From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 09:42:48 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 10:42:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jWZANmS+559Jjf7TrEVgA0GVwvsJMHP=8oQN8iq79vqA@mail.gmail.com>

I can't remember how to set environmental variables on Windows 8.1. Can
someone remind me?

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar  1 11:20:48 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 17:20:48 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jWZANmS+559Jjf7TrEVgA0GVwvsJMHP=8oQN8iq79vqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jWZANmS+559Jjf7TrEVgA0GVwvsJMHP=8oQN8iq79vqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1425230447884.88671@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Nothing has changed. Right-click Computer, select Properties, Select Advanced, click the last button.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 1. marts 2015 16:42
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables

I can't remember how to set environmental variables on Windows 8.1. Can
someone remind me?

--
Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 12:02:04 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 13:02:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables
In-Reply-To: <1425230447884.88671@cactus.dk>
References: <CAEPJO1jWZANmS+559Jjf7TrEVgA0GVwvsJMHP=8oQN8iq79vqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1425230447884.88671@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hR+ACS2BYEr69zY4tOR6iZP9M4OTgc6KtbvvvRLmAZAw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Gustav.

On another topic, seems like some weird stuff is going on in Denmark, well
at least according to the News feeds I pay attention to.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Nothing has changed. Right-click Computer, select Properties, Select
> Advanced, click the last button.
>
> /gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar  1 12:21:26 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 18:21:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hR+ACS2BYEr69zY4tOR6iZP9M4OTgc6KtbvvvRLmAZAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jWZANmS+559Jjf7TrEVgA0GVwvsJMHP=8oQN8iq79vqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1425230447884.88671@cactus.dk>,
	<CAEPJO1hR+ACS2BYEr69zY4tOR6iZP9M4OTgc6KtbvvvRLmAZAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1425234085717.58581@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Perhaps not weird compared to so many other happenings around the World, but unusual. But life goes on.

/gustav

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Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 1. marts 2015 19:02
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables

Thanks Gustav.

On another topic, seems like some weird stuff is going on in Denmark, well
at least according to the News feeds I pay attention to.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Nothing has changed. Right-click Computer, select Properties, Select
> Advanced, click the last button.
>
> /gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  1 14:19:53 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 13:19:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest version of Kodi (formerly known as XBMC)
In-Reply-To: <1425234085717.58581@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <850285301.12913742.1425241193737.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Here is a link to the new Kodi. It is one of the best (if not the best) media player and media hub. It runs as a native application for Android, Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, iOS, and Microsoft Windows (even 8.x...it has been tested on Windows 10 beta as well) based operating systems...it even has a Raspberry Pi 2 version (which can be attached to a TV as a full data source control hub). It also can recognizes most TV controllers and can even make any Smartphones and tablet work as TV/media controllers. It also has hundreds of add-ons giving all sorts of extra feature like recording, auto-searching, lyric acquisition, acquiring subtitles and a host of categories and services.  It can use either a desktop or webbased interface and can be managed locally or remotely. There is also documents in virtually every language describing the features and how to install them, on all supported hardware. If that is not enough, there is a very active forum available.

So if someone is interested in managing all their media, on all their hardware this might be a great way to enhance and consolidate everything:

http://kodi.tv

Jim

  


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 14:49:32 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 15:49:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables
In-Reply-To: <1425234085717.58581@cactus.dk>
References: <CAEPJO1jWZANmS+559Jjf7TrEVgA0GVwvsJMHP=8oQN8iq79vqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1425230447884.88671@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1hR+ACS2BYEr69zY4tOR6iZP9M4OTgc6KtbvvvRLmAZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1425234085717.58581@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gT2mPcqa8HxvzL5=-HVbN+f9OaYVXZW-ZC4AeDmEt+tg@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,

Relatively speaking, not weird at all, in Denmark. Far as I know, nobody
gets shot for speaking out against Putin.

/arthur

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Perhaps not weird compared to so many other happenings around the World,
> but unusual. But life goes on.
>
> /gustav

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 17:42:04 2015
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 18:42:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Environmental variables
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gT2mPcqa8HxvzL5=-HVbN+f9OaYVXZW-ZC4AeDmEt+tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jWZANmS+559Jjf7TrEVgA0GVwvsJMHP=8oQN8iq79vqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1425230447884.88671@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1hR+ACS2BYEr69zY4tOR6iZP9M4OTgc6KtbvvvRLmAZAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1425234085717.58581@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1gT2mPcqa8HxvzL5=-HVbN+f9OaYVXZW-ZC4AeDmEt+tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFexaSh5AN7mFxYk=i0hiwBH1nWFsb93SeoTLy5J34asw@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

We have OT for these kinds of discussions. Tech is definitely NOT the place.

Your friendly (for now ;) neighborhood listmaster.

Bryan
On Mar 1, 2015 3:50 PM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gustav,
>
> Relatively speaking, not weird at all, in Denmark. Far as I know, nobody
> gets shot for speaking out against Putin.
>
> /arthur
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > Perhaps not weird compared to so many other happenings around the World,
> > but unusual. But life goes on.
> >
> > /gustav
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 22:14:21 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 23:14:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest version of Kodi (formerly known as XBMC)
In-Reply-To: <850285301.12913742.1425241193737.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <850285301.12913742.1425241193737.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <54F3E39D.7060101@gmail.com>

I have played with this on one of my SBCs.  It runs fantastic on a quad 
core SOC (ARM) with 1 gb RAM.  Quite an amazing piece of work AFAIAC.

John W. Colby

On 3/1/2015 3:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Here is a link to the new Kodi. It is one of the best (if not the best) media player and media hub. It runs as a native application for Android, Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, iOS, and Microsoft Windows (even 8.x...it has been tested on Windows 10 beta as well) based operating systems...it even has a Raspberry Pi 2 version (which can be attached to a TV as a full data source control hub). It also can recognizes most TV controllers and can even make any Smartphones and tablet work as TV/media controllers. It also has hundreds of add-ons giving all sorts of extra feature like recording, auto-searching, lyric acquisition, acquiring subtitles and a host of categories and services.  It can use either a desktop or webbased interface and can be managed locally or remotely. There is also documents in virtually every language describing the features and how to install them, on all supported hardware. If that is not enough, there is a very active forum available.
>
> So if someone is interested in managing all their media, on all their hardware this might be a great way to enhance and consolidate everything:
>
> http://kodi.tv
>
> Jim
>
>    
>
> _______________________________________________
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>




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 17:04:26 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 18:04:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>

One of my laptops is experiencing the blue screen of death. I have no real
experience with this and was wondering if any of you are familiar with the
following site:

http://windowsanswers.net/articles/fix-blue-screen

I don't want to run something that might make things worse.

My first step is to download ccleaner and see if that remedies anything.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Susan H.

From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Mar  4 17:08:06 2015
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 23:08:06 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5A2785-CE14-48D3-9291-E750B26307F9@tydda.plus.com>

Hi Susan, which version of Windows is it running?


Jon

Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta)

> On 4 Mar 2015, at 23:04, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> One of my laptops is experiencing the blue screen of death. I have no real
> experience with this and was wondering if any of you are familiar with the
> following site:
> 
> http://windowsanswers.net/articles/fix-blue-screen
> 
> I don't want to run something that might make things worse.
> 
> My first step is to download ccleaner and see if that remedies anything.
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 17:09:24 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 18:09:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
In-Reply-To: <4C5A2785-CE14-48D3-9291-E750B26307F9@tydda.plus.com>
References: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5A2785-CE14-48D3-9291-E750B26307F9@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+d+cDFiUfS075Reaq662Tyk8wr5do=YPzNHviXGNYr4Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Windows 7.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Hi Susan, which version of Windows is it running?
>
>
> Jon
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta)
>
> > On 4 Mar 2015, at 23:04, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > One of my laptops is experiencing the blue screen of death. I have no
> real
> > experience with this and was wondering if any of you are familiar with
> the
> > following site:
> >
> > http://windowsanswers.net/articles/fix-blue-screen
> >
> > I don't want to run something that might make things worse.
> >
> > My first step is to download ccleaner and see if that remedies anything.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
> >
> > Susan H.
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar  4 17:09:51 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 15:09:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8215D69898F945C786B46B8360D06102@HAL9007>

Last time I got this was on my screamer machine which had been very stable.
Really upsetting.  I just don't want to spend time fooling around with my
PC.  Just work, dammit!

Don't know how I found it but there was a page somewhere that said it might
be the video driver.  I updated the video driver and it went away. 

>From your link "Cause: Pretty much the number one cause has to do with
drivers. "  so maybe check updating the drivers - or just reinstalling.

How about doing a system restore from a point before you got the BSD.  On
the list of Windows updates from when it started are there driver updates?

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death

One of my laptops is experiencing the blue screen of death. I have no real
experience with this and was wondering if any of you are familiar with the
following site:

http://windowsanswers.net/articles/fix-blue-screen

I don't want to run something that might make things worse.

My first step is to download ccleaner and see if that remedies anything.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Susan H.
_______________________________________________
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 17:21:06 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 18:21:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+c2JLPUiDkS=c-Bf7U2JfUb7tYV8h1NZRMZHCXMcZ2rEA@mail.gmail.com>

I tried a system restore -- didn't help.

Susan H.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Last time I got this was on my screamer machine which had been very stable.
> Really upsetting.  I just don't want to spend time fooling around with my
> PC.  Just work, dammit!
>
> Don't know how I found it but there was a page somewhere that said it might
> be the video driver.  I updated the video driver and it went away.
>
> From your link "Cause: Pretty much the number one cause has to do with
> drivers. "  so maybe check updating the drivers - or just reinstalling.
>
> How about doing a system restore from a point before you got the BSD.  On
> the list of Windows updates from when it started are there driver updates?
>
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 17:25:05 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:25:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
In-Reply-To: <8215D69898F945C786B46B8360D06102@HAL9007>
References: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8215D69898F945C786B46B8360D06102@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <54F79451.2080700@gmail.com>

 >>I just don't want to spend time fooling around with my PC. Just work, 
dammit!

LOL, I remember the day when all I wanted to do was spend time fooling 
around on my machine.

John W. Colby

On 3/4/2015 6:09 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Last time I got this was on my screamer machine which had been very stable.
> Really upsetting.  I just don't want to spend time fooling around with my
> PC.  Just work, dammit!
>
> Don't know how I found it but there was a page somewhere that said it might
> be the video driver.  I updated the video driver and it went away.
>
> >From your link "Cause: Pretty much the number one cause has to do with
> drivers. "  so maybe check updating the drivers - or just reinstalling.
>
> How about doing a system restore from a point before you got the BSD.  On
> the list of Windows updates from when it started are there driver updates?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
>
> One of my laptops is experiencing the blue screen of death. I have no real
> experience with this and was wondering if any of you are familiar with the
> following site:
>
> http://windowsanswers.net/articles/fix-blue-screen
>
> I don't want to run something that might make things worse.
>
> My first step is to download ccleaner and see if that remedies anything.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Wed Mar  4 18:10:52 2015
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 16:10:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4523B625ECE464C8A3C0D65A6077AD9@BPCS>

Susan,

You didn't mention the error code so I'm guessing that the code went away 
before you could read it. If that?s the case you can turn off the automatic 
restart feature so the error will stay on the screen

This URL tells you how to disable the auto start feature if you can boot, if 
not try  pushing F8 just prior to the splash screen and then select Advanced 
Boot Options and disable it there.


From: 
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/automatic-restart-windows-7.htm

1.
Click on the Start button and then on Control Panel.

Tip: In a hurry? Type system in the search box after clicking Start. Choose 
System under the Control Panel heading in the list of results and then skip 
to Step 4.

2.
Click on the System and Security link.

Note: If you're viewing the Small icons or Large icons view of Control 
Panel, you won't see this link. Simply double-click on the System icon and 
proceed to Step 4.

3.
Click on the System link.

4.
In the task pane on the left, click the Advanced system settings link.

5.
Locate the Startup and Recovery section near the bottom of the window and 
click on the Settings button.

6.
In the Startup and Recovery window, locate and uncheck the check box next to 
Automatically restart.

7.
Click OK in the Startup and Recovery window.

8.
Click OK in the System Properties window.

9.
You can now close the System window.

10.
>From now on, when a problem causes a BSOD or another major error that halts 
the system, Windows 7 will not force a reboot. You'll have to reboot 
manually when an error appears.


HTH

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death

One of my laptops is experiencing the blue screen of death. I have no real
experience with this and was wondering if any of you are familiar with the
following site:

http://windowsanswers.net/articles/fix-blue-screen

I don't want to run something that might make things worse.

My first step is to download ccleaner and see if that remedies anything.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Susan H.
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Mar  4 18:20:21 2015
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:20:21 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+ekQVWH6wmbBvR-9kh57qBQHZMghRO=uQhtoy+BgbzeNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d056da$2ad229e0$80767da0$@de>

Can't you go back to an earlier System restore point?

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Susan Harkins
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. M?rz 2015 00:04
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] blue screen of death

One of my laptops is experiencing the blue screen of death. I have no real
experience with this and was wondering if any of you are familiar with the
following site:

http://windowsanswers.net/articles/fix-blue-screen

I don't want to run something that might make things worse.

My first step is to download ccleaner and see if that remedies anything.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Susan H.
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 10:39:08 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:39:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart watches are sooo passe
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ie_sEjTujtsfxS2yZJM-iVh1Jji_+gKnzhCiYjQA3+Vg@mail.gmail.com>

The truly hip are into Smart Pocket-Watches
<http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/3/8140023/smart-pocket-watch-mwc-gadget>. I
want one!

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 13:57:55 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 14:57:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jToJwY+tAOEbqZyDxK2LBKLXARNrPox8Fad=Nvb8i+FQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know how to do basic "search for" queries inside Gmail, but now I'm
interested in a slightly more complex search. Specifically, Sender = xyz
and there is an attachment.

Can anyone tell me how to perform this search?

-- 
Arthur

From kathryn at bassett.net  Fri Mar  6 14:38:05 2015
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:38:05 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jToJwY+tAOEbqZyDxK2LBKLXARNrPox8Fad=Nvb8i+FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jToJwY+tAOEbqZyDxK2LBKLXARNrPox8Fad=Nvb8i+FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIRLog4hSnFAg2fKjMTsH9IBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

from:(abc at xyz.com) has:attachment

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/quickly-find-email-attachments-gmail has more
on specific types of attachements

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> I know how to do basic "search for" queries inside Gmail, but now I'm
> interested in a slightly more complex search. Specifically, Sender = xyz
and
> there is an attachment.
> Can anyone tell me how to perform this search?
> Arthur




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 14:55:33 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 15:55:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIRLog4hSnFAg2fKjMTsH9IBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jToJwY+tAOEbqZyDxK2LBKLXARNrPox8Fad=Nvb8i+FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIRLog4hSnFAg2fKjMTsH9IBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h5Pa5AsHSmheqGxRALQcOc4OeCe=ixBzP1OiRyQ0saog@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Kathryn. Looks like just what this doctor ordered. In my case, I
hae to visit about 5 years worth of stored Gmail messages that have
attachments, but actually I'm only interested in say the most recent dozen,
and thereby am freed to nuke all the rest Kewl. Thanks!

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:

> from:(abc at xyz.com) has:attachment
>
> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/quickly-find-email-attachments-gmail has more
> on specific types of attachements
>
> Kathryn

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar  9 08:19:27 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:19:27 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Microsoft_And_Google_Collaborate_On_A?=
 =?utf-8?q?ngular_2_Framework=2C_TypeScript_Language?=
Message-ID: <1425907167.134267321@f358.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: "Microsoft And Google Collaborate On Angular 2 Framework, TypeScript Language"

http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/05/microsoft-and-google-collaborate-on-typescript-hell-has-not-frozen-over-yet/


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar  9 08:23:17 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:23:17 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Microsoft=E2=80=99s_JavaScript_Engine?=
 =?utf-8?q?_Will_Soon_Support_Mozilla=E2=80=99s_Asm=2Ejs?=
Message-ID: <1425907397.57101251@f45.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: "Microsoft?s JavaScript Engine Will Soon Support Mozilla?s Asm.js":

http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/18/microsofts-javascript-engine-will-soon-support-mozillas-asm-js/


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  9 11:37:26 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:37:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The second largest group funded project
In-Reply-To: <850285301.12913742.1425241193737.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <2045482576.19490033.1425919046141.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

The Pebble watch is the second largest crowd funded project ever. The game StarCitizen with an estimated $74 million (Windows and Linux) is still the largest but The Pebble Watch is now second with a current estimated funding of $17 million and with 18 days left this pledge campaign and will most likely fill all its funding categories.

For those interested there are still some a number of pledge amounts at $179. I will be getting one. :-)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 00:47:58 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 23:47:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart watches are sooo passe
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ie_sEjTujtsfxS2yZJM-iVh1Jji_+gKnzhCiYjQA3+Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1060797299.20798986.1426052878740.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

That is too cute for words. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:39:08 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart watches are sooo passe

The truly hip are into Smart Pocket-Watches
<http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/3/8140023/smart-pocket-watch-mwc-gadget>. I
want one!

