From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jan  1 14:59:09 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 13:59:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
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Hi Gustav:

Still...

I personally like manual shifting cars but I have been told that the new automatic transmissions are more efficient...I do find that claim hard to believe but they must be getting fairly close in economy and performance. 

Jim 

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 2:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Jim

Great job ? except that most cars in Europe don?t have an automatic transmission.
But an excellent example of ?proof of concept?.

/gustav


Fra: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 29. december 2015 07:14
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

It seems that if your car is five years old or less, it is a perfect candidate for full automation. The whole system is being built using Open Source software (Debian/Ubuntu) and the young inventor predicts that a computer system, small enough to fit in the glove box, costing around a thousand dollars, can fully automate your car. A pretty strong statement but the young lad does have the creds to be able to accomplish the task.

http://bloom.bg/1R4QeHJ

I will watch this guys progress with great interest. :-)

Jim

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Jan  1 15:08:02 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 13:08:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
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Humans, being human, will run a car at lower than or higher than the peak of
the power curve and so introduce inefficiencies that way.  Whereas the
automatic transmission will shift at the most economical point.

Best is the CV transmission in my Prius.  It's always at the most efficient
point.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Gustav:

Still...

I personally like manual shifting cars but I have been told that the new
automatic transmissions are more efficient...I do find that claim hard to
believe but they must be getting fairly close in economy and performance. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 2:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Jim

Great job - except that most cars in Europe don't have an automatic
transmission.
But an excellent example of "proof of concept".

/gustav


Fra: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 29. december 2015 07:14
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

It seems that if your car is five years old or less, it is a perfect
candidate for full automation. The whole system is being built using Open
Source software (Debian/Ubuntu) and the young inventor predicts that a
computer system, small enough to fit in the glove box, costing around a
thousand dollars, can fully automate your car. A pretty strong statement but
the young lad does have the creds to be able to accomplish the task.

http://bloom.bg/1R4QeHJ

I will watch this guys progress with great interest. :-)

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jan  1 15:28:04 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:28:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Javascript OS
In-Reply-To: <433166339A9E4865A9F53F274FD0B020@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <214209103.45660002.1451683684651.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

I think I have commented on this OS.js before but it is a lot of fun and it might be a a nice core to a custom company OS.

http://osjsv2.0o.no/

Check this out. ;-)

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jan  1 15:34:30 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:34:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to be a good System Admin.
In-Reply-To: <433166339A9E4865A9F53F274FD0B020@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <28113464.45662919.1451684070165.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

This could be a good Sysadmin code of conduct similar to a doctors hippocratic oath:

http://bit.ly/1OpszRt

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jan  2 04:00:16 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 03:00:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
In-Reply-To: <433166339A9E4865A9F53F274FD0B020@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <679409634.46097561.1451728816817.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I understand the transmission of the Prius is one of the best.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 1:08:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Humans, being human, will run a car at lower than or higher than the peak of
the power curve and so introduce inefficiencies that way.  Whereas the
automatic transmission will shift at the most economical point.

Best is the CV transmission in my Prius.  It's always at the most efficient
point.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Gustav:

Still...

I personally like manual shifting cars but I have been told that the new
automatic transmissions are more efficient...I do find that claim hard to
believe but they must be getting fairly close in economy and performance. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 2:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Jim

Great job - except that most cars in Europe don't have an automatic
transmission.
But an excellent example of "proof of concept".

/gustav


Fra: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 29. december 2015 07:14
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

It seems that if your car is five years old or less, it is a perfect
candidate for full automation. The whole system is being built using Open
Source software (Debian/Ubuntu) and the young inventor predicts that a
computer system, small enough to fit in the glove box, costing around a
thousand dollars, can fully automate your car. A pretty strong statement but
the young lad does have the creds to be able to accomplish the task.

http://bloom.bg/1R4QeHJ

I will watch this guys progress with great interest. :-)

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jan  2 03:53:41 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 02:53:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <433166339A9E4865A9F53F274FD0B020@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1554344095.46096205.1451728421397.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

It is amazing what can be done with a Raspberry PI.

Aside: According to the designer of one of the most popular Raspberry PI distros (Mate...sounds like latte), the PI will soon be the most popular hardware/software system in the world. His company has been downloading its OS at a rate of approximately 5000 copies an hour and these numbers have been steadily increasing for over a year.

I know this is a little late for Christmas but your kids birthdays are coming up soon. I would suggest a good soccer ball and the following package: 

http://row.kano.me/products/kano-kit

I received a nice Raspberry PI 2 for Christmas and have been thoroughly enjoying it. It has around half a dozen different distros. A complete OS with a substantial selection of applications and servers (full office suite, games (i.e. Mindcraft), SSH, Apache, multiple programming languages, full set of server tools etc etc...) The whole system takes only 3.9 GB so it will run fine on a 16GB SD (probably the smallest SD you can buy at $6.00).  

I finally got the X2Go server installed and running...it only supports a single session but after all it is only a PI. It can support half a dozen SSH client connections without issue though. I will install a copy of MC (Midnight Commander) as its foot print is tiny. Couldn't get Mindcraft to display properly, when accessing it remotely, as the game's graphic driver is not compatible, at least not by default.

I may test the Windows10 offering as 6 bucks for the SD doesn't seems like a big investment.

This device would make a great mini-server. If you wish to add on a few TB drives, a USB power hubs would be needed as a Raspberry's only supports USB connections up to 5 watts. USB 3 uses more wattage. I understand there is even a MondoDB module along with a MySQL and even a Postgress database option. One friend installed a copy of OpenWRT, on the product and is now using it as a very secure router.

This is just a start...

Jim

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jan  2 07:16:52 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 05:16:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission

r
 

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Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 2:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

I understand the transmission of the Prius is one of the best.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 1:08:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Humans, being human, will run a car at lower than or higher than the peak of
the power curve and so introduce inefficiencies that way.  Whereas the
automatic transmission will shift at the most economical point.

