From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  1 01:20:26 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 06:20:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584A436FA196EA2D8314DE4CA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

The name would be Excel OnLine. At least that is what it is labelled when you select Excel from the top-left "squares" menu and the Excel page opens.

By the way, I thought you had devoted yourself to writing books for children. Nice to see you are back in the game!

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 1. april 2016 03:22
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] 365 question

An editor and I are trying to clarify terms for Office 365 apps. I've been using Office 2016 and 365 to distinguish between the installed and cloud apps, but she thinks 365 is the wrong term because 365 is the subscription name. I agree about the latter, but MS uses the term Office 365 when you sign into the cloud apps, so I thought readers would understand the distinction. We do want to be as correct as possible. 

How are you guys referencing these? 

Susan H 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 05:47:15 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 06:47:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584A436FA196EA2D8314DE4CA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Gustav, thanks for responding. I don't see the same thing when I sign into
the online/cloud version.  I'm running 2016, and the name in the top left is
Office 365. The individual apps are their simple names -- no Online included
anywhere. That's what the editor wants to use, but with the Web Apps out
there,  I don't want readers to infer that I'm including those. 

MS uses the terms "Office suite" and "Office online."
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-enterprise-e3-business
-software -- notice the lower case for suite and online, so these terms
aren't names, but we could go this route, but I don't care for them -- I
think suite is ambiguous and online is a bit too broad. 

Gustav, I never stopped writing about Office. I just don't write books about
children or software anymore -- I'd starve. :) At one time, books sold well
and authors made money, but not anymore. There are too many books (often
bad) and too many people willing to write them for promises and really bad
contracts.  

Susan H. 



Hi Susan

The name would be Excel OnLine. At least that is what it is labelled when
you select Excel from the top-left "squares" menu and the Excel page opens.

By the way, I thought you had devoted yourself to writing books for
children. Nice to see you are back in the game!

/gustav

An editor and I are trying to clarify terms for Office 365 apps. I've been
using Office 2016 and 365 to distinguish between the installed and cloud
apps, but she thinks 365 is the wrong term because 365 is the subscription
name. I agree about the latter, but MS uses the term Office 365 when you
sign into the cloud apps, so I thought readers would understand the
distinction. We do want to be as correct as possible. 

How are you guys referencing these? 

Susan H 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  1 06:36:39 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:36:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15840F22BE85C1037D44752ECA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

I can see it is "Online", not "OnLine", sorry:

1. I click the tile with the nine small squares.
2. The pane folds out with tiles holding the apps' simple names.
3. I click, say, Word.
4. Word opens. Top-left it is labelled: Word Online

Similar for the other applications.

Speak about writing books. My sister writes poetry (yes, no April fool) and has, in fact, sold more than 100k copies - which in this small country is quite a lot for this genre - without hardly making a cent. What makes some money is only the side effects: lectures etc. at cultural events of various types. So, to live, she works as a freelance accountant(!)

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 1. april 2016 12:47
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

Gustav, thanks for responding. I don't see the same thing when I sign into the online/cloud version.  I'm running 2016, and the name in the top left is Office 365. The individual apps are their simple names -- no Online included anywhere. That's what the editor wants to use, but with the Web Apps out there,  I don't want readers to infer that I'm including those. 

MS uses the terms "Office suite" and "Office online."
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-enterprise-e3-business-software -- notice the lower case for suite and online, so these terms aren't names, but we could go this route, but I don't care for them -- I think suite is ambiguous and online is a bit too broad. 

Gustav, I never stopped writing about Office. I just don't write books about children or software anymore -- I'd starve. :) At one time, books sold well and authors made money, but not anymore. There are too many books (often bad) and too many people willing to write them for promises and really bad contracts.  

Susan H. 



Hi Susan

The name would be Excel OnLine. At least that is what it is labelled when you select Excel from the top-left "squares" menu and the Excel page opens.

By the way, I thought you had devoted yourself to writing books for children. Nice to see you are back in the game!

/gustav

An editor and I are trying to clarify terms for Office 365 apps. I've been using Office 2016 and 365 to distinguish between the installed and cloud apps, but she thinks 365 is the wrong term because 365 is the subscription name. I agree about the latter, but MS uses the term Office 365 when you sign into the cloud apps, so I thought readers would understand the distinction. We do want to be as correct as possible. 

How are you guys referencing these? 

Susan H 


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  1 06:44:25 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:44:25 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15840F22BE85C1037D44752ECA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15840F22BE85C1037D44752ECA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF698EF@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Susan

In my mind

365 is the service name. The service contains different subscriptions. The apps ate just that apps. Word Apo etc

Martin
________________________________
From: Gustav Brock<mailto:gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: ?01/?04/?2016 12:37
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

Hi Susan

I can see it is "Online", not "OnLine", sorry:

1. I click the tile with the nine small squares.
2. The pane folds out with tiles holding the apps' simple names.
3. I click, say, Word.
4. Word opens. Top-left it is labelled: Word Online

Similar for the other applications.

Speak about writing books. My sister writes poetry (yes, no April fool) and has, in fact, sold more than 100k copies - which in this small country is quite a lot for this genre - without hardly making a cent. What makes some money is only the side effects: lectures etc. at cultural events of various types. So, to live, she works as a freelance accountant(!)

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 1. april 2016 12:47
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

Gustav, thanks for responding. I don't see the same thing when I sign into the online/cloud version.  I'm running 2016, and the name in the top left is Office 365. The individual apps are their simple names -- no Online included anywhere. That's what the editor wants to use, but with the Web Apps out there,  I don't want readers to infer that I'm including those.

MS uses the terms "Office suite" and "Office online."
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-enterprise-e3-business-software -- notice the lower case for suite and online, so these terms aren't names, but we could go this route, but I don't care for them -- I think suite is ambiguous and online is a bit too broad.

Gustav, I never stopped writing about Office. I just don't write books about children or software anymore -- I'd starve. :) At one time, books sold well and authors made money, but not anymore. There are too many books (often bad) and too many people willing to write them for promises and really bad contracts.

Susan H.



Hi Susan

The name would be Excel OnLine. At least that is what it is labelled when you select Excel from the top-left "squares" menu and the Excel page opens.

By the way, I thought you had devoted yourself to writing books for children. Nice to see you are back in the game!

/gustav

An editor and I are trying to clarify terms for Office 365 apps. I've been using Office 2016 and 365 to distinguish between the installed and cloud apps, but she thinks 365 is the wrong term because 365 is the subscription name. I agree about the latter, but MS uses the term Office 365 when you sign into the cloud apps, so I thought readers would understand the distinction. We do want to be as correct as possible.

How are you guys referencing these?

Susan H

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 06:53:26 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:53:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF698EF@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <VI1PR06MB15840F22BE85C1037D44752ECA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF698EF@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000601d18c0d$1a638bd0$4f2aa370$@gmail.com>

I need to distinguish between the installed and cloud apps, without inferring Web Apps -- which are free and not part of the 365 subscription. 

All of my articles/solutions are written for the desktop apps. When applicable, I try to warn readers about what's not available I the cloud versions. 

Susan H. 


Susan

In my mind

365 is the service name. The service contains different subscriptions. The apps ate just that apps. Word Apo etc

Martin
________________________________




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 06:55:46 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:55:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15840F22BE85C1037D44752ECA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15840F22BE85C1037D44752ECA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000701d18c0d$6dd98350$498c89f0$@gmail.com>

Aha... you are correct -- it does say Online, uppercase... once you open the
app. I hadn't noticed! That is helpful. 

My grandmother worked her way through nursing school by selling her poetry
to a local newspaper. :) 

Susan H 

Hi Susan

I can see it is "Online", not "OnLine", sorry:

1. I click the tile with the nine small squares.
2. The pane folds out with tiles holding the apps' simple names.
3. I click, say, Word.
4. Word opens. Top-left it is labelled: Word Online

Similar for the other applications.

Speak about writing books. My sister writes poetry (yes, no April fool) and
has, in fact, sold more than 100k copies - which in this small country is
quite a lot for this genre - without hardly making a cent. What makes some
money is only the side effects: lectures etc. at cultural events of various
types. So, to live, she works as a freelance accountant(!)

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Susan Harkins
Sendt: 1. april 2016 12:47
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

Gustav, thanks for responding. I don't see the same thing when I sign into
the online/cloud version.  I'm running 2016, and the name in the top left is
Office 365. The individual apps are their simple names -- no Online included
anywhere. That's what the editor wants to use, but with the Web Apps out
there,  I don't want readers to infer that I'm including those. 

MS uses the terms "Office suite" and "Office online."
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-enterprise-e3-business
-software -- notice the lower case for suite and online, so these terms
aren't names, but we could go this route, but I don't care for them -- I
think suite is ambiguous and online is a bit too broad. 

Gustav, I never stopped writing about Office. I just don't write books about
children or software anymore -- I'd starve. :) At one time, books sold well
and authors made money, but not anymore. There are too many books (often
bad) and too many people willing to write them for promises and really bad
contracts.  

Susan H. 



Hi Susan

The name would be Excel OnLine. At least that is what it is labelled when
you select Excel from the top-left "squares" menu and the Excel page opens.

By the way, I thought you had devoted yourself to writing books for
children. Nice to see you are back in the game!

/gustav

An editor and I are trying to clarify terms for Office 365 apps. I've been
using Office 2016 and 365 to distinguish between the installed and cloud
apps, but she thinks 365 is the wrong term because 365 is the subscription
name. I agree about the latter, but MS uses the term Office 365 when you
sign into the cloud apps, so I thought readers would understand the
distinction. We do want to be as correct as possible. 

How are you guys referencing these? 

Susan H 

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  1 07:24:51 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 12:24:51 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
In-Reply-To: <000701d18c0d$6dd98350$498c89f0$@gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15840F22BE85C1037D44752ECA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<000701d18c0d$6dd98350$498c89f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF69A4B@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2872072/office-online-vs-office-365-what-s-free-what-s-not-and-what-you-really-need.html
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?01/?04/?2016 12:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

Aha... you are correct -- it does say Online, uppercase... once you open the
app. I hadn't noticed! That is helpful.

My grandmother worked her way through nursing school by selling her poetry
to a local newspaper. :)

Susan H

Hi Susan

I can see it is "Online", not "OnLine", sorry:

1. I click the tile with the nine small squares.
2. The pane folds out with tiles holding the apps' simple names.
3. I click, say, Word.
4. Word opens. Top-left it is labelled: Word Online

Similar for the other applications.

Speak about writing books. My sister writes poetry (yes, no April fool) and
has, in fact, sold more than 100k copies - which in this small country is
quite a lot for this genre - without hardly making a cent. What makes some
money is only the side effects: lectures etc. at cultural events of various
types. So, to live, she works as a freelance accountant(!)

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Susan Harkins
Sendt: 1. april 2016 12:47
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

Gustav, thanks for responding. I don't see the same thing when I sign into
the online/cloud version.  I'm running 2016, and the name in the top left is
Office 365. The individual apps are their simple names -- no Online included
anywhere. That's what the editor wants to use, but with the Web Apps out
there,  I don't want readers to infer that I'm including those.

MS uses the terms "Office suite" and "Office online."
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-enterprise-e3-business
-software -- notice the lower case for suite and online, so these terms
aren't names, but we could go this route, but I don't care for them -- I
think suite is ambiguous and online is a bit too broad.

Gustav, I never stopped writing about Office. I just don't write books about
children or software anymore -- I'd starve. :) At one time, books sold well
and authors made money, but not anymore. There are too many books (often
bad) and too many people willing to write them for promises and really bad
contracts.

Susan H.



Hi Susan

The name would be Excel OnLine. At least that is what it is labelled when
you select Excel from the top-left "squares" menu and the Excel page opens.

By the way, I thought you had devoted yourself to writing books for
children. Nice to see you are back in the game!

/gustav

An editor and I are trying to clarify terms for Office 365 apps. I've been
using Office 2016 and 365 to distinguish between the installed and cloud
apps, but she thinks 365 is the wrong term because 365 is the subscription
name. I agree about the latter, but MS uses the term Office 365 when you
sign into the cloud apps, so I thought readers would understand the
distinction. We do want to be as correct as possible.

How are you guys referencing these?

Susan H

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  1 07:35:34 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 12:35:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 365 question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584321EAD85B5C742F8AA69CA9A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

Our subscription is: Office 365 Enterprise E3

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 1. april 2016 14:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2872072/office-online-vs-office-365-what-s-free-what-s-not-and-what-you-really-need.html
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?01/?04/?2016 12:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 365 question

Aha... you are correct -- it does say Online, uppercase... once you open the app. I hadn't noticed! That is helpful.

My grandmother worked her way through nursing school by selling her poetry to a local newspaper. :)

Susan H 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 10:57:10 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 11:57:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
Message-ID: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there? 

 

Susan H. 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr  3 11:50:44 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:50:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584191727AABCAA80D8EDAACA9C0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

This seems not(!) to be possible at the moment:

https://community.office365.com/en-us/f/154/t/354456

/gustav

Fra: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sendt: 3. april 2016 17:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there?

Susan H.


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 12:05:27 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 13:05:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584191727AABCAA80D8EDAACA9C0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584191727AABCAA80D8EDAACA9C0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d18dcb$05f5d710$11e18530$@gmail.com>

Neither are inline Tabs -- I mean... seriously! Come on Microsoft! ;) Thanks
for the link!

Susan H. 

Hi Susan

This seems not(!) to be possible at the moment:

https://community.office365.com/en-us/f/154/t/354456

/gustav

Fra: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sendt: 3. april 2016 17:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there?

Susan H.

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Apr  4 12:10:19 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:10:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>

Do you mean OneDrive?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 10:57 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there? 

 

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 12:15:29 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:15:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>
	<05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing
we can do about it yet. 

Susan H. 


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there? 

 

Susan H. 



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Apr  4 12:21:45 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:21:45 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>
	<05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>,
	<000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF6C54F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Susan

Went to word online this morning and nothing at all about drop box when saving.

Perhaps not globally rolled put yet?

Martin
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?04/?04/?2016 18:15
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing
we can do about it yet.

Susan H.


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there?



Susan H.


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Apr  4 12:40:26 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:40:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>	<05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>
	<000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05e901d18e99$137f5ef0$3a7e1cd0$@winhaven.net>

If you have an Office 365 account it should save it to your OneDrive by
default. 

I just went and checked because lord knows what these cloud based services
do day to day anymore but I did not have to have ad Dropbox account. It did
present a screen with some offers and info but I just went past that and all
worked as it should. 

Just open a new Word doc and save it as a "test". Then go to your OneDrive
folder and it will be there.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 12:15 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing
we can do about it yet. 

Susan H. 


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there? 

 

Susan H. 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 12:46:02 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:46:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <05e901d18e99$137f5ef0$3a7e1cd0$@winhaven.net>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>	<05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>	<000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>
	<05e901d18e99$137f5ef0$3a7e1cd0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <004401d18e99$db68e440$923aacc0$@gmail.com>

With my sub, I have a free Dropdown account -- I think this is specific to
my enterprise sub.

Susan H. 


If you have an Office 365 account it should save it to your OneDrive by
default. 

I just went and checked because lord knows what these cloud based services
do day to day anymore but I did not have to have ad Dropbox account. It did
present a screen with some offers and info but I just went past that and all
worked as it should. 

Just open a new Word doc and save it as a "test". Then go to your OneDrive
folder and it will be there.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 12:15 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing
we can do about it yet. 

Susan H. 


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there? 

 

Susan H. 


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Apr  4 13:00:29 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:00:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <004401d18e99$db68e440$923aacc0$@gmail.com>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>	<05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>	<000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>	<05e901d18e99$137f5ef0$3a7e1cd0$@winhaven.net>
	<004401d18e99$db68e440$923aacc0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05f001d18e9b$e0421fc0$a0c65f40$@winhaven.net>

I have a Dropbox account too. 

At one time there was some integration (I think it was an app) between
OneDrive and Dropbox so maybe your parent company has that going? In any
case, it really doesn't matter where its saved, as long as you know how to
find it, correct? The functionality of the apps would be the same.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 12:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

With my sub, I have a free Dropdown account -- I think this is specific to
my enterprise sub.

Susan H. 


If you have an Office 365 account it should save it to your OneDrive by
default. 

I just went and checked because lord knows what these cloud based services
do day to day anymore but I did not have to have ad Dropbox account. It did
present a screen with some offers and info but I just went past that and all
worked as it should. 

Just open a new Word doc and save it as a "test". Then go to your OneDrive
folder and it will be there.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 12:15 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing
we can do about it yet. 

Susan H. 


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there? 

 

Susan H. 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 13:05:03 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:05:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <05f001d18e9b$e0421fc0$a0c65f40$@winhaven.net>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>	<05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>	<000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>	<05e901d18e99$137f5ef0$3a7e1cd0$@winhaven.net>	<004401d18e99$db68e440$923aacc0$@gmail.com>
	<05f001d18e9b$e0421fc0$a0c65f40$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000b01d18e9c$83dce7f0$8b96b7d0$@gmail.com>

I found a discussion in one of the Microsoft communities about it and right
now, it can't be disabled. Why some of us see it and others don't, I
couldn't determine. I'm guessing it's a setting in my enterprise 365 sub. 

It kind of does matter to me. I like using OneDrive for cloud storage. I
won't be creating Word documents online though, so it's not going to be much
of an irritant. 

Susan H. 


I have a Dropbox account too. 

At one time there was some integration (I think it was an app) between
OneDrive and Dropbox so maybe your parent company has that going? In any
case, it really doesn't matter where its saved, as long as you know how to
find it, correct? The functionality of the apps would be the same.



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 12:44:59 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:44:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF6C54F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <001b01d18dc1$7b5c8300$72158900$@gmail.com>	<05df01d18e94$de5261e0$9af725a0$@winhaven.net>,
	<000001d18e95$971ee270$c55ca750$@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF6C54F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <004301d18e99$b6260320$22720960$@gmail.com>

I think it's part of my 365 subscription. It comes with a lot of bells and
whistles I don't want nor plan to use -- this is one of them. 

Susan H. 


Susan

Went to word online this morning and nothing at all about drop box when
saving.

Perhaps not globally rolled put yet?

Martin
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?04/?04/?2016 18:15
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing
we can do about it yet.

Susan H.


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign
into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I
can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new
documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint
site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file
there?



Susan H.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  4 17:43:14 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:43:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Could have used this before...
In-Reply-To: <1264930501.16787418.1459443308994.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1437621025.20221700.1459809794777.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

What's night shift?

http://bit.ly/1qlvlyQ

I know this app is on Apple and now it is on Linux...it might even be on Windows. I think this program is a definite must when putting in long hows in front of the computer screens. 