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 11:08:32 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:08:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft And Google Collaborate On Angular 2
 Framework, TypeScript Language
In-Reply-To: <1425907167.134267321@f358.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <553641958.21075138.1426090112326.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

It looks very interesting to say the least. Here is another article that had come to my attention some weeks ago and I have been looking through the various samples and demos.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/typescript/archive/2015/03/05/angular-2-0-built-on-typescript.aspx

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 6:19:27 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft And Google Collaborate On Angular 2 Framework, TypeScript Language

 Hi All --

FYI: "Microsoft And Google Collaborate On Angular 2 Framework, TypeScript Language"

http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/05/microsoft-and-google-collaborate-on-typescript-hell-has-not-frozen-over-yet/


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 11 11:15:43 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:15:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365
	With CORS Support
Message-ID: <00bc01d05c16$a024da30$e06e8e90$@winhaven.net>

Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365 With CORS Support - See
more at:
http://www.eweek.com/developer/microsoft-brings-javascript-developers-to-off
ice-365-with-cors-support.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EWK_NL_NV_20150
311_STR4L1&dni=223631309&rni=32889555#sthash.kdw9rzBU.dpuf


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 11 11:20:56 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:20:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart watches are sooo passe
In-Reply-To: <1060797299.20798986.1426052878740.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1ie_sEjTujtsfxS2yZJM-iVh1Jji_+gKnzhCiYjQA3+Vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1060797299.20798986.1426052878740.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00c101d05c17$5aedee10$10c9ca30$@winhaven.net>

I Like!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 12:48 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Smart watches are sooo passe

Hi Arthur:

That is too cute for words. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:39:08 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart watches are sooo passe

The truly hip are into Smart Pocket-Watches
<http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/3/8140023/smart-pocket-watch-mwc-gadget>. I
want one!

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 11 11:32:55 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:32:55 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365
 With CORS Support
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB09130A1EB380D4F09ED80C47CA190@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

That is really interesting.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 11. marts 2015 17:16
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365 With CORS Support
Prioritet: H?j

Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365 With CORS Support - See more at:
http://www.eweek.com/developer/microsoft-brings-javascript-developers-to-office-365-with-cors-support.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EWK_NL_NV_20150311_STR4L1&dni=223631309&rni=32889555#sthash.kdw9rzBU.dpuf 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 11:56:05 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:56:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Microsoft=E2=80=99s_JavaScript_Engine?=
 =?utf-8?q?_Will_Soon_Support_Mozilla=E2=80=99s_Asm=2Ejs?=
In-Reply-To: <1425907397.57101251@f45.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1633565334.21119089.1426092965942.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

Now that is very good news. This may make Google and Safari up their game. 

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 6:23:17 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft?s JavaScript Engine Will Soon Support Mozilla?s Asm.js

 Hi All --

FYI: "Microsoft?s JavaScript Engine Will Soon Support Mozilla?s Asm.js":

http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/18/microsofts-javascript-engine-will-soon-support-mozillas-asm-js/


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 15:39:51 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:39:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office
	365	With CORS Support
In-Reply-To: <00bc01d05c16$a024da30$e06e8e90$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1051621927.21316597.1426106391479.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

This is an excellent start...about time.

Jim 

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:15:43 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365	With CORS Support

Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365 With CORS Support - See
more at:
http://www.eweek.com/developer/microsoft-brings-javascript-developers-to-off
ice-365-with-cors-support.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EWK_NL_NV_20150
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 11 22:45:49 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 22:45:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office
	365	With CORS Support
In-Reply-To: <00bc01d05c16$a024da30$e06e8e90$@winhaven.net>
References: <00bc01d05c16$a024da30$e06e8e90$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <019801d05c77$08c31290$1a4937b0$@winhaven.net>

Looks promising. If only I had taken the Java road...

-----Original Message-----
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John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365
With CORS Support
Importance: High

Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365 With CORS Support - See
more at:
http://www.eweek.com/developer/microsoft-brings-javascript-developers-to-off
ice-365-with-cors-support.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EWK_NL_NV_20150
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 22:47:41 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 21:47:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?The_CIA_Campaign_to_Steal_Apple=E2=80=99s_Se?=
	=?utf-8?q?crets?=
In-Reply-To: <2045482576.19490033.1425919046141.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <822105831.21588045.1426132061387.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

The NSA has been so busy:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/10/ispy-cia-campaign-steal-apples-secrets

...Then not to be out done the British GCHQ  attempted to ban the TOR protocol and networks. What morons:

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/uk-briefing-tor-child-abuse-minor-role

The five eyes have been trying to ban unbreakable encryption which again is laughable as once the door is opening to the knowledge can never be closed. 
 
...and Kaspersky Labs have confirmed that the Stuxnet bug was written in the US by a government organization. Now everyone can download a copy of the code and it modules:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/03/11/1325248/new-evidence-strengthens-nsa-ties-to-equation-group-malware

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 22:48:44 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 21:48:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to
	Office	365	With CORS Support
In-Reply-To: <019801d05c77$08c31290$1a4937b0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1844998778.21588474.1426132124700.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

JavaScript and Java are quiet different...you will find JS a lot easier.

Jim

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From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:45:49 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office	365	With CORS Support

Looks promising. If only I had taken the Java road...

-----Original Message-----
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John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365
With CORS Support
Importance: High

Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365 With CORS Support - See
more at:
http://www.eweek.com/developer/microsoft-brings-javascript-developers-to-off
ice-365-with-cors-support.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EWK_NL_NV_20150
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 22:53:37 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 21:53:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers
	to	Office	365	With CORS Support
In-Reply-To: <1844998778.21588474.1426132124700.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1336878873.21589967.1426132417967.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

PS: Here is an interesting article about the differences, strengths and weaknesses between Java and JavaScript:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2883328/java/java-vs-nodejs-an-epic-battle-for-developer-mindshare.html

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to	Office	365	With CORS Support

JavaScript and Java are quiet different...you will find JS a lot easier.

Jim

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From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:45:49 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office	365	With CORS Support

Looks promising. If only I had taken the Java road...

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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:16 AM
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Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365
With CORS Support
Importance: High

Microsoft Brings JavaScript Developers to Office 365 With CORS Support - See
more at:
http://www.eweek.com/developer/microsoft-brings-javascript-developers-to-off
ice-365-with-cors-support.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EWK_NL_NV_20150
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Mar 12 04:35:09 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:35:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Great little tip!
Message-ID: <c4aa7300bda344d79f601e8e73f5440f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Hi all

I've just found this on Spiceworks<http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/107155-how-to-bypass-browser-lockout-on-a-malware-infected-pc-using-html-help?utm_function=use&utm_channel=swemail&utm_source=spotlight&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=spotlight&utm_content=150312&utme=body+article+cta> (which is a REALLY great site for IT admins) - it's how to get online with a PC that's full of malware in order to get it fixed:

Basically, you open Start > Run, and type "hh h". This opens HTML help, which is a completely separate entity of a web browser to the one that's installed on the PC. From there, you click on the question mark in the top left corner, and choose "Jump to URL". Enter your url (most likely to be www.malwarebytes.org<http://www.malwarebytes.org>) and you can get to the site and download the tools to clean the PC up.


Jon

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 12 09:18:40 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:18:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Great little tip!
In-Reply-To: <c4aa7300bda344d79f601e8e73f5440f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <c4aa7300bda344d79f601e8e73f5440f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <5501A040.6030709@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Jon!  That is a great tip.  I know I will have occasion to 
use it.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2015 5:35 AM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I've just found this on Spiceworks<http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/107155-how-to-bypass-browser-lockout-on-a-malware-infected-pc-using-html-help?utm_function=use&utm_channel=swemail&utm_source=spotlight&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=spotlight&utm_content=150312&utme=body+article+cta> (which is a REALLY great site for IT admins) - it's how to get online with a PC that's full of malware in order to get it fixed:
>
> Basically, you open Start > Run, and type "hh h". This opens HTML help, which is a completely separate entity of a web browser to the one that's installed on the PC. From there, you click on the question mark in the top left corner, and choose "Jump to URL". Enter your url (most likely to be www.malwarebytes.org<http://www.malwarebytes.org>) and you can get to the site and download the tools to clean the PC up.
>
>
> Jon
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 09:41:23 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:41:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
Message-ID: <5501A593.70105@gmail.com>

Has anyone ever done a kickstarter project?  If so email me off line. Or 
discuss general details here of how it works.

-- 
John W. Colby


From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Thu Mar 12 10:16:13 2015
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:16:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Great little tip!
In-Reply-To: <c4aa7300bda344d79f601e8e73f5440f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <c4aa7300bda344d79f601e8e73f5440f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <16DC3BCDCBC4493AADEEA4F0DBDBADBE@BPCS>

Jon,

That is slick.

Thanks


Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:35 AM
To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Great little tip!

Hi all

I've just found this on 
Spiceworks<http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/107155-how-to-bypass-browser-lockout-on-a-malware-infected-pc-using-html-help?utm_function=use&utm_channel=swemail&utm_source=spotlight&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=spotlight&utm_content=150312&utme=body+article+cta> 
(which is a REALLY great site for IT admins) - it's how to get online with a 
PC that's full of malware in order to get it fixed:

Basically, you open Start > Run, and type "hh h". This opens HTML help, 
which is a completely separate entity of a web browser to the one that's 
installed on the PC. From there, you click on the question mark in the top 
left corner, and choose "Jump to URL". Enter your url (most likely to be 
www.malwarebytes.org<http://www.malwarebytes.org>) and you can get to the 
site and download the tools to clean the PC up.


Jon

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 12 11:25:46 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:25:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Great little tip!
In-Reply-To: <c4aa7300bda344d79f601e8e73f5440f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <1358638967.21962897.1426177546826.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Jon:

An excellent tip. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:35:09 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Great little tip!

Hi all

I've just found this on Spiceworks<http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/107155-how-to-bypass-browser-lockout-on-a-malware-infected-pc-using-html-help?utm_function=use&utm_channel=swemail&utm_source=spotlight&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=spotlight&utm_content=150312&utme=body+article+cta> (which is a REALLY great site for IT admins) - it's how to get online with a PC that's full of malware in order to get it fixed:

Basically, you open Start > Run, and type "hh h". This opens HTML help, which is a completely separate entity of a web browser to the one that's installed on the PC. From there, you click on the question mark in the top left corner, and choose "Jump to URL". Enter your url (most likely to be www.malwarebytes.org<http://www.malwarebytes.org>) and you can get to the site and download the tools to clean the PC up.


Jon

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 12 11:28:19 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:28:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <5501A593.70105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1949791035.21965978.1426177699703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Sounds exciting...so maybe you can give us a hint of what type of project you are thinking of?

Sorry, no experience other than contributing occasionally.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:41:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?

Has anyone ever done a kickstarter project?  If so email me off line. Or 
discuss general details here of how it works.

-- 
John W. Colby

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 12 13:09:31 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 13:09:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Killer USB can make your computer explode
Message-ID: <029501d05cef$b05e8cf0$111ba6d0$@winhaven.net>

Well possibly anyway. For right now maybe melt it down.

http://thehackernews.com/2015/03/killer-usb-explode-computer.html

 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 12 13:29:50 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:29:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Killer USB can make your computer explode
In-Reply-To: <029501d05cef$b05e8cf0$111ba6d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1370918997.22086605.1426184990372.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I guess that is why USB drives are also called Flash drives. ;-)

Jim 

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:09:31 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Killer USB can make your computer explode

Well possibly anyway. For right now maybe melt it down.

http://thehackernews.com/2015/03/killer-usb-explode-computer.html

 

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 12 14:00:26 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 14:00:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Killer USB can make your computer explode
In-Reply-To: <1370918997.22086605.1426184990372.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <029501d05cef$b05e8cf0$111ba6d0$@winhaven.net>
	<1370918997.22086605.1426184990372.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <02b601d05cf6$cd2ef020$678cd060$@winhaven.net>

Ha!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Killer USB can make your computer explode

Hi John:

I guess that is why USB drives are also called Flash drives. ;-)

Jim 

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:09:31 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Killer USB can make your computer explode

Well possibly anyway. For right now maybe melt it down.

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 14:08:43 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:08:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <1949791035.21965978.1426177699703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1949791035.21965978.1426177699703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <5501E43B.4040604@gmail.com>

Visible spectrum analysis of lights (LEDs, florescent etc) is widely 
talked about (and done) in the aquarium community. Basically shine a 
light of interest on a spectrum analyzer and measure the strength of the 
light at various frequencies.  A kickstarter project built an 
inexpensive analyzer using a diffraction grid plastic, a shaped (dark) 
box and a cell phone camera.  Use the cell phone to run software to 
display (and graph) the resulting spectrum.

http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/spectrometer

Measuring various properties of aquarium water (inexpensively) uses 
measured vials of water (5ml), adding various "number of drops" of one 
or more titrating liquids. You then compare the resulting liquid color 
to a color card to determine the amount of the substance being 
measured.  You can buy kits which measure PH (High and low), Amonia, 
Nitrite and Nitrate.  The process involves taking 4 water samples. then 
dropping the correct number of drops of various things into each sample, 
comparing the resulting colors to an included card.

For anyone who has actually done this... it is an inexact science to say 
the least.  The color cards contain shades which are difficult 
(impossible) to really accurately gauge when holding the tube against 
the card.  As an example, the Amonia test is really yellow turning to 
green, but it is basically impossible to tell which of three shades your 
tube matches.  In this example, any three adjacent shades are close 
enough together (to the eye) that "who knows".  And yet for example, one 
is 1 PPM (borderline bad), the next is 2 PPM (bad) the next is 4 PPM (do 
a water change NOW, do not stop for dinner).

So all you really get is a range.  Unfortunately one end of that range 
is non-toxic, the other is toxic as hell.

So...

Take the tubes of water, beam light through them and measure the 
resulting color intensity with a spectrum analyzer using a camera and 
software.  If the light intensity is known and stable (a white LED), the 
sample is placed in a dark chamber so only light from the LED can pass 
through the sample (and not leak around the sample), the distance from 
the sample to the diffraction box is stable, and the distance from the 
diffraction grid to the camera is stable (and doesn't leak light) then 
you should be able to accurately and reliably measure intensity and 
color of light through the sample.

Reliable analysis.

If you can automate the process, you get automated reliable analysis.  
Twice a day (week, month) measurement of all measurable parameters.  
Throw in water temp.  Throw in logging.  Throw in Wifi and a browser 
interface.  Heck, throw in automated dosing of chemicals to correct the 
issue.

The first part (measuring the color) is relatively simple. Automation is 
not.

I am ordering the USB Desktop analyzer and will then build a little box 
to hold the sample vials such that light is forced through the vials 
(not around) and a powerful white LED as a light source.  I will then 
test the measuring concept with this widget.  If it works then I can 
reliably measure my own aquarium water.

If it works, that is where kickstarter would come in, commercializing 
this.  There is a pretty large community out there of folks doing 
aquariums, even high end aquariums.  Lots of people, lots of money.  
 From what I can tell, and I have done a lot of reading, everyone just 
uses the liquid tests.  So selling into a high end market where people 
already use and are comfortable with these tests, but providing really 
accurate measuring, logging etc seems like a viable business.

John W. Colby

On 3/12/2015 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Sounds exciting...so maybe you can give us a hint of what type of project you are thinking of?
>
> Sorry, no experience other than contributing occasionally.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:41:23 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
>
> Has anyone ever done a kickstarter project?  If so email me off line. Or
> discuss general details here of how it works.
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 13 02:07:33 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:07:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <5501E43B.4040604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <733867228.22531199.1426230453473.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

This looks like a Kickstarter project that has legs. It is hardly as smooth a sales video as many of the most popular supported products but it would seem that a good video production individual could put a real professional presentation together.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:08:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?

Visible spectrum analysis of lights (LEDs, florescent etc) is widely 
talked about (and done) in the aquarium community. Basically shine a 
light of interest on a spectrum analyzer and measure the strength of the 
light at various frequencies.  A kickstarter project built an 
inexpensive analyzer using a diffraction grid plastic, a shaped (dark) 
box and a cell phone camera.  Use the cell phone to run software to 
display (and graph) the resulting spectrum.

http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/spectrometer

Measuring various properties of aquarium water (inexpensively) uses 
measured vials of water (5ml), adding various "number of drops" of one 
or more titrating liquids. You then compare the resulting liquid color 
to a color card to determine the amount of the substance being 
measured.  You can buy kits which measure PH (High and low), Amonia, 
Nitrite and Nitrate.  The process involves taking 4 water samples. then 
dropping the correct number of drops of various things into each sample, 
comparing the resulting colors to an included card.

For anyone who has actually done this... it is an inexact science to say 
the least.  The color cards contain shades which are difficult 
(impossible) to really accurately gauge when holding the tube against 
the card.  As an example, the Amonia test is really yellow turning to 
green, but it is basically impossible to tell which of three shades your 
tube matches.  In this example, any three adjacent shades are close 
enough together (to the eye) that "who knows".  And yet for example, one 
is 1 PPM (borderline bad), the next is 2 PPM (bad) the next is 4 PPM (do 
a water change NOW, do not stop for dinner).