Best is the CV transmission in my Prius.  It's always at the most efficient
point.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Gustav:

Still...

I personally like manual shifting cars but I have been told that the new
automatic transmissions are more efficient...I do find that claim hard to
believe but they must be getting fairly close in economy and performance. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 2:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Jim

Great job - except that most cars in Europe don't have an automatic
transmission.
But an excellent example of "proof of concept".

/gustav


Fra: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 29. december 2015 07:14
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

It seems that if your car is five years old or less, it is a perfect
candidate for full automation. The whole system is being built using Open
Source software (Debian/Ubuntu) and the young inventor predicts that a
computer system, small enough to fit in the glove box, costing around a
thousand dollars, can fully automate your car. A pretty strong statement but
the young lad does have the creds to be able to accomplish the task.

http://bloom.bg/1R4QeHJ

I will watch this guys progress with great interest. :-)

Jim

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sat Jan  2 08:09:10 2016
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 14:09:10 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
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Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 01 January 2016 20:59
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Gustav:

Still...

I personally like manual shifting cars but I have been told that the new automatic transmissions are more efficient...I do find that claim hard to believe but they must be getting fairly close in economy and performance. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 2:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Hi Jim

Great job ? except that most cars in Europe don?t have an automatic transmission.
But an excellent example of ?proof of concept?.

/gustav


Fra: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 29. december 2015 07:14
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

It seems that if your car is five years old or less, it is a perfect candidate for full automation. The whole system is being built using Open Source software (Debian/Ubuntu) and the young inventor predicts that a computer system, small enough to fit in the glove box, costing around a thousand dollars, can fully automate your car. A pretty strong statement but the young lad does have the creds to be able to accomplish the task.

http://bloom.bg/1R4QeHJ

I will watch this guys progress with great interest. :-)

Jim

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 10:40:17 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:40:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
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Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was so
atuned to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it through the
four gears without touching the clutch pedal, and no gear-grinding at all,
ever. Almost like tuning a guitar.

Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a long time
to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few seconds,
and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was in a nearby
pawn shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of them, all of which
needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning fork with me and in the
space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. But I decided none was
appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it was nice to realize that the
skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, never leaves you. And it's the same
with manual transmissions. There's a joy to be hand in sensing the music
inherent in them (well, actually, in the engine itself rather than the
tranny). But you get the idea.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)
>
>
> Jon

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jan  2 11:38:35 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:38:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
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A lost skill. Now that you can have a cheap Snark tuner clipped to the head
and it shows you exactly where you are relative to the pitch you want.

I recently taught my son's GF to play the uke.  First lesson - tuning, and I
made her tune it by ear to see how good her pitch perception was. It was
spot on.  

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 8:40 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was so atuned
to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it through the four gears
without touching the clutch pedal, and no gear-grinding at all, ever. Almost
like tuning a guitar.

Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a long time
to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few seconds,
and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was in a nearby pawn
shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of them, all of which
needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning fork with me and in the
space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. But I decided none was
appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it was nice to realize that the
skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, never leaves you. And it's the same
with manual transmissions. There's a joy to be hand in sensing the music
inherent in them (well, actually, in the engine itself rather than the
tranny). But you get the idea.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)
>
>
> Jon
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:26:41 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:26:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
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Good for her, Rocky. I cannot claim such immediate proficiency; it took me
several months to apprehend the wah-wah-wah discordancies and to resolve
them to wah-wah and ultimately wahhh-wahhhh. It's impossible to tune a
guitar or any other stringed instrument perfectly; you instead tune it to
the piece you're about to play In your case, stand-up bass, you've got
considerably more leeway, and even if the humidity undermines your current
settings, you as a skilled player can sharpen or flatten a note to suit,
with a mere half-centimeter shift to find the right harmonic shift. I
admire that sort of adept acuity immensely. Can't do it quite so quickly on
guitar, due to frets, but I deeply admire those such as yourself who
consider frets beneath your skill-set.

There is a piece, perhaps the most celebrated of all time, for solo violin,
called the Chaconne, from Bach's Partita in A minor, with a D Major section
that makes me weep, in the right hands. You have to play it with some
rubato to pull out the reluctant sadness in this superficially sunny
movement.

I've heard the Chaconne played on bass a couple of times. Can you do it? I
meant that as a mere hopeful question, not a challenge. It's probably my
fave piece in the world. I have about 30 versions, and opinions to match
them as to how well they unfolded the treasures in that ostensibly simple
8-chord walk through the park. But it continues to slay me, again and
again, since I first stumbled upon it about 50 years ago.

I wish I could write code that good. I fear that this is the province of
genius, and I don't live there. I'm competent but certainly not a genius.

A.

A.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> A lost skill. Now that you can have a cheap Snark tuner clipped to the head
> and it shows you exactly where you are relative to the pitch you want.
>
> I recently taught my son's GF to play the uke.  First lesson - tuning, and
> I
> made her tune it by ear to see how good her pitch perception was. It was
> spot on.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 8:40 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
>
> Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was so
> atuned
> to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it through the four
> gears
> without touching the clutch pedal, and no gear-grinding at all, ever.
> Almost
> like tuning a guitar.
>
> Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a long time
> to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few seconds,
> and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was in a nearby
> pawn
> shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of them, all of which
> needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning fork with me and in the
> space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. But I decided none was
> appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it was nice to realize that the
> skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, never leaves you. And it's the same
> with manual transmissions. There's a joy to be hand in sensing the music
> inherent in them (well, actually, in the engine itself rather than the
> tranny). But you get the idea.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)
> >
> >
> > Jon
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jan  2 18:25:34 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:25:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iN2ARt746T4MCymrzhETPJ4jn6CRXKu9SejSFMmCpTRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1763721776.46445221.1451780734817.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

This is such an interesting topic. :-) Too bad it is not on the OT. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 1:26:41 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Good for her, Rocky. I cannot claim such immediate proficiency; it took me
several months to apprehend the wah-wah-wah discordancies and to resolve
them to wah-wah and ultimately wahhh-wahhhh. It's impossible to tune a
guitar or any other stringed instrument perfectly; you instead tune it to
the piece you're about to play In your case, stand-up bass, you've got
considerably more leeway, and even if the humidity undermines your current
settings, you as a skilled player can sharpen or flatten a note to suit,
with a mere half-centimeter shift to find the right harmonic shift. I
admire that sort of adept acuity immensely. Can't do it quite so quickly on
guitar, due to frets, but I deeply admire those such as yourself who
consider frets beneath your skill-set.