Aside: Of course with Bash now running on Windows10 and the bass-acward "\" problem being eliminated can it be long before Linux applications are easily running on Microsoft. For all of us who have been waiting for MS to catch-up to the new age in computers, it is all very refreshing as we can sit back and watch Windows application moving ever closer to the Linux world and desktop. (It should be noted that Conical (Ubuntu) was the company that ported Bash and the real terminal interface to Windows.)  

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  5 00:40:11 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 23:40:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1459416596.231582855@f383.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1102476561.20481243.1459834811680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Shamil:

I saw the video and it looked interesting...and finally had a chance to play with it. 

As far as I can see it is just an emulator and not full featured yet. The other thing worthy of noting that there is only one Bash shell allowed per session. On real Linux you could open a dozen or more shells and run processes on each and only if you actually locked a file would another shell no have complete access. You can also use one shell to release another if process became locked.

I am not really sure what the advantage to having a Bash shell on a Windows box is, as any real system commands are currently blocked and I am not sure whether they will be supported in the final version. The real properties of Linux are that a person can run many environment with many separate users and each user/process is completely isolated. All Linux computers are basically full servers.

Running a Bash shell on a single user Windows box is nice and fun but the question is why? As soon as multiple simultaneous processes are spawned or more accurately attempted to be spawned...like a fork for example...it of course bails. Then the are virtual file systems, direct calls to hardware like checking the condition of wireless "iwconfig"...even ifconfig is limited. Try to set or add additional ip addresses and well... Then try running virtual processes across the network... I have not tried this yet, because I am sure I know what the result would be; if I downloaded a tar-ball, expanded it and attempted to recompile the source with all it dependencies would it unceremonious crash?

Linux is a multi-user, multi-processing system with multiple levels of isolation and background and parallel processing capabilities. I can not imagine how that could be shoe-horned into a rather simplistic single user Windows 10 OS, that I have previously been able to crash with impunity. 

I think the effort is great but at the end why would anyone bother? OTOH, dropping Windows 10 into a Linux box is a great idea. A remote user could call in pick their session, any of a dozen GUIS, and in some cases this could be Windows 10, and a host of other users could remote in and do the same...of course this would break the Windows licensing agreement, with say a half dozen instances running simultaneously on the same computer. Just like you can have five copies of MS Access running on your computer...through five different logins...or if you used a bare bone VFS, like KVM, hundreds of copies could be spawned. (I have heard this can be done I have not done this myself...) 

In conclusion, its real nice but why? Maybe it is so that Windows users can get up to speed on Linux basics?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 2:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10

 Peter --

I have no information will ?"win10's Bash know how to hide the infamous Microsoft folder backslash".

Here is a "Linux Command Line on Windows" ( https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/C906 ?) video discussion from Build 2016 providing more info/demos on subject topic.

-- Shamil

>Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:54 AM +03:00 from Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>:
>
>On 3/30/2016 13:05, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>   Hi Gustav --
>>
>> No, it's just a useful new MS Windows 10 feature for developers, system integrators etc., they (MS) say they might bring other shells to MS Windows 10 similar way but this first one is the most important I suppose...
>>
>> Watch live  (  http://tinyurl.com/hftus4z ) - here are a few short notes I have made but I have missed the most part of it:
>>
>> 1. Windows Ink
>> 2. Bash comes to Windows (native Ubuntu executables)
>> 3. Convert Win32/.NET apps to the Windows Universal Platform (UWP)
>> 4. Development for UWP, iOS, Android in VS2015
>> 5. Holographic computing - Microsoft Hololens - Hololens Dev Kit - Galaxy Explorer - developed in 6 weeks, code is open sourced on Git ( https://github.com/Microsoft/GalaxyExplorer )
>> 6. DirectX 12
>> 7. Skype Bot SDK - -  https://dev.botframework.com
>> 8. Cortana Intelligence Suite
>
>Will win10's Bash know how to hide the infamous Microsoft folder backslash?
>
>PB
>
>-----
>
>> ...
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>>
>>> Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:36 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>>
>>> Hi Shamil
>>>
>>> What?s next? Linux 10?
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>
>>> Fra: Salakhetdinov Shamil<mailto:  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>> Sendt: 30. marts 2016 19:14
>>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>> Emne: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10
>>>
>>> Hi All --
>>>
>>> FYI:  "Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10"
>>>
>>>  http://tinyurl.com/h6ufgj6
>>>
>>> "The native availability of a full Ubuntu environment on Windows, without virtualization or emulation, is a milestone that defies convention and a gateway to fascinatingly unfamiliar territory..."
>>>
>>> --
>>> ???????????? ??????
>>>
>

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Apr  5 01:35:50 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 06:35:50 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1102476561.20481243.1459834811680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1459416596.231582855@f383.i.mail.ru>,
	<1102476561.20481243.1459834811680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AF6C91C@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Why? Azure
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?05/?04/?2016 06:40
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10

Shamil:

I saw the video and it looked interesting...and finally had a chance to play with it.

As far as I can see it is just an emulator and not full featured yet. The other thing worthy of noting that there is only one Bash shell allowed per session. On real Linux you could open a dozen or more shells and run processes on each and only if you actually locked a file would another shell no have complete access. You can also use one shell to release another if process became locked.

I am not really sure what the advantage to having a Bash shell on a Windows box is, as any real system commands are currently blocked and I am not sure whether they will be supported in the final version. The real properties of Linux are that a person can run many environment with many separate users and each user/process is completely isolated. All Linux computers are basically full servers.

Running a Bash shell on a single user Windows box is nice and fun but the question is why? As soon as multiple simultaneous processes are spawned or more accurately attempted to be spawned...like a fork for example...it of course bails. Then the are virtual file systems, direct calls to hardware like checking the condition of wireless "iwconfig"...even ifconfig is limited. Try to set or add additional ip addresses and well... Then try running virtual processes across the network... I have not tried this yet, because I am sure I know what the result would be; if I downloaded a tar-ball, expanded it and attempted to recompile the source with all it dependencies would it unceremonious crash?

Linux is a multi-user, multi-processing system with multiple levels of isolation and background and parallel processing capabilities. I can not imagine how that could be shoe-horned into a rather simplistic single user Windows 10 OS, that I have previously been able to crash with impunity.

I think the effort is great but at the end why would anyone bother? OTOH, dropping Windows 10 into a Linux box is a great idea. A remote user could call in pick their session, any of a dozen GUIS, and in some cases this could be Windows 10, and a host of other users could remote in and do the same...of course this would break the Windows licensing agreement, with say a half dozen instances running simultaneously on the same computer. Just like you can have five copies of MS Access running on your computer...through five different logins...or if you used a bare bone VFS, like KVM, hundreds of copies could be spawned. (I have heard this can be done I have not done this myself...)

In conclusion, its real nice but why? Maybe it is so that Windows users can get up to speed on Linux basics?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 2:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10

 Peter --

I have no information will  "win10's Bash know how to hide the infamous Microsoft folder backslash".

Here is a "Linux Command Line on Windows" ( https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/C906  ) video discussion from Build 2016 providing more info/demos on subject topic.

-- Shamil

>Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:54 AM +03:00 from Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>:
>
>On 3/30/2016 13:05, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>   Hi Gustav --
>>
>> No, it's just a useful new MS Windows 10 feature for developers, system integrators etc., they (MS) say they might bring other shells to MS Windows 10 similar way but this first one is the most important I suppose...
>>
>> Watch live  (  http://tinyurl.com/hftus4z ) - here are a few short notes I have made but I have missed the most part of it:
>>
>> 1. Windows Ink
>> 2. Bash comes to Windows (native Ubuntu executables)
>> 3. Convert Win32/.NET apps to the Windows Universal Platform (UWP)
>> 4. Development for UWP, iOS, Android in VS2015
>> 5. Holographic computing - Microsoft Hololens - Hololens Dev Kit - Galaxy Explorer - developed in 6 weeks, code is open sourced on Git ( https://github.com/Microsoft/GalaxyExplorer )
>> 6. DirectX 12
>> 7. Skype Bot SDK - -  https://dev.botframework.com
>> 8. Cortana Intelligence Suite
>
>Will win10's Bash know how to hide the infamous Microsoft folder backslash?
>
>PB
>
>-----
>
>> ...
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>>
>>> Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:36 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>>
>>> Hi Shamil
>>>
>>> What?s next? Linux 10?
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>
>>> Fra: Salakhetdinov Shamil<mailto:  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>> Sendt: 30. marts 2016 19:14
>>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>> Emne: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10
>>>
>>> Hi All --
>>>
>>> FYI:  "Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10"
>>>
>>>  http://tinyurl.com/h6ufgj6
>>>
>>> "The native availability of a full Ubuntu environment on Windows, without virtualization or emulation, is a milestone that defies convention and a gateway to fascinatingly unfamiliar territory..."
>>>
>>> --
>>> ???????????? ??????
>>>
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  5 02:40:08 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:40:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15849048B32C30E53E45CD47CA9E0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Martin

At some point, when opening Word Online, a popup asked if I would have my DropBox account attached. I have none, so I just closed the popup and haven't seen it since.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 4. april 2016 19:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Susan

Went to word online this morning and nothing at all about drop box when saving.

Perhaps not globally rolled put yet?

Martin
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?04/?04/?2016 18:15
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing we can do about it yet.

Susan H.


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file there?

Susan H.


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Apr  5 06:46:17 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:46:17 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_is_bringing_the_Bash_shell_to_Wind?=
 =?utf-8?q?ows_10?=
In-Reply-To: <1102476561.20481243.1459834811680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1459416596.231582855@f383.i.mail.ru>
	<1102476561.20481243.1459834811680.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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 Hi Jim --

Thank you for your detailed comment. Let's wait to see what the Bash Shell will be in this summer Win10 upgrade.
I suppose it should be a default feature to run as many Bash Shells instances as needed as you can currently run many win cmd shells...

Multi-processing, background and parallel processing, isolation layers - all that processing modes are available in Win10.

--- Shamil

>Tuesday, April  5, 2016 8:40 AM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Shamil:
>
>I saw the video and it looked interesting...and finally had a chance to play with it. 
>
>As far as I can see it is just an emulator and not full featured yet. The other thing worthy of noting that there is only one Bash shell allowed per session. On real Linux you could open a dozen or more shells and run processes on each and only if you actually locked a file would another shell no have complete access. You can also use one shell to release another if process became locked.
>
>I am not really sure what the advantage to having a Bash shell on a Windows box is, as any real system commands are currently blocked and I am not sure whether they will be supported in the final version. The real properties of Linux are that a person can run many environment with many separate users and each user/process is completely isolated. All Linux computers are basically full servers.
>
>Running a Bash shell on a single user Windows box is nice and fun but the question is why? As soon as multiple simultaneous processes are spawned or more accurately attempted to be spawned...like a fork for example...it of course bails. Then the are virtual file systems, direct calls to hardware like checking the condition of wireless "iwconfig"...even ifconfig is limited. Try to set or add additional ip addresses and well... Then try running virtual processes across the network... I have not tried this yet, because I am sure I know what the result would be; if I downloaded a tar-ball, expanded it and attempted to recompile the source with all it dependencies would it unceremonious crash?
>
>Linux is a multi-user, multi-processing system with multiple levels of isolation and background and parallel processing capabilities. I can not imagine how that could be shoe-horned into a rather simplistic single user Windows 10 OS, that I have previously been able to crash with impunity. 
>
>I think the effort is great but at the end why would anyone bother? OTOH, dropping Windows 10 into a Linux box is a great idea. A remote user could call in pick their session, any of a dozen GUIS, and in some cases this could be Windows 10, and a host of other users could remote in and do the same...of course this would break the Windows licensing agreement, with say a half dozen instances running simultaneously on the same computer. Just like you can have five copies of MS Access running on your computer...through five different logins...or if you used a bare bone VFS, like KVM, hundreds of copies could be spawned. (I have heard this can be done I have not done this myself...) 
>
>In conclusion, its real nice but why? Maybe it is so that Windows users can get up to speed on Linux basics?
>
>Jim 
<<< skipped >>>
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 07:18:26 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:18:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Online question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15849048B32C30E53E45CD47CA9E0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15849048B32C30E53E45CD47CA9E0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Figured it out -- I'm quite the idiot. :( 

I blame it on the meds and bronchitis, but the research showed others were unable to get rid of it too -- but... it's a simple choice that I just didn't see. Glad I'm not the only one apparently (not you guys but the MS Community guys). 

Susan H. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 3:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Hi Martin

At some point, when opening Word Online, a popup asked if I would have my DropBox account attached. I have none, so I just closed the popup and haven't seen it since.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 4. april 2016 19:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Susan

Went to word online this morning and nothing at all about drop box when saving.

Perhaps not globally rolled put yet?

Martin
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?04/?04/?2016 18:15
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Word Online question

Nope. Dropbox. After a bit of research, this seems to be forced -- nothing we can do about it yet.

Susan H.


Do you mean OneDrive?

When I try to open a blank Word document in Word Online I am forced to sign into Dropbox - I don't currently have an account and don't want one - but I can't figure a way around this. So, I guess if you want to create new documents in Word Online, you must sync with Dropbox? I have a SharePoint site setup with my 365 subscription. Why can't I just save the new file there?

Susan H.

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Apr  5 23:38:31 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:38:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
Message-ID: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>

What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend that
has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?


From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 06:18:41 2016
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 07:18:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUCmgB5JTVWwf67Wd7wSeWAHo3cToHycX8K7OcfvTVgWg@mail.gmail.com>

Well if you're willing to spend the bucks the Netgear Nighthawk should do
very well



*http://tinyurl.com/zqqpgv7 <http://tinyurl.com/zqqpgv7>*

*Depends on distance and how many folks are going to jump on it.*

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:38 AM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
> that
> has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
> phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Apr  6 06:21:22 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 07:21:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <5704F132.9070708@torchlake.com>

I'm liking my ASUS 9 Gig router.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/06/16 12:38 AM, John R Bartow wrote:
> What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend that
> has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
> phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 09:40:23 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:40:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>

I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
max it out.  I've never tried it.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend that
> has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
> phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 10:07:46 2016
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:07:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Actually what we have is a router/modem through Verizon, an Actiontech.
Run 2 laptops, 2 Droid phones and Amazon Prime along with Hulu Plus.  We
have 75/75 up/down, no problems.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
> fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
> connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
> of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
> TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
> units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
> between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
> boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
> printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
> Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
> used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
> thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
> bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
> have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
> max it out.  I've never tried it.
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> wrote:
> > What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
> that
> > has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
> > phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> > bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com  Wed Apr  6 10:19:11 2016
From: Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com (Zimmer, Michael)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:19:11 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] network shortcut issue
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C7224CF6B899@sfldmiex022>

We had a weird problem crop up at work:  We have several PCs running Win 7 that have shortcuts on their desktop to Excel files that are stored on a network drive.  However......this morning, all of those shortcuts were now local copies of the network files!   Somehow the shortcuts "disappeared" and a copy of the actual Excel or Access DB was sitting on the desktop in their place.

The PCs are connected to the network via Ethernet and we've had no outages or network hic ups that we know of lately.

If it were only one or two shortcuts becoming local files, I'd suspect user error.  However more than 20 on each PC (and each PC being in a different office) tells me that something else happened.


Mike




From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 10:48:05 2016
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:48:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpVCzdzRryO74iDRL8gyj5UhVZg58L0=sEs_F6hbPaOE7w@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah, I forgot, actually 4 phones as I didn't realize until we got the
new phones that you can practically do anything with the old phones on WiFi
except make phone calls.  Have a desktop attached too.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually what we have is a router/modem through Verizon, an Actiontech.
> Run 2 laptops, 2 Droid phones and Amazon Prime along with Hulu Plus.  We
> have 75/75 up/down, no problems.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
>> fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
>> connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
>> of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
>> TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
>> units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
>> between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
>> boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
>> printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
>> Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
>> used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
>> thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
>> bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
>> have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
>> max it out.  I've never tried it.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
>> wrote:
>> > What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
>> that
>> > has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets
>> and
>> > phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
>> > bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > dba-Tech mailing list
>> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 13:02:37 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:02:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] network shortcut issue
In-Reply-To: <6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C7224CF6B899@sfldmiex022>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C7224CF6B899@sfldmiex022>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJt6k7pFe_xzQOXpAToxKbcgNdNi3omhRXftj=OaULicw@mail.gmail.com>

I think I would be doing a deep virus and malware scan on all those
machines asap.

Do they have automatic updates turned on?

GK

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Zimmer, Michael
<Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com> wrote:
> We had a weird problem crop up at work:  We have several PCs running Win 7 that have shortcuts on their desktop to Excel files that are stored on a network drive.  However......this morning, all of those shortcuts were now local copies of the network files!   Somehow the shortcuts "disappeared" and a copy of the actual Excel or Access DB was sitting on the desktop in their place.
>
> The PCs are connected to the network via Ethernet and we've had no outages or network hic ups that we know of lately.
>
> If it were only one or two shortcuts becoming local files, I'd suspect user error.  However more than 20 on each PC (and each PC being in a different office) tells me that something else happened.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 14:38:42 2016
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 19:38:42 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmZ43Tx8b5nTm73=oudu7=+Fe3hMqS2ypjQ+a2Soh=OvEg@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe the TP-Link Archer C7  the Archer is inexpensive and has great
wireless coverage.

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-router/


On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 9:39 PM John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
> that
> has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
> phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>
>
>

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 14:43:02 2016
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 19:43:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmaR=TPB3T=D57yCAQQJBV-7tWX2KEuEiCrfZ6_gyOs9xg@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,  Note.  when you use the carriers provided wireless router/modem
combo, they enable this router to provide a free wifi hotspot to those
Xfinity customers in your area.  That means they can pull up the Xfinity
app search for your wifi, pull up to your curb and just latch on without
needing your wifi password, the router creates a wireless guest network for
any Xfinity user to just latch on anytime they want.  you don't get to
control or opt out.

the best way to opt out is to buy a regular Modem, then buy a Wireless
router of your own.  then you get to control who uses your guest network
(if you want).