So all you really get is a range.  Unfortunately one end of that range 
is non-toxic, the other is toxic as hell.

So...

Take the tubes of water, beam light through them and measure the 
resulting color intensity with a spectrum analyzer using a camera and 
software.  If the light intensity is known and stable (a white LED), the 
sample is placed in a dark chamber so only light from the LED can pass 
through the sample (and not leak around the sample), the distance from 
the sample to the diffraction box is stable, and the distance from the 
diffraction grid to the camera is stable (and doesn't leak light) then 
you should be able to accurately and reliably measure intensity and 
color of light through the sample.

Reliable analysis.

If you can automate the process, you get automated reliable analysis.  
Twice a day (week, month) measurement of all measurable parameters.  
Throw in water temp.  Throw in logging.  Throw in Wifi and a browser 
interface.  Heck, throw in automated dosing of chemicals to correct the 
issue.

The first part (measuring the color) is relatively simple. Automation is 
not.

I am ordering the USB Desktop analyzer and will then build a little box 
to hold the sample vials such that light is forced through the vials 
(not around) and a powerful white LED as a light source.  I will then 
test the measuring concept with this widget.  If it works then I can 
reliably measure my own aquarium water.

If it works, that is where kickstarter would come in, commercializing 
this.  There is a pretty large community out there of folks doing 
aquariums, even high end aquariums.  Lots of people, lots of money.  
 From what I can tell, and I have done a lot of reading, everyone just 
uses the liquid tests.  So selling into a high end market where people 
already use and are comfortable with these tests, but providing really 
accurate measuring, logging etc seems like a viable business.

John W. Colby

On 3/12/2015 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Sounds exciting...so maybe you can give us a hint of what type of project you are thinking of?
>
> Sorry, no experience other than contributing occasionally.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:41:23 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
>
> Has anyone ever done a kickstarter project?  If so email me off line. Or
> discuss general details here of how it works.
>

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 06:29:08 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 07:29:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <733867228.22531199.1426230453473.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <733867228.22531199.1426230453473.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <5502CA04.6020209@gmail.com>

The spectrum analyzer is on the way. I will likely be joining one of 
those "maker space" things, though there are none local so it will be a 
drive to get there.  That will give me access to 3D printers and such.  
I need to do a good prototype and do some extensive testing.  There is a 
lot of absorption spectrometry going on now that this inexpensive widget 
is available.

It "feels" like this should work.  It is something that I personally 
want and would just pay for if it already existed.

I have in fact found a company doing something similar, though they only 
test for hardness and Ammonia, not PH, Nitrate or Nitrite. They do cover 
water temp. logging etc.  Slickly packaged and a slick web page. Lots of 
add-ons and consumables to drive the price up. They also do what appears 
to be a submersible camera probe (extra cost add-on) to do light 
analysis at the bottom of the aquarium.

All of which gives me hope that the idea does in fact have legs.  I have 
the programming chops to do computer analysis and automation.

One way or the other it will be a fun project.

John W. Colby

On 3/13/2015 3:07 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> This looks like a Kickstarter project that has legs. It is hardly as smooth a sales video as many of the most popular supported products but it would seem that a good video production individual could put a real professional presentation together.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:08:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
>
> Visible spectrum analysis of lights (LEDs, florescent etc) is widely
> talked about (and done) in the aquarium community. Basically shine a
> light of interest on a spectrum analyzer and measure the strength of the
> light at various frequencies.  A kickstarter project built an
> inexpensive analyzer using a diffraction grid plastic, a shaped (dark)
> box and a cell phone camera.  Use the cell phone to run software to
> display (and graph) the resulting spectrum.
>
> http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/spectrometer
>
> Measuring various properties of aquarium water (inexpensively) uses
> measured vials of water (5ml), adding various "number of drops" of one
> or more titrating liquids. You then compare the resulting liquid color
> to a color card to determine the amount of the substance being
> measured.  You can buy kits which measure PH (High and low), Amonia,
> Nitrite and Nitrate.  The process involves taking 4 water samples. then
> dropping the correct number of drops of various things into each sample,
> comparing the resulting colors to an included card.
>
> For anyone who has actually done this... it is an inexact science to say
> the least.  The color cards contain shades which are difficult
> (impossible) to really accurately gauge when holding the tube against
> the card.  As an example, the Amonia test is really yellow turning to
> green, but it is basically impossible to tell which of three shades your
> tube matches.  In this example, any three adjacent shades are close
> enough together (to the eye) that "who knows".  And yet for example, one
> is 1 PPM (borderline bad), the next is 2 PPM (bad) the next is 4 PPM (do
> a water change NOW, do not stop for dinner).
>
> So all you really get is a range.  Unfortunately one end of that range
> is non-toxic, the other is toxic as hell.
>
> So...
>
> Take the tubes of water, beam light through them and measure the
> resulting color intensity with a spectrum analyzer using a camera and
> software.  If the light intensity is known and stable (a white LED), the
> sample is placed in a dark chamber so only light from the LED can pass
> through the sample (and not leak around the sample), the distance from
> the sample to the diffraction box is stable, and the distance from the
> diffraction grid to the camera is stable (and doesn't leak light) then
> you should be able to accurately and reliably measure intensity and
> color of light through the sample.
>
> Reliable analysis.
>
> If you can automate the process, you get automated reliable analysis.
> Twice a day (week, month) measurement of all measurable parameters.
> Throw in water temp.  Throw in logging.  Throw in Wifi and a browser
> interface.  Heck, throw in automated dosing of chemicals to correct the
> issue.
>
> The first part (measuring the color) is relatively simple. Automation is
> not.
>
> I am ordering the USB Desktop analyzer and will then build a little box
> to hold the sample vials such that light is forced through the vials
> (not around) and a powerful white LED as a light source.  I will then
> test the measuring concept with this widget.  If it works then I can
> reliably measure my own aquarium water.
>
> If it works, that is where kickstarter would come in, commercializing
> this.  There is a pretty large community out there of folks doing
> aquariums, even high end aquariums.  Lots of people, lots of money.
>   From what I can tell, and I have done a lot of reading, everyone just
> uses the liquid tests.  So selling into a high end market where people
> already use and are comfortable with these tests, but providing really
> accurate measuring, logging etc seems like a viable business.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> On 3/12/2015 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Sounds exciting...so maybe you can give us a hint of what type of project you are thinking of?
>>
>> Sorry, no experience other than contributing occasionally.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>> To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:41:23 AM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
>>
>> Has anyone ever done a kickstarter project?  If so email me off line. Or
>> discuss general details here of how it works.
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 13 09:29:19 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:29:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <5501E43B.4040604@gmail.com>
References: <1949791035.21965978.1426177699703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<5501E43B.4040604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5502F43F.30500@torchlake.com>

JWC,

Could this technique be expanded to assist in water sampling analysis 
for lakes and streams?  We do periodic sampling of our waters here, for 
Phosphorous, Nitrite:Nitrate, dissolved Oxygen, pH, temperature, E. 
coli, phytoplankton, and some other stuff.  Our fieldwork plans always 
include designating who will get the samples to the lab within the 
required time parameters, which means that sampling over a weekend is 
problematic because the labs are not open.  Finding a solution to that 
issue with an accurate light spectrum analytical tool would be very 
welcome.  Thoughts?

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2015 3:08 PM, John W. Colby wrote:
> Visible spectrum analysis of lights (LEDs, florescent etc) is widely 
> talked about (and done) in the aquarium community. Basically shine a 
> light of interest on a spectrum analyzer and measure the strength of 
> the light at various frequencies.  A kickstarter project built an 
> inexpensive analyzer using a diffraction grid plastic, a shaped (dark) 
> box and a cell phone camera.  Use the cell phone to run software to 
> display (and graph) the resulting spectrum.
>
> http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/spectrometer
>
> Measuring various properties of aquarium water (inexpensively) uses 
> measured vials of water (5ml), adding various "number of drops" of one 
> or more titrating liquids. You then compare the resulting liquid color 
> to a color card to determine the amount of the substance being 
> measured.  You can buy kits which measure PH (High and low), Amonia, 
> Nitrite and Nitrate.  The process involves taking 4 water samples. 
> then dropping the correct number of drops of various things into each 
> sample, comparing the resulting colors to an included card.
>
> For anyone who has actually done this... it is an inexact science to 
> say the least.  The color cards contain shades which are difficult 
> (impossible) to really accurately gauge when holding the tube against 
> the card.  As an example, the Amonia test is really yellow turning to 
> green, but it is basically impossible to tell which of three shades 
> your tube matches.  In this example, any three adjacent shades are 
> close enough together (to the eye) that "who knows".  And yet for 
> example, one is 1 PPM (borderline bad), the next is 2 PPM (bad) the 
> next is 4 PPM (do a water change NOW, do not stop for dinner).
>
> So all you really get is a range.  Unfortunately one end of that range 
> is non-toxic, the other is toxic as hell.
>
> So...
>
> Take the tubes of water, beam light through them and measure the 
> resulting color intensity with a spectrum analyzer using a camera and 
> software.  If the light intensity is known and stable (a white LED), 
> the sample is placed in a dark chamber so only light from the LED can 
> pass through the sample (and not leak around the sample), the distance 
> from the sample to the diffraction box is stable, and the distance 
> from the diffraction grid to the camera is stable (and doesn't leak 
> light) then you should be able to accurately and reliably measure 
> intensity and color of light through the sample.
>
> Reliable analysis.
>
> If you can automate the process, you get automated reliable analysis.  
> Twice a day (week, month) measurement of all measurable parameters.  
> Throw in water temp.  Throw in logging.  Throw in Wifi and a browser 
> interface.  Heck, throw in automated dosing of chemicals to correct 
> the issue.
>
> The first part (measuring the color) is relatively simple. Automation 
> is not.
>
> I am ordering the USB Desktop analyzer and will then build a little 
> box to hold the sample vials such that light is forced through the 
> vials (not around) and a powerful white LED as a light source.  I will 
> then test the measuring concept with this widget. If it works then I 
> can reliably measure my own aquarium water.
>
> If it works, that is where kickstarter would come in, commercializing 
> this.  There is a pretty large community out there of folks doing 
> aquariums, even high end aquariums.  Lots of people, lots of money.  
> From what I can tell, and I have done a lot of reading, everyone just 
> uses the liquid tests.  So selling into a high end market where people 
> already use and are comfortable with these tests, but providing really 
> accurate measuring, logging etc seems like a viable business.
>
> John W. Colby
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 12:10:35 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:10:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <5502F43F.30500@torchlake.com>
References: <1949791035.21965978.1426177699703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>	<5501E43B.4040604@gmail.com>
	<5502F43F.30500@torchlake.com>
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A couple of thoughts.

First, a lab analysis is probably much more rigorous and precise than 
anything that a device like this could provide.  Although maybe not.

Second, many of the things that you mention are probably not 
quantifiable using spectrum analysis.  Things like dissolved O2, E. coli 
etc.  Not that those things couldn't be analyzed in some other manner.

Third, there is an entire web site dedicated to this subject, including 
analysis of environmental issues.

http://publiclab.org/

I would definitely advise going there to learn more.

Fourth, emergency analysis of specific things might fit very well to a 
low cost portable analyzer.  Emergencies often trump absolute precision, 
where it is important to get immediate results, even if they are less 
than optimal.

I will be playing with this technology over the next few weeks, trying 
to discover how well it works, how reliable it can be etc.  I am 
personally unhappy with the results I get with the chemical analysis 
tool kits for aquarium water (and pool water).  It is just darned 
difficult to really decide what I am seeing.  I have high hopes that 
having a spectrum analysis and a computer will enable me to get more 
"hard facts" rather than "opinion".  The technology is not very 
expensive, assuming that I can make it work.

There are a lot of ends to tie up however.  How to calibrate the system 
against the various solutions / color scales.  How to physically isolate 
the light source, specimen and sensor to avoid light pollution.  And 
assuming that those problems can be solved, how to take it further into 
automating the preparation of water samples etc.

I think all of that is solvable, but it might need money to pay for 
stuff like calibration samples, cad / design / manufacturing of the 
machine and so forth.  That is where the KickStarter comes in.

On a different but related note, I am searching for MakerSpaces close to 
home.  The closest to me are these:

http://www.forgegreensboro.org/
http://hackerspacecharlotte.org/about-hsc/

So maybe I have to drag my community out of the dark (furniture 
industry) ages and start one myself.  My area is trying to bootstrap 
itself into technology.  A MakerSpace would help that a lot.

John W. Colby

On 3/13/2015 10:29 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> JWC,
>
> Could this technique be expanded to assist in water sampling analysis 
> for lakes and streams?  We do periodic sampling of our waters here, 
> for Phosphorous, Nitrite:Nitrate, dissolved Oxygen, pH, temperature, 
> E. coli, phytoplankton, and some other stuff. Our fieldwork plans 
> always include designating who will get the samples to the lab within 
> the required time parameters, which means that sampling over a weekend 
> is problematic because the labs are not open.  Finding a solution to 
> that issue with an accurate light spectrum analytical tool would be 
> very welcome.  Thoughts?
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/12/2015 3:08 PM, John W. Colby wrote:
>> Visible spectrum analysis of lights (LEDs, florescent etc) is widely 
>> talked about (and done) in the aquarium community. Basically shine a 
>> light of interest on a spectrum analyzer and measure the strength of 
>> the light at various frequencies.  A kickstarter project built an 
>> inexpensive analyzer using a diffraction grid plastic, a shaped 
>> (dark) box and a cell phone camera.  Use the cell phone to run 
>> software to display (and graph) the resulting spectrum.
>>
>> http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/spectrometer
>>
>> Measuring various properties of aquarium water (inexpensively) uses 
>> measured vials of water (5ml), adding various "number of drops" of 
>> one or more titrating liquids. You then compare the resulting liquid 
>> color to a color card to determine the amount of the substance being 
>> measured.  You can buy kits which measure PH (High and low), Amonia, 
>> Nitrite and Nitrate.  The process involves taking 4 water samples. 
>> then dropping the correct number of drops of various things into each 
>> sample, comparing the resulting colors to an included card.
>>
>> For anyone who has actually done this... it is an inexact science to 
>> say the least.  The color cards contain shades which are difficult 
>> (impossible) to really accurately gauge when holding the tube against 
>> the card.  As an example, the Amonia test is really yellow turning to 
>> green, but it is basically impossible to tell which of three shades 
>> your tube matches.  In this example, any three adjacent shades are 
>> close enough together (to the eye) that "who knows".  And yet for 
>> example, one is 1 PPM (borderline bad), the next is 2 PPM (bad) the 
>> next is 4 PPM (do a water change NOW, do not stop for dinner).
>>
>> So all you really get is a range.  Unfortunately one end of that 
>> range is non-toxic, the other is toxic as hell.
>>
>> So...
>>
>> Take the tubes of water, beam light through them and measure the 
>> resulting color intensity with a spectrum analyzer using a camera and 
>> software.  If the light intensity is known and stable (a white LED), 
>> the sample is placed in a dark chamber so only light from the LED can 
>> pass through the sample (and not leak around the sample), the 
>> distance from the sample to the diffraction box is stable, and the 
>> distance from the diffraction grid to the camera is stable (and 
>> doesn't leak light) then you should be able to accurately and 
>> reliably measure intensity and color of light through the sample.
>>
>> Reliable analysis.
>>
>> If you can automate the process, you get automated reliable 
>> analysis.  Twice a day (week, month) measurement of all measurable 
>> parameters.  Throw in water temp.  Throw in logging. Throw in Wifi 
>> and a browser interface.  Heck, throw in automated dosing of 
>> chemicals to correct the issue.
>>
>> The first part (measuring the color) is relatively simple. Automation 
>> is not.
>>
>> I am ordering the USB Desktop analyzer and will then build a little 
>> box to hold the sample vials such that light is forced through the 
>> vials (not around) and a powerful white LED as a light source.  I 
>> will then test the measuring concept with this widget. If it works 
>> then I can reliably measure my own aquarium water.
>>
>> If it works, that is where kickstarter would come in, commercializing 
>> this.  There is a pretty large community out there of folks doing 
>> aquariums, even high end aquariums.  Lots of people, lots of money.  
>> From what I can tell, and I have done a lot of reading, everyone just 
>> uses the liquid tests.  So selling into a high end market where 
>> people already use and are comfortable with these tests, but 
>> providing really accurate measuring, logging etc seems like a viable 
>> business.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 13 13:41:28 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:41:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <5502CA04.6020209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1627499776.22953308.1426272088762.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

It does sound like a fun project for sure. Doing electronics is not my strong suit but if it works it will sure be useful. (I still have a soil testing kit...I wonder if this new product could replace it?)

Aside: Maker labs are all the rage out here...There one at the local college which is shared by the university, two private ones that anyone can become a member of and I have a friend that has virtually every piece of equipment (he even has a full lath that can cut hierarchical gears (used in his home made electric car), a 3D computerized boring machine and a medium size 3D printer that came in a kit) and has rented out his facilities for various projects. My friend built a new battery for my lawn mower and it has been running for 5 or 6 years...(he estimates it will recharge up to 15 years and maybe more). My lawn mower is one of the articles in his next monthly news letter.  