There is a piece, perhaps the most celebrated of all time, for solo violin,
called the Chaconne, from Bach's Partita in A minor, with a D Major section
that makes me weep, in the right hands. You have to play it with some
rubato to pull out the reluctant sadness in this superficially sunny
movement.

I've heard the Chaconne played on bass a couple of times. Can you do it? I
meant that as a mere hopeful question, not a challenge. It's probably my
fave piece in the world. I have about 30 versions, and opinions to match
them as to how well they unfolded the treasures in that ostensibly simple
8-chord walk through the park. But it continues to slay me, again and
again, since I first stumbled upon it about 50 years ago.

I wish I could write code that good. I fear that this is the province of
genius, and I don't live there. I'm competent but certainly not a genius.

A.

A.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> A lost skill. Now that you can have a cheap Snark tuner clipped to the head
> and it shows you exactly where you are relative to the pitch you want.
>
> I recently taught my son's GF to play the uke.  First lesson - tuning, and
> I
> made her tune it by ear to see how good her pitch perception was. It was
> spot on.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 8:40 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
>
> Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was so
> atuned
> to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it through the four
> gears
> without touching the clutch pedal, and no gear-grinding at all, ever.
> Almost
> like tuning a guitar.
>
> Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a long time
> to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few seconds,
> and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was in a nearby
> pawn
> shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of them, all of which
> needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning fork with me and in the
> space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. But I decided none was
> appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it was nice to realize that the
> skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, never leaves you. And it's the same
> with manual transmissions. There's a joy to be hand in sensing the music
> inherent in them (well, actually, in the engine itself rather than the
> tranny). But you get the idea.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)
> >
> >
> > Jon
> _______________________________________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 19:02:27 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 20:02:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
In-Reply-To: <1763721776.46445221.1451780734817.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1iN2ARt746T4MCymrzhETPJ4jn6CRXKu9SejSFMmCpTRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1763721776.46445221.1451780734817.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h=Rf90h2J3Hn0KvROb5ZePCuF=7dU6=Mbo0=BqvJ-SQA@mail.gmail.com>

Point taken, Jim. I unsub'd from dba-OT a while back because so much of its
content was a waste of time, but your point is well-taken, so I'm going to
re-sub as soon as I post this reply.

Lately I've found myself un-subscribing to dozens of sites that I deemed
essential reading a year or two ago. But in recent months the
Signal-to-Noise ratio has overwhelmed me, and I've been un-subbing to more
and more and more outlets.

But dba-OT and AccessD and dba-SQL are worth my attention, and shall remain
so. So I'm about to re-sub to dba-OT.

A.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> This is such an interesting topic. :-) Too bad it is not on the OT. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 1:26:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
>
> Good for her, Rocky. I cannot claim such immediate proficiency; it took me
> several months to apprehend the wah-wah-wah discordancies and to resolve
> them to wah-wah and ultimately wahhh-wahhhh. It's impossible to tune a
> guitar or any other stringed instrument perfectly; you instead tune it to
> the piece you're about to play In your case, stand-up bass, you've got
> considerably more leeway, and even if the humidity undermines your current
> settings, you as a skilled player can sharpen or flatten a note to suit,
> with a mere half-centimeter shift to find the right harmonic shift. I
> admire that sort of adept acuity immensely. Can't do it quite so quickly on
> guitar, due to frets, but I deeply admire those such as yourself who
> consider frets beneath your skill-set.
>
> There is a piece, perhaps the most celebrated of all time, for solo violin,
> called the Chaconne, from Bach's Partita in A minor, with a D Major section
> that makes me weep, in the right hands. You have to play it with some
> rubato to pull out the reluctant sadness in this superficially sunny
> movement.
>
> I've heard the Chaconne played on bass a couple of times. Can you do it? I
> meant that as a mere hopeful question, not a challenge. It's probably my
> fave piece in the world. I have about 30 versions, and opinions to match
> them as to how well they unfolded the treasures in that ostensibly simple
> 8-chord walk through the park. But it continues to slay me, again and
> again, since I first stumbled upon it about 50 years ago.
>
> I wish I could write code that good. I fear that this is the province of
> genius, and I don't live there. I'm competent but certainly not a genius.
>
> A.
>
> A.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A lost skill. Now that you can have a cheap Snark tuner clipped to the
> head
> > and it shows you exactly where you are relative to the pitch you want.
> >
> > I recently taught my son's GF to play the uke.  First lesson - tuning,
> and
> > I
> > made her tune it by ear to see how good her pitch perception was. It was
> > spot on.
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 8:40 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
> >
> > Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was so
> > atuned
> > to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it through the four
> > gears
> > without touching the clutch pedal, and no gear-grinding at all, ever.
> > Almost
> > like tuning a guitar.
> >
> > Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a long
> time
> > to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few seconds,
> > and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was in a nearby
> > pawn
> > shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of them, all of which
> > needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning fork with me and in the
> > space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. But I decided none was
> > appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it was nice to realize that the
> > skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, never leaves you. And it's the
> same
> > with manual transmissions. There's a joy to be hand in sensing the music
> > inherent in them (well, actually, in the engine itself rather than the
> > tranny). But you get the idea.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jan  2 19:38:15 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 18:38:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h=Rf90h2J3Hn0KvROb5ZePCuF=7dU6=Mbo0=BqvJ-SQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1970174879.46465727.1451785095151.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Just don't let negative feed-back you may get frustrate you...you are in charge of only responding to what and who you like (just like on the campaign trail. ;-))

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 5:02:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Point taken, Jim. I unsub'd from dba-OT a while back because so much of its
content was a waste of time, but your point is well-taken, so I'm going to
re-sub as soon as I post this reply.