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
> fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
> connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
> of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
> TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
> units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
> between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
> boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
> printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
> Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
> used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
> thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
> bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
> have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
> max it out.  I've never tried it.
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> wrote:
> > What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
> that
> > has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
> > phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> > bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
> >
> > ____
>

From Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com  Wed Apr  6 14:48:44 2016
From: Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com (Zimmer, Michael)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:48:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] network shortcut issue
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJt6k7pFe_xzQOXpAToxKbcgNdNi3omhRXftj=OaULicw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C7224CF6B899@sfldmiex022>
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Well, our updates are all handled through Symantec, and pushed out by our corporate IS team.  The scans for malware or virus came up with nothing.  I'm at a loss to explain what happened.  (Other than human intervention, which seems unlikely.)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] network shortcut issue

I think I would be doing a deep virus and malware scan on all those machines asap.

Do they have automatic updates turned on?

GK

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Zimmer, Michael <Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com> wrote:
> We had a weird problem crop up at work:  We have several PCs running Win 7 that have shortcuts on their desktop to Excel files that are stored on a network drive.  However......this morning, all of those shortcuts were now local copies of the network files!   Somehow the shortcuts "disappeared" and a copy of the actual Excel or Access DB was sitting on the desktop in their place.
>
> The PCs are connected to the network via Ethernet and we've had no outages or network hic ups that we know of lately.
>
> If it were only one or two shortcuts becoming local files, I'd suspect user error.  However more than 20 on each PC (and each PC being in a different office) tells me that something else happened.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Apr  6 15:07:00 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:07:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] network shortcut issue
In-Reply-To: <6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C7224CF6B899@sfldmiex022>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAEkqQpUsc1EG-5FytvXcvMHJTvhOx-uAzcNMAQ4aMUcumOG1-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C7224CF6B899@sfldmiex022>
Message-ID: <00f301d1903f$e9c7cd60$bd576820$@winhaven.net>

This post is similar in that it involves connecting via a network share.
What I'm thinking is that it may be a utility accessing those shortcuts via
network file sharing that causes this. Could well be your security scanner
or file synchronization software?
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-files/shortcut-t
arget-change-to-network-addresses/4c5375ae-c0c7-49f2-ab6a-58a2b617dfb7?auth=
1

But this is so strange that I would call Microsoft support. And I rarely
call MS support.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Zimmer, Michael
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] network shortcut issue

We had a weird problem crop up at work:  We have several PCs running Win 7
that have shortcuts on their desktop to Excel files that are stored on a
network drive.  However......this morning, all of those shortcuts were now
local copies of the network files!   Somehow the shortcuts "disappeared" and
a copy of the actual Excel or Access DB was sitting on the desktop in their
place.

The PCs are connected to the network via Ethernet and we've had no outages
or network hic ups that we know of lately.

If it were only one or two shortcuts becoming local files, I'd suspect user
error.  However more than 20 on each PC (and each PC being in a different
office) tells me that something else happened.


Mike



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  6 16:14:26 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:14:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1459856777.519557480@f221.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1007026937.22211348.1459977266263.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

I have not tried to login multiple times to a Windows 10 computer but I current believe it is just not possible...if I am wrong please correct me. When I was mentioning "Multi-processing, background and parallel processing, isolation layers" I was describing this within a multi-user environment and all the different desktop sessions and extended networks that implies.

What confuses me is why Microsoft would make such an effort to install a Bash shell module within a desktop.(?) They have a very good power-user shell (but I honestly have not worked with it for last five years). Most young developers, system adms and system ops people, that I am aware of, open up their stations (funny enough mostly Apple...), drop to the command prompt and ssh into Linux servers and start their day of work.

The questions I have is what is MS intending?  

Are they trying to setup a simple launching space for their Cloud based Azure? (Which is really Ubuntu)...that does not seem likely as the Bash shell is really light-weight...a lot of the system features are, as described, missing. Maybe more features later?  

Will this Bash shell be enough to tempt systems people into using it? Typically, developers make multiple shells when working. Does Windows 10 have the capability? Can the Windows 10 OS handle multi-processed and potentially multi-users, needed?

Is Microsoft trying to replace its own Power shell? As more and more features and servers move to the web; maybe it is an attempt to train Microsoft developers and start them easy...those who are not familiar with Linux how to work in the new environment?

Maybe Microsoft is planning to replace its own command layer with the more common Bash shell?

Maybe the Bash shell is nothing more than a training tool?

These are some of the questions I just can not answer. The Bash shell has been well publicized but is it going to be useful in the long run? Considering, that virtually any computer can install a full server version of Linux, go headless or add any distro desired and virtualize dozens of copies, limited only by the RAM and hard drive space, of, for example Windows 10, support many users and have direct access to any network or Cloud based data farm...and this can all be, initially, accomplished with a 30+GB OS.

Maybe I am missing the whole picture? Maybe I can not see Windows 10, as any more than a very pretty single user desktop, designed for running office apps and handling emails?

Aside: I contacted Microsoft to get a fully operational pre-release copy of this Bash shell (There are some hacked versions...I suspect someone in Canonical released it, but the version is not fully functional and I have only tried to run on Linux). The reps initially said they had no idea what I was talking about and finally stated that they have been told to say nothing until the official release sometime in the summer.

Jim
     
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 4:46:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is bringing the Bash shell to Windows 10

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for your detailed comment. Let's wait to see what the Bash Shell will be in this summer Win10 upgrade.
I suppose it should be a default feature to run as many Bash Shells instances as needed as you can currently run many win cmd shells...

Multi-processing, background and parallel processing, isolation layers - all that processing modes are available in Win10.

--- Shamil

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  6 16:43:40 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:43:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15849048B32C30E53E45CD47CA9E0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1317963855.22235281.1459979020400.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

I have a question.

I was asked to move data to an archive from a Windows 2003 server, that was about to be decommissioned. It seemed like it should be a very simple task but then I starting running into files and directories, that wouldn't be moved or deleted. (Names too long, directories too deep or just locked in some fashion.) 

I finally booted the server from a USB drive and used a Live Ubuntu server to manage everything on the old drives. 

The question is: Is there a simple Windows solution to these issues? If the client ever wants to manage these files and directories, in the future, they might find themselves really stuck and I would like to leave them some tools they can use. (They are totally freaked with the thought of a Linux option so that is not a choice.)

TIA

Jim

From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 19:23:36 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:23:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmaR=TPB3T=D57yCAQQJBV-7tWX2KEuEiCrfZ6_gyOs9xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaR=TPB3T=D57yCAQQJBV-7tWX2KEuEiCrfZ6_gyOs9xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKeMGdGKBb2F1_cZqD-EDkVtSfXkTy44Rb+Tse7DOrHLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Francisco,

I am aware of the ability of other Comcast customers to use my
network.  I could shut that off if I so chose.   Comcast doesn't hide
this. They provide instructions on how to turn it off if I chose to do
so.

http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot

<http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot.

I have 177Mbps down and 12 Mbps up at 7:22 in the evening which SHOULD
BE prime time download time for the streaming users.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM,  <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gary,  Note.  when you use the carriers provided wireless router/modem
> combo, they enable this router to provide a free wifi hotspot to those
> Xfinity customers in your area.  That means they can pull up the Xfinity
> app search for your wifi, pull up to your curb and just latch on without
> needing your wifi password, the router creates a wireless guest network for
> any Xfinity user to just latch on anytime they want.  you don't get to
> control or opt out.
>
> the best way to opt out is to buy a regular Modem, then buy a Wireless
> router of your own.  then you get to control who uses your guest network
> (if you want).
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
>> fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
>> connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
>> of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
>> TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
>> units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
>> between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
>> boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
>> printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
>> Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
>> used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
>> thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
>> bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
>> have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
>> max it out.  I've never tried it.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
>> wrote:
>> > What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
>> that
>> > has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
>> > phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
>> > bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>> >
>> > ____
>>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 19:28:09 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:28:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKeMGdGKBb2F1_cZqD-EDkVtSfXkTy44Rb+Tse7DOrHLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaR=TPB3T=D57yCAQQJBV-7tWX2KEuEiCrfZ6_gyOs9xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKeMGdGKBb2F1_cZqD-EDkVtSfXkTy44Rb+Tse7DOrHLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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And really in my residential suburban network there isn't anyone to
use my signal. All my neighbors are hundreds of yards from my home.
The shared with other Comcast network is COMPLETELY Separate from MY
network and or my bandwidth supposedly too. The argument to replace a
rented device is valid though.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Francisco,
>
> I am aware of the ability of other Comcast customers to use my
> network.  I could shut that off if I so chose.   Comcast doesn't hide
> this. They provide instructions on how to turn it off if I chose to do
> so.
>
> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
>
> <http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot.
>
> I have 177Mbps down and 12 Mbps up at 7:22 in the evening which SHOULD
> BE prime time download time for the streaming users.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM,  <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gary,  Note.  when you use the carriers provided wireless router/modem
>> combo, they enable this router to provide a free wifi hotspot to those
>> Xfinity customers in your area.  That means they can pull up the Xfinity
>> app search for your wifi, pull up to your curb and just latch on without
>> needing your wifi password, the router creates a wireless guest network for
>> any Xfinity user to just latch on anytime they want.  you don't get to
>> control or opt out.
>>
>> the best way to opt out is to buy a regular Modem, then buy a Wireless
>> router of your own.  then you get to control who uses your guest network
>> (if you want).
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
>>> fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
>>> connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
>>> of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
>>> TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
>>> units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
>>> between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
>>> boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
>>> printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
>>> Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
>>> used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
>>> thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
>>> bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
>>> have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
>>> max it out.  I've never tried it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
>>> that
>>> > has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
>>> > phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
>>> > bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>>> >
>>> > ____
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Apr  6 23:07:29 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 23:07:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <5704F132.9070708@torchlake.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<5704F132.9070708@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <017801d19083$00bdf6a0$0239e3e0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Tina,
Which model do you have?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:21 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless routers

I'm liking my ASUS 9 Gig router.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/06/16 12:38 AM, John R Bartow wrote:
> What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a 
> friend that has teenagers over all the time playing video games and 
> using tablets and phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. 
> That's a lot of bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  7 01:49:02 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 06:49:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15848849B9FA396D483B42D6CA900@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

If you share a "deep" folder, you can easily create paths that are too long to be accessed from the root level.
So just attach to the server as users would do.

Another option is to use P2V to create a vhd(x) image of the server drive. This you can mount as a drive letter, and then you are absolutely sure to have "everything" at hand and can deal with issues later.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 6. april 2016 23:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi All:

I have a question.

I was asked to move data to an archive from a Windows 2003 server, that was about to be decommissioned. It seemed like it should be a very simple task but then I starting running into files and directories, that wouldn't be moved or deleted. (Names too long, directories too deep or just locked in some fashion.) 

I finally booted the server from a USB drive and used a Live Ubuntu server to manage everything on the old drives. 

The question is: Is there a simple Windows solution to these issues? If the client ever wants to manage these files and directories, in the future, they might find themselves really stuck and I would like to leave them some tools they can use. (They are totally freaked with the thought of a Linux option so that is not a choice.)

TIA

Jim 


From eptept at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 05:40:37 2016
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 06:40:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKeMGdGKBb2F1_cZqD-EDkVtSfXkTy44Rb+Tse7DOrHLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaR=TPB3T=D57yCAQQJBV-7tWX2KEuEiCrfZ6_gyOs9xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKeMGdGKBb2F1_cZqD-EDkVtSfXkTy44Rb+Tse7DOrHLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpW=VRb567Ye8BwxrPLhRRunVG_u1KGiSoqR=+ZbOdM+PA@mail.gmail.com>

Couldn't Gary get around this by MAC addressing?

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Francisco,
>
> I am aware of the ability of other Comcast customers to use my
> network.  I could shut that off if I so chose.   Comcast doesn't hide
> this. They provide instructions on how to turn it off if I chose to do
> so.
>
>
> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
>
> <
> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
> .
>
> I have 177Mbps down and 12 Mbps up at 7:22 in the evening which SHOULD
> BE prime time download time for the streaming users.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM,  <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gary,  Note.  when you use the carriers provided wireless router/modem
> > combo, they enable this router to provide a free wifi hotspot to those
> > Xfinity customers in your area.  That means they can pull up the Xfinity
> > app search for your wifi, pull up to your curb and just latch on without
> > needing your wifi password, the router creates a wireless guest network
> for
> > any Xfinity user to just latch on anytime they want.  you don't get to
> > control or opt out.
> >
> > the best way to opt out is to buy a regular Modem, then buy a Wireless
> > router of your own.  then you get to control who uses your guest network
> > (if you want).
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
> >> fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
> >> connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
> >> of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
> >> TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
> >> units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
> >> between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
> >> boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
> >> printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
> >> Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
> >> used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
> >> thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
> >> bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
> >> have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
> >> max it out.  I've never tried it.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> > What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a
> friend
> >> that
> >> > has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets
> and
> >> > phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> >> > bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
> >> >
> >> > ____
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr  7 08:37:55 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:37:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
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RT-N66R Dual-band wireless N900 Gigabit router
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/07/16 12:07 AM, John R Bartow wrote:
> Hi Tina,
> Which model do you have?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:21 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
>
> I'm liking my ASUS 9 Gig router.
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 04/06/16 12:38 AM, John R Bartow wrote:
>> What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a
>> friend that has teenagers over all the time playing video games and
>> using tablets and phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard.
>> That's a lot of bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>>
>>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 09:39:18 2016
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 14:39:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
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no you can't because it's controlled by Comcast.  It's good news that they
allow you to disable the hotspot these days, but from what I've read on
forums is that via repeat updates/upgrades of the modem/router firmware,
the hotspot feature is re-enabled.

the hotspot creates a 2nd network, so users connecting won't connect to
home devices, but they do get to use your bandwidth.  having 177/12 speeds
at one speedtest at 7:22 doesn't prove anything, since cable speeds are
shared, it all depends on your neighbors.  if you have heavy
netflix/hulu/appletv users its possible you will see slower speeds.
when/how? depends on your neighbors.

Gary, it sounds like your neighborhood is optimized for your usage.

firmware is always managed by the provider... I've owned modem that yielded
top speeds at time of purchase and years later via  a firmware the speeds
slowed down.  we're at the mercy of the provider and the firmware they
support.


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:41 AM Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:

> Couldn't Gary get around this by MAC addressing?
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Francisco,
> >
> > I am aware of the ability of other Comcast customers to use my
> > network.  I could shut that off if I so chose.   Comcast doesn't hide
> > this. They provide instructions on how to turn it off if I chose to do
> > so.
> >
> >
> >
> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
> >
> > <
> >
> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
> > .
> >
> > I have 177Mbps down and 12 Mbps up at 7:22 in the evening which SHOULD
> > BE prime time download time for the streaming users.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM,  <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Gary,  Note.  when you use the carriers provided wireless router/modem
> > > combo, they enable this router to provide a free wifi hotspot to those
> > > Xfinity customers in your area.  That means they can pull up the
> Xfinity
> > > app search for your wifi, pull up to your curb and just latch on
> without
> > > needing your wifi password, the router creates a wireless guest network
> > for
> > > any Xfinity user to just latch on anytime they want.  you don't get to
> > > control or opt out.
> > >
> > > the best way to opt out is to buy a regular Modem, then buy a Wireless
> > > router of your own.  then you get to control who uses your guest
> network
> > > (if you want).
> > >
>
>

From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 09:49:27 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:49:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
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References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pL2E27+jcC+HDXpOeQySyo8kK=4o90ySfJA_Jv3NMZOpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaR=TPB3T=D57yCAQQJBV-7tWX2KEuEiCrfZ6_gyOs9xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKeMGdGKBb2F1_cZqD-EDkVtSfXkTy44Rb+Tse7DOrHLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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MAC address white listing will keep outsiders from my local network as
will the password I have assigned and the secret name of the network
(SID ?).  But the Comcast feature Francisco spoke of is essentially a
second network that is open to "the public", meaning other Comcast
networking customers. So if I am visiting at my friends house and we
are both Comcast customers I could get to internet through his router
without entering his details or being able to see his machines.   It
is turned on by default but you can turn it off.   I have used my
neighbors unsecured networks before when my router or modem was down
temporarily. So I would guess that other people could connect via our
Gateway as well.  BUT so far I've left it untouched and so active.

GK

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
> Couldn't Gary get around this by MAC addressing?
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Francisco,
>>
>> I am aware of the ability of other Comcast customers to use my
>> network.  I could shut that off if I so chose.   Comcast doesn't hide
>> this. They provide instructions on how to turn it off if I chose to do
>> so.
>>
>>
>> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
>>
>> <
>> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
>> .
>>
>> I have 177Mbps down and 12 Mbps up at 7:22 in the evening which SHOULD
>> BE prime time download time for the streaming users.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM,  <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Gary,  Note.  when you use the carriers provided wireless router/modem
>> > combo, they enable this router to provide a free wifi hotspot to those
>> > Xfinity customers in your area.  That means they can pull up the Xfinity
>> > app search for your wifi, pull up to your curb and just latch on without
>> > needing your wifi password, the router creates a wireless guest network
>> for
>> > any Xfinity user to just latch on anytime they want.  you don't get to
>> > control or opt out.
>> >
>> > the best way to opt out is to buy a regular Modem, then buy a Wireless
>> > router of your own.  then you get to control who uses your guest network
>> > (if you want).
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I use a Comcast provided Wireless Gateway TG1682G from Arris. It works
>> >> fine for us. It's both modem and router. I have two 8 port switches
>> >> connected the wired ports. I can get a good WIFI signal in all parts
>> >> of our home and property. Speed is good for us.  We have the Xfinity
>> >> TV system on 3 TV's now. That has a central DVR unit and the other two
>> >> units connect to that unit somehow, not sure if it's wired or wireless
>> >> between those devices..  We have 2 other TV's with digital converter
>> >> boxes. Connected via wire we have 3 desktop computers, a HP Photosmart
>> >> printer, the Surround Sound receiver, and the Blue Ray player.
>> >> Connected via WIFI we have 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 I-Phones, 1 seldom
>> >> used desktop (lap timer on the slot car track) and the Honeywell
>> >> thermostat. I've never noticed anything slow down due to lack of
>> >> bandwidth. But we don't stream movies either.  No Netflicks.  I do
>> >> have Amazon Prime now so I suppose I could try that and see if I can
>> >> max it out.  I've never tried it.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a
>> friend
>> >> that
>> >> > has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets
>> and
>> >> > phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
>> >> > bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>> >> >
>> >> > ____
>> >>
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>>
>>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 09:59:31 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:59:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
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I've tested the speed a few times at different times and haven't seen
any real degradation.  We only recently got the new gateway which put
us up to the 150Mbps speed.  It's been a couple months I guess. We
have always tested faster than we are supposed to have in the past
too.  I know the general public opinion of Comcast is that they are
evil and to be avoided but I've really had mostly positive experiences
myself from both a performance and a service aspect.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:39 AM,  <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> no you can't because it's controlled by Comcast.  It's good news that they
> allow you to disable the hotspot these days, but from what I've read on
> forums is that via repeat updates/upgrades of the modem/router firmware,
> the hotspot feature is re-enabled.
>
> the hotspot creates a 2nd network, so users connecting won't connect to
> home devices, but they do get to use your bandwidth.  having 177/12 speeds
> at one speedtest at 7:22 doesn't prove anything, since cable speeds are
> shared, it all depends on your neighbors.  if you have heavy
> netflix/hulu/appletv users its possible you will see slower speeds.
> when/how? depends on your neighbors.
>
> Gary, it sounds like your neighborhood is optimized for your usage.
>
> firmware is always managed by the provider... I've owned modem that yielded
> top speeds at time of purchase and years later via  a firmware the speeds
> slowed down.  we're at the mercy of the provider and the firmware they
> support.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:41 AM Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Couldn't Gary get around this by MAC addressing?
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Francisco,
>> >
>> > I am aware of the ability of other Comcast customers to use my
>> > network.  I could shut that off if I so chose.   Comcast doesn't hide
>> > this. They provide instructions on how to turn it off if I chose to do
>> > so.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
>> >
>> > <
>> >
>> http://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/internet/disable-xfinity-wifi-home-hotspot
>> > .
>> >
>> > I have 177Mbps down and 12 Mbps up at 7:22 in the evening which SHOULD
>> > BE prime time download time for the streaming users.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM,  <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Gary,  Note.  when you use the carriers provided wireless router/modem
>> > > combo, they enable this router to provide a free wifi hotspot to those
>> > > Xfinity customers in your area.  That means they can pull up the
>> Xfinity
>> > > app search for your wifi, pull up to your curb and just latch on
>> without
>> > > needing your wifi password, the router creates a wireless guest network
>> > for
>> > > any Xfinity user to just latch on anytime they want.  you don't get to
>> > > control or opt out.
>> > >
>> > > the best way to opt out is to buy a regular Modem, then buy a Wireless
>> > > router of your own.  then you get to control who uses your guest
>> network
>> > > (if you want).
>> > >
>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 11:44:42 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:44:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpUCmgB5JTVWwf67Wd7wSeWAHo3cToHycX8K7OcfvTVgWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ed:

That is an excellent choice and as routers go, it is no very expensive. The prices of a commercial grade router can be far more expensive.