Please keep me posted on your progress.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:29:08 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?

The spectrum analyzer is on the way. I will likely be joining one of 
those "maker space" things, though there are none local so it will be a 
drive to get there.  That will give me access to 3D printers and such.  
I need to do a good prototype and do some extensive testing.  There is a 
lot of absorption spectrometry going on now that this inexpensive widget 
is available.

It "feels" like this should work.  It is something that I personally 
want and would just pay for if it already existed.

I have in fact found a company doing something similar, though they only 
test for hardness and Ammonia, not PH, Nitrate or Nitrite. They do cover 
water temp. logging etc.  Slickly packaged and a slick web page. Lots of 
add-ons and consumables to drive the price up. They also do what appears 
to be a submersible camera probe (extra cost add-on) to do light 
analysis at the bottom of the aquarium.

All of which gives me hope that the idea does in fact have legs.  I have 
the programming chops to do computer analysis and automation.

One way or the other it will be a fun project.

John W. Colby

On 3/13/2015 3:07 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> This looks like a Kickstarter project that has legs. It is hardly as smooth a sales video as many of the most popular supported products but it would seem that a good video production individual could put a real professional presentation together.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:08:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
>
> Visible spectrum analysis of lights (LEDs, florescent etc) is widely
> talked about (and done) in the aquarium community. Basically shine a
> light of interest on a spectrum analyzer and measure the strength of the
> light at various frequencies.  A kickstarter project built an
> inexpensive analyzer using a diffraction grid plastic, a shaped (dark)
> box and a cell phone camera.  Use the cell phone to run software to
> display (and graph) the resulting spectrum.
>
> http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/spectrometer
>
> Measuring various properties of aquarium water (inexpensively) uses
> measured vials of water (5ml), adding various "number of drops" of one
> or more titrating liquids. You then compare the resulting liquid color
> to a color card to determine the amount of the substance being
> measured.  You can buy kits which measure PH (High and low), Amonia,
> Nitrite and Nitrate.  The process involves taking 4 water samples. then
> dropping the correct number of drops of various things into each sample,
> comparing the resulting colors to an included card.
>
> For anyone who has actually done this... it is an inexact science to say
> the least.  The color cards contain shades which are difficult
> (impossible) to really accurately gauge when holding the tube against
> the card.  As an example, the Amonia test is really yellow turning to
> green, but it is basically impossible to tell which of three shades your
> tube matches.  In this example, any three adjacent shades are close
> enough together (to the eye) that "who knows".  And yet for example, one
> is 1 PPM (borderline bad), the next is 2 PPM (bad) the next is 4 PPM (do
> a water change NOW, do not stop for dinner).
>
> So all you really get is a range.  Unfortunately one end of that range
> is non-toxic, the other is toxic as hell.
>
> So...
>
> Take the tubes of water, beam light through them and measure the
> resulting color intensity with a spectrum analyzer using a camera and
> software.  If the light intensity is known and stable (a white LED), the
> sample is placed in a dark chamber so only light from the LED can pass
> through the sample (and not leak around the sample), the distance from
> the sample to the diffraction box is stable, and the distance from the
> diffraction grid to the camera is stable (and doesn't leak light) then
> you should be able to accurately and reliably measure intensity and
> color of light through the sample.
>
> Reliable analysis.
>
> If you can automate the process, you get automated reliable analysis.
> Twice a day (week, month) measurement of all measurable parameters.
> Throw in water temp.  Throw in logging.  Throw in Wifi and a browser
> interface.  Heck, throw in automated dosing of chemicals to correct the
> issue.
>
> The first part (measuring the color) is relatively simple. Automation is
> not.
>
> I am ordering the USB Desktop analyzer and will then build a little box
> to hold the sample vials such that light is forced through the vials
> (not around) and a powerful white LED as a light source.  I will then
> test the measuring concept with this widget.  If it works then I can
> reliably measure my own aquarium water.
>
> If it works, that is where kickstarter would come in, commercializing
> this.  There is a pretty large community out there of folks doing
> aquariums, even high end aquariums.  Lots of people, lots of money.
>   From what I can tell, and I have done a lot of reading, everyone just
> uses the liquid tests.  So selling into a high end market where people
> already use and are comfortable with these tests, but providing really
> accurate measuring, logging etc seems like a viable business.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> On 3/12/2015 12:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Sounds exciting...so maybe you can give us a hint of what type of project you are thinking of?
>>
>> Sorry, no experience other than contributing occasionally.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>> To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:41:23 AM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
>>
>> Has anyone ever done a kickstarter project?  If so email me off line. Or
>> discuss general details here of how it works.
>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 14:09:17 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:09:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <1627499776.22953308.1426272088762.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1627499776.22953308.1426272088762.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <550335DD.1070305@gmail.com>

I got my start in electronics back in the 70s.  By '76 I had built my 
first ucomputer with a cassete drive for storage and a dumb terminal for 
video.  In 1982 I built my own SBC from a kit - an 80186 with 512k ram 
and a dual 8" floppy running CPM86.

In the mid 90s I was hired to build a bill paying machine down in 
Mexico, using a PC running Windows and interfacing to a bar code scanner 
for the bill data, bill acceptor and coin acceptor and a dot matrix 
printer printing on rolls of paper for the receipt.  I basically did the 
entire design, from finding and buying the pieces and parts  to writing 
the database (in Access 2.0).

After that (same company) I built a debit card vending machine which ran 
on a Z-World SBC, interfaced to a bill acceptor, and vended a phone 
debit card using a motor driving a ram plate, with LEDs to sense vend 
position.  The data was stored internally and dumped to a commercial HHC 
over RS232.  Again I speced, researched, purchased and designed it all 
and wrote the vending code in C.  The prototyping and manufacturing was 
done by the company I was working for.  But we were a tiny little company.

Both of those machines actually went into production, though I am pretty 
sure neither is still in use today.

So I have the background to do ucontroller stuff.  Today's SBCs are in 
another universe compared to what I developed on back in the 90s though 
in fact they've just shrunk the same stuff down into a smaller space.  
The debit card vendor ran on a 20 mhz z80 with 256 K ram and some EARom 
to store stuff long term, sat on a 5x5 PCB, and cost $150 in 
quantities.  Today the Beaglebone Black has all the I/O and more, plus a 
gigahertz dual core with a gbyte RAM and runs Linux, and sits on a 
credit card PCB.  Woof!  And it costs $35 in unit quantities.  Atmel 
ucontrollers which would completely handle my little widget would cost 
$3.  Software for doing the schematics is now free.  Software for doing 
the PCB is now free.  Getting the PCB made is now waaaay low cost and 
can be done in very low quantities.  CAD for physical design is free or 
low cost.  3D Printers allow prototyping the physical (plastic) 
containers and are cheap, even to buy.  So getting a start-up running is 
just so much cheaper now than even 15 years ago.

Of course doing it all myself will be a lot of work.  But if I can come 
up with a working prototype and then use KickStarter to get it off the 
ground...

We'll see.

I could use a good retirement project.  Or a project that would allow me 
to retire.  Either one!!!

John W. Colby

On 3/13/2015 2:41 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> It does sound like a fun project for sure. Doing electronics is not my strong suit but if it works it will sure be useful. (I still have a soil testing kit...I wonder if this new product could replace it?)
>
> Aside: Maker labs are all the rage out here...There one at the local college which is shared by the university, two private ones that anyone can become a member of and I have a friend that has virtually every piece of equipment (he even has a full lath that can cut hierarchical gears (used in his home made electric car), a 3D computerized boring machine and a medium size 3D printer that came in a kit) and has rented out his facilities for various projects. My friend built a new battery for my lawn mower and it has been running for 5 or 6 years...(he estimates it will recharge up to 15 years and maybe more). My lawn mower is one of the articles in his next monthly news letter.
>
> Please keep me posted on your progress.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:29:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
>
> The spectrum analyzer is on the way. I will likely be joining one of
> those "maker space" things, though there are none local so it will be a
> drive to get there.  That will give me access to 3D printers and such.
> I need to do a good prototype and do some extensive testing.  There is a
> lot of absorption spectrometry going on now that this inexpensive widget
> is available.
>
> It "feels" like this should work.  It is something that I personally
> want and would just pay for if it already existed.
>
> I have in fact found a company doing something similar, though they only
> test for hardness and Ammonia, not PH, Nitrate or Nitrite. They do cover
> water temp. logging etc.  Slickly packaged and a slick web page. Lots of
> add-ons and consumables to drive the price up. They also do what appears
> to be a submersible camera probe (extra cost add-on) to do light
> analysis at the bottom of the aquarium.
>
> All of which gives me hope that the idea does in fact have legs.  I have
> the programming chops to do computer analysis and automation.
>
> One way or the other it will be a fun project.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> On 3/13/2015 3:07 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi John:
>>
>> This looks like a Kickstarter project that has legs. It is hardly as smooth a sales video as many of the most popular supported products but it would seem that a good video production individual could put a real professional presentation together.
>>
>> Jim
>>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 02:59:41 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 03:59:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What, you don't even have a Terabyte?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gCz-Sz__g8HZhTOJi-KGbnBc=V7EQMBpF-U1fnbH2iEA@mail.gmail.com>

It won't fit in your laptop (yet), but 10TB drives are on the way
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/hgst-gets-closer-to-shipping-10tb-hdd/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61>
.

-- 
Arthur

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar 14 07:36:31 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 08:36:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone kickstarted?
In-Reply-To: <55031A0B.4070600@gmail.com>
References: <1949791035.21965978.1426177699703.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>	<5501E43B.4040604@gmail.com>	<5502F43F.30500@torchlake.com>
	<55031A0B.4070600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55042B4F.7020300@torchlake.com>

Yes, I listed a big bunch of analytes, essentially to give an idea of 
the scope of monitoring that we are doing with our waters.  One of the 
excellent tools we do use is a HydroLab, which gives us things like 
dissolved Oxygen, pH, temp, and the like.  It would be very interesting 
to see what is feasible with a spectrum analysis. I'll just sit back 
here and watch your progress.  Thanks for a fascinating subject.  :-)
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/13/2015 1:10 PM, John W. Colby wrote:
> A couple of thoughts.
>
> First, a lab analysis is probably much more rigorous and precise than 
> anything that a device like this could provide.  Although maybe not.
>
> Second, many of the things that you mention are probably not 
> quantifiable using spectrum analysis.  Things like dissolved O2, E. 
> coli etc.  Not that those things couldn't be analyzed in some other 
> manner.
>
> Third, there is an entire web site dedicated to this subject, 
> including analysis of environmental issues.
>
> http://publiclab.org/
>
> I would definitely advise going there to learn more.
>
> Fourth, emergency analysis of specific things might fit very well to a 
> low cost portable analyzer.  Emergencies often trump absolute 
> precision, where it is important to get immediate results, even if 
> they are less than optimal.
>
> I will be playing with this technology over the next few weeks, trying 
> to discover how well it works, how reliable it can be etc. I am 
> personally unhappy with the results I get with the chemical analysis 
> tool kits for aquarium water (and pool water).  It is just darned 
> difficult to really decide what I am seeing.  I have high hopes that 
> having a spectrum analysis and a computer will enable me to get more 
> "hard facts" rather than "opinion".  The technology is not very 
> expensive, assuming that I can make it work.
>
> There are a lot of ends to tie up however.  How to calibrate the 
> system against the various solutions / color scales.  How to 
> physically isolate the light source, specimen and sensor to avoid 
> light pollution.  And assuming that those problems can be solved, how 
> to take it further into automating the preparation of water samples etc.
>
> I think all of that is solvable, but it might need money to pay for 
> stuff like calibration samples, cad / design / manufacturing of the 
> machine and so forth.  That is where the KickStarter comes in.
>
> On a different but related note, I am searching for MakerSpaces close 
> to home.  The closest to me are these:
>
> http://www.forgegreensboro.org/
> http://hackerspacecharlotte.org/about-hsc/
>
> So maybe I have to drag my community out of the dark (furniture 
> industry) ages and start one myself.  My area is trying to bootstrap 
> itself into technology.  A MakerSpace would help that a lot.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> On 3/13/2015 10:29 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> JWC,
>>
>> Could this technique be expanded to assist in water sampling analysis 
>> for lakes and streams?  We do periodic sampling of our waters here, 
>> for Phosphorous, Nitrite:Nitrate, dissolved Oxygen, pH, temperature, 
>> E. coli, phytoplankton, and some other stuff. Our fieldwork plans 
>> always include designating who will get the samples to the lab within 
>> the required time parameters, which means that sampling over a 
>> weekend is problematic because the labs are not open.  Finding a 
>> solution to that issue with an accurate light spectrum analytical 
>> tool would be very welcome. Thoughts?
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/12/2015 3:08 PM, John W. Colby wrote:
>>> Visible spectrum analysis of lights (LEDs, florescent etc) is widely 
>>> talked about (and done) in the aquarium community. Basically shine a 
>>> light of interest on a spectrum analyzer and measure the strength of 
>>> the light at various frequencies.  A kickstarter project built an 
>>> inexpensive analyzer using a diffraction grid plastic, a shaped 
>>> (dark) box and a cell phone camera.  Use the cell phone to run 
>>> software to display (and graph) the resulting spectrum.
>>>
>>> http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/spectrometer
>>>
>>> Measuring various properties of aquarium water (inexpensively) uses 
>>> measured vials of water (5ml), adding various "number of drops" of 
>>> one or more titrating liquids. You then compare the resulting liquid 
>>> color to a color card to determine the amount of the substance being 
>>> measured.  You can buy kits which measure PH (High and low), Amonia, 
>>> Nitrite and Nitrate.  The process involves taking 4 water samples. 
>>> then dropping the correct number of drops of various things into 
>>> each sample, comparing the resulting colors to an included card.
>>>
>>> For anyone who has actually done this... it is an inexact science to 
>>> say the least.  The color cards contain shades which are difficult 
>>> (impossible) to really accurately gauge when holding the tube 
>>> against the card.  As an example, the Amonia test is really yellow 
>>> turning to green, but it is basically impossible to tell which of 
>>> three shades your tube matches.  In this example, any three adjacent 
>>> shades are close enough together (to the eye) that "who knows".  And 
>>> yet for example, one is 1 PPM (borderline bad), the next is 2 PPM 
>>> (bad) the next is 4 PPM (do a water change NOW, do not stop for 
>>> dinner).
>>>
>>> So all you really get is a range.  Unfortunately one end of that 
>>> range is non-toxic, the other is toxic as hell.
>>>
>>> So...
>>>
>>> Take the tubes of water, beam light through them and measure the 
>>> resulting color intensity with a spectrum analyzer using a camera 
>>> and software.  If the light intensity is known and stable (a white 
>>> LED), the sample is placed in a dark chamber so only light from the 
>>> LED can pass through the sample (and not leak around the sample), 
>>> the distance from the sample to the diffraction box is stable, and 
>>> the distance from the diffraction grid to the camera is stable (and 
>>> doesn't leak light) then you should be able to accurately and 
>>> reliably measure intensity and color of light through the sample.
>>>
>>> Reliable analysis.
>>>
>>> If you can automate the process, you get automated reliable 
>>> analysis.  Twice a day (week, month) measurement of all measurable 
>>> parameters.  Throw in water temp.  Throw in logging. Throw in Wifi 
>>> and a browser interface.  Heck, throw in automated dosing of 
>>> chemicals to correct the issue.
>>>
>>> The first part (measuring the color) is relatively simple. 
>>> Automation is not.
>>>
>>> I am ordering the USB Desktop analyzer and will then build a little 
>>> box to hold the sample vials such that light is forced through the 
>>> vials (not around) and a powerful white LED as a light source.  I 
>>> will then test the measuring concept with this widget. If it works 
>>> then I can reliably measure my own aquarium water.
>>>
>>> If it works, that is where kickstarter would come in, 
>>> commercializing this.  There is a pretty large community out there 
>>> of folks doing aquariums, even high end aquariums.  Lots of people, 
>>> lots of money.  From what I can tell, and I have done a lot of 
>>> reading, everyone just uses the liquid tests. So selling into a high 
>>> end market where people already use and are comfortable with these 
>>> tests, but providing really accurate measuring, logging etc seems 
>>> like a viable business.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 15:49:43 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:49:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What, you don't even have a Terabyte?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gCz-Sz__g8HZhTOJi-KGbnBc=V7EQMBpF-U1fnbH2iEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gCz-Sz__g8HZhTOJi-KGbnBc=V7EQMBpF-U1fnbH2iEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55049EE7.5090900@gmail.com>

Rotating media is like Silicon and Moore's law.  They keep saying that 
we are now pushing the boundaries... and then another ten years pass...

John W. Colby

On 3/14/2015 3:59 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> It won't fit in your laptop (yet), but 10TB drives are on the way
> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/hgst-gets-closer-to-shipping-10tb-hdd/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61>
> .
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 14 16:11:19 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 21:11:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] What, you don't even have a Terabyte?
In-Reply-To: <55049EE7.5090900@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gCz-Sz__g8HZhTOJi-KGbnBc=V7EQMBpF-U1fnbH2iEA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<55049EE7.5090900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1426367478203.58692@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Beyond imagination, I would say. 