Lately I've found myself un-subscribing to dozens of sites that I deemed
essential reading a year or two ago. But in recent months the
Signal-to-Noise ratio has overwhelmed me, and I've been un-subbing to more
and more and more outlets.

But dba-OT and AccessD and dba-SQL are worth my attention, and shall remain
so. So I'm about to re-sub to dba-OT.

A.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> This is such an interesting topic. :-) Too bad it is not on the OT. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 1:26:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
>
> Good for her, Rocky. I cannot claim such immediate proficiency; it took me
> several months to apprehend the wah-wah-wah discordancies and to resolve
> them to wah-wah and ultimately wahhh-wahhhh. It's impossible to tune a
> guitar or any other stringed instrument perfectly; you instead tune it to
> the piece you're about to play In your case, stand-up bass, you've got
> considerably more leeway, and even if the humidity undermines your current
> settings, you as a skilled player can sharpen or flatten a note to suit,
> with a mere half-centimeter shift to find the right harmonic shift. I
> admire that sort of adept acuity immensely. Can't do it quite so quickly on
> guitar, due to frets, but I deeply admire those such as yourself who
> consider frets beneath your skill-set.
>
> There is a piece, perhaps the most celebrated of all time, for solo violin,
> called the Chaconne, from Bach's Partita in A minor, with a D Major section
> that makes me weep, in the right hands. You have to play it with some
> rubato to pull out the reluctant sadness in this superficially sunny
> movement.
>
> I've heard the Chaconne played on bass a couple of times. Can you do it? I
> meant that as a mere hopeful question, not a challenge. It's probably my
> fave piece in the world. I have about 30 versions, and opinions to match
> them as to how well they unfolded the treasures in that ostensibly simple
> 8-chord walk through the park. But it continues to slay me, again and
> again, since I first stumbled upon it about 50 years ago.
>
> I wish I could write code that good. I fear that this is the province of
> genius, and I don't live there. I'm competent but certainly not a genius.
>
> A.
>
> A.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A lost skill. Now that you can have a cheap Snark tuner clipped to the
> head
> > and it shows you exactly where you are relative to the pitch you want.
> >
> > I recently taught my son's GF to play the uke.  First lesson - tuning,
> and
> > I
> > made her tune it by ear to see how good her pitch perception was. It was
> > spot on.
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 8:40 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
> >
> > Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was so
> > atuned
> > to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it through the four
> > gears
> > without touching the clutch pedal, and no gear-grinding at all, ever.
> > Almost
> > like tuning a guitar.
> >
> > Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a long
> time
> > to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few seconds,
> > and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was in a nearby
> > pawn
> > shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of them, all of which
> > needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning fork with me and in the
> > space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. But I decided none was
> > appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it was nice to realize that the
> > skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, never leaves you. And it's the
> same
> > with manual transmissions. There's a joy to be hand in sensing the music
> > inherent in them (well, actually, in the engine itself rather than the
> > tranny). But you get the idea.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Jan  3 01:31:41 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 23:31:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iN2ARt746T4MCymrzhETPJ4jn6CRXKu9SejSFMmCpTRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15848D5D1C20C45A0EBADBFACAFC0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com><2064144769.45642165.1451681949053.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca><003801d14567$27ece680$77c6b380$@tydda.plus.com><CAEPJO1j=jtgO7fAJ0vgnaUBhoG-5Ncu99yqHu5Yzam95u=0-BQ@mail.gmail.com><3DEE70E7B2BA49F59174C2D41055760B@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1iN2ARt746T4MCymrzhETPJ4jn6CRXKu9SejSFMmCpTRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C38180BB0C748EDB53272104EE6AB3E@HAL9007>

Upright bass was my first fretless instrument.  It was harder then fretted.
You have to be precise (although bass is very forgiving).  With frets you
can be close to the fret or far away and the note still comes out on pitch.

I'm still pretty much of a hack bassist.  But I still get paid! :)
(Sometimes..)

But the only chaconne I can find on youtube is the D Minor. Which is a
pretty good tune but not the A minor.  Do you have a link for that?

I don't bow though.  Starting to learn.  It's a different skill.  And really
hard. For straight ahead jazz it's all plucking.

r
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Good for her, Rocky. I cannot claim such immediate proficiency; it took me
several months to apprehend the wah-wah-wah discordancies and to resolve
them to wah-wah and ultimately wahhh-wahhhh. It's impossible to tune a
guitar or any other stringed instrument perfectly; you instead tune it to
the piece you're about to play In your case, stand-up bass, you've got
considerably more leeway, and even if the humidity undermines your current
settings, you as a skilled player can sharpen or flatten a note to suit,
with a mere half-centimeter shift to find the right harmonic shift. I admire
that sort of adept acuity immensely. Can't do it quite so quickly on guitar,
due to frets, but I deeply admire those such as yourself who consider frets
beneath your skill-set.

There is a piece, perhaps the most celebrated of all time, for solo violin,
called the Chaconne, from Bach's Partita in A minor, with a D Major section
that makes me weep, in the right hands. You have to play it with some rubato
to pull out the reluctant sadness in this superficially sunny movement.

I've heard the Chaconne played on bass a couple of times. Can you do it? I
meant that as a mere hopeful question, not a challenge. It's probably my
fave piece in the world. I have about 30 versions, and opinions to match
them as to how well they unfolded the treasures in that ostensibly simple
8-chord walk through the park. But it continues to slay me, again and again,
since I first stumbled upon it about 50 years ago.

