From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  1 23:54:45 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 23:54:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro
Message-ID: <03f401d0fcce$753b0890$5fb119b0$@winhaven.net>

Hi All,

I need to set up remote access (no or low cost) on a MacBook Pro that I can
monitor from my Windows PC. I've attempted RealVNC and I have failed. Any
suggestions as to what I might have missed?

 

TIA,

John B

 


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Oct  2 04:59:06 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:59:06 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus
Message-ID: <1296b5de493c48798b8045aa62c6a362@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Interesting article...

Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34423414



Jon

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From RockySmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct  2 08:41:22 2015
From: RockySmolin at bchacc.com (RockySmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 06:41:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus
Message-ID: <20151002064122.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.8bcf876272.wbe@email04.secureserver.net>

I suppose it had to happen.  But how does one get infected? The usual
email attachment?

Sounds like a great opportunity for a developer to make a legit
'vaccine' sell it to a company with credibility so that buyers would
have confidence there were no back doors, and take a nice royalty.

r



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Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus
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Date: Fri, October 02, 2015 2:59 am
To: "Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)"
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Interesting article...

Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34423414



Jon

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  2 13:16:26 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:16:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus
In-Reply-To: <1296b5de493c48798b8045aa62c6a362@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <1296b5de493c48798b8045aa62c6a362@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <00e901d0fd3e$73f3edb0$5bdbc910$@winhaven.net>

A modern day Robin Hood?

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To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

Interesting article...

Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34423414



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  2 21:29:29 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 20:29:29 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus
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Message-ID: <1837434645.31666275.1443839369837.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Anyone could use Openwrt software for more features and security: (http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start) Check list to see if your router hardware is supported. Even build your own router with a Raspberry PI.

Jim

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Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 6:41:22 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

I suppose it had to happen.  But how does one get infected? The usual
email attachment?

Sounds like a great opportunity for a developer to make a legit
'vaccine' sell it to a company with credibility so that buyers would
have confidence there were no back doors, and take a nice royalty.

r



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus
From: Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
Date: Fri, October 02, 2015 2:59 am
To: "Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

Interesting article...

Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34423414



Jon

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  2 21:38:46 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 20:38:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus
In-Reply-To: <1296b5de493c48798b8045aa62c6a362@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <1471495477.31670976.1443839926066.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Cool.

Jim

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Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 2:59:06 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

Interesting article...

Home routers 'vaccinated' by benign virus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34423414



Jon

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  2 22:21:28 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:21:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro
In-Reply-To: <03f401d0fcce$753b0890$5fb119b0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <526939106.31686300.1443842488043.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I have been using X2Go at http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php.

It runs across all platforms, runs over SSH (with all the implied security), does not require a third party company to manage (and charge) for connections, is very fast and even allows past-through printing and sound. 

I have recently installed it so I will be able to remotely manage my network and am still working out the details but am so far very impressed.

Considerations: The applications involved run on and connect across all platforms. You must install an SSH client and server on the respective computers but it can be done very quickly, it is nice to have an absolutely secure connection and depending on how the router is configured, the port you want for the connection may have to be opened. Aside: After an command line SSH connection can be maintained then X2Go can be installed. 

If you decide to go this route I will be glad to help as I am just getting a handle on this new tech myself. I am of course using Linux but the installs and concepts are exactly the same whether it is Windows or Apple or various smartphones/tablets.

Jim  
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Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi All,

I need to set up remote access (no or low cost) on a MacBook Pro that I can
monitor from my Windows PC. I've attempted RealVNC and I have failed. Any
suggestions as to what I might have missed?

 

TIA,

John B

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:05:18 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:05:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g+YivbsT+3nbTAQwq8fUEJF4y_ihGzbBQgLWcDsdPBXQ@mail.gmail.com>

This morning I turned my laptop on and although the initial boot looked ok,
by the time Windows 10 loaded the image was upside down -- the whole image,
even including the mouse cursor. I rebooted again and the same thing
happened. Fortunately, I'm a touch-typist so I could at least enter my
password, but the problem persists. I have another computer so at least I
can check my email and send new messages. But I'm totally flummoxed by this
behaviour. Has anyone else ever seen this?

-- 
Arthur

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:08:26 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:08:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g+YivbsT+3nbTAQwq8fUEJF4y_ihGzbBQgLWcDsdPBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g+YivbsT+3nbTAQwq8fUEJF4y_ihGzbBQgLWcDsdPBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE8dihHcRanxKbHeCOtwmbBbdpEOyr8Vbbq4JGFgq+H-aw@mail.gmail.com>

See if it thinks you are in mobil windows mode.  Pads can be reoriented and
it may think you are mobile and holding it upside down.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This morning I turned my laptop on and although the initial boot looked ok,
> by the time Windows 10 loaded the image was upside down -- the whole image,
> even including the mouse cursor. I rebooted again and the same thing
> happened. Fortunately, I'm a touch-typist so I could at least enter my
> password, but the problem persists. I have another computer so at least I
> can check my email and send new messages. But I'm totally flummoxed by this
> behaviour. Has anyone else ever seen this?
>
> --
> Arthur
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 08:10:32 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:10:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584E504951213E232AC7D1ECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

Yes, our tablets can do this. But they revert to normal display when turned upside up.

But go to Screen Settings and check the flip mode of the screen display. It can be set for upside-down (for special purposes).

/gustav

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Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:05
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Emne: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

This morning I turned my laptop on and although the initial boot looked ok, by the time Windows 10 loaded the image was upside down -- the whole image, even including the mouse cursor. I rebooted again and the same thing happened. Fortunately, I'm a touch-typist so I could at least enter my password, but the problem persists. I have another computer so at least I can check my email and send new messages. But I'm totally flummoxed by this behaviour. Has anyone else ever seen this?

--
Arthur 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:22:29 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:22:29 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech]
	=?utf-8?q?The_likes_of_which_I=27ve_never_seen_before?=
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References: <VI1PR06MB1584E504951213E232AC7D1ECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <561279aa.524e810a.dd621.ffffd3f8@mx.google.com>

Or, someone's playing a trick on you -- is that possible. There?s a keyboard pattern that will rotate the screen. I can't recall its exactly keys, but it would be easy enough to goggle and find out. 


Susan H. 






Sent from Windows Mail





Hi Arthur

Yes, our tablets can do this. But they revert to normal display when turned upside up.

But go to Screen Settings and check the flip mode of the screen display. It can be set for upside-down (for special purposes).


looked ok, by the time Windows 10 loaded the image was upside down -- the whole image, even including the mouse cursor. I rebooted again and the same thing happened. Fortunately, I'm a touch-typist so I could at least enter my password, but the problem persists. I have another computer so at least I can check my email and send new messages. But I'm totally flummoxed by this behaviour. Has anyone else ever seen this?

From Mike.Tope at saipem.com  Mon Oct  5 08:25:25 2015
From: Mike.Tope at saipem.com (Tope Mike)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:25:25 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g+YivbsT+3nbTAQwq8fUEJF4y_ihGzbBQgLWcDsdPBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g+YivbsT+3nbTAQwq8fUEJF4y_ihGzbBQgLWcDsdPBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3EC797A639C31409878520046B44DF4C23EB341@SUKSVA027.saipemnet.saipem.intranet>

Ctrl-Alt-Up.
regards
Mike Tope

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From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 05 October 2015 14:05
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

This morning I turned my laptop on and although the initial boot looked ok,
by the time Windows 10 loaded the image was upside down -- the whole image,
even including the mouse cursor. I rebooted again and the same thing
happened. Fortunately, I'm a touch-typist so I could at least enter my
password, but the problem persists. I have another computer so at least I
can check my email and send new messages. But I'm totally flummoxed by this
behaviour. Has anyone else ever seen this?

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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:34:04 2015
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:34:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <561279aa.524e810a.dd621.ffffd3f8@mx.google.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E504951213E232AC7D1ECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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was just going to suggest the keyboard piece, think it's CTRL + ALT + one
of the arrow keys

On 5 October 2015 at 14:22, <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or, someone's playing a trick on you -- is that possible. There?s a
> keyboard pattern that will rotate the screen. I can't recall its exactly
> keys, but it would be easy enough to goggle and find out.
>
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Yes, our tablets can do this. But they revert to normal display when
> turned upside up.
>
> But go to Screen Settings and check the flip mode of the screen display.
> It can be set for upside-down (for special purposes).
>
>
> looked ok, by the time Windows 10 loaded the image was upside down -- the
> whole image, even including the mouse cursor. I rebooted again and the same
> thing happened. Fortunately, I'm a touch-typist so I could at least enter
> my password, but the problem persists. I have another computer so at least
> I can check my email and send new messages. But I'm totally flummoxed by
> this behaviour. Has anyone else ever seen this?
> _______________________________________________
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:36:58 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:36:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584E504951213E232AC7D1ECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E504951213E232AC7D1ECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE9jZXjSz4A6QziZ=Tj420bzvPqe6w3bBYsri5ZW2576nA@mail.gmail.com>

Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came with
Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, which went
smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my computers.  Other than
the start menu, which still will not show me the folders of apps that 7.1
showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.

Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a program
would install and create a group for itself.  It would place all of its
programs in that group and add that group to the start menu.  Look in the
start menu and select that folder and you could SEE all of the items
related to the newly installed program.

The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them
willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I have
just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I supposed to
know what the names of all the parts are?

Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, including
an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each folder would be
Office, Excel, Power Point etc.

Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item in
the folder and go.

Now, not so much.

But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system, that
I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their superior(?) wisdom
(since I have no choice anyway).

Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of things
in the new system.



On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Yes, our tablets can do this. But they revert to normal display when
> turned upside up.
>
> But go to Screen Settings and check the flip mode of the screen display.
> It can be set for upside-down (for special purposes).
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Arthur Fuller
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:05
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> This morning I turned my laptop on and although the initial boot looked
> ok, by the time Windows 10 loaded the image was upside down -- the whole
> image, even including the mouse cursor. I rebooted again and the same thing
> happened. Fortunately, I'm a touch-typist so I could at least enter my
> password, but the problem persists. I have another computer so at least I
> can check my email and send new messages. But I'm totally flummoxed by this
> behaviour. Has anyone else ever seen this?
>
> --
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 08:36:57 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:36:57 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584C3D7B938A5735C975B85CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Paul

That's it. Works on a desktop machine as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:34
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

was just going to suggest the keyboard piece, think it's CTRL + ALT + one of the arrow keys



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:42:00 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:42:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
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LOL, how cool is that.  I guess.  I assume this is a Windows 10 kind of
thing as I have never seen it in Windows 7?

Not sure why one would do that other than to mess with a colleague.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> That's it. Works on a desktop machine as well.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Paul Hartland
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:34
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> was just going to suggest the keyboard piece, think it's CTRL + ALT + one
> of the arrow keys
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 08:53:15 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:53:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584FCAD2FAC9A29A7D60D8BCA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.

As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.

For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came with Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, which went smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my computers.  Other than the start menu, which still will not show me the folders of apps that 7.1 showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.

Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a program would install and create a group for itself.  It would place all of its programs in that group and add that group to the start menu.  Look in the start menu and select that folder and you could SEE all of the items related to the newly installed program.

The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I have just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I supposed to know what the names of all the parts are?

Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, including an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each folder would be Office, Excel, Power Point etc.

Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item in the folder and go.

Now, not so much.

But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system, that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their superior(?) wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).

Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of things in the new system.



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:11:53 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 10:11:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584FCAD2FAC9A29A7D60D8BCA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons,
and that is good --  for you.

But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is
NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what
Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen
full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and
let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the
computer, organized in alpha order.

What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is
either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing
a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is
a bad thing?

THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their
infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to
provide.

And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the
desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.

So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how
do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my
machine?

And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not
know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to
Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start
menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things
neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that bad?

Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has
provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the
deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.

If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I
find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or
all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the
Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover
what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH
BAR?????

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it - to
> have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
>
> As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what you
> are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, say, Remote
> and it will list Remote Desktop.
>
> For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and organize
> in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the horizontal scroll, but
> you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came with
> Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, which went
> smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my computers.  Other than
> the start menu, which still will not show me the folders of apps that 7.1
> showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.
>
> Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a program
> would install and create a group for itself.  It would place all of its
> programs in that group and add that group to the start menu.  Look in the
> start menu and select that folder and you could SEE all of the items
> related to the newly installed program.
>
> The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them
> willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I have
> just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I supposed to
> know what the names of all the parts are?
>
> Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, including
> an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each folder would be
> Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
>
> Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item in
> the folder and go.
>
> Now, not so much.
>
> But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system,
> that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their superior(?)
> wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
>
> Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of things
> in the new system.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
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Colby Consulting

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Mon Oct  5 10:18:26 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:18:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
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We do it to users as an "aide de memoire" as to why they shouldn't leave their computers unlocked when they leave the desk...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:42 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

LOL, how cool is that.  I guess.  I assume this is a Windows 10 kind of thing as I have never seen it in Windows 7?

Not sure why one would do that other than to mess with a colleague.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> That's it. Works on a desktop machine as well.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne
> af Paul Hartland
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:34
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> was just going to suggest the keyboard piece, think it's CTRL + ALT +
> one of the arrow keys
>
>
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Mon Oct  5 10:19:38 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:19:38 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584FCAD2FAC9A29A7D60D8BCA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Or install ClassicShell and make it look like Windows 7, XP, NT4, 2000 or whatever you want.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:53 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi John

Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.

As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.

For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came with Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, which went smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my computers.  Other than the start menu, which still will not show me the folders of apps that 7.1 showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.

Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a program would install and create a group for itself.  It would place all of its programs in that group and add that group to the start menu.  Look in the start menu and select that folder and you could SEE all of the items related to the newly installed program.

The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I have just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I supposed to know what the names of all the parts are?

Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, including an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each folder would be Office, Excel, Power Point etc.

Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item in the folder and go.

Now, not so much.

But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system, that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their superior(?) wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).

Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of things in the new system.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 10:30:01 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:30:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.

The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.

That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.

So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 16:12
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons, and that is good --  for you.

But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the computer, organized in alpha order.

What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is a bad thing?

THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to provide.

And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.

So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my machine?

And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that bad?

Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.

If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH BAR?????

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it 
> - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
>
> As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what 
> you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, 
> say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.
>
> For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and 
> organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the 
> horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne 
> af John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came 
> with Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, 
> which went smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my 
> computers.  Other than the start menu, which still will not show me 
> the folders of apps that 7.1 showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.
>
> Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a 
> program would install and create a group for itself.  It would place 
> all of its programs in that group and add that group to the start 
> menu.  Look in the start menu and select that folder and you could SEE 
> all of the items related to the newly installed program.
>
> The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them 
> willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I 
> have just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I 
> supposed to know what the names of all the parts are?
>
> Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, 
> including an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each 
> folder would be Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
>
> Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item 
> in the folder and go.
>
> Now, not so much.
>
> But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system, 
> that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their 
> superior(?) wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
>
> Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of 
> things in the new system. 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 10:31:29 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:31:29 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584E9D1E56B3545C68B0E71CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jon

Ah, great humour!

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 17:18
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

We do it to users as an "aide de memoire" as to why they shouldn't leave their computers unlocked when they leave the desk...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:42 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

LOL, how cool is that.  I guess.  I assume this is a Windows 10 kind of thing as I have never seen it in Windows 7?

Not sure why one would do that other than to mess with a colleague. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:31:39 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:31:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
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My biggest complaint switching to 8.1 from 7 is that I'm going to have to
actually READ AN ARTICLE or two to figure out how to use it. I never had to
do that before -- a few minutes and you were just using it. :(

Susan H.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:11 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons,
> and that is good --  for you.
>
> But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is
> NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what
> Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen
> full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and
> let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the
> computer, organized in alpha order.
>
> What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is
> either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing
> a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is
> a bad thing?
>
> THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their
> infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to
> provide.
>
> And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the
> desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.
>
> So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how
> do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my
> machine?
>
> And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not
> know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to
> Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start
> menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things
> neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that
> bad?
>
> Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has
> provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the
> deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.
>
> If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I
> find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or
> all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the
> Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover
> what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH
> BAR?????
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it -
> to
> > have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
> >
> > As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what you
> > are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, say,
> Remote
> > and it will list Remote Desktop.
> >
> > For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and
> organize
> > in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the horizontal scroll,
> but
> > you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> > John Colby
> > Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
> >
> > Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came with
> > Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, which
> went
> > smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my computers.  Other than
> > the start menu, which still will not show me the folders of apps that 7.1
> > showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.
> >
> > Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a program
> > would install and create a group for itself.  It would place all of its
> > programs in that group and add that group to the start menu.  Look in the
> > start menu and select that folder and you could SEE all of the items
> > related to the newly installed program.
> >
> > The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them
> > willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I have
> > just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I supposed to
> > know what the names of all the parts are?
> >
> > Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder,
> including
> > an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each folder would be
> > Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
> >
> > Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item in
> > the folder and go.
> >
> > Now, not so much.
> >
> > But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system,
> > that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their superior(?)
> > wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
> >
> > Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of
> things
> > in the new system.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:35:32 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:35:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fKg8kdGOLnfhD_agx60HkByEyU8qBg4JxfRYR-QDNufQ@mail.gmail.com>

I do not actually play practical jokes on my coworkers, but I admit... I
instigate them. I have one cohort in crime who is easy to motivate. "Oh,
look what this keystroke combo does..."

Next thing I know someone's asking me what the hell's wrong with their
screen. :) I didn't have to do a thing.

It's a gift.

Susan H.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:

> We do it to users as an "aide de memoire" as to why they shouldn't leave
> their computers unlocked when they leave the desk...
>
>
> Jon
>
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:38:22 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:38:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <d584460f99e94b53a53f3d8a3805eafd@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584FCAD2FAC9A29A7D60D8BCA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<d584460f99e94b53a53f3d8a3805eafd@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE9RLhZO7pjzmYzibfvqDw8JO7oxbDipJpnEwm6g0xoftQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ahhh classic shell.  Sweet Nectar.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:

> Or install ClassicShell and make it look like Windows 7, XP, NT4, 2000 or
> whatever you want.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Hi John
>
> Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it - to
> have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
>
> As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what you
> are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, say, Remote
> and it will list Remote Desktop.
>
> For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and organize
> in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the horizontal scroll, but
> you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came with
> Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, which went
> smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my computers.  Other than
> the start menu, which still will not show me the folders of apps that 7.1
> showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.
>
> Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a program
> would install and create a group for itself.  It would place all of its
> programs in that group and add that group to the start menu.  Look in the
> start menu and select that folder and you could SEE all of the items
> related to the newly installed program.
>
> The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them
> willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I have
> just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I supposed to
> know what the names of all the parts are?
>
> Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, including
> an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each folder would be
> Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
>
> Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item in
> the folder and go.
>
> Now, not so much.
>
> But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system,
> that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their superior(?)
> wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
>
> Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of things
> in the new system.
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:46:03 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:46:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE_5HiAx+9Nu0rv-U8CCYRAk_MkCFmm5G1z04VpCYsUkKw@mail.gmail.com>

LOL, not blaming you, just pointing out that you are sadly mistaken that
the "start menu" MS provided was what I asked for.  Not even in the same
universe as what I asked for.  Luckily Classic Shell is precisely what I
asked for.

And I am not disparaging any other part of Windows 10.  Haven't been around
long enough to know what does and does not work.

I would like to point out that asking for a menu of folders grouping
installs is not "looking back", it is looking for a tool that worked.

I notice that you again avoid answering how (in the absence of Classic
Shell) I would go about seeing all of the programs associated with Windows
97 in one place, grouped together.

I assume that is because it can't be done.

As much as you don't care, I (and many other folks) do.

So Classic Shell handles my one big serious interface issue and I am
happily working away.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was
> people like you who did.
>
> The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for
> frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for
> everything installed.
>
> That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not,
> you can make anything to fall behind.
>
> So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows
> 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home
> and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten
> years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the
> Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered
> machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 16:12
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons,
> and that is good --  for you.
>
> But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is
> NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what
> Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen
> full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and
> let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the
> computer, organized in alpha order.
>
> What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is
> either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing
> a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is
> a bad thing?
>
> THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their
> infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to
> provide.
>
> And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the
> desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.
>
> So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how
> do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my
> machine?
>
> And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not
> know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to
> Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start
> menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things
> neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that bad?
>
> Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has
> provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the
> deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.
>
> If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I
> find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or
> all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the
> Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover
> what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH
> BAR?????
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it
> > - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
> >
> > As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what
> > you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type,
> > say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.
> >
> > For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and
> > organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the
> > horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows
> 10.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne
> > af John Colby
> > Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
> >
> > Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came
> > with Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so,
> > which went smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my
> > computers.  Other than the start menu, which still will not show me
> > the folders of apps that 7.1 showed, it is similar enough that I can get
> my work done.
> >
> > Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a
> > program would install and create a group for itself.  It would place
> > all of its programs in that group and add that group to the start
> > menu.  Look in the start menu and select that folder and you could SEE
> > all of the items related to the newly installed program.
> >
> > The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them
> > willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I
> > have just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I
> > supposed to know what the names of all the parts are?
> >
> > Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder,
> > including an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each
> > folder would be Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
> >
> > Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item
> > in the folder and go.
> >
> > Now, not so much.
> >
> > But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system,
> > that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their
> > superior(?) wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
> >
> > Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of
> > things in the new system.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
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Colby Consulting

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Mon Oct  5 11:14:05 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:14:05 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fKg8kdGOLnfhD_agx60HkByEyU8qBg4JxfRYR-QDNufQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fKg8kdGOLnfhD_agx60HkByEyU8qBg4JxfRYR-QDNufQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e26f7bcb7a748c6ad5b4e4789cf2ce1@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Yeah, guilty of that as well :-)

I was once called "The worst kind of troublemaker" for suggesting things that other people then did and got in trouble for, but never me!


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 4:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

I do not actually play practical jokes on my coworkers, but I admit... I instigate them. I have one cohort in crime who is easy to motivate. "Oh, look what this keystroke combo does..."

Next thing I know someone's asking me what the hell's wrong with their screen. :) I didn't have to do a thing.

It's a gift.

Susan H.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:

> We do it to users as an "aide de memoire" as to why they shouldn't
> leave their computers unlocked when they leave the desk...
>
>
> Jon
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Oct  5 12:52:38 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:52:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5612B8E6.7090601@torchlake.com>

Gustav,

Does Windows 10 successfully update onto a Windows XP SP-3 machine? I've 
been considering migrating my 2005 Inspiron 9400 from Win XP to Win 10, 
so I would have a Win 7, Win 8, and Win 10 stable of boxen. If you 
successfully updated Win 10 on a 10-year old HP Pavilion, I'm tempted to 
try it.  I'm starting to hear from people who want help learning Win 
10.  I was going to wait until a year or so went by so I'd know Win 10 
was stable.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/05/15 11:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.
>
> The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.
>
> That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.
>
> So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 13:24:25 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 18:24:25 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <5612B8E6.7090601@torchlake.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<5612B8E6.7090601@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15842B9F6801F014EA263677CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Tina

No, an "update" wouldn't make sense. Create a backup of what you wish to keep and then do a clean install wiping the disk completely.

You must have 30 GB of disk space and 2+ GB ram. Also, a decent graphic adapter.
I think somewhere from Microsoft you can download a tool "get ready for Windows 8" or 10 that checks the hardware.
Also be prepared for some challenges if your machine contains special devices.

I also replaced the old harddrive with an SSD - that makes wonders!

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 19:52
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Gustav,

Does Windows 10 successfully update onto a Windows XP SP-3 machine? I've
been considering migrating my 2005 Inspiron 9400 from Win XP to Win 10,
so I would have a Win 7, Win 8, and Win 10 stable of boxen. If you
successfully updated Win 10 on a 10-year old HP Pavilion, I'm tempted to
try it.  I'm starting to hear from people who want help learning Win
10.  I was going to wait until a year or so went by so I'd know Win 10
was stable.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/05/15 11:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.
>
> The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.
>
> That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.
>
> So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.
>
> /gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 13:32:59 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 18:32:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE_5HiAx+9Nu0rv-U8CCYRAk_MkCFmm5G1z04VpCYsUkKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAA_iUE_5HiAx+9Nu0rv-U8CCYRAk_MkCFmm5G1z04VpCYsUkKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15846ECEAC42474C42DF9853CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

Sorry, I missed that. 
You are right. I don't know. Windows 10 is not Windows 7, so you cannot expect things to be as before.

I have decided to not live in the past - and that fits me well in this particular matter as I've never liked the Windows 7 Start Menu. In fact, I can't recall a single item/feature I miss from Windows 7.

It has not stopped me from getting work done.

Looking forward to get Windows 10 on my Lumia!

/gustav


________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 17:46
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

LOL, not blaming you, just pointing out that you are sadly mistaken that
the "start menu" MS provided was what I asked for.  Not even in the same
universe as what I asked for.  Luckily Classic Shell is precisely what I
asked for.

And I am not disparaging any other part of Windows 10.  Haven't been around
long enough to know what does and does not work.

I would like to point out that asking for a menu of folders grouping
installs is not "looking back", it is looking for a tool that worked.

I notice that you again avoid answering how (in the absence of Classic
Shell) I would go about seeing all of the programs associated with Windows
97 in one place, grouped together.

I assume that is because it can't be done.

As much as you don't care, I (and many other folks) do.

So Classic Shell handles my one big serious interface issue and I am
happily working away.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was
> people like you who did.
>
> The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for
> frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for
> everything installed.
>
> That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not,
> you can make anything to fall behind.
>
> So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows
> 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home
> and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten
> years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the
> Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered
> machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 16:12
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons,
> and that is good --  for you.
>
> But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is
> NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what
> Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen
> full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and
> let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the
> computer, organized in alpha order.
>
> What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is
> either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing
> a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is
> a bad thing?
>
> THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their
> infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to
> provide.
>
> And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the
> desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.
>
> So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how
> do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my
> machine?
>
> And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not
> know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to
> Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start
> menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things
> neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that bad?
>
> Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has
> provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the
> deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.
>
> If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I
> find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or
> all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the
> Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover
> what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH
> BAR?????
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it
> > - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
> >
> > As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what
> > you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type,
> > say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.
> >
> > For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and
> > organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the
> > horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
> >
> > /gustav

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Oct  5 13:45:52 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:45:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15842B9F6801F014EA263677CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<5612B8E6.7090601@torchlake.com>
	<VI1PR06MB15842B9F6801F014EA263677CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5612C560.4090908@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Gustav.  That's what I needed to know.  Looks like my machine 
can handle the requirements.  Also interested in adding the SSD.  Ah, my 
wintertime projects!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/05/15 2:24 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Tina
>
> No, an "update" wouldn't make sense. Create a backup of what you wish to keep and then do a clean install wiping the disk completely.
>
> You must have 30 GB of disk space and 2+ GB ram. Also, a decent graphic adapter.
> I think somewhere from Microsoft you can download a tool "get ready for Windows 8" or 10 that checks the hardware.
> Also be prepared for some challenges if your machine contains special devices.
>
> I also replaced the old harddrive with an SSD - that makes wonders!
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 19:52
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Gustav,
>
> Does Windows 10 successfully update onto a Windows XP SP-3 machine? I've
> been considering migrating my 2005 Inspiron 9400 from Win XP to Win 10,
> so I would have a Win 7, Win 8, and Win 10 stable of boxen. If you
> successfully updated Win 10 on a 10-year old HP Pavilion, I'm tempted to
> try it.  I'm starting to hear from people who want help learning Win
> 10.  I was going to wait until a year or so went by so I'd know Win 10
> was stable.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 10/05/15 11:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi John
>>
>> Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.
>>
>> The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.
>>
>> That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.
>>
>> So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.
>>
>> /gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  5 15:17:53 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:17:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <2550d20c5ed0458ea8c21a6ef921d17a@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <1979242575.33321457.1444076273407.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

:-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:18:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

We do it to users as an "aide de memoire" as to why they shouldn't leave their computers unlocked when they leave the desk...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:42 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

LOL, how cool is that.  I guess.  I assume this is a Windows 10 kind of thing as I have never seen it in Windows 7?