It also has an OpenVPN server built into it, so a remote user could have super-secure access to a network's servers/computers and it uses an open source piece of router software called OpenWRT (highly recommended). This makes the router capable of handling complex routing, data flow management and monitoring of any small businesses. It is very secure, with a built-in firewall, opening and closing ports as required, re-directing caller addresses, blocking or blacklisting certain addresses, opening particular ports, sub-dividing networks and so on... It even has capable of replacing or limiting the need for most client firewall software. The router is also built on top of a switch (not a hub like some the cheap crap out there) and each hardware port is completely programmable. The WiFi is also programmable as it can analyse and select the channels available and optimize their performance as well.  

The reason, I know so much about this router is because, a friend and myself spent a good month properly configuring the router and server software for managing his business... Don't worry, as right out of the box, the router's defaults are more than adequate. ;-)   

I have seen $1,200 Cisco routers with less features than this router has...so in the over-all scheme of things, I could not recommend the router highly enough...given the features, the quality of software and the excellent hardware.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wireless routers

Well if you're willing to spend the bucks the Netgear Nighthawk should do
very well



*http://tinyurl.com/zqqpgv7 <http://tinyurl.com/zqqpgv7>*

*Depends on distance and how many folks are going to jump on it.*

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:38 AM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> What's the word on the best wireless router these days? I have a friend
> that
> has teenagers over all the time playing video games and using tablets and
> phones and he wants to stream music out to his yard. That's a lot of
> bandwidth. He has 100MB cable coming in. What say ye?
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 13:50:39 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:50:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Age of Ascent" network game technology stack
In-Reply-To: <1459458574.18122880@f84.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <374432575.23206277.1460055039433.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

Looks and sounds impressive. Some of the products are being open sourced. :-) At that rate it wouldn't be long before Microsoft will be viewed as a good corporate citizen. ;-)

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 2:09:34 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Age of Ascent" network game technology stack

 Hi All --

FYI:? http://tinyurl.com/hyj27js

See also: ? http://tinyurl.com/hvg5xea ?starting at 2:50

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 15:07:25 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:07:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15848849B9FA396D483B42D6CA900@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1876767534.23279947.1460059645564.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for your help. 

Interesting enough I was actually deleting files so I could make a VDHX using Disk2vhd but I had to get the server size under 127GB before running the process.

Now it is a matter whether to install the vd on a Windows or Linux Hyper-V server? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 11:49:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Jim

If you share a "deep" folder, you can easily create paths that are too long to be accessed from the root level.
So just attach to the server as users would do.

Another option is to use P2V to create a vhd(x) image of the server drive. This you can mount as a drive letter, and then you are absolutely sure to have "everything" at hand and can deal with issues later.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 6. april 2016 23:44
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Emne: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi All:

I have a question.

I was asked to move data to an archive from a Windows 2003 server, that was about to be decommissioned. It seemed like it should be a very simple task but then I starting running into files and directories, that wouldn't be moved or deleted. (Names too long, directories too deep or just locked in some fashion.) 

I finally booted the server from a USB drive and used a Live Ubuntu server to manage everything on the old drives. 

The question is: Is there a simple Windows solution to these issues? If the client ever wants to manage these files and directories, in the future, they might find themselves really stuck and I would like to leave them some tools they can use. (They are totally freaked with the thought of a Linux option so that is not a choice.)

TIA

Jim 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 17:58:02 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:58:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
Message-ID: <002a01d19120$f16b7f30$d4427d90$@gmail.com>

I hate that clicking links to a Microsoft site force me to sign in using my
365 account - can I disable this? 

 

Susan H. 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  8 01:39:38 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:39:38 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584C724E6B8ECCF56E468D0CA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.

If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full Windows server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It is snap to install.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 7. april 2016 22:07
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for your help. 

Interesting enough I was actually deleting files so I could make a VDHX using Disk2vhd but I had to get the server size under 127GB before running the process.

Now it is a matter whether to install the vd on a Windows or Linux Hyper-V server? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 11:49:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Jim

If you share a "deep" folder, you can easily create paths that are too long to be accessed from the root level.
So just attach to the server as users would do.

Another option is to use P2V to create a vhd(x) image of the server drive. This you can mount as a drive letter, and then you are absolutely sure to have "everything" at hand and can deal with issues later.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 6. april 2016 23:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi All:

I have a question.

I was asked to move data to an archive from a Windows 2003 server, that was about to be decommissioned. It seemed like it should be a very simple task but then I starting running into files and directories, that wouldn't be moved or deleted. (Names too long, directories too deep or just locked in some fashion.) 

I finally booted the server from a USB drive and used a Live Ubuntu server to manage everything on the old drives. 

The question is: Is there a simple Windows solution to these issues? If the client ever wants to manage these files and directories, in the future, they might find themselves really stuck and I would like to leave them some tools they can use. (They are totally freaked with the thought of a Linux option so that is not a choice.)

TIA

Jim 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  8 01:45:33 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:45:33 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584D765464AA2E1767B953FCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

If the site requires a login (not all do), and you already are logged in with a Microsoft account somewhere else, it is my experience that it tries that account as a default login. If not, it suggests your "usual" Microsoft account which most likely is that one you use with Office 365. Is that what you see?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 8. april 2016 00:58
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

I hate that clicking links to a Microsoft site force me to sign in using my
365 account - can I disable this? 

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 06:17:19 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 07:17:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584D765464AA2E1767B953FCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584D765464AA2E1767B953FCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <002601d19188$37c82b60$a7588220$@gmail.com>

I've been trying to pay attention now that it's obvious that it isn't a
mistake. It seems to happen with support.microsoft.com articles mostly. And
yes, it's my Office 365 login in page that the process displays. I've not
figured  away around it -- why would a support article require a log in?
Seems a bit... <sigh>... I don't like it, but nobody asked me. 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan

If the site requires a login (not all do), and you already are logged in
with a Microsoft account somewhere else, it is my experience that it tries
that account as a default login. If not, it suggests your "usual" Microsoft
account which most likely is that one you use with Office 365. Is that what
you see?

/gustav




From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  8 06:21:35 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:21:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584016E23323BFE3956E572CA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

What I see is that a login is required if you wish to write a comment or answer, not if you only wish to read.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 8. april 2016 13:17
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

I've been trying to pay attention now that it's obvious that it isn't a mistake. It seems to happen with support.microsoft.com articles mostly. And yes, it's my Office 365 login in page that the process displays. I've not figured  away around it -- why would a support article require a log in?
Seems a bit... <sigh>... I don't like it, but nobody asked me. 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan

If the site requires a login (not all do), and you already are logged in with a Microsoft account somewhere else, it is my experience that it tries that account as a default login. If not, it suggests your "usual" Microsoft account which most likely is that one you use with Office 365. Is that what you see?

/gustav


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 06:49:02 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 07:49:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584016E23323BFE3956E572CA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584016E23323BFE3956E572CA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000401d1918c$a5bd7180$f1385480$@gmail.com>

When I click a link to visit a page, usually from a search list, my 365
login page appears. I can't get to the page without signing in. 

This doesn't always happen. 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan

What I see is that a login is required if you wish to write a comment or
answer, not if you only wish to read.

/gustav


I've been trying to pay attention now that it's obvious that it isn't a
mistake. It seems to happen with support.microsoft.com articles mostly. And
yes, it's my Office 365 login in page that the process displays. I've not
figured  away around it -- why would a support article require a log in?
Seems a bit... <sigh>... I don't like it, but nobody asked me. 

Susan H. 




From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  8 06:53:45 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:53:45 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

If you have a link, I'll gladly click it to see.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 8. april 2016 13:49
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

When I click a link to visit a page, usually from a search list, my 365 login page appears. I can't get to the page without signing in. 

This doesn't always happen. 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan

What I see is that a login is required if you wish to write a comment or answer, not if you only wish to read.

/gustav


I've been trying to pay attention now that it's obvious that it isn't a mistake. It seems to happen with support.microsoft.com articles mostly. And yes, it's my Office 365 login in page that the process displays. I've not figured  away around it -- why would a support article require a log in?
Seems a bit... <sigh>... I don't like it, but nobody asked me. 

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 07:32:01 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 08:32:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>

Thanks. Here's one -- just tried it again to make sure. Seems like an extra
lot of characters at the end. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-a-formula-in-a-Word-or-Outlook
-table-cbd0596e-ea8a-485e-a35d-b2cb2c4f3e27?CorrelationId=eaff3041-7695-4eb4
-87ab-6f108b2c3daa&ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US>

This one did it too. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Add-a-check-box-control-to-show-Ye
s-No-values-4FA55FFF-B3A0-4D03-A7A6-A2CFE4D03D4C>

These links came from a google or bing (can't remember now) search page. 

Hi Susan

If you have a link, I'll gladly click it to see.

/gustav




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Apr  8 07:41:18 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:41:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A1F550@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Susan

This bit normally indicates an error of some sort

CorrelationId

We get that in SharePoint and we would then look up the id to see the actual error.

The page opened immediately for me. 

Use a formula in a Word or Outlook table

This URL also works https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-a-formula-in-a-Word-or-Outlook-table-cbd0596e-ea8a-485e-a35d-b2cb2c4f3e27


Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 08 April 2016 13:32
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

Thanks. Here's one -- just tried it again to make sure. Seems like an extra lot of characters at the end. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-a-formula-in-a-Word-or-Outlook
-table-cbd0596e-ea8a-485e-a35d-b2cb2c4f3e27?CorrelationId=eaff3041-7695-4eb4
-87ab-6f108b2c3daa&ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US>

This one did it too. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Add-a-check-box-control-to-show-Ye
s-No-values-4FA55FFF-B3A0-4D03-A7A6-A2CFE4D03D4C>

These links came from a google or bing (can't remember now) search page. 

Hi Susan

If you have a link, I'll gladly click it to see.

/gustav



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  8 08:01:49 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:01:49 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584755A6B7FE98605B4D75CCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Susan

They both behave what I see as the normal way:

They both opened at once for me. Top right showed "Sign in".
At both pages, I was automatically signed in in a couple of seconds.

We have all a Microsoft account associated with our AD login - that synchronizes settings across workstations via the MS account - very handy!

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 8. april 2016 14:32
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

Thanks. Here's one -- just tried it again to make sure. Seems like an extra lot of characters at the end. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-a-formula-in-a-Word-or-Outlook
-table-cbd0596e-ea8a-485e-a35d-b2cb2c4f3e27?CorrelationId=eaff3041-7695-4eb4
-87ab-6f108b2c3daa&ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US>

This one did it too. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Add-a-check-box-control-to-show-Ye
s-No-values-4FA55FFF-B3A0-4D03-A7A6-A2CFE4D03D4C>

These links came from a google or bing (can't remember now) search page. 

Hi Susan

If you have a link, I'll gladly click it to see.

/gustav 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  8 11:26:00 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:26:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Taken notes anywhere
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <65053025.23944099.1460132760641.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

For people who want to take and receive notes any where this might be the product for you. This app is not Google.doc or 365.word but it is small enough to fit on virtually any piece of hardware; from a smartphone to a server because it runs on any OS and its footprint is very small. Of course it has all the features you would expect of such a product that can collaborate, with multiple users in real time. 

http://simplenote.com/ 

Some of the features are: Traffic synchronizing between clients is always encrypted though for obvious reasons the actual notes are not (would not then be searchable). The application supports markdown so you can generate simple web pages. Info can be copied to Simplenote directly from the host clipboard. Notes can also be published by sharing the note's URL. There is a host of apps that work in conjunction with Simplenote:

http://simplenote.com/downloads/ 

The big ticket item is that the product is completely Open Source, so improvements can be added, forks can be made and/or simple note can be setup on any server or cloud host for any individual or company (a separate domain would have to be installed if hosting the product but that is a very basic web process):

<quote>

For the first time in Simplenote?s history, we?re open sourcing the Windows and Linux apps on GitHub (http://bit.ly/1XlpXWM)! You can peek at the code, or if you?re a developer, you can contribute to the project. The app is built with React (http://bit.ly/1XlqtnS) and runs on Electron (http://electron.atom.io/). 

If you run into any issues with Simplenote for Windows or Linux, please contact us (http://bit.ly/23i9fP7).

</quote>

Aside: Visual Studio code, the junior code editor was built using Electron which allowed the developers to code once and run everywhere. The Simplenote product is just open source built on top of open source. I have downloaded the React, Javascript library and have been viewing the code...absolutely brilliant...definitely a must have for any serious web developer.

If someone wanted to make Simplenote into a full featured document editor, it could encapsulate the presentation manger like CKEdior (http://ckeditor.com/)...also open source. I have been working with CKEditor for the last month, for a client and am impressed with it flexibility. In this editor a full mockup of an elaborate document page can be assembled and when saved the page is really nothing more than simple HTML5 script...which Simplenote can manage and display. In theory someone can replace much of the functionality that either Google docs or 365 Word has and customize it for a particular client. :-)
 
Jim


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Apr  8 11:52:35 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:52:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wireless routers
In-Reply-To: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <021a01d18fbe$2c86e050$8594a0f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAC+E+zcrq7JFjq0oQwJZRksBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Thanks for all the advice! 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Apr  8 12:48:44 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:48:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e001d191be$e5d4fe50$b17efaf0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Susan,
I opened both of these without having to login.
???

Not sure what to tell you, 
:-(
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:32 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

Thanks. Here's one -- just tried it again to make sure. Seems like an extra
lot of characters at the end. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-a-formula-in-a-Word-or-Outlook
-table-cbd0596e-ea8a-485e-a35d-b2cb2c4f3e27?CorrelationId=eaff3041-7695-4eb4
-87ab-6f108b2c3daa&ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US>

This one did it too. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Add-a-check-box-control-to-show-Ye
s-No-values-4FA55FFF-B3A0-4D03-A7A6-A2CFE4D03D4C>

These links came from a google or bing (can't remember now) search page. 

Hi Susan

If you have a link, I'll gladly click it to see.

/gustav



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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Apr  8 13:35:44 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:35:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to change how Windows 10's Edge browser
	handles Flash content
Message-ID: <00fe01d191c5$768c8340$63a589c0$@winhaven.net>

Microsoft will give users more control over Flash content in its Edge
browser for Windows 10 when it delivers the Anniversary update this summer.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-change-how-windows-10-edge-browser
-handles-flash-content/

 

Not sure how many of you keep up on all the Flash security problems but
anything that lets you manage flash is good. Personally, I suggest you get
rid of it if you don't need it for business. (Force the sites that use it to
abandon it.)


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 15:46:56 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:46:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com>

Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty much
non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and I run
Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.

Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power users". I
guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely optimized for
net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its apparent bareness, and
not discover the treasures hidden within.

I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the browser.
Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's notion
of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement of Darwin's
original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until suddenly there
occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in point; a summation of
what's gone before, a tweak here and there, and suddenly, a whole new beast
is born.

-- 
Arthur

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 16:52:58 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:52:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A1F550@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A1F550@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <009e01d191e1$03ed7da0$0bc878e0$@gmail.com>

An error that I can fix? I don't mind signing if necessary -- I just don't
feel like I should have to. It's a ... it's petty of me. 

Susan H. 

Susan

This bit normally indicates an error of some sort

CorrelationId

We get that in SharePoint and we would then look up the id to see the actual
error.

The page opened immediately for me. 

Use a formula in a Word or Outlook table

This URL also works
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-a-formula-in-a-Word-or-Outlook-
table-cbd0596e-ea8a-485e-a35d-b2cb2c4f3e27


Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: 08 April 2016 13:32
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

Thanks. Here's one -- just tried it again to make sure. Seems like an extra
lot of characters at the end. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Use-a-formula-in-a-Word-or-Outlook
-table-cbd0596e-ea8a-485e-a35d-b2cb2c4f3e27?CorrelationId=eaff3041-7695-4eb4
-87ab-6f108b2c3daa&ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US>

This one did it too. 

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Add-a-check-box-control-to-show-Ye
s-No-values-4FA55FFF-B3A0-4D03-A7A6-A2CFE4D03D4C>

These links came from a google or bing (can't remember now) search page. 

Hi Susan

If you have a link, I'll gladly click it to see.

