From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 5 11:48:00 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:48:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <1446132380.754794386@f65.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi All: It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. http://tek.io/1MKSnbO The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Nov 5 12:28:27 2015 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:28:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <563B9FCB.7040208@earthlink.net> On 2015-11-05 11:48 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. With many such devices, including mine, the OS delivers that capability, no app required. PB ----- > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 5 14:24:53 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:24:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Two factor authentication In-Reply-To: <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1622047899.7817037.1446755093003.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi All: Here is an interesting vid on using Steve Gibson's solution for using two part authentication. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKxzTPOZKU The software is completely open source so integrating it within our own applications should not be difficult. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Nov 5 15:55:05 2015 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 07:55:05 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1446132380.754794386@f65.i.mail.ru>, <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <563BD039.18939.19138DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I don't need no steeenkin app. I just use the built in capabilities of my Android phone :) On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC > effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out > on all platforms. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 5 16:20:10 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:20:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <563BD039.18939.19138DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1636203933.7911101.1446762010479.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 1:55:05 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer I don't need no steeenkin app. I just use the built in capabilities of my Android phone :) On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC > effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out > on all platforms. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 22:05:08 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 23:05:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <563BD039.18939.19138DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1446132380.754794386@f65.i.mail.ru> <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <563BD039.18939.19138DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <563C26F4.2070502@Gmail.com> I use a Samsung Tab S 8.5 driving a real monitor via a little usb video dongle widget. Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. I then remote desktop into a server and it (mostly) is identical to doing the same from a PC. All over a wifi provided by my phone. It is possible that I could do the same natively on my Samsung Tab4 phone (video monitor / bluetooth mouse and keyboard) and skip the tablet entirely. I will try that next time I am on the boat where ATM I do not have a PC. I bought a little dongle thingie that connects between my tablet and the video monitor. For a little while I was using RD directly on a Samsung TAB S 10.5 but the native resolution of the tablet was so high and the screen so small that it was darned difficult to read the tiny little text. Thus the 22" Monitor. I just leave the monitor (and dongle video adapter) / keyboard / mouse on the boat, and carry my tablet back and forth. Technology is wonderful... when it works. On 11/5/2015 4:55 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I don't need no steeenkin app. I just use the built in capabilities of my Android phone :) > > On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC >> effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. >> >> http://tek.io/1MKSnbO >> >> The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out >> on all platforms. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > . > -- John W. Colby From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 22:07:31 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 23:07:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <563B9FCB.7040208@earthlink.net> References: <1475065215.7674430.1446745680620.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <563B9FCB.7040208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <563C2783.5040002@Gmail.com> Yep, built right into my verizon version of my Samsung Note 4. On 11/5/2015 1:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2015-11-05 11:48 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi All: >> >> It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC >> effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. >> >> http://tek.io/1MKSnbO >> >> The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out >> on all platforms. > > With many such devices, including mine, the OS delivers that > capability, no app required. > > PB > > ----- > >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Nov 5 22:34:12 2015 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 14:34:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <563C26F4.2070502@Gmail.com> References: <1446132380.754794386@f65.i.mail.ru>, <563BD039.18939.19138DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <563C26F4.2070502@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <563C2DC4.4216.1A80F679@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> What's the make and model of the video dongle widget? I want one! And OT, how's the Morgan OI working out? -- Stuart On 5 Nov 2015 at 23:05, John Colby wrote: > I use a Samsung Tab S 8.5 driving a real monitor via a little usb > video dongle widget. Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. I then remote > desktop into a server and it (mostly) is identical to doing the same > from a PC. All over a wifi provided by my phone. > > It is possible that I could do the same natively on my Samsung Tab4 > phone (video monitor / bluetooth mouse and keyboard) and skip the > tablet entirely. I will try that next time I am on the boat where ATM > I do not have a PC. > > I bought a little dongle thingie that connects between my tablet and > the video monitor. > > For a little while I was using RD directly on a Samsung TAB S 10.5 but > the native resolution of the tablet was so high and the screen so > small that it was darned difficult to read the tiny little text. Thus > the 22" Monitor. > > I just leave the monitor (and dongle video adapter) / keyboard / mouse > on the boat, and carry my tablet back and forth. > > Technology is wonderful... when it works. From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 22:58:33 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 23:58:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <563C2DC4.4216.1A80F679@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1446132380.754794386@f65.i.mail.ru> <563BD039.18939.19138DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <563C26F4.2070502@Gmail.com> <563C2DC4.4216.1A80F679@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <563C3379.1070907@Gmail.com> Stuart, I think this is the one. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-micro-usb-to-hdmi-adapter-white/2003027.p?id=1219068212097&skuId=2003027 I left it on the boat so am not absolutely sure. It works great with the sole problem that: 1) You have to provide the HDMI cable - standard male-male 2) You have to provide the power adapter. This is an issue because while it does pass power through to the tablet, it still very slowly discharges. At least with the adapter I was using. But hey, it does what it says it will and my tablet turns into a little dumb terminal. It really doesn't take much horsepower to do RD functionality. Plus I can now surf the web etc on a large monitor via my little android tablet. Complete with mouse and keyboard. Of course there are times when you just have to physically touch the screen, specifically for the back button and home button which cannot be "touched" with the mouse. I am remoting into a VM server, and from there RDing across into multiple different VMs. The remote VMs do what they do and only push video back to me. The OI is working great. It really is a sweet boat and in stellar shape. With the typical "for a 42 year old boat" disclaimer. I replaced the two batteries with matching AGM marine batteries, then had to replace the power cord which was just old and not staying in the stanchion. Now all is cool electrically. I had to pay to repack the stuffing box which was leaking badly. Luckily I found a skinny kid to wiggle down through an access hatch in the quarter berth into the area aft of the motor and do it. So that is fixed. You know, sailboat stuff. Those two things were my only "gotta do this immediately" things. I spent 11 days mostly motoring it back down to North Carolina. Came home and spent three weeks back here, a week back over there, two weeks home. Next week back at the boat. Not getting as much boat time as I would like but that is my own doing. On 11/5/2015 11:34 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > What's the make and model of the video dongle widget? I want one! > > And OT, how's the Morgan OI working out? > > -- John W. Colby From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 6 03:06:34 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:06:34 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Message-ID: Hi Jim Also in Windows 10 Home/Pro it is out of the box. Actually, even during install, Windows 10 asks you if you want this feature implemented. /gustav On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. > > Jim From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Nov 6 12:29:50 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:29:50 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Christmas is coming! Message-ID: 10 Features That Make Microsoft Band 2 a Strong Wearable Option https://tinyurl.com/oy96h9n Think I may get one for me to link up to my Lumia and one for my wife to link to her iPhone :-) From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 7 15:36:20 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:36:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Christmas is coming! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <346344381.9396095.1446932180898.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> It does look like that product is the product to beat...best of its kind. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Off Topic" , "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:29:50 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Christmas is coming! 10 Features That Make Microsoft Band 2 a Strong Wearable Option https://tinyurl.com/oy96h9n Think I may get one for me to link up to my Lumia and one for my wife to link to her iPhone :-) _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 8 11:13:31 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:13:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <817280555.9780958.1447002811698.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Gustav: That is good to know. So does that mean you can make a Windows 10 box into a WiFi hub? But only Home and Professional versions? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 1:06:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Jim Also in Windows 10 Home/Pro it is out of the box. Actually, even during install, Windows 10 asks you if you want this feature implemented. /gustav On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. > > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Nov 8 11:20:36 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:20:36 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <817280555.9780958.1447002811698.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: , <817280555.9780958.1447002811698.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I don't know. All my computers are hooked up to our Active Directory and then, I believe, you can't. As long as you stay with HomeGroup, I guess you can. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. november 2015 18:13 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Gustav: That is good to know. So does that mean you can make a Windows 10 box into a WiFi hub? But only Home and Professional versions? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 1:06:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Jim Also in Windows 10 Home/Pro it is out of the box. Actually, even during install, Windows 10 asks you if you want this feature implemented. /gustav On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. > > Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 8 13:39:02 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 12:39:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2105863742.9844499.1447011542420.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Gustav: So, if I understand you, if someone had a stand-alone Windows 10 station then it could be made into a WiFi hotspot but not otherwise...not as part of a network? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 9:20:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer I don't know. All my computers are hooked up to our Active Directory and then, I believe, you can't. As long as you stay with HomeGroup, I guess you can. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. november 2015 18:13 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Gustav: That is good to know. So does that mean you can make a Windows 10 box into a WiFi hub? But only Home and Professional versions? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 1:06:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Jim Also in Windows 10 Home/Pro it is out of the box. Actually, even during install, Windows 10 asks you if you want this feature implemented. /gustav On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. > > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Nov 8 14:36:51 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:36:51 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: <2105863742.9844499.1447011542420.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: , <2105863742.9844499.1447011542420.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Hi Jim That's what I believe - or when hooked up in a HomeGroup. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. november 2015 20:39 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Gustav: So, if I understand you, if someone had a stand-alone Windows 10 station then it could be made into a WiFi hotspot but not otherwise...not as part of a network? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 9:20:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer I don't know. All my computers are hooked up to our Active Directory and then, I believe, you can't. As long as you stay with HomeGroup, I guess you can. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. november 2015 18:13 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Gustav: That is good to know. So does that mean you can make a Windows 10 box into a WiFi hub? But only Home and Professional versions? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 1:06:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Jim Also in Windows 10 Home/Pro it is out of the box. Actually, even during install, Windows 10 asks you if you want this feature implemented. /gustav On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. > > Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 8 21:51:15 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:51:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1289463488.10051848.1447041075073.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Gustav: I can see how a WiFi hotspot might be very useful in a network environment especially if the signal receipts could be managed and monitored. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:36:51 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Jim That's what I believe - or when hooked up in a HomeGroup. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. november 2015 20:39 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Gustav: So, if I understand you, if someone had a stand-alone Windows 10 station then it could be made into a WiFi hotspot but not otherwise...not as part of a network? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 9:20:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer I don't know. All my computers are hooked up to our Active Directory and then, I believe, you can't. As long as you stay with HomeGroup, I guess you can. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. november 2015 18:13 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Gustav: That is good to know. So does that mean you can make a Windows 10 box into a WiFi hub? But only Home and Professional versions? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 1:06:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tethering your computer Hi Jim Also in Windows 10 Home/Pro it is out of the box. Actually, even during install, Windows 10 asks you if you want this feature implemented. /gustav On 5 Nov 2015 at 10:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > It is becoming the new trend to tether you cellphone/tablet or PC effectively making them a WiFi hotspot. > > http://tek.io/1MKSnbO > > The above list is a small one as there are becoming numerous apps out on all platforms. > > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Nov 9 16:27:24 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 01:27:24 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Quiz=3A_What_ASP=2ENET_CMS/Framework_results?= =?utf-8?q?_in_=22CobaltControls=2EControls=2EDisplayList=22_=27signature?= =?utf-8?q?=27_in_web_pages=27_HTML=3F?= Message-ID: <1447108044.897948187@f316.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- Here is a quiz/question: The following ASP.NET web sites * modular.ca * lascfit.com * hbplawyers.com * bvlfamilydental.com * deepchill.com.au all have? CobaltControls.Controls.DisplayList 'signature' in their web pages' HTML. Do you know what CMS/Framework.... is used to develop the above web sites? I have tried to google/bing/yandex - and I failed to find what CMS/Framework these 'CobaltControls.Controls.x' are originated from. BTW, all the web sites work well with both desktop and mobile devices. Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 17:22:59 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:22:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Restore Windows 10 to initial install state Message-ID: Somewhere I read an article about how to restore WIndows 10 to its initial install state, which is purportedly much quicker than re-installing completely. Now I cannot seem to find the article or web page. Does anybody know how to do this, or can you point me to the original article on the web? Thanks, -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 17:27:44 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:27:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Restore Windows 10 to initial install state In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Figures! I found it right after clicking Send. In case you need to do this ever, here is the link. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somewhere I read an article about how to restore WIndows 10 to its initial > install state, which is purportedly much quicker than re-installing > completely. Now I cannot seem to find the article or web page. Does anybody > know how to do this, or can you point me to the original article on the web? > > Thanks, > > -- > Arthur > > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Nov 10 21:57:00 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:57:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Restore Windows 10 to initial install state In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1851971845.696683.1447214220400.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Arthur: Good, quick research. I will store this solution away for another time. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 3:27:44 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Restore Windows 10 to initial install state Figures! I found it right after clicking Send. In case you need to do this ever, here is the link. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somewhere I read an article about how to restore WIndows 10 to its initial > install state, which is purportedly much quicker than re-installing > completely. Now I cannot seem to find the article or web page. Does anybody > know how to do this, or can you point me to the original article on the web? > > Thanks, > > -- > Arthur > > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 09:55:05 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:55:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD Message-ID: <564364D9.6010004@Gmail.com> My laptop died the saltwater death. :( The Samsung 840 EVO 500K SSD however survived. :) I decided that I need a CHEAP machine to leave on the boat, so I just purchased a low end ASUS laptop, open box from Egghead. Dual core i5 2.2 ghz with 8 gigs RAM, no touch (yep, still exists) but with a 500g 5K RPM drive. The drive is killing the performance. It had Windows 8.1 on it. I cannot express how badly Windows 8.x sucks. With no touch... whooo doggy dies it suck even worse. Try operating Windows 8.x with a touch pad. Woof, what a dog! :) I dug out a mouse, then allowed it to install the 168 updates, THEN it decided to allow upgrade to Windows 10. I am actually quite impressed with the Windows 10 upgrade experience, at least from a new Windows 8.1 install. I started it running, came back many hours later and it was logged back in to my Windows 10 install. Windows 10 with classic Shell is quite usable. Once I got rid of the desktop and all of it's constantly flashing crap, and of course turned off all the spy crap / advertisement servicing, it is back to being an OS which runs my programs. I have been using that on my Dell All-In-One desktop for about a month now, and if it weren't for the horrid "modern" look (and upgrades I can't control) I wouldn't really know it wasn't Windows 7. So back to my low end laptop. I am in the process of copying all of the good (user data) stuff off of the salvaged Samsung SSD onto backup, and will format and system prep / migrate my Windows 10 install onto my Samsung SSD. Unfortunately the laptop has to be disassembled (really just opened) to replace the drive. It looks like just 8 screws. Since an Open Box has no warranty anyway... But hey it was cheap at about $400 shipped. I hope to have the SSD in it by the end of today, which should allow it to be a reasonably fast little machine. -- John W. Colby From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Nov 11 10:09:18 2015 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:09:18 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst Message-ID: Not seeing my own emails !!! could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com Wed Nov 11 10:10:20 2015 From: Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com (Zimmer, Michael) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:10:20 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C72231A8F046@sfldmiex022> Yes, I got your email. Michael S. Zimmer Information Systems Production Support Federal-Mogul Powertrain Manitowoc, WI USA Office: 920-684-7881 ext 2212 eMail: michael.zimmer at federalmogul.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst Not seeing my own emails !!! could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Nov 11 10:13:28 2015 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:13:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: <6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C72231A8F046@sfldmiex022> References: <6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C72231A8F046@sfldmiex022> Message-ID: ok thank you, can try sending my question again now...so confused lol On 11 November 2015 at 16:10, Zimmer, Michael < Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com> wrote: > Yes, > > I got your email. > > Michael S. Zimmer > Information Systems Production Support > Federal-Mogul Powertrain > Manitowoc, WI USA > Office: 920-684-7881 ext 2212 > eMail: michael.zimmer at federalmogul.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Paul Hartland > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:09 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst > > Not seeing my own emails !!! > > could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 10:13:36 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:13:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> yep. I don't see my own emails to the lists either. On 11/11/2015 11:09 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > Not seeing my own emails !!! > > could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. > -- John W. Colby From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Nov 11 10:16:04 2015 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:16:04 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving To Windows 10 - Again..... Message-ID: To All, I moved to Windows 10 from 7 home edition the very first day that I was able to, then going back to my old operating system within 2 days dues to patchy broadband connectivity, uninstalled windows 10 and kaboom constant internet connection again 100mb....anyway I think I want to try and bite the bullet again as for some reason I did quite like the look and feel of Windows 10 and have heard that there are certain settings you can turn off, I think these may of been affecting my broadband last time.... So basically does anyone know where I turn all the dodgy stuff off and what to turn off an what to leave on etc ? -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Nov 11 10:16:56 2015 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:16:56 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> References: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> Message-ID: ah ok, maybe me then, just resent the question...Will have to remember that. Thank you... On 11 November 2015 at 16:13, John Colby wrote: > yep. I don't see my own emails to the lists either. > > On 11/11/2015 11:09 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > >> Not seeing my own emails !!! >> >> could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. >> >> > -- > John W. Colby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 10:24:41 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:24:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving To Windows 10 - Again..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56436BC9.3030705@Gmail.com> Just google "turn off Windows spying" and you will get a handful of articles. Go down through them to find out what they do and whether you want to turn them off. I pretty much turned off everything. I desire an OS, not an advertisement server. But that is just me! :) On 11/11/2015 11:16 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > To All, > > I moved to Windows 10 from 7 home edition the very first day that I was > able to, then going back to my old operating system within 2 days dues to > patchy broadband connectivity, uninstalled windows 10 and kaboom constant > internet connection again 100mb....anyway I think I want to try and bite > the bullet again as for some reason I did quite like the look and feel of > Windows 10 and have heard that there are certain settings you can turn off, > I think these may of been affecting my broadband last time.... > > So basically does anyone know where I turn all the dodgy stuff off and what > to turn off an what to leave on etc ? > -- John W. Colby From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 10:25:07 2015 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:25:07 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> References: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> Message-ID: There is an user option to "see your own posts to the list" that you should check...... http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:13 AM, John Colby wrote: > yep. I don't see my own emails to the lists either. > > On 11/11/2015 11:09 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: >> >> Not seeing my own emails !!! >> >> could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. >> > > -- > John W. Colby > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Nov 11 10:39:03 2015 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:39:03 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: References: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah thank you.. On 11 November 2015 at 16:25, Gary Kjos wrote: > There is an user option to "see your own posts to the list" that you > should check...... > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:13 AM, John Colby wrote: > > yep. I don't see my own emails to the lists either. > > > > On 11/11/2015 11:09 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > >> > >> Not seeing my own emails !!! > >> > >> could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. > >> > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Nov 11 10:43:34 2015 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:43:34 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving To Windows 10 - Again..... In-Reply-To: <56436BC9.3030705@Gmail.com> References: <56436BC9.3030705@Gmail.com> Message-ID: ok, thank you again.. On 11 November 2015 at 16:24, John Colby wrote: > Just google "turn off Windows spying" and you will get a handful of > articles. Go down through them to find out what they do and whether you > want to turn them off. > > I pretty much turned off everything. I desire an OS, not an advertisement > server. But that is just me! :) > > On 11/11/2015 11:16 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > >> To All, >> >> I moved to Windows 10 from 7 home edition the very first day that I was >> able to, then going back to my old operating system within 2 days dues to >> patchy broadband connectivity, uninstalled windows 10 and kaboom constant >> internet connection again 100mb....anyway I think I want to try and bite >> the bullet again as for some reason I did quite like the look and feel of >> Windows 10 and have heard that there are certain settings you can turn >> off, >> I think these may of been affecting my broadband last time.... >> >> So basically does anyone know where I turn all the dodgy stuff off and >> what >> to turn off an what to leave on etc ? >> >> > -- > John W. Colby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 10:49:22 2015 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:49:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: References: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Nope that's not it. It's a GMail issue. GMail thinks that since you sent the email to the list, you don't want/need to see your own post. Big Ugly link: http://wiki.list.org/DOC/I%20use%20Gmail-Googlemail%2C%20but%20I%20can%27t%20tell%20if%20any%20of%20my%20messages%20have%20been%20posted%20to%20the%20list Short unknown desstination link:) http://preview.tinyurl.com/o7lxgnr B On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > There is an user option to "see your own posts to the list" that you > should check...... > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:13 AM, John Colby wrote: >> yep. I don't see my own emails to the lists either. >> >> On 11/11/2015 11:09 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: >>> >>> Not seeing my own emails !!! >>> >>> could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. >>> >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Nov 11 11:49:36 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:49:36 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux Ransomware targeting Servers and Threatening Webmasters to Pay Message-ID: <00c001d11ca9$55709f70$0051de50$@winhaven.net> So much for the untouchables: http://tinyurl.com/qf5fgnl From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 12:11:38 2015 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:11:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Linux Ransomware targeting Servers and Threatening Webmasters to Pay In-Reply-To: <00c001d11ca9$55709f70$0051de50$@winhaven.net> References: <00c001d11ca9$55709f70$0051de50$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: That can't be can it? ;-) GK On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:49 AM, John R Bartow wrote: > So much for the untouchables: > > http://tinyurl.com/qf5fgnl > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Nov 11 12:40:25 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:40:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD In-Reply-To: <564364D9.6010004@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1769243607.1140317.1447267225543.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi John: I have found that no electrical equipment survives long on a boat... ;-) ...unless it is clean and dry. Yesterday I migrated a Window 7, netbook (a great travelling machine) to Windows 10. This was in hope that performance would improve. It didn't so the plan is to exchange the hard drive for a SSD drive. Now if that doesn't work its going to a Debian Linux with a Mate desktop...and then it will run fast. Aside: I bought a cheap ($2.87+tax from the Dollar store) mini mouse with retractable wire. When I have had enough of the touch pad and have the room, the mouse is a welcomed relief. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:55:05 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD My laptop died the saltwater death. :( The Samsung 840 EVO 500K SSD however survived. :) I decided that I need a CHEAP machine to leave on the boat, so I just purchased a low end ASUS laptop, open box from Egghead. Dual core i5 2.2 ghz with 8 gigs RAM, no touch (yep, still exists) but with a 500g 5K RPM drive. The drive is killing the performance. It had Windows 8.1 on it. I cannot express how badly Windows 8.x sucks. With no touch... whooo doggy dies it suck even worse. Try operating Windows 8.x with a touch pad. Woof, what a dog! :) I dug out a mouse, then allowed it to install the 168 updates, THEN it decided to allow upgrade to Windows 10. I am actually quite impressed with the Windows 10 upgrade experience, at least from a new Windows 8.1 install. I started it running, came back many hours later and it was logged back in to my Windows 10 install. Windows 10 with classic Shell is quite usable. Once I got rid of the desktop and all of it's constantly flashing crap, and of course turned off all the spy crap / advertisement servicing, it is back to being an OS which runs my programs. I have been using that on my Dell All-In-One desktop for about a month now, and if it weren't for the horrid "modern" look (and upgrades I can't control) I wouldn't really know it wasn't Windows 7. So back to my low end laptop. I am in the process of copying all of the good (user data) stuff off of the salvaged Samsung SSD onto backup, and will format and system prep / migrate my Windows 10 install onto my Samsung SSD. Unfortunately the laptop has to be disassembled (really just opened) to replace the drive. It looks like just 8 screws. Since an Open Box has no warranty anyway... But hey it was cheap at about $400 shipped. I hope to have the SSD in it by the end of today, which should allow it to be a reasonably fast little machine. -- John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Nov 11 12:45:00 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:45:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1458815536.1143543.1447267500781.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Thank you Bryan. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:49:22 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TEst Nope that's not it. It's a GMail issue. GMail thinks that since you sent the email to the list, you don't want/need to see your own post. Big Ugly link: http://wiki.list.org/DOC/I%20use%20Gmail-Googlemail%2C%20but%20I%20can%27t%20tell%20if%20any%20of%20my%20messages%20have%20been%20posted%20to%20the%20list Short unknown desstination link:) http://preview.tinyurl.com/o7lxgnr B On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > There is an user option to "see your own posts to the list" that you > should check...... > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:13 AM, John Colby wrote: >> yep. I don't see my own emails to the lists either. >> >> On 11/11/2015 11:09 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: >>> >>> Not seeing my own emails !!! >>> >>> could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. >>> >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 20:57:56 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:57:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] TEst In-Reply-To: References: <56436930.2010203@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <56440034.8040909@Gmail.com> I always wondered. I used to see my responses. Of course I used to have my own mail server ColbyConsulting.com On 11/11/2015 11:49 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Nope that's not it. It's a GMail issue. > > GMail thinks that since you sent the email to the list, you don't > want/need to see your own post. > > Big Ugly link: > http://wiki.list.org/DOC/I%20use%20Gmail-Googlemail%2C%20but%20I%20can%27t%20tell%20if%20any%20of%20my%20messages%20have%20been%20posted%20to%20the%20list > > Short unknown desstination link:) > http://preview.tinyurl.com/o7lxgnr > > B > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: >> There is an user option to "see your own posts to the list" that you >> should check...... >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:13 AM, John Colby wrote: >>> yep. I don't see my own emails to the lists either. >>> >>> On 11/11/2015 11:09 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: >>>> Not seeing my own emails !!! >>>> >>>> could someone please reply if they see any emails from me. >>>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- John W. Colby From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 21:23:02 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:23:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD In-Reply-To: <1769243607.1140317.1447267225543.