From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 01:29:27 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 00:29:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <838618520.42345835.1469812422024.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1979920554.45403593.1470205767867.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.

http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download

Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?

Jim

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 08:14:36 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:14:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <1979920554.45403593.1470205767867.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <838618520.42345835.1469812422024.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<1979920554.45403593.1470205767867.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?

B

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>
> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>
> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 15:53:31 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 14:53:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux capability
In-Reply-To: <838618520.42345835.1469812422024.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1656877140.45922148.1470257611000.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

For those are moving or have moved to a Linux distro as their main platform and have a specific Windows/Apple packages that you wish to run or if the effort to setup a WINE instance or compile locally is too daunting, here is the one stop solution. The package CrossOver has been around for many years, before every application developer was trying to create apps that ran on every platform/OS and has a proven track record of being able to create an emulation layer for any application.

There is now a bit of a sale on the package CrossOver: http://bit.ly/2aOStlo

Now run all your old games, various versions of Autocad, Adobe packages, databases and of course every Microsoft product with but a few clicks.

Jim  

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 17:49:22 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 16:49:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGRTLv04MSdQebbMO532-UA18tW6yWPeh3GbOXWToWAfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1199629056.46016082.1470264562217.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.

Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.    

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet

You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?

B

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>
> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>
> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Aug  3 19:29:17 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:29:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
In-Reply-To: <17d6b203-216a-ab1f-0961-8aa1a482c785@torchlake.com>
References: <c30f89f8-f0dc-e110-7fb2-b43b225aa37f@torchlake.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJOA6g+fOuwtrbtpfV7zoVyD9SyPdPR2nOmN=Rmd8aFDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<d2421e01-9e45-60d9-e157-cdb14337bbf6@torchlake.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJPRXABEADdrwvEpPGmzmWqJgCpi4MJWNF4td3O5Taz6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<17d6b203-216a-ab1f-0961-8aa1a482c785@torchlake.com>
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Okay, the bottom line is:

My Win 7 box remains Win 7

My Win 8.1 box remains Win 8.1

My Win XP box remains Win XP

Sometime next year I will purchase a Win 10 box.

The separate boxen, running different OSs will continue as before.

Thank you to everyone who responded.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 07/22/16 8:08 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> I may end up just keeping the several different systems.  My Inspiron 
> 9400 is WinXP (bought in 2006), and it's working. I bought the Vostro 
> 3500 in 2011 with Win7 pro to keep abreast of the new OS and match the 
> ones we have on campus. I bought the Inspiron 15-R in 2013, running 
> Win8 64-bit - upgraded it to 8.1 - and it is my current main computer. 
> All are seeing each other on the network, and I use them for different 
> things. For example, most of the genealogical stuff is on the Win7 pro 
> computer; but all of the Adobe Creative Cloud stuff is on the Win8.1 
> 64-bit machine, along with all the accounting stuff.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 07/21/16 10:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>> Yea I saw that as I scrolled further down.  Some work and some don't
>> and some aren't happy with the end result even when it did work.  We
>> use 7 at work and I run 10, Vista and XP at home on different systems
>> and I can move from system to system and share things across all of
>> them pretty much without issues.  I did learn that supposedly my old
>> XP Laptop could possibly be upgraded to 10.  But it's just too old to
>> mess with I think. Pretty sure I got it in 2005 so 11 years old.
>> Still works OK as is and so I'm using it that way.  And now as I
>> posted a while back that system is having trouble maintaining it's
>> wifi connection so I think it's loosing it hardware wise too.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>> The closest thing to a work-around is to remove the NVIDIA adapter 
>>> from the
>>> device manager, and use only the Intel drivers. For some, that 
>>> worked. For
>>> others, the Wind10 update program still saw the NVIDIA GeForce 310M as
>>> present and incompatible.  I'm definitely bummed. Of course, it's 
>>> out of
>>> warranty - it was purchased in 2010. It may have to remain Win7 pro, 
>>> just as
>>> my old Inspiron 9400 is still WinXP pro. It'll be only the Inspiron 
>>> 15-R
>>> that's currently running Win 8.1 64-bit that can possibly be moved 
>>> to Win10.
>>> It's my current main computer. Do I want to risk it on Win10? Got 
>>> about a
>>> week to decide.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 07/21/16 8:21 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>> The Dell Community forum seems to have a work around though...
>>>>
>>>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/19637125
>>>> <http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/19637125>
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/j63bbgh
>>>>
>>>> GK
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> The other day, I decided to go ahead and get the Windows 10 
>>>>> switcheroo
>>>>> for
>>>>> my Windows 7 laptop - Dell Vostro 3500.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops, here comes the message that unfortunately this computer 
>>>>> cannot run
>>>>> Windows 10 because of its monitor - NVIDIA GeForce 310M.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been looking for updated drivers for that screen, but so far 
>>>>> without
>>>>> success. The NVIDIA website said the manufacturer of the computer 
>>>>> would
>>>>> want
>>>>> me to use their drivers, but, I'm not finding those drivers on the 
>>>>> Dell
>>>>> site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anybody else run into this?; and if so, were you able to 
>>>>> resolve it?;
>>>>> and if so, how?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> TNF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>>>>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 21:21:14 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 21:21:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <1199629056.46016082.1470264562217.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAAZtbWGRTLv04MSdQebbMO532-UA18tW6yWPeh3GbOXWToWAfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1199629056.46016082.1470264562217.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLUU5mqS7sdkxfjP7bnTDf1bmzc8z_omq1knt7x-VYdjQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.

GK

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>
> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>
> B
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>
>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>
>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 21:46:06 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:46:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pLUU5mqS7sdkxfjP7bnTDf1bmzc8z_omq1knt7x-VYdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1921501416.46214459.1470278766793.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).

I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)  

We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet

I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.

GK

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>
> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>
> B
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>
>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>
>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
>
> _______________________________________________
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 21:54:27 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 21:54:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <1921501416.46214459.1470278766793.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAJ2R_pLUU5mqS7sdkxfjP7bnTDf1bmzc8z_omq1knt7x-VYdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1921501416.46214459.1470278766793.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKtF__oHq3AmzcYG2hPU2XvqJn91RAYu4P=ZML8D6J_aQ@mail.gmail.com>

They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.
You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
inherited dissatisfied customers.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).
>
> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>
> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>
> GK
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>
>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>
>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>
>> B
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>
>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>
>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug  3 22:50:35 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:50:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pLUU5mqS7sdkxfjP7bnTDf1bmzc8z_omq1knt7x-VYdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't have any customers using Comcast. I have Charter Cable, Time Warner
Cable, AT&T Uverse and a multitude of smaller DSL and lesser internet
providers I have to work with. They all suck at one point but for the most
part its cyclical suckiness. Nature of the beast. They are in a constant
cycle of upgrading and they can't upgrade everyone at once.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet

I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB down
and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good service and
reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet and of course
several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has multiple carriers to
choose from for Internet and TV service now.

GK

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>
> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies,
in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new
level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition
agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers
as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against
Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>
> B
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a
comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video
or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on
the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>
>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>
>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for
all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app
themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not
be long...a couple of months?
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a 
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, 
> shouting "What a great ride!"
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug  3 22:50:35 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:50:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
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Nothing wrong with that. My Win10 system has a full backup of both its
Windows 7 and Windows XP versions on the server that I can restore in short
order if I want to.

My Windows 98 system remains Windows 98 :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:29 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final

Okay, the bottom line is:

My Win 7 box remains Win 7

My Win 8.1 box remains Win 8.1

My Win XP box remains Win XP

Sometime next year I will purchase a Win 10 box.

The separate boxen, running different OSs will continue as before.

Thank you to everyone who responded.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 07/22/16 8:08 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> I may end up just keeping the several different systems.  My Inspiron
> 9400 is WinXP (bought in 2006), and it's working. I bought the Vostro
> 3500 in 2011 with Win7 pro to keep abreast of the new OS and match the 
> ones we have on campus. I bought the Inspiron 15-R in 2013, running
> Win8 64-bit - upgraded it to 8.1 - and it is my current main computer. 
> All are seeing each other on the network, and I use them for different 
> things. For example, most of the genealogical stuff is on the Win7 pro 
> computer; but all of the Adobe Creative Cloud stuff is on the Win8.1 
> 64-bit machine, along with all the accounting stuff.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 07/21/16 10:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>> Yea I saw that as I scrolled further down.  Some work and some don't 
>> and some aren't happy with the end result even when it did work.  We 
>> use 7 at work and I run 10, Vista and XP at home on different systems 
>> and I can move from system to system and share things across all of 
>> them pretty much without issues.  I did learn that supposedly my old 
>> XP Laptop could possibly be upgraded to 10.  But it's just too old to 
>> mess with I think. Pretty sure I got it in 2005 so 11 years old.
>> Still works OK as is and so I'm using it that way.  And now as I 
>> posted a while back that system is having trouble maintaining it's 
>> wifi connection so I think it's loosing it hardware wise too.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields 
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>> The closest thing to a work-around is to remove the NVIDIA adapter 
>>> from the device manager, and use only the Intel drivers. For some, 
>>> that worked. For others, the Wind10 update program still saw the 
>>> NVIDIA GeForce 310M as present and incompatible.  I'm definitely 
>>> bummed. Of course, it's out of warranty - it was purchased in 2010. 
>>> It may have to remain Win7 pro, just as my old Inspiron 9400 is 
>>> still WinXP pro. It'll be only the Inspiron 15-R that's currently 
>>> running Win 8.1 64-bit that can possibly be moved to Win10.
>>> It's my current main computer. Do I want to risk it on Win10? Got 
>>> about a week to decide.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 07/21/16 8:21 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>> The Dell Community forum seems to have a work around though...
>>>>
>>>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/1963712
>>>> 5 
>>>> <http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/196371
>>>> 25>
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/j63bbgh
>>>>
>>>> GK
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Tina Norris Fields 
>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> The other day, I decided to go ahead and get the Windows 10 
>>>>> switcheroo for my Windows 7 laptop - Dell Vostro 3500.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops, here comes the message that unfortunately this computer 
>>>>> cannot run Windows 10 because of its monitor - NVIDIA GeForce 
>>>>> 310M.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been looking for updated drivers for that screen, but so far 
>>>>> without success. The NVIDIA website said the manufacturer of the 
>>>>> computer would want me to use their drivers, but, I'm not finding 
>>>>> those drivers on the Dell site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anybody else run into this?; and if so, were you able to 
>>>>> resolve it?; and if so, how?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> TNF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 23:57:09 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 00:57:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
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You should see if you could transfer the OS installations to VMS.


On 8/3/2016 11:50 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> Nothing wrong with that. My Win10 system has a full backup of both its
> Windows 7 and Windows XP versions on the server that I can restore in short
> order if I want to.
>
> My Windows 98 system remains Windows 98 :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:29 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
>
> Okay, the bottom line is:
>
> My Win 7 box remains Win 7
>
> My Win 8.1 box remains Win 8.1
>
> My Win XP box remains Win XP
>
> Sometime next year I will purchase a Win 10 box.
>
> The separate boxen, running different OSs will continue as before.
>
> Thank you to everyone who responded.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 07/22/16 8:08 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> I may end up just keeping the several different systems.  My Inspiron
>> 9400 is WinXP (bought in 2006), and it's working. I bought the Vostro
>> 3500 in 2011 with Win7 pro to keep abreast of the new OS and match the
>> ones we have on campus. I bought the Inspiron 15-R in 2013, running
>> Win8 64-bit - upgraded it to 8.1 - and it is my current main computer.
>> All are seeing each other on the network, and I use them for different
>> things. For example, most of the genealogical stuff is on the Win7 pro
>> computer; but all of the Adobe Creative Cloud stuff is on the Win8.1
>> 64-bit machine, along with all the accounting stuff.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 07/21/16 10:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>> Yea I saw that as I scrolled further down.  Some work and some don't
>>> and some aren't happy with the end result even when it did work.  We
>>> use 7 at work and I run 10, Vista and XP at home on different systems
>>> and I can move from system to system and share things across all of
>>> them pretty much without issues.  I did learn that supposedly my old
>>> XP Laptop could possibly be upgraded to 10.  But it's just too old to
>>> mess with I think. Pretty sure I got it in 2005 so 11 years old.
>>> Still works OK as is and so I'm using it that way.  And now as I
>>> posted a while back that system is having trouble maintaining it's
>>> wifi connection so I think it's loosing it hardware wise too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>> The closest thing to a work-around is to remove the NVIDIA adapter
>>>> from the device manager, and use only the Intel drivers. For some,
>>>> that worked. For others, the Wind10 update program still saw the
>>>> NVIDIA GeForce 310M as present and incompatible.  I'm definitely
>>>> bummed. Of course, it's out of warranty - it was purchased in 2010.
>>>> It may have to remain Win7 pro, just as my old Inspiron 9400 is
>>>> still WinXP pro. It'll be only the Inspiron 15-R that's currently
>>>> running Win 8.1 64-bit that can possibly be moved to Win10.
>>>> It's my current main computer. Do I want to risk it on Win10? Got
>>>> about a week to decide.
>>>>
>>>> TNF
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>> On 07/21/16 8:21 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>>> The Dell Community forum seems to have a work around though...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/1963712
>>>>> 5
>>>>> <http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/196371
>>>>> 25>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/j63bbgh
>>>>>
>>>>> GK
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other day, I decided to go ahead and get the Windows 10
>>>>>> switcheroo for my Windows 7 laptop - Dell Vostro 3500.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oops, here comes the message that unfortunately this computer
>>>>>> cannot run Windows 10 because of its monitor - NVIDIA GeForce
>>>>>> 310M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking for updated drivers for that screen, but so far
>>>>>> without success. The NVIDIA website said the manufacturer of the
>>>>>> computer would want me to use their drivers, but, I'm not finding
>>>>>> those drivers on the Dell site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anybody else run into this?; and if so, were you able to
>>>>>> resolve it?; and if so, how?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> TNF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  4 00:40:29 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 00:40:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
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On 8/3/2016 21:54, Gary Kjos wrote:
> They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
> Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
> naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.

Easy on the generalisations. Comcast seems to have earned its bad rep 
and then some. My "cable company" is the satellite provider DirecTV, now 
owned by AT&T, and while it costs too much and the software's terrible, 
I don't hate 'em.

PB

-----

> You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
> shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
> buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
> inherited dissatisfied customers.
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).
>>
>> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>>
>> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>
>> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
>> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
>> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
>> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
>> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>>
>>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>
>>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Hi All:
>>>>
>>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>>
>>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>>
>>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>>
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>>
>> --
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>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 00:47:26 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 23:47:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKtF__oHq3AmzcYG2hPU2XvqJn91RAYu4P=ZML8D6J_aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1963758614.46326489.1470289646694.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I find that an odd statement. 

In most cases the free-enterprise systems keeps companies fair and competitive but in the situations where a company establishes a monopoly or near monopoly then there exists no other alternatives other than class action law suits and government regulations, to restrict unfair business practices. These alternatives are not necessarily anything to do with size of a business...centuries of experience have proven that a check and balance system must exist or any company (or any absolute power) will take advantage of the favoured position to the detriment of all citizens or clients. That is just human nature.

Some people may hate Comcast just because its big but I think most people are justifiably cautious of a company monopoly, unfettered from any market restraints, as such an entity, is historically dangerous.

The law suit brought against Comcast, in Washington state, may represent a one-off incident or it may represent a warning of events to come.(?)
 
Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet

They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.
You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
inherited dissatisfied customers.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).
>
> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>
> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>
> GK
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>
>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>
>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>
>> B
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>
>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>
>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>>
>>> Jim
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug  4 01:20:16 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 01:20:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
In-Reply-To: <d8cb40d3-e3e2-59e9-eb21-79d74e7af2f6@gmail.com>
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I have those too, one for just about everything stored on the server. I just
copy them over and run the as needed. The machine I refer to is the one that
ran all of those VMs. I just have a big honking server drive for backups so
I leave these there. 

One of these days I'll just set up a new server with all of them on it and
be done with it. When the eagle dumps ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final

You should see if you could transfer the OS installations to VMS.