/gustav



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 17:18:45 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:18:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <00e001d191be$e5d4fe50$b17efaf0$@winhaven.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>
	<00e001d191be$e5d4fe50$b17efaf0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <010c01d191e4$9e326990$da973cb0$@gmail.com>

Well, thanks for following through guys. I have no explanation. 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan,
I opened both of these without having to login.
???

Not sure what to tell you,
:-(
John




From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Apr  8 17:45:10 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:45:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <010c01d191e4$9e326990$da973cb0$@gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>	<00e001d191be$e5d4fe50$b17efaf0$@winhaven.net>
	<010c01d191e4$9e326990$da973cb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016f01d191e8$4ed1af60$ec750e20$@winhaven.net>

As a side note, I don't stay logged into any 365 accounts because I'm
constantly switching between all of the ones I manage. But I did just notice
that Word says I am logged into my live.com account. So then I remembered, I
have Outlook open all the time and it knows who I am too. So - I lied.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:19 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

Well, thanks for following through guys. I have no explanation. 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan,
I opened both of these without having to login.
???

Not sure what to tell you,
:-(
John



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 17:50:19 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:50:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <016f01d191e8$4ed1af60$ec750e20$@winhaven.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>	<00e001d191be$e5d4fe50$b17efaf0$@winhaven.net>	<010c01d191e4$9e326990$da973cb0$@gmail.com>
	<016f01d191e8$4ed1af60$ec750e20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000b01d191e9$07a66d50$16f347f0$@gmail.com>

 I close Outlook when I'm not using it -- I hate the interruption when I'm
working. Think that's it? 

Susan H. 


As a side note, I don't stay logged into any 365 accounts because I'm
constantly switching between all of the ones I manage. But I did just notice
that Word says I am logged into my live.com account. So then I remembered, I
have Outlook open all the time and it knows who I am too. So - I lied.

-----Original Message-----



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 18:04:12 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:04:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJHFBaMt4Lgz7dEMsarpq9unarXMDmZFxooMsXzjWRHvw@mail.gmail.com>

I just don't get it.  I really don't give a rats ass what browser I am
using.  I want the content.  Any browser gives me that. Doesn't it?
SO what is so much better about it?  Please elaborate on what I am
missing.


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty much
> non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and I run
> Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.
>
> Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power users". I
> guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely optimized for
> net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its apparent bareness, and
> not discover the treasures hidden within.
>
> I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the browser.
> Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's notion
> of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement of Darwin's
> original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until suddenly there
> occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in point; a summation of
> what's gone before, a tweak here and there, and suddenly, a whole new beast
> is born.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  8 19:22:29 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:22:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to change how Windows 10's Edge browser
 handles Flash content
In-Reply-To: <00fe01d191c5$768c8340$63a589c0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00fe01d191c5$768c8340$63a589c0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <57084B45.1090003@earthlink.net>

On 4/8/2016 13:35, John R Bartow wrote:
> Microsoft will give users more control over Flash content in its Edge
> browser for Windows 10 when it delivers the Anniversary update this summer.
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-change-how-windows-10-edge-browser
> -handles-flash-content/

It's a start.
>
> Not sure how many of you keep up on all the Flash security problems but
> anything that lets you manage flash is good. Personally, I suggest you get
> rid of it if you don't need it for business. (Force the sites that use it to
> abandon it.)

Indeed.

And Edge needs more than a partial Flash fix, it needs to support 
extensions.

PB
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  8 19:29:22 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:29:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJHFBaMt4Lgz7dEMsarpq9unarXMDmZFxooMsXzjWRHvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJHFBaMt4Lgz7dEMsarpq9unarXMDmZFxooMsXzjWRHvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57084CE2.5040805@earthlink.net>

On 4/8/2016 18:04, Gary Kjos wrote:
> I just don't get it.  I really don't give a rats ass what browser I am
> using.  I want the content.  Any browser gives me that. Doesn't it?
> SO what is so much better about it?  Please elaborate on what I am
> missing.

How the browser renders "the content" makes a big diff. Esp. video, 
Flash content, PDFs, other specialised material.

And, extensions.

And speed & memory management.

And, bookmark &c synchronisation with browsers on other LAN devices.

PB


>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty much
>> non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and I run
>> Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.
>>
>> Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power users". I
>> guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely optimized for
>> net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its apparent bareness, and
>> not discover the treasures hidden within.
>>
>> I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the browser.
>> Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's notion
>> of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement of Darwin's
>> original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until suddenly there
>> occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in point; a summation of
>> what's gone before, a tweak here and there, and suddenly, a whole new beast
>> is born.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr  8 21:06:24 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:06:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <57084CE2.5040805@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com><CAJ2R_pJHFBaMt4Lgz7dEMsarpq9unarXMDmZFxooMsXzjWRHvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<57084CE2.5040805@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ED54908FCFB24DC7B4D6B12095D8F941@HAL9007>

Why when I run chrome are there 3-6 instances of chrome in the processes of
the task manager?  And when I exit chrome, why are they still there?  And
why do they still occasionally take a few percent of the CPU cycles?


r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Brawley
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:29 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi

On 4/8/2016 18:04, Gary Kjos wrote:
> I just don't get it.  I really don't give a rats ass what browser I am 
> using.  I want the content.  Any browser gives me that. Doesn't it?
> SO what is so much better about it?  Please elaborate on what I am 
> missing.

How the browser renders "the content" makes a big diff. Esp. video, Flash
content, PDFs, other specialised material.

And, extensions.

And speed & memory management.

And, bookmark &c synchronisation with browsers on other LAN devices.

PB


>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty much 
>> non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and I run 
>> Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.
>>
>> Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power 
>> users". I guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely 
>> optimized for net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its 
>> apparent bareness, and not discover the treasures hidden within.
>>
>> I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the
browser.
>> Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's 
>> notion of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement 
>> of Darwin's original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until 
>> suddenly there occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in 
>> point; a summation of what's gone before, a tweak here and there, and 
>> suddenly, a whole new beast is born.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Apr  8 22:16:11 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:16:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <000b01d191e9$07a66d50$16f347f0$@gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>	<00e001d191be$e5d4fe50$b17efaf0$@winhaven.net>	<010c01d191e4$9e326990$da973cb0$@gmail.com>	<016f01d191e8$4ed1af60$ec750e20$@winhaven.net>
	<000b01d191e9$07a66d50$16f347f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018001d1920e$2b0e9b30$812bd190$@winhaven.net>

May be. Give it a try. Although in that vein of thought having Word, Excel
or any MSO app open that is lgeed in would be similar.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

 I close Outlook when I'm not using it -- I hate the interruption when I'm
working. Think that's it? 

Susan H. 


As a side note, I don't stay logged into any 365 accounts because I'm
constantly switching between all of the ones I manage. But I did just notice
that Word says I am logged into my live.com account. So then I remembered, I
have Outlook open all the time and it knows who I am too. So - I lied.

-----Original Message-----


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Apr  8 22:21:12 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:21:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to change how Windows 10's Edge browser
	handles Flash content
In-Reply-To: <57084B45.1090003@earthlink.net>
References: <00fe01d191c5$768c8340$63a589c0$@winhaven.net>
	<57084B45.1090003@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <018101d1920e$de66ede0$9b34c9a0$@winhaven.net>

Extensions is what the upgrade is all about. Flash handling is a side issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Brawley
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:22 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to change how Windows 10's Edge browser
handles Flash content

On 4/8/2016 13:35, John R Bartow wrote:
> Microsoft will give users more control over Flash content in its Edge 
> browser for Windows 10 when it delivers the Anniversary update this
summer.
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-change-how-windows-10-edge-b
> rowser
> -handles-flash-content/

It's a start.
>
> Not sure how many of you keep up on all the Flash security problems 
> but anything that lets you manage flash is good. Personally, I suggest 
> you get rid of it if you don't need it for business. (Force the sites 
> that use it to abandon it.)

Indeed.

And Edge needs more than a partial Flash fix, it needs to support
extensions.

PB
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  9 03:13:26 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 08:13:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584DC4F7C23C9FD17C8A669CA920@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

Google is tracking you with Chrome. And if you also use their DNS servers, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, they track every movement you make.

/gustav


Fra: Rocky Smolin<mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2016 04:06
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi

Why when I run chrome are there 3-6 instances of chrome in the processes of
the task manager?  And when I exit chrome, why are they still there?  And
why do they still occasionally take a few percent of the CPU cycles?


r

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 06:13:17 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:13:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] another 365 question
In-Reply-To: <018001d1920e$2b0e9b30$812bd190$@winhaven.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584731112F3DFF8A9D21F1DCA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<000901d19192$a74d0370$f5e70a50$@gmail.com>	<00e001d191be$e5d4fe50$b17efaf0$@winhaven.net>	<010c01d191e4$9e326990$da973cb0$@gmail.com>	<016f01d191e8$4ed1af60$ec750e20$@winhaven.net>	<000b01d191e9$07a66d50$16f347f0$@gmail.com>
	<018001d1920e$2b0e9b30$812bd190$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <002501d19250$d1752790$745f76b0$@gmail.com>

I often have everything open; just as often have only the browser open while
researching. It'll be an interesting test, but I still don't see the need to
force users into their account to see support documents that are probably
available to folks without an account. 

Susan H. 


May be. Give it a try. Although in that vein of thought having Word, Excel
or any MSO app open that is lgeed in would be similar.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] another 365 question

 I close Outlook when I'm not using it -- I hate the interruption when I'm
working. Think that's it? 

Susan H. 


As a side note, I don't stay logged into any 365 accounts because I'm
constantly switching between all of the ones I manage. But I did just notice
that Word says I am logged into my live.com account. So then I remembered, I
have Outlook open all the time and it knows who I am too. So - I lied.

-----Original Message-----


_______________________________________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 06:25:15 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:25:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584C724E6B8ECCF56E468D0CA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584C724E6B8ECCF56E468D0CA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hfAvko5Sp-ak-rM_Fj_7MVp3AXWUBkJgLrRMZbELHQvg@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,

I've never used Hyper-V, only Oracle VirtualBox. Have you or anyone else
reading this ever done a side-by-side comparison?

I run Windows 10. Is Hyper-V already included, or is it a separate
download? If it's included, how do I install it? If it's a download, I
guess I can Google for a download site.

Thanks,
/Arthur

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.
>
> If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full Windows
> server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It is snap to
> install.
>
> /gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr  9 06:52:09 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:52:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584D7467E9C5397A313650ECA920@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

Hyper-V is included in all versions of Windows 10 except the Home version:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

You select it to be installed under ?Turn Windows features on or off?.

We have a lot of VMs running using the old free VMware server. They run extremely stable but I move them bit by bit to Hyper-V which is a little easier to manage. I?ve done any comparison as such.

/gustav


Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2016 13:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Gustav,

I've never used Hyper-V, only Oracle VirtualBox. Have you or anyone else
reading this ever done a side-by-side comparison?

I run Windows 10. Is Hyper-V already included, or is it a separate
download? If it's included, how do I install it? If it's a download, I
guess I can Google for a download site.

Thanks,
/Arthur

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.
>
> If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full Windows
> server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It is snap to
> install.
>
> /gustav


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 06:58:23 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:58:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584D7467E9C5397A313650ECA920@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584D7467E9C5397A313650ECA920@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gHJ683sJhp5XQ1Av-UEuRjiwOK-YTfE1JBQsgu1hPYQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Gustav. I'll enable it this morning and take it for a spin.

/Arthur
?

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  9 11:47:48 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:47:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <ED54908FCFB24DC7B4D6B12095D8F941@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJHFBaMt4Lgz7dEMsarpq9unarXMDmZFxooMsXzjWRHvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<57084CE2.5040805@earthlink.net>
	<ED54908FCFB24DC7B4D6B12095D8F941@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <57093234.1010907@earthlink.net>

On 4/8/2016 21:06, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Why when I run chrome are there 3-6 instances of chrome in the processes of
> the task manager?  And when I exit chrome, why are they still there?  And
> why do they still occasionally take a few percent of the CPU cycles?

Each tab spawns its own process.

PB

>
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:29 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
>
> On 4/8/2016 18:04, Gary Kjos wrote:
>> I just don't get it.  I really don't give a rats ass what browser I am
>> using.  I want the content.  Any browser gives me that. Doesn't it?
>> SO what is so much better about it?  Please elaborate on what I am
>> missing.
> How the browser renders "the content" makes a big diff. Esp. video, Flash
> content, PDFs, other specialised material.
>
> And, extensions.
>
> And speed & memory management.
>
> And, bookmark &c synchronisation with browsers on other LAN devices.
>
> PB
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty much
>>> non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and I run
>>> Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.
>>>
>>> Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power
>>> users". I guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely
>>> optimized for net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its
>>> apparent bareness, and not discover the treasures hidden within.
>>>
>>> I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the
> browser.
>>> Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's
>>> notion of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement
>>> of Darwin's original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until
>>> suddenly there occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in
>>> point; a summation of what's gone before, a tweak here and there, and
>>> suddenly, a whole new beast is born.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  9 11:51:12 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:51:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to change how Windows 10's Edge browser
 handles Flash content
In-Reply-To: <018101d1920e$de66ede0$9b34c9a0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00fe01d191c5$768c8340$63a589c0$@winhaven.net>
	<57084B45.1090003@earthlink.net>
	<018101d1920e$de66ede0$9b34c9a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <57093300.3070405@earthlink.net>

On 4/8/2016 22:21, John R Bartow wrote:
> Extensions is what the upgrade is all about. Flash handling is a side issue.

According to 
https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/02/03/2016-platform-priorities/ 
it's a top priority.

PB

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:22 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to change how Windows 10's Edge browser
> handles Flash content
>
> On 4/8/2016 13:35, John R Bartow wrote:
>> Microsoft will give users more control over Flash content in its Edge
>> browser for Windows 10 when it delivers the Anniversary update this
> summer.
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-change-how-windows-10-edge-b
>> rowser
>> -handles-flash-content/
> It's a start.
>> Not sure how many of you keep up on all the Flash security problems
>> but anything that lets you manage flash is good. Personally, I suggest
>> you get rid of it if you don't need it for business. (Force the sites
>> that use it to abandon it.)
> Indeed.
>
> And Edge needs more than a partial Flash fix, it needs to support
> extensions.
>
> PB
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Apr  9 11:54:06 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 09:54:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <57093234.1010907@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com><CAJ2R_pJHFBaMt4Lgz7dEMsarpq9unarXMDmZFxooMsXzjWRHvw@mail.gmail.com><57084CE2.5040805@earthlink.net><ED54908FCFB24DC7B4D6B12095D8F941@HAL9007>
	<57093234.1010907@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7D5FBF9863954E9D8A89BD56DC784C42@HAL9007>

So when I close Chrome those processes remain in RAM?  Why would they design
it that way?

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Brawley
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi

On 4/8/2016 21:06, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Why when I run chrome are there 3-6 instances of chrome in the 
> processes of the task manager?  And when I exit chrome, why are they 
> still there?  And why do they still occasionally take a few percent of the
CPU cycles?

Each tab spawns its own process.

PB

>
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:29 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
>
> On 4/8/2016 18:04, Gary Kjos wrote:
>> I just don't get it.  I really don't give a rats ass what browser I 
>> am using.  I want the content.  Any browser gives me that. Doesn't it?
>> SO what is so much better about it?  Please elaborate on what I am 
>> missing.
> How the browser renders "the content" makes a big diff. Esp. video, 
> Flash content, PDFs, other specialised material.
>
> And, extensions.
>
> And speed & memory management.
>
> And, bookmark &c synchronisation with browsers on other LAN devices.
>
> PB
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Fuller 
>> <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty 
>>> much non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and 
>>> I run Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.
>>>
>>> Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power 
>>> users". I guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely 
>>> optimized for net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its 
>>> apparent bareness, and not discover the treasures hidden within.
>>>
>>> I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the
> browser.
>>> Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's 
>>> notion of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement 
>>> of Darwin's original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until 
>>> suddenly there occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in 
>>> point; a summation of what's gone before, a tweak here and there, 
>>> and suddenly, a whole new beast is born.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>>> _______________________________________________
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  9 19:34:06 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:34:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <7D5FBF9863954E9D8A89BD56DC784C42@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1j5_Z2mvNq=hG0ha_1Lwej_Youv9tLjxbtSTD5F5heqxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJHFBaMt4Lgz7dEMsarpq9unarXMDmZFxooMsXzjWRHvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<57084CE2.5040805@earthlink.net>
	<ED54908FCFB24DC7B4D6B12095D8F941@HAL9007>
	<57093234.1010907@earthlink.net>
	<7D5FBF9863954E9D8A89BD56DC784C42@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <57099F7E.40503@earthlink.net>

On 4/9/2016 11:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> So when I close Chrome those processes remain in RAM?  Why would they design
> it that way?

I think it closes all the tab processes. If it leaves some behind, I 
think you found a bug.

PB

-----
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 9:48 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
>
> On 4/8/2016 21:06, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Why when I run chrome are there 3-6 instances of chrome in the
>> processes of the task manager?  And when I exit chrome, why are they
>> still there?  And why do they still occasionally take a few percent of the
> CPU cycles?
>
> Each tab spawns its own process.
>
> PB
>
>>
>> r
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Brawley
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:29 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
>>
>> On 4/8/2016 18:04, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>> I just don't get it.  I really don't give a rats ass what browser I
>>> am using.  I want the content.  Any browser gives me that. Doesn't it?
>>> SO what is so much better about it?  Please elaborate on what I am
>>> missing.
>> How the browser renders "the content" makes a big diff. Esp. video,
>> Flash content, PDFs, other specialised material.
>>
>> And, extensions.
>>
>> And speed & memory management.
>>
>> And, bookmark &c synchronisation with browsers on other LAN devices.
>>
>> PB
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Fuller
>>> <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty
>>>> much non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and
>>>> I run Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.
>>>>
>>>> Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power
>>>> users". I guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely
>>>> optimized for net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its
>>>> apparent bareness, and not discover the treasures hidden within.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the
>> browser.
>>>> Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's
>>>> notion of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement
>>>> of Darwin's original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until
>>>> suddenly there occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in
>>>> point; a summation of what's gone before, a tweak here and there,
>>>> and suddenly, a whole new beast is born.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 13:20:06 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:20:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 365 account troubles
Message-ID: <001401d19355$9d1e31c0$d75a9540$@gmail.com>

My SharePoint Online site keeps telling me I'm not a user. I vaguely
remember having this problem before, but I don't remember too much about it.
The Issue Type says I'm not in the directory. I have no idea what that
means. 