As you, I recall the full-height 5.25" drives for the IBM XT. However, I have had a couple of Fujitsu drives the same physical size but with a capacity of ... 5 MB! 

Think about it: 1 mio. of these drives (and a transformer station outside your building) to match today's drive.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John W. Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sendt: 14. marts 2015 21:49
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What, you don't even have a Terabyte?

Rotating media is like Silicon and Moore's law.  They keep saying that
we are now pushing the boundaries... and then another ten years pass...

John W. Colby

On 3/14/2015 3:59 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> It won't fit in your laptop (yet), but 10TB drives are on the way
> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/hgst-gets-closer-to-shipping-10tb-hdd/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 15 03:57:10 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 02:57:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] What, you don't even have a Terabyte?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gCz-Sz__g8HZhTOJi-KGbnBc=V7EQMBpF-U1fnbH2iEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <354299711.23960111.1426409830179.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

I would be interested in seeing that laptop when it comes out. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 12:59:41 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] What, you don't even have a Terabyte?

It won't fit in your laptop (yet), but 10TB drives are on the way
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/hgst-gets-closer-to-shipping-10tb-hdd/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61>
.

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar 16 03:25:28 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:25:28 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
Message-ID: <1426494328.669052497@f137.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All -

If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one 

http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml

is good. Tested.

I have just happened to work with?

- VPS Classic 3 (?7.99 ?/month);
- VPS Classic 4 (?14.99 ?/month).

for my customer applications?setups. ?
The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting. But I didn't test this option.

Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 16 12:38:00 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:38:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
In-Reply-To: <1426494328.669052497@f137.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <519897786.24806555.1426527480336.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

How does this all work with a Linux server, an Apache web-server and MS windows on top? What is the Microsoft middle tier product that encapsulates the VS code? is this the Azure cloud we have been hearing about? So can anyone buy and deploy a full backend Cloud server or is all just these just docker style images.

It all sounds very exciting though.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:25:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

 Hi All -

If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one 

http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml

is good. Tested.

I have just happened to work with?

- VPS Classic 3 (?7.99 ?/month);
- VPS Classic 4 (?14.99 ?/month).

for my customer applications?setups. ?
The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting. But I didn't test this option.

Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 16 16:43:21 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:43:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cortana
In-Reply-To: <550335DD.1070305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <578220382.25013643.1426542201025.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

It seems that Cortana will be eventually a default Windows 10 product.

I like it, but just too bad there is not a Linux version:

http://redmondmag.com/articles/2014/06/30/why-cortana-matters.aspx

Jim 

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar 16 17:44:17 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:44:17 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <519897786.24806555.1426527480336.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1426494328.669052497@f137.i.mail.ru>
	<519897786.24806555.1426527480336.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1426545857.66892681@f261.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I'm note sure what visualization technology OVH uses, probably VMWare.
I have used several MS Windows Server 2008 Standard VMs running on OVH ( http://www.ovh.ie ) cloud.
They can be accessed via MS Windows Remote Desktop -? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/connect-using-remote-desktop-connection#connect-using-remote-desktop-connection=windows-7

With broadband Internet connection this ovh.ie cloud VM's Remote Desktop connection works/responds almost as speedy as a usual local MS Windows desktop.
As far as I see OVH.IE VMs I'm accessing are running in Canada and I'm located in St.Petersburg, Russia.

Here are some stats on ovh.ie / ovh.com -?http://www.ovh.ie/aboutus/ovh-in-figures.xml

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Monday, March 16, 2015 11:38 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>How does this all work with a Linux server, an Apache web-server and MS windows on top? What is the Microsoft middle tier product that encapsulates the VS code? is this the Azure cloud we have been hearing about? So can anyone buy and deploy a full backend Cloud server or is all just these just docker style images.
>
>It all sounds very exciting though.
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:25:28 AM
>Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hi All -
>
>If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one 
>
>http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml
>
>is good. Tested.
>
>I have just happened to work with?
>
>- VPS Classic 3 (?7.99 ?/month);
>- VPS Classic 4 (?14.99 ?/month).
>
>for my customer applications?setups. ?
>The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting. But I didn't test this option.
>
>Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Mar 16 23:48:39 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:48:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Google Sheet of DBA Member Info
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAJRckHVkj0NCnYTsmHHfOjUBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Hi All,
Some folks on the DBA-Off Topic list have been discussing planning a get
together. I placed a Google Sheet with location information in it at:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O8G3DgNVCG_nZ9wRW4sarLEyzqBEH4bYh0jE
Woz0dHg/edit#gid=511389216

If you'd like to have your information on the list (including whether you're
interested in meeting up) please feel free to add or edit the information in
the spreadsheet.

We also have a Google Map that we update via this spreadsheet. Knowing where
everyone is may help in locating where the meet up will take place.

Please don't pass this link around as only subscribers should be using it.

Thanks,
John B


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 17 23:58:32 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 22:58:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
In-Reply-To: <1426545857.66892681@f261.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <454720031.26136006.1426654712687.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

I am still not clear on how the stack works. Can I assume a Hyper-V server on top of Linux, with VMware running as separate instances? I thought it might be a Docker or CoreOS type system (KVM) spawned droplet? I was wondering how the licensing is handled as both VMware and Windows have various licensing fees?  Do you as the client, have to provide your own Windows installation and licensing?  

Aside: It should be noted that the company VMware is being sued by the Linux Foundation for being in contravention of the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL or GPL) contract, that states improvements to software originally under the GPL must be made open source as well. In addition, a company can charge for software support services but can not charge for the licensed open source software. (We shall see how that plays out in the courts.)

The network seems really strong and world wide. I have been looking for security references but have found none...would that be the responsibility of the clients'?  Its backbone is all fibre-optic and its speeds reflect this...another big plus. Is there an advantage to having your hosting server farm (Cloud) running in Canada as opposed to running somewhere in Europe? Are your clients in North America? 

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:44:17 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

 Hi Jim --

I'm note sure what visualization technology OVH uses, probably VMWare.
I have used several MS Windows Server 2008 Standard VMs running on OVH ( http://www.ovh.ie ) cloud.
They can be accessed via MS Windows Remote Desktop -? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/connect-using-remote-desktop-connection#connect-using-remote-desktop-connection=windows-7

With broadband Internet connection this ovh.ie cloud VM's Remote Desktop connection works/responds almost as speedy as a usual local MS Windows desktop.
As far as I see OVH.IE VMs I'm accessing are running in Canada and I'm located in St.Petersburg, Russia.

Here are some stats on ovh.ie / ovh.com -?http://www.ovh.ie/aboutus/ovh-in-figures.xml

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Monday, March 16, 2015 11:38 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>How does this all work with a Linux server, an Apache web-server and MS windows on top? What is the Microsoft middle tier product that encapsulates the VS code? is this the Azure cloud we have been hearing about? So can anyone buy and deploy a full backend Cloud server or is all just these just docker style images.
>
>It all sounds very exciting though.
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:25:28 AM
>Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hi All -
>
>If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one 
>
>http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml
>
>is good. Tested.
>
>I have just happened to work with?
>
>- VPS Classic 3 (?7.99 ?/month);
>- VPS Classic 4 (?14.99 ?/month).
>
>for my customer applications?setups. ?
>The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting. But I didn't test this option.
>
>Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
>_______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 01:31:58 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 00:31:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
In-Reply-To: <1422382843.570925916@f403.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <222473492.26167036.1426660318285.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

A few years ago the Opera browser decided to dump their own core and use Google's Chrome core instead. Does this mean Opera is just another Chrome...not at all. If anyone here has used and/or has a high definition screen you will most likely notice how shabby your browser appears on the screen. Various hacks tend to make the browser just look worse. 

But try Opera. It runs great on HighDPI displays and runs all your Google plug-ins as well. :-)

Jim

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 18 01:48:44 2015
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 23:48:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
In-Reply-To: <222473492.26167036.1426660318285.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <222473492.26167036.1426660318285.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <56D8E303-3B71-4D23-95DD-28077C64698E@phulse.com>

Just want to point out that Google Chrome's core is WebKit - Apples open source browser core (as shared by Safari). Apple doesn't always open source things, but, when they do, I think they deserve some attribution rather than Google - a beneficiary.

- Hans


> On Mar 17, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> A few years ago the Opera browser decided to dump their own core and use Google's Chrome core instead. Does this mean Opera is just another Chrome...not at all. If anyone here has used and/or has a high definition screen you will most likely notice how shabby your browser appears on the screen. Various hacks tend to make the browser just look worse. 
> 
> But try Opera. It runs great on HighDPI displays and runs all your Google plug-ins as well. :-)
> 
> Jim
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 04:25:05 2015
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:25:05 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
In-Reply-To: <1426494328.669052497@f137.i.mail.ru>
References: <1426494328.669052497@f137.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjRJB3AJMTNQxbBzeiGFEfEpzOCbjgFt8NDfBXhSrkQYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Shamil

I am using Amazon for the last two years, I love it.

I find it extremely broad with a lot of cloud features that we all need.

Please see here
<http://www.gartner.com/technology/reprints.do?id=1-1UKQQA6&ct=140528&st=sb>

If you do not read this entire article, just scroll down to the magic
quadrant and you will see where Amazon is.

I also used Azure a little but it does not compare to AWS.



On 16 March 2015 at 08:25, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

>  Hi All -
>
> If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one
>
> http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml
>
> is good. Tested.
>
> I have just happened to work with
>
> - VPS Classic 3 (?7.99  /month);
> - VPS Classic 4 (?14.99  /month).
>
> for my customer applications setups.
> The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting.
> But I didn't test this option.
>
> Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar 18 10:22:24 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 08:22:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Passthougts to replace passwords?
Message-ID: <61FAAB7520D042E4A4E7406741520D2A@HAL9007>

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/is-it-time-to-replace-passwords-with-pas
sthoughts/?tag=nl.e101
<blocked::http://www.techrepublic.com/article/is-it-time-to-replace-password
s-with-passthoughts/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531>
&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531
 
Impersonation is of course difficult.  However, it seems to me that the
signal from brain to password protected site is still digital.  Couldn't the
signal be intercepted - like a key logger but a thought logger; it's still a
string of bits - and that recorded string be subsequently used to gain
access?
 
r

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 11:09:01 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:09:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is killing off the Internet Explorer brand
In-Reply-To: <222473492.26167036.1426660318285.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <986286455.26441588.1426694941897.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

It seems that Microsoft has finally had enough bad press due to IE explorer and is now re-branding the product.

<quote>
Speaking at Microsoft Convergence yesterday, Microsoft?s marketing chief Chris Capossela revealed that the company is currently working on a new name and brand. ?We?re now researching what the new brand, or the new name, for our browser should be in Windows 10,? said Capossela. ?We?ll continue to have Internet Explorer, but we?ll also have a new browser called Project Spartan, which is codenamed Project Spartan. We have to name the thing.? 
</quote>

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/17/8230631/microsoft-is-killing-off-the-internet-explorer-brand

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 11:17:35 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:17:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better
	Employees
In-Reply-To: <222473492.26167036.1426660318285.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <975594073.26450818.1426695455413.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

As if we already didn't know this. ;-)

<quote>
In the world of Big Data, everything means something. Now Joe Pinsker reports that Cornerstone OnDemand, a company that sells software that helps employers recruit and retain workers, has found after analyzing data on about 50,000 people who took its 45-minute online job assessment, that people who took the test on a non-default browser, such as Firefox or Chrome, ended up staying at their jobs about 15 percent longer than those who stuck with Safari or Internet Explorer. They also tended to perform better on the job as well. Chief Analytics Officer Michael Housman offered an explanation for the results in an interview with Freakonomics Radio: "I think that the fact that you took the time to install Firefox on your computer shows us something about you. It shows that you're someone who is an informed consumer," says Housman. "You've made an active choice to do something that wasn't default." But why would a company care about something as seemingly trivial as the browser a candidate chooses to use? "Call centers are estimated to suffer from a turnover rate of about 45 percent annually (PDF), and it can cost thousands of dollars to hire new employees," says Pinsker. "Because of that, companies are eager to find any proxy for talent and dedication that they can."
</quote>

http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/03/17/0215235/analysis-people-who-use-firefox-or-chrome-make-better-employees

In summary, smart people don't use the default browsers...and they don't use Safari and especially they don't ever use IE. ;-)

Jim


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 18 11:24:31 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:24:31 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make
	Better	Employees
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB0913429998810418CAD6122FCA000@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

It's incredible so much "qualified" nonsense can be found out there.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 18. marts 2015 17:18
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees

Hi All:

As if we already didn't know this. ;-)

<quote>
In the world of Big Data, everything means something. Now Joe Pinsker reports that Cornerstone OnDemand, a company that sells software that helps employers recruit and retain workers, has found after analyzing data on about 50,000 people who took its 45-minute online job assessment, that people who took the test on a non-default browser, such as Firefox or Chrome, ended up staying at their jobs about 15 percent longer than those who stuck with Safari or Internet Explorer. They also tended to perform better on the job as well. Chief Analytics Officer Michael Housman offered an explanation for the results in an interview with Freakonomics Radio: "I think that the fact that you took the time to install Firefox on your computer shows us something about you. It shows that you're someone who is an informed consumer," says Housman. "You've made an active choice to do something that wasn't default." But why would a company care about something as seemingly trivial as the browser a c!
 andidate chooses to use? "Call centers are estimated to suffer from a turnover rate of about 45 percent annually (PDF), and it can cost thousands of dollars to hire new employees," says Pinsker. "Because of that, companies are eager to find any proxy for talent and dedication that they can."
</quote>

http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/03/17/0215235/analysis-people-who-use-firefox-or-chrome-make-better-employees

In summary, smart people don't use the default browsers...and they don't use Safari and especially they don't ever use IE. ;-)

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 11:38:53 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:38:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Build your own Siri
In-Reply-To: <222473492.26167036.1426660318285.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <449794056.26472093.1426696733552.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

If anyone ever wanted to build their own Siri like product called Sirius, here is a maker group from the University of Michigan who have built all the components and have open sourced them. Now you can assembled a product that can be targeted towards what ever endeavour you wish. Like an encyclopedia research tool or a data centre data search application. The coding can be very complex but this method may be the new age front-end to data interrogation. 

http://www.ns.umich.edu/new/multimedia/video/22734-build-your-qwn-siri-an-open-source-digital-assistant

...and for further details on the implications of voice activated searching see the following PDF file:

http://tinyurl.com/lnqjbpp

Jim

  

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 11:41:01 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:41:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
In-Reply-To: <56D8E303-3B71-4D23-95DD-28077C64698E@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1915930019.26473987.1426696861651.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Hans:

So did Apple make the Webkit core that current browsers are using?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?

Just want to point out that Google Chrome's core is WebKit - Apples open source browser core (as shared by Safari). Apple doesn't always open source things, but, when they do, I think they deserve some attribution rather than Google - a beneficiary.

- Hans


> On Mar 17, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> A few years ago the Opera browser decided to dump their own core and use Google's Chrome core instead. Does this mean Opera is just another Chrome...not at all. If anyone here has used and/or has a high definition screen you will most likely notice how shabby your browser appears on the screen. Various hacks tend to make the browser just look worse. 
> 
> But try Opera. It runs great on HighDPI displays and runs all your Google plug-ins as well. :-)
> 
> Jim
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 12:02:46 2015
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:02:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
In-Reply-To: <1915930019.26473987.1426696861651.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <56D8E303-3B71-4D23-95DD-28077C64698E@phulse.com>
	<1915930019.26473987.1426696861651.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHztAsQOzdAMR8Q96Qq1kgQRKzLiMzRkaJ=3=FPccrxyw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, and no.

WebKit is a fork of KHTML that Apple created.

So, yes Apple created Webkit, but not from scratch.

https://www.webkit.org/ details.

B

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Hans:
>
> So did Apple make the Webkit core that current browsers are using?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:48:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
>
> Just want to point out that Google Chrome's core is WebKit - Apples open source browser core (as shared by Safari). Apple doesn't always open source things, but, when they do, I think they deserve some attribution rather than Google - a beneficiary.
>
> - Hans
>
>
>> On Mar 17, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> A few years ago the Opera browser decided to dump their own core and use Google's Chrome core instead. Does this mean Opera is just another Chrome...not at all. If anyone here has used and/or has a high definition screen you will most likely notice how shabby your browser appears on the screen. Various hacks tend to make the browser just look worse.
>>
>> But try Opera. It runs great on HighDPI displays and runs all your Google plug-ins as well. :-)
>>
>> Jim
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 12:25:13 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:25:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make
 Better Employees
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB0913429998810418CAD6122FCA000@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB0913429998810418CAD6122FCA000@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5509B4F9.1090503@gmail.com>

Much better than unqualified nonsense though.