On 8/3/2016 11:50 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> Nothing wrong with that. My Win10 system has a full backup of both its 
> Windows 7 and Windows XP versions on the server that I can restore in 
> short order if I want to.
>
> My Windows 98 system remains Windows 98 :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:29 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - 
> Final
>
> Okay, the bottom line is:
>
> My Win 7 box remains Win 7
>
> My Win 8.1 box remains Win 8.1
>
> My Win XP box remains Win XP
>
> Sometime next year I will purchase a Win 10 box.
>
> The separate boxen, running different OSs will continue as before.
>
> Thank you to everyone who responded.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 07/22/16 8:08 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> I may end up just keeping the several different systems.  My Inspiron
>> 9400 is WinXP (bought in 2006), and it's working. I bought the Vostro
>> 3500 in 2011 with Win7 pro to keep abreast of the new OS and match 
>> the ones we have on campus. I bought the Inspiron 15-R in 2013, 
>> running
>> Win8 64-bit - upgraded it to 8.1 - and it is my current main computer.
>> All are seeing each other on the network, and I use them for 
>> different things. For example, most of the genealogical stuff is on 
>> the Win7 pro computer; but all of the Adobe Creative Cloud stuff is 
>> on the Win8.1 64-bit machine, along with all the accounting stuff.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 07/21/16 10:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>> Yea I saw that as I scrolled further down.  Some work and some don't 
>>> and some aren't happy with the end result even when it did work.  We 
>>> use 7 at work and I run 10, Vista and XP at home on different 
>>> systems and I can move from system to system and share things across 
>>> all of them pretty much without issues.  I did learn that supposedly 
>>> my old XP Laptop could possibly be upgraded to 10.  But it's just 
>>> too old to mess with I think. Pretty sure I got it in 2005 so 11 years
old.
>>> Still works OK as is and so I'm using it that way.  And now as I 
>>> posted a while back that system is having trouble maintaining it's 
>>> wifi connection so I think it's loosing it hardware wise too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields 
>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>> The closest thing to a work-around is to remove the NVIDIA adapter 
>>>> from the device manager, and use only the Intel drivers. For some, 
>>>> that worked. For others, the Wind10 update program still saw the 
>>>> NVIDIA GeForce 310M as present and incompatible.  I'm definitely 
>>>> bummed. Of course, it's out of warranty - it was purchased in 2010.
>>>> It may have to remain Win7 pro, just as my old Inspiron 9400 is 
>>>> still WinXP pro. It'll be only the Inspiron 15-R that's currently 
>>>> running Win 8.1 64-bit that can possibly be moved to Win10.
>>>> It's my current main computer. Do I want to risk it on Win10? Got 
>>>> about a week to decide.
>>>>
>>>> TNF
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>> On 07/21/16 8:21 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>>> The Dell Community forum seems to have a work around though...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/196371
>>>>> 2
>>>>> 5
>>>>> <http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/19637
>>>>> 1
>>>>> 25>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/j63bbgh
>>>>>
>>>>> GK
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Tina Norris Fields 
>>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other day, I decided to go ahead and get the Windows 10 
>>>>>> switcheroo for my Windows 7 laptop - Dell Vostro 3500.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oops, here comes the message that unfortunately this computer 
>>>>>> cannot run Windows 10 because of its monitor - NVIDIA GeForce 
>>>>>> 310M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking for updated drivers for that screen, but so far 
>>>>>> without success. The NVIDIA website said the manufacturer of the 
>>>>>> computer would want me to use their drivers, but, I'm not finding 
>>>>>> those drivers on the Dell site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anybody else run into this?; and if so, were you able to 
>>>>>> resolve it?; and if so, how?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> TNF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 02:07:03 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 01:07:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] My main squeeze never fails me
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hbzWmOzeR75duE1FwG-VSBFtRsJUzV0cAtMvNZVLQNjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546972039.46357757.1470294423056.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Oh, you made me laugh. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:29:55 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] My main squeeze never fails me

Just after I wrote a paean to my my main squeeze, something happened that
terrified me. Apparently Windows 10 tried to automatically update her, but
something went sideways and then when I restarted her, she said that was
restoring the OS to the previous version. That operation took hours, but it
did indeed work, and Win10 did come back to life and all is well with my
ancient girl. HP Millenium Edition, updated to Win10 etc..and she's still
running like she's ready for Rio. I do love her. Never once in all these
years has she failed me. Hats off to HP. $700 very well spent; that was a
decade ago, but that was when a dollar was worth a dollar. I realize that
the same hardware could be had for a third of that, but that's not the
point. She (I call her Guinevere) has been the most loyal and faithful
Missus that one could ever request. Even I, Son of Uther Pendragon,
Defeater of the Saxons and Lord over All Britain, cannot claim to deserve
such a wife as Guinivere.

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 02:08:17 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 03:08:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
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References: <c30f89f8-f0dc-e110-7fb2-b43b225aa37f@torchlake.com>
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	<CAJ2R_pJPRXABEADdrwvEpPGmzmWqJgCpi4MJWNF4td3O5Taz6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<17d6b203-216a-ab1f-0961-8aa1a482c785@torchlake.com>
	<42f5dd1b-d3b0-6543-f49b-dfffad07d185@torchlake.com>
	<002201d1ee03$5b7dd1e0$127975a0$@winhaven.net>
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Many years ago, in the process of setting up a business system for a 
client, I built a Hex core AMD with 32 gigs of RAM.  I installed SSDs to 
hold some high speed disk partitions for each VM.

I Then purchased Windows 2011 (Windows Home Server) licenses for $40 
apiece, and installed 8 different VMs.  In fact I simply did one, 
installed everything I needed and then cloned that, using the licenses 
as I brought each clone up.  It turns out that WHS is called Windows 
2011 but is actually 64 bit Windows 2008 under the skin.  So my VMs run 
a pretty powerful "Server" OS

I now actually run 5 VMs which run a third party software for the 
business, and a sixth VM which runs my custom written C# application in 
VS 2013, which drives the other 5 VMs work.  In my case each of the 5 
VMs use 4 gigs of RAM and 2 "cores" and what I call my "dev" machine is 
a VM running 6 gigs and 4 "cores".    The VM Server OS is Windows 2008 
and I give it 6 gigs as well.

It all runs very nicely and is very robust.

On 8/4/2016 2:20 AM, John R Bartow wrote:
> I have those too, one for just about everything stored on the server. I just
> copy them over and run the as needed. The machine I refer to is the one that
> ran all of those VMs. I just have a big honking server drive for backups so
> I leave these there.
>
> One of these days I'll just set up a new server with all of them on it and
> be done with it. When the eagle dumps ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:57 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
>
> You should see if you could transfer the OS installations to VMS.
>
>
> On 8/3/2016 11:50 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
>> Nothing wrong with that. My Win10 system has a full backup of both its
>> Windows 7 and Windows XP versions on the server that I can restore in
>> short order if I want to.
>>
>> My Windows 98 system remains Windows 98 :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:29 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor -
>> Final
>>
>> Okay, the bottom line is:
>>
>> My Win 7 box remains Win 7
>>
>> My Win 8.1 box remains Win 8.1
>>
>> My Win XP box remains Win XP
>>
>> Sometime next year I will purchase a Win 10 box.
>>
>> The separate boxen, running different OSs will continue as before.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone who responded.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 07/22/16 8:08 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> I may end up just keeping the several different systems.  My Inspiron
>>> 9400 is WinXP (bought in 2006), and it's working. I bought the Vostro
>>> 3500 in 2011 with Win7 pro to keep abreast of the new OS and match
>>> the ones we have on campus. I bought the Inspiron 15-R in 2013,
>>> running
>>> Win8 64-bit - upgraded it to 8.1 - and it is my current main computer.
>>> All are seeing each other on the network, and I use them for
>>> different things. For example, most of the genealogical stuff is on
>>> the Win7 pro computer; but all of the Adobe Creative Cloud stuff is
>>> on the Win8.1 64-bit machine, along with all the accounting stuff.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 07/21/16 10:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>> Yea I saw that as I scrolled further down.  Some work and some don't
>>>> and some aren't happy with the end result even when it did work.  We
>>>> use 7 at work and I run 10, Vista and XP at home on different
>>>> systems and I can move from system to system and share things across
>>>> all of them pretty much without issues.  I did learn that supposedly
>>>> my old XP Laptop could possibly be upgraded to 10.  But it's just
>>>> too old to mess with I think. Pretty sure I got it in 2005 so 11 years
> old.
>>>> Still works OK as is and so I'm using it that way.  And now as I
>>>> posted a while back that system is having trouble maintaining it's
>>>> wifi connection so I think it's loosing it hardware wise too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>> The closest thing to a work-around is to remove the NVIDIA adapter
>>>>> from the device manager, and use only the Intel drivers. For some,
>>>>> that worked. For others, the Wind10 update program still saw the
>>>>> NVIDIA GeForce 310M as present and incompatible.  I'm definitely
>>>>> bummed. Of course, it's out of warranty - it was purchased in 2010.
>>>>> It may have to remain Win7 pro, just as my old Inspiron 9400 is
>>>>> still WinXP pro. It'll be only the Inspiron 15-R that's currently
>>>>> running Win 8.1 64-bit that can possibly be moved to Win10.
>>>>> It's my current main computer. Do I want to risk it on Win10? Got
>>>>> about a week to decide.
>>>>>
>>>>> TNF
>>>>>
>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/21/16 8:21 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>>>> The Dell Community forum seems to have a work around though...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/196371
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> <http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/19637
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> 25>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/j63bbgh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other day, I decided to go ahead and get the Windows 10
>>>>>>> switcheroo for my Windows 7 laptop - Dell Vostro 3500.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oops, here comes the message that unfortunately this computer
>>>>>>> cannot run Windows 10 because of its monitor - NVIDIA GeForce
>>>>>>> 310M.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been looking for updated drivers for that screen, but so far
>>>>>>> without success. The NVIDIA website said the manufacturer of the
>>>>>>> computer would want me to use their drivers, but, I'm not finding
>>>>>>> those drivers on the Dell site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anybody else run into this?; and if so, were you able to
>>>>>>> resolve it?; and if so, how?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> TNF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 10:04:09 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:04:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <c95267ed-abcb-61c8-d9c1-f603dbb01b6e@earthlink.net>
References: <CAJ2R_pLUU5mqS7sdkxfjP7bnTDf1bmzc8z_omq1knt7x-VYdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1921501416.46214459.1470278766793.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAJ2R_pKtF__oHq3AmzcYG2hPU2XvqJn91RAYu4P=ZML8D6J_aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c95267ed-abcb-61c8-d9c1-f603dbb01b6e@earthlink.net>
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Well I only comment based on my own experience with them.  My comment
was intended to say that not everyone has issues with Comcast.  Our
cable service provider changed names several times over the years but
has been Comcast now for quite a while, 15 years at least, and if
anything the service and value hasn't gotten any worse since it's been
Comcast.  The few times I have needed service they have been easy to
deal with and my problems were fixed.  My internet speed is very good.
We have phone, TV and Internet through them.  I can watch any TV show
anyplace through them on my phone or tablet.  I can answer my home
phone from my cell phone from anywhere.  It is expensive but so are
the alternatives.  They have a local "Comcast store" a mile from my
home where if I do have a hardware problem I can get an exchange in
minutes.   They recently upgraded my service and reduced my price
without my asking "because I was a longtime customer".  Really other
than the price I don't have any complaints with them from my own
personal experience.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 8/3/2016 21:54, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>
>> They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
>> Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
>> naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.
>
>
> Easy on the generalisations. Comcast seems to have earned its bad rep and
> then some. My "cable company" is the satellite provider DirecTV, now owned
> by AT&T, and while it costs too much and the software's terrible, I don't
> hate 'em.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>
>> You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
>> shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
>> buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
>> inherited dissatisfied customers.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My
>>> understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that
>>> have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable,
>>> monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last
>>> straw).
>>>
>>> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having
>>> competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>>>
>>> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications
>>> Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as
>>> it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political
>>> contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could
>>> be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up
>>> negatively impacting the public.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>
>>> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
>>> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
>>> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
>>> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
>>> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>>>
>>> GK
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>>>
>>>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable
>>>> companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes
>>>> retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and
>>>> no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming
>>>> their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a
>>>> class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy
>>>> company.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>>
>>>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting
>>>>> a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream
>>>>> video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or
>>>>> depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available
>>>>> for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the
>>>>> app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should
>>>>> not be long...a couple of months?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>>>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>>>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>>>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary Kjos
>>> garykjos at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 10:09:31 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:09:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <1963758614.46326489.1470289646694.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAJ2R_pKtF__oHq3AmzcYG2hPU2XvqJn91RAYu4P=ZML8D6J_aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1963758614.46326489.1470289646694.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJ_XnspfeGSGvBdM8h3d5CMFGiR+hxH+L804=rGzVtUxA@mail.gmail.com>

A lot of Lawyers will make a lot of money anyway.   Supposedly cable
TV is on it's last breath anyway.  We've been hearing that for a while
now though.

And the days of cable TV providers having a lock on anything are past
for most places.  Pretty much all the phone companies will sell you TV
service now.  Satellite is everywhere.

GK

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I find that an odd statement.
>
> In most cases the free-enterprise systems keeps companies fair and competitive but in the situations where a company establishes a monopoly or near monopoly then there exists no other alternatives other than class action law suits and government regulations, to restrict unfair business practices. These alternatives are not necessarily anything to do with size of a business...centuries of experience have proven that a check and balance system must exist or any company (or any absolute power) will take advantage of the favoured position to the detriment of all citizens or clients. That is just human nature.
>
> Some people may hate Comcast just because its big but I think most people are justifiably cautious of a company monopoly, unfettered from any market restraints, as such an entity, is historically dangerous.
>
> The law suit brought against Comcast, in Washington state, may represent a one-off incident or it may represent a warning of events to come.(?)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:54:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
> Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
> naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.
> You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
> shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
> buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
> inherited dissatisfied customers.
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).
>>
>> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>>
>> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>
>> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
>> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
>> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
>> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
>> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>>
>>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>
>>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Hi All:
>>>>
>>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>>
>>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>>
>>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 11:14:40 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:14:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJ_XnspfeGSGvBdM8h3d5CMFGiR+hxH+L804=rGzVtUxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <209573671.46666846.1470327280103.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Like a lot of things, Cable TV will not disappear but it will no longer be the cash cow it once was.

Fortune Magazine posts the dropping rates: http://for.tn/2aD2WwE

According to the latest stats, cable companies have lost 350K subscribers and that is just in the last three months. When we dropped our TV cable it was costing us $90 per month and we were watching the cable maybe three times a month...just too busy. The provider called back in a few days and offered us the same deal for $11 per month...that speaks of desperation...we appreciated the offer but were unmoved.

We here have had a duopoly for years...originally two cable companies and one phone company, in entire Canada...all competition is long gone. They all now provide the same service so other than their names there is little difference. They have sucessfully blocked all competition and charge exactly the same rates. The current rates for cable service, in Canada are some of the highest in the world. For all extents and purposes they are one company. 

At this point there is no further deployment of fiber-optic cables...why should there be? The government, via the CRTC, is threatening to force the cable companies to adopt new technology, block any rate increases and open the doors to competition through legislation. Sad state of affairs really but what can anyone expect when there is no competition?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 8:09:31 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet

A lot of Lawyers will make a lot of money anyway.   Supposedly cable
TV is on it's last breath anyway.  We've been hearing that for a while
now though.

And the days of cable TV providers having a lock on anything are past
for most places.  Pretty much all the phone companies will sell you TV
service now.  Satellite is everywhere.

GK

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I find that an odd statement.
>
> In most cases the free-enterprise systems keeps companies fair and competitive but in the situations where a company establishes a monopoly or near monopoly then there exists no other alternatives other than class action law suits and government regulations, to restrict unfair business practices. These alternatives are not necessarily anything to do with size of a business...centuries of experience have proven that a check and balance system must exist or any company (or any absolute power) will take advantage of the favoured position to the detriment of all citizens or clients. That is just human nature.
>
> Some people may hate Comcast just because its big but I think most people are justifiably cautious of a company monopoly, unfettered from any market restraints, as such an entity, is historically dangerous.
>
> The law suit brought against Comcast, in Washington state, may represent a one-off incident or it may represent a warning of events to come.(?)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:54:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
> Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
> naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.
> You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
> shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
> buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
> inherited dissatisfied customers.
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).
>>
>> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>>
>> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>
>> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
>> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
>> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
>> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
>> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>>
>>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>
>>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Hi All:
>>>>
>>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>>
>>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>>
>>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 11:26:16 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:26:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <209573671.46666846.1470327280103.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAJ2R_pJ_XnspfeGSGvBdM8h3d5CMFGiR+hxH+L804=rGzVtUxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<209573671.46666846.1470327280103.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGg7Dgfy7yk+sC0fCpHRJ=4tkbq7SJZJHN2Cr_kK-5vHw@mail.gmail.com>

OK folks, this discussion is moving from tech to OT territory.

Please adjust your To: line accordingly. :)

B

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Like a lot of things, Cable TV will not disappear but it will no longer be the cash cow it once was.
>
> Fortune Magazine posts the dropping rates: http://for.tn/2aD2WwE
>
> According to the latest stats, cable companies have lost 350K subscribers and that is just in the last three months. When we dropped our TV cable it was costing us $90 per month and we were watching the cable maybe three times a month...just too busy. The provider called back in a few days and offered us the same deal for $11 per month...that speaks of desperation...we appreciated the offer but were unmoved.
>
> We here have had a duopoly for years...originally two cable companies and one phone company, in entire Canada...all competition is long gone. They all now provide the same service so other than their names there is little difference. They have sucessfully blocked all competition and charge exactly the same rates. The current rates for cable service, in Canada are some of the highest in the world. For all extents and purposes they are one company.
>
> At this point there is no further deployment of fiber-optic cables...why should there be? The government, via the CRTC, is threatening to force the cable companies to adopt new technology, block any rate increases and open the doors to competition through legislation. Sad state of affairs really but what can anyone expect when there is no competition?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 8:09:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> A lot of Lawyers will make a lot of money anyway.   Supposedly cable
> TV is on it's last breath anyway.  We've been hearing that for a while
> now though.
>
> And the days of cable TV providers having a lock on anything are past
> for most places.  Pretty much all the phone companies will sell you TV
> service now.  Satellite is everywhere.
>
> GK
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> I find that an odd statement.
>>
>> In most cases the free-enterprise systems keeps companies fair and competitive but in the situations where a company establishes a monopoly or near monopoly then there exists no other alternatives other than class action law suits and government regulations, to restrict unfair business practices. These alternatives are not necessarily anything to do with size of a business...centuries of experience have proven that a check and balance system must exist or any company (or any absolute power) will take advantage of the favoured position to the detriment of all citizens or clients. That is just human nature.
>>
>> Some people may hate Comcast just because its big but I think most people are justifiably cautious of a company monopoly, unfettered from any market restraints, as such an entity, is historically dangerous.
>>
>> The law suit brought against Comcast, in Washington state, may represent a one-off incident or it may represent a warning of events to come.(?)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:54:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>
>> They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
>> Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
>> naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.
>> You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
>> shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
>> buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
>> inherited dissatisfied customers.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).
>>>
>>> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>>>
>>> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>
>>> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
>>> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
>>> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
>>> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
>>> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>>>
>>> GK
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>>>
>>>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>>
>>>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
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>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>>>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>>>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>>>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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>>
>>
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well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 11:31:59 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:31:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGg7Dgfy7yk+sC0fCpHRJ=4tkbq7SJZJHN2Cr_kK-5vHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38597507.46682806.1470328319344.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Thank you, Bryan.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 9:26:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet

OK folks, this discussion is moving from tech to OT territory.