Not sure why one would do that other than to mess with a colleague.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> That's it. Works on a desktop machine as well.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne
> af Paul Hartland
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:34
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> was just going to suggest the keyboard piece, think it's CTRL + ALT +
> one of the arrow keys
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  5 15:23:52 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:23:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <706368230.33324627.1444076632349.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

I thought the future was Linux? ;-) 

Linux has around a hundreds of desktops and it runs on and in everything.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:30:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi John

Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.

The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.

That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.

So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 16:12
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons, and that is good --  for you.

But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the computer, organized in alpha order.

What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is a bad thing?

THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to provide.

And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.

So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my machine?

And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that bad?

Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.

If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH BAR?????

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it 
> - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
>
> As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what 
> you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, 
> say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.
>
> For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and 
> organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the 
> horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne 
> af John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came 
> with Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, 
> which went smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my 
> computers.  Other than the start menu, which still will not show me 
> the folders of apps that 7.1 showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.
>
> Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a 
> program would install and create a group for itself.  It would place 
> all of its programs in that group and add that group to the start 
> menu.  Look in the start menu and select that folder and you could SEE 
> all of the items related to the newly installed program.
>
> The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them 
> willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I 
> have just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I 
> supposed to know what the names of all the parts are?
>
> Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, 
> including an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each 
> folder would be Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
>
> Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item 
> in the folder and go.
>
> Now, not so much.
>
> But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system, 
> that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their 
> superior(?) wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
>
> Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of 
> things in the new system. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  5 15:44:25 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:44:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <5612C560.4090908@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1706833063.33339045.1444077865613.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

SSD will make an old machine positively snappy. (Note: It will usually cost about $40.00 to $50.00 to have a guy at the local computer store to do the backup and re-install...plus of course the price of the hardware.)

If you want you can always try to duel boot your system...of course this depends on the resources of the computer.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 11:45:52 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Thanks, Gustav.  That's what I needed to know.  Looks like my machine 
can handle the requirements.  Also interested in adding the SSD.  Ah, my 
wintertime projects!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/05/15 2:24 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Tina
>
> No, an "update" wouldn't make sense. Create a backup of what you wish to keep and then do a clean install wiping the disk completely.
>
> You must have 30 GB of disk space and 2+ GB ram. Also, a decent graphic adapter.
> I think somewhere from Microsoft you can download a tool "get ready for Windows 8" or 10 that checks the hardware.
> Also be prepared for some challenges if your machine contains special devices.
>
> I also replaced the old harddrive with an SSD - that makes wonders!
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 19:52
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Gustav,
>
> Does Windows 10 successfully update onto a Windows XP SP-3 machine? I've
> been considering migrating my 2005 Inspiron 9400 from Win XP to Win 10,
> so I would have a Win 7, Win 8, and Win 10 stable of boxen. If you
> successfully updated Win 10 on a 10-year old HP Pavilion, I'm tempted to
> try it.  I'm starting to hear from people who want help learning Win
> 10.  I was going to wait until a year or so went by so I'd know Win 10
> was stable.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 10/05/15 11:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi John
>>
>> Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.
>>
>> The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.
>>
>> That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.
>>
>> So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.
>>
>> /gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  5 15:45:00 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:45:00 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <706368230.33324627.1444076632349.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E993BBDFEAB3C08FA9AECA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<706368230.33324627.1444076632349.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15847A0323817559D612E0D2CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

I'm not so sure - and exactly "the hundreds of desktops" prohibits that.

As most of our clients operate with advertising and TV and movie production, we see a lot of Macs, but when I think about it, I have never met a Linux workstation since we started business - in 1993.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 22:23
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi All:

I thought the future was Linux? ;-)

Linux has around a hundreds of desktops and it runs on and in everything.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:30:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi John

Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.

The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.

That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.

So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  5 16:26:16 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:26:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15847A0323817559D612E0D2CA480@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1660623532.33373266.1444080376702.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

I know that the majority of hardware used in desktop graphic work is the MAC (with their FreeBSD Unix core). One of my daughters works as an animator...of the staff of 185, I think only a couple of people use a Windows machine.

Office workers traditionally use Windows desktops but most of their needs could be easily satisfied with a nice Linux distro. ;-) 

In the technical and scientific community is where Linux desktops rule. Also, as far as I have been aware, most big companies and Web based firms use Linux BE systems.

Of course most of my government work, was in mapping (all Linux and Unix), then a stint with Microsoft, when it was king, but finally pre-retirement work for the banking industry was where all BEs were Linux.

I think it depends on which niche you are in. To my way of thinking Linux is the logical upgrade from Windows desktop but I have always been more interested in server systems. My first computer training was on Unix servers...before the PC even existed...so the die-was-set from the start.

Even Microsoft is going this way. The FE desktops will still be the Windows distro interface (a very pretty one at that) but all Microsoft's management and Cloud system will be completely Linux within a few years. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 1:45:00 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi Jim

I'm not so sure - and exactly "the hundreds of desktops" prohibits that.

As most of our clients operate with advertising and TV and movie production, we see a lot of Macs, but when I think about it, I have never met a Linux workstation since we started business - in 1993.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 22:23
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi All:

I thought the future was Linux? ;-)

Linux has around a hundreds of desktops and it runs on and in everything.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:30:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi John

Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.

The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.

That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.

So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.

/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  6 10:00:36 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:00:36 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584CB79095E57CD717C71D8CA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.

It finished today!

I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.

The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 19. maj 2015 15:17
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.

However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.

In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.

If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Yes:

<quote>
So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour. 

Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
</quote>

It seems to run steady.

/gustav 


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 11:24:59 2015
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:24:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584CB79095E57CD717C71D8CA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584CB79095E57CD717C71D8CA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJTxih0xxoG3xSP=xw_8F3K7SR+TCyZN3LTHWSTFUq3Gg@mail.gmail.com>

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps
check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 19. maj 2015 15:17
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Jim
>
> No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.
>
> However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.
>
> In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.
>
> If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes:
>
> <quote>
> So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour.
>
> Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
> </quote>
>
> It seems to run steady.
>
> /gustav
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  6 13:04:23 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 13:04:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJTxih0xxoG3xSP=xw_8F3K7SR+TCyZN3LTHWSTFUq3Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584CB79095E57CD717C71D8CA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJTxih0xxoG3xSP=xw_8F3K7SR+TCyZN3LTHWSTFUq3Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <050601d10061$6ed0a410$4c71ec30$@winhaven.net>

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne 
> af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 19. maj 2015 15:17
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne 
> af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Jim
>
> No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.
>
> However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.
>
> In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne 
> af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.
>
> If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes:
>
> <quote>
> So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour.
>
> Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
> </quote>
>
> It seems to run steady.
>
> /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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garykjos at gmail.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  6 13:39:15 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 12:39:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584CB79095E57CD717C71D8CA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1983780428.34071482.1444156755763.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Excellent news. The question now is did all the data get recovered and how long will it take to move all the data off onto a new drive?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:00:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.

It finished today!

I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.

The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 19. maj 2015 15:17
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.

However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.

In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.

If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Yes:

<quote>
So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour. 

Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
</quote>

It seems to run steady.

/gustav 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  6 15:49:53 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 20:49:53 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <050601d10061$6ed0a410$4c71ec30$@winhaven.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584CB79095E57CD717C71D8CA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJTxih0xxoG3xSP=xw_8F3K7SR+TCyZN3LTHWSTFUq3Gg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<050601d10061$6ed0a410$4c71ec30$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584DB2E67953EF87F99878ACA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:04
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  6 15:53:14 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 20:53:14 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <1983780428.34071482.1444156755763.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584CB79095E57CD717C71D8CA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1983780428.34071482.1444156755763.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158486FC179C67E2EA96409ACA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

That's what I did with Yodot: Copied the data file by file from the slow drive to a another physical drive.
So nothing more to do other than archiving the data from the good drive to a file server.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:39
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

Excellent news. The question now is did all the data get recovered and how long will it take to move all the data off onto a new drive?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:00:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.

It finished today!

I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.

The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  6 16:59:31 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:59:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158486FC179C67E2EA96409ACA370@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <326579147.34257550.1444168771455.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

I like happy ending. :-)

Aside: Have you ever considered backing it up to the Cloud as I understand Microsoft gives unlimited room and being as their Cloud is using ZFS data loss is nearly impossible.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:53:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Jim

That's what I did with Yodot: Copied the data file by file from the slow drive to a another physical drive.
So nothing more to do other than archiving the data from the good drive to a file server.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:39
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

Excellent news. The question now is did all the data get recovered and how long will it take to move all the data off onto a new drive?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:00:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.

It finished today!

I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.

The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.

/gustav
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  6 19:51:19 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:51:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro
In-Reply-To: <526939106.31686300.1443842488043.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <03f401d0fcce$753b0890$5fb119b0$@winhaven.net>
	<526939106.31686300.1443842488043.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <056c01d1009a$47ff43d0$d7fdcb70$@winhaven.net>

Thanks for the info Jim. However its appears that I could only control a
Linux machine from an eclectic collection of other OSs. I need to control an
OSX from Windows. Might come in handy in the near future though.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi John:

I have been using X2Go at http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php.

It runs across all platforms, runs over SSH (with all the implied security),
does not require a third party company to manage (and charge) for
connections, is very fast and even allows past-through printing and sound. 

I have recently installed it so I will be able to remotely manage my network
and am still working out the details but am so far very impressed.

Considerations: The applications involved run on and connect across all
platforms. You must install an SSH client and server on the respective
computers but it can be done very quickly, it is nice to have an absolutely
secure connection and depending on how the router is configured, the port
you want for the connection may have to be opened. Aside: After an command
line SSH connection can be maintained then X2Go can be installed. 

If you decide to go this route I will be glad to help as I am just getting a
handle on this new tech myself. I am of course using Linux but the installs
and concepts are exactly the same whether it is Windows or Apple or various
smartphones/tablets.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 9:54:45 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi All,

I need to set up remote access (no or low cost) on a MacBook Pro that I can
monitor from my Windows PC. I've attempted RealVNC and I have failed. Any
suggestions as to what I might have missed?

 

TIA,

John B

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  7 04:24:46 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:24:46 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15847D5C6FF7674A8B78686ACA360@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

Yes, I have considered that as I use the standard Windows Server Backup on our servers, and it has an option for easy backup to Azure.
What holds this back, however, is our limited upload bandwidth of only a few Mbit/s which doesn't fit very well to the initial upload, neither to my video files of GB size.

When we get a 100/100 fiber connection, I will for sure use cloud backup.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 7. oktober 2015 00:00
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

I like happy ending. :-)

Aside: Have you ever considered backing it up to the Cloud as I understand Microsoft gives unlimited room and being as their Cloud is using ZFS data loss is nearly impossible.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:53:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Jim

That's what I did with Yodot: Copied the data file by file from the slow drive to a another physical drive.
So nothing more to do other than archiving the data from the good drive to a file server.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:39
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

Excellent news. The question now is did all the data get recovered and how long will it take to move all the data off onto a new drive?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:00:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.

It finished today!

I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.

The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.

/gustav 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  7 07:00:46 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 06:00:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15847D5C6FF7674A8B78686ACA360@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <777615368.34616066.1444219246582.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

If you are not hosting your own DNS server, do not want to be stuck using the ISPs address, planning to move you or your client to another ISP or just want to standardize all your supported networks, you can use the free Google DNS support for Developers. Following this step also leaves less of a foot print on the web as well.

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using?hl=en

Note: If the site does not have either a server or good router there is no fall-over address management so in the event that Google goes off line or as they tend to do, drop a service from time to time, keep a copy of the previous DNS addresses.

Jim

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  7 07:20:32 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 12:20:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15844F0B42FF04A98B3FFBD7CA360@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

These have been known for years and I used them a lot - at least they are nearly impossible to forget.
I stopped, however, to use them permanently when I realized that this free service has a flip side and that is, that it allows Google to track all external activity of your organization - and they do it. 

Very scary.

So I use them for debugging only where they are an excellent tool.

Also, they set a defacto standard for naming in-house DNS servers, n.n.n.4 and n.n.n.8, which I have followed.

/gustav

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Sendt: 7. oktober 2015 14:01
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Emne: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

If you are not hosting your own DNS server, do not want to be stuck using the ISPs address, planning to move you or your client to another ISP or just want to standardize all your supported networks, you can use the free Google DNS support for Developers. Following this step also leaves less of a foot print on the web as well.

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using?hl=en

Note: If the site does not have either a server or good router there is no fall-over address management so in the event that Google goes off line or as they tend to do, drop a service from time to time, keep a copy of the previous DNS addresses.

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  7 07:31:56 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 06:31:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15847D5C6FF7674A8B78686ACA360@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Gustav:

This part of your Christmas wish list? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 2:24:46 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Jim

Yes, I have considered that as I use the standard Windows Server Backup on our servers, and it has an option for easy backup to Azure.
What holds this back, however, is our limited upload bandwidth of only a few Mbit/s which doesn't fit very well to the initial upload, neither to my video files of GB size.

When we get a 100/100 fiber connection, I will for sure use cloud backup.

/gustav

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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

I like happy ending. :-)

Aside: Have you ever considered backing it up to the Cloud as I understand Microsoft gives unlimited room and being as their Cloud is using ZFS data loss is nearly impossible.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:53:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Jim

That's what I did with Yodot: Copied the data file by file from the slow drive to a another physical drive.
So nothing more to do other than archiving the data from the good drive to a file server.

/gustav

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Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:39
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

Excellent news. The question now is did all the data get recovered and how long will it take to move all the data off onto a new drive?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:00:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.

It finished today!

I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.

The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.

/gustav 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  7 07:38:50 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 06:38:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15844F0B42FF04A98B3FFBD7CA360@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2080496914.34638655.1444221530747.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the information. Never heard the downside of this DNS setting...not very sporting of Google is it.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:20:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

Hi Jim

These have been known for years and I used them a lot - at least they are nearly impossible to forget.
I stopped, however, to use them permanently when I realized that this free service has a flip side and that is, that it allows Google to track all external activity of your organization - and they do it. 

Very scary.

So I use them for debugging only where they are an excellent tool.

Also, they set a defacto standard for naming in-house DNS servers, n.n.n.4 and n.n.n.8, which I have followed.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 7. oktober 2015 14:01
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Emne: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

If you are not hosting your own DNS server, do not want to be stuck using the ISPs address, planning to move you or your client to another ISP or just want to standardize all your supported networks, you can use the free Google DNS support for Developers. Following this step also leaves less of a foot print on the web as well.

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using?hl=en

Note: If the site does not have either a server or good router there is no fall-over address management so in the event that Google goes off line or as they tend to do, drop a service from time to time, keep a copy of the previous DNS addresses.

Jim 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  7 07:48:34 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 12:48:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15845B5CFC0F413D850BFD90CA360@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

Well, I don't blame them. It's a free service and you are absolutely free to use it or not, and it goes along their other free services. As often stated, you pay with your data,you?re your money.

Another free service with probably much less side effects is OpenDNS by Cisco:

    https://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/

/gustav


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Sendt: 7. oktober 2015 14:39
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the information. Never heard the downside of this DNS setting...not very sporting of Google is it.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:20:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

Hi Jim

These have been known for years and I used them a lot - at least they are nearly impossible to forget.
I stopped, however, to use them permanently when I realized that this free service has a flip side and that is, that it allows Google to track all external activity of your organization - and they do it. 

Very scary.

So I use them for debugging only where they are an excellent tool.

Also, they set a defacto standard for naming in-house DNS servers, n.n.n.4 and n.n.n.8, which I have followed.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 7. oktober 2015 14:01
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

If you are not hosting your own DNS server, do not want to be stuck using the ISPs address, planning to move you or your client to another ISP or just want to standardize all your supported networks, you can use the free Google DNS support for Developers. Following this step also leaves less of a foot print on the web as well.

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using?hl=en

Note: If the site does not have either a server or good router there is no fall-over address management so in the event that Google goes off line or as they tend to do, drop a service from time to time, keep a copy of the previous DNS addresses.

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  7 08:03:03 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 07:03:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15845B5CFC0F413D850BFD90CA360@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1584848884.34647969.1444222983735.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks again and I will check that out. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:48:34 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

Hi Jim

Well, I don't blame them. It's a free service and you are absolutely free to use it or not, and it goes along their other free services. As often stated, you pay with your data,you?re your money.

Another free service with probably much less side effects is OpenDNS by Cisco:

    https://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 7. oktober 2015 14:39
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the information. Never heard the downside of this DNS setting...not very sporting of Google is it.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:20:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

Hi Jim

These have been known for years and I used them a lot - at least they are nearly impossible to forget.
I stopped, however, to use them permanently when I realized that this free service has a flip side and that is, that it allows Google to track all external activity of your organization - and they do it. 

Very scary.

So I use them for debugging only where they are an excellent tool.

Also, they set a defacto standard for naming in-house DNS servers, n.n.n.4 and n.n.n.8, which I have followed.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 7. oktober 2015 14:01
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Standardize your DNS settings

If you are not hosting your own DNS server, do not want to be stuck using the ISPs address, planning to move you or your client to another ISP or just want to standardize all your supported networks, you can use the free Google DNS support for Developers. Following this step also leaves less of a foot print on the web as well.

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using?hl=en

Note: If the site does not have either a server or good router there is no fall-over address management so in the event that Google goes off line or as they tend to do, drop a service from time to time, keep a copy of the previous DNS addresses.

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  7 09:00:52 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:00:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro
In-Reply-To: <056c01d1009a$47ff43d0$d7fdcb70$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <16037461.34685377.1444226452476.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Actually all platforms are supported. 

<quote>
Installing x2go

X2go is available for Windows, Mac and Linux.  A couple of points to note before using x2go:

    For Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or later, you must install XQuartz (http://xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/) first.
    For Windows, if you don't use full screen mode, you will need to resize the x2go desktop after logging in.  If you don't do this, you might not see the task bar at the bottom of the remote screen.
    Printing to a printer doesn't work but you can "print to file" if needed.

For Windows and Mac, download and run the installer for your operating system:

    Windows - http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_mswin32-setup.exe
    Mac OS X 6 and up - http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_macosx.dmg
    Mac OS X 9 and up -  http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_macosx_10_9.dmg

For more detailed instrhttp://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goclientuctions, including instructions for Linux, see

    x2go download and installation - http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goclient
</quote>

Note: I have not tested any client other than Linux

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow
Here is further instructions:
@winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 5:51:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Thanks for the info Jim. However its appears that I could only control a
Linux machine from an eclectic collection of other OSs. I need to control an
OSX from Windows. Might come in handy in the near future though.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi John:

I have been using X2Go at http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php.

It runs across all platforms, runs over SSH (with all the implied security),
does not require a third party company to manage (and charge) for
connections, is very fast and even allows past-through printing and sound. 

I have recently installed it so I will be able to remotely manage my network
and am still working out the details but am so far very impressed.

Considerations: The applications involved run on and connect across all
platforms. You must install an SSH client and server on the respective
computers but it can be done very quickly, it is nice to have an absolutely
secure connection and depending on how the router is configured, the port
you want for the connection may have to be opened. Aside: After an command
line SSH connection can be maintained then X2Go can be installed. 

If you decide to go this route I will be glad to help as I am just getting a
handle on this new tech myself. I am of course using Linux but the installs
and concepts are exactly the same whether it is Windows or Apple or various
smartphones/tablets.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 9:54:45 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi All,

I need to set up remote access (no or low cost) on a MacBook Pro that I can
monitor from my Windows PC. I've attempted RealVNC and I have failed. Any
suggestions as to what I might have missed?

 

TIA,

John B

 

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  7 13:00:10 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 13:00:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro
In-Reply-To: <16037461.34685377.1444226452476.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <056c01d1009a$47ff43d0$d7fdcb70$@winhaven.net>
	<16037461.34685377.1444226452476.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAG1dlRbgfkJAgOZWVjMSpKQBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

OK, apparently I lost something in the translation. 

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for open source, if I have to install
another OS/UI on top of Unix and OSX then I guess I'm just not interested,
life is complicated enough when trying to manage OSX from Windows without
adding even more layers. 

RealVNC turned into a pain when the OSX is on a MacBook.

So I turned to TeamViewer which is very slick but way too expensive for a
little guy to buy but does offer a 5 user license for non-commercial use for
free. I'm not making any commercials so I guess that means I can use it ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:01 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Actually all platforms are supported. 

<quote>
Installing x2go

X2go is available for Windows, Mac and Linux.  A couple of points to note
before using x2go:

    For Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or later, you must install XQuartz
(http://xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/) first.
    For Windows, if you don't use full screen mode, you will need to resize
the x2go desktop after logging in.  If you don't do this, you might not see
the task bar at the bottom of the remote screen.
    Printing to a printer doesn't work but you can "print to file" if
needed.

For Windows and Mac, download and run the installer for your operating
system:

    Windows -
http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_mswin32-setup.exe
    Mac OS X 6 and up -
http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_macosx.dmg
    Mac OS X 9 and up -
http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_macosx_10_9.dmg

For more detailed
instrhttp://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goclientuctions,
including instructions for Linux, see

    x2go download and installation -
http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goclient
</quote>

Note: I have not tested any client other than Linux

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow
Here is further instructions:
@winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 5:51:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Thanks for the info Jim. However its appears that I could only control a
Linux machine from an eclectic collection of other OSs. I need to control an
OSX from Windows. Might come in handy in the near future though.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi John:

I have been using X2Go at http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php.

It runs across all platforms, runs over SSH (with all the implied security),
does not require a third party company to manage (and charge) for
connections, is very fast and even allows past-through printing and sound. 

I have recently installed it so I will be able to remotely manage my network
and am still working out the details but am so far very impressed.

Considerations: The applications involved run on and connect across all
platforms. You must install an SSH client and server on the respective
computers but it can be done very quickly, it is nice to have an absolutely
secure connection and depending on how the router is configured, the port
you want for the connection may have to be opened. Aside: After an command
line SSH connection can be maintained then X2Go can be installed. 

If you decide to go this route I will be glad to help as I am just getting a
handle on this new tech myself. I am of course using Linux but the installs
and concepts are exactly the same whether it is Windows or Apple or various
smartphones/tablets.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 9:54:45 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi All,

I need to set up remote access (no or low cost) on a MacBook Pro that I can
monitor from my Windows PC. I've attempted RealVNC and I have failed. Any
suggestions as to what I might have missed?

 

TIA,

John B

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  7 17:22:06 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 16:22:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAG1dlRbgfkJAgOZWVjMSpKQBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <242759711.35138991.1444256526384.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

That is the problem. The solutions are terrible, complex or expensive...pick one.

I am not a proponent just for OSS type products...quality and reliability is always number one. The computer age I grew up in was complex...nothing was easy. Do you remember a time when a matching hard drive and interface card had to be chosen with care and then the BIOS on the computer and card had to be hacked with a few lines of 8088 assembler just so the drive would boot. Now I think it has gone too far the other way...simple, stupid, inflexible, unreliable and always expensive.

The real advantages of a product like X2Go is that it can be made to work on anything, can be made completely secure, uses true peer to peer connecting but it is not simple. Installation definitely requires a systems guy, previous preparation and it is not just a product for any client to install.

Aside: Know of a guy, who owns a similar client support business, in Grandforks, North Dakota called Aitispeed: http://www.altispeed.com, who has X2Go on all his clients...several hundred I understand. He would be the ultimate go-to-person at https://plus.google.com/+NoahChelliah/posts for questions and issue resolving. 

Jim    

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:00:10 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

OK, apparently I lost something in the translation. 

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for open source, if I have to install
another OS/UI on top of Unix and OSX then I guess I'm just not interested,
life is complicated enough when trying to manage OSX from Windows without
adding even more layers. 

RealVNC turned into a pain when the OSX is on a MacBook.

So I turned to TeamViewer which is very slick but way too expensive for a
little guy to buy but does offer a 5 user license for non-commercial use for
free. I'm not making any commercials so I guess that means I can use it ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:01 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Actually all platforms are supported. 

<quote>
Installing x2go

X2go is available for Windows, Mac and Linux.  A couple of points to note
before using x2go:

    For Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or later, you must install XQuartz
(http://xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/) first.
    For Windows, if you don't use full screen mode, you will need to resize
the x2go desktop after logging in.  If you don't do this, you might not see
the task bar at the bottom of the remote screen.
    Printing to a printer doesn't work but you can "print to file" if
needed.

For Windows and Mac, download and run the installer for your operating
system:

    Windows -
http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_mswin32-setup.exe
    Mac OS X 6 and up -
http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_macosx.dmg
    Mac OS X 9 and up -
http://code.x2go.org/releases/X2GoClient_latest_macosx_10_9.dmg

For more detailed
instrhttp://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goclientuctions,
including instructions for Linux, see

    x2go download and installation -
http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goclient
</quote>

Note: I have not tested any client other than Linux

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow
Here is further instructions:
@winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 5:51:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Thanks for the info Jim. However its appears that I could only control a
Linux machine from an eclectic collection of other OSs. I need to control an
OSX from Windows. Might come in handy in the near future though.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi John:

I have been using X2Go at http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php.

It runs across all platforms, runs over SSH (with all the implied security),
does not require a third party company to manage (and charge) for
connections, is very fast and even allows past-through printing and sound. 

I have recently installed it so I will be able to remotely manage my network
and am still working out the details but am so far very impressed.

Considerations: The applications involved run on and connect across all
platforms. You must install an SSH client and server on the respective
computers but it can be done very quickly, it is nice to have an absolutely
secure connection and depending on how the router is configured, the port
you want for the connection may have to be opened. Aside: After an command
line SSH connection can be maintained then X2Go can be installed. 

If you decide to go this route I will be glad to help as I am just getting a
handle on this new tech myself. I am of course using Linux but the installs
and concepts are exactly the same whether it is Windows or Apple or various
smartphones/tablets.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 9:54:45 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote access to a MacBook Pro

Hi All,

I need to set up remote access (no or low cost) on a MacBook Pro that I can
monitor from my Windows PC. I've attempted RealVNC and I have failed. Any
suggestions as to what I might have missed?

 

TIA,

John B

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  7 21:32:27 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 20:32:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Microsoft Surface Book
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAG1dlRbgfkJAgOZWVjMSpKQBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1469266438.35326079.1444271547900.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

The new Microsoft Surface Book really looks like a unique package.