 

Through my 365 Admin settings, I'm a user - I have no idea how to ever
proceed. This is so annoying. All I want to do is create a simple Access web
app! But when I click Create, I simply can't sign in using my account. I can
sign into my 365 account using the portal. I have two sample apps that I
played with a month or so ago on the list - this was working. 

 

I'm just clueless and I know this is because I really don't understand all
this new configuration for 365. I just reset the password using the link
provided and it still doesn't work, so this isn't a password issue. It
simply doesn't recognize me and I don't know why. 

 

Susan H. 

 

 

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr 11 12:04:32 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:04:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anti-Ransomware
Message-ID: <7DD6948C61CC4D21AD75032FD90525D1@HAL9007>

A few weeks ago there was a recommendation for an anti-Ransomware app that
runs in the background.  I got.  I run it.  I can't remember the name of it
(old guy). 
 
But I have a friend who needs it.  Can someone remind me what it's name was?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Apr 11 12:20:25 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:20:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anti-Ransomware
In-Reply-To: <7DD6948C61CC4D21AD75032FD90525D1@HAL9007>
References: <7DD6948C61CC4D21AD75032FD90525D1@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <01f601d19416$7015e710$5041b530$@winhaven.net>

I've recommended 2 over the last few months : Bitdefender's free app and
Cryptoprevent from FoolishIT. 

If someone is using Bitdefender's security program they already have this
built in.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:05 PM
To: List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Anti-Ransomware

A few weeks ago there was a recommendation for an anti-Ransomware app that
runs in the background.  I got.  I run it.  I can't remember the name of it
(old guy). 
 
But I have a friend who needs it.  Can someone remind me what it's name was?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 12 12:26:07 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:26:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another ransomware cracked
Message-ID: <00d901d194e0$668d5aa0$33a80fe0$@winhaven.net>

For those waiting for the hostage rescue team:

http://www.techworld.com.au/article/597722/experts-crack-petya-ransomware-en
able-hard-drive-decryption-free/

 

good luck!


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 13 03:47:06 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:47:06 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another ransomware cracked
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584B82F19FE604CB409D3D1CA960@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks John, not that I have met some hit by this, but you never know.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 12. april 2016 19:26
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Another ransomware cracked
Prioritet: H?j

For those waiting for the hostage rescue team:

http://www.techworld.com.au/article/597722/experts-crack-petya-ransomware-en
able-hard-drive-decryption-free/

 

good luck! 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 06:47:44 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 07:47:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google + question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gNf3Bxosazi8oRbWjoJNn9mGoWs3R8yjOLd5oN5aoQNg@mail.gmail.com>

When creating a post for Google +, is it possible to add an archive file
(zip, rar, etc.) to a post?  I was thinking of adding a few of my articles
to Google +, but many of them need an associated zip file that contains the
sample code/database etc. Can this be done?

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 15:13:14 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:13:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Map JavaScript Library
In-Reply-To: <1437621025.20221700.1459809794777.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <964579132.386002.1460578394469.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Here is really nice Map JavaScript library for building maps on your websites. Fully Open Source (of course), runs on all operating systems/browsers (of course). Note: Not sure if it runs on Microsoft's Edge browser but most likely. Fully adaptive as it modifies for all devices and supports gestures, for tablets and smartphones. It is fully built on modules and layers so it is very light-weight (33K) and features can be easily added and subtracted:

http://leafletjs.com/

...feature list: 
http://leafletjs.com/#features

...full API tutorials, documentation and picture/coding examples:
http://leafletjs.com/examples.html

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 17:11:51 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:11:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest and greatest web framework and associated
	libraries
In-Reply-To: <1437621025.20221700.1459809794777.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <926300385.501714.1460585511429.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

According the latest discussion on web designs, Vue.js is the best of the current breed. This framework incorporates the best from many of the individual libraries/frameworks like Angular, React, Ember, Polymer and Riot. It is designed for small to large scale applications.

https://vuejs.org/

...Getting started:
https://vuejs.org/guide/

...API guide:
https://vuejs.org/api/

...Examples:
https://vuejs.org/examples/


For a very good link (award winning) to the latest podcasts on Webdesign, check out the following:
http://thewebahead.net/

...Check out; Episode 114 is on the use of CSS and the latest adaptive web design. Goodbye to div tags and floating content; now we have CSS Grids, Flexboxes, Alignment attributes, Multicolumn and so on. Highly recommended listening.

Jim

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 13 17:22:58 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:22:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google + question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gNf3Bxosazi8oRbWjoJNn9mGoWs3R8yjOLd5oN5aoQNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gNf3Bxosazi8oRbWjoJNn9mGoWs3R8yjOLd5oN5aoQNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d195d3$0903b110$1b0b1330$@winhaven.net>

Haven't tried it but I would think you could link to a file in your google
drive (if shared).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 6:48 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google + question

When creating a post for Google +, is it possible to add an archive file
(zip, rar, etc.) to a post?  I was thinking of adding a few of my articles
to Google +, but many of them need an associated zip file that contains the
sample code/database etc. Can this be done?

--
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 18:25:14 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:25:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest TED Talk with Linus Torvalds
In-Reply-To: <1437621025.20221700.1459809794777.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1576075537.562657.1460589914517.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

The latest on the OS with the world's largest user base, Linux. Here is a talk given at Ted Talks, by the head person managing the development Linus Torvalds (...and Github as well):

<quote>
"...The current Linux kernel is one of the largest collaborative projects ever attempted, with more than 20 million lines of code and more than 12,000 contributors so far. Additionally, an average of 185 changes are accepted into the kernel every day -- nearly 1,300 per week -- and Torvalds ultimately has the final say on what code is accepted..."
</quote>

The presentation was given on February 15-19, 2016, Vancouver Convention Centre, Vancouver, Canada:

http://bit.ly/1VmyET2 

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 18:30:12 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:30:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook Live vs Microsoft Skype
In-Reply-To: <1437621025.20221700.1459809794777.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1011174240.567199.1460590212982.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

It appears that Facebook has introduced a product which will directly compete with Microsoft's Skype called Facebook Live (FBL). 

The question is how good of product is FBL? Has anyone here used it? Any pluses or any minuses?

https://www.facebook.com/facebookmedia/

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 18:52:46 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:52:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584C724E6B8ECCF56E468D0CA910@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <29886977.583266.1460591566530.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

There is host of great free VFSs out there. Microsoft's Hyper-V server is a good choice...one of many. We did get the VDHX running of Microsoft's Hyper-V but that may not be the end of it as the client like the "shiny".

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:39:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Jim

That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.

If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full Windows server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It is snap to install.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for your help. 

Interesting enough I was actually deleting files so I could make a VDHX using Disk2vhd but I had to get the server size under 127GB before running the process.

Now it is a matter whether to install the vd on a Windows or Linux Hyper-V server? ;-)

Jim

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 11:49:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Jim

If you share a "deep" folder, you can easily create paths that are too long to be accessed from the root level.
So just attach to the server as users would do.

Another option is to use P2V to create a vhd(x) image of the server drive. This you can mount as a drive letter, and then you are absolutely sure to have "everything" at hand and can deal with issues later.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 6. april 2016 23:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi All:

I have a question.

I was asked to move data to an archive from a Windows 2003 server, that was about to be decommissioned. It seemed like it should be a very simple task but then I starting running into files and directories, that wouldn't be moved or deleted. (Names too long, directories too deep or just locked in some fashion.) 

I finally booted the server from a USB drive and used a Live Ubuntu server to manage everything on the old drives. 

The question is: Is there a simple Windows solution to these issues? If the client ever wants to manage these files and directories, in the future, they might find themselves really stuck and I would like to leave them some tools they can use. (They are totally freaked with the thought of a Linux option so that is not a choice.)

TIA

Jim 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 20:05:50 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:05:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest and greatest web framework and associated
	libraries
In-Reply-To: <926300385.501714.1460585511429.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1437621025.20221700.1459809794777.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<926300385.501714.1460585511429.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gZes17o0ew4+6cAdM5HyfCDcjriLX2yKr2PGnFGy0fKA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the links, Jim! Looks very interesting.

A.
?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 21:25:10 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:25:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584D7467E9C5397A313650ECA920@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1624142377.683308.1460600710550.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur and Gustav:

I can confirm this. Hyper-V uses a lot less overhead than either VirtualBox or VMware. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 4:52:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur

Hyper-V is included in all versions of Windows 10 except the Home version:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

You select it to be installed under ?Turn Windows features on or off?.

We have a lot of VMs running using the old free VMware server. They run extremely stable but I move them bit by bit to Hyper-V which is a little easier to manage. I?ve done any comparison as such.

/gustav


Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2016 13:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Gustav,

I've never used Hyper-V, only Oracle VirtualBox. Have you or anyone else
reading this ever done a side-by-side comparison?

I run Windows 10. Is Hyper-V already included, or is it a separate
download? If it's included, how do I install it? If it's a download, I
guess I can Google for a download site.

Thanks,
/Arthur

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.
>
> If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full Windows
> server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It is snap to
> install.
>
> /gustav

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 13 21:45:53 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 19:45:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <1624142377.683308.1460600710550.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584D7467E9C5397A313650ECA920@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1624142377.683308.1460600710550.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <9608ABD408634D43ADFEAA6DC8497A74@HAL9007>

I use VMWare Player to create VMs for testing apps in different versions of
office.  Is there any advantage to me using Hyper-V. Looks like it may be
more complicated and more power than I need.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur and Gustav:

I can confirm this. Hyper-V uses a lot less overhead than either VirtualBox
or VMware. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 4:52:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur

Hyper-V is included in all versions of Windows 10 except the Home version:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

You select it to be installed under "Turn Windows features on or off".

We have a lot of VMs running using the old free VMware server. They run
extremely stable but I move them bit by bit to Hyper-V which is a little
easier to manage. I've done any comparison as such.

/gustav


Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2016 13:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Gustav,

I've never used Hyper-V, only Oracle VirtualBox. Have you or anyone else
reading this ever done a side-by-side comparison?

I run Windows 10. Is Hyper-V already included, or is it a separate download?
If it's included, how do I install it? If it's a download, I guess I can
Google for a download site.

Thanks,
/Arthur

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.
>
> If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full 
> Windows server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It 
> is snap to install.
>
> /gustav

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 21:50:25 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:50:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <57099F7E.40503@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <693304522.697183.1460602225644.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

When removing Chrome from memory you just have to find the master process in the Task Manager (the biggest) and kill it and all the fragments disappear as well. That is the way I exit Google Chrome...a little brutal but its fast and works, first time everytime. ;-)

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 5:34:06 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi

On 4/9/2016 11:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> So when I close Chrome those processes remain in RAM?  Why would they design
> it that way?

I think it closes all the tab processes. If it leaves some behind, I 
think you found a bug.

PB

-----
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 9:48 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
>
> On 4/8/2016 21:06, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Why when I run chrome are there 3-6 instances of chrome in the
>> processes of the task manager?  And when I exit chrome, why are they
>> still there?  And why do they still occasionally take a few percent of the
> CPU cycles?
>
> Each tab spawns its own process.
>
> PB
>
>>
>> r
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Brawley
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:29 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Vivaldi
>>
>> On 4/8/2016 18:04, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>> I just don't get it.  I really don't give a rats ass what browser I
>>> am using.  I want the content.  Any browser gives me that. Doesn't it?
>>> SO what is so much better about it?  Please elaborate on what I am
>>> missing.
>> How the browser renders "the content" makes a big diff. Esp. video,
>> Flash content, PDFs, other specialised material.
>>
>> And, extensions.
>>
>> And speed & memory management.
>>
>> And, bookmark &c synchronisation with browsers on other LAN devices.
>>
>> PB
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Arthur Fuller
>>> <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Since I downloaded this new browser, I have been using it pretty
>>>> much non-stop. My main box is a laptop with an external monitor, and
>>>> I run Vivaldi on the local screen and Chrome on the external.
>>>>
>>>> Vivaldi intends to be the browser of choice for "internet power
>>>> users". I guess I fall into that category. The UI is definitely
>>>> optimized for net-savvy users; newbies might be overwhelmed by its
>>>> apparent bareness, and not discover the treasures hidden within.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a significant step forward in the evolution of the
>> browser.
>>>> Not to get too carried away, but I'm reminded of Stephen Jay Gould's
>>>> notion of Punctuated Equilibrium,a subtle but significant refinement
>>>> of Darwin's original hypothesis -- infinitesimal graduations until
>>>> suddenly there occurs a significant leap. Vivaldi might be a case in
>>>> point; a summation of what's gone before, a tweak here and there,
>>>> and suddenly, a whole new beast is born.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 14 02:18:26 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:18:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15843E8CD59A34E5B69498DBCA970@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

The Hyper-V Manager is as simple as can be. It even has a wizard to create a new VM in a few steps.

If you like, you can easily create shortcuts to the VMs as I have shown here:

    https://rdsrc.us/ApUzHf

However, the normal and recommended method to connect to a VM is Remote Desktop, indeed for long term usage.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 14. april 2016 04:46
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

I use VMWare Player to create VMs for testing apps in different versions of office.  Is there any advantage to me using Hyper-V. Looks like it may be more complicated and more power than I need.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur and Gustav:

I can confirm this. Hyper-V uses a lot less overhead than either VirtualBox or VMware. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 4:52:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur

Hyper-V is included in all versions of Windows 10 except the Home version:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

You select it to be installed under "Turn Windows features on or off".

We have a lot of VMs running using the old free VMware server. They run extremely stable but I move them bit by bit to Hyper-V which is a little easier to manage. I've done any comparison as such.

/gustav


Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2016 13:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Gustav,

I've never used Hyper-V, only Oracle VirtualBox. Have you or anyone else reading this ever done a side-by-side comparison?

I run Windows 10. Is Hyper-V already included, or is it a separate download?
If it's included, how do I install it? If it's a download, I guess I can Google for a download site.

Thanks,
/Arthur

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.
>
> If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full 
> Windows server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It 
> is snap to install.
>
> /gustav 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 03:51:19 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 04:51:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15843E8CD59A34E5B69498DBCA970@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15843E8CD59A34E5B69498DBCA970@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gMFAvp_B5QkrG1gsnYz=i3Cv_z2Mxp7JWBtBURMx0hTg@mail.gmail.com>

Damn! I guess that my version of Windows 10 is the Home version. I can't
see a listing for Hyper-V in the "turn Windows features on or off" list. So
I guess I'm stuck with VirtualBox.

Arthur
?

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 14 07:53:12 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:53:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15843E8CD59A34E5B69498DBCA970@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15843E8CD59A34E5B69498DBCA970@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <46740D241F5644CB933D905945A892CB@HAL9007>

Gustav:

Thanks for that.  My experience with VM Player is that it was very easy to
use, but the response time is a lot slower than native mode. (I'm running
3+GHz i7 with an SSD and 8GB Ram). Think it would be the same with Hyper-V
or faster?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Rocky

The Hyper-V Manager is as simple as can be. It even has a wizard to create a
new VM in a few steps.

If you like, you can easily create shortcuts to the VMs as I have shown
here:

    https://rdsrc.us/ApUzHf

However, the normal and recommended method to connect to a VM is Remote
Desktop, indeed for long term usage.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 14. april 2016 04:46
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

I use VMWare Player to create VMs for testing apps in different versions of
office.  Is there any advantage to me using Hyper-V. Looks like it may be
more complicated and more power than I need.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur and Gustav:

I can confirm this. Hyper-V uses a lot less overhead than either VirtualBox
or VMware. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 4:52:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur

Hyper-V is included in all versions of Windows 10 except the Home version:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

You select it to be installed under "Turn Windows features on or off".

We have a lot of VMs running using the old free VMware server. They run
extremely stable but I move them bit by bit to Hyper-V which is a little
easier to manage. I've done any comparison as such.

/gustav


Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2016 13:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Gustav,

I've never used Hyper-V, only Oracle VirtualBox. Have you or anyone else
reading this ever done a side-by-side comparison?

I run Windows 10. Is Hyper-V already included, or is it a separate download?
If it's included, how do I install it? If it's a download, I guess I can
Google for a download site.

Thanks,
/Arthur

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.
>
> If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full 
> Windows server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It 
> is snap to install.
>
> /gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 14 08:04:55 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:04:55 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584DDC0BC1A65B72E2C31FACA970@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

It runs pretty much the same, except if it is very disk intensive and that disk is a vhd on a physical drive. If the data drive is a network drive or an SSD, there isn't much of a difference.
For fast database activity like SQL Server you should attach a dedicated physical or an iSCSI connected "physical" disk.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 14. april 2016 14:53
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Gustav:

Thanks for that.  My experience with VM Player is that it was very easy to use, but the response time is a lot slower than native mode. (I'm running
3+GHz i7 with an SSD and 8GB Ram). Think it would be the same with 
3+Hyper-V
or faster?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Rocky

The Hyper-V Manager is as simple as can be. It even has a wizard to create a new VM in a few steps.

If you like, you can easily create shortcuts to the VMs as I have shown
here:

    https://rdsrc.us/ApUzHf

However, the normal and recommended method to connect to a VM is Remote Desktop, indeed for long term usage.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 14. april 2016 04:46
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

I use VMWare Player to create VMs for testing apps in different versions of office.  Is there any advantage to me using Hyper-V. Looks like it may be more complicated and more power than I need.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur and Gustav:

I can confirm this. Hyper-V uses a lot less overhead than either VirtualBox or VMware. 

Jim 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 14 10:18:52 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:18:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another ransomware cracked
In-Reply-To: <00d901d194e0$668d5aa0$33a80fe0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00d901d194e0$668d5aa0$33a80fe0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <570FB4DC.9000907@torchlake.com>

Thank you, John - good information.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/12/16 1:26 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> For those waiting for the hostage rescue team:
>
> http://www.techworld.com.au/article/597722/experts-crack-petya-ransomware-enable-hard-drive-decryption-free/
>
>   
>
> good luck!
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 15 23:08:27 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 22:08:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gMFAvp_B5QkrG1gsnYz=i3Cv_z2Mxp7JWBtBURMx0hTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1613323767.2681256.1460779707049.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Of course if you also have a Linux box, say Ubuntu and you computer has hardware virtual capabilities...not all 64bit hardware does...you will then have a host of choices as well as Hyper-Visor capabilities.

If you are going the Linux direction, I would recommend KVM route. It is the originator of all Virtualization. Hyper-V, VirtualBox, VMWare and Docker with its Containers, all had their origins from this implementation. It is by far the fastest, definitely leanest and it has functionality the goes beyond a single OS. Check out the following install explanation:

http://bit.ly/1SkO61x 

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 1:51:19 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Damn! I guess that my version of Windows 10 is the Home version. I can't
see a listing for Hyper-V in the "turn Windows features on or off" list. So
I guess I'm stuck with VirtualBox.