Please adjust your To: line accordingly. :)

B

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Like a lot of things, Cable TV will not disappear but it will no longer be the cash cow it once was.
>
> Fortune Magazine posts the dropping rates: http://for.tn/2aD2WwE
>
> According to the latest stats, cable companies have lost 350K subscribers and that is just in the last three months. When we dropped our TV cable it was costing us $90 per month and we were watching the cable maybe three times a month...just too busy. The provider called back in a few days and offered us the same deal for $11 per month...that speaks of desperation...we appreciated the offer but were unmoved.
>
> We here have had a duopoly for years...originally two cable companies and one phone company, in entire Canada...all competition is long gone. They all now provide the same service so other than their names there is little difference. They have sucessfully blocked all competition and charge exactly the same rates. The current rates for cable service, in Canada are some of the highest in the world. For all extents and purposes they are one company.
>
> At this point there is no further deployment of fiber-optic cables...why should there be? The government, via the CRTC, is threatening to force the cable companies to adopt new technology, block any rate increases and open the doors to competition through legislation. Sad state of affairs really but what can anyone expect when there is no competition?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 8:09:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>
> A lot of Lawyers will make a lot of money anyway.   Supposedly cable
> TV is on it's last breath anyway.  We've been hearing that for a while
> now though.
>
> And the days of cable TV providers having a lock on anything are past
> for most places.  Pretty much all the phone companies will sell you TV
> service now.  Satellite is everywhere.
>
> GK
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> I find that an odd statement.
>>
>> In most cases the free-enterprise systems keeps companies fair and competitive but in the situations where a company establishes a monopoly or near monopoly then there exists no other alternatives other than class action law suits and government regulations, to restrict unfair business practices. These alternatives are not necessarily anything to do with size of a business...centuries of experience have proven that a check and balance system must exist or any company (or any absolute power) will take advantage of the favoured position to the detriment of all citizens or clients. That is just human nature.
>>
>> Some people may hate Comcast just because its big but I think most people are justifiably cautious of a company monopoly, unfettered from any market restraints, as such an entity, is historically dangerous.
>>
>> The law suit brought against Comcast, in Washington state, may represent a one-off incident or it may represent a warning of events to come.(?)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:54:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>
>> They are big so people will naturally hate them.  They own NBC, The
>> Golf Channel, Universal Pictures, Universal Theme parks. Everybody
>> naturally hates their cable company.  It's the nature of the beast.
>> You don't pay your bill and it's the cable companies fault that they
>> shut off your service. Sure it is. They got as big as they are by
>> buying up other companies many of which probably sucked and so they
>> inherited dissatisfied customers.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> I can not say from first hand experience as I have never used Comcast. My understanding comes from people (and a business), in Washington state, that have been using their service. Their issues are varied; unreliable, monopolistic (with the associated attitude) and now a service scam (the last straw).
>>>
>>> I am glad to hear that your experiences are different. Maybe, having competition does attribute to a better service from the supplier. ;-)
>>>
>>> We here have the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission), a government regulating agency. It is not a perfect solution as it regulations can be adversely affected by the size of a political contribution and the particular political party in office but OTOH, it could be so much worse. An industry and a monopoly seem to always ends up negatively impacting the public.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:21:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>
>>> I am a Comcast customer and have no problem with them at all.  50 MB
>>> down and 13 Mb up just now when I tested. Have had nothing but good
>>> service and reliability.  We have DSL competition here for internet
>>> and of course several Satalite carriers for TV.  Most of the USA has
>>> multiple carriers to choose from for Internet and TV service now.
>>>
>>> GK
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Byran...you are right of course...I knew that.
>>>>
>>>> Aside: If we think we have it bad with our three duopoly Cable companies, in Canada, the Comcast monopoly, south of the border, takes retched to a new level. Not only is their connection speed, reliability and no-competition agreements been terrible, it seems they have been scamming their customers as well. Finally, Washington state is invoking a class-action suit against Comcast: http://bit.ly/2aRohHm . What a scummy company.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:14:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
>>>>
>>>> You mean ChromeCast and not Comcast right?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hot off the presses. If you have been using or are thinking of getting a comcast device for your TV (http://bit.ly/2atBa4Q), so you can stream video or music from any of your computers and hate going through or depending on the internet, the new app Localcast, is for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://scalableminds.github.io/localcast/#download
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now it is only available for the MAC, but it will be available for all platforms so. Linux users can download the source and compile the app themselves but Windows users are going to have to wait. The wait should not be long...a couple of months?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>>>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>>>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>>>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> garykjos at gmail.com
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 11:40:39 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:40:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Our replacement?
In-Reply-To: <38597507.46682806.1470328319344.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <324904.46692347.1470328839216.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

How is our potential replacement AI doing? ;-)

http://tek.io/2aooNHG

Jim

From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 13:41:37 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:41:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comcast usage with no internet
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGg7Dgfy7yk+sC0fCpHRJ=4tkbq7SJZJHN2Cr_kK-5vHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2R_pJ_XnspfeGSGvBdM8h3d5CMFGiR+hxH+L804=rGzVtUxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<209573671.46666846.1470327280103.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWGg7Dgfy7yk+sC0fCpHRJ=4tkbq7SJZJHN2Cr_kK-5vHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+h68tZjzoN4wv6=r7xCKhm7_RC3QX3ENmBHmYoRGgO+Q@mail.gmail.com>

My apologies.  I thought this WAS on the OT list. Sorry.

GK


On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK folks, this discussion is moving from tech to OT territory.
>
> Please adjust your To: line accordingly. :)
>
> B


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  6 12:02:52 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 11:02:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
In-Reply-To: <ffe677c8-fc5b-6d51-9d74-de66ec7d8cda@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <453758157.48305766.1470502972967.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

So when you decide to build your next super-computer give me a call...such a computer could be put to all sorts of uses, even in retirement. :-)

Can I assume your computer is 64 bit with hyper-V hardware?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:08:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final

Many years ago, in the process of setting up a business system for a 
client, I built a Hex core AMD with 32 gigs of RAM.  I installed SSDs to 
hold some high speed disk partitions for each VM.

I Then purchased Windows 2011 (Windows Home Server) licenses for $40 
apiece, and installed 8 different VMs.  In fact I simply did one, 
installed everything I needed and then cloned that, using the licenses 
as I brought each clone up.  It turns out that WHS is called Windows 
2011 but is actually 64 bit Windows 2008 under the skin.  So my VMs run 
a pretty powerful "Server" OS

I now actually run 5 VMs which run a third party software for the 
business, and a sixth VM which runs my custom written C# application in 
VS 2013, which drives the other 5 VMs work.  In my case each of the 5 
VMs use 4 gigs of RAM and 2 "cores" and what I call my "dev" machine is 
a VM running 6 gigs and 4 "cores".    The VM Server OS is Windows 2008 
and I give it 6 gigs as well.

It all runs very nicely and is very robust.

On 8/4/2016 2:20 AM, John R Bartow wrote:
> I have those too, one for just about everything stored on the server. I just
> copy them over and run the as needed. The machine I refer to is the one that
> ran all of those VMs. I just have a big honking server drive for backups so
> I leave these there.
>
> One of these days I'll just set up a new server with all of them on it and
> be done with it. When the eagle dumps ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:57 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
>
> You should see if you could transfer the OS installations to VMS.
>
>
> On 8/3/2016 11:50 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
>> Nothing wrong with that. My Win10 system has a full backup of both its
>> Windows 7 and Windows XP versions on the server that I can restore in
>> short order if I want to.
>>
>> My Windows 98 system remains Windows 98 :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:29 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor -
>> Final
>>
>> Okay, the bottom line is:
>>
>> My Win 7 box remains Win 7
>>
>> My Win 8.1 box remains Win 8.1
>>
>> My Win XP box remains Win XP
>>
>> Sometime next year I will purchase a Win 10 box.
>>
>> The separate boxen, running different OSs will continue as before.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone who responded.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 07/22/16 8:08 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> I may end up just keeping the several different systems.  My Inspiron
>>> 9400 is WinXP (bought in 2006), and it's working. I bought the Vostro
>>> 3500 in 2011 with Win7 pro to keep abreast of the new OS and match
>>> the ones we have on campus. I bought the Inspiron 15-R in 2013,
>>> running
>>> Win8 64-bit - upgraded it to 8.1 - and it is my current main computer.
>>> All are seeing each other on the network, and I use them for
>>> different things. For example, most of the genealogical stuff is on
>>> the Win7 pro computer; but all of the Adobe Creative Cloud stuff is
>>> on the Win8.1 64-bit machine, along with all the accounting stuff.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 07/21/16 10:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>> Yea I saw that as I scrolled further down.  Some work and some don't
>>>> and some aren't happy with the end result even when it did work.  We
>>>> use 7 at work and I run 10, Vista and XP at home on different
>>>> systems and I can move from system to system and share things across
>>>> all of them pretty much without issues.  I did learn that supposedly
>>>> my old XP Laptop could possibly be upgraded to 10.  But it's just
>>>> too old to mess with I think. Pretty sure I got it in 2005 so 11 years
> old.
>>>> Still works OK as is and so I'm using it that way.  And now as I
>>>> posted a while back that system is having trouble maintaining it's
>>>> wifi connection so I think it's loosing it hardware wise too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>> The closest thing to a work-around is to remove the NVIDIA adapter
>>>>> from the device manager, and use only the Intel drivers. For some,
>>>>> that worked. For others, the Wind10 update program still saw the
>>>>> NVIDIA GeForce 310M as present and incompatible.  I'm definitely
>>>>> bummed. Of course, it's out of warranty - it was purchased in 2010.
>>>>> It may have to remain Win7 pro, just as my old Inspiron 9400 is
>>>>> still WinXP pro. It'll be only the Inspiron 15-R that's currently
>>>>> running Win 8.1 64-bit that can possibly be moved to Win10.
>>>>> It's my current main computer. Do I want to risk it on Win10? Got
>>>>> about a week to decide.
>>>>>
>>>>> TNF
>>>>>
>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/21/16 8:21 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>>>> The Dell Community forum seems to have a work around though...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/196371
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> <http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/19637
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> 25>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/j63bbgh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other day, I decided to go ahead and get the Windows 10
>>>>>>> switcheroo for my Windows 7 laptop - Dell Vostro 3500.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oops, here comes the message that unfortunately this computer
>>>>>>> cannot run Windows 10 because of its monitor - NVIDIA GeForce
>>>>>>> 310M.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been looking for updated drivers for that screen, but so far
>>>>>>> without success. The NVIDIA website said the manufacturer of the
>>>>>>> computer would want me to use their drivers, but, I'm not finding
>>>>>>> those drivers on the Dell site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anybody else run into this?; and if so, were you able to
>>>>>>> resolve it?; and if so, how?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> TNF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>>>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 00:38:18 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 01:38:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
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Yep.  Rather old now.  The SQL Server is more powerful though. It is a 
dual cpu with 8 cores per cpu and 80 gb RAM, a TB of SSD raid 6, and 
about 8 TB rotating raid 6.  Again built probably 5 years ago now, 
actually "upgraded" at that time.  The Server chips are AMD and not 
particularly fast at around 2.2 ghz, but with 16 real cores it still 
pretty much does the trick.

Windows 2008 X64 and SQL Server 2008 64.  SQL Server can and does 
utilize all of the cores at some times, though often it will then use 
just one core.  Rather odd actually.  But all of my databases are 
compressed so that they load into memory compressed and are uncompressed 
on-the-fly.  Which gives all those cores something to do.  :)  In many 
cases, even though the databases can be pretty large, I can often fit 
much of it in memory all at once.  Thus a "memory database"... kinda sorta.

SQL Server is a pretty powerful beast.

Sadly MS changed their licensing model such that they now charge on a 
per core basis which pretty much killed AMD's advantage.  Intel is such 
a nasty company sometimes.
But that is why I stuck with 2008, and will for a loooong time.  I 
cannot afford to license 16 cores in the more modern versions.

On 8/6/2016 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> So when you decide to build your next super-computer give me a call...such a computer could be put to all sorts of uses, even in retirement. :-)
>
> Can I assume your computer is 64 bit with hyper-V hardware?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:08:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
>
> Many years ago, in the process of setting up a business system for a
> client, I built a Hex core AMD with 32 gigs of RAM.  I installed SSDs to
> hold some high speed disk partitions for each VM.
>
> I Then purchased Windows 2011 (Windows Home Server) licenses for $40
> apiece, and installed 8 different VMs.  In fact I simply did one,
> installed everything I needed and then cloned that, using the licenses
> as I brought each clone up.  It turns out that WHS is called Windows
> 2011 but is actually 64 bit Windows 2008 under the skin.  So my VMs run
> a pretty powerful "Server" OS
>
> I now actually run 5 VMs which run a third party software for the
> business, and a sixth VM which runs my custom written C# application in
> VS 2013, which drives the other 5 VMs work.  In my case each of the 5
> VMs use 4 gigs of RAM and 2 "cores" and what I call my "dev" machine is
> a VM running 6 gigs and 4 "cores".    The VM Server OS is Windows 2008
> and I give it 6 gigs as well.
>
> It all runs very nicely and is very robust.
>
> On 8/4/2016 2:20 AM, John R Bartow wrote:
>> I have those too, one for just about everything stored on the server. I just
>> copy them over and run the as needed. The machine I refer to is the one that
>> ran all of those VMs. I just have a big honking server drive for backups so
>> I leave these there.
>>
>> One of these days I'll just set up a new server with all of them on it and
>> be done with it. When the eagle dumps ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> John Colby
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:57 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor - Final
>>
>> You should see if you could transfer the OS installations to VMS.
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/2016 11:50 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
>>> Nothing wrong with that. My Win10 system has a full backup of both its
>>> Windows 7 and Windows XP versions on the server that I can restore in
>>> short order if I want to.
>>>
>>> My Windows 98 system remains Windows 98 :-)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:29 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 drivers NVIDIA geforce monitor -
>>> Final
>>>
>>> Okay, the bottom line is:
>>>
>>> My Win 7 box remains Win 7
>>>
>>> My Win 8.1 box remains Win 8.1
>>>
>>> My Win XP box remains Win XP
>>>
>>> Sometime next year I will purchase a Win 10 box.
>>>
>>> The separate boxen, running different OSs will continue as before.
>>>
>>> Thank you to everyone who responded.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 07/22/16 8:08 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>> I may end up just keeping the several different systems.  My Inspiron
>>>> 9400 is WinXP (bought in 2006), and it's working. I bought the Vostro
>>>> 3500 in 2011 with Win7 pro to keep abreast of the new OS and match
>>>> the ones we have on campus. I bought the Inspiron 15-R in 2013,
>>>> running
>>>> Win8 64-bit - upgraded it to 8.1 - and it is my current main computer.
>>>> All are seeing each other on the network, and I use them for
>>>> different things. For example, most of the genealogical stuff is on
>>>> the Win7 pro computer; but all of the Adobe Creative Cloud stuff is
>>>> on the Win8.1 64-bit machine, along with all the accounting stuff.
>>>>
>>>> TNF
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>> On 07/21/16 10:31 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>>> Yea I saw that as I scrolled further down.  Some work and some don't
>>>>> and some aren't happy with the end result even when it did work.  We
>>>>> use 7 at work and I run 10, Vista and XP at home on different
>>>>> systems and I can move from system to system and share things across
>>>>> all of them pretty much without issues.  I did learn that supposedly
>>>>> my old XP Laptop could possibly be upgraded to 10.  But it's just
>>>>> too old to mess with I think. Pretty sure I got it in 2005 so 11 years
>> old.
>>>>> Still works OK as is and so I'm using it that way.  And now as I
>>>>> posted a while back that system is having trouble maintaining it's
>>>>> wifi connection so I think it's loosing it hardware wise too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The closest thing to a work-around is to remove the NVIDIA adapter
>>>>>> from the device manager, and use only the Intel drivers. For some,
>>>>>> that worked. For others, the Wind10 update program still saw the
>>>>>> NVIDIA GeForce 310M as present and incompatible.  I'm definitely
>>>>>> bummed. Of course, it's out of warranty - it was purchased in 2010.
>>>>>> It may have to remain Win7 pro, just as my old Inspiron 9400 is
>>>>>> still WinXP pro. It'll be only the Inspiron 15-R that's currently
>>>>>> running Win 8.1 64-bit that can possibly be moved to Win10.
>>>>>> It's my current main computer. Do I want to risk it on Win10? Got
>>>>>> about a week to decide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TNF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/21/16 8:21 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
>>>>>>> The Dell Community forum seems to have a work around though...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/196371
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>> <http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3519/t/19637
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> 25>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/j63bbgh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other day, I decided to go ahead and get the Windows 10
>>>>>>>> switcheroo for my Windows 7 laptop - Dell Vostro 3500.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oops, here comes the message that unfortunately this computer
>>>>>>>> cannot run Windows 10 because of its monitor - NVIDIA GeForce
>>>>>>>> 310M.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been looking for updated drivers for that screen, but so far
>>>>>>>> without success. The NVIDIA website said the manufacturer of the
>>>>>>>> computer would want me to use their drivers, but, I'm not finding
>>>>>>>> those drivers on the Dell site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anybody else run into this?; and if so, were you able to
>>>>>>>> resolve it?; and if so, how?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> TNF
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>>>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>>>>
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>> --
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>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 11:13:43 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:13:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Computer Connections: People, Places,
 and Events in the Evolution of the Personal Computer Industry."
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hVvfu2BDAmQLkrjD5r8uzE6cjaCWtDakDKmZr0BCL0FQ@mail.gmail.com>

I still remember the date on which I purchased my first computer:
15-Mar-1983. It was a Taiwanese clone of an Apple II  called Unitron, and
the guy I bought it from had installed a CP/M card, I think from a company
whose name began with Z but I don't think it was Zenith. Anyway, I bought
the computer used, and it came with no hard disk (it was 1983), just a pair
of floppy drives that each could store a whopping 128k of data. The box
came with several disks, including WordStar, dBASE-II and Supercalc. I
hated Apple SOS 3 and vastly preferred the C/PM side. I fell in love with
dBASE-II and discovered a really cool trick wherein you could another notch
into the opposing side of the 5.5" disk, and then copy stuff to the newly
exposed side. So, in my basement way, I invented multi-tasking, on a 64k
box. I had WordStar on one side of the disk, and dBASE-II on the other. I
used to run WordStar to write code, then select Run from its menu, quickly
flip the disk in its floppy drive, and then type "Do". It was the trend
back then to shorten dBASE-II to "Do"; hence.

None of this and my subsequent career would have been possible without Gary
Kildall, the creator of CP/M, whose memoirs
<http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/geek-life/history/cpm-creator-gary-kildalls-memoirs-released-as-free-download>
are
now available just back there, at the link.nine words previous. It brought
back a flood of memories.