John W. Colby

On 3/18/2015 12:24 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> It's incredible so much "qualified" nonsense can be found out there.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 18. marts 2015 17:18
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees
>
> Hi All:
>
> As if we already didn't know this. ;-)
>
> <quote>
> In the world of Big Data, everything means something. Now Joe Pinsker reports that Cornerstone OnDemand, a company that sells software that helps employers recruit and retain workers, has found after analyzing data on about 50,000 people who took its 45-minute online job assessment, that people who took the test on a non-default browser, such as Firefox or Chrome, ended up staying at their jobs about 15 percent longer than those who stuck with Safari or Internet Explorer. They also tended to perform better on the job as well. Chief Analytics Officer Michael Housman offered an explanation for the results in an interview with Freakonomics Radio: "I think that the fact that you took the time to install Firefox on your computer shows us something about you. It shows that you're someone who is an informed consumer," says Housman. "You've made an active choice to do something that wasn't default." But why would a company care about something as seemingly trivial as the browser a c!
>   andidate chooses to use? "Call centers are estimated to suffer from a turnover rate of about 45 percent annually (PDF), and it can cost thousands of dollars to hire new employees," says Pinsker. "Because of that, companies are eager to find any proxy for talent and dedication that they can."
> </quote>
>
> http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/03/17/0215235/analysis-people-who-use-firefox-or-chrome-make-better-employees
>
> In summary, smart people don't use the default browsers...and they don't use Safari and especially they don't ever use IE. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 12:31:42 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:31:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome
	Make	Better	Employees
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB0913429998810418CAD6122FCA000@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1152225433.26523921.1426699902279.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Ha ha ha... It is. 

PS You are not still using IE? ;-)

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:24:31 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make	Better	Employees

Hi Jim

It's incredible so much "qualified" nonsense can be found out there.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 18. marts 2015 17:18
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees

Hi All:

As if we already didn't know this. ;-)

<quote>
In the world of Big Data, everything means something. Now Joe Pinsker reports that Cornerstone OnDemand, a company that sells software that helps employers recruit and retain workers, has found after analyzing data on about 50,000 people who took its 45-minute online job assessment, that people who took the test on a non-default browser, such as Firefox or Chrome, ended up staying at their jobs about 15 percent longer than those who stuck with Safari or Internet Explorer. They also tended to perform better on the job as well. Chief Analytics Officer Michael Housman offered an explanation for the results in an interview with Freakonomics Radio: "I think that the fact that you took the time to install Firefox on your computer shows us something about you. It shows that you're someone who is an informed consumer," says Housman. "You've made an active choice to do something that wasn't default." But why would a company care about something as seemingly trivial as the browser a c!
 andidate chooses to use? "Call centers are estimated to suffer from a turnover rate of about 45 percent annually (PDF), and it can cost thousands of dollars to hire new employees," says Pinsker. "Because of that, companies are eager to find any proxy for talent and dedication that they can."
</quote>

http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/03/17/0215235/analysis-people-who-use-firefox-or-chrome-make-better-employees

In summary, smart people don't use the default browsers...and they don't use Safari and especially they don't ever use IE. ;-)

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 12:34:40 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:34:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWHztAsQOzdAMR8Q96Qq1kgQRKzLiMzRkaJ=3=FPccrxyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <605079438.26526547.1426700080971.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Bryan:

Thanks for the clarification.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:02:46 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?

Yes, and no.

WebKit is a fork of KHTML that Apple created.

So, yes Apple created Webkit, but not from scratch.

https://www.webkit.org/ details.

B

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Hans:
>
> So did Apple make the Webkit core that current browsers are using?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:48:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
>
> Just want to point out that Google Chrome's core is WebKit - Apples open source browser core (as shared by Safari). Apple doesn't always open source things, but, when they do, I think they deserve some attribution rather than Google - a beneficiary.
>
> - Hans
>
>
>> On Mar 17, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> A few years ago the Opera browser decided to dump their own core and use Google's Chrome core instead. Does this mean Opera is just another Chrome...not at all. If anyone here has used and/or has a high definition screen you will most likely notice how shabby your browser appears on the screen. Various hacks tend to make the browser just look worse.
>>
>> But try Opera. It runs great on HighDPI displays and runs all your Google plug-ins as well. :-)
>>
>> Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 12:45:25 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:45:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjRJB3AJMTNQxbBzeiGFEfEpzOCbjgFt8NDfBXhSrkQYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167588285.26534472.1426700725922.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Mark:

As you have a through knowledge of AWS maybe you can give some examples of features you have used, performance levels and the costs. It obvious that it runs Linux products well but does it support Microsoft products and if AWS does how does it do that?...VMWare? I also understand that Amazon's Cloud uses the ZFS so client's file requirements can be of any size...is that true?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:25:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

Hello Shamil

I am using Amazon for the last two years, I love it.

I find it extremely broad with a lot of cloud features that we all need.

Please see here
<http://www.gartner.com/technology/reprints.do?id=1-1UKQQA6&ct=140528&st=sb>

If you do not read this entire article, just scroll down to the magic
quadrant and you will see where Amazon is.

I also used Azure a little but it does not compare to AWS.



On 16 March 2015 at 08:25, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

>  Hi All -
>
> If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one
>
> http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml
>
> is good. Tested.
>
> I have just happened to work with
>
> - VPS Classic 3 (?7.99  /month);
> - VPS Classic 4 (?14.99  /month).
>
> for my customer applications setups.
> The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting.
> But I didn't test this option.
>
> Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 18 14:24:18 2015
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:24:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
In-Reply-To: <1915930019.26473987.1426696861651.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1915930019.26473987.1426696861651.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1485673A-BF50-422A-8C09-D16793856993@phulse.com>

That's correct.

- Hans


> On Mar 18, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans:
> 
> So did Apple make the Webkit core that current browsers are using?
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:48:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opera anyone?
> 
> Just want to point out that Google Chrome's core is WebKit - Apples open source browser core (as shared by Safari). Apple doesn't always open source things, but, when they do, I think they deserve some attribution rather than Google - a beneficiary.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> A few years ago the Opera browser decided to dump their own core and use Google's Chrome core instead. Does this mean Opera is just another Chrome...not at all. If anyone here has used and/or has a high definition screen you will most likely notice how shabby your browser appears on the screen. Various hacks tend to make the browser just look worse. 
>> 
>> But try Opera. It runs great on HighDPI displays and runs all your Google plug-ins as well. :-)
>> 
>> Jim
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 19 02:34:35 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:34:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make
 Better Employees
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB09134F9E5A38FAF7304D38B4CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

I always use it as default. With IE6 and before it could be problematic and Google introduced competition which always is good. But IE 10 and indeed 11 is a non-issue and, seriously, I don't get all the browser fuzz - I have better things to do than experimenting with replacements . 

Some of my colleagues have Chrome installed for visiting some weird sites that seem to be programmed to not work with IE11, typically covernment sites. Some of these even state that "this site works with Chrome only".

That said, I look forward to study the Spartan browser in my Windows 10.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 18. marts 2015 18:32
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees

Hi Gustav:

Ha ha ha... It is. 

PS You are not still using IE? ;-)

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:24:31 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make	Better	Employees

Hi Jim

It's incredible so much "qualified" nonsense can be found out there.

/gustav 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 19 03:46:28 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:46:28 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjRJB3AJMTNQxbBzeiGFEfEpzOCbjgFt8NDfBXhSrkQYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1426494328.669052497@f137.i.mail.ru>
	<CAGXtTCjRJB3AJMTNQxbBzeiGFEfEpzOCbjgFt8NDfBXhSrkQYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1426754788.810805434@f387.i.mail.ru>

 Hello Mark --

Thank you for your information.
I have scrolled the article you referred to its 'magic quadrant part' and it looks good.
I will read the article in full later.

Do you know from your experience what would it be a monthly cost to have a VPS with 4GB RAM/40GB HDD 2/4 cores, Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows Server 2012 or just desktop Windows 7/8 hosted on AWS running 24x7x365?

Does AWS have affordable MS SQL Server hosting options?

Yes, I have seen their hosting costs calculator but it I have found the figures it calculates are too high for me currently. I could have used this calculator improperly?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:25 AM UTC from Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com>:
>Hello Shamil
>
>I am using Amazon for the last two years, I love it.
>
>I find it extremely broad with a lot of cloud features that we all need.
>
>Please see here
>< http://www.gartner.com/technology/reprints.do?id=1-1UKQQA6&ct=140528&st=sb >
>
>If you do not read this entire article, just scroll down to the magic
>quadrant and you will see where Amazon is.
>
>I also used Azure a little but it does not compare to AWS.
>
>
>
>On 16 March 2015 at 08:25, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Hi All -
>>
>> If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one
>>
>>  http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml
>>
>> is good. Tested.
>>
>> I have just happened to work with
>>
>> - VPS Classic 3 (?7.99  /month);
>> - VPS Classic 4 (?14.99  /month).
>>
>> for my customer applications setups.
>> The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting.
>> But I didn't test this option.
>>
>> Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> ???????????? ??????
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 19 03:49:28 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:49:28 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
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	<519897786.24806555.1426527480336.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1426754968.754580806@f387.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I have only evaluated/tested MS Windows VPS options for ovh.ie . These are just MS Windows Server 2008 Standard accessed via MS Windows Remote Desktop.

-- Shamil

Monday, March 16, 2015 11:38 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>How does this all work with a Linux server, an Apache web-server and MS windows on top? What is the Microsoft middle tier product that encapsulates the VS code? is this the Azure cloud we have been hearing about? So can anyone buy and deploy a full backend Cloud server or is all just these just docker style images.
>
>It all sounds very exciting though.
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 1:25:28 AM
>Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hi All -
>
>If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one 
>
>http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml
>
>is good. Tested.
>
>I have just happened to work with?
>
>- VPS Classic 3 (?7.99 ?/month);
>- VPS Classic 4 (?14.99 ?/month).
>
>for my customer applications?setups. ?
>The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting. But I didn't test this option.
>
>Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 19 04:00:07 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:00:07 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
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	<454720031.26136006.1426654712687.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1426755607.609417684@f387.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I don't know how ovh.ie stack works. I'd be interested to know but I doubt I will ever have free ?time to spend on this investigation. I'm accepting all that technologies more as infrastructure than anything else.

You don't need to have your own MS Windows license to use this ovh.ie hosting MS Windows VPSs - you rent MS Windows licenses paying your hosting subscription.

I and my customers use VPS servers running anywhere in this small world - the main consideration is the value you buy for your money where the value is first of all reliability/availability (24x7x365), ease of remote management/responsiveness, and money are limited. Flexible REST API to control hosting solutions is also becoming one of the main features/values nowadays.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tuesday, March 17, 2015 10:58 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I am still not clear on how the stack works. Can I assume a Hyper-V server on top of Linux, with VMware running as separate instances? I thought it might be a Docker or CoreOS type system (KVM) spawned droplet? I was wondering how the licensing is handled as both VMware and Windows have various licensing fees?  Do you as the client, have to provide your own Windows installation and licensing? 
>
>Aside: It should be noted that the company VMware is being sued by the Linux Foundation for being in contravention of the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL or GPL) contract, that states improvements to software originally under the GPL must be made open source as well. In addition, a company can charge for software support services but can not charge for the licensed open source software. (We shall see how that plays out in the courts.)
>
>The network seems really strong and world wide. I have been looking for security references but have found none...would that be the responsibility of the clients'?  Its backbone is all fibre-optic and its speeds reflect this...another big plus. Is there an advantage to having your hosting server farm (Cloud) running in Canada as opposed to running somewhere in Europe? Are your clients in North America? 
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:44:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>I'm note sure what visualization technology OVH uses, probably VMWare.
>I have used several MS Windows Server 2008 Standard VMs running on OVH (  http://www.ovh.ie ) cloud.
>They can be accessed via MS Windows Remote Desktop -?  http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/connect-using-remote-desktop-connection#connect-using-remote-desktop-connection=windows-7
>
>With broadband Internet connection this ovh.ie cloud VM's Remote Desktop connection works/responds almost as speedy as a usual local MS Windows desktop.
>As far as I see OVH.IE VMs I'm accessing are running in Canada and I'm located in St.Petersburg, Russia.
>
>Here are some stats on ovh.ie / ovh.com -? http://www.ovh.ie/aboutus/ovh-in-figures.xml
>
>Thank you.
<<< skipped >>>
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 19 04:21:46 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:21:46 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB0913CDCFD5C5C1BC767FA842CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

I don't think you are using the calculator improperly. Those are the current costs, there are no hidden alternatives except, perhaps, if you are a very large corporation.

It's my impression, that AWS is the price leader because of their marketshare and because they lower their prices at once when possible. Comparable Azure prices follow AWS closely and quickly.

I've also found that it quickly adds up, indeed for machines constantly on. The crucial part is how you estimate maintenance of domestic machines. If you have to pay hi-priced techies, the picture can quickly change.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 19. marts 2015 09:46
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

 Hello Mark --

Thank you for your information.
I have scrolled the article you referred to its 'magic quadrant part' and it looks good.
I will read the article in full later.

Do you know from your experience what would it be a monthly cost to have a VPS with 4GB RAM/40GB HDD 2/4 cores, Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows Server 2012 or just desktop Windows 7/8 hosted on AWS running 24x7x365?

Does AWS have affordable MS SQL Server hosting options?

Yes, I have seen their hosting costs calculator but it I have found the figures it calculates are too high for me currently. I could have used this calculator improperly?

Thank you.

-- Shamil 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 19 05:23:45 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 13:23:45 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB0913CDCFD5C5C1BC767FA842CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB0913CDCFD5C5C1BC767FA842CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1426760625.42912261@f228.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your note.
Is it possible to make a quick but close to reality evaluation how much it will cost on AWS to host

Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard, Service Pack 1
Running 24x7x365 on AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 4386, 3.10GHz
4 Cores / 8GB RAM / 10GB Raid 10 HDD / 100 Mbps network / unlimited traffic On  http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml ?it's??14.99 / month - no any other hidden costs if I haven't missed some.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:21 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I don't think you are using the calculator improperly. Those are the current costs, there are no hidden alternatives except, perhaps, if you are a very large corporation.
>
>It's my impression, that AWS is the price leader because of their marketshare and because they lower their prices at once when possible. Comparable Azure prices follow AWS closely and quickly.
>
>I've also found that it quickly adds up, indeed for machines constantly on. The crucial part is how you estimate maintenance of domestic machines. If you have to pay hi-priced techies, the picture can quickly change.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 19. marts 2015 09:46
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hello Mark --
>
>Thank you for your information.
>I have scrolled the article you referred to its 'magic quadrant part' and it looks good.
>I will read the article in full later.
>
>Do you know from your experience what would it be a monthly cost to have a VPS with 4GB RAM/40GB HDD 2/4 cores, Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows Server 2012 or just desktop Windows 7/8 hosted on AWS running 24x7x365?
>
>Does AWS have affordable MS SQL Server hosting options?
>
>Yes, I have seen their hosting costs calculator but it I have found the figures it calculates are too high for me currently. I could have used this calculator improperly?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 19 05:46:52 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:46:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB09135DCA9B1A1251F84727F4CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

That would be the EC2:

     http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/

But if you study the price calculator, costs are a magnitude higher than those of ovh.
Same goes for Azure:

    http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/virtual-machines/

I believe they are SSD based and offer Windows Server 2012 R2 and perhaps better backup options, but it seems that ovs has s very low pricing that will be hard to beat.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 19. marts 2015 11:24
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your note.
Is it possible to make a quick but close to reality evaluation how much it will cost on AWS to host

Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard, Service Pack 1 Running 24x7x365 on AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 4386, 3.10GHz
4 Cores / 8GB RAM / 10GB Raid 10 HDD / 100 Mbps network / unlimited traffic On  http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml ?it's??14.99 / month - no any other hidden costs if I haven't missed some.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:21 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I don't think you are using the calculator improperly. Those are the current costs, there are no hidden alternatives except, perhaps, if you are a very large corporation.
>
>It's my impression, that AWS is the price leader because of their marketshare and because they lower their prices at once when possible. Comparable Azure prices follow AWS closely and quickly.
>
>I've also found that it quickly adds up, indeed for machines constantly on. The crucial part is how you estimate maintenance of domestic machines. If you have to pay hi-priced techies, the picture can quickly change.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne 
>af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 19. marts 2015 09:46
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hello Mark --
>
>Thank you for your information.
>I have scrolled the article you referred to its 'magic quadrant part' and it looks good.
>I will read the article in full later.
>
>Do you know from your experience what would it be a monthly cost to have a VPS with 4GB RAM/40GB HDD 2/4 cores, Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows Server 2012 or just desktop Windows 7/8 hosted on AWS running 24x7x365?
>
>Does AWS have affordable MS SQL Server hosting options?
>
>Yes, I have seen their hosting costs calculator but it I have found the figures it calculates are too high for me currently. I could have used this calculator improperly?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 19 06:19:50 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:19:50 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
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Message-ID: <1426763990.224942111@f84.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

I'm also surprised for such a high margin between AWS/Microsoft and ovh.ie hosting costs for comparable VPS hosting configurations.
Are ovh.ie currently dumping or capitalistic economy laws don't work for them?
Or they use MS Windows Server 2008 Standard and so they don't need to pay very high royalty for MS?

You evaluate AWS/MS costs for the sample configuration running 24x7x365 would be about??150 / month.
This looks very high for me for a "piece of hardware and MS Windows license" renting.