Arthur
?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 16 12:11:33 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:11:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <9608ABD408634D43ADFEAA6DC8497A74@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1198944552.2973909.1460826693059.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hyper-V is a leaner and faster version of our standard virtualizers VMWare and VirtualBox.
 
If you want to run or test many virtual file systems. Microsoft has a free Hyper-V server that anyone can download and install. To my understanding, it only comes with a command line interface but there are a number of front-end GUIs, that third parties have created, that can be installed with it. Further and more accurate details would have to come from someone like Gustav.

It might be a bit of an over-kill but if you have the time to play and want to have an very easy solution to running multiple VFSystems (after all the hard initial setup stuff is done), it might be the way to go.

Aside: Coming down the pipe are Containers via a company called Docker. When a VFS (virtual file system) is created and an application is installed, a Container can be generated and hundreds of clone can run up in minutes. These containers can also be distributed on any OS and its applications can be run. Supposedly, it will eliminate the problem of trying to get programs running on some other computer as it runs in its own very little static virtual world. It has been hard coded into the core of the Linux kernel for last twenty years and is known as KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine) but Microsoft is now embracing the technology, as well... Currently, the company Docker is on contract with Microsoft to build an acceptable Windows version. MS's problem is that the tech will allow thousands of copies of any of their products, to be distributed and with no enforceable authentication or license fees... Note: the Hyper-V server, from Microsoft, is their first venture into KVM technology but as the tech is licensed as open source, Microsoft can not sell it.

Jim      

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:45:53 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

I use VMWare Player to create VMs for testing apps in different versions of
office.  Is there any advantage to me using Hyper-V. Looks like it may be
more complicated and more power than I need.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur and Gustav:

I can confirm this. Hyper-V uses a lot less overhead than either VirtualBox
or VMware. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 4:52:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur

Hyper-V is included in all versions of Windows 10 except the Home version:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

You select it to be installed under "Turn Windows features on or off".

We have a lot of VMs running using the old free VMware server. They run
extremely stable but I move them bit by bit to Hyper-V which is a little
easier to manage. I've done any comparison as such.

/gustav


Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 9. april 2016 13:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Gustav,

I've never used Hyper-V, only Oracle VirtualBox. Have you or anyone else
reading this ever done a side-by-side comparison?

I run Windows 10. Is Hyper-V already included, or is it a separate download?
If it's included, how do I install it? If it's a download, I guess I can
Google for a download site.

Thanks,
/Arthur

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, I didn't think of the 127 GB limit.
>
> If the client dislike Linux, and you have nothing to use a full 
> Windows server for, you can use the free Microsoft Hyper-V Server. It 
> is snap to install.
>
> /gustav

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 06:19:58 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 07:19:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <1198944552.2973909.1460826693059.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <9608ABD408634D43ADFEAA6DC8497A74@HAL9007>
	<1198944552.2973909.1460826693059.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jd875ENU7nBvp29VUpW2j1LRE0c0hm_On9+vC73eDGiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Two questions:
1. From whence can the free Hyper-V be downloaded?
2. Will it work on Windows 10 Home?

Arthur
?

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 17 07:19:54 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:19:54 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158498EB9876F4E8F4684695CA6A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

Info is here:

    https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh833684.aspx

Download is here:

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2012-r2

The Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is a ?bare metal? install. No Windows.

/gustav

Fra: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 17. april 2016 13:20
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Jim,

Two questions:
1. From whence can the free Hyper-V be downloaded?
2. Will it work on Windows 10 Home?

Arthur


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 13:14:33 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:14:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jd875ENU7nBvp29VUpW2j1LRE0c0hm_On9+vC73eDGiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2055939544.3527747.1460916873256.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

I have installed a Microsoft Hyper-V server before but never as a feature on any Windows desktop machines. That said, according to the attached link, here is the method to install it:

http://bit.ly/1MBxkZX

I have not checked whether this can be installed on a HOME edition of Windows 10 or whether this is just a client version? (Why there would be a client version totally escapes me but...)

HTH
Jm

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Jim,

Two questions:
1. From whence can the free Hyper-V be downloaded?
2. Will it work on Windows 10 Home?

Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 13:18:19 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:18:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <2055939544.3527747.1460916873256.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1jd875ENU7nBvp29VUpW2j1LRE0c0hm_On9+vC73eDGiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2055939544.3527747.1460916873256.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g8xApL5vOMfgXZK+5-F1gepUTHCLkT0LDb--QVw=G3Yw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

>From what I have gathered from your previous links is that I first need to
acquire a suitable box to dedicate to this task. Not a large problem,
despite limited resources, and also an intriguing solution to the overall
home-network experience. I have to wait until pay-day to see what remnants
are left after cat-food and various other debts, but there may possibly be
enough left to take this step.

A.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> I have installed a Microsoft Hyper-V server before but never as a feature
> on any Windows desktop machines. That said, according to the attached link,
> here is the method to install it:
>
> http://bit.ly/1MBxkZX
>
> I have not checked whether this can be installed on a HOME edition of
> Windows 10 or whether this is just a client version? (Why there would be a
> client version totally escapes me but...)
>
> HTH
> Jm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
>
> Jim,
>
> Two questions:
> 1. From whence can the free Hyper-V be downloaded?
> 2. Will it work on Windows 10 Home?
>
> Arthur
> ?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 13:34:19 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:34:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jd875ENU7nBvp29VUpW2j1LRE0c0hm_On9+vC73eDGiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2068667309.3536569.1460918059461.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

PS to my last reply post:

Quote from MS:

"...Operating System Requirements

The Hyper-V role can be enabled on these versions of Windows 10:

    Windows 10 Enterprise
    Windows 10 Professional
    Windows 10 Education

The Hyper-V role cannot be installed on:

    Windows 10 Home
    Windows 10 Mobile
    Windows 10 Mobile Enterprise

    Windows 10 Home edition can be upgraded to Windows 10 Professional. To do so open up Settings > Update and Security > Activation. Here you can visit the store and purchase an upgrade."


So you will have to upgrade your version of Windows 10. I think the cost is $100 US.  (IMHO, Why any company would sell a dramatically crippled version of their product is beyond me.)

You have checked to see whether your computer has virtualization or has it enabled?:

http://bit.ly/23Ge1WR

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Jim,

Two questions:
1. From whence can the free Hyper-V be downloaded?
2. Will it work on Windows 10 Home?

Arthur
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 18 01:42:24 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 06:42:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB1573B3BC24E01C0583D38A5ACA6B0@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

You are confused ...

Microsoft Hyper-V Server is a stripped down (free) Windows Server with the sole purpose to service the Hyper-V role. Versions are 2008, 2012, 2012 R2, and 2016 Preview. It is a bare metal install requiring nothing but capable hardware. Other than the Hyper-V role, it offers only little, most importantly though, you can enable Windows Backup which features bare-metal recovery.

The Hyper-V role is a selectable feature you can switch on in all current Windows versions except the Home and Mobile versions you list in the other post.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 17. april 2016 20:15
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur:

I have installed a Microsoft Hyper-V server before but never as a feature on any Windows desktop machines. That said, according to the attached link, here is the method to install it:

http://bit.ly/1MBxkZX

I have not checked whether this can be installed on a HOME edition of Windows 10 or whether this is just a client version? (Why there would be a client version totally escapes me but...)

HTH
Jm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Jim,

Two questions:
1. From whence can the free Hyper-V be downloaded?
2. Will it work on Windows 10 Home?

Arthur 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 18 11:59:49 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:59:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] CKEditor
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158498EB9876F4E8F4684695CA6A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <588831988.4148138.1460998789937.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

For the last couple weeks, at least in the evenings, I have been working with the CKEditor (a web based word processor for web pages) and have found it incredible. I wish that this product had been available when I was working full-time on web designing. I know there are products like Google Docs and 365 Word out there but this product is completely stand allow. 

It is fully open source though there is a premium addition for download and that gives you access to support, training and a full licence to distribute the code to any commercial site.   

It supports all major languages, three versions of English, even colloquial American ;-), it of course supports German, Danish, Russian and has full spell checking capabilities built in.

Forms, iframes or div tags can be used to define the section of the web page in which the editor will manage. The editing regions can be completely controlled, layout, plug-ins, backgrounds, font access, embedded scripts and scripting capabilities through configurations file js/css either globally or per page. Access to the editing features can/are of course can be strictly controlled and standardized through a login rights, local configuration files or via central editing locations. 

This editor runs on all html5 websites or it can run on extended ASP.Net site or full Java sites.

My description of the product is limited, as in each day worked on it, I discover yet another few features and capabilities. If the application sounds like something you could use for yourself or for a customers the CKEditor can be downloaded from:

Download: http://ckeditor.com/download

The documentation is extensive. There are online docs of course, implementation overviews on best practices, demos along with code samples and a full SDK download that will allow anyone to quickly assemble fully functioning sites. In addition, this application is fully current, with a team of full-time developers, regular updates, over-night builds to test the latest features and a full bug management system and even an offer to any senior developer that wishes to contribute to the project.  

Installation guides: http://docs.ckeditor.com/#!/guide/dev_installation

How to use: http://ckeditor.com/demo#div

As the source code is accessible the product has the potential to be extended by incorporating it with other programs. As soon as I have this editor installed and fully functional, on my client's site then, time allowing, I have a project or two in mind...   
 
Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 18 12:07:56 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:07:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Cloud is changing
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158498EB9876F4E8F4684695CA6A0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1291166722.4157436.1460999276522.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

It seems that the efforts the Microsoft has been making to be included in the main-stream internet and Cloud based world has been paying off. According to one of the latest poll, it indicates that Microsoft's Azure has surpassed AWS in popularity. This has not translated into a larger percentage of the market, yet, but the potential is there.

http://tek.io/1Snz4Fo

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 18 13:15:10 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:15:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB1573B3BC24E01C0583D38A5ACA6B0@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1294839781.4243814.1461003310386.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Did I not say that? Sorry for any confusion... I did provide further clarification in a follow up post. 

I have had a Hyper-V server installed on a box at one time. I must admit I did also installed a GUI or  as I like to describe them, a "distro". As it was only a test server, which had only 8GB of RAM, it was eventually replaced with another test environment. I do also have a friend that runs a web-hosting site that exclusively uses Hyper-V servers to host his clients. (His servers have 32 and 64 GB of RAM.)

Arthur was asking if he could run hyper-visor technology on his Windows 10 computer and according to a link, he can. There is a clear separation between a open HV server and the desktop implementation. I have not tried or seen a desktop version running...just read about it. You did check out the link I provided, in this post?

If you have or are current using either the server version and/or the desktop version please provide some of your experiences.

Jim     

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 11:42:24 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Jim

You are confused ...

Microsoft Hyper-V Server is a stripped down (free) Windows Server with the sole purpose to service the Hyper-V role. Versions are 2008, 2012, 2012 R2, and 2016 Preview. It is a bare metal install requiring nothing but capable hardware. Other than the Hyper-V role, it offers only little, most importantly though, you can enable Windows Backup which features bare-metal recovery.

The Hyper-V role is a selectable feature you can switch on in all current Windows versions except the Home and Mobile versions you list in the other post.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 17. april 2016 20:15
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Hi Arthur:

I have installed a Microsoft Hyper-V server before but never as a feature on any Windows desktop machines. That said, according to the attached link, here is the method to install it:

http://bit.ly/1MBxkZX

I have not checked whether this can be installed on a HOME edition of Windows 10 or whether this is just a client version? (Why there would be a client version totally escapes me but...)

HTH
Jm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving and deleting files

Jim,

Two questions:
1. From whence can the free Hyper-V be downloaded?
2. Will it work on Windows 10 Home?

Arthur 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr 19 00:28:54 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:28:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Tab in form not working
Message-ID: <C0597912B64D414CA9C7AC45D3B6A9C0@HAL9007>

Dear List(s):
 
My app which has been working well in a variety of environments, suddenly
reports a problem in Windows 10 - the tab key doesn't move from field to
field at a client site.  They are using Windows 10. They can move using
Enter but tab does not move to the next field.
 
Bound form. mde compiled in 2003 and delivered in run-time using
Wise/Sagekey.
 
Any ideas?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-771-1869
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 20 13:25:57 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:25:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS SQL server
In-Reply-To: <588831988.4148138.1460998789937.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <2050012803.6035442.1461176757165.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Microsoft SQL Server Developer Edition is now free.

http://bit.ly/1STWWNZ

...In addition: SQL Server 2016 Developer Edition, when released later this year, will also be free. 

Now, will it run natively on Linux, as MS SQL is supposedly being ported, or will it require a VFS or emulator?

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 21 15:48:10 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:48:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new browser
In-Reply-To: <2050012803.6035442.1461176757165.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <997565855.7168235.1461271690542.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

QupZilla:
http://www.qupzilla.com/

Another browser? ...you may ask but this one has a particular purpose. It is super small and does not suck up RAM as if you system has a minimum of 8GB and all you computers are 64 bit. This application is great for running on your Raspberry Pi's...

For such a small application, it runs on all major platforms...even Windows10. ;-) See list of supported platforms: 
http://www.qupzilla.com/screenshots

It also supports all major languages. There are around fifty people working on development and language translations:

The program is completely written in C++ and is also Open Source:
http://www.qupzilla.com/about

The browser, QupZilla, can be downloaded from here:
http://www.qupzilla.com/download

Jim
 

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Fri Apr 22 08:13:45 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:13:45 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new browser
In-Reply-To: <997565855.7168235.1461271690542.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <2050012803.6035442.1461176757165.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<997565855.7168235.1461271690542.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A4CA8D@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Super small? I just gave it a try. I have Opera running with four tabs open and it's using 124 MB of Ram and QupZilla with one tab open and it's using 243 MB. Meanwhile IE with one tab is using just 65 MB.  All this on Windows 10.

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 4:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new browser

Hi All:

QupZilla:
http://www.qupzilla.com/

Another browser? ...you may ask but this one has a particular purpose. It is super small and does not suck up RAM as if you system has a minimum of 8GB and all you computers are 64 bit. This application is great for running on your Raspberry Pi's...

For such a small application, it runs on all major platforms...even Windows10. ;-) See list of supported platforms: 
http://www.qupzilla.com/screenshots

It also supports all major languages. There are around fifty people working on development and language translations:

The program is completely written in C++ and is also Open Source:
http://www.qupzilla.com/about

The browser, QupZilla, can be downloaded from here:
http://www.qupzilla.com/download

Jim
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 22 15:07:54 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:07:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new browser
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA862A4CA8D@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <2016457533.8170959.1461355674147.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Lambert:

It would be so nice if when a browser loaded, it stayed at or at least stayed close to its initial resource consumption. My experiences with Fire Fox and Chrome is that they will slowly eat up any amount of memory and use any amount of CPU cycles, if they reside in memory long enough. Having these applications suck up 2GB of RAM and 45 percent of the CPU is not unusual.

I have no idea of IEs memory usage as I have not used any version for a good five years... (I use it only for downloading and installing Firefox or Chrome. ;-)). I have been using the latest Opera version though, called Vivaldi and have been quite impressed with its features...whether it is a pig or not...the court is still out. I will have to wait and see but at first blush, it does uses a lot of resources but it appears to relinquish them quickly without leaving any artefacts.   

I have been running QupZilla on a Raspberry PI3 and after leaving the browser running for a couple of days, with about 10 sites open, it is using a fraction of the memory used by either FF or Chrome. Both these afore mentioned browsers eventually froze up the PI...because neither was designed to run in such a restrictive environment. Fortunately, I could just go in via the terminal and kill their processes.

It will take a few more weeks of testing before the final stamp of approval can be given to the QupZilla browser but for the moment I am very impressed with its simplicity and lean usage of system resources. 

Jim
  
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lambert Heenan" <Lambert.Heenan at aig.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:13:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new browser

Super small? I just gave it a try. I have Opera running with four tabs open and it's using 124 MB of Ram and QupZilla with one tab open and it's using 243 MB. Meanwhile IE with one tab is using just 65 MB.  All this on Windows 10.

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 4:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new browser

Hi All:

QupZilla:
http://www.qupzilla.com/

Another browser? ...you may ask but this one has a particular purpose. It is super small and does not suck up RAM as if you system has a minimum of 8GB and all you computers are 64 bit. This application is great for running on your Raspberry Pi's...

For such a small application, it runs on all major platforms...even Windows10. ;-) See list of supported platforms: 
http://www.qupzilla.com/screenshots

It also supports all major languages. There are around fifty people working on development and language translations:

The program is completely written in C++ and is also Open Source:
http://www.qupzilla.com/about

The browser, QupZilla, can be downloaded from here:
http://www.qupzilla.com/download

Jim
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 22 21:51:47 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:51:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <2050012803.6035442.1461176757165.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976658139.8518116.1461379907370.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers. 

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line. 

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least. 

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI. 

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.   

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.     

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 22 23:10:32 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 23:10:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <976658139.8518116.1461379907370.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <976658139.8518116.1461379907370.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <9f797061-6feb-b358-b596-da52ff9b87fa@earthlink.net>

On 4/22/2016 21:51, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan 
Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639.

PB

-----
>
> An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.
>
> Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.
>
> There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.
>
> Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."
>
> The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.
>
> A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.
>
> If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.
>
> Check it all out at: https://open365.io/
>
> In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 22 23:24:53 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 22:24:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <9f797061-6feb-b358-b596-da52ff9b87fa@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1223768260.8575519.1461385493644.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hmmm... That is very interesting. "...Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639" 

Where do you find that? I'll report immediately.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

On 4/22/2016 21:51, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan 
Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639.

PB

-----
>
> An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.
>
> Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.
>
> There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.
>
> Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."
>
> The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.
>
> A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.
>
> If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.
>
> Check it all out at: https://open365.io/
>
> In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.
>
> Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr 23 01:50:20 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 06:50:20 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <976658139.8518116.1461379907370.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <2050012803.6035442.1461176757165.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>,
	<976658139.8518116.1461379907370.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A41D3F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Where do they store the data I.e which country
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 03:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 23 09:19:55 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:19:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <1223768260.8575519.1461385493644.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1223768260.8575519.1461385493644.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <775d280c-115f-2f96-ea64-49a47f24b016@earthlink.net>

On 4/22/2016 23:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hmmm... That is very interesting. "...Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639"
>
> Where do you find that? I'll report immediately.

Downloaded the .msi, ran it, and BD found it one one of the DLLs.