-- 
Arthur

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 17:04:01 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 18:04:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Computer Connections: People, Places,
 and Events in the Evolution of the Personal Computer Industry."
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hVvfu2BDAmQLkrjD5r8uzE6cjaCWtDakDKmZr0BCL0FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hVvfu2BDAmQLkrjD5r8uzE6cjaCWtDakDKmZr0BCL0FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a0b3425-6d99-27b4-7ea1-f15131592113@gmail.com>

My first computer was a home built (in 1976) s-100 (a standard bus in 
the early days) based Zilog Z80 microprocessor with a whopping 24 
kilobytes or static ram.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog

It ran the Zapple monitor and had a cassette interface and loaded 12K 
Zapple basic, which took 4 minutes to load.  And crashed often.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapple_Monitor

Those were the days when if you wanted something, you bought kits from 
advertisements in the back of Popular Electronics.  I was a Data Systems 
Technician in the Navy and so I understood electronics and trouble 
shooting, but not programming.

My second machine was another home built (in 1981) SBC (single board 
computer) which had an 80186 uP and 256K of dynamic RAM.  Back in those 
days you could "stack" ram chips on top of each other (only two deep) 
and so I doubled that to 512 KB or Dynamic RAM.  It had a Serial chip 
for a dumb monitor and a floppy disk interface, and I purchased a double 
drive 1 mbyte floppy.  It ran CPM and Turbo Pascal, and later Turbo C 
from Borland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Pascal

Hot stuff in 1981.

It was on this system that I really learned how to program.  In 1980 I 
went to work for a graphics terminal company called MegaTek Corp. based 
out of Sorrento Valley California, back before Sorrento Valley was even 
a real place.

https://books.google.com/books?id=hq5JF_-p3CUC&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=megatek+corporation+1980&source=bl&ots=PjpAClYdhx&sig=ZatELeUxNwPzsKwGIKW4brrDhUU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjl0KTro7DOAhUEYiYKHeagD5UQ6AEIQzAH#v=onepage&q=megatek%20corporation%201980&f=false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrento_Valley,_San_Diego

I was a field engineer and later a bench technician fixing their 
graphics terminals.  One day (in 1983?) I found 5 engineering samples of 
their low end graphics terminals in the trash.  Of course I dragged them 
out and hooked one up to my SBC.

https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_megatek251raphicsProtocolApr1985_6736234

This machine was a full on graphics terminal with all the bells and 
whistles, and cost about $15,000 at retail.  I fixed them but had no 
clue how to program them, but I had a friend who was a programmer 
writing their drivers for the DEC VAX machines that they would normally 
run on.  He helped me get my SBC set up and running Turbo Pascal, and 
showed me how to write a subroutine for each instruction of the graphics 
terminal.  He wrote a few then turned me loose.  A few months later I 
had written drivers for each of the (unknown number) of graphics 
instructions for drawing lines, scaling, spinning and moving these lines 
around on the screen, all done by the terminal itself, driven by my 
SBC.  A couple of months after that I had a three-D sphere drawn out of 
triangles which I could rotate, scale and translate (move across an axis).

And so a programmer was born.  :)

This was all in the early 80s.  By 1986 I was trading DOWN to an Epson 
PC clone.  The only thing more powerful than my SBC was that it had a 8 
mb hard disk.  Ooooooohhhhh.  It ran DOS and various flavors of dos clones.

That was one of two computers that I bought assembled, after which I 
built my own from parts from places like local computer stores (the rage 
back then), CompUSA and later NewEgg.

And yep, in 1987 I bought Lotus 123, DBase and Wordstar, but my focus 
was programming in Turbo pascal and Turbo C.  Then in 1991 I ran into 
this completely bizarre "event driven" thing called Access, which ran on 
Windows 3 and the rest, as they say, is history.

Just an aside, in 1984, Megatek had a Vax 11/780 which ran the entire 
company, from programmers to stock room. It ran 1 million instructions 
per second and could address one mByte of RAM.  And I DREAMED of owning 
one of these things.

http://www.old-computers.com/history/detail.asp?n=20&t=3

Today I own a Samsung S7 phone which has 4 cores, each running several 
ghz, and has 4 gbytes of ram, and it is my own supercomputer (only 
dreamed of in 1984) in my pocket.

On 8/7/2016 12:13 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I still remember the date on which I purchased my first computer:
> 15-Mar-1983. It was a Taiwanese clone of an Apple II  called Unitron, and
> the guy I bought it from had installed a CP/M card, I think from a company
> whose name began with Z but I don't think it was Zenith. Anyway, I bought
> the computer used, and it came with no hard disk (it was 1983), just a pair
> of floppy drives that each could store a whopping 128k of data. The box
> came with several disks, including WordStar, dBASE-II and Supercalc. I
> hated Apple SOS 3 and vastly preferred the C/PM side. I fell in love with
> dBASE-II and discovered a really cool trick wherein you could another notch
> into the opposing side of the 5.5" disk, and then copy stuff to the newly
> exposed side. So, in my basement way, I invented multi-tasking, on a 64k
> box. I had WordStar on one side of the disk, and dBASE-II on the other. I
> used to run WordStar to write code, then select Run from its menu, quickly
> flip the disk in its floppy drive, and then type "Do". It was the trend
> back then to shorten dBASE-II to "Do"; hence.
>
> None of this and my subsequent career would have been possible without Gary
> Kildall, the creator of CP/M, whose memoirs
> <http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/geek-life/history/cpm-creator-gary-kildalls-memoirs-released-as-free-download>
> are
> now available just back there, at the link.nine words previous. It brought
> back a flood of memories.
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Aug  7 23:32:20 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 00:32:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
Message-ID: <e343c198-71c0-abd9-bfb3-95fc14d38653@torchlake.com>

Hi,

When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I 
mean huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it 
to a pdf so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB. 
This is ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic 
artist after he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of 
what I sent out.

I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and 
then I need to correct whatever the reason is.

Does anybody here have experience with this?

Thanks for any thoughts,

TNf


-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 09:35:34 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:35:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
In-Reply-To: <e343c198-71c0-abd9-bfb3-95fc14d38653@torchlake.com>
References: <e343c198-71c0-abd9-bfb3-95fc14d38653@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFxe=LCShvR3dF8fPfg2Zq32R96PFA0wW_VyQwaWzbu+g@mail.gmail.com>

When Exporting to PDF, have you tried all the various PDF Presets to
try and get a smaller size?

B


On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I mean
> huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it to a pdf
> so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB. This is
> ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic artist after
> he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of what I sent out.
>
> I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and then
> I need to correct whatever the reason is.
>
> Does anybody here have experience with this?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
>
> TNf
>
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Aug  8 16:24:11 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:24:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFxe=LCShvR3dF8fPfg2Zq32R96PFA0wW_VyQwaWzbu+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e343c198-71c0-abd9-bfb3-95fc14d38653@torchlake.com>
	<CAAZtbWFxe=LCShvR3dF8fPfg2Zq32R96PFA0wW_VyQwaWzbu+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e0fd171-4b36-38a1-a3d1-35804ea7b210@torchlake.com>

I think I found the culprit.

Back story, here.  The printer uses cmyk color space, of course, while 
most of my graphics are in rgb color space.  With the printer's 
representative, we set up a preset just for preparing pdfs for them, 
because we all thought that might produce better quality photos in the 
paper.  Well, the problem is inside that one (and it really wasn't 
helping any, either).

I switched to the high quality compression and ran a trial - this time I 
got a pdf of about 12 MB, whereas the one that was created from the 
printer's preset was over 600MB!. Holy Toledo!

Since when I package the InDesign project and send it off to my graphics 
guy for the ads, he then recreates a final pdf and it's always a 
reasonable size - even though I know he got the monster pdf from me.

I'm much happier, today, since I made that switch.

Thank you for responding,

TNF


Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/08/16 10:35 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> When Exporting to PDF, have you tried all the various PDF Presets to
> try and get a smaller size?
>
> B
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I mean
>> huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it to a pdf
>> so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB. This is
>> ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic artist after
>> he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of what I sent out.
>>
>> I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and then
>> I need to correct whatever the reason is.
>>
>> Does anybody here have experience with this?
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts,
>>
>> TNf
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  8 21:58:05 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 20:58:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
In-Reply-To: <e343c198-71c0-abd9-bfb3-95fc14d38653@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <450425667.49958762.1470711485185.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Set PDF compression mode on...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:32:20 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf

Hi,

When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I 
mean huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it 
to a pdf so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB. 
This is ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic 
artist after he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of 
what I sent out.

I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and 
then I need to correct whatever the reason is.

Does anybody here have experience with this?

Thanks for any thoughts,

TNf


-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 22:03:20 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 23:03:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
In-Reply-To: <6e0fd171-4b36-38a1-a3d1-35804ea7b210@torchlake.com>
References: <e343c198-71c0-abd9-bfb3-95fc14d38653@torchlake.com>
	<CAAZtbWFxe=LCShvR3dF8fPfg2Zq32R96PFA0wW_VyQwaWzbu+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e0fd171-4b36-38a1-a3d1-35804ea7b210@torchlake.com>
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Glad you got it sorted out.

B

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> I think I found the culprit.
>
> Back story, here.  The printer uses cmyk color space, of course, while most
> of my graphics are in rgb color space.  With the printer's representative,
> we set up a preset just for preparing pdfs for them, because we all thought
> that might produce better quality photos in the paper.  Well, the problem is
> inside that one (and it really wasn't helping any, either).
>
> I switched to the high quality compression and ran a trial - this time I got
> a pdf of about 12 MB, whereas the one that was created from the printer's
> preset was over 600MB!. Holy Toledo!
>
> Since when I package the InDesign project and send it off to my graphics guy
> for the ads, he then recreates a final pdf and it's always a reasonable size
> - even though I know he got the monster pdf from me.
>
> I'm much happier, today, since I made that switch.
>
> Thank you for responding,
>
> TNF
>
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 08/08/16 10:35 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
>>
>> When Exporting to PDF, have you tried all the various PDF Presets to
>> try and get a smaller size?
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Tina Norris Fields
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I
>>> mean
>>> huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it to a
>>> pdf
>>> so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB. This is
>>> ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic artist
>>> after
>>> he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of what I sent out.
>>>
>>> I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and
>>> then
>>> I need to correct whatever the reason is.
>>>
>>> Does anybody here have experience with this?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any thoughts,
>>>
>>> TNf
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Aug  9 07:38:58 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 08:38:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
In-Reply-To: <450425667.49958762.1470711485185.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <450425667.49958762.1470711485185.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ab0518f-760b-5b9f-8f73-9f732ff7e2c3@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,

It was, indeed, in the compression settings.  I'm now using the "high 
quality" compression mode. This simple change resulted in producing a 
12MB pdf from the same InDesign document that had produced a 600MB pdf.  
Absolutely mind blowing difference!

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/08/16 10:58 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Set PDF compression mode on...
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:32:20 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
>
> Hi,
>
> When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I
> mean huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it
> to a pdf so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB.
> This is ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic
> artist after he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of
> what I sent out.
>
> I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and
> then I need to correct whatever the reason is.
>
> Does anybody here have experience with this?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
>
> TNf
>
>


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 09:03:05 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:03:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
In-Reply-To: <0ab0518f-760b-5b9f-8f73-9f732ff7e2c3@torchlake.com>
References: <450425667.49958762.1470711485185.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<0ab0518f-760b-5b9f-8f73-9f732ff7e2c3@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <57dd0322-ea95-2520-8236-ac1e7d7c57d0@gmail.com>

The compressor does its magic by tracking how many pixels are the same 
value as the previous pixel.  In photos, often times only areas like sky 
or grass are the same value.  In a document most of the pixels are the 
same as the previous pixel.  Thus the same compressor will have 
radically different compression ratios depending on the data in the 
screen data.


On 8/9/2016 8:38 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> It was, indeed, in the compression settings.  I'm now using the "high 
> quality" compression mode. This simple change resulted in producing a 
> 12MB pdf from the same InDesign document that had produced a 600MB 
> pdf.  Absolutely mind blowing difference!
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 08/08/16 10:58 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Set PDF compression mode on...
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>> To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:32:20 PM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I
>> mean huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it
>> to a pdf so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB.
>> This is ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic
>> artist after he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of
>> what I sent out.
>>
>> I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and
>> then I need to correct whatever the reason is.
>>
>> Does anybody here have experience with this?
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts,
>>
>> TNf
>>
>>
>
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>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 10:21:35 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:21:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Computer Connections: People, Places,
 and Events in the Evolution of the Personal Computer Industry."
In-Reply-To: <5a0b3425-6d99-27b4-7ea1-f15131592113@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hVvfu2BDAmQLkrjD5r8uzE6cjaCWtDakDKmZr0BCL0FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5a0b3425-6d99-27b4-7ea1-f15131592113@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hoidS0rUuDp6rqZV2uPvJhd=7u0YaMkx4ceJfsyMzVbg@mail.gmail.com>

JWC,

To paraphrase T.S.Eliot, "We grow old, we grow old, We shall wear the
bottoms of our trousers rolled."

Arthur
?

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Aug  9 10:36:22 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:36:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
In-Reply-To: <57dd0322-ea95-2520-8236-ac1e7d7c57d0@gmail.com>
References: <450425667.49958762.1470711485185.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<0ab0518f-760b-5b9f-8f73-9f732ff7e2c3@torchlake.com>
	<57dd0322-ea95-2520-8236-ac1e7d7c57d0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb66f534-65e4-750c-842a-0dda393c1431@torchlake.com>

True, true.  The amazing difference in size of the pdf generated from 
the same InDesign document (down from 600MB to 12MB) is evidence enough 
for me that the problem in my stuff was the compression setting.

Thanks to everyone who offered a thought.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/09/16 10:03 AM, John Colby wrote:
> The compressor does its magic by tracking how many pixels are the same 
> value as the previous pixel.  In photos, often times only areas like 
> sky or grass are the same value.  In a document most of the pixels are 
> the same as the previous pixel. Thus the same compressor will have 
> radically different compression ratios depending on the data in the 
> screen data.
>
>
> On 8/9/2016 8:38 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> It was, indeed, in the compression settings.  I'm now using the "high 
>> quality" compression mode. This simple change resulted in producing a 
>> 12MB pdf from the same InDesign document that had produced a 600MB 
>> pdf.  Absolutely mind blowing difference!
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 08/08/16 10:58 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> Set PDF compression mode on...
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>>> To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:32:20 PM
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe InDesign to pdf
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When I export an Adobe InDesign document to a pdf, I get a huge pdf - I
>>> mean huge. I completed a 12-page tabloid-size newspaper and exported it
>>> to a pdf so my partner could look it over. The thing was over 600 MB.
>>> This is ridiculous. When I get the completed pdf back from my graphic
>>> artist after he places the ad artwork, the pdf is a tenth the size of
>>> what I sent out.
>>>
>>> I need to discover why my InDesign documents become gigantic pdfs, and
>>> then I need to correct whatever the reason is.
>>>
>>> Does anybody here have experience with this?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any thoughts,
>>>
>>> TNf
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 12:25:28 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:25:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ebook - HTML5 & CSS3 for the Real World: 2nd Edition
Message-ID: <00f701d1f3f5$5b3ce6b0$11b6b410$@winhaven.net>

Some of you dabbling in this may be interested:
http://tinyurl.com/ht2dfp6



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 12:30:07 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:30:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ebook - HTML5 & CSS3 for the Real World: 2nd Edition
In-Reply-To: <00f701d1f3f5$5b3ce6b0$11b6b410$@winhaven.net>
References: <00f701d1f3f5$5b3ce6b0$11b6b410$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWEjVb+D466r+tajffUvUaUXcEej0G2jwJT6bjVPhXjY3g@mail.gmail.com>

Cool. Thanks John!

B

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:25 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Some of you dabbling in this may be interested:
> http://tinyurl.com/ht2dfp6
>
>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 12:30:28 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:30:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat to
	Internet users
Message-ID: <00fa01d1f3f6$0dda26c0$298e7440$@winhaven.net>

FYI:
"The Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) implementation in all Linux systems
deployed since 2012 (version 3.6 and above of the Linux kernel) poses a
serious threat to Internet users, whether or not they use Linux directly."
http://tinyurl.com/hbm6wlu



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 12:57:14 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:57:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
 to	Internet users
In-Reply-To: <00fa01d1f3f6$0dda26c0$298e7440$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1778184102.52159873.1470938234901.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Now that possible hack could be very serious as all our industry, government, banking and all major business back-bones are built on Linux.

OTOH, I would suspect as tradition, the Linux community, via the Linux Foundation, has been made aware of this long before the information became public and fixes have been rolling out. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:30:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat to	Internet users

FYI:
"The Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) implementation in all Linux systems
deployed since 2012 (version 3.6 and above of the Linux kernel) poses a
serious threat to Internet users, whether or not they use Linux directly."
http://tinyurl.com/hbm6wlu


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 13:16:28 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:16:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys for
	UEFI
Message-ID: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>

Oh great, Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys that allow
hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
Interface) Secure Boot feature.
What's even worse? 
It will be impossible for Microsoft to undo its leak.

http://tinyurl.com/jeqtkt2


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 13:28:10 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:28:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
 to	Internet users
In-Reply-To: <1778184102.52159873.1470938234901.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <363874630.52188346.1470940090084.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

All that said I took the precaution to update all my Linux boxes. :-)

As from the article: 

1. Edited /etc/sysctl.conf file and added the line: net.ipv4.tcp_challenge_ack_limit = 999999999

2. ...And forced an immediate update: sysctl -p 

I wonder if it is necessary and if necessary whether most companies have in fact implemented the solution?
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:57:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat to	Internet users

Now that possible hack could be very serious as all our industry, government, banking and all major business back-bones are built on Linux.

OTOH, I would suspect as tradition, the Linux community, via the Linux Foundation, has been made aware of this long before the information became public and fixes have been rolling out. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:30:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat to	Internet users

FYI:
"The Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) implementation in all Linux systems
deployed since 2012 (version 3.6 and above of the Linux kernel) poses a
serious threat to Internet users, whether or not they use Linux directly."
http://tinyurl.com/hbm6wlu


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 13:40:07 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:40:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
 for	UEFI
In-Reply-To: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1708592150.52198259.1470940807546.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I just wish Microsoft would stop making these backdoors into their products. They always get discovered. That is why many companies have an aversion to creating backdoors.