I wish I could write code that good. I fear that this is the province of
genius, and I don't live there. I'm competent but certainly not a genius.

A.

A.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> A lost skill. Now that you can have a cheap Snark tuner clipped to the 
> head and it shows you exactly where you are relative to the pitch you
want.
>
> I recently taught my son's GF to play the uke.  First lesson - tuning, 
> and I made her tune it by ear to see how good her pitch perception 
> was. It was spot on.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 8:40 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
>
> Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was so 
> atuned to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it through 
> the four gears without touching the clutch pedal, and no gear-grinding 
> at all, ever.
> Almost
> like tuning a guitar.
>
> Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a long 
> time to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few 
> seconds, and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was 
> in a nearby pawn shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of 
> them, all of which needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning 
> fork with me and in the space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. 
> But I decided none was appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it was 
> nice to realize that the skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, never 
> leaves you. And it's the same with manual transmissions. There's a joy 
> to be hand in sensing the music inherent in them (well, actually, in 
> the engine itself rather than the tranny). But you get the idea.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun :-)
> >
> >
> > Jon
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Jan  3 01:35:24 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 23:35:24 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h=Rf90h2J3Hn0KvROb5ZePCuF=7dU6=Mbo0=BqvJ-SQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iN2ARt746T4MCymrzhETPJ4jn6CRXKu9SejSFMmCpTRA@mail.gmail.com><1763721776.46445221.1451780734817.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAEPJO1h=Rf90h2J3Hn0KvROb5ZePCuF=7dU6=Mbo0=BqvJ-SQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E97662CA57344F2F956BC1CB7B6B50FA@HAL9007>

I don't read everything on OT.  I just blow through a lot of hit - read the
fist 140 characters and hit delete.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 5:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car

Point taken, Jim. I unsub'd from dba-OT a while back because so much of its
content was a waste of time, but your point is well-taken, so I'm going to
re-sub as soon as I post this reply.

Lately I've found myself un-subscribing to dozens of sites that I deemed
essential reading a year or two ago. But in recent months the
Signal-to-Noise ratio has overwhelmed me, and I've been un-subbing to more
and more and more outlets.

But dba-OT and AccessD and dba-SQL are worth my attention, and shall remain
so. So I'm about to re-sub to dba-OT.

A.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> This is such an interesting topic. :-) Too bad it is not on the OT. 
> ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 1:26:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
>
> Good for her, Rocky. I cannot claim such immediate proficiency; it 
> took me several months to apprehend the wah-wah-wah discordancies and 
> to resolve them to wah-wah and ultimately wahhh-wahhhh. It's 
> impossible to tune a guitar or any other stringed instrument 
> perfectly; you instead tune it to the piece you're about to play In 
> your case, stand-up bass, you've got considerably more leeway, and 
> even if the humidity undermines your current settings, you as a 
> skilled player can sharpen or flatten a note to suit, with a mere 
> half-centimeter shift to find the right harmonic shift. I admire that 
> sort of adept acuity immensely. Can't do it quite so quickly on 
> guitar, due to frets, but I deeply admire those such as yourself who
consider frets beneath your skill-set.
>
> There is a piece, perhaps the most celebrated of all time, for solo 
> violin, called the Chaconne, from Bach's Partita in A minor, with a D 
> Major section that makes me weep, in the right hands. You have to play 
> it with some rubato to pull out the reluctant sadness in this 
> superficially sunny movement.
>
> I've heard the Chaconne played on bass a couple of times. Can you do 
> it? I meant that as a mere hopeful question, not a challenge. It's 
> probably my fave piece in the world. I have about 30 versions, and 
> opinions to match them as to how well they unfolded the treasures in 
> that ostensibly simple 8-chord walk through the park. But it continues 
> to slay me, again and again, since I first stumbled upon it about 50 years
ago.
>
> I wish I could write code that good. I fear that this is the province 
> of genius, and I don't live there. I'm competent but certainly not a
genius.
>
> A.
>
> A.
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A lost skill. Now that you can have a cheap Snark tuner clipped to 
> > the
> head
> > and it shows you exactly where you are relative to the pitch you want.
> >
> > I recently taught my son's GF to play the uke.  First lesson - 
> > tuning,
> and
> > I
> > made her tune it by ear to see how good her pitch perception was. It 
> > was spot on.
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf
> Of
> > Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 8:40 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
> >
> > Way back when, I owned a BMW 2003 ti. Man, I loved that car! I was 
> > so atuned to the music of its engine that I could slam-shift it 
> > through the four gears without touching the clutch pedal, and no 
> > gear-grinding at all, ever.
> > Almost
> > like tuning a guitar.
> >
> > Speaking of guitars, when I first began guitar it would take me a 
> > long
> time
> > to successfully tune it. But a year later I could do it in a few 
> > seconds, and that has stuck with me over the decades. Recently I was 
> > in a nearby pawn shop looking for a guitar, and tried out about 5 of 
> > them, all of which needed tuning (surprise). I had brought my tuning 
> > fork with me and in the space of about 3 minutes had tuned them all. 
> > But I decided none was appropriate so I left empty-handed. But it 
> > was nice to realize that the skill of guitar-tuning, once mastered, 
> > never leaves you. And it's the
> same
> > with manual transmissions. There's a joy to be hand in sensing the 
> > music inherent in them (well, actually, in the engine itself rather 
> > than the tranny). But you get the idea.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Manual transmissions aren't about efficiency, they're about fun 
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon
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>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 08:05:14 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 09:05:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a self-driving car
In-Reply-To: <E97662CA57344F2F956BC1CB7B6B50FA@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1iN2ARt746T4MCymrzhETPJ4jn6CRXKu9SejSFMmCpTRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1763721776.46445221.1451780734817.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<CAEPJO1h=Rf90h2J3Hn0KvROb5ZePCuF=7dU6=Mbo0=BqvJ-SQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E97662CA57344F2F956BC1CB7B6B50FA@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1idTA6Qu9gdJ_OteLPSXAQw0MqdZn36PJ5pZj+-4Fy4fg@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

That was a typo. I meant the D minor, from Partita #2. While we're on the
subject, the first instrument I tried to learn was cello, since I love it
so much. But I gave up before even getting the basics down. My thumb ached
sooo much from holding the bow!