It has a full touch screen and a full key board section with all the connector and drives and then it can come full apart. It would be interesting to see how well this works. I understand it uses both the Intel CPU and the NVidia's GPU as a second processor to manage the functioning when the screen is separated from the keyboard section...innovative and tricky.

The down side is that fully loaded (512GB / Intel Core i7) the system costs about $3,499.00 USD...add taxes, shipping (free in the US) and any exchange rates to that before it is sitting on your office desk. It is only 13" as well...I would like a 15", thank you.

The system of course comes with Windows 10 and a whole bunch of other goodies to sweeten the deal. It can supposedly run two applications side by side(?) Considering that most operating systems can run dozens of applications simultaneously, limited only by the RAM and CPU performance, is this some kind of maximum?

In summary, if money is not a major concern this is definitely a very nice package.

Jim  

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 00:42:01 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 01:42:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Microsoft Surface Book
In-Reply-To: <1469266438.35326079.1444271547900.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAG1dlRbgfkJAgOZWVjMSpKQBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<1469266438.35326079.1444271547900.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE9VENsZzRyCOL-2g-mLKQ3GHtLjhRg+Gx4074L8ALKZvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yep. good reviews.  Just 3 times too much money.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The new Microsoft Surface Book really looks like a unique package.
>
> It has a full touch screen and a full key board section with all the
> connector and drives and then it can come full apart. It would be
> interesting to see how well this works. I understand it uses both the Intel
> CPU and the NVidia's GPU as a second processor to manage the functioning
> when the screen is separated from the keyboard section...innovative and
> tricky.
>
> The down side is that fully loaded (512GB / Intel Core i7) the system
> costs about $3,499.00 USD...add taxes, shipping (free in the US) and any
> exchange rates to that before it is sitting on your office desk. It is only
> 13" as well...I would like a 15", thank you.
>
> The system of course comes with Windows 10 and a whole bunch of other
> goodies to sweeten the deal. It can supposedly run two applications side by
> side(?) Considering that most operating systems can run dozens of
> applications simultaneously, limited only by the RAM and CPU performance,
> is this some kind of maximum?
>
> In summary, if money is not a major concern this is definitely a very nice
> package.
>
> Jim
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  8 01:49:56 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 06:49:56 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Microsoft Surface Book
In-Reply-To: <1469266438.35326079.1444271547900.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAG1dlRbgfkJAgOZWVjMSpKQBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>,
	<1469266438.35326079.1444271547900.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584E9B32D021CBE599C6006CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

I want one. But I need to have a Mac budget, so it seems, which I don't have.

/gustav
________________________________
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Sendt: ?08-?10-?2015 04:32
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] The new Microsoft Surface Book

The new Microsoft Surface Book really looks like a unique package.

It has a full touch screen and a full key board section with all the connector and drives and then it can come full apart. It would be interesting to see how well this works. I understand it uses both the Intel CPU and the NVidia's GPU as a second processor to manage the functioning when the screen is separated from the keyboard section...innovative and tricky.

The down side is that fully loaded (512GB / Intel Core i7) the system costs about $3,499.00 USD...add taxes, shipping (free in the US) and any exchange rates to that before it is sitting on your office desk. It is only 13" as well...I would like a 15", thank you.

The system of course comes with Windows 10 and a whole bunch of other goodies to sweeten the deal. It can supposedly run two applications side by side(?) Considering that most operating systems can run dozens of applications simultaneously, limited only by the RAM and CPU performance, is this some kind of maximum?

In summary, if money is not a major concern this is definitely a very nice package.

Jim
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  8 03:03:14 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 08:03:14 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584167DB4C0292886F6EE59CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:04
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  8 10:39:25 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:39:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Enable God Mode in Windows 10
Message-ID: <007201d101df$83160c10$89422430$@winhaven.net>

Create a new folder on your Windows desktop and save it with the name:
GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} 

Open the folder and get access to more than 260 functions and tools. Some
functions are unique to Windows 10 while others are similar to the previous
versions of Windows.

*-in the folder name you can use any name instead of "GodMode"; before the
.{


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  8 13:23:59 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 12:23:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584167DB4C0292886F6EE59CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <583923143.35804183.1444328639509.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

That is so sad and we all had such hopes of a successful recovery. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 1:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:04
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav 

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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Oct  8 15:09:26 2015
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:09:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584167DB4C0292886F6EE59CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584167DB4C0292886F6EE59CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC1574A@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

This site 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272053-32-disk-sectors-incredibly-slow-back-process
has the comment:


Data recovery professionals will tell you that HDD Regenerator and Spinrite are potential drive killers. Your drive appears to have bad media or weak heads. SpinRite will hammer away at a bad sector up to several thousand times, while hoping for 1 good read. This methodology can accelerate the total failure of your drive.

Your best DIY approach would be to clone your drive sector-by-sector using a tool that knows how to work around bad sectors, and then use data recovery software on the clone. 

Some freeware cloning tools are ... 

dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ 
ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html 

Comparison between ddrescue and dd_rescue: 
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue 

Ddrescue can perform multipass cloning. It clones the easy sectors on the first pass, and attempts the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. It can also clone your drive in reverse, thereby disabling lookahead caching. It keeps a log, allowing it to resume after an interruption. 

The following thread discusses various freeware and commercial cloning tools: 
http://forum.hddguru.com/the-best-disk-cloning-hardware..

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 4:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:04
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct  8 15:16:22 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:16:22 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <583923143.35804183.1444328639509.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584167DB4C0292886F6EE59CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<583923143.35804183.1444328639509.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158461FC51F4D736192734D9CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

Cheer up! The data _were_ recovered by Yodot during the ~160 days.
The drive still works - only at an extremely low transfer rate that, in real life, renders it useless.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 8. oktober 2015 20:23
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

That is so sad and we all had such hopes of a successful recovery.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 1:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:04
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  8 15:44:00 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:44:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Enable God Mode in Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <007201d101df$83160c10$89422430$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <536901364.35926142.1444337040412.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

That is so cool...Thanks a lot

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 8:39:25 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Enable God Mode in Windows 10

Create a new folder on your Windows desktop and save it with the name:
GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} 

Open the folder and get access to more than 260 functions and tools. Some
functions are unique to Windows 10 while others are similar to the previous
versions of Windows.

*-in the folder name you can use any name instead of "GodMode"; before the
.{

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  8 15:56:07 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158461FC51F4D736192734D9CA350@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <68357542.35936041.1444337767513.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

All is good then.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 1:16:22 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Jim

Cheer up! The data _were_ recovered by Yodot during the ~160 days.
The drive still works - only at an extremely low transfer rate that, in real life, renders it useless.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 8. oktober 2015 20:23
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gustav:

That is so sad and we all had such hopes of a successful recovery.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 1:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:04
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  8 15:54:03 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:54:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC1574A@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <1382482637.35934676.1444337643487.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Lambert:

That is an excellent set of links and software.

I have played with these tools before but was not sure whether Gustav would be interested in using anything other than Microsoft products to solve the problem...that was my bad. :-(

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lambert Heenan" <Lambert.Heenan at aig.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 1:09:26 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

This site 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272053-32-disk-sectors-incredibly-slow-back-process
has the comment:


Data recovery professionals will tell you that HDD Regenerator and Spinrite are potential drive killers. Your drive appears to have bad media or weak heads. SpinRite will hammer away at a bad sector up to several thousand times, while hoping for 1 good read. This methodology can accelerate the total failure of your drive.

Your best DIY approach would be to clone your drive sector-by-sector using a tool that knows how to work around bad sectors, and then use data recovery software on the clone. 

Some freeware cloning tools are ... 

dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ 
ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html 

Comparison between ddrescue and dd_rescue: 
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue 

Ddrescue can perform multipass cloning. It clones the easy sectors on the first pass, and attempts the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. It can also clone your drive in reverse, thereby disabling lookahead caching. It keeps a log, allowing it to resume after an interruption. 

The following thread discusses various freeware and commercial cloning tools: 
http://forum.hddguru.com/the-best-disk-cloning-hardware..

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 4:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 20:04
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Same for WD drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Glad to hear you got the data you needed off of it. You could perhaps check on the drive manufacturers site for a low level format program.
I have heard that Seagate had one for it's drives at one time.

GK

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My guess at about 140 days for this job (see below) was quite precise. That would have been ultimo September.
>
> It finished today!
>
> I had to break it into some steps with a day in between now and then, so it was quite close.
>
> The malfunctioning drive is running steady but at an incredibly low transfer speed. It has no warranty any longer, so does anyone know if you can "reignite" a SATA drive? In the old days you could do a low level format of a hard drive but I guess the SATA interface prohibits that.
>
> /gustav 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct  8 16:29:09 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 07:29:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Enable God Mode in Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <007201d101df$83160c10$89422430$@winhaven.net>
References: <007201d101df$83160c10$89422430$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <5616E025.10863.7CC89A1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As a slight alternative, I  use a folder named: 
C:\GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
and a shortcut to it on the Desktop instead.

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Oct 2015 at 10:39, John R Bartow wrote:

> Create a new folder on your Windows desktop and save it with the name:
> GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} 
> 
> Open the folder and get access to more than 260 functions and tools.
> Some functions are unique to Windows 10 while others are similar to
> the previous versions of Windows.
> 
> *-in the folder name you can use any name instead of "GodMode"; before
> the .{
> 
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> 



From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  9 00:40:09 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 00:40:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
Message-ID: <010101d10254$f6550350$e2ff09f0$@winhaven.net>

Hi All,
A cable modem, dynamic IP, with a speed of 60Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 60+Mbps.
Check the speed with modem > router > PC 60+Mbps.

Change to a cable modem, static IP, with a speed of 100 Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 100+Mbps.

When connected to the TP-Link TL-WR842ND router can only got 90Mbps tops
(only one device connected to router).
Try a NETGEAR RangeMax WNDR3300 router I can only get 90Mbps tops.
I check and all firmware is up to date. 
Settings in order. But I could be missing something. Any suggestions?

TIA
John B



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  9 01:11:58 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:11:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB1573D7DA81885CEA94D313B0CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

I don't have the detailed specifications for those routers, but it appears that you hit the maximum bandwidth on the WAN side of these cheap routers.

You may need a more expensive router with a confirmed WAN bandwidth specification.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow
Sendt: 9. oktober 2015 07:40
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
Prioritet: H?j

Hi All,
A cable modem, dynamic IP, with a speed of 60Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 60+Mbps.
Check the speed with modem > router > PC 60+Mbps.

Change to a cable modem, static IP, with a speed of 100 Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 100+Mbps.

When connected to the TP-Link TL-WR842ND router can only got 90Mbps tops (only one device connected to router).
Try a NETGEAR RangeMax WNDR3300 router I can only get 90Mbps tops.
I check and all firmware is up to date. 
Settings in order. But I could be missing something. Any suggestions?

TIA
John B 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  9 01:32:02 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:32:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB157328BF320EED1969EDD595CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Lambert

I'll make a note of this. Thanks.

But - am I the only one that have found links to Tom's Hardware nearly impossible to read?
With Edge, the link here is a total mess.
With IE and AdBlocker Plus it is so and so - it looks like something from the 90s.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Heenan, Lambert
Sendt: 8. oktober 2015 22:09
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

This site 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272053-32-disk-sectors-incredibly-slow-back-process
has the comment:


Data recovery professionals will tell you that HDD Regenerator and Spinrite are potential drive killers. Your drive appears to have bad media or weak heads. SpinRite will hammer away at a bad sector up to several thousand times, while hoping for 1 good read. This methodology can accelerate the total failure of your drive.

Your best DIY approach would be to clone your drive sector-by-sector using a tool that knows how to work around bad sectors, and then use data recovery software on the clone. 

Some freeware cloning tools are ... 

dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ 
ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html 

Comparison between ddrescue and dd_rescue: 
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue 

Ddrescue can perform multipass cloning. It clones the easy sectors on the first pass, and attempts the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. It can also clone your drive in reverse, thereby disabling lookahead caching. It keeps a log, allowing it to resume after an interruption. 

The following thread discusses various freeware and commercial cloning tools: 
http://forum.hddguru.com/the-best-disk-cloning-hardware..

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 4:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav 


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri Oct  9 07:59:29 2015
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:59:29 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB157328BF320EED1969EDD595CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB5PR06MB157328BF320EED1969EDD595CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC15FF1@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Hmm.  On my Windows 10 box it looks fine in Edge, Chrome and Firefox. IE for some reason has a hard time displaying it at all. Finally did display it after several attempts though IE says that the site is not responding.

However, on a Windows 7 VM IE displays it fine.


Curious.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Lambert

I'll make a note of this. Thanks.

But - am I the only one that have found links to Tom's Hardware nearly impossible to read?
With Edge, the link here is a total mess.
With IE and AdBlocker Plus it is so and so - it looks like something from the 90s.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Heenan, Lambert
Sendt: 8. oktober 2015 22:09
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

This site 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272053-32-disk-sectors-incredibly-slow-back-process
has the comment:


Data recovery professionals will tell you that HDD Regenerator and Spinrite are potential drive killers. Your drive appears to have bad media or weak heads. SpinRite will hammer away at a bad sector up to several thousand times, while hoping for 1 good read. This methodology can accelerate the total failure of your drive.

Your best DIY approach would be to clone your drive sector-by-sector using a tool that knows how to work around bad sectors, and then use data recovery software on the clone. 

Some freeware cloning tools are ... 

dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ 
ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html 

Comparison between ddrescue and dd_rescue: 
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue 

Ddrescue can perform multipass cloning. It clones the easy sectors on the first pass, and attempts the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. It can also clone your drive in reverse, thereby disabling lookahead caching. It keeps a log, allowing it to resume after an interruption. 

The following thread discusses various freeware and commercial cloning tools: 
http://forum.hddguru.com/the-best-disk-cloning-hardware..

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 4:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  9 11:46:50 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:46:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
In-Reply-To: <010101d10254$f6550350$e2ff09f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1369622960.36535909.1444409210753.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I do not know what particular issues you are facing in that network. I could direct you (see below) to many pieces of monitoring software but I have found in medium to large networks, especially with mixed NICs (10/100/1000) a good Switch can dramatically increase a network's performance. Hubs in mixed speed traffic always degrade to the lowest common denominator. Switches, OTOH handle each connection separately, maintain connections (no more scanning once a connection is established), can isolate parts of an network and will allow for easier isolation of faulty LAN cards and other performance hogs.

I tend to first test the performance of the ISP using a direct connection through their cable modem. ISPs around here tend be continuously changing performance rates and which always seem to degrade but fortunately more money can always solve the bandwidth problems. 

Routers are another set of issues. Unless you get good routers they just use "hub" technology on their ports so they should never be used in a business environment for connecting stations in the network. All performance that may have been gained by using a switch will be lost. The router you are using is not a cheap one. It has also been noted that its performance and through-put is slow though its connection stability is good. If real performance is needed the latest crop of ASUS routers have the top rating this year but if good WiFi is an absolute requirement expect to pay double what was currently paid. (It should be noted that you will never get top performance out of a WiFi connection...it is always slow/slower/slowest)

Aside: Software tend to be the weakest link in most routers. Performance, security, stability and feature gains can be acquired from drivers via OpenWrt software (table of supported hardware: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start) but if this is beyond your comfort zone, I would not pursue it any further. 

For a group of network testing software check out the following: https://www.raymond.cc/blog/network-benchmark-test-your-network-speed (I have not used any of these pieces of software, so I take no responsibility or credit, but understand that some are very good). There is of course the definitive Wireshark (https://www.wireshark.org/) but it is a serious and complex product and should probably only be used if you are trying to find compromised computers on a network.

HTH
Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 10:40:09 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router

Hi All,
A cable modem, dynamic IP, with a speed of 60Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 60+Mbps.
Check the speed with modem > router > PC 60+Mbps.

Change to a cable modem, static IP, with a speed of 100 Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 100+Mbps.

When connected to the TP-Link TL-WR842ND router can only got 90Mbps tops
(only one device connected to router).
Try a NETGEAR RangeMax WNDR3300 router I can only get 90Mbps tops.
I check and all firmware is up to date. 
Settings in order. But I could be missing something. Any suggestions?

TIA
John B


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  9 11:50:34 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:50:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB157328BF320EED1969EDD595CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <64120807.36538813.1444409434217.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

It should be noted that many of the best Geek software sites are discussing but you are not paying for shiny you are paying for good...or not paying at all.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:32:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Lambert

I'll make a note of this. Thanks.

But - am I the only one that have found links to Tom's Hardware nearly impossible to read?
With Edge, the link here is a total mess.
With IE and AdBlocker Plus it is so and so - it looks like something from the 90s.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Heenan, Lambert
Sendt: 8. oktober 2015 22:09
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

This site 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272053-32-disk-sectors-incredibly-slow-back-process
has the comment:


Data recovery professionals will tell you that HDD Regenerator and Spinrite are potential drive killers. Your drive appears to have bad media or weak heads. SpinRite will hammer away at a bad sector up to several thousand times, while hoping for 1 good read. This methodology can accelerate the total failure of your drive.

Your best DIY approach would be to clone your drive sector-by-sector using a tool that knows how to work around bad sectors, and then use data recovery software on the clone. 

Some freeware cloning tools are ... 

dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ 
ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html 

Comparison between ddrescue and dd_rescue: 
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue 

Ddrescue can perform multipass cloning. It clones the easy sectors on the first pass, and attempts the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. It can also clone your drive in reverse, thereby disabling lookahead caching. It keeps a log, allowing it to resume after an interruption. 

The following thread discusses various freeware and commercial cloning tools: 
http://forum.hddguru.com/the-best-disk-cloning-hardware..

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 4:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav 

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Oct  9 19:20:43 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:20:43 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Got_Win10_and_VS2015_Prof_installed_here=2E?=
	=?utf-8?b?Li4=?=
Message-ID: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly on my i7 notebook.
New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)

Congratulations are welcome!

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  9 23:08:37 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 23:08:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB1573D7DA81885CEA94D313B0CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB5PR06MB1573D7DA81885CEA94D313B0CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000201d10311$5740b1c0$05c21540$@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
Are you familiar with ZyXEL network equipment?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router

Hi John

I don't have the detailed specifications for those routers, but it appears
that you hit the maximum bandwidth on the WAN side of these cheap routers.

You may need a more expensive router with a confirmed WAN bandwidth
specification.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
John R Bartow
Sendt: 9. oktober 2015 07:40
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
Prioritet: H?j

Hi All,
A cable modem, dynamic IP, with a speed of 60Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 60+Mbps.
Check the speed with modem > router > PC 60+Mbps.

Change to a cable modem, static IP, with a speed of 100 Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 100+Mbps.

When connected to the TP-Link TL-WR842ND router can only got 90Mbps tops
(only one device connected to router).
Try a NETGEAR RangeMax WNDR3300 router I can only get 90Mbps tops.
I check and all firmware is up to date. 
Settings in order. But I could be missing something. Any suggestions?

TIA
John B 

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  9 23:08:38 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 23:08:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC15FF1@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <DB5PR06MB157328BF320EED1969EDD595CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC15FF1@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <001b01d10311$597285e0$0c5791a0$@winhaven.net>

Browser issues aside, I have found Tom's Hardware to be a rather frustrating
site. In its beginning it was a wonderfully technical site but the
advertising is so pervasive and the cross links between threads are
frustrating as they end up as dead ends at times.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 7:59 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hmm.  On my Windows 10 box it looks fine in Edge, Chrome and Firefox. IE for
some reason has a hard time displaying it at all. Finally did display it
after several attempts though IE says that the site is not responding.

However, on a Windows 7 VM IE displays it fine.


Curious.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Lambert

I'll make a note of this. Thanks.

But - am I the only one that have found links to Tom's Hardware nearly
impossible to read?
With Edge, the link here is a total mess.
With IE and AdBlocker Plus it is so and so - it looks like something from
the 90s.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Heenan, Lambert
Sendt: 8. oktober 2015 22:09
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

This site 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272053-32-disk-sectors-incredibly-slow-bac
k-process
has the comment:


Data recovery professionals will tell you that HDD Regenerator and Spinrite
are potential drive killers. Your drive appears to have bad media or weak
heads. SpinRite will hammer away at a bad sector up to several thousand
times, while hoping for 1 good read. This methodology can accelerate the
total failure of your drive.

Your best DIY approach would be to clone your drive sector-by-sector using a
tool that knows how to work around bad sectors, and then use data recovery
software on the clone. 

Some freeware cloning tools are ... 

dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ 
ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html 

Comparison between ddrescue and dd_rescue: 
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue 

Ddrescue can perform multipass cloning. It clones the easy sectors on the
first pass, and attempts the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. It
can also clone your drive in reverse, thereby disabling lookahead caching.
It keeps a log, allowing it to resume after an interruption. 

The following thread discusses various freeware and commercial cloning
tools: 
http://forum.hddguru.com/the-best-disk-cloning-hardware..

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 4:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi all

Sadly, after three hours this tool reported "Too many bad sectors" and
refused to proceed.
That's probably not the truth but the result of a time-out due to this
drive's extremely slow response.

Seems like I'm left with a goodie for the recycle bin ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Gustav Brock
Sendt: 6. oktober 2015 22:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Hi Gary and John

It's a WD drive and I have located the "Western Digital Data LifeGuard
Diagnostics - WinDlg (DLGDIAG for Windows)".

Will try tomorrow if it can do anything.

/gustav 

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  9 23:08:38 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 23:08:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB1573D7DA81885CEA94D313B0CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB5PR06MB1573D7DA81885CEA94D313B0CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAEPs7pp+l/lDjLsm1da45BABAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
That was a thought in the back of my mind, although I find it rather
ridiculous that new routers, no matter the cost, don't support 100Mbps pass
through.

Any suggestions on a router?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router

Hi John

I don't have the detailed specifications for those routers, but it appears
that you hit the maximum bandwidth on the WAN side of these cheap routers.

You may need a more expensive router with a confirmed WAN bandwidth
specification.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
John R Bartow
Sendt: 9. oktober 2015 07:40
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
Prioritet: H?j

Hi All,
A cable modem, dynamic IP, with a speed of 60Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 60+Mbps.
Check the speed with modem > router > PC 60+Mbps.

Change to a cable modem, static IP, with a speed of 100 Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 100+Mbps.

When connected to the TP-Link TL-WR842ND router can only got 90Mbps tops
(only one device connected to router).
Try a NETGEAR RangeMax WNDR3300 router I can only get 90Mbps tops.
I check and all firmware is up to date. 
Settings in order. But I could be missing something. Any suggestions?

TIA
John B 

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 23:14:28 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 00:14:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
In-Reply-To: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
References: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE_poeuUyVmUkfwpeD2Y6cB5KQGB2EJiFB0Kgiu2qandMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations.
On Oct 9, 2015 8:21 PM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

>  Hi All --
>
> FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly
> on my i7 notebook.
> New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)
>
> Congratulations are welcome!
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 10 05:24:39 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:24:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!
In-Reply-To: <001b01d10311$597285e0$0c5791a0$@winhaven.net>
References: <DB5PR06MB157328BF320EED1969EDD595CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC15FF1@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>,
	<001b01d10311$597285e0$0c5791a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB1573D11EFC3CCB530C3E7B7DCA330@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

Yes, I have a similar experience. 

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 10. oktober 2015 06:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or? Finished!

Browser issues aside, I have found Tom's Hardware to be a rather frustrating
site. In its beginning it was a wonderfully technical site but the
advertising is so pervasive and the cross links between threads are
frustrating as they end up as dead ends at times.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 10 05:31:17 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:31:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
In-Reply-To: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
References: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB157392E759652932A63D7102CA330@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

Congratulations - though I wouldn't have expected another result. Great combo.

There are, however, limits for the versatility of Windows 10. Just for fun, I tried an install on an old IBM Thinkpad R51 2887, a typical mainstream laptop of the day before yesterday. An absolute no-go.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 10. oktober 2015 02:20
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...

 Hi All --

FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly on my i7 notebook.
New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)

Congratulations are welcome!

Thank you.

--
???????????? ??????


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Oct 10 05:37:26 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:37:26 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Got_Win10_and_VS2015_Prof_installed_here=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li4=?=
In-Reply-To: <CAA_iUE_poeuUyVmUkfwpeD2Y6cB5KQGB2EJiFB0Kgiu2qandMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
	<CAA_iUE_poeuUyVmUkfwpeD2Y6cB5KQGB2EJiFB0Kgiu2qandMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1444473446.241145443@f56.i.mail.ru>

 Thank you,John,

Win10 is running really smoothly and speedy - very positive experience so far! - it's like Win95 and MS ACcess2.0/Access 97 times are back - I mean everything is working so speedily and smoothly as it all was around 20+ years ago but it's now powered with .NET Framework 4.x and a lot more options to develop business software applications...

-- Shamil


>Saturday, October 10, 2015 12:14 AM -04:00 from John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>:
>
>Congratulations.
>On Oct 9, 2015 8:21 PM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Hi All --
>>
>> FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly
>> on my i7 notebook.
>> New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)
>>
>> Congratulations are welcome!
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> ???????????? ??????
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 10 05:39:34 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:39:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAEPs7pp+l/lDjLsm1da45BABAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
References: <DB5PR06MB1573D7DA81885CEA94D313B0CA340@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAEPs7pp+l/lDjLsm1da45BABAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB1573D6FC06FCA14A82EA0B8BCA330@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

We mostly use DrayTek and Zyxel - also because of excellent local support. I prefer DrayTek because they have never (really) failed for us and a faster admin interface.

It is hard to find specifications for the WAN bandwidth for cheap routers as they are not expected to connect to fast WAN lines.

However, medium-level routers often have a specification for a maximum of concurrent VPN channels at a given bandwidth which, of course, only is possible if the total bandwidth can be let through. Also, such routers are expected to connect to 100+ Mbit/s fiber connections, while small routers often face an xDSL connection of some kind.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 10. oktober 2015 06:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router

Hi Gustav,
That was a thought in the back of my mind, although I find it rather
ridiculous that new routers, no matter the cost, don't support 100Mbps pass
through.

Any suggestions on a router?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router

Hi John

I don't have the detailed specifications for those routers, but it appears
that you hit the maximum bandwidth on the WAN side of these cheap routers.

You may need a more expensive router with a confirmed WAN bandwidth
specification.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
John R Bartow
Sendt: 9. oktober 2015 07:40
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Cable modem speed reduction by router
Prioritet: H?j

Hi All,
A cable modem, dynamic IP, with a speed of 60Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 60+Mbps.
Check the speed with modem > router > PC 60+Mbps.

Change to a cable modem, static IP, with a speed of 100 Mbps.
Check the speed with PC direct connect to modem 100+Mbps.

When connected to the TP-Link TL-WR842ND router can only got 90Mbps tops
(only one device connected to router).
Try a NETGEAR RangeMax WNDR3300 router I can only get 90Mbps tops.
I check and all firmware is up to date.
Settings in order. But I could be missing something. Any suggestions?