Now we will see how long the security holes take to fix and how fast a business hacker can take advantage of the hole. I wonder if Microsoft got information about this potential breach, before it was made public and has already added a fix? I can not believe that there is no fix...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:16:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys for	UEFI

Oh great, Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys that allow
hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
Interface) Secure Boot feature.
What's even worse? 
It will be impossible for Microsoft to undo its leak.

http://tinyurl.com/jeqtkt2

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 13:43:04 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:43:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
 to Internet users
In-Reply-To: <363874630.52188346.1470940090084.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1778184102.52159873.1470938234901.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<363874630.52188346.1470940090084.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGjbCFzJsgrfGMoFLFN1ADMbsiQLsH4jdMNmEDvzOOKfQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I wonder if it is necessary and if necessary whether most companies have in fact implemented the solution?

I would venture a guess that 95+% of the businesses have NOT heard of
this. And of those that have very few have probably done anything
about it.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 14:07:10 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:07:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ebook - HTML5 & CSS3 for the Real World: 2nd Edition
In-Reply-To: <00f701d1f3f5$5b3ce6b0$11b6b410$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <434322552.52233430.1470942430104.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Thanks for the link. I have now downloaded my PDF copy and have been doing some quick scans.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:25:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ebook - HTML5 & CSS3 for the Real World: 2nd Edition

Some of you dabbling in this may be interested:
http://tinyurl.com/ht2dfp6


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 14:10:16 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:10:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell
In-Reply-To: <00f701d1f3f5$5b3ce6b0$11b6b410$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1343693950.52235767.1470942616288.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

If you have not already done so, here is a tutorial on how to install the Bash shell on you Windows 10.

http://bit.ly/2aZZUmh

Jim

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 14:10:53 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:10:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
	for UEFI
In-Reply-To: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>
References: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+eWdJnPTnHM5E6kFtWuaxeM-sA4p77fX1Oo8-yxV5w+JQ@mail.gmail.com>

accidentally leak?

how is that even possible?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 2:16 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Oh great, Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys that allow
> hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
> Interface) Secure Boot feature.
> What's even worse?
> It will be impossible for Microsoft to undo its leak.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jeqtkt2
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 14:12:32 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:12:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
 to Internet users
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGjbCFzJsgrfGMoFLFN1ADMbsiQLsH4jdMNmEDvzOOKfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <970399222.52237667.1470942752181.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Yes, of course, we both know how fast governments work on patching their systems. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:43:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat to Internet users

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I wonder if it is necessary and if necessary whether most companies have in fact implemented the solution?

I would venture a guess that 95+% of the businesses have NOT heard of
this. And of those that have very few have probably done anything
about it.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 11 14:21:06 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:21:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
	for	UEFI
In-Reply-To: <1708592150.52198259.1470940807546.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>
	<1708592150.52198259.1470940807546.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <009e01d1f405$840ddd50$8c2997f0$@bchacc.com>

You would think, if it's a key, the key can be changed.  And a patch
distributed.  Seems too easy...

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
for UEFI

I just wish Microsoft would stop making these backdoors into their products.
They always get discovered. That is why many companies have an aversion to
creating backdoors.

Now we will see how long the security holes take to fix and how fast a
business hacker can take advantage of the hole. I wonder if Microsoft got
information about this potential breach, before it was made public and has
already added a fix? I can not believe that there is no fix...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:16:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys for
UEFI

Oh great, Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys that allow
hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
Interface) Secure Boot feature.
What's even worse? 
It will be impossible for Microsoft to undo its leak.

http://tinyurl.com/jeqtkt2

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 15:35:31 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:35:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 10 Pro downgrade period extended
Message-ID: <014801d1f40f$e7a65720$b6f30560$@winhaven.net>

Microsoft has EXTENDED Win 10 Pro downgrade to Win 7 Pro or 8.1 Pro EOL on
Skylake systems for 1 year.

Some OEM Vendors plan to offer a downgrade option for Windows 10 Pro to
Windows 7 Pro or 8.1 Pro until October 31, 2017.


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 15:40:31 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:40:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret
	keys	for	UEFI
In-Reply-To: <009e01d1f405$840ddd50$8c2997f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>	<1708592150.52198259.1470940807546.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<009e01d1f405$840ddd50$8c2997f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <014d01d1f410$9ab544c0$d01fce40$@winhaven.net>

I don't think so. It built-in to the hardware so MS would probably have to
do this in conjunction with each MB manufacturer and OEM vendor. Just
getting that kind of cooperation sounds like a mess to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:21 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
for UEFI

You would think, if it's a key, the key can be changed.  And a patch
distributed.  Seems too easy...

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
for UEFI

I just wish Microsoft would stop making these backdoors into their products.
They always get discovered. That is why many companies have an aversion to
creating backdoors.

Now we will see how long the security holes take to fix and how fast a
business hacker can take advantage of the hole. I wonder if Microsoft got
information about this potential breach, before it was made public and has
already added a fix? I can not believe that there is no fix...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:16:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys for
UEFI

Oh great, Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys that allow
hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
Interface) Secure Boot feature.
What's even worse? 
It will be impossible for Microsoft to undo its leak.

http://tinyurl.com/jeqtkt2

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 15:40:31 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:40:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret
	keys	for UEFI
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+eWdJnPTnHM5E6kFtWuaxeM-sA4p77fX1Oo8-yxV5w+JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>
	<CA++Sg+eWdJnPTnHM5E6kFtWuaxeM-sA4p77fX1Oo8-yxV5w+JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <014e01d1f410$9b09cd60$d11d6820$@winhaven.net>

Sounds a bit fishy, doesn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
for UEFI

accidentally leak?

how is that even possible?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 2:16 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Oh great, Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys that allow 
> hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI (Unified Extensible 
> Firmware
> Interface) Secure Boot feature.
> What's even worse?
> It will be impossible for Microsoft to undo its leak.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/jeqtkt2
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 15:40:31 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:40:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell
In-Reply-To: <1343693950.52235767.1470942616288.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <00f701d1f3f5$5b3ce6b0$11b6b410$@winhaven.net>
	<1343693950.52235767.1470942616288.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <014f01d1f410$9b5de0d0$d219a270$@winhaven.net>

Linux in Windows 10 has created a big security problem for Windows.
Apparently it was a poorly done implementation and leaves a number of
security feature built-in to Windows vulnerable from the Linux side.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Hi All:

If you have not already done so, here is a tutorial on how to install the
Bash shell on you Windows 10.

http://bit.ly/2aZZUmh

Jim
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 15:40:31 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:40:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
	for	UEFI
In-Reply-To: <1708592150.52198259.1470940807546.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>
	<1708592150.52198259.1470940807546.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <015201d1f410$9baff870$d30fe950$@winhaven.net>

Agreed

There should be a fix but I'd think it would have to be in conjunction with
the hardware vendors.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:40 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
for UEFI

I just wish Microsoft would stop making these backdoors into their products.
They always get discovered. That is why many companies have an aversion to
creating backdoors.

Now we will see how long the security holes take to fix and how fast a
business hacker can take advantage of the hole. I wonder if Microsoft got
information about this potential breach, before it was made public and has
already added a fix? I can not believe that there is no fix...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:16:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys for
UEFI

Oh great, Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys that allow
hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
Interface) Secure Boot feature.
What's even worse? 
It will be impossible for Microsoft to undo its leak.

http://tinyurl.com/jeqtkt2

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 15:40:31 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:40:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
	to	Internet users
In-Reply-To: <363874630.52188346.1470940090084.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1778184102.52159873.1470938234901.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<363874630.52188346.1470940090084.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <015301d1f410$9be81f70$d3b85e50$@winhaven.net>

I would think necessary and that not most companies have implemented it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:28 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
to Internet users

All that said I took the precaution to update all my Linux boxes. :-)

As from the article: 

1. Edited /etc/sysctl.conf file and added the line:
net.ipv4.tcp_challenge_ack_limit = 999999999

2. ...And forced an immediate update: sysctl -p 

I wonder if it is necessary and if necessary whether most companies have in
fact implemented the solution?
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:57:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
to	Internet users

Now that possible hack could be very serious as all our industry,
government, banking and all major business back-bones are built on Linux.

OTOH, I would suspect as tradition, the Linux community, via the Linux
Foundation, has been made aware of this long before the information became
public and fixes have been rolling out. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:30:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat to
Internet users

FYI:
"The Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) implementation in all Linux systems
deployed since 2012 (version 3.6 and above of the Linux kernel) poses a
serious threat to Internet users, whether or not they use Linux directly."
http://tinyurl.com/hbm6wlu


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 16:55:53 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:55:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the
	Secret	keys	for UEFI
In-Reply-To: <014e01d1f410$9b09cd60$d11d6820$@winhaven.net>
References: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>	<CA++Sg+eWdJnPTnHM5E6kFtWuaxeM-sA4p77fX1Oo8-yxV5w+JQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<014e01d1f410$9b09cd60$d11d6820$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <009a01d1f41b$22876d10$67964730$@gmail.com>

Well... a "leak" is intentional. You can accidentally expose data through
incompetence. :) 

Susan H. 


Sounds a bit fishy, doesn't it?

accidentally leak?

how is that even possible?




From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 17:12:20 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:12:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious
	threat	to	Internet users
In-Reply-To: <015301d1f410$9be81f70$d3b85e50$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <150177475.52378523.1470953540191.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

If previous situations are any example; like the famous SSH heart-bleed bug, when it took just two weeks, from discovery to having a permanent solution and rolling out the upgrades. The Linux foundation is a very large and prestigious group;   

Fujitsu Ltd, Hewlett-Packard Development Co. LP, Intel Corp., IBM Corp., NEC Corp., Oracle Corp., Qualcomm Innovation Center Inc., Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd, Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Bloomberg LP, China Mobile Ltd, Cisco Systems Inc., Citrix Systems, Electronics and Telecommunications Research Inst., Google Inc., Hitachi Ltd, Huawei, Motorola Solutions Inc., NetApp Inc., NYSE Technologies, Panasonic Corp., SUSE, Toyota Motor Corp., Adobe Systems Inc., ARM Holdings PLC, Broadcom Corp., Canonical Ltd, Dell Inc., DreamWorks Animation LLC, EMC Corp., HSA Foundation, Igalia S.L., Inktank, Jaguar Land Rover, Lexmark International, Inc., LG Electronics Inc., MIPS Technologies Inc., Nvidia, OwnCloud, Protecode Inc., PayPal, Red Hat Inc., Renesas Electronics Corp., Siemens AG, Solace Systems, Sony Corp., Texas Instruments Inc., Tieto, Tuxera, Twitter, Toshiba Corp., Valve Corporation, VMware Inc, Yahoo, and so on and so on... Even Microsoft.

There is a difference between the importance of any desktop OS going sideways and the Linux OS going down. Linux is the core of the internet and every large company and government agency in the world.

That is why I hold such trust in the security of the Linux OS...there is almost an unlimited resource of self-enlightened interest of others the can afford it.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:40:31 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat	to	Internet users

I would think necessary and that not most companies have implemented it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:28 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
to Internet users

All that said I took the precaution to update all my Linux boxes. :-)

As from the article: 

1. Edited /etc/sysctl.conf file and added the line:
net.ipv4.tcp_challenge_ack_limit = 999999999

2. ...And forced an immediate update: sysctl -p 

I wonder if it is necessary and if necessary whether most companies have in
fact implemented the solution?
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:57:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat
to	Internet users

Now that possible hack could be very serious as all our industry,
government, banking and all major business back-bones are built on Linux.

OTOH, I would suspect as tradition, the Linux community, via the Linux
Foundation, has been made aware of this long before the information became
public and fixes have been rolling out. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:30:28 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] TCP implementation in Linux poses a serious threat to
Internet users

FYI:
"The Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) implementation in all Linux systems
deployed since 2012 (version 3.6 and above of the Linux kernel) poses a
serious threat to Internet users, whether or not they use Linux directly."
http://tinyurl.com/hbm6wlu


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 17:30:39 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:30:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell
In-Reply-To: <014f01d1f410$9b5de0d0$d219a270$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1928419264.52392767.1470954639127.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

You have got to love it. The Linux security model runs entirely different that than of Microsoft. Linux is by far, more secure. You would think if the two combined it would be a big plus for the MS OS and both would become better. Apparently not.

To my way of thinking, Microsoft has no alternative but to swap their root OS for Linux. They would then have to strongest back-end and the prettiest front-end. Apparently, just glueing on a Linux FE is a disaster...should we have been surprised?

OTOH, I will continue to bolt on a useful Bash shell to all my Windows10 desktops until an update from the Mothership either fixes it or Borks it all. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:40:31 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Linux in Windows 10 has created a big security problem for Windows.
Apparently it was a poorly done implementation and leaves a number of
security feature built-in to Windows vulnerable from the Linux side.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Hi All:

If you have not already done so, here is a tutorial on how to install the
Bash shell on you Windows 10.

http://bit.ly/2aZZUmh

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 17:32:55 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 10 Pro downgrade period extended
In-Reply-To: <014801d1f40f$e7a65720$b6f30560$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <661950672.52394150.1470954775682.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

To be honest with you, every system is having problems with the new Skylake chip set.

Jim

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:35:31 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 10 Pro downgrade period extended

Microsoft has EXTENDED Win 10 Pro downgrade to Win 7 Pro or 8.1 Pro EOL on
Skylake systems for 1 year.

Some OEM Vendors plan to offer a downgrade option for Windows 10 Pro to
Windows 7 Pro or 8.1 Pro until October 31, 2017.

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 18:19:43 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:19:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked
	the	Secret	keys	for UEFI
In-Reply-To: <009a01d1f41b$22876d10$67964730$@gmail.com>
References: <010801d1f3fc$7b44a720$71cdf560$@winhaven.net>	<CA++Sg+eWdJnPTnHM5E6kFtWuaxeM-sA4p77fX1Oo8-yxV5w+JQ@mail.gmail.com>	<014e01d1f410$9b09cd60$d11d6820$@winhaven.net>
	<009a01d1f41b$22876d10$67964730$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018c01d1f426$d7ea34c0$87be9e40$@winhaven.net>

I'd hope for the latter but would guess the first.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:56 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys
for UEFI

Well... a "leak" is intentional. You can accidentally expose data through
incompetence. :) 

Susan H. 


Sounds a bit fishy, doesn't it?

accidentally leak?

how is that even possible?



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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 11 18:19:43 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:19:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell
In-Reply-To: <1928419264.52392767.1470954639127.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <014f01d1f410$9b5de0d0$d219a270$@winhaven.net>
	<1928419264.52392767.1470954639127.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <018d01d1f426$d83e2120$88ba6360$@winhaven.net>

The problem lies in the way MS implemented Linux. I think many of originally
thought it was just a VM inside Windows or maybe a subset of Linux commands
built in to Windows. It's basically cohabitating the same space and has full
access to the hardware and windows file structure. And the Linux does not
respect the security models that Windows does so a hacker could get into
Linux and enable a blacklisted app to run in Windows! It's pretty bad.

I think they're headed the way you imagine. Windows will be a GUI Shell for
Linux core. And after that the Mac diehards will accuse MS of copying them
;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:31 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Hi John:

You have got to love it. The Linux security model runs entirely different
that than of Microsoft. Linux is by far, more secure. You would think if the
two combined it would be a big plus for the MS OS and both would become
better. Apparently not.

To my way of thinking, Microsoft has no alternative but to swap their root
OS for Linux. They would then have to strongest back-end and the prettiest
front-end. Apparently, just glueing on a Linux FE is a disaster...should we
have been surprised?

OTOH, I will continue to bolt on a useful Bash shell to all my Windows10
desktops until an update from the Mothership either fixes it or Borks it
all. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:40:31 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Linux in Windows 10 has created a big security problem for Windows.
Apparently it was a poorly done implementation and leaves a number of
security feature built-in to Windows vulnerable from the Linux side.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Hi All:

If you have not already done so, here is a tutorial on how to install the
Bash shell on you Windows 10.

http://bit.ly/2aZZUmh

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 11 20:34:25 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:34:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell
In-Reply-To: <018d01d1f426$d83e2120$88ba6360$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1811419507.52513631.1470965665821.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

You are right. The Bash shell is not running like a VM but running through a translation layer. The Linux shell processes are run against a series of apps via the powershell. There is not a one to one correlation between Windows and Linux functionality. On Linux each Linux process is a single standalone entity which is multi-user, multi-tasking and can spawn many associated processes but by its design is separated from the kernel. If a Linux process, for some reason fails, it has no impact on core processes...most likely it is quietly aborted, all its memory allocation is cleared and it carries on as if nothing happened. 

The Windows desktop is self-contained stand-alone system. There is only one user and its multi-tasking is built on percentage of processes being used. Too many processes running at once or an attempt to run multi-users will result in a system panic and the famous blue-screen. For Windows part it now has been built much more stable or is much better at recovering from mini-crashes..I don't know which. Windows still does not have the ability to recover from a serious system error by completely cleaning up the affected and damaged processes and continuing on.      

Aside: Linux is so powerful because it can combine processes or even computers, thousands of computers and their processes, together as a single entity. China is now the owner of the most powerful super-computer, in the world. Its design is not particularly sophisticated. They just took thousands of Linux boxes and connected them together... If a competitor gets too close in matching processing power, few hundred more boxes and the challenger disappears in the rear-vision mirrors. In the future, I do not see ever bigger networks being created but computer clusters...much like all the big computer companies...I would like to see all this capability in all sizes of business, each a cluster, fully interdependent use of hardware and software. We are not there yet but very close. 

In conclusion, that is why I say that Windows, in its current form, is just a more advanced single user machine and that by design limits its capability, reliability and by nature, its security.    

Jim
    
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:19:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

The problem lies in the way MS implemented Linux. I think many of originally
thought it was just a VM inside Windows or maybe a subset of Linux commands
built in to Windows. It's basically cohabitating the same space and has full
access to the hardware and windows file structure. And the Linux does not
respect the security models that Windows does so a hacker could get into
Linux and enable a blacklisted app to run in Windows! It's pretty bad.