Would??150 -??14.99 =??135.01 be the costs for MS Windows 2012 license renting?

Who are " capitalistic sharks" here AWS, MS or both? :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:46 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>That would be the EC2:
>
>????? http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
>
>But if you study the price calculator, costs are a magnitude higher than those of ovh.
>Same goes for Azure:
>
>???? http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/virtual-machines/
>
>I believe they are SSD based and offer Windows Server 2012 R2 and perhaps better backup options, but it seems that ovs has s very low pricing that will be hard to beat.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 19. marts 2015 11:24
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Thank you for your note.
>Is it possible to make a quick but close to reality evaluation how much it will cost on AWS to host
>
>Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard, Service Pack 1 Running 24x7x365 on AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 4386, 3.10GHz
>4 Cores / 8GB RAM / 10GB Raid 10 HDD / 100 Mbps network / unlimited traffic On  http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml ?it's??14.99 / month - no any other hidden costs if I haven't missed some.
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 19 07:15:58 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:15:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB09134EA29B6B5F105EB7A172CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

I believe the pricing from AWA and MS reflects the expected TCO for domestic alternatives suitable for enterprises. It is not cheap to run a setup of servers with fail-over and automated backup and redundant 1 Gb/sec lines.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 19. marts 2015 12:20
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

 Hi Gustav --

I'm also surprised for such a high margin between AWS/Microsoft and ovh.ie hosting costs for comparable VPS hosting configurations.
Are ovh.ie currently dumping or capitalistic economy laws don't work for them?
Or they use MS Windows Server 2008 Standard and so they don't need to pay very high royalty for MS?

You evaluate AWS/MS costs for the sample configuration running 24x7x365 would be about??150 / month.
This looks very high for me for a "piece of hardware and MS Windows license" renting.

Would??150 -??14.99 =??135.01 be the costs for MS Windows 2012 license renting?

Who are " capitalistic sharks" here AWS, MS or both? :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 19 09:13:55 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:13:55 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?If_you=27re_looking_for_an_MS_Windows_VPS_cl?=
 =?utf-8?q?oud_solution_this_one_is_good=2E_Tested=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB09134EA29B6B5F105EB7A172CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB09134EA29B6B5F105EB7A172CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1426774435.478603842@f161.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

OK, I understand. I'm not arguing but have a look at

http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/enterprise/

http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/range-2013/2013-SP-64.xml


Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:15 PM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I believe the pricing from AWA and MS reflects the expected TCO for domestic alternatives suitable for enterprises. It is not cheap to run a setup of servers with fail-over and automated backup and redundant 1 Gb/sec lines.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 19. marts 2015 12:20
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>I'm also surprised for such a high margin between AWS/Microsoft and ovh.ie hosting costs for comparable VPS hosting configurations.
>Are ovh.ie currently dumping or capitalistic economy laws don't work for them?
>Or they use MS Windows Server 2008 Standard and so they don't need to pay very high royalty for MS?
>
>You evaluate AWS/MS costs for the sample configuration running 24x7x365 would be about??150 / month.
>This looks very high for me for a "piece of hardware and MS Windows license" renting.
>
>Would??150 -??14.99 =??135.01 be the costs for MS Windows 2012 license renting?
>
>Who are " capitalistic sharks" here AWS, MS or both? :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 14:02:36 2015
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:02:36 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
In-Reply-To: <1426754788.810805434@f387.i.mail.ru>
References: <1426494328.669052497@f137.i.mail.ru>
	<CAGXtTCjRJB3AJMTNQxbBzeiGFEfEpzOCbjgFt8NDfBXhSrkQYw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1426754788.810805434@f387.i.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil

I can advise you to read about the T2 machines, they are interesting in the
performance they deliver.  T2 medium might be good enough for you.

Also, please review the reserved instance pricing, it is also interesting.

Finally, AWS is not the cheapest, but might be the best, however, it may
only be slightly more expensive then the cheapest.

Each business case will be different.

t2 medium reserved instance is 918 for 36 months, with windows 2012 and you
use sql express.

M2 Medium is double that.

HTH

Mark



On 19 March 2015 at 08:46, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

>  Hello Mark --
>
> Thank you for your information.
> I have scrolled the article you referred to its 'magic quadrant part' and
> it looks good.
> I will read the article in full later.
>
> Do you know from your experience what would it be a monthly cost to have a
> VPS with 4GB RAM/40GB HDD 2/4 cores, Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows
> Server 2012 or just desktop Windows 7/8 hosted on AWS running 24x7x365?
>
> Does AWS have affordable MS SQL Server hosting options?
>
> Yes, I have seen their hosting costs calculator but it I have found the
> figures it calculates are too high for me currently. I could have used this
> calculator improperly?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:25 AM UTC from Mark Breen <
> marklbreen at gmail.com>:
> >Hello Shamil
> >
> >I am using Amazon for the last two years, I love it.
> >
> >I find it extremely broad with a lot of cloud features that we all need.
> >
> >Please see here
> ><
> http://www.gartner.com/technology/reprints.do?id=1-1UKQQA6&ct=140528&st=sb
> >
> >
> >If you do not read this entire article, just scroll down to the magic
> >quadrant and you will see where Amazon is.
> >
> >I also used Azure a little but it does not compare to AWS.
> >
> >
> >
> >On 16 March 2015 at 08:25, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi All -
> >>
> >> If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solutions this one
> >>
> >>  http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml
> >>
> >> is good. Tested.
> >>
> >> I have just happened to work with
> >>
> >> - VPS Classic 3 (?7.99  /month);
> >> - VPS Classic 4 (?14.99  /month).
> >>
> >> for my customer applications setups.
> >> The last one should be good enough for the whole Visual Studio hosting.
> >> But I didn't test this option.
> >>
> >> Do you know any other less expensive VPS hosting worldwide proposals?
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ???????????? ??????
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 20 11:24:21 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:24:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make
 Better Employees
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB09134F9E5A38FAF7304D38B4CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <733987718.28158089.1426868661648.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

I am looking forward to the new Spartan browser as well. Hope it will run on more than one platform and will be capable of JS real-time compiling...have you heard anything?

It seems that Microsoft is even going to give a free update to all users of Win7 and 8 regardless whether they are pirated copies or not.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/03/19/why-microsoft-is-giving-away-windows-10-to-pirates

If they gave free updates to those with XP, they could update fifty percent of the world's Microsoft's platform users. ;-)

PS: As for whether "People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees"; I have also discovered, after checking the mirror this morning, that these people are probably also better looking as well. ;-)
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:34:35 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees

Hi Jim

I always use it as default. With IE6 and before it could be problematic and Google introduced competition which always is good. But IE 10 and indeed 11 is a non-issue and, seriously, I don't get all the browser fuzz - I have better things to do than experimenting with replacements . 

Some of my colleagues have Chrome installed for visiting some weird sites that seem to be programmed to not work with IE11, typically covernment sites. Some of these even state that "this site works with Chrome only".

That said, I look forward to study the Spartan browser in my Windows 10.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 18. marts 2015 18:32
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees

Hi Gustav:

Ha ha ha... It is. 

PS You are not still using IE? ;-)

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:24:31 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make	Better	Employees

Hi Jim

It's incredible so much "qualified" nonsense can be found out there.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 20 11:53:44 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 16:53:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make
 Better Employees
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB0913EAB8ACDB8A79CBB523D3CA0E0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

My understanding is, that Spartan is Windows 10 only, though including all platforms this will run on.

The free upgrade seems to be a "Chinese duck". MS has published that it is valid only for the Home versions of Windows 7+. Ultimate and Enterprise (= enterprises) must have software assurance - or pay otherwise.

/gustav

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Sendt: 20. marts 2015 17:24
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Analysis: People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees

Hi Gustav:

I am looking forward to the new Spartan browser as well. Hope it will run on more than one platform and will be capable of JS real-time compiling...have you heard anything?

It seems that Microsoft is even going to give a free update to all users of Win7 and 8 regardless whether they are pirated copies or not.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/03/19/why-microsoft-is-giving-away-windows-10-to-pirates

If they gave free updates to those with XP, they could update fifty percent of the world's Microsoft's platform users. ;-)

PS: As for whether "People Who Use Firefox Or Chrome Make Better Employees"; I have also discovered, after checking the mirror this morning, that these people are probably also better looking as well. ;-)
 
Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 20 12:26:50 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:26:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB09135DCA9B1A1251F84727F4CA010@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1515682593.28219227.1426872409997.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav and Shamil:

I could be reading this wrong but it appears the one main difference between AWS and Azure is that Azure is a fixed price calculation. You have to pre-purchase what you think will be your requirements. If you have calculated accurately, your needs are consistent and you are only going to be using MS licensed products, Azure may be the way to go.  OTOH, according to the AWS's EC2 video, it states that you as a customer can make "on-the-fly" requirement changes at any time and only pay for what they use at any given duration and the licensing of third-party products is your concern. If costs are a major concern, your business is continually scaling and you are using a variety of applications and operating systems, AWS may be the best choice.

IMHO, small clients would be better served by keeping away from these giants. The old axiom of computer service, is always try to match customer size to support size as disparity always ends with poor service and poor cost value.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:46:52 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

Hi Shamil

That would be the EC2:

     http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/

But if you study the price calculator, costs are a magnitude higher than those of ovh.
Same goes for Azure:

    http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/virtual-machines/

I believe they are SSD based and offer Windows Server 2012 R2 and perhaps better backup options, but it seems that ovs has s very low pricing that will be hard to beat.

/gustav

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Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 19. marts 2015 11:24
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your note.
Is it possible to make a quick but close to reality evaluation how much it will cost on AWS to host

Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard, Service Pack 1 Running 24x7x365 on AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 4386, 3.10GHz
4 Cores / 8GB RAM / 10GB Raid 10 HDD / 100 Mbps network / unlimited traffic On  http://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-classic.xml ?it's??14.99 / month - no any other hidden costs if I haven't missed some.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:21 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I don't think you are using the calculator improperly. Those are the current costs, there are no hidden alternatives except, perhaps, if you are a very large corporation.
>
>It's my impression, that AWS is the price leader because of their marketshare and because they lower their prices at once when possible. Comparable Azure prices follow AWS closely and quickly.
>
>I've also found that it quickly adds up, indeed for machines constantly on. The crucial part is how you estimate maintenance of domestic machines. If you have to pay hi-priced techies, the picture can quickly change.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne 
>af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 19. marts 2015 09:46
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hello Mark --
>
>Thank you for your information.
>I have scrolled the article you referred to its 'magic quadrant part' and it looks good.
>I will read the article in full later.
>
>Do you know from your experience what would it be a monthly cost to have a VPS with 4GB RAM/40GB HDD 2/4 cores, Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows Server 2012 or just desktop Windows 7/8 hosted on AWS running 24x7x365?
>
>Does AWS have affordable MS SQL Server hosting options?
>
>Yes, I have seen their hosting costs calculator but it I have found the figures it calculates are too high for me currently. I could have used this calculator improperly?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 20 14:43:37 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:43:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud
 solution this one is good. Tested.
In-Reply-To: <1426774435.478603842@f161.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <209819351.28331884.1426880617556.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

An interesting aside: Just the other day, an owner of a company, invited me to coffee and thanked me for introducing his company to Linux. Even though I only updated a third of the equipment and not even the server, I had exposed him and his employees to this new environment. After my initial install, the employees embraced the OS, upgraded all their computers to Linux and built a new server. According to the owner, they have full-time automated backups, a fail-over server and a number of staff members that can support the system. (he is even sending some to school at the local college to learn more about their chosen environment.) He said the new systems saved him a fortune, he has had no viruses or malware and everything just works...stable as a rock.

Only companies that have more than one office or need external data access really need Cloud services. OTOH, unless a company is "all-in", with the network maintenance, security and the staff and owner are at least moderately computer literate, migration to the Cloud might be their only salvation.    

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:13:55 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.

 Hi Gustav --

OK, I understand. I'm not arguing but have a look at

http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/enterprise/

http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/range-2013/2013-SP-64.xml


Thank you.

-- Shamil

Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:15 PM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I believe the pricing from AWA and MS reflects the expected TCO for domestic alternatives suitable for enterprises. It is not cheap to run a setup of servers with fail-over and automated backup and redundant 1 Gb/sec lines.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 19. marts 2015 12:20
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] If you're looking for an MS Windows VPS cloud solution this one is good. Tested.
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>I'm also surprised for such a high margin between AWS/Microsoft and ovh.ie hosting costs for comparable VPS hosting configurations.
>Are ovh.ie currently dumping or capitalistic economy laws don't work for them?
>Or they use MS Windows Server 2008 Standard and so they don't need to pay very high royalty for MS?
>
>You evaluate AWS/MS costs for the sample configuration running 24x7x365 would be about??150 / month.
>This looks very high for me for a "piece of hardware and MS Windows license" renting.
>
>Would??150 -??14.99 =??135.01 be the costs for MS Windows 2012 license renting?
>
>Who are " capitalistic sharks" here AWS, MS or both? :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar 23 09:16:33 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 07:16:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft gives up on charging for Windows in China
Message-ID: <0D3E684219D44922903009AF47433733@HAL9007>

FYI
 
r
 
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-gives-up-on-charging-for-windo
ws-in-china/?tag=nl.e101
<http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-gives-up-on-charging-for-wind
ows-in-china/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531>
&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531
 
 

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 14:07:15 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:07:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] spectroscopy continued - was Has anyone kickstarted
Message-ID: <55106463.4060303@gmail.com>

Just a followup, I received my Public Lab Spectrometer yesterday and got 
it built today.  Got it connected to Windows 7 and displaying a spectrum 
on their web page

http://spectralworkbench.org/capture

Using a way too powerful LED flashlight to shine through a titrated 
sample measuring ammonia level in water, I got a spectrum, different 
from no sample.  Basically the blue end was completely attenuated 
through a yellow liquid sample.

Next step is to build a contraption to hold a white LED light source 
inside a dark chamber.  The widget will allow inserting a test tube 
sample into a hole, which inserts the test tube into the light path.  
The widget will then prevent light from getting around the sample, but 
light going through the sample will continue on to strike the 
collimation slit, and thus into the spectrometer.

With that done, I can get repeatable light samples whose spectrograph is 
representative of the color and density of the sample.

I am not yet sure of how to proceed from that point.  Obviously I need 
to measure the intensity along the spectrum, every X tics along the 
axis.  Something like that

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 00:26:39 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 01:26:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Single slit interference
Message-ID: <5510F58F.8080103@gmail.com>

Cool stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CmbItRjM-Y

-- 
John W. Colby


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 10:03:51 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:03:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Managing Windows startup
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jM9kie2mKTyDAG-EdiPGh1Mt0NP1GbT0N138kcf4Sseg@mail.gmail.com>

This relates to both Windows 8.1 and Windows 7.

1. What's the built-in way to view and manage what Windows is doing at
startup?
2. Is there a better tool than the built-in method?

-- 
Arthur

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Mar 24 10:13:32 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:13:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Managing Windows startup
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jM9kie2mKTyDAG-EdiPGh1Mt0NP1GbT0N138kcf4Sseg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jM9kie2mKTyDAG-EdiPGh1Mt0NP1GbT0N138kcf4Sseg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66d239354d2840349fc3f513293dc230@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Hi Arthur

The Windows way is open Task Manager and look at the startup tab.

The nicer looking way is this: http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/startup_cpl.html


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:04 PM
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Subject: [dba-Tech] Managing Windows startup

This relates to both Windows 8.1 and Windows 7.

1. What's the built-in way to view and manage what Windows is doing at startup?
2. Is there a better tool than the built-in method?

--
Arthur
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 10:17:20 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:17:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Managing Windows startup
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jM9kie2mKTyDAG-EdiPGh1Mt0NP1GbT0N138kcf4Sseg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jM9kie2mKTyDAG-EdiPGh1Mt0NP1GbT0N138kcf4Sseg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55118000.3000704@gmail.com>

MSConfig.exe.  Type it into the search tool, then pin to the task bar 
for easy access.

John W. Colby

On 3/24/2015 11:03 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> This relates to both Windows 8.1 and Windows 7.
>
> 1. What's the built-in way to view and manage what Windows is doing at
> startup?
> 2. Is there a better tool than the built-in method?
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 10:29:59 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:29:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Managing Windows startup
In-Reply-To: <66d239354d2840349fc3f513293dc230@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jM9kie2mKTyDAG-EdiPGh1Mt0NP1GbT0N138kcf4Sseg@mail.gmail.com>
	<66d239354d2840349fc3f513293dc230@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gifj+kRTcN6qSQQR46uT_VGXPyPm-nbdMMqhh9oPrPtw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jon.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> The Windows way is open Task Manager and look at the startup tab.
>
> The nicer looking way is this:
> http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/startup_cpl.html
>
>
> Jon

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 25 05:44:26 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:44:26 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_Professional_2013_with_MSDN?=
Message-ID: <1427280266.906006813@f61.i.mail.ru>


Hi All --

Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -? http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2 ??

I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:

1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows ?8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?

Thank you.


-- 
???????????? ??????