TIA
John B


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Oct 10 05:40:35 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:40:35 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Got_Win10_and_VS2015_Prof_installed_here=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li4=?=
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB157392E759652932A63D7102CA330@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
	<DB5PR06MB157392E759652932A63D7102CA330@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1444473635.523046371@f56.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you. Yes, Win 10 + VS2015 is a really good combo.?

I have a three years old ASUS Intel Core i7 12 GB with 256GB SSD for system files and development tools - works like a charm!?

-- Shamil

>Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:31 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Congratulations - though I wouldn't have expected another result. Great combo.
>
>There are, however, limits for the versatility of Windows 10. Just for fun, I tried an install on an old IBM Thinkpad R51 2887, a typical mainstream laptop of the day before yesterday. An absolute no-go.
>
>/gustav
>
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 10. oktober 2015 02:20
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly on my i7 notebook.
>New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)
>
>Congratulations are welcome!
>
>Thank you.
>
>--
>???????????? ??????
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 10 13:34:03 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:34:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
In-Reply-To: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <889552434.37251582.1444502043254.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

Good for you.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 5:20:43 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...

 Hi All --

FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly on my i7 notebook.
New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)

Congratulations are welcome!

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????
_______________________________________________
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 11 03:29:15 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:29:15 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Got_Win10_and_VS2015_Prof_installed_here=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li4=?=
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB157392E759652932A63D7102CA330@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
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Message-ID: <1444552155.731146410@f414.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

I have just noticed that my notebook cooling system (ventilator) is getting activated with Win10 (much) more often than it was with win 8.1. 
"There is no free cheese in this world" or I should tune my notebook somehow manually? 
FYI: I have a second monitor attached top my notebook, which was set to low resolution 1280 x 960 by default Win10 setup - I have changed it this morning to 1920 x 1080 (it was always like that with Win8.1), I have also changed Win10 default theme ?- used another from Win10 standard list - nothing special,,,

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:31 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Congratulations - though I wouldn't have expected another result. Great combo.
>
>There are, however, limits for the versatility of Windows 10. Just for fun, I tried an install on an old IBM Thinkpad R51 2887, a typical mainstream laptop of the day before yesterday. An absolute no-go.
>
>/gustav
>
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 10. oktober 2015 02:20
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly on my i7 notebook.
>New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)
>
>Congratulations are welcome!
>
>Thank you.
>
>--
>???????????? ??????
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 11 04:43:40 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:43:40 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
In-Reply-To: <1444552155.731146410@f414.i.mail.ru>
References: <1444436442.702512712@f93.i.mail.ru>
	<DB5PR06MB157392E759652932A63D7102CA330@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1444552155.731146410@f414.i.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil

I can't tell as I don't have a similar setup. But you could the power settings of the laptop - usually one is used when you run with the battery only, and another is used when the charger is active

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 11. oktober 2015 10:29
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...

 Hi Gustav --

I have just noticed that my notebook cooling system (ventilator) is getting activated with Win10 (much) more often than it was with win 8.1.
"There is no free cheese in this world" or I should tune my notebook somehow manually?
FYI: I have a second monitor attached top my notebook, which was set to low resolution 1280 x 960 by default Win10 setup - I have changed it this morning to 1920 x 1080 (it was always like that with Win8.1), I have also changed Win10 default theme  - used another from Win10 standard list - nothing special,,,

Thank you.

-- Shamil

From df.waters at outlook.com  Sun Oct 11 06:55:29 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 06:55:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
In-Reply-To: <1444552155.731146410@f414.i.mail.ru>
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	<1444552155.731146410@f414.i.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil,

You might look at your Startup list of applications.  I'm sure Win10 has a few of its own choices!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:29 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...

 Hi Gustav --

I have just noticed that my notebook cooling system (ventilator) is getting activated with Win10 (much) more often than it was with win 8.1. 
"There is no free cheese in this world" or I should tune my notebook somehow manually? 
FYI: I have a second monitor attached top my notebook, which was set to low resolution 1280 x 960 by default Win10 setup - I have changed it this morning to 1920 x 1080 (it was always like that with Win8.1), I have also changed Win10 default theme  - used another from Win10 standard list - nothing special,,,

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:31 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Congratulations - though I wouldn't have expected another result. Great combo.
>
>There are, however, limits for the versatility of Windows 10. Just for fun, I tried an install on an old IBM Thinkpad R51 2887, a typical mainstream laptop of the day before yesterday. An absolute no-go.
>
>/gustav
>
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 10. oktober 2015 02:20
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
>
> Hi All --
>
>FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly on my i7 notebook.
>New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)
>
>Congratulations are welcome!
>
>Thank you.
>
>--
>???????????? ??????
>
>_______________________________________________
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 11 06:59:25 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:59:25 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Got_Win10_and_VS2015_Prof_installed_here=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li4=?=
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	<1444552155.731146410@f414.i.mail.ru>
	<BLU176-DS1086E942765D5349B00220F6320@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1444564765.273421281@f210.i.mail.ru>


Hi Dan and Gustav --

I have set the power plan to "Balanced" (it was set to "High Performance" by Win10 setup AFAIS) - ventilators went to sleep. I'm feeling relaxed :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Sunday, October 11, 2015 6:55 AM -05:00 from Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>:
>
>Hi Shamil,
>
>You might look at your Startup list of applications.  I'm sure Win10 has a few of its own choices!
>
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:29 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>I have just noticed that my notebook cooling system (ventilator) is getting activated with Win10 (much) more often than it was with win 8.1. 
>"There is no free cheese in this world" or I should tune my notebook somehow manually? 
>FYI: I have a second monitor attached top my notebook, which was set to low resolution 1280 x 960 by default Win10 setup - I have changed it this morning to 1920 x 1080 (it was always like that with Win8.1), I have also changed Win10 default theme  - used another from Win10 standard list - nothing special,,,
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:31 AM UTC from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Congratulations - though I wouldn't have expected another result. Great combo.
>>
>>There are, however, limits for the versatility of Windows 10. Just for fun, I tried an install on an old IBM Thinkpad R51 2887, a typical mainstream laptop of the day before yesterday. An absolute no-go.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>________________________________________
>>Fra: dba-Tech <  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>Sendt: 10. oktober 2015 02:20
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: [dba-Tech] Got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here...
>>
>> Hi All --
>>
>>FYI: I have got Win10 and VS2015 Prof installed here - both went smoothly on my i7 notebook.
>>New OS, new software development tools, - feeling young again :)
>>
>>Congratulations are welcome!
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>--
>>???????????? ??????
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 11 07:28:36 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:28:36 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=22Never_ever_change_a_love=2E=2E=2E=22_-_ca?=
 =?utf-8?q?n=27t_get_Siverlight_deubgging_working_after_installong_Win10_a?=
 =?utf-8?b?bmQgVlMyMDE1Li4u?=
Message-ID: <1444566516.601176232@f362.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Here is a tough one, especially for Sunday - any takers??

I have got installed ?Win10 and VS2015.

Now, when I'm trying to start debugging my Silverlight 5 (SL5) business app or just a fresh SL5 business app created from SL5 projects templates (in VS2012 or VS2015) I'm getting a message:

"Unable to start debugging. The SIlverlight Developer Runtime is not installed. The latest runtime can be donwloaded at

? ? http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=146060"

Looks easy to fix by following the link above?

Wait. ?(Google first - see quite a few people have had this issue but nobody yet in Win10?) Try it. Do you have Win10? First try to find in "Programs and Features" where is your Silverlight 5 setup. Do you have it? I don't. So no way to remove SL5 from "Programs and Features"?to rerun its setup and to run a proposed in the above ?link to setup both Silverlight 5 and SL5 Deveolper tools.

When I'm running SL5 setup or SL5 Dev Tools setup they say = "A newer version of Silverlight is already installed" - and there is no anywhere even a small button/link to uninstall this thing...

I have to dig into system registry now. It looks like the only way to fix this issue.?

And SL5 *is working* - I have it running in my application in both IE11 and FF 41.x ...


-- 
???????????? ??????

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 11 07:51:47 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:51:47 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?=22Never_ever_change_a_love=2E=2E=2E=22_-_ca?=
 =?utf-8?q?n=27t_get_Siverlight_deubgging_working_after_installong_Win10_a?=
 =?utf-8?b?bmQgVlMyMDE1Li4u?=
In-Reply-To: <1444566516.601176232@f362.i.mail.ru>
References: <1444566516.601176232@f362.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1444567907.478759491@f331.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

The subject issue solved by removing SL5 System registry key. Then starting VS2015, which asked to setup SL5 dev tools. Running this setup. It failed first time. Then running it again one or more times - I can't reproduce. Anyway it (SL5 debugging) works now for both VS2012 and VS2015.

I'd recommend: please don't touch SL5 and SL5 Business Applications (formerly known as WCF RIA Services) development. Or ask very big fee for such development and plenty of time. Unlimited. As you'll never know what new surprise you'll meet with.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:28 PM +03:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>
>Hi All --
>
>Here is a tough one, especially for Sunday - any takers??
>
>I have got installed ?Win10 and VS2015.
>
>Now, when I'm trying to start debugging my Silverlight 5 (SL5) business app or just a fresh SL5 business app created from SL5 projects templates (in VS2012 or VS2015) I'm getting a message:
>
>"Unable to start debugging. The SIlverlight Developer Runtime is not installed. The latest runtime can be donwloaded at
>
>? ?  http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=146060 "
>
>Looks easy to fix by following the link above?
>
>Wait. ?(Google first - see quite a few people have had this issue but nobody yet in Win10?) Try it. Do you have Win10? First try to find in "Programs and Features" where is your Silverlight 5 setup. Do you have it? I don't. So no way to remove SL5 from "Programs and Features"?to rerun its setup and to run a proposed in the above ?link to setup both Silverlight 5 and SL5 Deveolper tools.
>
>When I'm running SL5 setup or SL5 Dev Tools setup they say = "A newer version of Silverlight is already installed" - and there is no anywhere even a small button/link to uninstall this thing...
>
>I have to dig into system registry now. It looks like the only way to fix this issue.?
>
>And SL5 *is working* - I have it running in my application in both IE11 and FF 41.x ...
>
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 11 08:06:10 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:06:10 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Never ever change a love..." - can't get Siverlight
 deubgging working after installong Win10 and VS2015...
In-Reply-To: <1444567907.478759491@f331.i.mail.ru>
References: <1444566516.601176232@f362.i.mail.ru>,
	<1444567907.478759491@f331.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15844E3488528408415D8784CA320@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

Thanks for the hint.

I haven't used Silverlight on my home machine, but both "Microsoft Silverlight" and "Microsoft Silverlight 5 SDK" seem to be installed.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 11. oktober 2015 14:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] "Never ever change a love..." - can't get Siverlight deubgging working after installong Win10 and VS2015...

 Hi All --

The subject issue solved by removing SL5 System registry key. Then starting VS2015, which asked to setup SL5 dev tools. Running this setup. It failed first time. Then running it again one or more times - I can't reproduce. Anyway it (SL5 debugging) works now for both VS2012 and VS2015.

I'd recommend: please don't touch SL5 and SL5 Business Applications (formerly known as WCF RIA Services) development. Or ask very big fee for such development and plenty of time. Unlimited. As you'll never know what new surprise you'll meet with.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:28 PM +03:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>
>Hi All --
>
>Here is a tough one, especially for Sunday - any takers?
>
>I have got installed  Win10 and VS2015.
>
>Now, when I'm trying to start debugging my Silverlight 5 (SL5) business app or just a fresh SL5 business app created from SL5 projects templates (in VS2012 or VS2015) I'm getting a message:
>
>"Unable to start debugging. The SIlverlight Developer Runtime is not installed. The latest runtime can be donwloaded at
>
>?    http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=146060 "
>
>Looks easy to fix by following the link above?
>
>Wait.  (Google first - see quite a few people have had this issue but nobody yet in Win10?) Try it. Do you have Win10? First try to find in "Programs and Features" where is your Silverlight 5 setup. Do you have it? I don't. So no way to remove SL5 from "Programs and Features"?to rerun its setup and to run a proposed in the above  link to setup both Silverlight 5 and SL5 Deveolper tools.
>
>When I'm running SL5 setup or SL5 Dev Tools setup they say = "A newer version of Silverlight is already installed" - and there is no anywhere even a small button/link to uninstall this thing...
>
>I have to dig into system registry now. It looks like the only way to fix this issue.
>
>And SL5 *is working* - I have it running in my application in both IE11 and FF 41.x ...
>
>
>--
>???????????? ??????


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 11 08:48:56 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:48:56 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Surprise=2C_surprise=2E=2E=2E=3A_Microsoft_s?=
 =?utf-8?q?ays_Edge_browser_will_not_support_Silverlight?=
Message-ID: <1444571336.540831636@f419.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

If you somehow missed the subject news this summer (as I did) - here it's:

"Microsoft says Edge browser will not support Silverlight"

http://www.techspot.com/news/61236-microsoft-edge-browser-not-support-silverlight.html

BTW, I'm typing this message from MS Edge :)

-- ?
???????????? ??????

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 11 08:53:31 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:53:31 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_10_surpasses_100_million_installatio?=
 =?utf-8?q?ns?=
Message-ID: <1444571611.974129956@f393.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --?

FYI: "Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations" -? http://tinyurl.com/q2ts8wc
? Yes, it looks good for me too.

-- 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 11:01:27 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:01:27 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech]
	=?utf-8?q?Windows_10_surpasses_100_million_installatio?=
	=?utf-8?q?ns?=
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References: <1444571611.974129956@f393.i.mail.ru>
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Will I like it better than 8.1? I hate this version. 






Sent from Windows Mail





From: Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: ?Sunday?, ?October? ?11?, ?2015 ?9?:?53? ?AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues





 Hi All -- 

FYI: "Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations" -  http://tinyurl.com/q2ts8wc
  Yes, it looks good for me too.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 11 12:13:09 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:13:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations
In-Reply-To: <1444571611.974129956@f393.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1673988874.37849093.1444583589912.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

I have never seen a fellow more happy with the installation of a new OS. :-)

How many posts have you made? You are flooding my Facebook, I have no idea how many posts you have made to the OT and Tech lists and I suspect this is just the tip of the posting iceberg. Were you actually surprised that Windows 10 installed without issues? ;-)

>From my perspective, I would be shocked if it didn't install. I must admit it sure is a pretty OS.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 6:53:31 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations

 Hi All --?

FYI: "Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations" -? http://tinyurl.com/q2ts8wc
? Yes, it looks good for me too.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 11 12:19:26 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Surprise,
 surprise...: Microsoft says Edge browser will not support
 Silverlight
In-Reply-To: <1444571336.540831636@f419.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <981741232.37851706.1444583966082.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

That is annoying. Is there a substitute? 

I did mention before, a few times, that I believed, according to various tech rumours, that Silverlight's days were numbered. But it might appear again in another iteration.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 6:48:56 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Surprise, surprise...: Microsoft says Edge browser will not support Silverlight

 Hi All --

If you somehow missed the subject news this summer (as I did) - here it's:

"Microsoft says Edge browser will not support Silverlight"

http://www.techspot.com/news/61236-microsoft-edge-browser-not-support-silverlight.html

BTW, I'm typing this message from MS Edge :)

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 11 12:45:19 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:45:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations
In-Reply-To: <1673988874.37849093.1444583589912.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1444571611.974129956@f393.i.mail.ru>,
	<1673988874.37849093.1444583589912.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584578812DC86ED6382C882CA320@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

So you guys are on FB? For fun or programming - or?
I have kept off as can't see how to reserve the time ...

/gustav


________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 11. oktober 2015 19:13
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations

Hi Shamil:

I have never seen a fellow more happy with the installation of a new OS. :-)

How many posts have you made? You are flooding my Facebook, I have no idea how many posts you have made to the OT and Tech lists and I suspect this is just the tip of the posting iceberg. Were you actually surprised that Windows 10 installed without issues? ;-)

>From my perspective, I would be shocked if it didn't install. I must admit it sure is a pretty OS.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 6:53:31 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations

 Hi All --

FYI: "Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations" -  http://tinyurl.com/q2ts8wc
  Yes, it looks good for me too.

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???????????? ??????


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 11 13:10:01 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:10:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584578812DC86ED6382C882CA320@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <833196005.37885242.1444587001274.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

For me Facebook is just for fun. It allows me to see what all my family and friends are up to. A lot of baby picture amongst everyone's favourite photos and videos. It also allows some great links to articles on science, politics, podcasts, new subjects etc. It is similar to the OT, but with a much greater range of subjects, people, points-of-view, lots of graphics and in some cases, a much lighter tone. :-)

The only way to limit FB from eroding all your time is to limit comments and provide less content and be agreeable...but it sure can be a good read at times. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 10:45:19 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations

Hi Jim

So you guys are on FB? For fun or programming - or?
I have kept off as can't see how to reserve the time ...

/gustav


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Sendt: 11. oktober 2015 19:13
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations

Hi Shamil:

I have never seen a fellow more happy with the installation of a new OS. :-)

How many posts have you made? You are flooding my Facebook, I have no idea how many posts you have made to the OT and Tech lists and I suspect this is just the tip of the posting iceberg. Were you actually surprised that Windows 10 installed without issues? ;-)

>From my perspective, I would be shocked if it didn't install. I must admit it sure is a pretty OS.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 6:53:31 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations

 Hi All --

FYI: "Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations" -  http://tinyurl.com/q2ts8wc
  Yes, it looks good for me too.

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 11 14:37:17 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:37:17 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Windows_10_surpasses_100_million_installatio?=
 =?utf-8?q?ns?=
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584578812DC86ED6382C882CA320@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1444571611.974129956@f393.i.mail.ru>
	<1673988874.37849093.1444583589912.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<VI1PR06MB1584578812DC86ED6382C882CA320@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1444592237.439535218@f403.i.mail.ru>

 HI Gustav --

Yes, just to record/share some of the the most significant life and work events - as, e.g., Win10 setup :) - when I started this setup a day before yesterday I have had nothing to do - just to post to Facebook my notebook's Win10 setup installation progress and to listen to 'Martian' audio-book on my Kindle Fire... Well, I have also had and so I have got a few shots of Talisker Whiskey to celebrate this Win10 setup progress... actually I'm finishing a very heavy project which was released last Thursday in UAT and have passed this examination well and tomorrow it should be released to the much broader audience ?here in St.Petersburg... So no Whiskey this evening/night - tomorrow - for sure... :)

-- Shamil


>Sunday, October 11, 2015 5:45 PM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Jim
>
>So you guys are on FB? For fun or programming - or?
>I have kept off as can't see how to reserve the time ...
>
>/gustav
>
>
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >
>Sendt: 11. oktober 2015 19:13
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I have never seen a fellow more happy with the installation of a new OS. :-)
>
>How many posts have you made? You are flooding my Facebook, I have no idea how many posts you have made to the OT and Tech lists and I suspect this is just the tip of the posting iceberg. Were you actually surprised that Windows 10 installed without issues? ;-)
>
>From my perspective, I would be shocked if it didn't install. I must admit it sure is a pretty OS.
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 6:53:31 AM
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations
>
>?Hi All --
>
>FYI: "Windows 10 surpasses 100 million installations" -  http://tinyurl.com/q2ts8wc
>??Yes, it looks good for me too.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 13 16:16:35 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:16:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Trello group collaboration application
In-Reply-To: <1444567907.478759491@f331.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2042360508.39354486.1444770995802.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Trello is a free (entrance level), flexible, and visual way to organize anything with anyone. 

Check it out at: https://trello.com/home

It comes in three sizes; Free, Business Class and Enterprise. Runs on all Operating Systems, Windows/Apple/Linux and most platforms, PC to Smartphone/Tablets. There is enough features in the Free version that can satisfy most client requirement.

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 14 12:44:30 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:44:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A RaspberryPI with everthing
In-Reply-To: <2042360508.39354486.1444770995802.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1829886268.39983644.1444844670015.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

For those who want to update their RaspberryPI why not add a touch screen display?

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-touch-display/

Jim

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 07:12:00 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:12:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>

Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no errors. It
loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled, reinstalled... even
started from scratch with Java, which it requires. Nothing.

So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much and
certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing html files.

Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.

Susan H.

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 15 08:16:37 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 23:16:37 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I use Notepad++

On 15 Oct 2015 at 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
> Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no
> errors. It loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled,
> reinstalled... even started from scratch with Java, which it requires.
> Nothing.
> 
> So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much
> and certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing
> html files.
> 
> Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.
> 
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Oct 15 08:17:56 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:17:56 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0fe6dbd5c8ca4f8d81ab2f87f5264008@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

I'm sure it does HTML but I've never used it for that, but I can highly recommend Notepad++ for all coding/scripting work.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 1:12 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor

Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no errors. It loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled, reinstalled... even started from scratch with Java, which it requires. Nothing.

So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much and certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing html files.

Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.

Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:45:47 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 11:45:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cChLOrX66FhpfStTOo2cZ6+cP5+zxOD8pYvnkuD98irQ@mail.gmail.com>

If I knew enough about tags, Notepad would probably be fine, but I don't.

Susan H.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> I use Notepad++
>
> On 15 Oct 2015 at 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
> > Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
> > Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no
> > errors. It loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled,
> > reinstalled... even started from scratch with Java, which it requires.
> > Nothing.
> >
> > So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much
> > and certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing
> > html files.
> >
> > Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.
> >
> > Susan H.
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:47:44 2015
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:47:44 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cChLOrX66FhpfStTOo2cZ6+cP5+zxOD8pYvnkuD98irQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CA++Sg+cChLOrX66FhpfStTOo2cZ6+cP5+zxOD8pYvnkuD98irQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97EkN3aX-bEYjTb_6mDiZ9g=TB07bKQas5qqnv+BhOmHA@mail.gmail.com>

not used it myself, but have you tried

http://www.coffeecup.com/free-editor/

On 15 October 2015 at 16:45, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I knew enough about tags, Notepad would probably be fine, but I don't.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > I use Notepad++
> >
> > On 15 Oct 2015 at 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:
> >
> > > Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
> > > Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no
> > > errors. It loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled,
> > > reinstalled... even started from scratch with Java, which it requires.
> > > Nothing.
> > >
> > > So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much
> > > and certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing
> > > html files.
> > >
> > > Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 11:03:40 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:03:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE97EkN3aX-bEYjTb_6mDiZ9g=TB07bKQas5qqnv+BhOmHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CA++Sg+cChLOrX66FhpfStTOo2cZ6+cP5+zxOD8pYvnkuD98irQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97EkN3aX-bEYjTb_6mDiZ9g=TB07bKQas5qqnv+BhOmHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fzoXjQDdmAMxWC4KrAXpu2nRu+P85ZErFTAGdHbB_U=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'll take a look. Thank you!

Susan H.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Paul Hartland <
paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> not used it myself, but have you tried
>
> http://www.coffeecup.com/free-editor/
>
> On 15 October 2015 at 16:45, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If I knew enough about tags, Notepad would probably be fine, but I don't.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Stuart McLachlan <
> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I use Notepad++
> > >
> > > On 15 Oct 2015 at 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > >
> > > > Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was
> using
> > > > Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no
> > > > errors. It loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled,
> > > > reinstalled... even started from scratch with Java, which it
> requires.
> > > > Nothing.
> > > >
> > > > So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that
> much
> > > > and certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing
> > > > html files.
> > > >
> > > > Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html
> editor.
> > > >
> > > > Susan H.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 15 11:26:45 2015
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 11:26:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cChLOrX66FhpfStTOo2cZ6+cP5+zxOD8pYvnkuD98irQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CA++Sg+cChLOrX66FhpfStTOo2cZ6+cP5+zxOD8pYvnkuD98irQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561FD3C5.2050404@earthlink.net>

NotePad ugh, but NotePad++ is a terrific code editor including for html.

PB

On 2015-10-15 10:45 AM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> If I knew enough about tags, Notepad would probably be fine, but I don't.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
>> I use Notepad++
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2015 at 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:
>>
>>> Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
>>> Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no
>>> errors. It loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled,
>>> reinstalled... even started from scratch with Java, which it requires.
>>> Nothing.
>>>
>>> So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much
>>> and certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing
>>> html files.
>>>
>>> Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 15 12:25:47 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:25:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02c301d1076e$88854f50$998fedf0$@winhaven.net>

May I ask why you are editing HTML?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 7:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor

Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no errors. It
loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled, reinstalled... even started
from scratch with Java, which it requires. Nothing.

So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much and
certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing html files.

Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.

Susan H.
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 15 13:17:23 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:17:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The perfect router
In-Reply-To: <2042360508.39354486.1444770995802.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <572532385.40845410.1444933043490.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

We have been hearing a lot lately on how easy our routers, our first line of defence, can be hacked. In fact there are commercially available software, on the dark market of course, that provide an excellent set of tools that allow virtually any router to be hacked...by any hacker, even the "script kiddie" variety. The state of most of our router offerings is terrible. Their hardware is old, out-of-date, cheap and then consider the software is even worse. There is no logical software upgrade pass, that anything but a real tech could manage, without potentially "bricking" the product and even then there is no profitable reason why a router company should support out of dated equipment.

That said, there is a solution. There is a line of superior routers, that have first class hardware, come pre-installed with exceptional software and even have an automated (or manual) update cycle and even emergency patches to protect against the latest threats...all just like a real computer. The price is not real cheap, comparison to some of the junk on the market, ($85.50), but it is definitely not expensive considering that the router has features that a $1,500 Cisco may not even have:

http://www.gargoyle-router.com/shop/products/gargoyle-gigabit-router-1-1

Each port can be individually managed, all ports are full Giga-byte ports, it has the lowest latency of any commercial router, all activity on each port, from each address can be fully monitored and it even uses an SSH tunnel to access passwords, a supporting tech can manage all the network's traffic remotely. A remote tech can even login to stations on the network, in case of an emergency. Check out some of the graphics from some of the features:

http://www.gargoyle-router.com/wiki/doku.php?id=screenshots 

Finally, there is online support that can provide assistance. Their routers can run on all platforms, Windows, OSx and Linux as the interface is through the browser. (Note: older versions of IE do not have SVG support and a third party driver will have to be installed so the graphics can be displayed.) The router software is fully Open Source so the stability, security, flexibility and longevity is more than guaranteed. To make the best use of the router(s), there is a full set of documentation from the basics, how to properly deploy the product and even how to do some additional development on the software. I have heard on a podcast, from a number of techs and developers, who use the router, some exclusively and they all are very happy with the product. 

For the record, this will definitely be my next router.

Jim   

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 15 13:21:43 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <02c301d1076e$88854f50$998fedf0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <631484883.40850403.1444933303285.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

There are some excellent Markdown editors, designed for people who do not what to learn how to do HTML and still need presentable web pages.

http://www.sitepoint.com/best-markdown-editors-windows

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:25:47 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] html editor

May I ask why you are editing HTML?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 7:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor

Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no errors. It
loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled, reinstalled... even started
from scratch with Java, which it requires. Nothing.

So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much and
certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing html files.

Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.

Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:46:14 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:46:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <02c301d1076e$88854f50$998fedf0$@winhaven.net>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<02c301d1076e$88854f50$998fedf0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fYCv+kQqF1OUGE5fPdE4TgJeTDb0Ps9RZFJd0cb2aU1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Authors send errata list in html format for posting online. It was the
original format but I can use whatever I choose. I've been converting to
pdfs lately. I have to have a benign, universal format to work with though
because they have such varied skills. Now that Word can convert to pdf
though, I'm just as apt to start asking for a Word or text document.

Susan H.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:25 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> May I ask why you are editing HTML?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 7:12 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
>
> Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
> Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no errors. It
> loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled, reinstalled... even
> started
> from scratch with Java, which it requires. Nothing.
>
> So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much and
> certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing html files.
>
> Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.
>
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Oct 15 15:05:01 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:05:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] html editor
In-Reply-To: <561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CA++Sg+fFVdtTDUoHe6iCr7FgWxckfpN=CB1qcWwA+0H05q1+yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<561FA735.14927.2A15F3BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <562006ED.6040408@torchlake.com>

Me, too!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/15/15 9:16 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> I use Notepad++
>
> On 15 Oct 2015 at 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>> Would someone please recommend a free, stable html editor? I was using
>> Arachnaphilia, but it just stopped working -- no explanation, no
>> errors. It loads, it just won't do anything. I uninstalled,
>> reinstalled... even started from scratch with Java, which it requires.
>> Nothing.
>>
>> So, I guess I need a new one -- free is nice. I don't use it that much
>> and certainly not in a development environment -- just for editing
>> html files.
>>
>> Right now I'm stuck using Word, which totally sucks as an html editor.
>>
>> Susan H.
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 05:44:24 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 06:44:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is the strangest problem I think I have ever encountered. Normally I
run my laptop "as" a desktop: I seldom move it from my desk, and it's got
lots of peripherals attached, including speakers, a 4-port USB 3.0 hub,
wireless keyboard/mouse, and a 22" Acer external monitor.

And there's the rub. Everything has worked perfectly for a few years now,
until recently. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, the display turned
upside-down, on both the built-in display and the external monitor. After
some experimentation, I discovered that if I unplug the external monitor,
the built-in display returns to rightside-up, but the moment I plug in the
external again, both displays revert to upside-down. I haven't made any
changes to anything. True, once in a while my kitten likes to lie on the
built-in keyboard, for warmth presumably, so it may just be possible that
she hit some magic keystroke that caused this, but on the other hand, that
doesn't explain why unplugging the external returns the built-in display to
normal.

I'm baffled. It's no big deal, ultimately, since the built-in monitor works
fine. But I did enjoy having the pair of monitors in stretch mode.

Has anyone got a clue why this is happening? Or suggestions as to what I
might look at to restore it to normal behaviour? I do have another monitor
but it's attached to my desktop computer, and it's a hassle to switch them.

While I'm at it, on the 22" Acer monitor there are four buttons beneath the
display, whose purpose I have never bothered to figure out, and naturally
the user guide is long gone.

-- 
Arthur

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 08:07:47 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:07:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+eojGmUYZYxusfCNjpgYyBL6PPFWYNLnH+U_5oQ65rnaA@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur, our Acre gave up the ghost after just a couple of years. We aren't
happy with it. :( My only suggestion is to check your updates and see if
anything was updated about the same time and then uninstall it. If that
doesn't work, try a system restore.

Susan H.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is the strangest problem I think I have ever encountered. Normally I
> run my laptop "as" a desktop: I seldom move it from my desk, and it's got
> lots of peripherals attached, including speakers, a 4-port USB 3.0 hub,
> wireless keyboard/mouse, and a 22" Acer external monitor.
>
> And there's the rub. Everything has worked perfectly for a few years now,
> until recently. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, the display turned
> upside-down, on both the built-in display and the external monitor. After
> some experimentation, I discovered that if I unplug the external monitor,
> the built-in display returns to rightside-up, but the moment I plug in the
> external again, both displays revert to upside-down. I haven't made any
> changes to anything. True, once in a while my kitten likes to lie on the
> built-in keyboard, for warmth presumably, so it may just be possible that
> she hit some magic keystroke that caused this, but on the other hand, that
> doesn't explain why unplugging the external returns the built-in display to
> normal.
>
> I'm baffled. It's no big deal, ultimately, since the built-in monitor works
> fine. But I did enjoy having the pair of monitors in stretch mode.
>
> Has anyone got a clue why this is happening? Or suggestions as to what I
> might look at to restore it to normal behaviour? I do have another monitor
> but it's attached to my desktop computer, and it's a hassle to switch them.
>
> While I'm at it, on the 22" Acer monitor there are four buttons beneath the
> display, whose purpose I have never bothered to figure out, and naturally
> the user guide is long gone.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 18 08:23:53 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 06:23:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+eojGmUYZYxusfCNjpgYyBL6PPFWYNLnH+U_5oQ65rnaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+eojGmUYZYxusfCNjpgYyBL6PPFWYNLnH+U_5oQ65rnaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03379B1E7D104AF994BBCEBB72FE0FF3@HAL9007>

Does Ctrl-Alt-Up arrow fix it? Or Ctrl-Shift-Up Arrow (or Down Arrow)

rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 6:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop

Arthur, our Acre gave up the ghost after just a couple of years. We aren't
happy with it. :( My only suggestion is to check your updates and see if
anything was updated about the same time and then uninstall it. If that
doesn't work, try a system restore.

Susan H.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is the strangest problem I think I have ever encountered. 
> Normally I run my laptop "as" a desktop: I seldom move it from my 
> desk, and it's got lots of peripherals attached, including speakers, a 
> 4-port USB 3.0 hub, wireless keyboard/mouse, and a 22" Acer external
monitor.
>
> And there's the rub. Everything has worked perfectly for a few years 
> now, until recently. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, the display 
> turned upside-down, on both the built-in display and the external 
> monitor. After some experimentation, I discovered that if I unplug the 
> external monitor, the built-in display returns to rightside-up, but 
> the moment I plug in the external again, both displays revert to 
> upside-down. I haven't made any changes to anything. True, once in a 
> while my kitten likes to lie on the built-in keyboard, for warmth 
> presumably, so it may just be possible that she hit some magic 
> keystroke that caused this, but on the other hand, that doesn't 
> explain why unplugging the external returns the built-in display to
normal.
>
> I'm baffled. It's no big deal, ultimately, since the built-in monitor 
> works fine. But I did enjoy having the pair of monitors in stretch mode.
>
> Has anyone got a clue why this is happening? Or suggestions as to what 
> I might look at to restore it to normal behaviour? I do have another 
> monitor but it's attached to my desktop computer, and it's a hassle to
switch them.
>
> While I'm at it, on the 22" Acer monitor there are four buttons 
> beneath the display, whose purpose I have never bothered to figure 
> out, and naturally the user guide is long gone.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 09:25:18 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:25:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
In-Reply-To: <03379B1E7D104AF994BBCEBB72FE0FF3@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+eojGmUYZYxusfCNjpgYyBL6PPFWYNLnH+U_5oQ65rnaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<03379B1E7D104AF994BBCEBB72FE0FF3@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j79ZnRt45NGVcxhF_FcKmW-pWT6PvE14DZcamXeGdf0Q@mail.gmail.com>

You're a genius, Rocky! But we all knew that. Ctrl-Alt-up did the trick.
How did you guess that would work?

Thanks a ton.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Does Ctrl-Alt-Up arrow fix it? Or Ctrl-Shift-Up Arrow (or Down Arrow)
>
> rocky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 6:08 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
>
> Arthur, our Acre gave up the ghost after just a couple of years. We aren't
> happy with it. :( My only suggestion is to check your updates and see if
> anything was updated about the same time and then uninstall it. If that
> doesn't work, try a system restore.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is the strangest problem I think I have ever encountered.
> > Normally I run my laptop "as" a desktop: I seldom move it from my
> > desk, and it's got lots of peripherals attached, including speakers, a
> > 4-port USB 3.0 hub, wireless keyboard/mouse, and a 22" Acer external
> monitor.
> >
> > And there's the rub. Everything has worked perfectly for a few years
> > now, until recently. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, the display
> > turned upside-down, on both the built-in display and the external
> > monitor. After some experimentation, I discovered that if I unplug the
> > external monitor, the built-in display returns to rightside-up, but
> > the moment I plug in the external again, both displays revert to
> > upside-down. I haven't made any changes to anything. True, once in a
> > while my kitten likes to lie on the built-in keyboard, for warmth
> > presumably, so it may just be possible that she hit some magic
> > keystroke that caused this, but on the other hand, that doesn't
> > explain why unplugging the external returns the built-in display to
> normal.
> >
> > I'm baffled. It's no big deal, ultimately, since the built-in monitor
> > works fine. But I did enjoy having the pair of monitors in stretch mode.
> >
> > Has anyone got a clue why this is happening? Or suggestions as to what
> > I might look at to restore it to normal behaviour? I do have another
> > monitor but it's attached to my desktop computer, and it's a hassle to
> switch them.
> >
> > While I'm at it, on the 22" Acer monitor there are four buttons
> > beneath the display, whose purpose I have never bothered to figure
> > out, and naturally the user guide is long gone.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 18 09:34:38 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:34:38 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j79ZnRt45NGVcxhF_FcKmW-pWT6PvE14DZcamXeGdf0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com><CA++Sg+eojGmUYZYxusfCNjpgYyBL6PPFWYNLnH+U_5oQ65rnaA@mail.gmail.com><03379B1E7D104AF994BBCEBB72FE0FF3@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1j79ZnRt45NGVcxhF_FcKmW-pWT6PvE14DZcamXeGdf0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7322C82125DA419085D2303BFDFF6997@HAL9007>

I just do what the internets tell me to do. :)

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop

You're a genius, Rocky! But we all knew that. Ctrl-Alt-up did the trick.
How did you guess that would work?

Thanks a ton.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Does Ctrl-Alt-Up arrow fix it? Or Ctrl-Shift-Up Arrow (or Down Arrow)
>
> rocky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 6:08 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
>
> Arthur, our Acre gave up the ghost after just a couple of years. We 
> aren't happy with it. :( My only suggestion is to check your updates 
> and see if anything was updated about the same time and then uninstall 
> it. If that doesn't work, try a system restore.
>
> Susan H.
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Arthur Fuller 
> <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is the strangest problem I think I have ever encountered.
> > Normally I run my laptop "as" a desktop: I seldom move it from my 
> > desk, and it's got lots of peripherals attached, including speakers, 
> > a 4-port USB 3.0 hub, wireless keyboard/mouse, and a 22" Acer 
> > external
> monitor.
> >
> > And there's the rub. Everything has worked perfectly for a few years 
> > now, until recently. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, the display 
> > turned upside-down, on both the built-in display and the external 
> > monitor. After some experimentation, I discovered that if I unplug 
> > the external monitor, the built-in display returns to rightside-up, 
> > but the moment I plug in the external again, both displays revert to 
> > upside-down. I haven't made any changes to anything. True, once in a 
> > while my kitten likes to lie on the built-in keyboard, for warmth 
> > presumably, so it may just be possible that she hit some magic 
> > keystroke that caused this, but on the other hand, that doesn't 
> > explain why unplugging the external returns the built-in display to
> normal.
> >
> > I'm baffled. It's no big deal, ultimately, since the built-in 
> > monitor works fine. But I did enjoy having the pair of monitors in
stretch mode.
> >
> > Has anyone got a clue why this is happening? Or suggestions as to 
> > what I might look at to restore it to normal behaviour? I do have 
> > another monitor but it's attached to my desktop computer, and it's a 
> > hassle to
> switch them.
> >
> > While I'm at it, on the 22" Acer monitor there are four buttons 
> > beneath the display, whose purpose I have never bothered to figure 
> > out, and naturally the user guide is long gone.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 11:34:20 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:34:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
In-Reply-To: <7322C82125DA419085D2303BFDFF6997@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA++Sg+eojGmUYZYxusfCNjpgYyBL6PPFWYNLnH+U_5oQ65rnaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<03379B1E7D104AF994BBCEBB72FE0FF3@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1j79ZnRt45NGVcxhF_FcKmW-pWT6PvE14DZcamXeGdf0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7322C82125DA419085D2303BFDFF6997@HAL9007>
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Lots of girls do the same thing, Rocky, and probably make more money than
you :)

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> I just do what the internets tell me to do. :)

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 18 13:38:55 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:38:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
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You haven't seen my price list...

r 

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From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop

Lots of girls do the same thing, Rocky, and probably make more money than
you :)

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> I just do what the internets tell me to do. :)
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 18 13:41:17 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:41:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iUdKHpun1xDZWZ2_OOd_bjaWZJFByeaCH+Z9R4kgD4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur:

Unfortunately, I have no simple answer to your situation but it doesn't sound insurmountable...if this error hasn't been documented on the web. One note that I may say is that, traditionally, too many peripheral on a laptop will lead to problems unless you have a very top end product...laptops were never built to be used in this way...they are supposed to be lean and portable and high port usage will cause power problems. I have resolved issues by connecting peripherals one at a time when the machine has fully booted...don't boot with every thing connected as it could eventually blow something on the motherboard or fry a port or two... 

IMHO, when using a lot of peripherals use a desk-top type computer as that is what they are meant for. 

Of course you have a cat which could inadvertently cause all sorts of problems...I have a grandson who could challenge the best of techs. ;-)

Jim    

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 3:44:24 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird problem with Dell Inspiron laptop

This is the strangest problem I think I have ever encountered. Normally I
run my laptop "as" a desktop: I seldom move it from my desk, and it's got
lots of peripherals attached, including speakers, a 4-port USB 3.0 hub,
wireless keyboard/mouse, and a 22" Acer external monitor.

And there's the rub. Everything has worked perfectly for a few years now,
until recently. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, the display turned
upside-down, on both the built-in display and the external monitor. After
some experimentation, I discovered that if I unplug the external monitor,
the built-in display returns to rightside-up, but the moment I plug in the
external again, both displays revert to upside-down. I haven't made any
changes to anything. True, once in a while my kitten likes to lie on the
built-in keyboard, for warmth presumably, so it may just be possible that
she hit some magic keystroke that caused this, but on the other hand, that
doesn't explain why unplugging the external returns the built-in display to
normal.

I'm baffled. It's no big deal, ultimately, since the built-in monitor works
fine. But I did enjoy having the pair of monitors in stretch mode.

Has anyone got a clue why this is happening? Or suggestions as to what I
might look at to restore it to normal behaviour? I do have another monitor
but it's attached to my desktop computer, and it's a hassle to switch them.

While I'm at it, on the 22" Acer monitor there are four buttons beneath the
display, whose purpose I have never bothered to figure out, and naturally
the user guide is long gone.

-- 
Arthur
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct 19 04:58:16 2015
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:58:16 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AE6F163@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Morning

I have an Outlook Email with several documents attached. Using Preview or double clicking the documents opens the incorrect document. Anyone ever seen this before?

Martin

Martin W Reid
Business Services Team Leader
Information Services
50 Elmwood Avenue
Queen's University Belfast
Belfast BT9 6AZ

Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174
Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 19 07:58:49 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 05:58:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AE6F163@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AE6F163@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <9502EC76002B435DAB8D475FFD04E8A4@HAL9007>

Never.  How about a compact of the pst file? When Outlook closes
unexpectedly, when I reopen it, it goes thorough a long process of checking
the email file.  Which might correct the problem, but I don't know how to
trigger that function.

R
 

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Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 2:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues(dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Morning

I have an Outlook Email with several documents attached. Using Preview or
double clicking the documents opens the incorrect document. Anyone ever seen
this before?

Martin

Martin W Reid
Business Services Team Leader
Information Services
50 Elmwood Avenue
Queen's University Belfast
Belfast BT9 6AZ

Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174
Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From df.waters at outlook.com  Mon Oct 19 08:22:38 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:22:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue
In-Reply-To: <9502EC76002B435DAB8D475FFD04E8A4@HAL9007>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AE6F163@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<9502EC76002B435DAB8D475FFD04E8A4@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS9EBA2F7D5CC16C8498862F63A0@phx.gbl>

Hi Rocky,

Try this:
https://support.office.com/en-US/article/Repair-Outlook-Data-Files-pst-and-o
st-25663BC3-11EC-4412-86C4-60458AFC5253

I'd make a backup of the pst file first.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 7:59 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Never.  How about a compact of the pst file? When Outlook closes
unexpectedly, when I reopen it, it goes thorough a long process of checking
the email file.  Which might correct the problem, but I don't know how to
trigger that function.

R
 

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Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 2:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues(dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Morning

I have an Outlook Email with several documents attached. Using Preview or
double clicking the documents opens the incorrect document. Anyone ever seen
this before?

Martin

Martin W Reid
Business Services Team Leader
Information Services
50 Elmwood Avenue
Queen's University Belfast
Belfast BT9 6AZ

Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174
Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 19 09:00:52 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 07:00:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS9EBA2F7D5CC16C8498862F63A0@phx.gbl>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AE6F163@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk><9502EC76002B435DAB8D475FFD04E8A4@HAL9007>
	<BLU176-DS9EBA2F7D5CC16C8498862F63A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D9A2A9ACBCBC47C787492169EC8D0BF3@HAL9007>

Looks good, thanks.

Over to you, Martin.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 6:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Hi Rocky,

Try this:
https://support.office.com/en-US/article/Repair-Outlook-Data-Files-pst-and-o
st-25663BC3-11EC-4412-86C4-60458AFC5253

I'd make a backup of the pst file first.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 7:59 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Never.  How about a compact of the pst file? When Outlook closes
unexpectedly, when I reopen it, it goes thorough a long process of checking
the email file.  Which might correct the problem, but I don't know how to
trigger that function.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 2:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues(dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Morning

I have an Outlook Email with several documents attached. Using Preview or
double clicking the documents opens the incorrect document. Anyone ever seen
this before?

Martin

Martin W Reid
Business Services Team Leader
Information Services
50 Elmwood Avenue
Queen's University Belfast
Belfast BT9 6AZ

Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174
Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct 19 09:02:12 2015
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:02:12 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue
In-Reply-To: <D9A2A9ACBCBC47C787492169EC8D0BF3@HAL9007>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AE6F163@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk><9502EC76002B435DAB8D475FFD04E8A4@HAL9007>
	<BLU176-DS9EBA2F7D5CC16C8498862F63A0@phx.gbl>
	<D9A2A9ACBCBC47C787492169EC8D0BF3@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AE6F7C4@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Wil give it shot

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 19 October 2015 15:01
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Looks good, thanks.

Over to you, Martin.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 6:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Hi Rocky,

Try this:
https://support.office.com/en-US/article/Repair-Outlook-Data-Files-pst-and-o
st-25663BC3-11EC-4412-86C4-60458AFC5253

I'd make a backup of the pst file first.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 7:59 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Never.  How about a compact of the pst file? When Outlook closes unexpectedly, when I reopen it, it goes thorough a long process of checking the email file.  Which might correct the problem, but I don't know how to trigger that function.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 2:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues(dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange Outlook 2013 Issue

Morning

I have an Outlook Email with several documents attached. Using Preview or double clicking the documents opens the incorrect document. Anyone ever seen this before?

Martin

Martin W Reid
Business Services Team Leader
Information Services
50 Elmwood Avenue
Queen's University Belfast
Belfast BT9 6AZ

Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174
Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 19 17:13:41 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:13:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use a VM to create a disk image
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACF22RC3KWdEkmLp1h8C0yTCgAAAEAAAAAChVnw/QxNEhP7xcSifczEBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Here's a bit of twist, I have a Win7 client machine running an XP VM for an
app that does run on Windows 7. The serial communications device that it
needs to use has become increasingly problematic.

So, client wants to set up an XP PC and use it only for this purpose,
nothing else. 

Problem is that they lost they install CD and there is no way to get another
as the company is gone.

Can I use the VM to create a disk image which will then run the hardware XP
PC?


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 19 22:50:50 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:50:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use a VM to create a disk image
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Hi John:

In theory, it should be easy but I have never gone that route. I would have a tendency to just get any XP disk, there are probably a few around, and do the deed as Microsoft wants nothing to do with that dead OS. Just image the drive first and maybe the COM ports are in fact borked so it may require a new box so I would try moving the hard drive to another beater box before writing off the old system. 

OTOH, (...and you know what I am going to say. ;-)) if the clients have copies of the original application they wish to run, it can easily be run-up on a Ubuntu Linux box. Linux has a good dozen applications designed support Windows apps from DOS on up. If I was there I could help you and run it up in around an hour and your customer would have the old application running on a super secure and fast operating system with little expense to yourself or client.

Jim

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 3:13:41 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use a VM to create a disk image

Here's a bit of twist, I have a Win7 client machine running an XP VM for an
app that does run on Windows 7. The serial communications device that it
needs to use has become increasingly problematic.

So, client wants to set up an XP PC and use it only for this purpose,
nothing else. 

Problem is that they lost they install CD and there is no way to get another
as the company is gone.

Can I use the VM to create a disk image which will then run the hardware XP
PC?

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 20 03:58:44 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:58:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Use a VM to create a disk image
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15842640940C46971E9C19D8CA390@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

That should be possible, though I have never done it myself except from restoring a Windows backup which - essentially - is the same. Here is one guide:

http://www.altaro.com/hyper-v/virtual-to-physical-conversions-v2p/

Note the trick with the network adapter.

Another option is to use, say, Acronis to create a backup of the running VM, then restore that to a physical drive.

Also, if the serial port is the only issue, have you tried using an USB to serial converter?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 20. oktober 2015 00:14
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Use a VM to create a disk image
Prioritet: H?j

Here's a bit of twist, I have a Win7 client machine running an XP VM for an app that does run on Windows 7. The serial communications device that it needs to use has become increasingly problematic.

So, client wants to set up an XP PC and use it only for this purpose, nothing else. 

Problem is that they lost they install CD and there is no way to get another as the company is gone.

Can I use the VM to create a disk image which will then run the hardware XP PC? 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:59:32 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:59:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1its9j7gb-0wy22q4SxA_dS_H8JkyA6sZJRp5RDzEN30A@mail.gmail.com>

The time machine in that movie leapt forward to October 21, 2015.

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 21 09:11:23 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:11:23 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584CB35332895D1115D7DFACA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

And it has the much more powerful German title, I'll never forget: 

    Zur?ck zum Zukunft

You can nearly taste it.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:00
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

The time machine in that movie leapt forward to October 21, 2015.

-- 
Arthur 


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Oct 21 09:42:25 2015
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:42:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584CB35332895D1115D7DFACA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584CB35332895D1115D7DFACA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <009e01d10c0e$b413b180$1c3b1480$@de>

I think it should read:

"Zur?ck in die Zukunft" or translated "Back to the Future"

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Gustav Brock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 16:11
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

Hi Arthur

And it has the much more powerful German title, I'll never forget: 

    Zur?ck zum Zukunft

You can nearly taste it.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:00
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

The time machine in that movie leapt forward to October 21, 2015.

-- 
Arthur 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 21 10:00:02 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:00:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158448FA84A460FEB8C9048FCA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Helmuth

You should know - and, sadly, now when I browse for it, I only find "Zur?ck in die Zukunft".
Except for this:

http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Back-to-the-future-Top-Comfort-cotton-T-shirt-Fashion-Brand-men-t-shirt-new-high/32365712534.html

which isn't related to the movie.

Well. It's many years ago - I may have had it from a newspaper.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Helmut Kotsch
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:42
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

I think it should read:

"Zur?ck in die Zukunft" or translated "Back to the Future"

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Gustav Brock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 16:11
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

Hi Arthur

And it has the much more powerful German title, I'll never forget: 

    Zur?ck zum Zukunft

You can nearly taste it.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:00
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

The time machine in that movie leapt forward to October 21, 2015.

--
Arthur 


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Oct 21 10:59:07 2015
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:59:07 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158448FA84A460FEB8C9048FCA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB158448FA84A460FEB8C9048FCA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00a801d10c19$6b215f80$41641e80$@de>

Hi Gustav,

you may have read "Zur?ck zur Zukunft". The Word "ZUR" is the short form for
"ZU deR" (to the). 

Helmut  

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Gustav Brock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 17:00
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

Hi Helmuth

You should know - and, sadly, now when I browse for it, I only find "Zur?ck
in die Zukunft".
Except for this:

http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Back-to-the-future-Top-Comfort-cotton-T-shirt-
Fashion-Brand-men-t-shirt-new-high/32365712534.html

which isn't related to the movie.

Well. It's many years ago - I may have had it from a newspaper.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Helmut Kotsch
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:42
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

I think it should read:

"Zur?ck in die Zukunft" or translated "Back to the Future"

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Gustav Brock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 16:11
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

Hi Arthur

And it has the much more powerful German title, I'll never forget: 

    Zur?ck zum Zukunft

You can nearly taste it.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:00
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

The time machine in that movie leapt forward to October 21, 2015.

--
Arthur 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 21 11:07:11 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:07:11 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584D07585B8852960C6D144CA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Helmuth

Yes, that could it be - it makes more sense.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Helmut Kotsch
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 17:59
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

Hi Gustav,

you may have read "Zur?ck zur Zukunft". The Word "ZUR" is the short form for "ZU deR" (to the). 

Helmut  

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Gustav Brock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 17:00
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

Hi Helmuth

You should know - and, sadly, now when I browse for it, I only find "Zur?ck in die Zukunft".
Except for this:

http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Back-to-the-future-Top-Comfort-cotton-T-shirt-
Fashion-Brand-men-t-shirt-new-high/32365712534.html

which isn't related to the movie.

Well. It's many years ago - I may have had it from a newspaper.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Helmut Kotsch
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:42
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

I think it should read:

"Zur?ck in die Zukunft" or translated "Back to the Future"

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Gustav Brock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 16:11
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

Hi Arthur

And it has the much more powerful German title, I'll never forget: 

    Zur?ck zum Zukunft

You can nearly taste it.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:00
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today

The time machine in that movie leapt forward to October 21, 2015.

--
Arthur 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 22:44:43 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:44:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584D07585B8852960C6D144CA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584D07585B8852960C6D144CA380@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iHTekinMo7KOiMddwvVM=R0Km9BRXmmoGE-VaMDBcdVA@mail.gmail.com>

It's clearly about time I learned another language. So far, I'm competent
in French and Spanish and a little Mandarin, but you guys leave me in the
dark. But OTOH I haven't much else to do, so I shall attempt to learn this
as well.

Arthur

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Helmuth
>
> Yes, that could it be - it makes more sense.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Helmut Kotsch
> Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 17:59
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> you may have read "Zur?ck zur Zukunft". The Word "ZUR" is the short form
> for "ZU deR" (to the).
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag
> von Gustav Brock
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 17:00
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
>
> Hi Helmuth
>
> You should know - and, sadly, now when I browse for it, I only find
> "Zur?ck in die Zukunft".
> Except for this:
>
>
> http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Back-to-the-future-Top-Comfort-cotton-T-shirt-
> Fashion-Brand-men-t-shirt-new-high/32365712534.html
>
> which isn't related to the movie.
>
> Well. It's many years ago - I may have had it from a newspaper.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Helmut Kotsch
> Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:42
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
>
> I think it should read:
>
> "Zur?ck in die Zukunft" or translated "Back to the Future"
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag
> von Gustav Brock
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2015 16:11
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> And it has the much more powerful German title, I'll never forget:
>
>     Zur?ck zum Zukunft
>
> You can nearly taste it.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Arthur Fuller
> Sendt: 21. oktober 2015 16:00
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Back to the Future is today
>
> The time machine in that movie leapt forward to October 21, 2015.
>
> --
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 22 08:54:33 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:54:33 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584E8707E1CF6E14EC61EE5CA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

On my Windows 8.1 setup I had - in addition to AdBlock Plus - installed a tracking blocker for Internet Explorer. However, I've forgot the name.
>From time to time it slided in from the status bar (down, right corner) a status windows of what had been blocked.