I think they're headed the way you imagine. Windows will be a GUI Shell for
Linux core. And after that the Mac diehards will accuse MS of copying them
;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:31 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Hi John:

You have got to love it. The Linux security model runs entirely different
that than of Microsoft. Linux is by far, more secure. You would think if the
two combined it would be a big plus for the MS OS and both would become
better. Apparently not.

To my way of thinking, Microsoft has no alternative but to swap their root
OS for Linux. They would then have to strongest back-end and the prettiest
front-end. Apparently, just glueing on a Linux FE is a disaster...should we
have been surprised?

OTOH, I will continue to bolt on a useful Bash shell to all my Windows10
desktops until an update from the Mothership either fixes it or Borks it
all. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:40:31 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Linux in Windows 10 has created a big security problem for Windows.
Apparently it was a poorly done implementation and leaves a number of
security feature built-in to Windows vulnerable from the Linux side.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 2:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bash shell

Hi All:

If you have not already done so, here is a tutorial on how to install the
Bash shell on you Windows 10.

http://bit.ly/2aZZUmh

Jim
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 10:16:29 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:16:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i3+sDXbAUQ6dN-LY6qvfNw27DRdWWTVukUJ-10NhM1yw@mail.gmail.com>

This new baby, in a 3.5" form factor is intended for data centers (duh) It
is said to be able to store 12,000 movies.

-- 
Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Aug 12 11:01:54 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:01:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i3+sDXbAUQ6dN-LY6qvfNw27DRdWWTVukUJ-10NhM1yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i3+sDXbAUQ6dN-LY6qvfNw27DRdWWTVukUJ-10NhM1yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d1f4b2$d8b5e390$8a21aab0$@bchacc.com>

From: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/seagate-60tb-ssd-36pb-storage-pod-next/

The Seagate 60TB SSD comes in a 3.5-inch form factor. It uses a 12 Gbps SAS
interface and consumes 15 watts of power (average while active.)

R



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 8:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD

This new baby, in a 3.5" form factor is intended for data centers (duh) It
is said to be able to store 12,000 movies.

--
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Aug 12 11:22:26 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:22:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ebook - HTML5 & CSS3 for the Real World: 2nd Edition
In-Reply-To: <434322552.52233430.1470942430104.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <434322552.52233430.1470942430104.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <fd956941-ed44-21c1-3737-7c4c0ef354f9@torchlake.com>

Just got mine, too.  Thanks to John for posting.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/11/16 3:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Thanks for the link. I have now downloaded my PDF copy and have been doing some quick scans.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:25:28 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Ebook - HTML5 & CSS3 for the Real World: 2nd Edition
>
> Some of you dabbling in this may be interested:
> http://tinyurl.com/ht2dfp6
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 12 12:44:47 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:44:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <fd956941-ed44-21c1-3737-7c4c0ef354f9@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <985812442.52988410.1471023887418.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.

The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:

http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 12 12:51:51 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:51:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <985812442.52988410.1471023887418.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <626491512.52995955.1471024311427.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

PS Here is a link on how to install Ubuntu Linux in Windows 10: http://bit.ly/2aHVynT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:44:47 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10

Hi All:

There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.

The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:

http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp

Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 12 13:21:09 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:21:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD
In-Reply-To: <003b01d1f4b2$d8b5e390$8a21aab0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <857499691.53019290.1471026069878.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Rocky:

Oh, I need one or two...so they don't fit into laptops, yet?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 9:01:54 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD

From: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/seagate-60tb-ssd-36pb-storage-pod-next/

The Seagate 60TB SSD comes in a 3.5-inch form factor. It uses a 12 Gbps SAS
interface and consumes 15 watts of power (average while active.)

R



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 8:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD

This new baby, in a 3.5" form factor is intended for data centers (duh) It
is said to be able to store 12,000 movies.

--
Arthur
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Aug 12 13:36:03 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:36:03 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Linux_on_Windows_10?=
In-Reply-To: <985812442.52988410.1471023887418.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <fd956941-ed44-21c1-3737-7c4c0ef354f9@torchlake.com>
	<985812442.52988410.1471023887418.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1471026963.554137866@f369.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

<<<
When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>
Yes.

Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.

-- Shamil

>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi All:
>
>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>
>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>
>http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>
>Jim
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 12 14:14:38 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:14:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1471026963.554137866@f369.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1080044896.53057123.1471029278770.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

Have you installed Ubuntu on Windows, yet?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:36:03 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10

 Hi Jim --

<<<
When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>
Yes.

Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.

-- Shamil

>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi All:
>
>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>
>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>
>http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>
>Jim
>
>

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Aug 12 14:39:55 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:39:55 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Linux_on_Windows_10?=
In-Reply-To: <1080044896.53057123.1471029278770.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1471026963.554137866@f369.i.mail.ru>
	<1080044896.53057123.1471029278770.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1471030795.889542727@f146.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

No, I'm only planning to do that next week, after upgrading to Windows 10 Anniversary build version.

And you?

-- Shamil

>Friday, August 12, 2016 10:14 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Have you installed Ubuntu on Windows, yet?
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:36:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
><<<
>When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>>
>Yes.
>
>Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>>
>>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>>
>> http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Aug 12 15:02:22 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:02:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD
In-Reply-To: <857499691.53019290.1471026069878.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <003b01d1f4b2$d8b5e390$8a21aab0$@bchacc.com>
	<857499691.53019290.1471026069878.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <008401d1f4d4$70974160$51c5c420$@bchacc.com>

Patience, patience...

r

-----Original Message-----
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Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD

Hi Rocky:

Oh, I need one or two...so they don't fit into laptops, yet?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 9:01:54 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD

From: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/seagate-60tb-ssd-36pb-storage-pod-next/

The Seagate 60TB SSD comes in a 3.5-inch form factor. It uses a 12 Gbps SAS
interface and consumes 15 watts of power (average while active.)

R



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 8:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate announces 60TB SSD

This new baby, in a 3.5" form factor is intended for data centers (duh) It
is said to be able to store 12,000 movies.

--
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 12 15:58:57 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:58:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1471030795.889542727@f146.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1566423677.53139080.1471035537695.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

Ma?ana...next week...hopefully

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 12:39:55 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10

 Hi Jim --

No, I'm only planning to do that next week, after upgrading to Windows 10 Anniversary build version.

And you?

-- Shamil

>Friday, August 12, 2016 10:14 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Have you installed Ubuntu on Windows, yet?
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:36:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
><<<
>When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>>
>Yes.
>
>Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>>
>>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>>
>> http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 14 00:09:15 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:09:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Webserver upgrade
In-Reply-To: <626491512.52995955.1471024311427.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <131305270.53897795.1471151355586.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Last night we went out at 12:00AM and watched the Perseid meteorite shower. What a show.

Here is earth we started a new webserver, Arthur the III. (It was named after the kid's favourite cat named Arthur...in case you are wondering.) 

The first Arthur webserver (1998) was a Pentium 200, with 72MB RAM, three drives, 3.8GB, 6.2GB and 39GB and ran Debian Linux 1.1
It ran Apache web server, SSH server... (Cost nothing as it was built from spare parts.)

The second Arthur webserver (2006) was ASUS, 32bit, with 2GB RAM, two drives, 500GB IDE and a 250GB external IDE drive and is running Debian Linux 3.2. It runs Apache web server, SSH server, XEN virtual drive servers... (refurbished from old Animation server...had three drives but two failed...) 

The third Arthur webserver (2016) is Lenevo, thinkcentre, 64bit, full hardware virtualization, 8GB RAM, with slots for another 8 GB, i7 dual core, 3.87MHz, a 1xTB harddrive plus external IDE drives and will be running Ubuntu 16.04. It will run Apache web server, SSH server, OpenVPN (SSL server), Docker containers, Slack server/client, Wordpress, Nodejs, MariaDB and a bunch of other toys...May get an SSD at one point probably not necessary on this webserver as I am not doing any major database work. (Cost $250...via an expired lease.)

The preparation of Arthur the III should be a great learning experience. Initial assembly will be done on a couple of Github accounts. Virtual testing will be done off site via a Cloud based droplet using Vagrant to run up test sites. Each web site group will be installed in a isolated Docker container. The server will be kept fresh using Ansible to automatically build all applications, policies, configuration files and dependencies (the server could hard crash as all it would take is the core OS to be run up, an internet connections and the whole server and all related systems will be completely re-installed...this is not an image restore but a totally new installation.) Will also be using Slack for full communications; runs on all protocols, fully programmable messaging services across any network or internet clients or groups of clients. The best way I can describe it is, Slack is to Blat as an Exchange server is to Outlook. Aside: Would love to get a pair of the famous Slack socks. :-)

Should have the new system up and running in a few days. The challenge will be to get the new server up, running and swap over all the addresses and ports without experiencing any noticeable downtime. 

Jim  


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 07:27:45 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:27:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Webserver upgrade
In-Reply-To: <131305270.53897795.1471151355586.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <626491512.52995955.1471024311427.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<131305270.53897795.1471151355586.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g342Zn=Cvek69GMEf3tGhRCP4FW3WPprFRNXrP1oxnWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Sounds like a fun project!

Arthur
?

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 07:29:00 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:29:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Webserver upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g342Zn=Cvek69GMEf3tGhRCP4FW3WPprFRNXrP1oxnWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <626491512.52995955.1471024311427.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<131305270.53897795.1471151355586.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAEPJO1g342Zn=Cvek69GMEf3tGhRCP4FW3WPprFRNXrP1oxnWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ixhR6xpFZxx1OVs3Z3ejrmRPSdj9eGq_Sd5AVLB6GWQw@mail.gmail.com>

Aw, Jim. I thought you named it after me!

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Sounds like a fun project!
>
> Arthur
> ?
>



-- 
Arthur

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Aug 15 05:00:58 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:00:58 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Win_10_Anniversary_Update?=
Message-ID: <1471255258.967648337@f39.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Has anybody here got Win 10 Anniversary update installed?
It has been announced to be available since August 2, 2016 but I don't see it in Settings -> Update & Security -> Windows Update -> Check for Update as described here

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/08/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/ ?

There seems to be a way to get Win 10 Anniversary Update ISO image

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12387/windows-10-update-history ?

Any thoughts?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Aug 15 05:57:48 2016
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:57:48 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 10 Anniversary Update
In-Reply-To: <1471255258.967648337@f39.i.mail.ru>
References: <1471255258.967648337@f39.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <274d1e9eaae106074d6879896c6a4129@imap.plus.net>

Hi Shamil

Yes, I've got it. Installed on my desktop on Wednesday in about 10 
minutes, and on my laptop on Friday night in around half an hour.

The GUI is a little different, a bit more polished etc, and best of all 
it fixed the problem where my wireless card wasn't working on my laptop, 
so I can be mobile again :-)

On my desktop it came down through Windows Update, and on my laptop I 
had to go here: 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10


Jon

On 15.08.2016 11:00, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi All --
>
> Has anybody here got Win 10 Anniversary update installed?
> It has been announced to be available since August 2, 2016 but I
> don't see it in Settings -> Update & Security -> Windows Update ->
> Check for Update as described here
>
> 
> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/08/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
> ?
>
> There seems to be a way to get Win 10 Anniversary Update ISO image
>
> 
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12387/windows-10-update-history 
> ?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thank you.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 15 06:22:10 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:22:10 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 10 Anniversary Update
Message-ID: <HE1PR0601MB22022EBB5DAEE34FB039B617CA120@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

You would have had it if you joined the insider ring for most early updates.

It works great for me on a couple of machines.
If you can't wait, follow the link provided by Jon.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 15. august 2016 12:01
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Win 10 Anniversary Update

 Hi All --

Has anybody here got Win 10 Anniversary update installed?
It has been announced to be available since August 2, 2016 but I don't see it in Settings -> Update & Security -> Windows Update -> Check for Update as described here

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/08/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/ ?

There seems to be a way to get Win 10 Anniversary Update ISO image

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12387/windows-10-update-history ?

Any thoughts?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ?????? 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 15 17:46:21 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 16:46:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Webserver upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g342Zn=Cvek69GMEf3tGhRCP4FW3WPprFRNXrP1oxnWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1780219414.55015773.1471301181528.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

It should be but as always progress is slower than it should be. Every piece of software is a new challenge...and much that I have learned I have forgotten....it a too long of spell between last system.

Jim

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From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:27:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Webserver upgrade

Jim,

Sounds like a fun project!

Arthur
?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 15 18:05:07 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:05:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Webserver upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ixhR6xpFZxx1OVs3Z3ejrmRPSdj9eGq_Sd5AVLB6GWQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487071721.55029426.1471302307374.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Maybe, you were named Arthur after the same source and for the same reason. I have always believed that names hold a power, to demonstrate lineage or foretell characteristics. My daughters' were the ones who named the cat...it turned out to be the biggest cat we ever owned; 25 lbs and no fat.  

"...The meaning of this name is unknown. It could be derived from the Celtic elements artos "bear" combined with viros "man" or rigos "king". Alternatively it could be related to an obscure Roman family name Artorius. Arthur is the name of the central character in Arthurian legend, a 6th-century king of the Britons who resisted Saxon invaders."

When he died his name naturally graced our webserver (also named by our daughters) in the hope that the computer would have his characteristics ...strong, reliable, intelligent and easy natured....it has proved to be all that so the name goes forward to the new generation. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:29:00 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Webserver upgrade

Aw, Jim. I thought you named it after me!

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Sounds like a fun project!
>
> Arthur
> ?
>



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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Aug 16 02:09:31 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:09:31 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Win_10_Anniversary_Update?=
In-Reply-To: <274d1e9eaae106074d6879896c6a4129@imap.plus.net>
References: <1471255258.967648337@f39.i.mail.ru>
	<274d1e9eaae106074d6879896c6a4129@imap.plus.net>
Message-ID: <1471331371.220145033@f131.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jon --

Thank you for the subject downloading link. I have got it installed but it took several hours after downloading, which completed in in minutes.

-- Shamil


>Monday, August 15, 2016 1:57 PM +03:00 from Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes, I've got it. Installed on my desktop on Wednesday in about 10 
>minutes, and on my laptop on Friday night in around half an hour.
>
>The GUI is a little different, a bit more polished etc, and best of all 
>it fixed the problem where my wireless card wasn't working on my laptop, 
>so I can be mobile again :-)
>
>On my desktop it came down through Windows Update, and on my laptop I 
>had to go here: 
>https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10
>
>
>Jon
>
>On 15.08.2016 11:00, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> Hi All --
>>
>> Has anybody here got Win 10 Anniversary update installed?
>> It has been announced to be available since August 2, 2016 but I
>> don't see it in Settings -> Update & Security -> Windows Update ->
>> Check for Update as described here
>>
>> 
>>  https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/08/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
>> ?
>>
>> There seems to be a way to get Win 10 Anniversary Update ISO image
>>
>> 
>>  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12387/windows-10-update-history
>> ?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thank you.
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Aug 16 02:14:11 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:14:11 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Win_10_Anniversary_Update?=
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR0601MB22022EBB5DAEE34FB039B617CA120@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HE1PR0601MB22022EBB5DAEE34FB039B617CA120@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1471331651.488256666@f30.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, Jon's downloading link helped. The subject is now installed here on my laptop ?and it works very well - first impression is that the the applications are getting loaded and started quicker than with previous Win 10 version/build.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Monday, August 15, 2016 2:22 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>You would have had it if you joined the insider ring for most early updates.
>
>It works great for me on a couple of machines.
>If you can't wait, follow the link provided by Jon.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 15. august 2016 12:01
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Win 10 Anniversary Update
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Has anybody here got Win 10 Anniversary update installed?
>It has been announced to be available since August 2, 2016 but I don't see it in Settings -> Update & Security -> Windows Update -> Check for Update as described here
>
>https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/08/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/ ?
>
>There seems to be a way to get Win 10 Anniversary Update ISO image
>
>https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12387/windows-10-update-history ?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ?????? 
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Aug 16 02:30:11 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:30:11 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Linux_on_Windows_10?=
In-Reply-To: <1566423677.53139080.1471035537695.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1471030795.889542727@f146.i.mail.ru>
	<1566423677.53139080.1471035537695.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1471332611.245346337@f395.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I have got the subject installed as described here? http://tinyurl.com/z4e78ow ?.
Setup took several minutes to complete and "occupied" a couple of GB on my system disk.

-- Shamil

>Friday, August 12, 2016 11:58 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Ma?ana...next week...hopefully
>
>Jim 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 12:39:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>No, I'm only planning to do that next week, after upgrading to Windows 10 Anniversary build version.
>
>And you?
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Friday, August 12, 2016 10:14 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>Have you installed Ubuntu on Windows, yet?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:36:03 AM
>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>>
>>?Hi Jim --
>>
>><<<
>>When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>>>
>>>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>>>
>>>  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 18:57:40 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:57:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote On-Line
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iKgUAbwXnadfq2HwM0TCb=nfeHUSs3oJs2NARAR7h7WA@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone use this? I have created an on-line OneNote presence, but can't
figure out how to copy one of my notebooks from my PC to there.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 22:10:06 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:10:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote On-Line
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgUAbwXnadfq2HwM0TCb=nfeHUSs3oJs2NARAR7h7WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1599682966.57784460.1471489806109.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Sorry Arthur, I have no experience.

Jim

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:57:40 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote On-Line

Does anyone use this? I have created an on-line OneNote presence, but can't
figure out how to copy one of my notebooks from my PC to there.

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 20:31:15 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:31:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1471332611.245346337@f395.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <560163255.58764106.1471570275701.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

That is great to hear that. 

...But I have made no such progress. We have been working to clean up and separate all our photos from our holidays as we are having friends over this weekend and they are also planning a trip to Portugal, in the fall. The photos, Picassa and Adobe photoshop are all running on the same Windows 10 computer and my wife asked me not to do any upgrading until after the wekend. (That was not a request...) ;-)

Aside: A question; do you know of any simple browser based photo-slider-show application? I was planning on just running a slide-show and tell for our friends and the best screen surface would be our smart-tv...which runs some kind of firefox knock-off browser. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:30:11 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10

 Hi Jim --

I have got the subject installed as described here? http://tinyurl.com/z4e78ow ?.
Setup took several minutes to complete and "occupied" a couple of GB on my system disk.