My fave cellist of all time is Jackie duPr?, and my fave piece is
Beethoven's Cello Sonata Op. 69 in A. She also does a smashing good job of
the suites for cello #1 and #2. See here
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0PU5RsMEeU> for evidence.

A.
?

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 11:37:56 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 12:37:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j_uXXu4rpkCSm=+OcGNeupLnw5c0FjwhUa5DpObHD1OA@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone on this list actually used this? If so, kindly opine to your
heart's content. Give me The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. (What a terrific
movie! Quentin Tarantino thinks so, too.)

-- 
Arthur

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Jan  3 11:48:26 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 17:48:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j_uXXu4rpkCSm=+OcGNeupLnw5c0FjwhUa5DpObHD1OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j_uXXu4rpkCSm=+OcGNeupLnw5c0FjwhUa5DpObHD1OA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AEE0151@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur

We use it with SharePoint. Word, Excel and PowerPoint in the browser. Works very well.

Martin
________________________________
From: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sent: ?03/?01/?2016 17:38
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server

Has anyone on this list actually used this? If so, kindly opine to your
heart's content. Give me The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. (What a terrific
movie! Quentin Tarantino thinks so, too.)

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 13:55:31 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 14:55:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AEE0151@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <CAEPJO1j_uXXu4rpkCSm=+OcGNeupLnw5c0FjwhUa5DpObHD1OA@mail.gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AEE0151@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i0teQVmv2WqurmD-4_qPYoVFk2H3Ta03SNQDkFSKibog@mail.gmail.com>

But yours is a big-budget (or at least existing budget) outfit. Do you
happen to know off-hand what your university is paying for the license to
SharePoint for all those users? For some, perhaps many, that might be a
tipping point.

A.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Arthur
>
> We use it with SharePoint. Word, Excel and PowerPoint in the browser.
> Works very well.
>
> Martin

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Jan  3 14:09:59 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:09:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i0teQVmv2WqurmD-4_qPYoVFk2H3Ta03SNQDkFSKibog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j_uXXu4rpkCSm=+OcGNeupLnw5c0FjwhUa5DpObHD1OA@mail.gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AEE0151@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<CAEPJO1i0teQVmv2WqurmD-4_qPYoVFk2H3Ta03SNQDkFSKibog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AEE01BF@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur

Its confidential but much much less than a commercial outfit. The non enterprise bits of SharePoint are free still I believe. Cloud versions are available at much less.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/office/en-US/bd169001-e453-44ef-a819-c4851b1263aa/which-sharepoint-2013-is-free?forum=sharepointgeneral



Martin
________________________________
From: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sent: ?03/?01/?2016 19:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server

But yours is a big-budget (or at least existing budget) outfit. Do you
happen to know off-hand what your university is paying for the license to
SharePoint for all those users? For some, perhaps many, that might be a
tipping point.

A.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Arthur
>
> We use it with SharePoint. Word, Excel and PowerPoint in the browser.
> Works very well.
>
> Martin
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jan  3 15:45:32 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 14:45:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC6AEE01BF@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <470392581.47169112.1451857532128.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Martin:

Thanks for the info...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:09:59 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server

Arthur

Its confidential but much much less than a commercial outfit. The non enterprise bits of SharePoint are free still I believe. Cloud versions are available at much less.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/office/en-US/bd169001-e453-44ef-a819-c4851b1263aa/which-sharepoint-2013-is-free?forum=sharepointgeneral



Martin
________________________________
From: Arthur Fuller<mailto:fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sent: ?03/?01/?2016 19:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office WebApps Server

But yours is a big-budget (or at least existing budget) outfit. Do you
happen to know off-hand what your university is paying for the license to
SharePoint for all those users? For some, perhaps many, that might be a
tipping point.

A.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Arthur
>
> We use it with SharePoint. Word, Excel and PowerPoint in the browser.
> Works very well.
>
> Martin
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jan  3 16:21:21 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 15:21:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15844066A363E1A35D6FEA4DCAEF0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1834364671.47185213.1451859681162.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Have you used the product? If so does it work on Windows 7,8 and 10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:40:57 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

Hi John

This Wippien seems not be developed further - which is OK if it works, of course.

Are you using it to encrypt the connection are does it serve other purposes for your setup?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 16. december 2015 02:21
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

It's odd that this should come in today.  I just spent much of the day trying to get Wippien to actually connect the tunnel.  I then resorted to Chrome Remote Desktop, which does work but is... basic. Then played some more with Wippien and finally got a connect between the two ends, whereupon Remote Desktop worked.  RD through Wippien is fast.

Reading about X2Go it seems that it really wants one end (the server) to be Linux?

I am interested if in fact it does not require the third-party server.  
I wonder how they establish the initial connection.

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 22:38:13 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:38:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re:  Remote take over programs
In-Reply-To: <1834364671.47185213.1451859681162.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1834364671.47185213.1451859681162.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <5689F735.70301@Gmail.com>

I use it on Windows 10 on my desktop.  I use it on Windows 11 
(entertainment server, which is really 2008) on my VMs.

It does not look to be under development any more.  The problem is 
common with every "public domain" or free program ever written. Sooner 
or later the author loses interest.

In this case there still seems to be a community of servers to establish 
that initial connection.  Beyond that it works.

I use it solely to get RD over a vpn.  Wippien is the VPN, nothing more 
(for me).

Nowadays most of the vpn users are kids trying to establish game groups, 
chat on the side etc.  I just need a vpn for RD.

It was easy enough to get set up, and can have a "network" of many 
machines, though you do have to register a distinct user (name) for each 
and every machine to be on the network.  Having done that you can see 
every user (machine), and given the IP (5.x.x.x) and permission, can RD 
in over the VPN.