Do you know the name, or do you use a tracking blocker to recommend?

/gustav



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 22 09:08:58 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:08:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584E8707E1CF6E14EC61EE5CA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584E8707E1CF6E14EC61EE5CA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A4AC16F0DCAC4930B6B37E002704C17D@HAL9007>

Someone on the list just recommended Ghostery and I'm using it now.  Seems
transparent. I have no idea if it's actually doing anything, though. :) I
assume it's working as advertised.

Also using uBlock Origin.  Both on Firefox.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:55 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser

Hi all

On my Windows 8.1 setup I had - in addition to AdBlock Plus - installed a
tracking blocker for Internet Explorer. However, I've forgot the name.
>From time to time it slided in from the status bar (down, right corner) a
status windows of what had been blocked.

Do you know the name, or do you use a tracking blocker to recommend?

/gustav


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 22 09:43:32 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:43:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584F3FE24E5B7DA4CA098DBCA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

Yes, that's it. Thanks!

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 22. oktober 2015 16:09
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser

Someone on the list just recommended Ghostery and I'm using it now.  Seems transparent. I have no idea if it's actually doing anything, though. :) I assume it's working as advertised.

Also using uBlock Origin.  Both on Firefox.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:55 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser

Hi all

On my Windows 8.1 setup I had - in addition to AdBlock Plus - installed a tracking blocker for Internet Explorer. However, I've forgot the name.
>From time to time it slided in from the status bar (down, right corner) a status windows of what had been blocked.

Do you know the name, or do you use a tracking blocker to recommend?

/gustav 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 09:59:41 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:59:41 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Block_tracking_in_browser?=
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584F3FE24E5B7DA4CA098DBCA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584F3FE24E5B7DA4CA098DBCA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5628f9e9.d348810a.1465e.49dd@mx.google.com>

Does anyone ever consider that these apps do their own tracking? 


Susan H. 






Sent from Windows Mail





From: Gustav Brock
Sent: ?Thursday?, ?October? ?22?, ?2015 ?10?:?43? ?AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues





Hi Rocky

Yes, that's it. Thanks!

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 22. oktober 2015 16:09
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser

Someone on the list just recommended Ghostery and I'm using it now.  Seems transparent. I have no idea if it's actually doing anything, though. :) I assume it's working as advertised.

Also using uBlock Origin.  Both on Firefox.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:55 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Block tracking in browser

Hi all

On my Windows 8.1 setup I had - in addition to AdBlock Plus - installed a tracking blocker for Internet Explorer. However, I've forgot the name.
From time to time it slided in from the status bar (down, right corner) a status windows of what had been blocked.

Do you know the name, or do you use a tracking blocker to recommend?

/gustav 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 12:56:32 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:56:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup redux
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h9KaNCj3AWJtKOeR=G+_JAHefdS0TjxDpwheWw3GY6dg@mail.gmail.com>

Yesterday I suffered a minor disaster. For years I've used an external USB
drive as the location of my backups. Yesterday that drive died.
Unfortunately, I also used that same drive to house my music collection.
Bad idea. Note to Self: an external drive devoted to BackUp should have no
other purpose. So now I'm going to buy another 2TB external drive, and
mirror everything of consequence.

Another lesson learned is that while developing various apps,. I would
create a directory off the root called c:\xxx, where xxx is something
meaningful. Another bad idea; should have placed these projects in the
default directory tree (My Documents), so they'd automatically be included
in the backups and I wouldn't have to remember that they were isolated from
the default backup strategy. Fortunately, I was able to recover, since I
also burned these projects of interest to a thumb drive. Actually, that's
not quite accurate; I did lose a few iterations of the data, but ultimately
that's ok since I'm developing the FE and BE as separate projects, and it
really doesn't matter that my BE data is old, since the data model has not
changed.

Long story short: I have moved all the significant data/directories from
their isolated locations, into the "Documents" folder. 'Twas a PITA but now
my arse is covered, I think.

Meanwhile I have to wait until the 28th to buy a backup^2 external drive,
but with luck, the system shall persist as is for at least that long.


Moral of the story: make sure that your backup drive has a backup; in the
ideal case, that would be on an adjacent box, or perhaps the cloud. Given
the size of my datasets (some over 50GB, and I have several of those), the
cloud seems impractical; so my only choice would seem to be a few external
1+ TB drives and to mirror everything. If you've a better strategy, I'd
love to learn it.

-- 
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 14:29:59 2015
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:29:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup redux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h9KaNCj3AWJtKOeR=G+_JAHefdS0TjxDpwheWw3GY6dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h9KaNCj3AWJtKOeR=G+_JAHefdS0TjxDpwheWw3GY6dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJqRD31n2KvojwOagM1xaZOmFj_R5wRNKn8DHByf5rRDw@mail.gmail.com>

You just can not have too many backups. And it's a good idea to have
multiple forms of media involved. When I was in a mainstream IT
Mainframe operations environment we kept daily, weekly and monthly
backups and kept 30 daily, a dozen weekly and 2 years worth of monthly
backups of our data and maybe disk images too.   Some of those got
rotated offsite every week. 9 track reel to reel tapes were relatively
cheap though. We spent at least 12 hours a week doing backups.

I just bought an external 5 TB Seagate drive at Costco yesterday. Cost
$135 as I recall. Plan to back up all my systems including music and
photos to that.

I also have a Thermaltake hard drive docking station that allows me to
swap regular sata hard drives so I can rotate several to do
generational backups.  It connects via an ESATA connection and so runs
at about regular hard drive speed.

It all works well.  When I remember to use it.  That is the downfall.

GK

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yesterday I suffered a minor disaster. For years I've used an external USB
> drive as the location of my backups. Yesterday that drive died.
> Unfortunately, I also used that same drive to house my music collection.
> Bad idea. Note to Self: an external drive devoted to BackUp should have no
> other purpose. So now I'm going to buy another 2TB external drive, and
> mirror everything of consequence.
>
> Another lesson learned is that while developing various apps,. I would
> create a directory off the root called c:\xxx, where xxx is something
> meaningful. Another bad idea; should have placed these projects in the
> default directory tree (My Documents), so they'd automatically be included
> in the backups and I wouldn't have to remember that they were isolated from
> the default backup strategy. Fortunately, I was able to recover, since I
> also burned these projects of interest to a thumb drive. Actually, that's
> not quite accurate; I did lose a few iterations of the data, but ultimately
> that's ok since I'm developing the FE and BE as separate projects, and it
> really doesn't matter that my BE data is old, since the data model has not
> changed.
>
> Long story short: I have moved all the significant data/directories from
> their isolated locations, into the "Documents" folder. 'Twas a PITA but now
> my arse is covered, I think.
>
> Meanwhile I have to wait until the 28th to buy a backup^2 external drive,
> but with luck, the system shall persist as is for at least that long.
>
>
> Moral of the story: make sure that your backup drive has a backup; in the
> ideal case, that would be on an adjacent box, or perhaps the cloud. Given
> the size of my datasets (some over 50GB, and I have several of those), the
> cloud seems impractical; so my only choice would seem to be a few external
> 1+ TB drives and to mirror everything. If you've a better strategy, I'd
> love to learn it.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 14:56:12 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:56:12 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_VM?=
Message-ID: <5629401d.0b58810a.89f7b.ffff9c6d@mx.google.com>

John suggested I start a discussion on the Windows 8 VM. I have a Windows 8.1 system and I?ll probably put different versions of Office on it, so I think I?ll go the VM route for each -- keeping 8.1 for each version is fine, but keeping the different versions completely separate seems like a good idea and with VM now part of the os, I thought I?d check it out. I?m hoping it will be a simple and straight-forward process. 


Anyone have experience with Windows 8 VM? I?d like to hear about it good or bad. I?m off to read about it a bit. Thanks for your input!


Susan H. 






Sent from Windows Mail

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 22 15:56:37 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:56:37 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows VM
In-Reply-To: <5629401d.0b58810a.89f7b.ffff9c6d@mx.google.com>
References: <5629401d.0b58810a.89f7b.ffff9c6d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15847CF5136AFF88262BF587CA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

Hyper-V runs great. 

Just have two things in mind: Specify initially the default location of the vhd(x) files to a separate drive to not mock up your Windows folder and to simplify backup; and always run the Hyper-V Manager as administrator for administration only, while you - when the VMs are set up - access these as a normal user via Remote Desktop when you work with the installed applications.

Also note, that if you have a spare and decent box with 8 GB ram, you may install the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2012 to host your VMs if you don't want to clutter your normal workstation or wish to access the VMs from other workstations or laptops as well.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af ssharkins at gmail.com <ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sendt: 22. oktober 2015 21:56
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows VM

John suggested I start a discussion on the Windows 8 VM. I have a Windows 8.1 system and I?ll probably put different versions of Office on it, so I think I?ll go the VM route for each -- keeping 8.1 for each version is fine, but keeping the different versions completely separate seems like a good idea and with VM now part of the os, I thought I?d check it out. I?m hoping it will be a simple and straight-forward process.


Anyone have experience with Windows 8 VM? I?d like to hear about it good or bad. I?m off to read about it a bit. Thanks for your input!


Susan H.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 22 16:05:56 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:05:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup redux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h9KaNCj3AWJtKOeR=G+_JAHefdS0TjxDpwheWw3GY6dg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur:

The more data and the more important the data is, at least to you are the consumer, that more important a real backup system becomes. Truism, all drives fail and never have important data on a single device...this we are in complete agreement.  

This may be a good time to consider real redundancy. If Cloud backups are not a solution, due to cost of data transfer or cost of storage maybe a good NAS should be considered. The system that has been most totted, in tech circles is the FreeNAS/TrueNAS products. If there is an old box available, that can house, four or five (or more drives), exactly the same drives are recommended but a mixture of similar drives will suffice, this product can be setup. If properly configured, backup on this device, lost of data, barring complete destruction of your accommodations, will be a thing of the past.

It uses the FreeBSD OS with a ZFS (file system) that has been noted for unrivalled accuracy and reliability. It connects easily to all operating systems. All major companies are now using ZFS (...or they should.)  Example Microsoft.

Check the following out: http://serverfault.com/questions/47021/is-freenas-reliable on building a NAS on the cheap.

Here is one company that has a very successful business built on FreeNAS/TrueNAS and ZFS: https://www.ixsystems.com/ Even their smaller offers may seem expensive: https://www.ixsystems.com/freenas-mini but put in context compared to the new Microsoft Book laptop, it starts to look like a bargain. ;-)    

But even better: Ubuntu has indicated that the next version of the product, coming out April-May, of 2016, will have a the option to change secondary drives to ZFS format. The primary and root drive will still be the standard FS but all other drives will be able to be formatted in ZFS. This means that there will be a very solid set of management tools built into the Ubuntu front end. I am very much looking forward to this new release and to the subsequent building of a virtually indestructible ultimately reliable data system, at a reasonable cost.  :-)

PS Sorry for your loss as we have all been there.

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:56:32 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup redux

Yesterday I suffered a minor disaster. For years I've used an external USB
drive as the location of my backups. Yesterday that drive died.
Unfortunately, I also used that same drive to house my music collection.
Bad idea. Note to Self: an external drive devoted to BackUp should have no
other purpose. So now I'm going to buy another 2TB external drive, and
mirror everything of consequence.

Another lesson learned is that while developing various apps,. I would
create a directory off the root called c:\xxx, where xxx is something
meaningful. Another bad idea; should have placed these projects in the
default directory tree (My Documents), so they'd automatically be included
in the backups and I wouldn't have to remember that they were isolated from
the default backup strategy. Fortunately, I was able to recover, since I
also burned these projects of interest to a thumb drive. Actually, that's
not quite accurate; I did lose a few iterations of the data, but ultimately
that's ok since I'm developing the FE and BE as separate projects, and it
really doesn't matter that my BE data is old, since the data model has not
changed.

Long story short: I have moved all the significant data/directories from
their isolated locations, into the "Documents" folder. 'Twas a PITA but now
my arse is covered, I think.

Meanwhile I have to wait until the 28th to buy a backup^2 external drive,
but with luck, the system shall persist as is for at least that long.


Moral of the story: make sure that your backup drive has a backup; in the
ideal case, that would be on an adjacent box, or perhaps the cloud. Given
the size of my datasets (some over 50GB, and I have several of those), the
cloud seems impractical; so my only choice would seem to be a few external
1+ TB drives and to mirror everything. If you've a better strategy, I'd
love to learn it.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 22 16:07:52 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:07:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup redux
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Hi Gary:

Good Tech. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:29:59 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Backup redux

You just can not have too many backups. And it's a good idea to have
multiple forms of media involved. When I was in a mainstream IT
Mainframe operations environment we kept daily, weekly and monthly
backups and kept 30 daily, a dozen weekly and 2 years worth of monthly
backups of our data and maybe disk images too.   Some of those got
rotated offsite every week. 9 track reel to reel tapes were relatively
cheap though. We spent at least 12 hours a week doing backups.

I just bought an external 5 TB Seagate drive at Costco yesterday. Cost
$135 as I recall. Plan to back up all my systems including music and
photos to that.

I also have a Thermaltake hard drive docking station that allows me to
swap regular sata hard drives so I can rotate several to do
generational backups.  It connects via an ESATA connection and so runs
at about regular hard drive speed.

It all works well.  When I remember to use it.  That is the downfall.

GK

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yesterday I suffered a minor disaster. For years I've used an external USB
> drive as the location of my backups. Yesterday that drive died.
> Unfortunately, I also used that same drive to house my music collection.
> Bad idea. Note to Self: an external drive devoted to BackUp should have no
> other purpose. So now I'm going to buy another 2TB external drive, and
> mirror everything of consequence.
>
> Another lesson learned is that while developing various apps,. I would
> create a directory off the root called c:\xxx, where xxx is something
> meaningful. Another bad idea; should have placed these projects in the
> default directory tree (My Documents), so they'd automatically be included
> in the backups and I wouldn't have to remember that they were isolated from
> the default backup strategy. Fortunately, I was able to recover, since I
> also burned these projects of interest to a thumb drive. Actually, that's
> not quite accurate; I did lose a few iterations of the data, but ultimately
> that's ok since I'm developing the FE and BE as separate projects, and it
> really doesn't matter that my BE data is old, since the data model has not
> changed.
>
> Long story short: I have moved all the significant data/directories from
> their isolated locations, into the "Documents" folder. 'Twas a PITA but now
> my arse is covered, I think.
>
> Meanwhile I have to wait until the 28th to buy a backup^2 external drive,
> but with luck, the system shall persist as is for at least that long.
>
>
> Moral of the story: make sure that your backup drive has a backup; in the
> ideal case, that would be on an adjacent box, or perhaps the cloud. Given
> the size of my datasets (some over 50GB, and I have several of those), the
> cloud seems impractical; so my only choice would seem to be a few external
> 1+ TB drives and to mirror everything. If you've a better strategy, I'd
> love to learn it.
>
> --
> Arthur
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 22 17:22:33 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:22:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows VM
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Hi Susan,
I should have suggested this first, check your version of Windows on your new laptop to see which it is Pro or Home. I'm not sure if the home version supports Hyper-V. So my question to the list is which versions of Windows 8 & 10 support Hyper-V?
John

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 2:56 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows VM

John suggested I start a discussion on the Windows 8 VM. I have a Windows 8.1 system and I?ll probably put different versions of Office on it, so I think I?ll go the VM route for each -- keeping 8.1 for each version is fine, but keeping the different versions completely separate seems like a good idea and with VM now part of the os, I thought I?d check it out. I?m hoping it will be a simple and straight-forward process. 


Anyone have experience with Windows 8 VM? I?d like to hear about it good or bad. I?m off to read about it a bit. Thanks for your input!


Susan H. 






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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 22 17:27:45 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:27:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows VM
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15847CF5136AFF88262BF587CA270@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Gustav,
So if one has just a laptop with plenty of hard drive space would Hyper-V
still work well?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows VM

Hi Susan

Hyper-V runs great. 

Just have two things in mind: Specify initially the default location of the
vhd(x) files to a separate drive to not mock up your Windows folder and to
simplify backup; and always run the Hyper-V Manager as administrator for
administration only, while you - when the VMs are set up - access these as a
normal user via Remote Desktop when you work with the installed
applications.

Also note, that if you have a spare and decent box with 8 GB ram, you may
install the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2012 to host your VMs if you don't
want to clutter your normal workstation or wish to access the VMs from other
workstations or laptops as well.

/gustav

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ssharkins at gmail.com <ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sendt: 22. oktober 2015 21:56
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows VM

John suggested I start a discussion on the Windows 8 VM. I have a Windows
8.1 system and I?ll probably put different versions of Office on it, so I
think I?ll go the VM route for each -- keeping 8.1 for each version is fine,
but keeping the different versions completely separate seems like a good
idea and with VM now part of the os, I thought I?d check it out. I?m hoping
it will be a simple and straight-forward process.


Anyone have experience with Windows 8 VM? I?d like to hear about it good or
bad. I?m off to read about it a bit. Thanks for your input!


Susan H.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 18:13:22 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:13:22 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_VM?=
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Well it isn?t either -- just Window Core. FWIW, Virtual Drive is listed on the Start menu, but Hyper-V isn?t. 


Susan H. 






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From: John R Bartow
Sent: ?Thursday?, ?October? ?22?, ?2015 ?6?:?22? ?PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues





Hi Susan,
I should have suggested this first, check your version of Windows on your new laptop to see which it is Pro or Home. I'm not sure if the home version supports Hyper-V. So my question to the list is which versions of Windows 8 & 10 support Hyper-V?
John

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 23 02:33:39 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:33:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows VM
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Hi John

That depends on the processor. You can try switching Hyper-V on. It will complain at once if it cannot be used.

/gustav

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Sendt: 23. oktober 2015 00:28
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows VM
Prioritet: H?j

Hi Gustav,
So if one has just a laptop with plenty of hard drive space would Hyper-V still work well?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows VM

Hi Susan

Hyper-V runs great. 

Just have two things in mind: Specify initially the default location of the
vhd(x) files to a separate drive to not mock up your Windows folder and to simplify backup; and always run the Hyper-V Manager as administrator for administration only, while you - when the VMs are set up - access these as a normal user via Remote Desktop when you work with the installed applications.

Also note, that if you have a spare and decent box with 8 GB ram, you may install the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2012 to host your VMs if you don't want to clutter your normal workstation or wish to access the VMs from other workstations or laptops as well.

/gustav

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Sendt: 22. oktober 2015 21:56
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows VM

John suggested I start a discussion on the Windows 8 VM. I have a Windows
8.1 system and I'll probably put different versions of Office on it, so I think I'll go the VM route for each -- keeping 8.1 for each version is fine, but keeping the different versions completely separate seems like a good idea and with VM now part of the os, I thought I'd check it out. I'm hoping it will be a simple and straight-forward process.


Anyone have experience with Windows 8 VM? I'd like to hear about it good or bad. I'm off to read about it a bit. Thanks for your input!


Susan H. 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 23 15:56:33 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:56:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anew phone with new technology
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There is a new phone coming to the market called the Turing phone. 

Its operating system is an open source fork of the Android OS called naturally Turning OS. It communication is described as a mesh type system. In a nut-shell it can be described as a Tor-mesh network that stores its data in encrypted blocks, everywhere across the network/internet. 

Right out of the gate the makers of the Turing phone claims: "...The Turing Phone can wirelessly transfer a DVD-quality movie in just over half a minute and has secure messaging that would take years to crack...". To me, this is a very positive first step.

http://tinyurl.com/npqf5pz

And the link to the company's home page: https://www.turingphone.com

As one commentator said; "A phone for the paranoid and the rich"...but to put things in context just check out the new Microsoft Surface Book...which when fully loaded would cost me over $4K.  Whether this phone becomes main steam is yet to be seen but it is definitely taking advantage of many of the latest technologies which leaves me seriously considering it...but the main hurdle will be to get the local cell-phone providers to accept a device, on their system, that they can not insert their adware on.

Jim

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 24 12:41:30 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Add a certificate to your domain for free
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You can now add a certificate to your website (assuming you own the domain) for free. This means that clients and customers coming to your site can be secure, from re-direction or malware being inserted and so on. Much of the complexities of installing a certificate to your domain have been taken care of via this new product.

https://letsencrypt.org/2015/10/19/lets-encrypt-is-trusted.html

"The encryption within HTTPS is intended to provide benefits like confidentiality, integrity and identity. Your information remains confidential from prying eyes because only your browser and the server can decrypt the traffic. Integrity protects the data from being modified without your knowledge." ...whether it is your servers or your workstation.

Jim

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Oct 24 14:36:39 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:36:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows VM
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Susan,
If you follow these steps:
Swipe in from the right edge of the screen, tap Settings, and then tap Change PC settings.
(If you're using a mouse, point to the lower-right corner of the screen, move the mouse pointer up, click Settings, and then click Change PC settings.)

Tap or click PC and devices, and then tap or click PC info.

Look under Windows for the version and edition of Windows that your PC is running.

Look under PC for System type to see if you're running a 32-bit or 64-bit version of Windows.

Does it say anything else? 32/64 bit? Home Edition/Pro?
John

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
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Well it isn?t either -- just Window Core. FWIW, Virtual Drive is listed on the Start menu, but Hyper-V isn?t. 


Susan H. 






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From: John R Bartow
Sent: ?Thursday?, ?October? ?22?, ?2015 ?6?:?22? ?PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues





Hi Susan,
I should have suggested this first, check your version of Windows on your new laptop to see which it is Pro or Home. I'm not sure if the home version supports Hyper-V. So my question to the list is which versions of Windows 8 & 10 support Hyper-V?
John
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 25 04:11:22 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:11:22 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=22Take_a_sad_song_and_make_it_better=2E=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?=2E=22_-_Web_browsers=27_testing_automation_with_Selenium_WebDr?=
 =?utf-8?q?ivers_from_LucidChart=2Ecom_=3A=29?=
Message-ID: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>


Hi All --

Enjoy ->? http://tinyurl.com/osxrt8l ? :)

P.S For technical details read this article: ? http://tinyurl.com/qzelwvj

-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 25 04:33:24 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:33:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
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References: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil

Great demo - except that music, luckily, often contradicts the laws of logic.

Further, in the tiny video clips, old audio connoisseurs like me will be pleased to recognise the Austrian AKG condenser studio microphones with the extension tube between the capsule and the (not seen) amplifier body. The Beatles often - and unusually for the time - used these in favour of the widely used Shure dynamic mices for rock vocalists, probably because of the much better sound quality.

/gustav

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Hi All --

Enjoy ->? http://tinyurl.com/osxrt8l   :)

P.S For technical details read this article:   http://tinyurl.com/qzelwvj

--
???????????? ??????


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 25 05:31:26 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:31:26 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?=22Take_a_sad_song_and_make_it_better=2E=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?=2E=22_-_Web_browsers=27_testing_automation_with_Selenium_WebDr?=
 =?utf-8?q?ivers_from_LucidChart=2Ecom_=3A=29?=
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References: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
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 Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's a great demo. It have happened, exactly this morning, I have got recorded (in my brain cells) that I should try to find a way how to explain (boring and) complicated technical details to other people often without technical background, - and here you're - this demo has come to me out of nowhere while I have been doing my heavy duty everyday software development R&D....

What do you mean by "music, luckily, often contradicts the laws of logic"?

BTW, my son is actively doing video/audio blogging and he has recently asked me to purchase the following microphone and related stuff:


Blue Microphones Yeti USB Microphone - Silver
http://tinyurl.com/nhmyzz6
Dragonpad pop filter Studio Microphone Mic Wind Screen Pop Filter Swivel Mount 360 Flexible Gooseneck Holder
http://tinyurl.com/ogosdww
?
It's now on the way coming here by express post... ?What can you say about this microphone - is it at least a bit as good as the ones you mentioned were used by The Beatles? Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:33 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Great demo - except that music, luckily, often contradicts the laws of logic.
>
>Further, in the tiny video clips, old audio connoisseurs like me will be pleased to recognise the Austrian AKG condenser studio microphones with the extension tube between the capsule and the (not seen) amplifier body. The Beatles often - and unusually for the time - used these in favour of the widely used Shure dynamic mices for rock vocalists, probably because of the much better sound quality.
>
>/gustav
>
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 25. oktober 2015 10:11
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)
>
>Hi All --
>
>Enjoy ->?  http://tinyurl.com/osxrt8l :)
>
>P.S For technical details read this article:  http://tinyurl.com/qzelwvj
>
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>???????????? ??????
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 25 06:50:55 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:50:55 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
In-Reply-To: <1445769086.904488006@f408.i.mail.ru>
References: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
	<VI1PR06MB158491D503BC659317A9C153CA240@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1445769086.904488006@f408.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15848C95F447CBAC8D73E68ACA240@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

I mean that if (performed) music followed exact rules, it would be boring. You may recall many years ago, that some fed a Moog synthesizer with the exact nodes of a piece of Beethoven. The output was, of course, correct but judged "dead" to listen to because of the missing variations a skilled performer always will add.

The microphone seems very well suited for the purpose, but I don't know it, so I can't say for sure.

The AKG microphone used was the C 451 - still available with a product lifecycle of 40+ years - at about ?360:

    http://www.akg.com/pro/p/c451b
    http://www.coutant.org/akgc460b/akgcms.pdf

This is a studio condenser microphone, and these are analogue with a balanced output and powered by 48V phantom power - a universal standard across all studio equipment introduced by Schoeps in 1964, adopted by Neumann in 1966, and then accepted by all other manufacturers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_power

/gustav


________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 25. oktober 2015 11:31
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's a great demo. It have happened, exactly this morning, I have got recorded (in my brain cells) that I should try to find a way how to explain (boring and) complicated technical details to other people often without technical background, - and here you're - this demo has come to me out of nowhere while I have been doing my heavy duty everyday software development R&D....

What do you mean by "music, luckily, often contradicts the laws of logic"?