-- Shamil

>Friday, August 12, 2016 11:58 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Ma?ana...next week...hopefully
>
>Jim 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 12:39:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>No, I'm only planning to do that next week, after upgrading to Windows 10 Anniversary build version.
>
>And you?
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Friday, August 12, 2016 10:14 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>Have you installed Ubuntu on Windows, yet?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:36:03 AM
>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>>
>>?Hi Jim --
>>
>><<<
>>When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>>>
>>>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>>>
>>>  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 06:48:55 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:48:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Open-sources PowerShell
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jJ5aVh8Ky=hQZfGfiL=Z+Hj4wWRRrm0p5PChEpTSww7Q@mail.gmail.com>

MS has open-sourced PowerShell
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-open-sources-powershell-brings-it-to-linux-and-mac-os-x/?ftag=TREc64629f&bhid=21863409688987418407535695381561>
and
made it available for OS X and Linux. So now we can run bash on Windows and
PowerShell on Linux. Ah, progress.

-- 
Arthur

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 16:41:38 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:41:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
Message-ID: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>

I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
gentle. 

 

Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop. 

 

Where do I start? 

 

Susan H. 


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 17:06:24 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 18:06:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>

Starting with the basics, just plug the monitor into the laptop. That
should just work.

If the laptop and monitor are new enough, there should be an HDMI port
that you can use, otherwise just use a VGA cable.

If the laptop image is the same on the laptop and the monitor, then
you will need to find the keyboard combo that switches between display
setting. Usually Fn+F1 or Fn+F8. (My Dell latitude is Fn+F8) Keep
pressing that until you have Extend selected. That will extend the
display onto the new monitor.

Once that is going, to use Netflix on the monitor, just drag your
browser window or tab to that screen and maximize it. Voila Netfilx on
the monitor.

Does that make sense?

B

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
> gentle.
>
>
>
> Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
> hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
> setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
> Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop.
>
>
>
> Where do I start?
>
>
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From df.waters at outlook.com  Fri Aug 19 17:14:30 2016
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:14:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS18508499F2CFE6687077A9F6160@phx.gbl>

Hi Susan,

I use 3 monitors so I can help.  :-)

1) Be sure the power cord on you external monitor is plugged in and then
turn that monitor on.
2) Plug the video cable from the monitor into the appropriate connector on
your laptop.  If the laptop doesn't have the correct connector then you'll
need to get an adaptor.
3) in Settings, do a search on Change Settings for Multiple Displays.  Leave
text size at 100% for now.  Orientation --> Landscape.  Under Multiple
Displays, select Extend or Duplicate depending on what you want to do (for
Netflix viewing I'm going to guess that Duplicate is the right choice).  If
needed, go to Advanced Display Settings to adjust the resolution for each
monitor.

Above all,
Watch the movie with your grandkids!!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 16:42
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor

I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
gentle. 

 

Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop. 

 

Where do I start? 

 

Susan H. 

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Aug 19 18:16:51 2016
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 00:16:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>

If you press Windows + P it brings up that menu on every Windows computer (since Windows 7) so you don't need to know Dell or HPs button combinations. 

Jon

Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta)

> On 19 Aug 2016, at 23:06, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Starting with the basics, just plug the monitor into the laptop. That
> should just work.
> 
> If the laptop and monitor are new enough, there should be an HDMI port
> that you can use, otherwise just use a VGA cable.
> 
> If the laptop image is the same on the laptop and the monitor, then
> you will need to find the keyboard combo that switches between display
> setting. Usually Fn+F1 or Fn+F8. (My Dell latitude is Fn+F8) Keep
> pressing that until you have Extend selected. That will extend the
> display onto the new monitor.
> 
> Once that is going, to use Netflix on the monitor, just drag your
> browser window or tab to that screen and maximize it. Voila Netfilx on
> the monitor.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> B
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
>> gentle.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
>> hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
>> setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
>> Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Where do I start?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Susan H.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 18:22:44 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 19:22:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d1fa70$97ad6760$c7083620$@gmail.com>

Bryan thanks! I'll give it a whirl and see what happens!

They're putting in dual monitors at work but a lot of the laptops are old
and it's proving to be a bit of a challenge for some of them. 

Susan H. 

Starting with the basics, just plug the monitor into the laptop. That should
just work.

If the laptop and monitor are new enough, there should be an HDMI port that
you can use, otherwise just use a VGA cable.

If the laptop image is the same on the laptop and the monitor, then you will
need to find the keyboard combo that switches between display setting.
Usually Fn+F1 or Fn+F8. (My Dell latitude is Fn+F8) Keep pressing that until
you have Extend selected. That will extend the display onto the new monitor.

Once that is going, to use Netflix on the monitor, just drag your browser
window or tab to that screen and maximize it. Voila Netfilx on the monitor.

Does that make sense?

B

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please 
> be gentle.
>
>
>
> Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a 
> large hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a 
> dual-monitor setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, 
> I'd like to run Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor
using the laptop.
>
>
>
> Where do I start?
>
>
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 18:24:12 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 19:24:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-DS18508499F2CFE6687077A9F6160@phx.gbl>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
	<BLU176-DS18508499F2CFE6687077A9F6160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001001d1fa70$cbe0bf00$63a23d00$@gmail.com>

Thank you!

We have Netflix on a big TV and we watch movies with them all the time.
Sometimes though, they like to watch when we're busy -- cooking dinner, that
sort of stuff. 

Susan H. 

Hi Susan,

I use 3 monitors so I can help.  :-)

1) Be sure the power cord on you external monitor is plugged in and then
turn that monitor on.
2) Plug the video cable from the monitor into the appropriate connector on
your laptop.  If the laptop doesn't have the correct connector then you'll
need to get an adaptor.
3) in Settings, do a search on Change Settings for Multiple Displays.  Leave
text size at 100% for now.  Orientation --> Landscape.  Under Multiple
Displays, select Extend or Duplicate depending on what you want to do (for
Netflix viewing I'm going to guess that Duplicate is the right choice).  If
needed, go to Advanced Display Settings to adjust the resolution for each
monitor.

Above all,
Watch the movie with your grandkids!!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 16:42
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor

I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
gentle. 

 

Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop. 

 

Where do I start? 

 

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 18:26:35 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 19:26:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>	<CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <001b01d1fa71$2178ac20$646a0460$@gmail.com>

Yelp... works great -- thank you for the tip!

Susan H. 

If you press Windows + P it brings up that menu on every Windows computer
(since Windows 7) so you don't need to know Dell or HPs button combinations.


Jon

Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta)

> On 19 Aug 2016, at 23:06, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Starting with the basics, just plug the monitor into the laptop. That 
> should just work.
> 
> If the laptop and monitor are new enough, there should be an HDMI port 
> that you can use, otherwise just use a VGA cable.
> 
> If the laptop image is the same on the laptop and the monitor, then 
> you will need to find the keyboard combo that switches between display 
> setting. Usually Fn+F1 or Fn+F8. (My Dell latitude is Fn+F8) Keep 
> pressing that until you have Extend selected. That will extend the 
> display onto the new monitor.
> 
> Once that is going, to use Netflix on the monitor, just drag your 
> browser window or tab to that screen and maximize it. Voila Netfilx on 
> the monitor.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> B
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please 
>> be gentle.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have 
>> a large hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a 
>> dual-monitor setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, 
>> I'd like to run Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor
using the laptop.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Where do I start?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Susan H.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a 
> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, 
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 19 18:59:15 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:59:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Open-sources PowerShell
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jJ5aVh8Ky=hQZfGfiL=Z+Hj4wWRRrm0p5PChEpTSww7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <393379351.59580502.1471651155002.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

I like it. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 4:48:55 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Open-sources PowerShell

MS has open-sourced PowerShell
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-open-sources-powershell-brings-it-to-linux-and-mac-os-x/?ftag=TREc64629f&bhid=21863409688987418407535695381561>
and
made it available for OS X and Linux. So now we can run bash on Windows and
PowerShell on Linux. Ah, progress.

-- 
Arthur
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 20:15:30 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 21:15:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHG=PwGSzhfgp2hCZkv75=_E0_7sR8ToFM=76cyWKVzPw@mail.gmail.com>

Didn't know that. Learn something new everyday!

Thanks Jon.

B

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> If you press Windows + P it brings up that menu on every Windows computer (since Windows 7) so you don't need to know Dell or HPs button combinations.
>
> Jon
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta)
>
>> On 19 Aug 2016, at 23:06, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Starting with the basics, just plug the monitor into the laptop. That
>> should just work.
>>
>> If the laptop and monitor are new enough, there should be an HDMI port
>> that you can use, otherwise just use a VGA cable.
>>
>> If the laptop image is the same on the laptop and the monitor, then
>> you will need to find the keyboard combo that switches between display
>> setting. Usually Fn+F1 or Fn+F8. (My Dell latitude is Fn+F8) Keep
>> pressing that until you have Extend selected. That will extend the
>> display onto the new monitor.
>>
>> Once that is going, to use Netflix on the monitor, just drag your
>> browser window or tab to that screen and maximize it. Voila Netfilx on
>> the monitor.
>>
>> Does that make sense?
>>
>> B
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
>>> gentle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
>>> hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
>>> setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
>>> Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where do I start?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Aug 20 07:45:38 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 08:45:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
In-Reply-To: <994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
References: <00b201d1fa62$798fc7e0$6caf57a0$@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWHgQ2hpCEMvZgkoUprLs-zso0TCEwvo_8ze9dWLoikxQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <ef051ed9-8d97-0e3c-c2d9-426f75572c82@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Jon. I've added that keystroke shortcut to my list of handy 
things. Didn't know that one. :-)

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/19/16 7:16 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> If you press Windows + P it brings up that menu on every Windows computer (since Windows 7) so you don't need to know Dell or HPs button combinations.
>
> Jon
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta)
>
>> On 19 Aug 2016, at 23:06, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Starting with the basics, just plug the monitor into the laptop. That
>> should just work.
>>
>> If the laptop and monitor are new enough, there should be an HDMI port
>> that you can use, otherwise just use a VGA cable.
>>
>> If the laptop image is the same on the laptop and the monitor, then
>> you will need to find the keyboard combo that switches between display
>> setting. Usually Fn+F1 or Fn+F8. (My Dell latitude is Fn+F8) Keep
>> pressing that until you have Extend selected. That will extend the
>> display onto the new monitor.
>>
>> Once that is going, to use Netflix on the monitor, just drag your
>> browser window or tab to that screen and maximize it. Voila Netfilx on
>> the monitor.
>>
>> Does that make sense?
>>
>> B
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
>>> gentle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
>>> hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
>>> setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
>>> Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where do I start?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
>> well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Aug 21 08:35:38 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 16:35:38 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Linux_on_Windows_10?=
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 Hi Jim --

No, I don't know/I don't use any browser based photo-slider-show application.

-- Shamil


>Friday, August 19, 2016 4:31 AM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is great to hear that. 
>
>...But I have made no such progress. We have been working to clean up and separate all our photos from our holidays as we are having friends over this weekend and they are also planning a trip to Portugal, in the fall. The photos, Picassa and Adobe photoshop are all running on the same Windows 10 computer and my wife asked me not to do any upgrading until after the wekend. (That was not a request...) ;-)
>
>Aside: A question; do you know of any simple browser based photo-slider-show application? I was planning on just running a slide-show and tell for our friends and the best screen surface would be our smart-tv...which runs some kind of firefox knock-off browser. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)
>
>Jim 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:30:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>I have got the subject installed as described here?  http://tinyurl.com/z4e78ow ?.
>Setup took several minutes to complete and "occupied" a couple of GB on my system disk.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Friday, August 12, 2016 11:58 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>Ma?ana...next week...hopefully
>>
>>Jim 
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 12:39:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>>
>>?Hi Jim --
>>
>>No, I'm only planning to do that next week, after upgrading to Windows 10 Anniversary build version.
>>
>>And you?
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>>Friday, August 12, 2016 10:14 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>
>>>Hi Shamil:
>>>
>>>Have you installed Ubuntu on Windows, yet?
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:36:03 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>>>
>>>?Hi Jim --
>>>
>>><<<
>>>When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.
>>>
>>>-- Shamil
>>>
>>>>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>>
>>>>Hi All:
>>>>
>>>>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>>>>
>>>>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>>>>
>>>>  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 21 22:54:39 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:54:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1471786538.439839409@f400.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <457442194.62439710.1471838079581.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

John had the right idea...simple solution and it worked just fine.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 6:35:38 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10

 Hi Jim --

No, I don't know/I don't use any browser based photo-slider-show application.

-- Shamil


>Friday, August 19, 2016 4:31 AM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is great to hear that. 
>
>...But I have made no such progress. We have been working to clean up and separate all our photos from our holidays as we are having friends over this weekend and they are also planning a trip to Portugal, in the fall. The photos, Picassa and Adobe photoshop are all running on the same Windows 10 computer and my wife asked me not to do any upgrading until after the wekend. (That was not a request...) ;-)
>
>Aside: A question; do you know of any simple browser based photo-slider-show application? I was planning on just running a slide-show and tell for our friends and the best screen surface would be our smart-tv...which runs some kind of firefox knock-off browser. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)
>
>Jim 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:30:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>I have got the subject installed as described here?  http://tinyurl.com/z4e78ow ?.
>Setup took several minutes to complete and "occupied" a couple of GB on my system disk.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Friday, August 12, 2016 11:58 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>Ma?ana...next week...hopefully
>>
>>Jim 
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 12:39:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>>
>>?Hi Jim --
>>
>>No, I'm only planning to do that next week, after upgrading to Windows 10 Anniversary build version.
>>
>>And you?
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>>Friday, August 12, 2016 10:14 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>
>>>Hi Shamil:
>>>
>>>Have you installed Ubuntu on Windows, yet?
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:36:03 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10
>>>
>>>?Hi Jim --
>>>
>>><<<
>>>When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer.
>>>>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>Actually?" Ubuntu on Windows is a fantastic bridge between two worlds" with Ubuntu on Windows performance ?(according to  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp ?tests) a bit outperforming or being equal to Ubuntu running on a bare metal.
>>>
>>>-- Shamil
>>>
>>>>Friday, August 12, 2016 8:44 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>>
>>>>Hi All:
>>>>
>>>>There has been some complaints that installing the Bash shell on to Windows 10 exposes Windows to possible intruder attacks. When looking closer at the articles claiming this, an desktop intruder must actually be in the room with the computer. If the article I read is actually claiming this is a threat, it is nothing more than the usual "click-bait" assuming their audience is too stupid. The truth is that if any tech has unfettered physical access to any computer that computer is compromised.
>>>>
>>>>The next big advancement is actually installing Ubuntu into the Windows 10 environment. This coupling, given a series of performance tests, show this to be very successful:
>>>>
>>>>  http://bit.ly/2aHT4Wp
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 06:21:20 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:21:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ji8JLvTeKpOntVWPUuuukfKKrHs+sgX=Td3YuXvKHfMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here is an article explaining how to Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-active-hours-custom-restart-windows-10/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23082016>
.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 07:06:24 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:06:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux download managers
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gThmDoe2Hv3BHd_HWpziUHnqM_SpmBkB2rvL7RP-OSHw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a nice roundup of Ubuntu Linux download managers
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/download-managers-ubuntu/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23082016>
.

-- 
Arthur

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 24 23:51:43 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 23:51:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux 4.7 Shows How Far the Open-Source OS Has Come in
	25 Years
Message-ID: <01f501d1fe8c$611b7140$235253c0$@winhaven.net>

Linux 4.7 Shows How Far the Open-Source OS Has Come in 25 Years

A quick little slide show:

http://tinyurl.com/gs62q9k


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 02:26:38 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 01:26:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux download managers
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gThmDoe2Hv3BHd_HWpziUHnqM_SpmBkB2rvL7RP-OSHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87359939.65102778.1472109998691.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

When it comes to Debian and all its many distros, I am a traditionalist... apt-get :-) 

It wouldn't be long before we are using containers and snap packages...fully self-contained modules that will run on any OS and in any version. It will take all the challenge out of deploying applications....no more searching for dependences, custom libraries, correct sets, configuration files with make and compile operations. ;-)  

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 5:06:24 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux download managers

Here is a nice roundup of Ubuntu Linux download managers
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/download-managers-ubuntu/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23082016>
.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 04:08:33 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 03:08:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux 4.7 Shows How Far the Open-Source OS Has Come
 in	25 Years
In-Reply-To: <01f501d1fe8c$611b7140$235253c0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1237296090.65117825.1472116113518.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I was looking at that earlier on the Linux birthday celebrations.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:51:43 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux 4.7 Shows How Far the Open-Source OS Has Come in	25 Years

Linux 4.7 Shows How Far the Open-Source OS Has Come in 25 Years

A quick little slide show:

http://tinyurl.com/gs62q9k

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 06:19:00 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 07:19:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux download managers
In-Reply-To: <87359939.65102778.1472109998691.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1gThmDoe2Hv3BHd_HWpziUHnqM_SpmBkB2rvL7RP-OSHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87359939.65102778.1472109998691.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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Jim,

Me too (apt-get). As to containers, I've run a few, created by other people
not me, and I love the idea. I've never built one, though. Have you?

Suppose I wanted to create a container housing an Access app and including
Access RunTime in it. Suppose further that said app needed a couple of DLLs
not normally included in RunTime. Suppose further that said app needs a
database hosted on, say, SQL Express or MySQL or MariaDB or SQLite. How
does one assemble the pieces into a container?

Arthur

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> When it comes to Debian and all its many distros, I am a traditionalist...
> apt-get :-)
>
> It wouldn't be long before we are using containers and snap
> packages...fully self-contained modules that will run on any OS and in any
> version. It will take all the challenge out of deploying applications....no
> more searching for dependences, custom libraries, correct sets,
> configuration files with make and compile operations. ;-)
>
> Jim

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 10:43:23 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:43:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Baidu does really big data
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iHoV3ovZp9aBd7Lb5nBYDcogEXj-JyWqiEokMZC0zrLg@mail.gmail.com>

The Chinese equivalent of Google's search engine, Baidu
<http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/08/24/baidu-takes-fpga-approach-accelerating-big-sql/?utm_source=dbweekly&utm_medium=email>
sits
on a exabyte of data and processes ~100 petabytes of data per day, updates
~10 billion web pages per day, and handles ~100 petabytes of log updates
per day.This is achieved using Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array>. There's a
bit of an explanation at the link, but I confess that I'm way out of my
depth here.