PB


>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365
>
> On 4/22/2016 21:51, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.
> Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan
> Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>> An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.
>>
>> Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.
>>
>> There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.
>>
>> Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."
>>
>> The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.
>>
>> A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.
>>
>> If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.
>>
>> Check it all out at: https://open365.io/
>>
>> In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 23 09:44:15 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:44:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <976658139.8518116.1461379907370.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <976658139.8518116.1461379907370.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <c856a451-addb-effa-a343-0ce652582081@earthlink.net>

Jim

BD reports the trojan in bin/qt5core.dll.

PB

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 12:31:58 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:31:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A41D3F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1676667935.8983180.1461432718338.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere: 
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS: 
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is: 
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:50:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Where do they store the data I.e which country
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 03:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr 23 13:00:21 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:00:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <1676667935.8983180.1461432718338.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A41D3F@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<1676667935.8983180.1461432718338.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A421DD@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Lot of concerns here about data held in usa.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 18:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere:
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS:
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:50:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Where do they store the data I.e which country
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 03:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 13:31:54 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:31:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <775d280c-115f-2f96-ea64-49a47f24b016@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1517650724.9069310.1461436314559.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

Please forward the message and it will be posted to the development team. It seems that someone must have hacked the Windows installer code. Probably someone from Microsoft. ;-) 

My daughter and I already have the browser version up and running and did some play testing with a spreadsheet this morning. Lots of fun. (My daughter has a Mac and I have Linux so we never ran into an issue installing the client. She is now making up a calender for whole family. :-)

I have signed up for the server version and a friend's company is already very interested...so it appears that the application is off to a tentative start. Before I dare roll this out to a client, I will have to be very sure how everything works so just another evening project. Additionally I will have to carefully monitor the forums for any issues or additional documentation. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:19:55 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

On 4/22/2016 23:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hmmm... That is very interesting. "...Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639"
>
> Where do you find that? I'll report immediately.

Downloaded the .msi, ran it, and BD found it one one of the DLLs.

PB


>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365
>
> On 4/22/2016 21:51, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.
> Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan
> Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>> An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.
>>
>> Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.
>>
>> There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.
>>
>> Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."
>>
>> The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.
>>
>> A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.
>>
>> If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.
>>
>> Check it all out at: https://open365.io/
>>
>> In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 13:33:25 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:33:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <c856a451-addb-effa-a343-0ce652582081@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1283618486.9071840.1461436405911.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

Thanks for the info...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:44:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Jim

BD reports the trojan in bin/qt5core.dll.

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 23 13:54:02 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:54:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <1517650724.9069310.1461436314559.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1517650724.9069310.1461436314559.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <8d229ed2-4b09-6225-dd17-4baeea2888c2@earthlink.net>

On 4/23/2016 13:31, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Please forward the message and it will be posted to the development team.

Good idea but where's a link to them?

There are other problems, eg the download link you gave elicits ...

This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated 
with it. The document tree is shown below.
<Error>
<Code>AccessDenied</Code>
<Message>Access Denied</Message>
<RequestId>BCA1C307AB1B3489</RequestId>
<HostId>
xGzg3dQ/xfK4TC9wMGVGTceGnC+ATdXZl1XHc6yJMBbU2qF5b6GWu/LP/dTEWbn5znI5ndiQo0I=
</HostId>
</Error>


PB

-----
> It seems that someone must have hacked the Windows installer code. Probably someone from Microsoft. ;-)
>
> My daughter and I already have the browser version up and running and did some play testing with a spreadsheet this morning. Lots of fun. (My daughter has a Mac and I have Linux so we never ran into an issue installing the client. She is now making up a calender for whole family. :-)
>
> I have signed up for the server version and a friend's company is already very interested...so it appears that the application is off to a tentative start. Before I dare roll this out to a client, I will have to be very sure how everything works so just another evening project. Additionally I will have to carefully monitor the forums for any issues or additional documentation.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:19:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365
>
> On 4/22/2016 23:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hmmm... That is very interesting. "...Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639"
>>
>> Where do you find that? I'll report immediately.
> Downloaded the .msi, ran it, and BD found it one one of the DLLs.
>
> PB
>
>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:10:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365
>>
>> On 4/22/2016 21:51, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.
>> Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan
>> Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639.
>>
>> PB
>>
>> -----
>>> An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.
>>>
>>> Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.
>>>
>>> There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.
>>>
>>> Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."
>>>
>>> The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.
>>>
>>> A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.
>>>
>>> If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.
>>>
>>> Check it all out at: https://open365.io/
>>>
>>> In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 13:56:48 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:56:48 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A421DD@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <92893930.9112064.1461437808828.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I don't blame you...

But as I understand it...Amazon's AWS is regionalized. That means, to me, that a client from one region has their access information and data stored locally at the closest Amazon Cloud farm. There appears to be a zone in Ireland and in Frankfurt.

This is of course why I look forward to reviewing the server model where it can be hosted and monitored locally.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:00:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Lot of concerns here about data held in usa.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 18:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere:
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS:
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:50:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Where do they store the data I.e which country
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 03:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr 23 14:05:38 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 19:05:38 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <92893930.9112064.1461437808828.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A421DD@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<92893930.9112064.1461437808828.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A4238B@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Key is can you choose where you data is when you install the product. Biggest issue is the on going case in USA with Microsoft re data held in Ireland. Could be massive issues if they lost that case.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 19:57
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I don't blame you...

But as I understand it...Amazon's AWS is regionalized. That means, to me, that a client from one region has their access information and data stored locally at the closest Amazon Cloud farm. There appears to be a zone in Ireland and in Frankfurt.

This is of course why I look forward to reviewing the server model where it can be hosted and monitored locally.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:00:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Lot of concerns here about data held in usa.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 18:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere:
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS:
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:50:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Where do they store the data I.e which country
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 03:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 14:13:45 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:13:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <8d229ed2-4b09-6225-dd17-4baeea2888c2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1203678516.9138437.1461438824990.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

There is direct mail support but it seems that the forum might be the best place to post any errors or issues:
http://support.open365.io/index.php/en/forum

I have requested a direct email address for reporting bugs and hope to receive a reply soon. I will pass that address on to you.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:54:02 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

On 4/23/2016 13:31, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Please forward the message and it will be posted to the development team.

Good idea but where's a link to them?

There are other problems, eg the download link you gave elicits ...

This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated 
with it. The document tree is shown below.
<Error>
<Code>AccessDenied</Code>
<Message>Access Denied</Message>
<RequestId>BCA1C307AB1B3489</RequestId>
<HostId>
xGzg3dQ/xfK4TC9wMGVGTceGnC+ATdXZl1XHc6yJMBbU2qF5b6GWu/LP/dTEWbn5znI5ndiQo0I=
</HostId>
</Error>


PB

-----
> It seems that someone must have hacked the Windows installer code. Probably someone from Microsoft. ;-)
>
> My daughter and I already have the browser version up and running and did some play testing with a spreadsheet this morning. Lots of fun. (My daughter has a Mac and I have Linux so we never ran into an issue installing the client. She is now making up a calender for whole family. :-)
>
> I have signed up for the server version and a friend's company is already very interested...so it appears that the application is off to a tentative start. Before I dare roll this out to a client, I will have to be very sure how everything works so just another evening project. Additionally I will have to carefully monitor the forums for any issues or additional documentation.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:19:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365
>
> On 4/22/2016 23:24, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hmmm... That is very interesting. "...Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639"
>>
>> Where do you find that? I'll report immediately.
> Downloaded the .msi, ran it, and BD found it one one of the DLLs.
>
> PB
>
>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:10:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365
>>
>> On 4/22/2016 21:51, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.
>> Unfortunately BitDefender finds that "much more" includes the trojan
>> Gen:Variant.Graftor.5639.
>>
>> PB
>>
>> -----
>>> An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.
>>>
>>> Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.
>>>
>>> There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.
>>>
>>> Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."
>>>
>>> The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.
>>>
>>> A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.
>>>
>>> If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.
>>>
>>> Check it all out at: https://open365.io/
>>>
>>> In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 14:54:37 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:54:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A4238B@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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Yes, I have been watching that case carefully...there are so many potential negative ramifications.

We are in the preliminary stages of planning a Europe vacation and I have taken the extraordinary caution of creating a protonmail acount, a telegram messaging account, an encrypted VPN account and built a Raspberry PI router, that uses a SPI firewall. I know it is a little over-the-top but its good practice. ;-)

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:05:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Key is can you choose where you data is when you install the product. Biggest issue is the on going case in USA with Microsoft re data held in Ireland. Could be massive issues if they lost that case.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 19:57
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I don't blame you...

But as I understand it...Amazon's AWS is regionalized. That means, to me, that a client from one region has their access information and data stored locally at the closest Amazon Cloud farm. There appears to be a zone in Ireland and in Frankfurt.

This is of course why I look forward to reviewing the server model where it can be hosted and monitored locally.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:00:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Lot of concerns here about data held in usa.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 18:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere:
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS:
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:50:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Where do they store the data I.e which country
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 03:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Apr 23 15:22:14 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:22:14 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <1193856079.9193995.1461441277431.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A4238B@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<1193856079.9193995.1461441277431.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A424EC@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Just a little

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 20:55
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Yes, I have been watching that case carefully...there are so many potential negative ramifications.

We are in the preliminary stages of planning a Europe vacation and I have taken the extraordinary caution of creating a protonmail acount, a telegram messaging account, an encrypted VPN account and built a Raspberry PI router, that uses a SPI firewall. I know it is a little over-the-top but its good practice. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:05:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Key is can you choose where you data is when you install the product. Biggest issue is the on going case in USA with Microsoft re data held in Ireland. Could be massive issues if they lost that case.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 19:57
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I don't blame you...

But as I understand it...Amazon's AWS is regionalized. That means, to me, that a client from one region has their access information and data stored locally at the closest Amazon Cloud farm. There appears to be a zone in Ireland and in Frankfurt.

This is of course why I look forward to reviewing the server model where it can be hosted and monitored locally.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:00:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Lot of concerns here about data held in usa.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 18:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere:
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS:
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:50:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Where do they store the data I.e which country
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 03:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi All:

Now anyone can have or use their own online, Cloudbased or intranet fully collaborative 365 office suite. Teams from the following companies assembled this package; LibreOffice (the full office package, word, spreadsheet, so on), with Seafile (super fast internet syncing engine), KDE (Scalable Vector Graphics), ownCloud tech and much more.

An owner and operator of this new suite has many choices. The suite can be remotely hosted, managed by local staff via internal servers and/or company Cloud servers.

Like Google docs and Microsoft's 365 Office suite, all the packages are collaborative or can be used by a single person. All Microsoft data protocol standards are used and can be managed and can be swapped back and forth. There is a full suite of online software for file and user managing, sharing deployment and saving. As the LibreOffice suite package has a fully operational desktop suite when off-line, the Office can be used....and then just synced up when back on line.

There is no question that this product is a direct challenge against Microsoft's domination in the office suite market...Microsoft's largest money stream. Just naming the application Open365 is a bit cheeky to say the least.

Quote from the developer: "Open365 is 100% open source. You can download it and deploy to your own servers or use it online for free."

The server is in its finally development and testing phase but the client is already available for online hosting and group collaborative efforts. Of course it runs on all operating systems, supports around 40 languages and the online version runs on all browsers and virtually all platforms (PCs, tablets and smartphones...sorry no Windows phone support support...yet).  PS: I have even run the client up on a Raspberry PI.

A reddit link claims the Github effort, in creating Open365, has assembled and used over a thousand techs, from all over the world. If you are a larger company with a healthy tech budget this may not seem particularly important but if you are any large or small public enterprises, schools, universities, municipalities, small businesses, or charitable organizations, the potential of saving around $70US per year, per person might be attractive.

If you wish to try it out, you can download the client from https://open365.io/download.html/, be remotely hosted and sign up for the full server beta edition.

Check it all out at: https://open365.io/

In summary: How big is this challenge to Microsoft? Who knows but regardless, MS can not ignore this so both products Office365 and Open365 will only improve.

Jim
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 24 01:47:08 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 06:47:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A424EC@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A4238B@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<1193856079.9193995.1461441277431.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>,
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC75A424EC@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158450ACED90EE16380482BFCA610@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Martin and Jim

Ah, good weekend humour! 

On the other hand, you sleep well when you know your pictures of "Tour Eiffel", "Den lille havfrue", and "Berliner Siegess?ule" will be kept safe from malicious eyes.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Sendt: 23. april 2016 22:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Just a little

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 20:55
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Yes, I have been watching that case carefully...there are so many potential negative ramifications.

We are in the preliminary stages of planning a Europe vacation and I have taken the extraordinary caution of creating a protonmail acount, a telegram messaging account, an encrypted VPN account and built a Raspberry PI router, that uses a SPI firewall. I know it is a little over-the-top but its good practice. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:05:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Key is can you choose where you data is when you install the product. Biggest issue is the on going case in USA with Microsoft re data held in Ireland. Could be massive issues if they lost that case.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 19:57
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I don't blame you...

But as I understand it...Amazon's AWS is regionalized. That means, to me, that a client from one region has their access information and data stored locally at the closest Amazon Cloud farm. There appears to be a zone in Ireland and in Frankfurt.

This is of course why I look forward to reviewing the server model where it can be hosted and monitored locally.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:00:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Lot of concerns here about data held in usa.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 18:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere:
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS:
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 24 13:37:21 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:37:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open365
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158450ACED90EE16380482BFCA610@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <410849623.9704463.1461523041077.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Definitely. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:47:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Hi Martin and Jim

Ah, good weekend humour! 

On the other hand, you sleep well when you know your pictures of "Tour Eiffel", "Den lille havfrue", and "Berliner Siegess?ule" will be kept safe from malicious eyes.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Sendt: 23. april 2016 22:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Just a little

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 20:55
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Yes, I have been watching that case carefully...there are so many potential negative ramifications.

We are in the preliminary stages of planning a Europe vacation and I have taken the extraordinary caution of creating a protonmail acount, a telegram messaging account, an encrypted VPN account and built a Raspberry PI router, that uses a SPI firewall. I know it is a little over-the-top but its good practice. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:05:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Key is can you choose where you data is when you install the product. Biggest issue is the on going case in USA with Microsoft re data held in Ireland. Could be massive issues if they lost that case.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 19:57
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I don't blame you...

But as I understand it...Amazon's AWS is regionalized. That means, to me, that a client from one region has their access information and data stored locally at the closest Amazon Cloud farm. There appears to be a zone in Ireland and in Frankfurt.

This is of course why I look forward to reviewing the server model where it can be hosted and monitored locally.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:00:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

Lot of concerns here about data held in usa.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?23/?04/?2016 18:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open365

I think the online server(s) are sources via Amazon Cloud service.

Just did a quick check for the Open365.io and it was registered at Amazon (AWS), so its real physical location could be anywhere:
http://whois.domaintools.com/open365.io

According to Amazon's general description of AWS:
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The registered owner of this site is:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Garcia-Mil?

Jim

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 16:45:48 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 17:45:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] kindle for android proscan
Message-ID: <000401d19f3b$d58030d0$80809270$@gmail.com>

I have an older Proscan tablet that uses 4.1.1 Android Jelly Bean. I'm
trying to find a kindle app for it, but can't. This should be easy - Amazon
tells me the version they have won't run on my system. A general google
search turned up a lot of questions, but no answers. I know it's old, but
I'm old and I'm still running. J Okay. I walk. 

 

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 07:25:33 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:25:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Word template work
In-Reply-To: <001b01d19fb6$a5565da0$f00318e0$@gmail.com>
References: <001b01d19fb6$a5565da0$f00318e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01d19fb6$bb5acf50$32106df0$@gmail.com>

 

I have a reader interested in hiring a Word expert to create some templates.
I have a rough draft of their spec sheet - they're just starting the
process. Let me know if you'd like the spec sheet and the reader's contact
info. 

 

Susan H 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Apr 26 11:58:28 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:58:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] kindle for android proscan
In-Reply-To: <000401d19f3b$d58030d0$80809270$@gmail.com>
References: <000401d19f3b$d58030d0$80809270$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <031401d19fdc$db69a390$923ceab0$@winhaven.net>

Kind of surprised that Amazon doesn't offer it since its free and they make
their money off of the books you buy for it not the software. Maybe their
support could help you?

But in general, this unfortunately this is one of the problems with cloud
based, only can get software through our "stores" software like android and
apple stores, they rarely leave old versions on. You would probably have to
search for someone who kept a copy of the old version and get it directly
from them and side load it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 4:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] kindle for android proscan

I have an older Proscan tablet that uses 4.1.1 Android Jelly Bean. I'm
trying to find a kindle app for it, but can't. This should be easy - Amazon
tells me the version they have won't run on my system. A general google
search turned up a lot of questions, but no answers. I know it's old, but
I'm old and I'm still running. J Okay. I walk. 

 

Susan H. 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Apr 26 12:23:23 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:23:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Word template work
In-Reply-To: <002b01d19fb6$bb5acf50$32106df0$@gmail.com>
References: <001b01d19fb6$a5565da0$f00318e0$@gmail.com>
	<002b01d19fb6$bb5acf50$32106df0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571FA40B.8000308@torchlake.com>

Would like to look at the specs.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 04/26/16 8:25 AM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>   
>
> I have a reader interested in hiring a Word expert to create some templates.
> I have a rough draft of their spec sheet - they're just starting the
> process. Let me know if you'd like the spec sheet and the reader's contact
> info.
>
>   
>
> Susan H
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 17:00:29 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:00:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] kindle for android proscan
In-Reply-To: <031401d19fdc$db69a390$923ceab0$@winhaven.net>
References: <000401d19f3b$d58030d0$80809270$@gmail.com>
	<031401d19fdc$db69a390$923ceab0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <010601d1a007$0caf10f0$260d32d0$@gmail.com>

I checked Amazon and couldn't find one that didn't get an error message for
downloading the wrong version for the device. It's Android, but old and
that's probably the problem. 

Susan H. 


Kind of surprised that Amazon doesn't offer it since its free and they make
their money off of the books you buy for it not the software. Maybe their
support could help you?

But in general, this unfortunately this is one of the problems with cloud
based, only can get software through our "stores" software like android and
apple stores, they rarely leave old versions on. You would probably have to
search for someone who kept a copy of the old version and get it directly
from them and side load it.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 30 02:39:17 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 07:39:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Flow
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158435E661AE18A1C69DF18ACA670@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Microsoft has silently launched in preview a new and free service: Flow

    http://flow.microsoft.com/

It can automate actions between many on-line services including quite a few non-MS services.
Looks interesting. Wonder if I can find some time to play with it.

/gustav