BTW, my son is actively doing video/audio blogging and he has recently asked me to purchase the following microphone and related stuff:


Blue Microphones Yeti USB Microphone - Silver
http://tinyurl.com/nhmyzz6
Dragonpad pop filter Studio Microphone Mic Wind Screen Pop Filter Swivel Mount 360 Flexible Gooseneck Holder
http://tinyurl.com/ogosdww

It's now on the way coming here by express post...  What can you say about this microphone - is it at least a bit as good as the ones you mentioned were used by The Beatles? Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:33 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Great demo - except that music, luckily, often contradicts the laws of logic.
>
>Further, in the tiny video clips, old audio connoisseurs like me will be pleased to recognise the Austrian AKG condenser studio microphones with the extension tube between the capsule and the (not seen) amplifier body. The Beatles often - and unusually for the time - used these in favour of the widely used Shure dynamic mices for rock vocalists, probably because of the much better sound quality.
>
>/gustav
>
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 25. oktober 2015 10:11
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)
>
>Hi All --
>
>Enjoy ->?  http://tinyurl.com/osxrt8l :)
>
>P.S For technical details read this article:  http://tinyurl.com/qzelwvj
>
>--
>???????????? ??????


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 25 07:26:02 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:26:02 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?=22Take_a_sad_song_and_make_it_better=2E=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?=2E=22_-_Web_browsers=27_testing_automation_with_Selenium_WebDr?=
 =?utf-8?q?ivers_from_LucidChart=2Ecom_=3A=29?=
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15848C95F447CBAC8D73E68ACA240@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
	<1445769086.904488006@f408.i.mail.ru>
	<VI1PR06MB15848C95F447CBAC8D73E68ACA240@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1445775962.834684076@f376.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your clarification.
The AKG microphone will probably be the next thing to purchase, somewhere next year :)

BTW, what do you think about the following:

L. V. Beethoven - F?r Elise (Launchpad Cover)
http://tinyurl.com/q6h3sh8
Is it sounding "flat" to your ears?

Mys son has started to play Launchpad less than an year ago, he is self-taught and he is now performing rather well AFAICS. 
He isn't doing classics (the above isn't his Launchpad playing recording), he likes more electronic music as is performed on the left part of the following video-clip:

Mozart Meets Trap (?wls vs. Himself): Turkish March Remix
http://tinyurl.com/o9b6o5q


BTW, with microphone, another more professional version of Launchpad should arrive soon here :) Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:50 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>I mean that if (performed) music followed exact rules, it would be boring. You may recall many years ago, that some fed a Moog synthesizer with the exact nodes of a piece of Beethoven. The output was, of course, correct but judged "dead" to listen to because of the missing variations a skilled performer always will add.
>
>The microphone seems very well suited for the purpose, but I don't know it, so I can't say for sure.
>
>The AKG microphone used was the C 451 - still available with a product lifecycle of 40+ years - at about ?360:
>
>http://www.akg.com/pro/p/c451b
>http://www.coutant.org/akgc460b/akgcms.pdf
>
>This is a studio condenser microphone, and these are analogue with a balanced output and powered by 48V phantom power - a universal standard across all studio equipment introduced by Schoeps in 1964, adopted by Neumann in 1966, and then accepted by all other manufacturers:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_power
>
>/gustav
>
<<< skipped >>>
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 25 12:14:33 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 17:14:33 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
In-Reply-To: <1445775962.834684076@f376.i.mail.ru>
References: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
	<1445769086.904488006@f408.i.mail.ru>
	<VI1PR06MB15848C95F447CBAC8D73E68ACA240@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1445775962.834684076@f376.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB1573FDD789BFB0AC7FCE5CEECA240@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

I'm not a musician so I cannot judge the potential of this. But I am aware that synthesizers evolve and improve quality at great speed - since the mellotron, a marvelous piece of electro-mechanics - which you may recall from the early recordings by The Moody Blues:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellotron

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 25. oktober 2015 13:26
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your clarification.
The AKG microphone will probably be the next thing to purchase, somewhere next year :)

BTW, what do you think about the following:

L. V. Beethoven - F?r Elise (Launchpad Cover)
http://tinyurl.com/q6h3sh8
Is it sounding "flat" to your ears?

Mys son has started to play Launchpad less than an year ago, he is self-taught and he is now performing rather well AFAICS.
He isn't doing classics (the above isn't his Launchpad playing recording), he likes more electronic music as is performed on the left part of the following video-clip:

Mozart Meets Trap (?wls vs. Himself): Turkish March Remix
http://tinyurl.com/o9b6o5q


BTW, with microphone, another more professional version of Launchpad should arrive soon here :) Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:50 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>I mean that if (performed) music followed exact rules, it would be boring. You may recall many years ago, that some fed a Moog synthesizer with the exact nodes of a piece of Beethoven. The output was, of course, correct but judged "dead" to listen to because of the missing variations a skilled performer always will add.
>
>The microphone seems very well suited for the purpose, but I don't know it, so I can't say for sure.
>
>The AKG microphone used was the C 451 - still available with a product lifecycle of 40+ years - at about ?360:
>
>http://www.akg.com/pro/p/c451b
>http://www.coutant.org/akgc460b/akgcms.pdf
>
>This is a studio condenser microphone, and these are analogue with a balanced output and powered by 48V phantom power - a universal standard across all studio equipment introduced by Schoeps in 1964, adopted by Neumann in 1966, and then accepted by all other manufacturers:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_power
>
>/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 25 14:49:11 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:49:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
In-Reply-To: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2105182703.49315429.1445802551693.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

The first link is cute. :-)

The second link is great and shows a good example of why the best written code is always adaptable, has little or no redundancies, has a standard framework and the logic tree is always designed before one line of new code is inserted. 

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:11:22 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)


Hi All --

Enjoy ->? http://tinyurl.com/osxrt8l ? :)

P.S For technical details read this article: ? http://tinyurl.com/qzelwvj

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 25 15:03:06 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:03:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
In-Reply-To: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <398914396.49323103.1445803386776.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Further to the post Shamil gave, I would like to extend my observations to the state of web development. First I should preface, the following comments with; I have not been very active in any real website development for a few years but have continued to follow the trends and technology and have a number of observations. 

In a web site development, using a framework should be mandatory. 

When it comes to websites, I like Yeoman's adaptable framework as there is so many components, in today's sites that just missing or making a mistake in one part of the layout can be very serious. Businesses using the web, for more than a postcard/facebook are completely exposed to anyone in the world regardless of the audiences intentions and seeing the company's whole future depends on their website...the site must be near perfect. Beyond just having an adaptable pretty face, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability, is a must, and has to be incorporated within the latest technology. 

Aside: One complaint I have is; no longer can professional web sites be built by a single developer, unless he/she has six months available without interruption and an extensive knowledge of all the disciplines...and who can afford to have a good website built without a lot of resources to pay for it.   
 
This is also why so many sites are getting hacked. The costs of building a good secure site is so expensive that site owners are running fully exposed and hoping the insurance will cover any losses, in the "unlikely" event, they actually are breached. OTOH, insurance companies are raising the cost of insurance and starting to take legal action against companies that have badly secured sites...so we shall see how that plays out. 

It should be noted that this trend may create a good business climate for all the web developers out there.
 
Jim  

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Oct 25 16:27:19 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:27:19 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?=22Take_a_sad_song_and_make_it_better=2E=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?=2E=22_-_Web_browsers=27_testing_automation_with_Selenium_WebDr?=
 =?utf-8?q?ivers_from_LucidChart=2Ecom_=3A=29?=
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References: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
	<398914396.49323103.1445803386776.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1445808439.911098014@f100.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

<<<??no longer can professional web sites be built by a single developer, unless he/she has six months available without interruption and an extensive knowledge of all the disciplines... >>>

I have just finished one, it's in production now, not a big web site but for a big local company :)

Nowadays in MS stack there are very advanced web development technologies - for all kinds of UI it's Telerik - "MS Access on steroids", for back end - it's C#, ASP.NET (Web API2), MS SQL. I don't even mention MS Azure, MS Office 365, MS SharePoint etc.

<<<??The costs of building a good secure site is so expensive ....>
What about ?? https://letsencrypt.org/howitworks/ ?? :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:03 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi All:
>
>Further to the post Shamil gave, I would like to extend my observations to the state of web development. First I should preface, the following comments with; I have not been very active in any real website development for a few years but have continued to follow the trends and technology and have a number of observations. 
>
>In a web site development, using a framework should be mandatory. 
>
>When it comes to websites, I like Yeoman's adaptable framework as there is so many components, in today's sites that just missing or making a mistake in one part of the layout can be very serious. Businesses using the web, for more than a postcard/facebook are completely exposed to anyone in the world regardless of the audiences intentions and seeing the company's whole future depends on their website...the site must be near perfect. Beyond just having an adaptable pretty face, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability, is a must, and has to be incorporated within the latest technology. 
>
>Aside: One complaint I have is; no longer can professional web sites be built by a single developer, unless he/she has six months available without interruption and an extensive knowledge of all the disciplines...and who can afford to have a good website built without a lot of resources to pay for it. 
>?
>This is also why so many sites are getting hacked. The costs of building a good secure site is so expensive that site owners are running fully exposed and hoping the insurance will cover any losses, in the "unlikely" event, they actually are breached. OTOH, insurance companies are raising the cost of insurance and starting to take legal action against companies that have badly secured sites...so we shall see how that plays out. 
>
>It should be noted that this trend may create a good business climate for all the web developers out there.
>?
>Jim 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 25 18:53:08 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:53:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
	browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from
	LucidChart.com :)
In-Reply-To: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
References: <1445764282.537810783@f26.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <F2E48F4E3D41406DA5B61C843FA403DE@HAL9007>

Too cool.  Happy Sunday Shamil.

R
 

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testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)


Hi All --

Enjoy ->? http://tinyurl.com/osxrt8l ? :)

P.S For technical details read this article: ? http://tinyurl.com/qzelwvj

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 07:13:57 2015
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (ssharkins at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:13:57 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_VM?=
In-Reply-To: <042701d10e93$4e2a4730$ea7ed590$@winhaven.net>
References: <5629401d.0b58810a.89f7b.ffff9c6d@mx.google.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAIBjo5uF7LhBmY1SAuBXm/UBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<56296e6b.05f30d0a.684b0.ffffb969@mx.google.com>,
	<042701d10e93$4e2a4730$ea7ed590$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <562e20b3.8b38810a.fb6cc.ffff9662@mx.google.com>

64-bit -- I already know that. But Windows still list as 8.1, no other specification.


Susan H. 






Sent from Windows Mail







Susan,
If you follow these steps:
Swipe in from the right edge of the screen, tap Settings, and then tap Change PC settings.
(If you're using a mouse, point to the lower-right corner of the screen, move the mouse pointer up, click Settings, and then click Change PC settings.)

Tap or click PC and devices, and then tap or click PC info.

Look under Windows for the version and edition of Windows that your PC is running.

Look under PC for System type to see if you're running a 32-bit or 64-bit version of Windows.

Does it say anything else? 32/64 bit? Home Edition/Pro?
.com

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 26 09:38:35 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 07:38:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Page
Message-ID: <05A16093D35B4C419B55A8DDB6927FC7@HAL9007>

Dear Lists(s):
 
I am looking for a quick way to put up a web site.  This would be for my son
who is in grad school and has a good idea for providing research assistance
to people doing research papers or studies.  He has done it before and
thinks he may be able to generate some significant dough to help him through
grad school.
 
His site will not be interactive but just service info, contact info - maybe
four pages at most.
 
My Plan A is to use GoDaddy's Web Site Tonight tool.  I already have a site
hosted by Godaddy as does Pundit. I could probably use a folder in mine for
development and move him to his own hosted domain when ready to launch.  And
their description on their site makes it look pretty easy
 
But I'm not up to date on this kind of thing so am open to suggestions.
Short learning curve would be more important than cost.  
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 26 12:53:28 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:53:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
In-Reply-To: <1445808439.911098014@f100.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1405642956.50127065.1445882008603.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

It is always good when you complete a big project. (So what is the address? ;-))

That looks like a good set of tools but tools are only as good as the technician using them. Maybe I am over analysing the production of a professional level web site but there are many considerations when building one. My concerns fall into a number of areas but I will comment on only one, in this post. 

The presentation front end.
1. The loading speed. If the pages are to be flexible their content should be provided via a BE database. The data that is transfered must very little as it will not be long before a server could become overwelmed.
2. The use of composite graphic should be limited. SVG graphics should used everywhere. Particularly in fonts. Only digital fonts should be used which are capable of modifying to any screen size without any loss in quality.
3. The layout, design and the user interface should be generated at the clients end so the pages, once loaded do not need to connect the server BE.
4. The site should have the capability to adapt to page size and even detect screen real-estate so a particular page layout can be selected or a specific page loaded that matches the type of hardware it is being displayed on; PC, laptop, tablet or smartphones.
5. Gestures should be supported as those type of interfaces are becoming more common every day.
  
Beyond the front end presentation, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability and so on...

I made many websites before I officially retired but find myself a little intimidated with all the new advancements. I have all the tools I need to do any job but applying the new technologies correctly is the issue. By today's standards, my previous websites were functional but primitive. I have been working to create first class site but it will take a while to get it just right.

I have been taking an online series of courses to improve my efforts: MondoDB, Elasticsearch, Linux-Cloud and Docker. I do not need this information but have always been fascinated by leading edge technologies and hope to apply what I learned to the next website.

Aside: Do you do any government work? I understand that your government is planning on moving all their systems to some Linux distros? That transition is supposed to be underway and completed sometime in 2016. Is this true?

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:27:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)

 Hi Jim --

<<<??no longer can professional web sites be built by a single developer, unless he/she has six months available without interruption and an extensive knowledge of all the disciplines... >>>

I have just finished one, it's in production now, not a big web site but for a big local company :)

Nowadays in MS stack there are very advanced web development technologies - for all kinds of UI it's Telerik - "MS Access on steroids", for back end - it's C#, ASP.NET (Web API2), MS SQL. I don't even mention MS Azure, MS Office 365, MS SharePoint etc.

<<<??The costs of building a good secure site is so expensive ....>
What about ?? https://letsencrypt.org/howitworks/ ?? :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:03 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi All:
>
>Further to the post Shamil gave, I would like to extend my observations to the state of web development. First I should preface, the following comments with; I have not been very active in any real website development for a few years but have continued to follow the trends and technology and have a number of observations. 
>
>In a web site development, using a framework should be mandatory. 
>
>When it comes to websites, I like Yeoman's adaptable framework as there is so many components, in today's sites that just missing or making a mistake in one part of the layout can be very serious. Businesses using the web, for more than a postcard/facebook are completely exposed to anyone in the world regardless of the audiences intentions and seeing the company's whole future depends on their website...the site must be near perfect. Beyond just having an adaptable pretty face, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability, is a must, and has to be incorporated within the latest technology. 
>
>Aside: One complaint I have is; no longer can professional web sites be built by a single developer, unless he/she has six months available without interruption and an extensive knowledge of all the disciplines...and who can afford to have a good website built without a lot of resources to pay for it. 
>?
>This is also why so many sites are getting hacked. The costs of building a good secure site is so expensive that site owners are running fully exposed and hoping the insurance will cover any losses, in the "unlikely" event, they actually are breached. OTOH, insurance companies are raising the cost of insurance and starting to take legal action against companies that have badly secured sites...so we shall see how that plays out. 
>
>It should be noted that this trend may create a good business climate for all the web developers out there.
>?
>Jim 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Oct 26 18:15:19 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 02:15:19 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
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 Hi Jim --

The web address of company is ? http://tinyurl.com/pgcl2fe ? but this is not the web site I have done for them. And web site wasn't big as I have written - but the company is rather big and web site is for all its employees to check their payroll information online. I have been subcontracted by my colleague.

>>>?Beyond the front end presentation, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability and so on...

Yes, but real life (here) isn't that complicated :)

>>>?Aside: Do you do any government work? I understand that your government is planning on moving all?
>>>> their systems to some Linux distros? That transition is supposed to be underway and completed sometime in 2016. Is this true?

Jim, I prefer to stay independent from government and any state-financed organizations.
I have heard that their plans to move all their system on OSS aren't going to be implemented.

-- Shamil


>Monday, October 26, 2015 11:53 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>It is always good when you complete a big project. (So what is the address? ;-))
>
>That looks like a good set of tools but tools are only as good as the technician using them. Maybe I am over analysing the production of a professional level web site but there are many considerations when building one. My concerns fall into a number of areas but I will comment on only one, in this post. 
>
>The presentation front end.
>1. The loading speed. If the pages are to be flexible their content should be provided via a BE database. The data that is transfered must very little as it will not be long before a server could become overwelmed.
>2. The use of composite graphic should be limited. SVG graphics should used everywhere. Particularly in fonts. Only digital fonts should be used which are capable of modifying to any screen size without any loss in quality.
>3. The layout, design and the user interface should be generated at the clients end so the pages, once loaded do not need to connect the server BE.
>4. The site should have the capability to adapt to page size and even detect screen real-estate so a particular page layout can be selected or a specific page loaded that matches the type of hardware it is being displayed on; PC, laptop, tablet or smartphones.
>5. Gestures should be supported as those type of interfaces are becoming more common every day.
>
>Beyond the front end presentation, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability and so on...
>
>I made many websites before I officially retired but find myself a little intimidated with all the new advancements. I have all the tools I need to do any job but applying the new technologies correctly is the issue. By today's standards, my previous websites were functional but primitive. I have been working to create first class site but it will take a while to get it just right.
>
>I have been taking an online series of courses to improve my efforts: MondoDB, Elasticsearch, Linux-Cloud and Docker. I do not need this information but have always been fascinated by leading edge technologies and hope to apply what I learned to the next website.
>
>Aside: Do you do any government work? I understand that your government is planning on moving all their systems to some Linux distros? That transition is supposed to be underway and completed sometime in 2016. Is this true?
>
>Jim 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:27:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
><<<??no longer can professional web sites be built by a single developer, unless he/she has six months available without interruption and an extensive knowledge of all the disciplines... >>>
>
>I have just finished one, it's in production now, not a big web site but for a big local company :)
>
>Nowadays in MS stack there are very advanced web development technologies - for all kinds of UI it's Telerik - "MS Access on steroids", for back end - it's C#, ASP.NET (Web API2), MS SQL. I don't even mention MS Azure, MS Office 365, MS SharePoint etc.
>
><<<??The costs of building a good secure site is so expensive ....>
>What about ??  https://letsencrypt.org/howitworks/ ?? :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
<<< skipped >>>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 27 01:10:08 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 00:10:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Page
In-Reply-To: <05A16093D35B4C419B55A8DDB6927FC7@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1734046315.448087.1445926208465.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I would suggest you begin with petty larceny.

First, find a site (or more) that looks professional and demonstrates features that are needed.

Second, download the site(s) and rebuild-assemble your new site from the various components.

Third, assuming that site now looks like what is required, running it locally, pick a location for registering your new domain and hosting it. Suggest some place like GoDaddy as they can register and host.

There is of course a lot more to it than that especially if server back-end features are required but that is pretty much it.

If you need any help just email.

PS Anyone should be able to make money with the right idea. Example: http://fossbytes.com/11-year-old-girl-is-selling-secure-diceware-passwords-for-2-each

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "Max Sutton-Smolin" <maxsutsmo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 7:38:35 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Page

Dear Lists(s):
 
I am looking for a quick way to put up a web site.  This would be for my son
who is in grad school and has a good idea for providing research assistance
to people doing research papers or studies.  He has done it before and
thinks he may be able to generate some significant dough to help him through
grad school.
 
His site will not be interactive but just service info, contact info - maybe
four pages at most.
 
My Plan A is to use GoDaddy's Web Site Tonight tool.  I already have a site
hosted by Godaddy as does Pundit. I could probably use a folder in mine for
development and move him to his own hosted domain when ready to launch.  And
their description on their site makes it look pretty easy
 
But I'm not up to date on this kind of thing so am open to suggestions.
Short learning curve would be more important than cost.  
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 27 10:43:10 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:43:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
In-Reply-To: <1445901319.85771863@f107.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1332864568.662723.1445960590470.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

I have looked at the site and to say the least it is very well written. The graphics are great...less boxy than is the standard today. I can see the code tracks my computer, OS, browser, my language as British. It uses maps graphics very well. There is a lot of features in the site that I will explore. :-)

All my major sites were internal ones so sophisticated security was not an issue...and graphics were little more than icons, button and standard government/company images. I can understand why your site is not one that should be exposed, to the general public, on the web...too much confidential personal information.   

I do not mean that you should go and work for the government, not as an employee (I would not wish that on anyone). It is that I have found, governments and larger companies will pay a lot more to an external contractor than to any employee. :-)

That is too bad but moving to Linux is not a operation to be taken lightly. I have been lead to believe that 70 percent of all software that runs in Russia has been pirated...is this true??  I do not necessarily believe the comments from Microsoft as to that percentage but doesn't the new Windows10 eliminate the possibility of pirated software, at least their latest OS?  In Russia, when you buy a new computer, does it not come preloaded with Windows?

Jim
   
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 4:15:19 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)

 Hi Jim --

The web address of company is ? http://tinyurl.com/pgcl2fe ? but this is not the web site I have done for them. And web site wasn't big as I have written - but the company is rather big and web site is for all its employees to check their payroll information online. I have been subcontracted by my colleague.

>>>?Beyond the front end presentation, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability and so on...

Yes, but real life (here) isn't that complicated :)

>>>?Aside: Do you do any government work? I understand that your government is planning on moving all?
>>>> their systems to some Linux distros? That transition is supposed to be underway and completed sometime in 2016. Is this true?

Jim, I prefer to stay independent from government and any state-financed organizations.
I have heard that their plans to move all their system on OSS aren't going to be implemented.

-- Shamil


>Monday, October 26, 2015 11:53 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>It is always good when you complete a big project. (So what is the address? ;-))
>
>That looks like a good set of tools but tools are only as good as the technician using them. Maybe I am over analysing the production of a professional level web site but there are many considerations when building one. My concerns fall into a number of areas but I will comment on only one, in this post. 
>
>The presentation front end.
>1. The loading speed. If the pages are to be flexible their content should be provided via a BE database. The data that is transfered must very little as it will not be long before a server could become overwelmed.
>2. The use of composite graphic should be limited. SVG graphics should used everywhere. Particularly in fonts. Only digital fonts should be used which are capable of modifying to any screen size without any loss in quality.
>3. The layout, design and the user interface should be generated at the clients end so the pages, once loaded do not need to connect the server BE.
>4. The site should have the capability to adapt to page size and even detect screen real-estate so a particular page layout can be selected or a specific page loaded that matches the type of hardware it is being displayed on; PC, laptop, tablet or smartphones.
>5. Gestures should be supported as those type of interfaces are becoming more common every day.
>
>Beyond the front end presentation, security, flexibility, scalability, performance, reliability and so on...
>
>I made many websites before I officially retired but find myself a little intimidated with all the new advancements. I have all the tools I need to do any job but applying the new technologies correctly is the issue. By today's standards, my previous websites were functional but primitive. I have been working to create first class site but it will take a while to get it just right.
>
>I have been taking an online series of courses to improve my efforts: MondoDB, Elasticsearch, Linux-Cloud and Docker. I do not need this information but have always been fascinated by leading edge technologies and hope to apply what I learned to the next website.
>
>Aside: Do you do any government work? I understand that your government is planning on moving all their systems to some Linux distros? That transition is supposed to be underway and completed sometime in 2016. Is this true?
>
>Jim 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:27:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
><<<??no longer can professional web sites be built by a single developer, unless he/she has six months available without interruption and an extensive knowledge of all the disciplines... >>>
>
>I have just finished one, it's in production now, not a big web site but for a big local company :)
>
>Nowadays in MS stack there are very advanced web development technologies - for all kinds of UI it's Telerik - "MS Access on steroids", for back end - it's C#, ASP.NET (Web API2), MS SQL. I don't even mention MS Azure, MS Office 365, MS SharePoint etc.
>
><<<??The costs of building a good secure site is so expensive ....>
>What about ??  https://letsencrypt.org/howitworks/ ?? :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
<<< skipped >>>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 11:32:23 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:32:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gFCCYUo3=Lbn62d6JSupqVibN4GcKNT_jH5UN7yyyxMA@mail.gmail.com>

You'll need a screen (any screen -- with an HDMI cable you can use your TV
if you wish), and a mouse and keyboard, but the box itself is the size of a
phablet, and comes with 2GB of RAM, 18GB of disk space, 2 USB ports, and
Windows 10 Home edition pre-installed. It's from InFocus and is called the
Kangaroo
<http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/>
.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 27 17:25:49 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:25:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gFCCYUo3=Lbn62d6JSupqVibN4GcKNT_jH5UN7yyyxMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <356426913.992775.1445984749884.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

It looks like a great product. The only downside is that the device does not have a network port as the maximum throughput on a Wi-Fi port is 54 megabits per second as opposed to 1 gigabit on a standard network connection. No high resolution movies. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:32:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

You'll need a screen (any screen -- with an HDMI cable you can use your TV
if you wish), and a mouse and keyboard, but the box itself is the size of a
phablet, and comes with 2GB of RAM, 18GB of disk space, 2 USB ports, and
Windows 10 Home edition pre-installed. It's from InFocus and is called the
Kangaroo
<http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/>
.

-- 
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From djkr at msn.com  Tue Oct 27 19:01:02 2015
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 00:01:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
In-Reply-To: <356426913.992775.1445984749884.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP97D2BF54EA23D3D64D745DD2210@phx.gbl>

Hi Jim

I'm a real ignoramus as far as movies are concerned;  what megabit-rate does a high res movie need?

The nearest thing I know about is HD TV.  Downloading a one-hour program takes me about 4 minutes - at 30-odd
megabits/sec, which is what I expect with my FTTC connection - way under 54mb/s.  What am I missing?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 27 October 2015 22:26
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99


It looks like a great product. The only downside is that the device does not have a network port as the maximum
throughput on a Wi-Fi port is 54 megabits per second as opposed to 1 gigabit on a standard network connection. No high
resolution movies. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:32:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

You'll need a screen (any screen -- with an HDMI cable you can use your TV if you wish), and a mouse and keyboard, but
the box itself is the size of a phablet, and comes with 2GB of RAM, 18GB of disk space, 2 USB ports, and Windows 10 Home
edition pre-installed. It's from InFocus and is called the Kangaroo
<http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/>
.

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 27 20:46:52 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:46:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP97D2BF54EA23D3D64D745DD2210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1156873281.1112598.1445996812843.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

A high-definition movie, ripped from an original DVD, can be as large as 20 GBs (I have the DVD movie of Cloud Atlas). I just started to test moving that 19 GB file from a server to my laptop via wireless and it said it would take 3 hours and 25 minutes... I never completed the test of course but...

All my movies have been ripped from their original media and stored on a server and through the network they have been attached to our smartTV via a network cable.

I am sure small files will work just fine on that system but for the high-definition experience, I don't think so.
  
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

Hi Jim

I'm a real ignoramus as far as movies are concerned;  what megabit-rate does a high res movie need?

The nearest thing I know about is HD TV.  Downloading a one-hour program takes me about 4 minutes - at 30-odd
megabits/sec, which is what I expect with my FTTC connection - way under 54mb/s.  What am I missing?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 27 October 2015 22:26
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99


It looks like a great product. The only downside is that the device does not have a network port as the maximum
throughput on a Wi-Fi port is 54 megabits per second as opposed to 1 gigabit on a standard network connection. No high
resolution movies. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:32:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

You'll need a screen (any screen -- with an HDMI cable you can use your TV if you wish), and a mouse and keyboard, but
the box itself is the size of a phablet, and comes with 2GB of RAM, 18GB of disk space, 2 USB ports, and Windows 10 Home
edition pre-installed. It's from InFocus and is called the Kangaroo
<http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/>
.