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1769243607.1140317.1447267225543.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <56440616.5010709@Gmail.com> OK, MY disk replacement was ... a mess and I screwed it up. Sigh. Inside of the machine, the disk had a ribbon cable running right over the top of it, in fact glued down to the disk. The disk and it's circuit board had to be unscrewed, and pulled out, then the disk unscrewed from a carrier and slid out of the connector, the new disk slid into the connector and screwed into the carrier, then the carrier slid back into place and screwed back down. This ribbon cable went from the circuit board that is the disk controller, physically over the original disk, glued down to the original disk, then over to the edge of the case and serves signals to: 1) The memory card reader 2) The headphone / mic plug 3) The 2.0 USB plug. Super sigh!!! :( I had no choice but to unplug the cable and unglue it from the disk. Sadly it was not possible to get that ribbon back in place. It had a teeny tiny little white strip that jammed into the connector to hold the cable in and the pins pressed down to the circuit board. And of course I did not have the correct tool to push it back into place. I actually broke that little widget trying to force it back into the socket over the top of the cable. So... the disk replacement worked but I lost usage of those three IO ports. That is to say that the SSD does in fact work, but now those three ports on the edge of the case do not. I might be able to cut some strips of plastic and jam them into place into the little connectors, over the top of the ribbon cable. Jury Rig it IOW. I haven't tried that and am not sure that I will ever get around to trying. The only saving grace is that HOLY CANNOLI is the computer FASTER!!!!! It went from 30 seconds to boot to maybe 3 seconds??? Similar results for loading a browser, or any other program. Insanely fast. Well, relative to the same experience with a 5K RPM rotating disk. So I knew going in that this was not a "user replaceable" disk drive. I have always managed, this time not so. Had the drive not worked I would have been really unhappy. -- John W. Colby On 11/11/2015 1:40 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > I have found that no electrical equipment survives long on a boat... ;-) ...unless it is clean and dry. > > Yesterday I migrated a Window 7, netbook (a great travelling machine) to Windows 10. This was in hope that performance would improve. It didn't so the plan is to exchange the hard drive for a SSD drive. Now if that doesn't work its going to a Debian Linux with a Mate desktop...and then it will run fast. > > Aside: I bought a cheap ($2.87+tax from the Dollar store) mini mouse with retractable wire. When I have had enough of the touch pad and have the room, the mouse is a welcomed relief. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:55:05 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD > > My laptop died the saltwater death. :( > > The Samsung 840 EVO 500K SSD however survived. :) > > I decided that I need a CHEAP machine to leave on the boat, so I just > purchased a low end ASUS laptop, open box from Egghead. Dual core i5 > 2.2 ghz with 8 gigs RAM, no touch (yep, still exists) but with a 500g 5K > RPM drive. The drive is killing the performance. > > It had Windows 8.1 on it. I cannot express how badly Windows 8.x > sucks. With no touch... whooo doggy dies it suck even worse. Try > operating Windows 8.x with a touch pad. Woof, what a dog! :) I dug > out a mouse, then allowed it to install the 168 updates, THEN it decided > to allow upgrade to Windows 10. > > I am actually quite impressed with the Windows 10 upgrade experience, at > least from a new Windows 8.1 install. I started it running, came back > many hours later and it was logged back in to my Windows 10 install. > > Windows 10 with classic Shell is quite usable. Once I got rid of the > desktop and all of it's constantly flashing crap, and of course turned > off all the spy crap / advertisement servicing, it is back to being an > OS which runs my programs. I have been using that on my Dell All-In-One > desktop for about a month now, and if it weren't for the horrid "modern" > look (and upgrades I can't control) I wouldn't really know it wasn't > Windows 7. > > So back to my low end laptop. I am in the process of copying all of > the good (user data) stuff off of the salvaged Samsung SSD onto backup, > and will format and system prep / migrate my Windows 10 install onto my > Samsung SSD. Unfortunately the laptop has to be disassembled (really > just opened) to replace the drive. It looks like just 8 screws. Since > an Open Box has no warranty anyway... But hey it was cheap at about $400 > shipped. > > I hope to have the SSD in it by the end of today, which should allow it > to be a reasonably fast little machine. > -- John W. Colby From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 12 15:42:17 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:42:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD In-Reply-To: <56440616.5010709@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1111565455.2116272.1447364537885.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi John: No wonder I don't fix laptops. I made that decision when disconnecting and re-connecting a video cable from the monitor and loosing the wedge that held the connector in place (10 of these items could fit on your finger tip), I was asked what were the 5 digit number on the back of the connector. I had to use a magnifying glass to see but a microscope would have been better. Here, there is a very fine little company that I have been doing business with for years and they will do a complete backup from any harddrive, remove the spinning rust, install the SSD, re-install the backup and get the OS authenticated if MS wishes it...the price of the SSD, taxes and $40. Best $40 I ever spent. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:23:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD OK, MY disk replacement was ... a mess and I screwed it up. Sigh. Inside of the machine, the disk had a ribbon cable running right over the top of it, in fact glued down to the disk. The disk and it's circuit board had to be unscrewed, and pulled out, then the disk unscrewed from a carrier and slid out of the connector, the new disk slid into the connector and screwed into the carrier, then the carrier slid back into place and screwed back down. This ribbon cable went from the circuit board that is the disk controller, physically over the original disk, glued down to the original disk, then over to the edge of the case and serves signals to: 1) The memory card reader 2) The headphone / mic plug 3) The 2.0 USB plug. Super sigh!!! :( I had no choice but to unplug the cable and unglue it from the disk. Sadly it was not possible to get that ribbon back in place. It had a teeny tiny little white strip that jammed into the connector to hold the cable in and the pins pressed down to the circuit board. And of course I did not have the correct tool to push it back into place. I actually broke that little widget trying to force it back into the socket over the top of the cable. So... the disk replacement worked but I lost usage of those three IO ports. That is to say that the SSD does in fact work, but now those three ports on the edge of the case do not. I might be able to cut some strips of plastic and jam them into place into the little connectors, over the top of the ribbon cable. Jury Rig it IOW. I haven't tried that and am not sure that I will ever get around to trying. The only saving grace is that HOLY CANNOLI is the computer FASTER!!!!! It went from 30 seconds to boot to maybe 3 seconds??? Similar results for loading a browser, or any other program. Insanely fast. Well, relative to the same experience with a 5K RPM rotating disk. So I knew going in that this was not a "user replaceable" disk drive. I have always managed, this time not so. Had the drive not worked I would have been really unhappy. -- John W. Colby On 11/11/2015 1:40 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > I have found that no electrical equipment survives long on a boat... ;-) ...unless it is clean and dry. > > Yesterday I migrated a Window 7, netbook (a great travelling machine) to Windows 10. This was in hope that performance would improve. It didn't so the plan is to exchange the hard drive for a SSD drive. Now if that doesn't work its going to a Debian Linux with a Mate desktop...and then it will run fast. > > Aside: I bought a cheap ($2.87+tax from the Dollar store) mini mouse with retractable wire. When I have had enough of the touch pad and have the room, the mouse is a welcomed relief. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:55:05 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD > > My laptop died the saltwater death. :( > > The Samsung 840 EVO 500K SSD however survived. :) > > I decided that I need a CHEAP machine to leave on the boat, so I just > purchased a low end ASUS laptop, open box from Egghead. Dual core i5 > 2.2 ghz with 8 gigs RAM, no touch (yep, still exists) but with a 500g 5K > RPM drive. The drive is killing the performance. > > It had Windows 8.1 on it. I cannot express how badly Windows 8.x > sucks. With no touch... whooo doggy dies it suck even worse. Try > operating Windows 8.x with a touch pad. Woof, what a dog! :) I dug > out a mouse, then allowed it to install the 168 updates, THEN it decided > to allow upgrade to Windows 10. > > I am actually quite impressed with the Windows 10 upgrade experience, at > least from a new Windows 8.1 install. I started it running, came back > many hours later and it was logged back in to my Windows 10 install. > > Windows 10 with classic Shell is quite usable. Once I got rid of the > desktop and all of it's constantly flashing crap, and of course turned > off all the spy crap / advertisement servicing, it is back to being an > OS which runs my programs. I have been using that on my Dell All-In-One > desktop for about a month now, and if it weren't for the horrid "modern" > look (and upgrades I can't control) I wouldn't really know it wasn't > Windows 7. > > So back to my low end laptop. I am in the process of copying all of > the good (user data) stuff off of the salvaged Samsung SSD onto backup, > and will format and system prep / migrate my Windows 10 install onto my > Samsung SSD. Unfortunately the laptop has to be disassembled (really > just opened) to replace the drive. It looks like just 8 screws. Since > an Open Box has no warranty anyway... But hey it was cheap at about $400 > shipped. > > I hope to have the SSD in it by the end of today, which should allow it > to be a reasonably fast little machine. > -- John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Nov 13 09:32:31 2015 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:32:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD In-Reply-To: <1111565455.2116272.1447364537885.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1111565455.2116272.1447364537885.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <5646028F.1060709@torchlake.com> Hi Jim, Sounds like a company we should all get to know. Name and contact info or web address, please. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 11/12/15 4:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > No wonder I don't fix laptops. > > I made that decision when disconnecting and re-connecting a video cable from the monitor and loosing the wedge that held the connector in place (10 of these items could fit on your finger tip), I was asked what were the 5 digit number on the back of the connector. I had to use a magnifying glass to see but a microscope would have been better. > > Here, there is a very fine little company that I have been doing business with for years and they will do a complete backup from any harddrive, remove the spinning rust, install the SSD, re-install the backup and get the OS authenticated if MS wishes it...the price of the SSD, taxes and $40. Best $40 I ever spent. ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:23:02 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD > > OK, MY disk replacement was ... a mess and I screwed it up. Sigh. > Inside of the machine, the disk had a ribbon cable running right over > the top of it, in fact glued down to the disk. The disk and it's > circuit board had to be unscrewed, and pulled out, then the disk > unscrewed from a carrier and slid out of the connector, the new disk > slid into the connector and screwed into the carrier, then the carrier > slid back into place and screwed back down. > > This ribbon cable went from the circuit board that is the disk > controller, physically over the original disk, glued down to the > original disk, then over to the edge of the case and serves signals to: > > 1) The memory card reader > 2) The headphone / mic plug > 3) The 2.0 USB plug. > > Super sigh!!! :( > > I had no choice but to unplug the cable and unglue it from the disk. > Sadly it was not possible to get that ribbon back in place. It had a > teeny tiny little white strip that jammed into the connector to hold the > cable in and the pins pressed down to the circuit board. And of course > I did not have the correct tool to push it back into place. I actually > broke that little widget trying to force it back into the socket over > the top of the cable. > > So... the disk replacement worked but I lost usage of those three IO > ports. That is to say that the SSD does in fact work, but now those > three ports on the edge of the case do not. I might be able to cut some > strips of plastic and jam them into place into the little connectors, > over the top of the ribbon cable. Jury Rig it IOW. I haven't tried > that and am not sure that I will ever get around to trying. > > The only saving grace is that HOLY CANNOLI is the computer FASTER!!!!! > > It went from 30 seconds to boot to maybe 3 seconds??? Similar results > for loading a browser, or any other program. Insanely fast. Well, > relative to the same experience with a 5K RPM rotating disk. > > So I knew going in that this was not a "user replaceable" disk drive. I > have always managed, this time not so. Had the drive not worked I would > have been really unhappy. > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 13 10:03:19 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:03:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD In-Reply-To: <5646028F.1060709@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <122142219.2753662.1447430599144.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Tina: For the record, here is the IP address to the store: http://boomerscomputers.com The owner, Sean (sp?), has been in business since the late 1980s and like his staff, is an absolute geek. Loves computers; and seems to always be on top of the latest and best. His prices still manage to challenge his box store competitors. (It is as I suspected that box stores expect such a huge margin on their equipment, that even their prices are more. In a nutshell he pays more, sells for less and actually has a decent warranty that isn't an extra cost.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:32:31 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD Hi Jim, Sounds like a company we should all get to know. Name and contact info or web address, please. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 11/12/15 4:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > No wonder I don't fix laptops. > > I made that decision when disconnecting and re-connecting a video cable from the monitor and loosing the wedge that held the connector in place (10 of these items could fit on your finger tip), I was asked what were the 5 digit number on the back of the connector. I had to use a magnifying glass to see but a microscope would have been better. > > Here, there is a very fine little company that I have been doing business with for years and they will do a complete backup from any harddrive, remove the spinning rust, install the SSD, re-install the backup and get the OS authenticated if MS wishes it...the price of the SSD, taxes and $40. Best $40 I ever spent. ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:23:02 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD > > OK, MY disk replacement was ... a mess and I screwed it up. Sigh. > Inside of the machine, the disk had a ribbon cable running right over > the top of it, in fact glued down to the disk. The disk and it's > circuit board had to be unscrewed, and pulled out, then the disk > unscrewed from a carrier and slid out of the connector, the new disk > slid into the connector and screwed into the carrier, then the carrier > slid back into place and screwed back down. > > This ribbon cable went from the circuit board that is the disk > controller, physically over the original disk, glued down to the > original disk, then over to the edge of the case and serves signals to: > > 1) The memory card reader > 2) The headphone / mic plug > 3) The 2.0 USB plug. > > Super sigh!!! :( > > I had no choice but to unplug the cable and unglue it from the disk. > Sadly it was not possible to get that ribbon back in place. It had a > teeny tiny little white strip that jammed into the connector to hold the > cable in and the pins pressed down to the circuit board. And of course > I did not have the correct tool to push it back into place. I actually > broke that little widget trying to force it back into the socket over > the top of the cable. > > So... the disk replacement worked but I lost usage of those three IO > ports. That is to say that the SSD does in fact work, but now those > three ports on the edge of the case do not. I might be able to cut some > strips of plastic and jam them into place into the little connectors, > over the top of the ribbon cable. Jury Rig it IOW. I haven't tried > that and am not sure that I will ever get around to trying. > > The only saving grace is that HOLY CANNOLI is the computer FASTER!!!!! > > It went from 30 seconds to boot to maybe 3 seconds??? Similar results > for loading a browser, or any other program. Insanely fast. Well, > relative to the same experience with a 5K RPM rotating disk. > > So I knew going in that this was not a "user replaceable" disk drive. I > have always managed, this time not so. Had the drive not worked I would > have been really unhappy. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 13 10:17:47 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 08:17:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD In-Reply-To: <122142219.2753662.1447430599144.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <5646028F.1060709@torchlake.com> <122142219.2753662.1447430599144.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <8010092A31D74E699EB2D1C9EE15D2E5@HAL9007> And you're going to love the drive over to the store - gorgeous scenery all along the way. :) r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD Hi Tina: For the record, here is the IP address to the store: http://boomerscomputers.com The owner, Sean (sp?), has been in business since the late 1980s and like his staff, is an absolute geek. Loves computers; and seems to always be on top of the latest and best. His prices still manage to challenge his box store competitors. (It is as I suspected that box stores expect such a huge margin on their equipment, that even their prices are more. In a nutshell he pays more, sells for less and actually has a decent warranty that isn't an extra cost.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:32:31 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD Hi Jim, Sounds like a company we should all get to know. Name and contact info or web address, please. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 11/12/15 4:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > No wonder I don't fix laptops. > > I made that decision when disconnecting and re-connecting a video cable from the monitor and loosing the wedge that held the connector in place (10 of these items could fit on your finger tip), I was asked what were the 5 digit number on the back of the connector. I had to use a magnifying glass to see but a microscope would have been better. > > Here, there is a very fine little company that I have been doing > business with for years and they will do a complete backup from any > harddrive, remove the spinning rust, install the SSD, re-install the > backup and get the OS authenticated if MS wishes it...the price of the > SSD, taxes and $40. Best $40 I ever spent. ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:23:02 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD > > OK, MY disk replacement was ... a mess and I screwed it up. Sigh. > Inside of the machine, the disk had a ribbon cable running right over > the top of it, in fact glued down to the disk. The disk and it's > circuit board had to be unscrewed, and pulled out, then the disk > unscrewed from a carrier and slid out of the connector, the new disk > slid into the connector and screwed into the carrier, then the carrier > slid back into place and screwed back down. > > This ribbon cable went from the circuit board that is the disk > controller, physically over the original disk, glued down to the > original disk, then over to the edge of the case and serves signals to: > > 1) The memory card reader > 2) The headphone / mic plug > 3) The 2.0 USB plug. > > Super sigh!!! :( > > I had no choice but to unplug the cable and unglue it from the disk. > Sadly it was not possible to get that ribbon back in place. It had a > teeny tiny little white strip that jammed into the connector to hold > the cable in and the pins pressed down to the circuit board. And of > course I did not have the correct tool to push it back into place. I > actually broke that little widget trying to force it back into the > socket over the top of the cable. > > So... the disk replacement worked but I lost usage of those three IO > ports. That is to say that the SSD does in fact work, but now those > three ports on the edge of the case do not. I might be able to cut > some strips of plastic and jam them into place into the little > connectors, over the top of the ribbon cable. Jury Rig it IOW. I > haven't tried that and am not sure that I will ever get around to trying. > > The only saving grace is that HOLY CANNOLI is the computer FASTER!!!!! > > It went from 30 seconds to boot to maybe 3 seconds??? Similar results > for loading a browser, or any other program. Insanely fast. Well, > relative to the same experience with a 5K RPM rotating disk. > > So I knew going in that this was not a "user replaceable" disk drive. > I have always managed, this time not so. Had the drive not worked I > would have been really unhappy. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 13 10:20:52 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:20:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD In-Reply-To: <8010092A31D74E699EB2D1C9EE15D2E5@HAL9007> Message-ID: <139025818.2770073.1447431652160.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> It just gets prettier as you head further west...and if you like rain, especially this time of year...well what can I say; paradise. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:17:47 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD And you're going to love the drive over to the store - gorgeous scenery all along the way. :) r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD Hi Tina: For the record, here is the IP address to the store: http://boomerscomputers.com The owner, Sean (sp?), has been in business since the late 1980s and like his staff, is an absolute geek. Loves computers; and seems to always be on top of the latest and best. His prices still manage to challenge his box store competitors. (It is as I suspected that box stores expect such a huge margin on their equipment, that even their prices are more. In a nutshell he pays more, sells for less and actually has a decent warranty that isn't an extra cost.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:32:31 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD Hi Jim, Sounds like a company we should all get to know. Name and contact info or web address, please. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 11/12/15 4:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > No wonder I don't fix laptops. > > I made that decision when disconnecting and re-connecting a video cable from the monitor and loosing the wedge that held the connector in place (10 of these items could fit on your finger tip), I was asked what were the 5 digit number on the back of the connector. I had to use a magnifying glass to see but a microscope would have been better. > > Here, there is a very fine little company that I have been doing > business with for years and they will do a complete backup from any > harddrive, remove the spinning rust, install the SSD, re-install the > backup and get the OS authenticated if MS wishes it...the price of the > SSD, taxes and $40. Best $40 I ever spent. ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:23:02 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New machine migrate to SSD > > OK, MY disk replacement was ... a mess and I screwed it up. Sigh. > Inside of the machine, the disk had a ribbon cable running right over > the top of it, in fact glued down to the disk. The disk and it's > circuit board had to be unscrewed, and pulled out, then the disk > unscrewed from a carrier and slid out of the connector, the new disk > slid into the connector and screwed into the carrier, then the carrier > slid back into place and screwed back down. > > This ribbon cable went from the circuit board that is the disk > controller, physically over the original disk, glued down to the > original disk, then over to the edge of the case and serves signals to: > > 1) The memory card reader > 2) The headphone / mic plug > 3) The 2.0 USB plug. > > Super sigh!!! :( > > I had no choice but to unplug the cable and unglue it from the disk. > Sadly it was not possible to get that ribbon back in place. It had a > teeny tiny little white strip that jammed into the connector to hold > the cable in and the pins pressed down to the circuit board. And of > course I did not have the correct tool to push it back into place. I > actually broke that little widget trying to force it back into the > socket over the top of the cable. > > So... the disk replacement worked but I lost usage of those three IO > ports. That is to say that the SSD does in fact work, but now those > three ports on the edge of the case do not. I might be able to cut > some strips of plastic and jam them into place into the little > connectors, over the top of the ribbon cable. Jury Rig it IOW. I > haven't tried that and am not sure that I will ever get around to trying. > > The only saving grace is that HOLY CANNOLI is the computer FASTER!!!!! > > It went from 30 seconds to boot to maybe 3 seconds??? Similar results > for loading a browser, or any other program. Insanely fast. Well, > relative to the same experience with a 5K RPM rotating disk. > > So I knew going in that this was not a "user replaceable" disk drive. > I have always managed, this time not so. Had the drive not worked I > would have been really unhappy. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Nov 14 12:48:23 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:48:23 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] In case you haven't heard cryptowall v4 is out and about Message-ID: <041401d11f0d$0a961960$1fc24c20$@winhaven.net> Nastier than ever: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/09/cryptowall_40/ Bit Defended has released a vaccine: http://www.scmagazineuk.com/vaccine-released-for-cryptowall-40/article/45286 9/ Stay safe out there! John B From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Nov 14 14:21:47 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:21:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft update KB3097877 Message-ID: <044601d11f1a$16bd71e0$443855a0$@winhaven.net> Major problems with this update from Tuesday. Crashed Outlook for one thing. Remove it if you have it. If you haven't had problems then it's probably because MS pulled the patch Tuesday and then released the corrected version Wednesday using the same title! Just another example of why Automatic Updates should be turned off. From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Nov 16 14:48:14 2015 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:48:14 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 Message-ID: <564A410E.3090602@earthlink.net> The laptop finds the network, but the dialog for joining a workgroup greys out workgroup selection, there's no Run cmd to run the .cpl that might allow that, and online M$oft instruction for enabling the Run cmd do not work. How did they manage to make so many design mistakes at once? PB From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Nov 16 15:04:20 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:04:20 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 In-Reply-To: <564A410E.3090602@earthlink.net> References: <564A410E.3090602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Peter Perhaps you have joined the HomeGroup. You wouldn't need a run command for that - go to the network settings. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Peter Brawley Sendt: 16. november 2015 21:48 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 The laptop finds the network, but the dialog for joining a workgroup greys out workgroup selection, there's no Run cmd to run the .cpl that might allow that, and online M$oft instruction for enabling the Run cmd do not work. How did they manage to make so many design mistakes at once? PB From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Nov 16 15:28:43 2015 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:28:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 In-Reply-To: References: <564A410E.3090602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <564A4A8B.1080709@earthlink.net> On 2015-11-16 3:04 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Peter > > Perhaps you have joined the HomeGroup. You wouldn't need a run command for that - go to the network settings. It's in Computer Name & Workgroup dialog, which can be got to with sysdm.cpl, except that they've removed Run from the Start menu and instructions on their web page for getting to it are incorrect. Simplest way I found; click the search icon, type Run, right click on 'Run' in the list that comes up, and add it to the taskbar. For people like me, a good OS UI makes everything transparently available. For corporate managers, a good OS hides everything except what the manager is comfortable allowing her users to do. Guess which group M$oft is playing to? PB From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Nov 17 01:17:50 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 07:17:50 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 Message-ID: Hi Peter The search function is very good and handy. Also, you can right-click the Windows icon. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley Sendt: 16. november 2015 22:29 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 On 2015-11-16 3:04 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Peter > > Perhaps you have joined the HomeGroup. You wouldn't need a run command for that - go to the network settings. It's in Computer Name & Workgroup dialog, which can be got to with sysdm.cpl, except that they've removed Run from the Start menu and instructions on their web page for getting to it are incorrect. Simplest way I found; click the search icon, type Run, right click on 'Run' in the list that comes up, and add it to the taskbar. For people like me, a good OS UI makes everything transparently available. For corporate managers, a good OS hides everything except what the manager is comfortable allowing her users to do. Guess which group M$oft is playing to? PB From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Nov 17 01:35:28 2015 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 01:35:28 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <564AD8C0.6090201@earthlink.net> On 11/17/2015 1:17 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Peter > > The search function is very good and handy. > Also, you can right-click the Windows icon. Thanks, next time let's hope they work better. PB > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley > Sendt: 16. november 2015 22:29 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] hour one with win10 > > On 2015-11-16 3:04 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi Peter >> >> Perhaps you have joined the HomeGroup. You wouldn't need a run command for that - go to the network settings. > It's in Computer Name & Workgroup dialog, which can be got to with sysdm.cpl, except that they've removed Run from the Start menu and instructions on their web page for getting to it are incorrect. > > Simplest way I found; click the search icon, type Run, right click on 'Run' in the list that comes up, and add it to the taskbar. > > For people like me, a good OS UI makes everything transparently available. For corporate managers, a good OS hides everything except what the manager is comfortable allowing her users to do. Guess which group M$oft is playing to? > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Nov 20 11:42:48 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:42:48 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Marketing begins... Message-ID: November 10, 1983 Bill introduces Windows 1.0. Ballmer tries to sell it: https://youtu.be/tGvHNNOLnCk From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 20 13:00:38 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 19:00:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Marketing begins... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John Not exactly. Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985 - exactly 30 years ago on this day. A great video. Times has changed for sure. I worked those days as a copywriter at McCann, a large international advertising agency. My director has got a copy and fired it up on an IBM PC AT hooked up with the IBM LAN preceding IBM PC LAN - it was RF based but I can't recall the name. Anyway, it was terribly slow, close to not being useful for anything serious. But it was fun. For real work we used WordPerfect 4 as anybody else. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 20. november 2015 18:42 Til: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows Marketing begins... November 10, 1983 Bill introduces Windows 1.0. Ballmer tries to sell it: https://youtu.be/tGvHNNOLnCk From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 11:27:58 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:27:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows turns 30 today Message-ID: Today marks the 30th birthday of Windows 1.01, the first commercial release. WIndows turns 30 . -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 11:29:46 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:29:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows turns 30 today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And here's a Visual History of Windows , courtesy The Verge. On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Today marks the 30th birthday of Windows 1.01, the first commercial > release. WIndows turns 30 > . > > -- > Arthur > > -- Arthur From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Nov 21 11:57:13 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 11:57:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Marketing begins... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01dc01d12486$0d561d20$28025760$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, I stand corrected, er, sit corrected ;-) A small typo there. I was actually quite unaware of this event as I was without computer exposure from late 1980 (when I the mid/mini range computer scene) until 1986 (when I reentered the MS-DOS & Unix scene, both with Word Perfect and Lotus 1-2-3.) I can't even imagine how useless it was given the marketing clip! Regards - John -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 1:01 PM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Marketing begins... Hi John Not exactly. Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985 - exactly 30 years ago on this day. A great video. Times has changed for sure. I worked those days as a copywriter at McCann, a large international advertising agency. My director has got a copy and fired it up on an IBM PC AT hooked up with the IBM LAN preceding IBM PC LAN - it was RF based but I can't recall the name. Anyway, it was terribly slow, close to not being useful for anything serious. But it was fun. For real work we used WordPerfect 4 as anybody else. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 20. november 2015 18:42 Til: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows Marketing begins... November 10, 1983 Bill introduces Windows 1.0. Ballmer tries to sell it: https://youtu.be/tGvHNNOLnCk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 21 21:51:49 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:51:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows turns 30 today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1693870757.9766445.1448164309139.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Thanks for the link Arthur. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:29:46 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows turns 30 today And here's a Visual History of Windows , courtesy The Verge. On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Today marks the 30th birthday of Windows 1.01, the first commercial > release. WIndows turns 30 > . > > -- > Arthur > > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 23 17:28:05 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 16:28:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Scrivener In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1965585516.11404788.1448321285318.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi All: For those interested there is the latest version of the Scrivener software package available. It is a application similar to Adobe's ($850+) InDesign and its features are nearly as extensive but its price is not ($50 to $70 CDN). See below: https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php There are free beta downloads for Windows, Mac and Linux https://www.literatureandlatte.com/trial.php and... https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=32709 So if you are thinking of writing a serious graphic comic, a 5000 page novel or manual, this may be the program for you. See the following tutorial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DthBJhBrYs Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Nov 24 02:31:55 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 08:31:55 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 Tip: OneDrive Online-Only Files - Show All Files Without Taking Up Space! Message-ID: Hi all Here's a clever tip if you don't have free GBs on your fixed drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm1Of4eFDDY Here is a summary of the instructions shown in the video: 1. Login to your OneDrive - go to www.onedrive.com 2. Go into a folder in your OneDrive (any folder) 3. In the URL bar (navigation bar) copy the text that is between the "=" and the "%" 4. Go to "This PC" and click on "Map Network Drive" option 5. Type in "https://d.docs.live.net/[your copied text]/ 6. Click finish, enter your credentials, and voila! You're done. /gustav From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Nov 24 11:36:42 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 11:36:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Message-ID: <012201d126de$aef78fb0$0ce6af10$@winhaven.net> It comes full circle: http://tinyurl.com/q75otuw I'm going to have to get one! If I can hook it up to a pocket projector/KB and BT Mouse I solid on the road. From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Nov 24 11:41:53 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 11:41:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 Tip: OneDrive Online-Only Files - Show All Files Without Taking Up Space! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012701d126df$681df010$3859d030$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, Nice tip. Didn't it work this way out of the box in Windows 8? -John -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 Tip: OneDrive Online-Only Files - Show All Files Without Taking Up Space! Hi all Here's a clever tip if you don't have free GBs on your fixed drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm1Of4eFDDY Here is a summary of the instructions shown in the video: 1. Login to your OneDrive - go to www.onedrive.com 2. Go into a folder in your OneDrive (any folder) 3. In the URL bar (navigation bar) copy the text that is between the "=" and the "%" 4. Go to "This PC" and click on "Map Network Drive" option 5. Type in "https://d.docs.live.net/[your copied text]/ 6. Click finish, enter your credentials, and voila! You're done. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Nov 24 11:44:57 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:44:57 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 Tip: OneDrive Online-Only Files - Show All Files Without Taking Up Space! Message-ID: Hi John I can't recall. There's W8 on all my machines now. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 24. november 2015 18:42 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 Tip: OneDrive Online-Only Files - Show All Files Without Taking Up Space! Prioritet: H?j Hi Gustav, Nice tip. Didn't it work this way out of the box in Windows 8? -John -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 Tip: OneDrive Online-Only Files - Show All Files Without Taking Up Space! Hi all Here's a clever tip if you don't have free GBs on your fixed drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm1Of4eFDDY Here is a summary of the instructions shown in the video: 1. Login to your OneDrive - go to www.onedrive.com 2. Go into a folder in your OneDrive (any folder) 3. In the URL bar (navigation bar) copy the text that is between the "=" and the "%" 4. Go to "This PC" and click on "Map Network Drive" option 5. Type in "https://d.docs.live.net/[your copied text]/ 6. Click finish, enter your credentials, and voila! You're done. /gustav From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Nov 25 00:32:54 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 00:32:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Message-ID: Listers, More specifically MySQLers, Can I ODBC connect to a 64 bit MySQL Unicode database with Access 2013? TIA, John B From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 05:03:29 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:03:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Although I don't have Access 2013, and can't verify it, but I see no reason at all why you shouldn't be able to connect. I just whipped up a test connection from Access 2007 via MySQL Connector to a MariaDB database and it worked fine. Incidentally, although this was not asked for, I thought I'd give a shameless plug to a firm called BullZip, that gives away several utilities that I find enormously useful. They include AccessToMySQL, AccessToPostgres, and AccessToSQLServer. There's no simpler way to port your Access data to any of these platforms. Best of all, these tools are free. See Bullzip Tools . On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:32 AM, John R Bartow wrote: > Listers, > More specifically MySQLers, > Can I ODBC connect to a 64 bit MySQL Unicode database with Access 2013? > > TIA, > John B > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 07:19:57 2015 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:19:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > ODBC connect to a 64 bit MySQL Unicode database I'm with Arthur -- all you need is the right connection string. Not sure you'll find it here, but looks like a good start. < http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25210153/connecting-to-mysql-via-odbc-in-a-64-bit-system > Susan H. From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Nov 25 11:55:25 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:55:25 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00af01d127aa$76c91bf0$645b53d0$@winhaven.net> When I set up the ODBC connection it tests fine. When I try to connect with Access I get the following error: ODBC -- call failed. [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] The specified DSN contains an architecture mismatch between the Driver and Application (#0) -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > ODBC connect to a 64 bit MySQL Unicode database I'm with Arthur -- all you need is the right connection string. Not sure you'll find it here, but looks like a good start. < http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25210153/connecting-to-mysql-via-odbc-in- a-64-bit-system > Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Nov 25 12:00:25 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:00:25 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just found the problem. I had the MySQL ODBC System DSN set up via the default ODBC admininistrator. I needed to use the 32 bit ODBC System Administrator which is not shown in the control panel but is in the \Windows\sysWOW64 folder. Made a shortcut to it for myself so I don't forget in the future! Now all works like a charm. Thanks! John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 5:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus John, Although I don't have Access 2013, and can't verify it, but I see no reason at all why you shouldn't be able to connect. I just whipped up a test connection from Access 2007 via MySQL Connector to a MariaDB database and it worked fine. Incidentally, although this was not asked for, I thought I'd give a shameless plug to a firm called BullZip, that gives away several utilities that I find enormously useful. They include AccessToMySQL, AccessToPostgres, and AccessToSQLServer. There's no simpler way to port your Access data to any of these platforms. Best of all, these tools are free. See Bullzip Tools . On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 1:32 AM, John R Bartow wrote: > Listers, > More specifically MySQLers, > Can I ODBC connect to a 64 bit MySQL Unicode database with Access 2013? > > TIA, > John B > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 13:12:39 2015 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:12:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: <00af01d127aa$76c91bf0$645b53d0$@winhaven.net> References: <00af01d127aa$76c91bf0$645b53d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Have you tried creating a DSN connection? Susan H. On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:55 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > When I set up the ODBC connection it tests fine. When I try to connect with > Access I get the following error: > ODBC -- call failed. > [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] The specified DSN contains an architecture > mismatch between the Driver and Application (#0) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Susan Harkins > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:20 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > ODBC connect to a 64 bit MySQL Unicode database > > > I'm with Arthur -- all you need is the right connection string. Not sure > you'll find it here, but looks like a good start. > > < > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25210153/connecting-to-mysql-via-odbc-in- > a-64-bit-system > > > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Nov 25 14:51:27 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:51:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: <00af01d127aa$76c91bf0$645b53d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <011601d127c3$0ec061d0$2c412570$@winhaven.net> Hi Susan, Yes, I did create a System DSN without issue. The only problem was with Access importing the data using the ODBC connection. I found the problem was that I had created the DSN in the 64 bit ODBC Manager, which is what is linked to in the control panel. I had to go find the 32 bit ODBC Manager app in C:\Windows\sysWOW64 folder. Once I did that I created a system System DSN, which used the 32 bit MySQL driver, opened the ODBC connection in Access and everything came through flawlessly. All of that just to bring in a SQL data dump from my RMS system so I could search through my hundreds of client computer inventories to see who had the Dell Foundation Services installed so that I could inform them of the recent security certificate issue. I don't run the Dell Foundation Services updates automatically (trust issues - apparently with just reason ;-) but I do have home users that own Dell machines and I did find a few that have Dell Foundation Services running on their machines. Thanks for your help. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Have you tried creating a DSN connection? Susan H. On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:55 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > When I set up the ODBC connection it tests fine. When I try to connect > with Access I get the following error: > ODBC -- call failed. > [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] The specified DSN contains an > architecture mismatch between the Driver and Application (#0) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:20 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Arthur Fuller > > wrote: > > > ODBC connect to a 64 bit MySQL Unicode database > > > I'm with Arthur -- all you need is the right connection string. Not > sure you'll find it here, but looks like a good start. > > < > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25210153/connecting-to-mysql-via-od > bc-in- > a-64-bit-system > > > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 15:45:00 2015 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:45:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Message-ID: I just find it odd that the connection required 32 when you were working with 64 -- am I missing something? SUsan H. On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 3:51 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Susan, > Yes, I did create a System DSN without issue. The only problem was with > Access importing the data using the ODBC connection. I found the problem > was > that I had created the DSN in the 64 bit ODBC Manager, which is what is > linked to in the control panel. I had to go find the 32 bit ODBC Manager > app > in C:\Windows\sysWOW64 folder. Once I did that I created a system System > DSN, which used the 32 bit MySQL driver, opened the ODBC connection in > Access and everything came through flawlessly. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 18:04:04 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:04:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Good tip. What is the actual filename of the 32-bit ODBC Manager? And/or what subfolder is it in? I think I'll make a shortcut to it, following your lead. Susan, It's because it's Access 32-bit talking to it. The fact that it is talking to a 64-bit back end doesn't matter. Arthur ? From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Nov 25 21:39:33 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:39:33 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016701d127fc$10ddd3b0$32997b10$@winhaven.net> Hi Arthur, Here it is: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\odbcad32.exe -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus John, Good tip. What is the actual filename of the 32-bit ODBC Manager? And/or what subfolder is it in? I think I'll make a shortcut to it, following your lead. Susan, It's because it's Access 32-bit talking to it. The fact that it is talking to a 64-bit back end doesn't matter. Arthur ? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Nov 25 21:44:38 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:44:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016b01d127fc$c67d5740$537805c0$@winhaven.net> It was all because I'm using 32 bit Access. Everything else involved was 64 bit (Windows, Windows Server, MySQL). Had it been 64 bit Access everything would have worked fine. So the lesson learned is use 32 bit ODBC drivers with Access regardless of the data source. As an aftermath though, I will say that the speed of the Access query I developed after importing the data from MySQL is phenomenal compared to trying to find it in HTML, RAW XML or XML Notepad. Just to compare I think I'll make another Access DB with the data linked and see if it's any faster. Any bets on that? -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus I just find it odd that the connection required 32 when you were working with 64 -- am I missing something? SUsan H. On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 3:51 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Susan, > Yes, I did create a System DSN without issue. The only problem was > with Access importing the data using the ODBC connection. I found the > problem was that I had created the DSN in the 64 bit ODBC Manager, > which is what is linked to in the control panel. I had to go find the > 32 bit ODBC Manager app in C:\Windows\sysWOW64 folder. Once I did that > I created a system System DSN, which used the 32 bit MySQL driver, > opened the ODBC connection in Access and everything came through > flawlessly. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 22:01:19 2015 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 04:01:19 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?MySQL_gurus?= In-Reply-To: <016b01d127fc$c67d5740$537805c0$@winhaven.net> References: , <016b01d127fc$c67d5740$537805c0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <56568428.81c70d0a.b948d.fffff8b9@mx.google.com> OH! I totally missed that. Susan H. It was all because I'm using 32 bit Access. Everything else involved was 64 bit (Windows, Windows Server, MySQL). Had it been 64 bit Access everything would have worked fine. From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Nov 26 00:49:29 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 06:49:29 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Message-ID: Hi John Eh ... how do you compare HTML with an ODBC connection? Seems totally unrelated to me - like oranges and, say, coffee ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 26. november 2015 04:45 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Prioritet: H?j It was all because I'm using 32 bit Access. Everything else involved was 64 bit (Windows, Windows Server, MySQL). Had it been 64 bit Access everything would have worked fine. So the lesson learned is use 32 bit ODBC drivers with Access regardless of the data source. As an aftermath though, I will say that the speed of the Access query I developed after importing the data from MySQL is phenomenal compared to trying to find it in HTML, RAW XML or XML Notepad. Just to compare I think I'll make another Access DB with the data linked and see if it's any faster. Any bets on that? From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Nov 26 11:20:41 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:20:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <023201d1286e$c7288490$55798db0$@winhaven.net> Lol! Sorry Gustav, I was not doing that. What I have is an inventory of client assets via my online RMS and I have a choice of how to search for information. One is via HTML report - which was an awful way to do it, there was just too much data and the browser took forever to search through it. Another is XML dump. I this and that is also quite awful. I think it has to do with the way the database is set up in the first place but there is nothing I can do to change that. Then I tried the sqldump. I had to use an SQL database to import the data as I could not find a way to do that directly in Access. So I choose the MySQL route. Which after overcoming the 32/64bit ODC Manager issue worked very well. Maybe because I'm an old relational database guy and am familiar with Access and so was able to overcome their DB design with queries. I spent less time installing MySQL on the server, setting up the ODBC connection, importing the data into MySQL and then into Access, creating a query and finding the items I needed than what 3 searches took in the HTML or XML files. Reinforced my faith in relational databases :-) Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Hi John Eh ... how do you compare HTML with an ODBC connection? Seems totally unrelated to me - like oranges and, say, coffee ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 26. november 2015 04:45 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Prioritet: H?j It was all because I'm using 32 bit Access. Everything else involved was 64 bit (Windows, Windows Server, MySQL). Had it been 64 bit Access everything would have worked fine. So the lesson learned is use 32 bit ODBC drivers with Access regardless of the data source. As an aftermath though, I will say that the speed of the Access query I developed after importing the data from MySQL is phenomenal compared to trying to find it in HTML, RAW XML or XML Notepad. Just to compare I think I'll make another Access DB with the data linked and see if it's any faster. Any bets on that? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Nov 26 15:38:09 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:38:09 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus In-Reply-To: <023201d1286e$c7288490$55798db0$@winhaven.net> References: , <023201d1286e$c7288490$55798db0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi John Ah, now I get the picture. It sounds very likely that the ODBC route turned out to be the fastest and simplest. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 26. november 2015 18:20 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Lol! Sorry Gustav, I was not doing that. What I have is an inventory of client assets via my online RMS and I have a choice of how to search for information. One is via HTML report - which was an awful way to do it, there was just too much data and the browser took forever to search through it. Another is XML dump. I this and that is also quite awful. I think it has to do with the way the database is set up in the first place but there is nothing I can do to change that. Then I tried the sqldump. I had to use an SQL database to import the data as I could not find a way to do that directly in Access. So I choose the MySQL route. Which after overcoming the 32/64bit ODC Manager issue worked very well. Maybe because I'm an old relational database guy and am familiar with Access and so was able to overcome their DB design with queries. I spent less time installing MySQL on the server, setting up the ODBC connection, importing the data into MySQL and then into Access, creating a query and finding the items I needed than what 3 searches took in the HTML or XML files. Reinforced my faith in relational databases :-) Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Hi John Eh ... how do you compare HTML with an ODBC connection? Seems totally unrelated to me - like oranges and, say, coffee ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 26. november 2015 04:45 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL gurus Prioritet: H?j It was all because I'm using 32 bit Access. Everything else involved was 64 bit (Windows, Windows Server, MySQL). Had it been 64 bit Access everything would have worked fine. So the lesson learned is use 32 bit ODBC drivers with Access regardless of the data source. As an aftermath though, I will say that the speed of the Access query I developed after importing the data from MySQL is phenomenal compared to trying to find it in HTML, RAW XML or XML Notepad. Just to compare I think I'll make another Access DB with the data linked and see if it's any faster. Any bets on that? From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 27 14:37:50 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:37:50 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Message-ID: Hi John I'm very happy with my 925. Just wonder if it will be updated to Windows 10, though I don't think I would ever use it with an external screen except for fun. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 24. november 2015 18:37 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' ; 'Off Topic' Emne: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Prioritet: H?j It comes full circle: http://tinyurl.com/q75otuw I'm going to have to get one! If I can hook it up to a pocket projector/KB and BT Mouse I solid on the road. From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Nov 27 16:12:31 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:12:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00eb01d12960$b68a9630$239fc290$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, I received a notice on my Lumia 928 this week that I have a "Windows 10 Mobile Compatible" update available. I am not installing it yet. However, I looked into it and found this list of Windows compatible phones: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-supported-phones . Yours is on the list! -John -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Hi John I'm very happy with my 925. Just wonder if it will be updated to Windows 10, though I don't think I would ever use it with an external screen except for fun. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 24. november 2015 18:37 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' ; 'Off Topic' Emne: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Prioritet: H?j It comes full circle: http://tinyurl.com/q75otuw I'm going to have to get one! If I can hook it up to a pocket projector/KB and BT Mouse I solid on the road. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Nov 28 03:44:58 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:44:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC In-Reply-To: <00eb01d12960$b68a9630$239fc290$@winhaven.net> References: , <00eb01d12960$b68a9630$239fc290$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi John Great news. Also my wife's 820 is listed. I have only seen an early list with five or so models. It seems like just about all newer models are included. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 27. november 2015 23:12 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Hi Gustav, I received a notice on my Lumia 928 this week that I have a "Windows 10 Mobile Compatible" update available. I am not installing it yet. However, I looked into it and found this list of Windows compatible phones: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-supported-phones . Yours is on the list! -John -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Hi John I'm very happy with my 925. Just wonder if it will be updated to Windows 10, though I don't think I would ever use it with an external screen except for fun. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 24. november 2015 18:37 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' ; 'Off Topic' Emne: [dba-Tech] Latest Lumia Windows Phone can act as a PC Prioritet: H?j It comes full circle: http://tinyurl.com/q75otuw I'm going to have to get one! If I can hook it up to a pocket projector/KB and BT Mouse I solid on the road. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 28 13:53:20 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:53:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Message-ID: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a nice deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the mounting kit to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - $49. Not the fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. And it got me off my butt to actually do this. So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no shopping hassles. So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this but why? I've got you guys. :) Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to boot up from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater drive D:. Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and copy over my data? How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I leave them there? MTIA Rocky From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 14:47:52 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:47:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday In-Reply-To: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> References: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> Message-ID: It's really quite easy. You just migrate using a 3rd party utility. On Nov 28, 2015 2:53 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a nice > deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the mounting kit > to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - $49. Not the > fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. And it got me off my > butt to actually do this. > > So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no shopping > hassles. > > So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this but > why? > I've got you guys. :) > > Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. > > I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to boot > up > from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater drive D:. > Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and copy > over > my data? > > How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I leave > them there? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Nov 28 15:42:41 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:42:41 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday In-Reply-To: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> References: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Rocky In such cases I remove the old drive, insert the new drive, boot from the DVD, and do a clean install. Then reinstall all the applications that are still valid. This way you have the old drive as an untouched backup. After some time when you have verified that everything is OK, you can install the old drive and reformat it for extra storage or simply as a drive for Windows backup. Before installing too many apps, consider upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10 ... /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 20:53 Til: 'Off Topic'; List Emne: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a nice deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the mounting kit to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - $49. Not the fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. And it got me off my butt to actually do this. So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no shopping hassles. So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this but why? I've got you guys. :) Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to boot up from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater drive D:. Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and copy over my data? How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I leave them there? MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 28 16:08:10 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:08:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> Message-ID: Sounds like good advice. At what point then do you copy all the data form the old drive to the SSD - docs, pictures, databases, emails, etc.? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:43 PM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Hi Rocky In such cases I remove the old drive, insert the new drive, boot from the DVD, and do a clean install. Then reinstall all the applications that are still valid. This way you have the old drive as an untouched backup. After some time when you have verified that everything is OK, you can install the old drive and reformat it for extra storage or simply as a drive for Windows backup. Before installing too many apps, consider upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10 ... /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 20:53 Til: 'Off Topic'; List Emne: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a nice deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the mounting kit to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - $49. Not the fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. And it got me off my butt to actually do this. So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no shopping hassles. So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this but why? I've got you guys. :) Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to boot up from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater drive D:. Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and copy over my data? How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I leave them there? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 28 16:08:29 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:08:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> Message-ID: <9388C09CA09F4169A81F253CA12F23FC@HAL9007> What 3rd party utility would you recommend? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:48 PM To: DBA Tech Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday It's really quite easy. You just migrate using a 3rd party utility. On Nov 28, 2015 2:53 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a > nice deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the > mounting kit to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - > $49. Not the fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. > And it got me off my butt to actually do this. > > So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no > shopping hassles. > > So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this > but why? > I've got you guys. :) > > Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. > > I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to > boot up from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater > drive D:. > Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and > copy over my data? > > How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I > leave them there? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Nov 28 16:46:43 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:46:43 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007> , Message-ID: Hi Rocky I don't. All my stuff are at file servers and OneDrive including backups of certificates and other delicate info. I believe that Win7 has a "Move my stuff"-util but I've never used it. Or you can just create a copy of your Documents etc. folders on a USB drive as the first step. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 23:08 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Sounds like good advice. At what point then do you copy all the data form the old drive to the SSD - docs, pictures, databases, emails, etc.? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:43 PM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Hi Rocky In such cases I remove the old drive, insert the new drive, boot from the DVD, and do a clean install. Then reinstall all the applications that are still valid. This way you have the old drive as an untouched backup. After some time when you have verified that everything is OK, you can install the old drive and reformat it for extra storage or simply as a drive for Windows backup. Before installing too many apps, consider upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10 ... /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 20:53 Til: 'Off Topic'; List Emne: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a nice deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the mounting kit to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - $49. Not the fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. And it got me off my butt to actually do this. So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no shopping hassles. So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this but why? I've got you guys. :) Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to boot up from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater drive D:. Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and copy over my data? How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I leave them there? MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 28 16:51:46 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:51:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007>, Message-ID: <785993F7A448483E87C8A84C06EB5350@HAL9007> If you want to work on a file that in the cloud - like a database (which is what I do a lot) isn't the response time slow? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Hi Rocky I don't. All my stuff are at file servers and OneDrive including backups of certificates and other delicate info. I believe that Win7 has a "Move my stuff"-util but I've never used it. Or you can just create a copy of your Documents etc. folders on a USB drive as the first step. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 23:08 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Sounds like good advice. At what point then do you copy all the data form the old drive to the SSD - docs, pictures, databases, emails, etc.? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:43 PM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Hi Rocky In such cases I remove the old drive, insert the new drive, boot from the DVD, and do a clean install. Then reinstall all the applications that are still valid. This way you have the old drive as an untouched backup. After some time when you have verified that everything is OK, you can install the old drive and reformat it for extra storage or simply as a drive for Windows backup. Before installing too many apps, consider upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10 ... /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 20:53 Til: 'Off Topic'; List Emne: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a nice deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the mounting kit to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - $49. Not the fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. And it got me off my butt to actually do this. So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no shopping hassles. So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this but why? I've got you guys. :) Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to boot up from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater drive D:. Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and copy over my data? How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I leave them there? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 18:50:00 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 19:50:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland Message-ID: I own a few shares of Apple. This move to landing the company off-shore to Ireland disgusts me. I'm not sure how to fix this; let's start with the HQ should be based on the amount of revenue generated by any given country, There are probably flaws in this simplistic solution, but it's a start. A way larger solution would involve all the nations coming together on a uniform tax deal so it would not benefit any company moving its headquaters to somewhere else. I doubt that this is going to happen, since many nations see only the short-term prospects. But I remain in the hope that we can view the big picture. Yes, I am naive. -- Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 28 19:01:18 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:01:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> Let's start with legislation. The companies aren't doing anything wrong. Their job is to maximize shareholder value. Why would a company voluntarily choose to not take advantage of something that could save them tens of millions of dollars which at the same time would put them at a competitive disadvantage. The companies are the wrong targets - they're doing what they were designed to do - act in the interest of the owners - just like you would if you were running a bakery. The true target of your angst should be the Congress which made the laws that allows these inversions. BTW - do they have the same thing going on in Canada? And are you going to sell those shares? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland I own a few shares of Apple. This move to landing the company off-shore to Ireland disgusts me. I'm not sure how to fix this; let's start with the HQ should be based on the amount of revenue generated by any given country, There are probably flaws in this simplistic solution, but it's a start. A way larger solution would involve all the nations coming together on a uniform tax deal so it would not benefit any company moving its headquaters to somewhere else. I doubt that this is going to happen, since many nations see only the short-term prospects. But I remain in the hope that we can view the big picture. Yes, I am naive. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 02:55:12 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 03:55:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland In-Reply-To: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> References: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> Message-ID: Got to call you on this one, Rocky. The notion that the purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value was created in 1974 by tow Harvard economists. Prior to that event, the purpose of a corporation was to maximize community value. Look it up. I am correct on this. Being a leftist, I tend toward the former definition. But that's just me, and I realize that. There;s no way to build automobiles in the absence of corporations, but that is not to say that the purpose of GM and Ford and Hyundai is to maximize profits. The purpose of these companies is to deliver products for the minimal cost to the maximum number of people, for the least amount of environmental footprint. Yes, this last clause I added, but that is the new world that we inhabit, and this realization extends from coffee to vegetables to automobiles. And we have to grow used to this new way of regarding the planet. One very radical thing that I would suggest is a worldwide wage-equality, so that it becomes impossible to export jobs from America to Malaysia, so that it makes economic sense to keep these jobs in the USA and Canada rather than exporting them. There is an ancillary issue, which is probably tougher to deal with: nations that offer tax-deals to foreign corporations who choose to locate there. The ugly villain in this case would be Apple, which has just chosen to move its HQ to Ireland, and thus escape billions of taxes otherwise owed to USA. This is wrong wrong wrong. You can call it the Spirit of Capitalism, but it is wrong wrong wrong, and it should be stopped, retroactively. On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Let's start with legislation. The companies aren't doing anything wrong. > Their job is to maximize shareholder value. > > Why would a company voluntarily choose to not take advantage of something > that could save them tens of millions of dollars which at the same time > would put them at a competitive disadvantage. > > The companies are the wrong targets - they're doing what they were designed > to do - act in the interest of the owners - just like you would if you were > running a bakery. > > The true target of your angst should be the Congress which made the laws > that allows these inversions. > > BTW - do they have the same thing going on in Canada? > > And are you going to sell those shares? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Arthur Fuller > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:50 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland > > I own a few shares of Apple. This move to landing the company off-shore to > Ireland disgusts me. I'm not sure how to fix this; let's start with the HQ > should be based on the amount of revenue generated by any given country, > There are probably flaws in this simplistic solution, but it's a start. A > way larger solution would involve all the nations coming together on a > uniform tax deal so it would not benefit any company moving its headquaters > to somewhere else. I doubt that this is going to happen, since many nations > see only the short-term prospects. But I remain in the hope that we can > view > the big picture. Yes, I am naive. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Nov 29 03:22:42 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 09:22:42 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday In-Reply-To: <785993F7A448483E87C8A84C06EB5350@HAL9007> References: <571DECAAE964449F9A1E273FA547B65E@HAL9007>, , <785993F7A448483E87C8A84C06EB5350@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Rocky Yes. Such files are accessed only on local file servers. /gustav ________________________________ Fra: Rocky Smolin Sendt: ?28-?11-?2015 23:52 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday If you want to work on a file that in the cloud - like a database (which is what I do a lot) isn't the response time slow? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Hi Rocky I don't. All my stuff are at file servers and OneDrive including backups of certificates and other delicate info. I believe that Win7 has a "Move my stuff"-util but I've never used it. Or you can just create a copy of your Documents etc. folders on a USB drive as the first step. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 23:08 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Sounds like good advice. At what point then do you copy all the data form the old drive to the SSD - docs, pictures, databases, emails, etc.? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 1:43 PM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday Hi Rocky In such cases I remove the old drive, insert the new drive, boot from the DVD, and do a clean install. Then reinstall all the applications that are still valid. This way you have the old drive as an untouched backup. After some time when you have verified that everything is OK, you can install the old drive and reformat it for extra storage or simply as a drive for Windows backup. Before installing too many apps, consider upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10 ... /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 28. november 2015 20:53 Til: 'Off Topic'; List Emne: [dba-Tech] Black Saturday I've been putting off installing an SSD in my main box but Frys had a nice deal on an SSD - OCZ Trion 100 SATA III 2.5" (yeah, I got the mounting kit to make it a 3.5") Toshiba TLC NAND Flash Memory, 240GB - $49. Not the fastest drive but good enough for my lightweight use. And it got me off my butt to actually do this. So I ordered it on line for pickup at the store, in and out - no shopping hassles. So now the installation. I assume I can muddle my way through this but why? I've got you guys. :) Any tips, step-by-step would be greatly appreciated. I've got my W7 Ultimate CD so I can install the OS. Guess I have to boot up from that. And somehow make the SSD Drive C: and the rotater drive D:. Then reinstall all my apps (Office, AV, yada-yada) on the SSD, and copy over my data? How do I delete the OS and the Apps from the old drive? Or should I leave them there? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 07:36:42 2015 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 07:36:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland In-Reply-To: References: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> Message-ID: This belongs over on OT folks. Please and thank you. On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Got to call you on this one, Rocky. The notion that the purpose of a > corporation is to maximize shareholder value was created in 1974 by tow > Harvard economists. Prior to that event, the purpose of a corporation was > to maximize community value. Look it up. I am correct on this. > > Being a leftist, I tend toward the former definition. But that's just me, > and I realize that. There;s no way to build automobiles in the absence of > corporations, but that is not to say that the purpose of GM and Ford and > Hyundai is to maximize profits. The purpose of these companies is to > deliver products for the minimal cost to the maximum number of people, for > the least amount of environmental footprint. Yes, this last clause I added, > but that is the new world that we inhabit, and this realization extends > from coffee to vegetables to automobiles. And we have to grow used to this > new way of regarding the planet. > > One very radical thing that I would suggest is a worldwide wage-equality, > so that it becomes impossible to export jobs from America to Malaysia, so > that it makes economic sense to keep these jobs in the USA and Canada > rather than exporting them. There is an ancillary issue, which is probably > tougher to deal with: nations that offer tax-deals to foreign corporations > who choose to locate there. The ugly villain in this case would be Apple, > which has just chosen to move its HQ to Ireland, and thus escape billions > of taxes otherwise owed to USA. > > This is wrong wrong wrong. You can call it the Spirit of Capitalism, but it > is wrong wrong wrong, and it should be stopped, retroactively. > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > >> Let's start with legislation. The companies aren't doing anything wrong. >> Their job is to maximize shareholder value. >> >> Why would a company voluntarily choose to not take advantage of something >> that could save them tens of millions of dollars which at the same time >> would put them at a competitive disadvantage. >> >> The companies are the wrong targets - they're doing what they were designed >> to do - act in the interest of the owners - just like you would if you were >> running a bakery. >> >> The true target of your angst should be the Congress which made the laws >> that allows these inversions. >> >> BTW - do they have the same thing going on in Canada? >> >> And are you going to sell those shares? >> >> r >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Arthur Fuller >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:50 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland >> >> I own a few shares of Apple. This move to landing the company off-shore to >> Ireland disgusts me. I'm not sure how to fix this; let's start with the HQ >> should be based on the amount of revenue generated by any given country, >> There are probably flaws in this simplistic solution, but it's a start. A >> way larger solution would involve all the nations coming together on a >> uniform tax deal so it would not benefit any company moving its headquaters >> to somewhere else. I doubt that this is going to happen, since many nations >> see only the short-term prospects. But I remain in the hope that we can >> view >> the big picture. Yes, I am naive. >> >> -- >> Arthur >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Nov 29 08:20:17 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 06:20:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland In-Reply-To: References: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> Message-ID: <7C57FFDB6C1B4715A116C1CF244AFB55@HAL9007> "One very radical thing that I would suggest is a worldwide wage-equality," Well, you can suggest it - it's a fine idea - but how do you implement it? How do you enforce it? If wishes were horses... " it should be stopped, retroactively." another fine thought. But the question is not what to do but how to do it. How do you stop it? Again, regardless of how we feel about business, they are the wrong target for practical solutions. They are not going to voluntarily give up profits unless the playing field is level. Apple won't do it unless everyone has to do it. Which brings us back to legislation. There's the proper target for your angst. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland Got to call you on this one, Rocky. The notion that the purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value was created in 1974 by tow Harvard economists. Prior to that event, the purpose of a corporation was to maximize community value. Look it up. I am correct on this. Being a leftist, I tend toward the former definition. But that's just me, and I realize that. There;s no way to build automobiles in the absence of corporations, but that is not to say that the purpose of GM and Ford and Hyundai is to maximize profits. The purpose of these companies is to deliver products for the minimal cost to the maximum number of people, for the least amount of environmental footprint. Yes, this last clause I added, but that is the new world that we inhabit, and this realization extends from coffee to vegetables to automobiles. And we have to grow used to this new way of regarding the planet. One very radical thing that I would suggest is a worldwide wage-equality, so that it becomes impossible to export jobs from America to Malaysia, so that it makes economic sense to keep these jobs in the USA and Canada rather than exporting them. There is an ancillary issue, which is probably tougher to deal with: nations that offer tax-deals to foreign corporations who choose to locate there. The ugly villain in this case would be Apple, which has just chosen to move its HQ to Ireland, and thus escape billions of taxes otherwise owed to USA. This is wrong wrong wrong. You can call it the Spirit of Capitalism, but it is wrong wrong wrong, and it should be stopped, retroactively. On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Let's start with legislation. The companies aren't doing anything wrong. > Their job is to maximize shareholder value. > > Why would a company voluntarily choose to not take advantage of > something that could save them tens of millions of dollars which at > the same time would put them at a competitive disadvantage. > > The companies are the wrong targets - they're doing what they were > designed to do - act in the interest of the owners - just like you > would if you were running a bakery. > > The true target of your angst should be the Congress which made the > laws that allows these inversions. > > BTW - do they have the same thing going on in Canada? > > And are you going to sell those shares? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:50 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland > > I own a few shares of Apple. This move to landing the company > off-shore to Ireland disgusts me. I'm not sure how to fix this; let's > start with the HQ should be based on the amount of revenue generated > by any given country, There are probably flaws in this simplistic > solution, but it's a start. A way larger solution would involve all > the nations coming together on a uniform tax deal so it would not > benefit any company moving its headquaters to somewhere else. I doubt > that this is going to happen, since many nations see only the > short-term prospects. But I remain in the hope that we can view the > big picture. Yes, I am naive. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Nov 29 08:32:15 2015 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 06:32:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland In-Reply-To: References: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> Message-ID: <393845B6AD6F4F468FB81E28E828DC37@HAL9007> Well it was good while it lasted. :) You want to go to ot? I know you're not fond of the list. :) r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland This belongs over on OT folks. Please and thank you. On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Got to call you on this one, Rocky. The notion that the purpose of a > corporation is to maximize shareholder value was created in 1974 by > tow Harvard economists. Prior to that event, the purpose of a > corporation was to maximize community value. Look it up. I am correct on this. > > Being a leftist, I tend toward the former definition. But that's just > me, and I realize that. There;s no way to build automobiles in the > absence of corporations, but that is not to say that the purpose of GM > and Ford and Hyundai is to maximize profits. The purpose of these > companies is to deliver products for the minimal cost to the maximum > number of people, for the least amount of environmental footprint. > Yes, this last clause I added, but that is the new world that we > inhabit, and this realization extends from coffee to vegetables to > automobiles. And we have to grow used to this new way of regarding the planet. > > One very radical thing that I would suggest is a worldwide > wage-equality, so that it becomes impossible to export jobs from > America to Malaysia, so that it makes economic sense to keep these > jobs in the USA and Canada rather than exporting them. There is an > ancillary issue, which is probably tougher to deal with: nations that > offer tax-deals to foreign corporations who choose to locate there. > The ugly villain in this case would be Apple, which has just chosen to > move its HQ to Ireland, and thus escape billions of taxes otherwise owed to USA. > > This is wrong wrong wrong. You can call it the Spirit of Capitalism, > but it is wrong wrong wrong, and it should be stopped, retroactively. > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > >> Let's start with legislation. The companies aren't doing anything wrong. >> Their job is to maximize shareholder value. >> >> Why would a company voluntarily choose to not take advantage of >> something that could save them tens of millions of dollars which at >> the same time would put them at a competitive disadvantage. >> >> The companies are the wrong targets - they're doing what they were >> designed to do - act in the interest of the owners - just like you >> would if you were running a bakery. >> >> The true target of your angst should be the Congress which made the >> laws that allows these inversions. >> >> BTW - do they have the same thing going on in Canada? >> >> And are you going to sell those shares? >> >> r >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On >> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:50 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland >> >> I own a few shares of Apple. This move to landing the company >> off-shore to Ireland disgusts me. I'm not sure how to fix this; let's >> start with the HQ should be based on the amount of revenue generated >> by any given country, There are probably flaws in this simplistic >> solution, but it's a start. A way larger solution would involve all >> the nations coming together on a uniform tax deal so it would not >> benefit any company moving its headquaters to somewhere else. I doubt >> that this is going to happen, since many nations see only the >> short-term prospects. But I remain in the hope that we can view the >> big picture. Yes, I am naive. >> >> -- >> Arthur >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 29 13:02:07 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:02:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitising breaches In-Reply-To: <393845B6AD6F4F468FB81E28E828DC37@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1050182611.16337045.1448823727032.