The biggest issue I have for it is that it doesn't seem to start as a 
service as the machine starts up, i.e. it starts up when logged in.  
Which is just fine for connecting desktops with real live users.  In my 
case I am trying to connect VMs.  Which means I have to use RD to log in 
to get wippien running to use RD.  Kind of a catch 22.

Except that I can get at my VM server using RD to a direct IP out on the 
web, then from the desktop there I can RD into the VMs, get wippien 
running and then back out of the RD on the machine from the server and 
go in direct over RD through wippien.  Which is simply much faster than 
the double RD (desktop to server to vm).

So it does work for my purposes, but is clumsy getting all set up.

The VMs run 24/7/365 so once up Wippien stays up and works just fine.

On 1/3/2016 5:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Have you used the product? If so does it work on Windows 7,8 and 10?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:40:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs
>
> Hi John
>
> This Wippien seems not be developed further - which is OK if it works, of course.
>
> Are you using it to encrypt the connection are does it serve other purposes for your setup?
>
> /gustav
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 23:35:29 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 00:35:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <1554344095.46096205.1451728421397.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1554344095.46096205.1451728421397.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <568A04A1.6060301@Gmail.com>

I am using the Odroid-c1 (now an updated version is available).

Same price, but with a gig NIC and 4 usb ports.  Different video GPU 
however.  Quad 1 ghz cpu(s) and 1 gb of RAM.

Quite an awesome little machine.  I am trying to get it set up to be an 
OpenCPN system for my boat.  I have OpenCPN running on a Windows 10 
Laptop (ASUS) but as low powered as that is, it can't touch the low 
power requirements of an Odroid (or Pi).  OTOH I want a screen about the 
size of the laptop...

Nothing is ever simple.

I am trying to get a 15" or larger screen, mounted on a swing arm, below 
decks but visible from the cockpit.

I am currently using a Samsung Tab-s 10.5 which is awesome for the job, 
but doesn't like rain (of course) and is a bit small for the "below 
decks" bit, and it is running Navionics, not OpenCPN.  I love Navionics 
but it doesn't automatically follow the boat an so I have to use a 
finger to swipe the screen periodically to re-center the display over my 
current position.  Sigh.

Nothing is ever simple.

On 1/2/2016 4:53 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> It is amazing what can be done with a Raspberry PI.
>
> Aside: According to the designer of one of the most popular Raspberry PI distros (Mate...sounds like latte), the PI will soon be the most popular hardware/software system in the world. His company has been downloading its OS at a rate of approximately 5000 copies an hour and these numbers have been steadily increasing for over a year.
>
> I know this is a little late for Christmas but your kids birthdays are coming up soon. I would suggest a good soccer ball and the following package:
>
> http://row.kano.me/products/kano-kit
>
> I received a nice Raspberry PI 2 for Christmas and have been thoroughly enjoying it. It has around half a dozen different distros. A complete OS with a substantial selection of applications and servers (full office suite, games (i.e. Mindcraft), SSH, Apache, multiple programming languages, full set of server tools etc etc...) The whole system takes only 3.9 GB so it will run fine on a 16GB SD (probably the smallest SD you can buy at $6.00).
>
> I finally got the X2Go server installed and running...it only supports a single session but after all it is only a PI. It can support half a dozen SSH client connections without issue though. I will install a copy of MC (Midnight Commander) as its foot print is tiny. Couldn't get Mindcraft to display properly, when accessing it remotely, as the game's graphic driver is not compatible, at least not by default.
>
> I may test the Windows10 offering as 6 bucks for the SD doesn't seems like a big investment.
>
> This device would make a great mini-server. If you wish to add on a few TB drives, a USB power hubs would be needed as a Raspberry's only supports USB connections up to 5 watts. USB 3 uses more wattage. I understand there is even a MondoDB module along with a MySQL and even a Postgress database option. One friend installed a copy of OpenWRT, on the product and is now using it as a very secure router.
>
> This is just a start...
>
> Jim
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan  4 04:03:21 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:03:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158407727B48986896B83C2BCAF20@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

No, until further we've settled on Remote Utilities:

https://www.remoteutilities.com/buy/licensing/free-license.php

It works - not fast but acceptable - and fits our purpose at zero costs.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 3. januar 2016 23:21
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

Hi Gustav:

Have you used the product? If so does it work on Windows 7,8 and 10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:40:57 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

Hi John

This Wippien seems not be developed further - which is OK if it works, of course.

Are you using it to encrypt the connection are does it serve other purposes for your setup?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 16. december 2015 02:21
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

It's odd that this should come in today.  I just spent much of the day trying to get Wippien to actually connect the tunnel.  I then resorted to Chrome Remote Desktop, which does work but is... basic. Then played some more with Wippien and finally got a connect between the two ends, whereupon Remote Desktop worked.  RD through Wippien is fast.

Reading about X2Go it seems that it really wants one end (the server) to be Linux?

I am interested if in fact it does not require the third-party server.  
I wonder how they establish the initial connection.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan  4 22:21:14 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:21:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re:  Remote take over programs
In-Reply-To: <5689F735.70301@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <251990380.48101943.1451967674570.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I like the way Microsoft is finally going. No longer are they a company fighting off all challengers but a company who wants to play on the team.

http://bit.ly/1OIHvpL

I couldn't be happier but it also means that no longer are there pure Window's end to end solutions for every situation. In fact the latest and greatest advances have been in Microsoft's adoption of other technologies like hyper-v, nodejs, containers, ubuntu, redhat, juju, hadoop, zfs and on and on...in otherwards MS has fully embraced the world of the open-source and Linux in particular.