-- 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 27 22:03:40 2015
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 23:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
Message-ID: <1837678430.49449.1446001422001.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> I am sure small files will work just fine on that system but for the high-definition experience, I don't think so. 

for that you want an ethernet wire

PB

---- Original Message ----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: 10/27/15 9:46 PM
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: 
Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
Hi John:

A high-definition movie, ripped from an original DVD, can be as large as 20 GBs (I have the DVD movie of Cloud Atlas). I just started to test moving that 19 GB file from a server to my laptop via wireless and it said it would take 3 hours and 25 minutes... I never completed the test of course but...

All my movies have been ripped from their original media and stored on a server and through the network they have been attached to our smartTV via a network cable.

I am sure small files will work just fine on that system but for the high-definition experience, I don't think so.
  
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

Hi Jim

I'm a real ignoramus as far as movies are concerned;  what megabit-rate does a high res movie need?

The nearest thing I know about is HD TV.  Downloading a one-hour program takes me about 4 minutes - at 30-odd
megabits/sec, which is what I expect with my FTTC connection - way under 54mb/s.  What am I missing?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 27 October 2015 22:26
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99


It looks like a great product. The only downside is that the device does not have a network port as the maximum
throughput on a Wi-Fi port is 54 megabits per second as opposed to 1 gigabit on a standard network connection. No high
resolution movies. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:32:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

You'll need a screen (any screen -- with an HDMI cable you can use your TV if you wish), and a mouse and keyboard, but
the box itself is the size of a phablet, and comes with 2GB of RAM, 18GB of disk space, 2 USB ports, and Windows 10 Home
edition pre-installed. It's from InFocus and is called the Kangaroo
<http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/>
.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 28 02:18:11 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:18:11 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584269617290CF75B7DF35ECA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

Cute.  A little like the new Lumia phone with Windows 10.
I think we have only seen the beginning of small if not tiny Windows 10 devices.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 27. oktober 2015 17:32
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

You'll need a screen (any screen -- with an HDMI cable you can use your TV if you wish), and a mouse and keyboard, but the box itself is the size of a phablet, and comes with 2GB of RAM, 18GB of disk space, 2 USB ports, and Windows 10 Home edition pre-installed. It's from InFocus and is called the Kangaroo <http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/>
.

--
Arthur 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 28 02:26:30 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:26:30 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15847D423168F4B1E492634CCA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Anyone having experience with the HomeNetwork of Windows 10 (or 8.x)?

A friend of mine and his family need some kind of network/interconnection for their four pc/laptops - and a true network with server and AD will be overkill for sure. Besides, some devices only run the Home editions of Windows 7. All machines will be upgraded to Windows 10 however.

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 28 11:28:29 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:28:29 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
In-Reply-To: <1837678430.49449.1446001422001.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1702934510.1495381.1446049709082.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I have never had the following product but have been told this is the best...the Roku 3 (sells for $99 to $110 depending on where it is bought)

https://www.roku.com/en-ca/products/roku-3

If you want to go cheap ($25-$35) and have a bent towards building your own, there are a number of articles on how setup a RaspberryPI for just such a task.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/computing/pc/tv-on-raspberry-pi-watch-and-record-live-tv-1151587
 
This is not to say the Kangaroo is not a good choice but why wasn't a network connector included?

PS I do use a product called Handbrake as it will take any video and assembles it so it will run through any connection and run on any computer device. It will squeeze a HD file down so it runs perfectly on a smartphone, for example. Great for setting up travelling entertainment: 

http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/

Note: It does not matter if your computer has six cores and 48GB of RAM, on an SSD card, if you are doing a big conversions Handbrake will absorb every resource. When it has a big task ahead it does not play well with other applications. ;-) 

Jim
 
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From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:03:40 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

> I am sure small files will work just fine on that system but for the high-definition experience, I don't think so. 

for that you want an ethernet wire

PB

---- Original Message ----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: 10/27/15 9:46 PM
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: 
Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99
Hi John:

A high-definition movie, ripped from an original DVD, can be as large as 20 GBs (I have the DVD movie of Cloud Atlas). I just started to test moving that 19 GB file from a server to my laptop via wireless and it said it would take 3 hours and 25 minutes... I never completed the test of course but...

All my movies have been ripped from their original media and stored on a server and through the network they have been attached to our smartTV via a network cable.

I am sure small files will work just fine on that system but for the high-definition experience, I don't think so.
  
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 5:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

Hi Jim

I'm a real ignoramus as far as movies are concerned;  what megabit-rate does a high res movie need?

The nearest thing I know about is HD TV.  Downloading a one-hour program takes me about 4 minutes - at 30-odd
megabits/sec, which is what I expect with my FTTC connection - way under 54mb/s.  What am I missing?

John


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 27 October 2015 22:26
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99


It looks like a great product. The only downside is that the device does not have a network port as the maximum
throughput on a Wi-Fi port is 54 megabits per second as opposed to 1 gigabit on a standard network connection. No high
resolution movies. 

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:32:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Windows 10 PC the size of a phablet for $99

You'll need a screen (any screen -- with an HDMI cable you can use your TV if you wish), and a mouse and keyboard, but
the box itself is the size of a phablet, and comes with 2GB of RAM, 18GB of disk space, 2 USB ports, and Windows 10 Home
edition pre-installed. It's from InFocus and is called the Kangaroo
<http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/26/kangaroo-is-an-amazing-99-windows-10-portable-pc/>
.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 28 12:12:24 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:12:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15847D423168F4B1E492634CCA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1185220639.1530819.1446052344690.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

I am far from an expert in Windows 10, but would think that the process should be super simple. Little more than naming each computer, establishing a workgroup and connection each via a single router. My version of Windows 10 runs from a VD and is just connected to the network as part of a workgroup and sees all the virtuals, stations and servers without a problem (XP, Windows 7 and Server 2008 and a host of other Linux servers and stations) and is not part of the AD.

Maybe I am not understanding your question? 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:26:30 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork

Hi all

Anyone having experience with the HomeNetwork of Windows 10 (or 8.x)?

A friend of mine and his family need some kind of network/interconnection for their four pc/laptops - and a true network with server and AD will be overkill for sure. Besides, some devices only run the Home editions of Windows 7. All machines will be upgraded to Windows 10 however.

/gustav
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 13:09:18 2015
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 13:09:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15847D423168F4B1E492634CCA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15847D423168F4B1E492634CCA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJq9V+eYW+fYZQ8-Jt2cigRG=qng-wAdEK26+MX81SXzw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gustav

I have a network at home. I guess it is a HomeNetwork.  I have 4
desktops running various versions, Windows 10 64 Pro, Windows 7 64
Pro, Windows Vista, XP. Two laptops, one Vista and one XP. A surround
sound receiver, a Blueray Disk Player, and a HP 8450 Photosmart
Ethernet connected printer all sharing things. I have drives mapped
from system to system where appropriate. Additionally there are 2
tablets and 2 smart phones sharing the Internet through the WIFI
although they aren't connected to other devices. Internet connection
is through a cable company provided modem/router. That router has 4
wired ports and 802.11n WIFI. I have a 8 port Gigabit switch plugged
into one of the wired ports and a second 8 Port Gigabit switched
plugged into one of the ports on the first switch.  The XP desktop is
connected via WIFI as are the laptops but the other 3 desktops, the
surround sound receiver, the Blueray player and the printer are all
connected via wires.  Pretty much everything can see everything with
the exception that the XP systems sometimes have difficulty connecting
to drives on the Win 7 system. Everything can see the printer which is
the main thing that needs to be shared.  None of these systems is
officially a server although I do use some of them as file storage
primarily now.  The desktops have all been my main workstation at home
at some point over the years and rather than just toss them when the
replacement came, I continued to use them for other things and to
remain as a backup of important files that I might still want at some
point.   The router is assigning all the network IP addresses and
things and managing that kind of stuff. I think that is a standard
thing for a router to do.

I certainly am no expert but I have fumbled my way though getting it
working and keeping it working over the years.  The router just died
last Saturday night and so I had to deal with getting a replacement
from the cable company on Sunday morning and getting it configured to
work the same as the old one did with the same encryption password
etc.

My Win 10 system was originally Win 8, then upgraded to 8.1 then to 10
and then I reloaded it completely from a Win 10 64 Pro DVD after
having a video issue on the upgraded version.  It's been stable since
and I am still not sure what happened that necessitated that reload
but I had absolutely no video on it after the BIOS screen. I guess I
did get to a boot menu a few times.  It had been kind of a flaky
system all through it's life until the latest reload. It's a homebuilt
system so only myself to blame there. It's not a mission critical
system for me as it's only the music server for the Home Theater
system and I have hard copies of the music. My Win 7 system is also
built from a barebones kit and it's been very stable over the years.

I think if you have a router you have everything you need to share
files and devices between peer workstations.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having experience with the HomeNetwork of Windows 10 (or 8.x)?
>
> A friend of mine and his family need some kind of network/interconnection for their four pc/laptops - and a true network with server and AD will be overkill for sure. Besides, some devices only run the Home editions of Windows 7. All machines will be upgraded to Windows 10 however.
>
> /gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 28 14:10:05 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 19:10:05 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJq9V+eYW+fYZQ8-Jt2cigRG=qng-wAdEK26+MX81SXzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15847D423168F4B1E492634CCA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJq9V+eYW+fYZQ8-Jt2cigRG=qng-wAdEK26+MX81SXzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158464585417B5AAF8D98316CA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks all.

I found out it is called HomeGroup. A guide is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/homegroup-help#homegroup-start-to-finish=windows-81&v1h=win81tab1&v2h=win7tab1

Strangely, no guide is found for Windows 10, but I guess it can't be that different.

All my computers are hooked up to our Active Directory so I cannot create a HomeGroup, only connect to one (which I can't create). I will have to set up a virgin VM or two with the Home or Pro version to check it out.

It seems to be pretty easy.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com>
Sendt: 28. oktober 2015 19:09
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork

Hi Gustav

I have a network at home. I guess it is a HomeNetwork.  I have 4
desktops running various versions, Windows 10 64 Pro, Windows 7 64
Pro, Windows Vista, XP. Two laptops, one Vista and one XP. A surround
sound receiver, a Blueray Disk Player, and a HP 8450 Photosmart
Ethernet connected printer all sharing things. I have drives mapped
from system to system where appropriate. Additionally there are 2
tablets and 2 smart phones sharing the Internet through the WIFI
although they aren't connected to other devices. Internet connection
is through a cable company provided modem/router. That router has 4
wired ports and 802.11n WIFI. I have a 8 port Gigabit switch plugged
into one of the wired ports and a second 8 Port Gigabit switched
plugged into one of the ports on the first switch.  The XP desktop is
connected via WIFI as are the laptops but the other 3 desktops, the
surround sound receiver, the Blueray player and the printer are all
connected via wires.  Pretty much everything can see everything with
the exception that the XP systems sometimes have difficulty connecting
to drives on the Win 7 system. Everything can see the printer which is
the main thing that needs to be shared.  None of these systems is
officially a server although I do use some of them as file storage
primarily now.  The desktops have all been my main workstation at home
at some point over the years and rather than just toss them when the
replacement came, I continued to use them for other things and to
remain as a backup of important files that I might still want at some
point.   The router is assigning all the network IP addresses and
things and managing that kind of stuff. I think that is a standard
thing for a router to do.

I certainly am no expert but I have fumbled my way though getting it
working and keeping it working over the years.  The router just died
last Saturday night and so I had to deal with getting a replacement
from the cable company on Sunday morning and getting it configured to
work the same as the old one did with the same encryption password
etc.

My Win 10 system was originally Win 8, then upgraded to 8.1 then to 10
and then I reloaded it completely from a Win 10 64 Pro DVD after
having a video issue on the upgraded version.  It's been stable since
and I am still not sure what happened that necessitated that reload
but I had absolutely no video on it after the BIOS screen. I guess I
did get to a boot menu a few times.  It had been kind of a flaky
system all through it's life until the latest reload. It's a homebuilt
system so only myself to blame there. It's not a mission critical
system for me as it's only the music server for the Home Theater
system and I have hard copies of the music. My Win 7 system is also
built from a barebones kit and it's been very stable over the years.

I think if you have a router you have everything you need to share
files and devices between peer workstations.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having experience with the HomeNetwork of Windows 10 (or 8.x)?
>
> A friend of mine and his family need some kind of network/interconnection for their four pc/laptops - and a true network with server and AD will be overkill for sure. Besides, some devices only run the Home editions of Windows 7. All machines will be upgraded to Windows 10 however.
>
> /gustav
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 28 18:16:25 2015
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:16:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158464585417B5AAF8D98316CA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15847D423168F4B1E492634CCA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJq9V+eYW+fYZQ8-Jt2cigRG=qng-wAdEK26+MX81SXzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<VI1PR06MB158464585417B5AAF8D98316CA210@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <012d01d111d6$aafc9ad0$00f5d070$@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
HomeGroups are the easy networking technique for Windows devices since Win7.
For the Home Version I believe it is the default network setup. 

I don't have one permanently setup here as it doesn't suit my needs but for
the typical family it is a good thing. I did set one up once o test it. It
makes networks somewhat transparent for the typical end user. It makes
printer sharing a non-issue. When I first connected my Surface RT to a
HomeGroup it went and installed all the printers without me doing anything -
and they all worked! Files are shared via libraries which makes it quite
useful for streaming music, videos and viewing photos.

I think there is an ability to connect a domain connected computer to a
HomeGroup but I've never gone down that path. Occasionally when I'm having
networking issues with a client I find that someone has set their wireless
network to "Home" and in the advanced settings that triggers the HomeGroup
security to turn on. Apparently it doesn't mix well with the user/password
security model.

Note that this technology does make the older, "Windows Workgroups"
irrelevant.
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork

Thanks all.

I found out it is called HomeGroup. A guide is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/homegroup-help#homegroup-start-to
-finish=windows-81&v1h=win81tab1&v2h=win7tab1

Strangely, no guide is found for Windows 10, but I guess it can't be that
different.

All my computers are hooked up to our Active Directory so I cannot create a
HomeGroup, only connect to one (which I can't create). I will have to set up
a virgin VM or two with the Home or Pro version to check it out.

It seems to be pretty easy.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gary Kjos
<garykjos at gmail.com>
Sendt: 28. oktober 2015 19:09
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork

Hi Gustav

I have a network at home. I guess it is a HomeNetwork.  I have 4 desktops
running various versions, Windows 10 64 Pro, Windows 7 64 Pro, Windows
Vista, XP. Two laptops, one Vista and one XP. A surround sound receiver, a
Blueray Disk Player, and a HP 8450 Photosmart Ethernet connected printer all
sharing things. I have drives mapped from system to system where
appropriate. Additionally there are 2 tablets and 2 smart phones sharing the
Internet through the WIFI although they aren't connected to other devices.
Internet connection is through a cable company provided modem/router. That
router has 4 wired ports and 802.11n WIFI. I have a 8 port Gigabit switch
plugged into one of the wired ports and a second 8 Port Gigabit switched
plugged into one of the ports on the first switch.  The XP desktop is
connected via WIFI as are the laptops but the other 3 desktops, the surround
sound receiver, the Blueray player and the printer are all connected via
wires.  Pretty much everything can see everything with the exception that
the XP systems sometimes have difficulty connecting to drives on the Win 7
system. Everything can see the printer which is the main thing that needs to
be shared.  None of these systems is officially a server although I do use
some of them as file storage primarily now.  The desktops have all been my
main workstation at home at some point over the years and rather than just
toss them when the replacement came, I continued to use them for other
things and to remain as a backup of important files that I might still want
at some
point.   The router is assigning all the network IP addresses and
things and managing that kind of stuff. I think that is a standard thing for
a router to do.

I certainly am no expert but I have fumbled my way though getting it working
and keeping it working over the years.  The router just died last Saturday
night and so I had to deal with getting a replacement from the cable company
on Sunday morning and getting it configured to work the same as the old one
did with the same encryption password etc.

My Win 10 system was originally Win 8, then upgraded to 8.1 then to 10 and
then I reloaded it completely from a Win 10 64 Pro DVD after having a video
issue on the upgraded version.  It's been stable since and I am still not
sure what happened that necessitated that reload but I had absolutely no
video on it after the BIOS screen. I guess I did get to a boot menu a few
times.  It had been kind of a flaky system all through it's life until the
latest reload. It's a homebuilt system so only myself to blame there. It's
not a mission critical system for me as it's only the music server for the
Home Theater system and I have hard copies of the music. My Win 7 system is
also built from a barebones kit and it's been very stable over the years.

I think if you have a router you have everything you need to share files and
devices between peer workstations.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having experience with the HomeNetwork of Windows 10 (or 8.x)?
>
> A friend of mine and his family need some kind of network/interconnection
for their four pc/laptops - and a true network with server and AD will be
overkill for sure. Besides, some devices only run the Home editions of
Windows 7. All machines will be upgraded to Windows 10 however.
>
> /gustav
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 29 01:58:50 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:58:50 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158466766A57BB6546B766B1CA200@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

Thanks. That sounds exactly what my friend needs. Right now they are messing around with two printers and some USB sticks and drives and can "never find anything".

"Windows Workgroups" ... oh my - brings back (bad) memories.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow
Sendt: 29. oktober 2015 00:16
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork
Prioritet: H?j

Hi Gustav,
HomeGroups are the easy networking technique for Windows devices since Win7.
For the Home Version I believe it is the default network setup. 

I don't have one permanently setup here as it doesn't suit my needs but for the typical family it is a good thing. I did set one up once o test it. It makes networks somewhat transparent for the typical end user. It makes printer sharing a non-issue. When I first connected my Surface RT to a HomeGroup it went and installed all the printers without me doing anything - and they all worked! Files are shared via libraries which makes it quite useful for streaming music, videos and viewing photos.

I think there is an ability to connect a domain connected computer to a HomeGroup but I've never gone down that path. Occasionally when I'm having networking issues with a client I find that someone has set their wireless network to "Home" and in the advanced settings that triggers the HomeGroup security to turn on. Apparently it doesn't mix well with the user/password security model.

Note that this technology does make the older, "Windows Workgroups"
irrelevant.
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork

Thanks all.

I found out it is called HomeGroup. A guide is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/homegroup-help#homegroup-start-to
-finish=windows-81&v1h=win81tab1&v2h=win7tab1

Strangely, no guide is found for Windows 10, but I guess it can't be that different.

All my computers are hooked up to our Active Directory so I cannot create a HomeGroup, only connect to one (which I can't create). I will have to set up a virgin VM or two with the Home or Pro version to check it out.

It seems to be pretty easy.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com>
Sendt: 28. oktober 2015 19:09
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 HomeNetwork

Hi Gustav

I have a network at home. I guess it is a HomeNetwork.  I have 4 desktops running various versions, Windows 10 64 Pro, Windows 7 64 Pro, Windows Vista, XP. Two laptops, one Vista and one XP. A surround sound receiver, a Blueray Disk Player, and a HP 8450 Photosmart Ethernet connected printer all sharing things. I have drives mapped from system to system where appropriate. Additionally there are 2 tablets and 2 smart phones sharing the Internet through the WIFI although they aren't connected to other devices.
Internet connection is through a cable company provided modem/router. That router has 4 wired ports and 802.11n WIFI. I have a 8 port Gigabit switch plugged into one of the wired ports and a second 8 Port Gigabit switched plugged into one of the ports on the first switch.  The XP desktop is connected via WIFI as are the laptops but the other 3 desktops, the surround sound receiver, the Blueray player and the printer are all connected via wires.  Pretty much everything can see everything with the exception that the XP systems sometimes have difficulty connecting to drives on the Win 7 system. Everything can see the printer which is the main thing that needs to be shared.  None of these systems is officially a server although I do use some of them as file storage primarily now.  The desktops have all been my main workstation at home at some point over the years and rather than just toss them when the replacement came, I continued to use them for other things and to remain as a backup of important files that I might still want at some
point.   The router is assigning all the network IP addresses and
things and managing that kind of stuff. I think that is a standard thing for a router to do.

I certainly am no expert but I have fumbled my way though getting it working and keeping it working over the years.  The router just died last Saturday night and so I had to deal with getting a replacement from the cable company on Sunday morning and getting it configured to work the same as the old one did with the same encryption password etc.

My Win 10 system was originally Win 8, then upgraded to 8.1 then to 10 and then I reloaded it completely from a Win 10 64 Pro DVD after having a video issue on the upgraded version.  It's been stable since and I am still not sure what happened that necessitated that reload but I had absolutely no video on it after the BIOS screen. I guess I did get to a boot menu a few times.  It had been kind of a flaky system all through it's life until the latest reload. It's a homebuilt system so only myself to blame there. It's not a mission critical system for me as it's only the music server for the Home Theater system and I have hard copies of the music. My Win 7 system is also built from a barebones kit and it's been very stable over the years.

I think if you have a router you have everything you need to share files and devices between peer workstations.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Anyone having experience with the HomeNetwork of Windows 10 (or 8.x)?
>
> A friend of mine and his family need some kind of 
> network/interconnection
for their four pc/laptops - and a true network with server and AD will be overkill for sure. Besides, some devices only run the Home editions of Windows 7. All machines will be upgraded to Windows 10 however.
>
> /gustav 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Oct 29 10:26:20 2015
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:26:20 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
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 Hi Jim --

This site is done by #1 Russian design studio - ? http://tinyurl.com/kxtxv ? - .

I don't have stats how many software is pirated here currently, I doubt that it as?large as 70% - all/most of the computers (desktop, laptop,...) one can buy here in the computer shops have preinstalled OEM OSes AFAIK.

>>>?In Russia, when you buy a new computer, does it not come preloaded with Windows?
Jim, it's funny, look:

-  http://tinyurl.com/877jjsu ?- this local company has 15 000 000 buying customers every year - do you think they use/setup pirated software/OSes on the computers they sell?

There are a few more like that, which I suppose supply 90+% percent of computers to the local Russian market.

NB/FYI: Shopping infrastructure for consumers goods is similar here to what you have there. All the same main brands. The shopping (mega-)malls, supermarkets, boutiques etc. are looking very similar. All the same new models coming the same time you're getting them there... it's a small World :) (I mean the main brands - of course you still have a lot larger nomenclature of consumer goods but it all/most of it is available here via Internet shopping if needed. Delivery would be costly, for sure, but it's usually affordable.)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:43 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I have looked at the site and to say the least it is very well written. The graphics are great...less boxy than is the standard today. I can see the code tracks my computer, OS, browser, my language as British. It uses maps graphics very well. There is a lot of features in the site that I will explore. :-)
>
>All my major sites were internal ones so sophisticated security was not an issue...and graphics were little more than icons, button and standard government/company images. I can understand why your site is not one that should be exposed, to the general public, on the web...too much confidential personal information. 
>
>I do not mean that you should go and work for the government, not as an employee (I would not wish that on anyone). It is that I have found, governments and larger companies will pay a lot more to an external contractor than to any employee. :-)
>
>That is too bad but moving to Linux is not a operation to be taken lightly. I have been lead to believe that 70 percent of all software that runs in Russia has been pirated...is this true??  I do not necessarily believe the comments from Microsoft as to that percentage but doesn't the new Windows10 eliminate the possibility of pirated software, at least their latest OS?  In Russia, when you buy a new computer, does it not come preloaded with Windows?
>
>Jim

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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 29 14:57:47 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:57:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
In-Reply-To: <1446132380.754794386@f65.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1404805254.2493590.1446148667346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

...inline

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:26:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)

 Hi Jim --

...they did a very good job. (It seems that the site is a little resource hungry but that should be expected with that panel of data that is continually being updated in real-time.

This site is done by #1 Russian design studio - ? http://tinyurl.com/kxtxv ? - .

...love the work...especially the helicopter. My youngest daughter worked at a graphic company, for a contract doing similar renderings and "blow apart designs". 

I don't have stats how many software is pirated here currently, I doubt that it as?large as 70% - all/most of the computers (desktop, laptop,...) one can buy here in the computer shops have preinstalled OEM OSes AFAIK.

...It is as I suspected but I had to ask as your informed opinion clarifies certain misconception that others may hold. The comments that are being presented on many western main-stream media are suspect, to say the least. (I could say a lot more but DBA-tech is not the appropriate venue.)

>>>?In Russia, when you buy a new computer, does it not come preloaded with Windows?
Jim, it's funny, look:

-  http://tinyurl.com/877jjsu ?- this local company has 15 000 000 buying customers every year - do you think they use/setup pirated software/OSes on the computers they sell?

...Aside: Some of those price, after being converted look very well priced...I wonder if they deliver abroad? ;-) Example: In Russia Windows 10 professional costs $200CAN but here, in Canada it costs $250CAN...and it appears that everything else is a good 25+ percent cheaper as well. (If it is any consolation, it appears the US/Saudi oil sanctions have hurt us worse than in Russia.)

There are a few more like that, which I suppose supply 90+% percent of computers to the local Russian market.

NB/FYI: Shopping infrastructure for consumers goods is similar here to what you have there. All the same main brands. The shopping (mega-)malls, supermarkets, boutiques etc. are looking very similar. All the same new models coming the same time you're getting them there... it's a small World :) (I mean the main brands - of course you still have a lot larger nomenclature of consumer goods but it all/most of it is available here via Internet shopping if needed. Delivery would be costly, for sure, but it's usually affordable.)

...Thank you for the clarification as it does put things into real perspective.
 
Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:43 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I have looked at the site and to say the least it is very well written. The graphics are great...less boxy than is the standard today. I can see the code tracks my computer, OS, browser, my language as British. It uses maps graphics very well. There is a lot of features in the site that I will explore. :-)
>
>All my major sites were internal ones so sophisticated security was not an issue...and graphics were little more than icons, button and standard government/company images. I can understand why your site is not one that should be exposed, to the general public, on the web...too much confidential personal information. 
>
>I do not mean that you should go and work for the government, not as an employee (I would not wish that on anyone). It is that I have found, governments and larger companies will pay a lot more to an external contractor than to any employee. :-)
>
>That is too bad but moving to Linux is not a operation to be taken lightly. I have been lead to believe that 70 percent of all software that runs in Russia has been pirated...is this true??  I do not necessarily believe the comments from Microsoft as to that percentage but doesn't the new Windows10 eliminate the possibility of pirated software, at least their latest OS?  In Russia, when you buy a new computer, does it not come preloaded with Windows?
>
>Jim

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 30 04:50:23 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:50:23 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web
 browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com
 :)
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584BF5E036E8F871892B977CA2F0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

That design studio is really top notch. I love the fancy keyboards listed on the main page. But, in general,  the variety in the portfolio is impressive.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 29. oktober 2015 16:26
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] "Take a sad song and make it better..." - Web browsers' testing automation with Selenium WebDrivers from LucidChart.com :)

 Hi Jim --

This site is done by #1 Russian design studio - ? http://tinyurl.com/kxtxv ? - .