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> If you are planning to make a little extra for Christmas and you are willing to take a little risk, in your new business, the following is for you. Unless you feel competent of forging your own hacks here is a price list of various zero-day hacks for various OSs. They may seem expensive but millions can be made in a few weeks of work. You will have to move fast of course as companies are rushing to patch these holes as soon as they appear on the price list: http://bit.ly/1jrHZrV If you are planning on doing a "Target" type attack on a major chain here is some techniques and code for doing Island-Hopping: http://bit.ly/1Nh3cN0 As you have always wondered how to you insert code in any OS that can launch your own DLL here is a little helping code sample: http://bit.ly/1Nh3xPG So how do you bypass the Windows driver signing authority and install your own driver? Maybe by using the old tried and true code might help: http://bit.ly/1jrJpCB These are but a few of the tools which you can use to hack your way to fun and profit. There are thousands of such hacks available on the web for those with a capitalist and criminal bent. ;-) Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Nov 29 16:07:43 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 01:07:43 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?worldtime=2Eio_and_the_other_ways_to_program?= =?utf-8?q?matically_get_the_current_UTC_time?= Message-ID: <1448834863.795300203@f281.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- The subject web site worldtime.io seems to be providing incorrect current time - compare with? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ ?(middle page). I have to find a way to get correct current time independent from my MS Windows system - I'm using the code from checked answer from the following topic? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1193955/how-to-query-an-ntp-server-using-c and the time value it returns seems to be in sync with my system time. Do you now any other way to get the current UTC time preferably using a free ?(RESTFul) webservice? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 29 22:29:39 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:29:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Wi-Fi < Li-Fi In-Reply-To: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> Message-ID: <523338917.16674056.1448857779465.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> A new delivery protocol is supposed to be a hundred times faster than Wi-Fi. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34942685 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 29 22:37:34 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:37:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland In-Reply-To: <393845B6AD6F4F468FB81E28E828DC37@HAL9007> Message-ID: <45060692.16677625.1448858254902.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> I would like to say something but not on this venue. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:32:15 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland Well it was good while it lasted. :) You want to go to ot? I know you're not fond of the list. :) r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland This belongs over on OT folks. Please and thank you. On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Got to call you on this one, Rocky. The notion that the purpose of a > corporation is to maximize shareholder value was created in 1974 by > tow Harvard economists. Prior to that event, the purpose of a > corporation was to maximize community value. Look it up. I am correct on this. > > Being a leftist, I tend toward the former definition. But that's just > me, and I realize that. There;s no way to build automobiles in the > absence of corporations, but that is not to say that the purpose of GM > and Ford and Hyundai is to maximize profits. The purpose of these > companies is to deliver products for the minimal cost to the maximum > number of people, for the least amount of environmental footprint. > Yes, this last clause I added, but that is the new world that we > inhabit, and this realization extends from coffee to vegetables to > automobiles. And we have to grow used to this new way of regarding the planet. > > One very radical thing that I would suggest is a worldwide > wage-equality, so that it becomes impossible to export jobs from > America to Malaysia, so that it makes economic sense to keep these > jobs in the USA and Canada rather than exporting them. There is an > ancillary issue, which is probably tougher to deal with: nations that > offer tax-deals to foreign corporations who choose to locate there. > The ugly villain in this case would be Apple, which has just chosen to > move its HQ to Ireland, and thus escape billions of taxes otherwise owed to USA. > > This is wrong wrong wrong. You can call it the Spirit of Capitalism, > but it is wrong wrong wrong, and it should be stopped, retroactively. > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > >> Let's start with legislation. The companies aren't doing anything wrong. >> Their job is to maximize shareholder value. >> >> Why would a company voluntarily choose to not take advantage of >> something that could save them tens of millions of dollars which at >> the same time would put them at a competitive disadvantage. >> >> The companies are the wrong targets - they're doing what they were >> designed to do - act in the interest of the owners - just like you >> would if you were running a bakery. >> >> The true target of your angst should be the Congress which made the >> laws that allows these inversions. >> >> BTW - do they have the same thing going on in Canada? >> >> And are you going to sell those shares? >> >> r >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On >> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:50 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple's move to Ireland >> >> I own a few shares of Apple. This move to landing the company >> off-shore to Ireland disgusts me. I'm not sure how to fix this; let's >> start with the HQ should be based on the amount of revenue generated >> by any given country, There are probably flaws in this simplistic >> solution, but it's a start. A way larger solution would involve all >> the nations coming together on a uniform tax deal so it would not >> benefit any company moving its headquaters to somewhere else. I doubt >> that this is going to happen, since many nations see only the >> short-term prospects. But I remain in the hope that we can view the >> big picture. Yes, I am naive. >> >> -- >> Arthur >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Nov 30 04:43:53 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:43:53 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] worldtime.io and the other ways to programmatically get the current UTC time Message-ID: Hi Shamil Here, worldtime.io seems to be one second off. For the last many years I've used pool.ntp.org - or rather the sub host as listed here: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers If you on this page click europe.pool.nt.org http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/europe you'll see dk.pool.ntp.org as well as ru.pool.ntp.org. These servers are probably those nearest to you. Other sources exist like Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (ptb) in Braunschweig: https://www.ptb.de/cms/ptb/fachabteilungen/abtq/fb-q4/ag-q42/zeitsynchronisation-von-rechnern-mit-hilfe-des-network-time-protocol-ntp.html My primary domain server adjust to the external ntp pool, and all other machines sync to these servers, not time.microsoft.com. Calling an NTP source is the closest you can get "easy" accurate time. The more precise alternative is a hardware clock that via longwave radio syncs to the European authorative time source in Frankfurt, but these are quite expensive. Which code from SO do you use? Several suggestions are listed. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 29. november 2015 23:08 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] worldtime.io and the other ways to programmatically get the current UTC time Hi All -- The subject web site worldtime.io seems to be providing incorrect current time - compare with? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ ?(middle page). I have to find a way to get correct current time independent from my MS Windows system - I'm using the code from checked answer from the following topic? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1193955/how-to-query-an-ntp-server-using-c and the time value it returns seems to be in sync with my system time. Do you now any other way to get the current UTC time preferably using a free ?(RESTFul) webservice? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Nov 30 05:24:38 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:24:38 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?worldtime=2Eio_and_the_other_ways_to_program?= =?utf-8?q?matically_get_the_current_UTC_time?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1448882678.665380174@f433.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your note and links. I'm using code marked with a green checkmark, which gets current time value from ?time.windows.com ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1193955/how-to-query-an-ntp-server-using-c ) . It seems to be working well. worldtime.io is about 5 second behind now comparing to?http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/germany/berlin It could be their web page js issue - when I have opened it it was 1 second ahead. -- Shamil >Monday, November 30, 2015 10:43 AM UTC from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Shamil > >Here, worldtime.io seems to be one second off. > >For the last many years I've used pool.ntp.org - or rather the sub host as listed here: > >http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers > >If you on this page click europe.pool.nt.org > >http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/europe > >you'll see dk.pool.ntp.org as well as ru.pool.ntp.org. These servers are probably those nearest to you. >Other sources exist like Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (ptb) in Braunschweig: > >https://www.ptb.de/cms/ptb/fachabteilungen/abtq/fb-q4/ag-q42/zeitsynchronisation-von-rechnern-mit-hilfe-des-network-time-protocol-ntp.html > >My primary domain server adjust to the external ntp pool, and all other machines sync to these servers, not time.microsoft.com. > >Calling an NTP source is the closest you can get "easy" accurate time. The more precise alternative is a hardware clock that via longwave radio syncs to the European authorative time source in Frankfurt, but these are quite expensive. > >Which code from SO do you use? Several suggestions are listed. > >/gustav <<< skipped >>> > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 05:49:03 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 06:49:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wi-Fi < Li-Fi In-Reply-To: <523338917.16674056.1448857779465.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <423C20CC129E48418463F8585E839654@HAL9007> <523338917.16674056.1448857779465.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: The 3-4 years problem is a problem. I could be dead by then. At age 68 currently, I'm not confident that I shall see this delivery date, but I wish all those who will see this delivery-date all the best. On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > A new delivery protocol is supposed to be a hundred times faster than > Wi-Fi. > > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34942685 > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Nov 30 07:07:50 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:07:50 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] worldtime.io and the other ways to programmatically get the current UTC time Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks. I'll mark that code. It sounds like a web page issue. It is probably intended for lookup, not continuous viewing. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 30. november 2015 12:25 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] worldtime.io and the other ways to programmatically get the current UTC time Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your note and links. I'm using code marked with a green checkmark, which gets current time value from ?time.windows.com ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1193955/how-to-query-an-ntp-server-using-c ) . It seems to be working well. worldtime.io is about 5 second behind now comparing to?http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/germany/berlin It could be their web page js issue - when I have opened it it was 1 second ahead. -- Shamil >Monday, November 30, 2015 10:43 AM UTC from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Shamil > >Here, worldtime.io seems to be one second off. > >For the last many years I've used pool.ntp.org - or rather the sub host as listed here: > >http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers > >If you on this page click europe.pool.nt.org > >http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/europe > >you'll see dk.pool.ntp.org as well as ru.pool.ntp.org. These servers are probably those nearest to you. >Other sources exist like Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (ptb) in Braunschweig: > >https://www.ptb.de/cms/ptb/fachabteilungen/abtq/fb-q4/ag-q42/zeitsynchronisation-von-rechnern-mit-hilfe-des-network-time-protocol-ntp.html > >My primary domain server adjust to the external ntp pool, and all other machines sync to these servers, not time.microsoft.com. > >Calling an NTP source is the closest you can get "easy" accurate time. The more precise alternative is a hardware clock that via longwave radio syncs to the European authorative time source in Frankfurt, but these are quite expensive. > >Which code from SO do you use? Several suggestions are listed. > >/gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 30 12:50:08 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 11:50:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] worldtime.io and the other ways to programmatically get the current UTC time In-Reply-To: <1448834863.795300203@f281.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <841770915.17227189.1448909408344.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Shamil: That is a nice piece of code. I don't know where I would use it but have always collected smart code snippets. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:07:43 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] worldtime.io and the other ways to programmatically get the current UTC time Hi All -- The subject web site worldtime.io seems to be providing incorrect current time - compare with? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ ?(middle page). I have to find a way to get correct current time independent from my MS Windows system - I'm using the code from checked answer from the following topic? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1193955/how-to-query-an-ntp-server-using-c and the time value it returns seems to be in sync with my system time. Do you now any other way to get the current UTC time preferably using a free ?(RESTFul) webservice? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 30 20:43:48 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:43:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Open source AI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1991106331.17691642.1448937828394.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Google releases its TensorFlow AI, with full Open Source. :-) http://bit.ly/1HBCClL And you can download the ZIP file from the GitHub site: http://bit.ly/1lURZvE https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 30 20:57:14 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Wi-Fi < Li-Fi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1354938728.17703881.1448938634630.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Michelangelo started writing about his forth coming death, when he was 23 and kept writing and talking about it; so at the age of 88 when he actually did die it came as not surprise to anyone. Unless, your doctor has been saying get your estate in order, don't worry...you will be around for a long while. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 3:49:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wi-Fi < Li-Fi The 3-4 years problem is a problem. I could be dead by then. At age 68 currently, I'm not confident that I shall see this delivery date, but I wish all those who will see this delivery-date all the best. On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > A new delivery protocol is supposed to be a hundred times faster than > Wi-Fi. > > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34942685 > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com