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 25 06:27:39 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:27:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB091309CF990441A1671843B1CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

I'm not into the details of the different MSDN subscription plans - seems very aimed at enterprises to me.

Now, I don't know if you operate personally or run your activities as a small company. If so, I guess you could sign up for MAPS:

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.aspx

We have for years used MAPS at a yearly cost of about ?400. That provides 10 Windows desktop licenses, 2012 R2 server licenses, SQL Server 2014, current VS pro and - not to forget - five Office 365 E3 accounts and a limited monthly usage of Azure services enough for testing and development. You also get some hours for qualified support, but we've never used it so I can't tell how much that really is worth.

The major limitation was that the VS license is for internal use, excluding "professional" development, but this  is somewhat moot now with the community edition of VS.

You have to sign up as a partner (free) and pass a small test which someone like you can manage with both hands tied on your back.

/gustav

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Sendt: 25. marts 2015 11:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN


Hi All --

Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -? http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2 ??

I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:

1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows ?8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?

Thank you.


-- 
???????????? ?????? 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 25 06:42:38 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:42:38 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_Professional_2013_with_MSDN?=
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB091309CF990441A1671843B1CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB091309CF990441A1671843B1CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1427283758.563855381@f412.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Than you for your comment.

I'd guess VS 2013 Professional with MSDN should cover MAPS licensing features as it's more pricey? 

Does anybody here know for sure or has any links to approve/disapprove my wild guessing?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:27 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I'm not into the details of the different MSDN subscription plans - seems very aimed at enterprises to me.
>
>Now, I don't know if you operate personally or run your activities as a small company. If so, I guess you could sign up for MAPS:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.aspx
>
>We have for years used MAPS at a yearly cost of about ?400. That provides 10 Windows desktop licenses, 2012 R2 server licenses, SQL Server 2014, current VS pro and - not to forget - five Office 365 E3 accounts and a limited monthly usage of Azure services enough for testing and development. You also get some hours for qualified support, but we've never used it so I can't tell how much that really is worth.
>
>The major limitation was that the VS license is for internal use, excluding "professional" development, but this  is somewhat moot now with the community edition of VS.
>
>You have to sign up as a partner (free) and pass a small test which someone like you can manage with both hands tied on your back.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 11:44
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>
>
>Hi All --
>
>Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -?  http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2 ??
>
>I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:
>
>1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
>2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows ?8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
>3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>-- 
>???????????? ?????? 
>
>_______________________________________________
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>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 25 07:02:04 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 12:02:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB0913C9FB007AA39760B8FF08CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

What about this page that I binged:

https://www.visualstudio.com/products/msdn-subscriptions-vs

and this:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/cc150618.aspx

MSDN is personal.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 25. marts 2015 12:43
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN

 Hi Gustav --

Than you for your comment.

I'd guess VS 2013 Professional with MSDN should cover MAPS licensing features as it's more pricey? 

Does anybody here know for sure or has any links to approve/disapprove my wild guessing?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:27 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I'm not into the details of the different MSDN subscription plans - seems very aimed at enterprises to me.
>
>Now, I don't know if you operate personally or run your activities as a small company. If so, I guess you could sign up for MAPS:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.aspx
>
>We have for years used MAPS at a yearly cost of about ?400. That provides 10 Windows desktop licenses, 2012 R2 server licenses, SQL Server 2014, current VS pro and - not to forget - five Office 365 E3 accounts and a limited monthly usage of Azure services enough for testing and development. You also get some hours for qualified support, but we've never used it so I can't tell how much that really is worth.
>
>The major limitation was that the VS license is for internal use, excluding "professional" development, but this  is somewhat moot now with the community edition of VS.
>
>You have to sign up as a partner (free) and pass a small test which someone like you can manage with both hands tied on your back.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 11:44
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>
>
>Hi All --
>
>Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -?  http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2 ??
>
>I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:
>
>1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
>2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows ?8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
>3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>-- 
>???????????? ?????? 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 25 14:19:36 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:19:36 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_Professional_2013_with_MSDN?=
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB0913C9FB007AA39760B8FF08CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB0913C9FB007AA39760B8FF08CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1427311176.814919666@f31.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, MAPS looks more attractive.
But to get it I have to register a local company. Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:02 PM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>What about this page that I binged:
>
>https://www.visualstudio.com/products/msdn-subscriptions-vs
>
>and this:
>
>https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/cc150618.aspx
>
>MSDN is personal.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 12:43
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Than you for your comment.
>
>I'd guess VS 2013 Professional with MSDN should cover MAPS licensing features as it's more pricey? 
>
>Does anybody here know for sure or has any links to approve/disapprove my wild guessing?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:27 AM UTC from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>I'm not into the details of the different MSDN subscription plans - seems very aimed at enterprises to me.
>>
>>Now, I don't know if you operate personally or run your activities as a small company. If so, I guess you could sign up for MAPS:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.aspx
>>
>>We have for years used MAPS at a yearly cost of about ?400. That provides 10 Windows desktop licenses, 2012 R2 server licenses, SQL Server 2014, current VS pro and - not to forget - five Office 365 E3 accounts and a limited monthly usage of Azure services enough for testing and development. You also get some hours for qualified support, but we've never used it so I can't tell how much that really is worth.
>>
>>The major limitation was that the VS license is for internal use, excluding "professional" development, but this  is somewhat moot now with the community edition of VS.
>>
>>You have to sign up as a partner (free) and pass a small test which someone like you can manage with both hands tied on your back.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 11:44
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>>
>>
>>Hi All --
>>
>>Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -?  http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2 ??
>>
>>I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:
>>
>>1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
>>2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows ?8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
>>3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>???????????? ?????? 
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Mar 25 14:33:14 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:33:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
In-Reply-To: <1427311176.814919666@f31.i.mail.ru>
References: <AM2PR06MB0913C9FB007AA39760B8FF08CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1427311176.814919666@f31.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS21EF2F0328FCA291C2E524F60B0@phx.gbl>

How about the Shamil Salakhetdinov Conglomerate?  ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:20 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, MAPS looks more attractive.
But to get it I have to register a local company. Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:02 PM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>What about this page that I binged:
>
>https://www.visualstudio.com/products/msdn-subscriptions-vs
>
>and this:
>
>https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/cc150618.aspx
>
>MSDN is personal.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 12:43
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>
> Hi Gustav --
>
>Than you for your comment.
>
>I'd guess VS 2013 Professional with MSDN should cover MAPS licensing features as it's more pricey? 
>
>Does anybody here know for sure or has any links to approve/disapprove my wild guessing?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:27 AM UTC from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>I'm not into the details of the different MSDN subscription plans - seems very aimed at enterprises to me.
>>
>>Now, I don't know if you operate personally or run your activities as a small company. If so, I guess you could sign up for MAPS:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.aspx
>>
>>We have for years used MAPS at a yearly cost of about ?400. That provides 10 Windows desktop licenses, 2012 R2 server licenses, SQL Server 2014, current VS pro and - not to forget - five Office 365 E3 accounts and a limited monthly usage of Azure services enough for testing and development. You also get some hours for qualified support, but we've never used it so I can't tell how much that really is worth.
>>
>>The major limitation was that the VS license is for internal use, excluding "professional" development, but this  is somewhat moot now with the community edition of VS.
>>
>>You have to sign up as a partner (free) and pass a small test which someone like you can manage with both hands tied on your back.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 11:44
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>>
>>
>>Hi All --
>>
>>Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -   http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2  ?
>>
>>I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:
>>
>>1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
>>2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows  8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
>>3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>???????????? ?????? 
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 25 16:02:29 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:02:29 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_Professional_2013_with_MSDN?=
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS21EF2F0328FCA291C2E524F60B0@phx.gbl>
References: <AM2PR06MB0913C9FB007AA39760B8FF08CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1427311176.814919666@f31.i.mail.ru>
	<BLU176-DS21EF2F0328FCA291C2E524F60B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1427317349.472206166@f420.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Dan --

Thank you for your proposal. :)
It does sound too heavy and large on my taste.

Actually one of the company names could be SMSConsulting LLC, where SMS comes from the first letters of my first, middle and last names, and I have got this abbreviation to prefix my program libraries well ahead so widely used now SMS-messaging abbreviation/term.

-- Shamil


Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:33 PM -05:00 from Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>:
>How about the Shamil Salakhetdinov Conglomerate?  ;-)
>
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:20 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Yes, MAPS looks more attractive.
>But to get it I have to register a local company. Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:02 PM UTC from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>What about this page that I binged:
>>
>> https://www.visualstudio.com/products/msdn-subscriptions-vs
>>
>>and this:
>>
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/cc150618.aspx
>>
>>MSDN is personal.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 12:43
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>>
>> Hi Gustav --
>>
>>Than you for your comment.
>>
>>I'd guess VS 2013 Professional with MSDN should cover MAPS licensing features as it's more pricey? 
>>
>>Does anybody here know for sure or has any links to approve/disapprove my wild guessing?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>
>>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:27 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <  gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>>Hi Shamil
>>>
>>>I'm not into the details of the different MSDN subscription plans - seems very aimed at enterprises to me.
>>>
>>>Now, I don't know if you operate personally or run your activities as a small company. If so, I guess you could sign up for MAPS:
>>>
>>>  http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.aspx
>>>
>>>We have for years used MAPS at a yearly cost of about ?400. That provides 10 Windows desktop licenses, 2012 R2 server licenses, SQL Server 2014, current VS pro and - not to forget - five Office 365 E3 accounts and a limited monthly usage of Azure services enough for testing and development. You also get some hours for qualified support, but we've never used it so I can't tell how much that really is worth.
>>>
>>>The major limitation was that the VS license is for internal use, excluding "professional" development, but this  is somewhat moot now with the community edition of VS.
>>>
>>>You have to sign up as a partner (free) and pass a small test which someone like you can manage with both hands tied on your back.
>>>
>>>/gustav
>>>
>>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 11:44
>>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>Emne: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi All --
>>>
>>>Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -  http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2 ?
>>>
>>>I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:
>>>
>>>1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
>>>2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows  8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
>>>3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>???????????? ?????? 
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Mar 25 16:52:59 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:52:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
In-Reply-To: <1427317349.472206166@f420.i.mail.ru>
References: <AM2PR06MB0913C9FB007AA39760B8FF08CA0B0@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<1427311176.814919666@f31.i.mail.ru>	<BLU176-DS21EF2F0328FCA291C2E524F60B0@phx.gbl>
	<1427317349.472206166@f420.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS192A3F13D563E77311D03F60B0@phx.gbl>

Excellent!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN

 Hi Dan --

Thank you for your proposal. :)
It does sound too heavy and large on my taste.

Actually one of the company names could be SMSConsulting LLC, where SMS comes from the first letters of my first, middle and last names, and I have got this abbreviation to prefix my program libraries well ahead so widely used now SMS-messaging abbreviation/term.

-- Shamil


Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:33 PM -05:00 from Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>:
>How about the Shamil Salakhetdinov Conglomerate?  ;-)
>
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:20 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>
> Hi Gustav --
>
>Yes, MAPS looks more attractive.
>But to get it I have to register a local company. Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:02 PM UTC from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>What about this page that I binged:
>>
>> https://www.visualstudio.com/products/msdn-subscriptions-vs
>>
>>and this:
>>
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/cc150618.aspx
>>
>>MSDN is personal.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 12:43
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>>
>> Hi Gustav --
>>
>>Than you for your comment.
>>
>>I'd guess VS 2013 Professional with MSDN should cover MAPS licensing features as it's more pricey? 
>>
>>Does anybody here know for sure or has any links to approve/disapprove my wild guessing?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>
>>Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:27 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <  gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>>Hi Shamil
>>>
>>>I'm not into the details of the different MSDN subscription plans - seems very aimed at enterprises to me.
>>>
>>>Now, I don't know if you operate personally or run your activities as a small company. If so, I guess you could sign up for MAPS:
>>>
>>>  http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/community/mpn/pages/microsoft_action_pack.aspx
>>>
>>>We have for years used MAPS at a yearly cost of about ?400. That provides 10 Windows desktop licenses, 2012 R2 server licenses, SQL Server 2014, current VS pro and - not to forget - five Office 365 E3 accounts and a limited monthly usage of Azure services enough for testing and development. You also get some hours for qualified support, but we've never used it so I can't tell how much that really is worth.
>>>
>>>The major limitation was that the VS license is for internal use, excluding "professional" development, but this  is somewhat moot now with the community edition of VS.
>>>
>>>You have to sign up as a partner (free) and pass a small test which someone like you can manage with both hands tied on your back.
>>>
>>>/gustav
>>>
>>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>>Sendt: 25. marts 2015 11:44
>>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>Emne: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi All --
>>>
>>>Does anybody of you uses Visual Studio Professional 2013 with MSDN -  http://tinyurl.com/pnmrqp2 ?
>>>
>>>I have failed to find the following info quickly - do you know:
>>>
>>>1. Does the nowadays' purchase of the subject MSDN include VS 2015 subscription when it will be released later this year?
>>>2. Does the subject MSDN include subscription on MS Windows  8.1 and to be released MS Windows 10?
>>>3. How many licenses the subject subscription provides - just one or more?
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>???????????? ?????? 
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Mar 26 09:13:06 2015
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:13:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - New and Deprecated Lists
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHdYC3XP4BVuBgeRq=uyH_od053ynCFvkTerjfGNv48BA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

A while back there was a suggestion to create a new list, dba-VS, to
discuss Visual Studio development. We are going to go ahead with that
suggestion.

Since this list would include VB.net development, the dba-VB list will
be deprecated and no new posts will be allowed. The archives will
remain for the foreseeable future however.

All existing members of the dba-VB list will automatically transferred
to the new list.

These changes will take place by the end of the week and an
announcement will be made.

As always, if you have any questions/concerns please don't hesitate to
get in touch.

Your friendly neighborhood listmaster,
Bryan

--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Mar 26 14:27:22 2015
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:27:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - dba-VS List is LIVE!!!
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Hi All,

The new dba-VS list, to discuss Visual Studio development is now live
and ready for use (but please no abuse :)

All the old DBA-VB members have been migrated over to the dba-VS list
and should have received a subscription notice.

You shouldn't have to do anything, except post to the new list using
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 27 00:59:05 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 23:59:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Single slit interference
In-Reply-To: <5510F58F.8080103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1188525338.33408896.1427435945634.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Definitely interesting...this link will be dropped on the desktop for further viewing.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:26:39 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Single slit interference

Cool stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CmbItRjM-Y

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 08:19:50 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:19:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Single slit interference
In-Reply-To: <1188525338.33408896.1427435945634.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1188525338.33408896.1427435945634.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <551558F6.5070905@gmail.com>

I am not a physicist so much of this is lost on me but I found the whole 
concept of "each point of a wave being a source for an identical wave" 
fascinating.  The guy does a remarkable job of explaining this 
graphically, along with the "how and why" of interference.

One thing I wish he had covered is what happens with full spectrum 
light.  He discusses it in terms of single wavelength (color) light, and 
how you get specific points of sum (bright) and the rest interference 
(dark).  I think that this is why we see a spectrum with full spectrum 
light, each color sums only at a single point(s) on "the wall" but of 
course this implies that we would see a full spectrum, much fainter, on 
either side of the major point.

BTW this same guy does other videos, one of which is about polarization, 
what it is, and what "circular polizarization" is, and how they use that 
in 3D movie glasses.  More cool stuff.

That is one of the cool things about YouTube, when you find an 
interesting subject (or author) you can poke around for similar stuff.

At any rate, in the photo-spectrometer I built

http://publiclaboratory.org/wiki/desktop-spectrometry-kit-3-0

They use a single slit on the end you see in this photograph, to "pre 
filter" the light before sending it through a diffraction grating.  It 
seems that the slit is used to crudely polarize the light, i.e. only 
accept light waves rippling in a specific direction.  Horizontal to the 
box if I visualize it correctly. Though I could be wrong about that.

One thing I am certain of, there are far smarter minds than mine and 
that is a good thing generally.

John W. Colby

On 3/27/2015 1:59 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Definitely interesting...this link will be dropped on the desktop for further viewing.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:26:39 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Single slit interference
>
> Cool stuff.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CmbItRjM-Y
>


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Mar 27 14:57:23 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:57:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Thank you all
Message-ID: <010001d068c8$3e095010$ba1bf030$@winhaven.net>

Hi All,

I have stepped down from any role of responsibility with Database Advisors.

 

I want to thank everyone involved with the running of Database Advisors over
the years, especially:

Keith Williamson, our Treasurer - the man who keeps it all paid for 

Bryan Carbonnell, our List Master - the man who keeps it all working 

Jim Lawrence, our Web Master - the man who keeps it all out there for the
public

And all of our moderators, current and throughout the years, Gary,
Francisco, Bryan, Andy, Debbie, Donna, Lembit, Martin, Mike, Reuben, Roz,
(and anyone I missed). While you have not needed to moderate much, it does
still take time, and without you, we may have had chaos ;-)

 

I would also like to thank all of our list members for participating. Your
questions, answers and comments have lead us all to greater knowledge and
you have participated in a manner that creates camaraderie.

 

I wish Database Advisors and all of you the best!

Sincerely,

John Bartow