To date, the largest database I've ever worked on has an initial footprint
of 1 PertaByte, with an anticipated growth of 1 TB per year. It was a
medical database called OLIS (Ontario Labs Information System), and it
housed all the data from all the medical labs in Ontario; that includes
everything from X-rays to blood and stool samples, and so on. In addition,
it houses all the data about all the physicians and patients in the
province, and also employs PITA (P*oint in Time Architecture*, described in
an article I wrote for Simple-Talk
<https://www.simple-talk.com/sql/database-administration/database-design-a-point-in-time-architecture/>.
A fundamental truth about standard relational databases is that they
destroy information. Every Delete  obviously destroys information, but so
does every Update. Certain applications demand the ability to recreate the
situation as it existed one or two or ten years ago. That is the purpose of
PITA, in which design no rows are ever physically deleted or updated;
rather, the original rows are copied and every table contains a pair of
columns, EffectiveDate and EndDate; some rows contain a Null in EndDate,
indicating that they are the current rows. By adding one more table, call
it DateRange, having exactly one row with columns EffectiveData and
EndDate, one can Join this table to existing queries so that they are all
automatically scoped by this date-range.

Due to the abundant issues attendant to the Medical Information, the
physical implementation of OLIS was distributed across 8 server-clusters.
We database developers could not even see the data returned from our
queries -- just a bunch of asterisks to indicate successful retrieval. This
might sound overly paranoid, but consider that some developer might want to
check whether the person s/he is dating has ever had an AIDS test, and what
was the result.

The size of the OLIS database pales in comparison to what Baidu handles
daily. The upside is, Baidu has hardware I can only dream of, beginning at
the chip level and extending outward from there.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 13:10:08 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:10:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux download managers
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jR3PAAUkZj6zR5e4f=vDm0X-qwJGfZjLhqsFDwF1ic3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1398667621.66412802.1472235008595.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Arthur:

To be honest I am not up to speed in assembling containers...yet. I tentatively, have a two day online course arranged for mid-September. OTOH, there seems to be just about a container for everything that anyone can just download.

If, in your research you discover some excellent containers let me know as I would definitely love to take one apart and see how it was and what was assembled. I know Microsoft is going to great length to be able to leverage their own products within Linux containers.

As I understand it you can actually link or federate containers with means that an application can exist in on container and have the data in another. These linked containers can reside on different servers and can be securely connected via an SSL pipe using OpenVPN (another containers). 
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:19:00 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux download managers

Jim,

Me too (apt-get). As to containers, I've run a few, created by other people
not me, and I love the idea. I've never built one, though. Have you?

Suppose I wanted to create a container housing an Access app and including
Access RunTime in it. Suppose further that said app needed a couple of DLLs
not normally included in RunTime. Suppose further that said app needs a
database hosted on, say, SQL Express or MySQL or MariaDB or SQLite. How
does one assemble the pieces into a container?

Arthur

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> When it comes to Debian and all its many distros, I am a traditionalist...
> apt-get :-)
>
> It wouldn't be long before we are using containers and snap
> packages...fully self-contained modules that will run on any OS and in any
> version. It will take all the challenge out of deploying applications....no
> more searching for dependences, custom libraries, correct sets,
> configuration files with make and compile operations. ;-)
>
> Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 13:29:04 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:29:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ji8JLvTeKpOntVWPUuuukfKKrHs+sgX=Td3YuXvKHfMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2144144154.66428767.1472236144402.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Now that is useful. Thanks.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 4:21:20 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting

Here is an article explaining how to Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-active-hours-custom-restart-windows-10/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23082016>
.

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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 26 13:32:32 2016
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:32:32 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting
In-Reply-To: <2144144154.66428767.1472236144402.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1ji8JLvTeKpOntVWPUuuukfKKrHs+sgX=Td3YuXvKHfMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2144144154.66428767.1472236144402.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95YmavBfcyjG5Gf132OGsgRwgPc1nmv5p+vwUyCv5njiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Never had windows 10 auto restart yet, all I have done is install it and
turn off the privacy settings

On 26 Aug 2016 19:30, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Now that is useful. Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 4:21:20 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting
>
> Here is an article explaining how to Prevent Windows 10 from
> auto-restarting
> <https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-active-hours-custom-
> restart-windows-10/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=
> email&utm_campaign=23082016>
> .
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 23:10:51 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:10:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Baidu does really big data
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iHoV3ovZp9aBd7Lb5nBYDcogEXj-JyWqiEokMZC0zrLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82858380.66805421.1472271051662.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Very interesting. 

I worked with some Oracle databases, for our provincial government. They were never that large but they did use the method of never deleting or updating a record without a backup. In these cases a unique transaction number was added to the changed record. The backup file had all the particulars of the transaction and when searching for all the related records a reciprocal call was made within the backup file. In the days that I worked on this database, files were limited by the size of the hard drives. Big drives were astronomically expensive to buy and maintain.

Now a days, there are no such size limits. Single drives are huge...4 to 6 TB but that is just the start. There has always been RAIDS of various configurations but by their physical configuration requirements their performance tops out quickly and even with redundancy there is always the danger of data lost.

The new databases all sit on top of massive systems that connect together as a single drive. The software is Linux, Hadoop and ZFS and anyone so inclined could build and connect all their systems through a similar method. Most companies just use Cloud suppliers as the tech can be formattable.

The huge Chinese databases are just built on top of Kylin (an Ubuntu derivative) using the same tech. Thousands of drives with one file system...hundreds of blades are added daily. It truly boggles the mind. The big thing is that data lost is functionally non-existent. Another staggering concept.

If I was starting in big databases today all that I would have learned about relational databases would be just a subsystem that might assemble the data gathered by these giant NOSQL DB Back Ends. 

Aside: It is interesting to note that MySQL/MariaDB, 64bit version can access 256TB of data, 2,147,483,647 records and can run on top of Linux and ZFS FS, of equal or greater size...a theoretical maximum of course. I guess that's more than the MS Access MDB can access? ;-)
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:43:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Baidu does really big data

The Chinese equivalent of Google's search engine, Baidu
<http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/08/24/baidu-takes-fpga-approach-accelerating-big-sql/?utm_source=dbweekly&utm_medium=email>
sits
on a exabyte of data and processes ~100 petabytes of data per day, updates
~10 billion web pages per day, and handles ~100 petabytes of log updates
per day.This is achieved using Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array>. There's a
bit of an explanation at the link, but I confess that I'm way out of my
depth here.

To date, the largest database I've ever worked on has an initial footprint
of 1 PertaByte, with an anticipated growth of 1 TB per year. It was a
medical database called OLIS (Ontario Labs Information System), and it
housed all the data from all the medical labs in Ontario; that includes
everything from X-rays to blood and stool samples, and so on. In addition,
it houses all the data about all the physicians and patients in the
province, and also employs PITA (P*oint in Time Architecture*, described in
an article I wrote for Simple-Talk
<https://www.simple-talk.com/sql/database-administration/database-design-a-point-in-time-architecture/>.
A fundamental truth about standard relational databases is that they
destroy information. Every Delete  obviously destroys information, but so
does every Update. Certain applications demand the ability to recreate the
situation as it existed one or two or ten years ago. That is the purpose of
PITA, in which design no rows are ever physically deleted or updated;
rather, the original rows are copied and every table contains a pair of
columns, EffectiveDate and EndDate; some rows contain a Null in EndDate,
indicating that they are the current rows. By adding one more table, call
it DateRange, having exactly one row with columns EffectiveData and
EndDate, one can Join this table to existing queries so that they are all
automatically scoped by this date-range.

Due to the abundant issues attendant to the Medical Information, the
physical implementation of OLIS was distributed across 8 server-clusters.
We database developers could not even see the data returned from our
queries -- just a bunch of asterisks to indicate successful retrieval. This
might sound overly paranoid, but consider that some developer might want to
check whether the person s/he is dating has ever had an AIDS test, and what
was the result.

The size of the OLIS database pales in comparison to what Baidu handles
daily. The upside is, Baidu has hardware I can only dream of, beginning at
the chip level and extending outward from there.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 23:22:59 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:22:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95YmavBfcyjG5Gf132OGsgRwgPc1nmv5p+vwUyCv5njiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1667076776.66810252.1472271779130.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I agree with you.

Just today Windows 10 decided on doing an upgrade. It started at about 08:00 and was still running at 15:20 when I rebooted the computer. When it did come up it still took another half hour until the login screen appeared. Its working fine now but I tend to approach the beast with a bit of trepidation. 

Jim

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:32:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Prevent Windows 10 from auto-restarting

Never had windows 10 auto restart yet, all I have done is install it and
turn off the privacy settings

On 26 Aug 2016 19:30, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Now that is useful. Thanks.
>
> Jim
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> Here is an article explaining how to Prevent Windows 10 from
> auto-restarting
> <https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-active-hours-custom-
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> email&utm_campaign=23082016>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 06:46:03 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 07:46:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Baidu does really big data
In-Reply-To: <82858380.66805421.1472271051662.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1iHoV3ovZp9aBd7Lb5nBYDcogEXj-JyWqiEokMZC0zrLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<82858380.66805421.1472271051662.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jOeP9wp=zO=WZierzEGtOs8fhG6EiH3=dtbL7CiPpLew@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

I'm not sure precisely how they do it, but VoltDB (the company and product
created by Dr. Michael Stonebraker, who created PostGres) is an in-memory
database designed to use all the memory of all the servers, and treat it as
a single block of RAM. The company also claims that you can add new
server/instances on the fly without bringing the system down, and it will
simply absorb the new hardware. I have no idea what the theoretical
maximums are, but one thing I do know is that their claim to be able to do
50k TPS is real. VoltDB is designed for such massive input loads, such as
those from earthquake sensors or massive multi-pleyer games or worldwide
sales sites such as Amazon or eBay or TicketMaster or handling voting data
in elections.

There's a free community edition available. Also, and I think this is
significant, it uses SQL and specifically, the syntax is almost identical
to that of PostGreSQL (which is way more powerful than T-SQL).

Arthur
?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 09:15:18 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:15:18 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Baidu does really big data
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jOeP9wp=zO=WZierzEGtOs8fhG6EiH3=dtbL7CiPpLew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <286225275.68147854.1472480118872.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

VoltDB sounds like a very interesting piece of technology. It is one hundred percent Linux based but coded in Java? 

It would be interesting to see if it challenges the big NOSQL databases of today...

I will take a look at this DB 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:46:03 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Baidu does really big data

Jim,

I'm not sure precisely how they do it, but VoltDB (the company and product
created by Dr. Michael Stonebraker, who created PostGres) is an in-memory
database designed to use all the memory of all the servers, and treat it as
a single block of RAM. The company also claims that you can add new
server/instances on the fly without bringing the system down, and it will
simply absorb the new hardware. I have no idea what the theoretical
maximums are, but one thing I do know is that their claim to be able to do
50k TPS is real. VoltDB is designed for such massive input loads, such as
those from earthquake sensors or massive multi-pleyer games or worldwide
sales sites such as Amazon or eBay or TicketMaster or handling voting data
in elections.

There's a free community edition available. Also, and I think this is
significant, it uses SQL and specifically, the syntax is almost identical
to that of PostGreSQL (which is way more powerful than T-SQL).

Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 16:51:14 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:51:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own VPN
In-Reply-To: <994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <396033605.68568248.1472507474751.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

In this day and age everyone should have their own VPN. Here is one supplier that may fit the bill and they are priced very competitive:

https://airvpn.org/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 17:15:46 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:15:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Like CCleaner
In-Reply-To: <994852BC-52ED-49EF-8F68-84950815642E@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <1445568714.68585255.1472508946865.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

If you want to use the clean up your disk use Bleachbit: https://www.bleachbit.org/ just like Hillary Clinton. If the product is good enough for the next president isn't it good enough for you. ;-)

http://fxn.ws/2bxwtHC

Once you clean up, Bleachbit guarantees that not even the FBI can get it back.

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 23:53:43 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 22:53:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Faster SSH data transfer
In-Reply-To: <1445568714.68585255.1472508946865.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <408677378.68813491.1472532823930.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Just saw this posting and have done some initial tests using the recommended acceleration techniques and it works. :-)

Right now it only works within my network but with an appropriate high-speed ISP connection, the bandwidth could be maxed out. I have not done any recording of the speed increases but according to the article, speeds of about 2.5 times can be achieved. The SSH technique uses hardware acceleration to increase performance. If not already implemented, SSL through OpenVPN should get performance and probable a steadier remote connection. (I guess both remote and host machines would have to be 64bit with hyper-visor capabilities.)

http://bit.ly/2bWj5RB

Jim 

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Aug 30 04:07:29 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:07:29 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?503_service_unavailable_=3D=3E_aspnetcore=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?dll_failed_to_load?=
Message-ID: <1472548049.375018407@f177.i.mail.ru>

Hi All --

FYI: Win10 Anniversary Update caused my .asmx web services stopping to work.
It took me more than an hour to solve the issue.
Solution is described here 

https://github.com/aspnet/Home/issues/1583 ?

but there are many other web links related to the same issue, which don't have the real solution.

HTH.

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 30 11:18:15 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:18:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] 503 service unavailable => aspnetcore.dll failed to
 load
In-Reply-To: <1472548049.375018407@f177.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1561318000.69123233.1472573895947.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

It is good to see that you fixed it. Which solution did you use? 

Re-install the Microsoft .NET Core, swap the offending dll in the c:\windows\system and \sysWOW64 directories, did you just install the "Tooling Preview 2" or just run "repair"?

Aside: The  Win10 Anniversary Update did not official come out until August 2nd but these errors were being recorded as early as June the 6th. Were you using an early beta anniversary edition on you development computer? 

Jim

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From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:07:29 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] 503 service unavailable => aspnetcore.dll failed to load

Hi All --

FYI: Win10 Anniversary Update caused my .asmx web services stopping to work.
It took me more than an hour to solve the issue.
Solution is described here 

https://github.com/aspnet/Home/issues/1583 ?

but there are many other web links related to the same issue, which don't have the real solution.

HTH.

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Aug 31 07:37:12 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:37:12 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?503_service_unavailable_=3D=3E_aspnetcore=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?dll_failed_to_load?=
In-Reply-To: <1561318000.69123233.1472573895947.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1472548049.375018407@f177.i.mail.ru>
	<1561318000.69123233.1472573895947.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1472647032.531983804@f27.i.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

I have just repaired "Tooling Preview 2" - it took a while to get repaired.

I have installed Win 10 Anniversary Update a couple of weeks ago using official release.

-- Shamil

>Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:18 PM +03:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>It is good to see that you fixed it. Which solution did you use? 
>
>Re-install the Microsoft .NET Core, swap the offending dll in the c:\windows\system and \sysWOW64 directories, did you just install the "Tooling Preview 2" or just run "repair"?
>
>Aside: The  Win10 Anniversary Update did not official come out until August 2nd but these errors were being recorded as early as June the 6th. Were you using an early beta anniversary edition on you development computer? 
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:07:29 AM
>Subject: [dba-Tech] 503 service unavailable => aspnetcore.dll failed to load
>
>Hi All --
>
>FYI: Win10 Anniversary Update caused my .asmx web services stopping to work.
>It took me more than an hour to solve the issue.
>Solution is described here 
>
>https://github.com/aspnet/Home/issues/1583 ?
>
>but there are many other web links related to the same issue, which don't have the real solution.
>
>HTH.
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 31 23:51:53 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 23:51:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
Message-ID: <028801d2040c$8f6e12c0$ae4a3840$@winhaven.net>

Hi all,
Wondering if any of you know of a web based app that would fill the needs of
what an old access app did that I wrote 15+ years ago. The old one is pretty
simple in concept but it uses VBA to accomplish  much of the functionality
and as A2016 doesn't support that anymore it is starting to break and they
want a new one that is web based. It's basically 3 main tables with
metadata, linking tables and lookups. 
Person <> Organization and a "Bulk Mail List" which essentially holds person
IDs chosen via the first two. Using selected info from any of the three
tables data or all, it then produces emails, a faxing list for people
without email addresses, labels for people without either (hey, it was from
last century) and content reports. There is also some pretty basic event
tracking based on events they have people invited/attending which is pretty
much based on person IDs being linked to a small event info table. The
"Security" was based on metadata held in the main tables.

So rather than reinventing the wheel, if there is something that would fit
the bill then we'll just check that out as a replacement.

Here is an outline of what they want now (other than a couple of modern
items the access app did all of this):

The following list of functions was identified by staff as critical to the
automation of contact lists in a web based Contact Manager (CM):

.Store name, address, phone (multiple), and emails (multiple) per person
o	Optional space for professional title and certifications (P.E. CST,
etc.)
.Store name of group/organization/event with space to type in description
o	Option to store group address
o	Option to store group web page, Twitter, Facebook 
.Ability to link a person to a group/organization/event (one to many)
.Ability to assign a person's role in each group/organization/event (one to
one)
.Allow groups and people to be combined (many to one) to form a bulk mailing
list
.Link to Outlook to allow emailing to lists directly from CM app
.Link to Dymo printers to allow printing of mailing labels/name tags from CM
app
.Export lists to:
o	Outlook folders
o	Excel
o	Constant Contact 
o	Word for mail merges
.Import lists from:
o	Outlook
o	SharePoint (recycling app)
o	Excel
.Produce reports:
o	By last name 
o	By email address
o	By group/organization/event
o	By bulk mailing list
.Allow links from another, existing, web app to allow people in the CM app
to be connected to a permit and assigned a role in the permit process 
.Security:
o	Records and displays who created all contacts and lists
o	Warn/verify when a list is deleted - double warning if you did not
create the list
.Must be mobile compatible (phone, tablet, etc.)
.Searches:
o	By last name
o	By email address
o	By phone number
o	By group/organization/event
.Ideas:
o	May replace Constant Contact if CM app allows for web subscribing to
mailing lists.
o	Needs to allow links from a SharePoint app, which stores details on
events such as attendance, presenters, location, start times, and other
attributes.

Thanks for any suggestions,
John