I may seem to be beating around the bush but I am trying to say is you are wasting to much time to craft some kind of solution built in pure MS when a hybrid most likely will be a better solution. I just ran up a $35.00 Raspberry PI 2, that can be accessed from anywhere in the world. I can control my entire network which is a mix of Windows and Linux servers and stations. (You will need to have a video cable, mouse and keyboard to set it all up but then put the PI in a small box, connected via a network cable and powered by a handy USB plug...Oh yes, I am using X2Go...the package is still in beta mode but at least it is under active development.)

Jim
    
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 8:38:13 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re:  Remote take over programs

I use it on Windows 10 on my desktop.  I use it on Windows 11 
(entertainment server, which is really 2008) on my VMs.

It does not look to be under development any more.  The problem is 
common with every "public domain" or free program ever written. Sooner 
or later the author loses interest.

In this case there still seems to be a community of servers to establish 
that initial connection.  Beyond that it works.

I use it solely to get RD over a vpn.  Wippien is the VPN, nothing more 
(for me).

Nowadays most of the vpn users are kids trying to establish game groups, 
chat on the side etc.  I just need a vpn for RD.

It was easy enough to get set up, and can have a "network" of many 
machines, though you do have to register a distinct user (name) for each 
and every machine to be on the network.  Having done that you can see 
every user (machine), and given the IP (5.x.x.x) and permission, can RD 
in over the VPN.

The biggest issue I have for it is that it doesn't seem to start as a 
service as the machine starts up, i.e. it starts up when logged in.  
Which is just fine for connecting desktops with real live users.  In my 
case I am trying to connect VMs.  Which means I have to use RD to log in 
to get wippien running to use RD.  Kind of a catch 22.

Except that I can get at my VM server using RD to a direct IP out on the 
web, then from the desktop there I can RD into the VMs, get wippien 
running and then back out of the RD on the machine from the server and 
go in direct over RD through wippien.  Which is simply much faster than 
the double RD (desktop to server to vm).

So it does work for my purposes, but is clumsy getting all set up.

The VMs run 24/7/365 so once up Wippien stays up and works just fine.

On 1/3/2016 5:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Gustav:
>
> Have you used the product? If so does it work on Windows 7,8 and 10?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:40:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs
>
> Hi John
>
> This Wippien seems not be developed further - which is OK if it works, of course.
>
> Are you using it to encrypt the connection are does it serve other purposes for your setup?
>
> /gustav
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan  4 22:55:22 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:55:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB158407727B48986896B83C2BCAF20@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1597596221.48116255.1451969722991.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

It looks like a very interesting solution and if it does all you need...its perfect.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 2:03:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

Hi Jim

No, until further we've settled on Remote Utilities:

https://www.remoteutilities.com/buy/licensing/free-license.php

It works - not fast but acceptable - and fits our purpose at zero costs.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 3. januar 2016 23:21
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

Hi Gustav:

Have you used the product? If so does it work on Windows 7,8 and 10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:40:57 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

Hi John

This Wippien seems not be developed further - which is OK if it works, of course.

Are you using it to encrypt the connection are does it serve other purposes for your setup?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 16. december 2015 02:21
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs

It's odd that this should come in today.  I just spent much of the day trying to get Wippien to actually connect the tunnel.  I then resorted to Chrome Remote Desktop, which does work but is... basic. Then played some more with Wippien and finally got a connect between the two ends, whereupon Remote Desktop worked.  RD through Wippien is fast.

Reading about X2Go it seems that it really wants one end (the server) to be Linux?

I am interested if in fact it does not require the third-party server.  
I wonder how they establish the initial connection.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jan  4 22:52:10 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:52:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <568A04A1.6060301@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <308690719.48115016.1451969530610.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I have heard good things about the Odroid but have not seen it in use...yet. What OS do you have on the device? 

If the Odroid is anything like the Raspberry it runs of 5 watts or less...and supports only devices using 5 watts or less. Most of the new screens have hdmi ports in them. I have been looking around for a small cheap one but if the Odroid is setup with a WiFi you can just run it remotely and you wouldn't have to worry about other accessories. 

The Raspberry has 4 USB ports, a hdmi port, a earphone port and a port for the NIC...same as Odroid.

I have heard some very impressive things about OpenCPN but have not seen Navionics. I might try and run up OpenCPN on one of my Ubuntu stations to see how it runs...it might even run on the Raspberry. ;-)

I have heard of some very small screens you can get for items like the PI and Odroid but if I remember the price seemed high.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 9:35:29 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI

I am using the Odroid-c1 (now an updated version is available).

Same price, but with a gig NIC and 4 usb ports.  Different video GPU 
however.  Quad 1 ghz cpu(s) and 1 gb of RAM.

Quite an awesome little machine.  I am trying to get it set up to be an 
OpenCPN system for my boat.  I have OpenCPN running on a Windows 10 
Laptop (ASUS) but as low powered as that is, it can't touch the low 
power requirements of an Odroid (or Pi).  OTOH I want a screen about the 
size of the laptop...

Nothing is ever simple.

I am trying to get a 15" or larger screen, mounted on a swing arm, below 
decks but visible from the cockpit.

I am currently using a Samsung Tab-s 10.5 which is awesome for the job, 
but doesn't like rain (of course) and is a bit small for the "below 
decks" bit, and it is running Navionics, not OpenCPN.  I love Navionics 
but it doesn't automatically follow the boat an so I have to use a 
finger to swipe the screen periodically to re-center the display over my 
current position.  Sigh.

Nothing is ever simple.

On 1/2/2016 4:53 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> It is amazing what can be done with a Raspberry PI.
>
> Aside: According to the designer of one of the most popular Raspberry PI distros (Mate...sounds like latte), the PI will soon be the most popular hardware/software system in the world. His company has been downloading its OS at a rate of approximately 5000 copies an hour and these numbers have been steadily increasing for over a year.
>
> I know this is a little late for Christmas but your kids birthdays are coming up soon. I would suggest a good soccer ball and the following package:
>
> http://row.kano.me/products/kano-kit
>
> I received a nice Raspberry PI 2 for Christmas and have been thoroughly enjoying it. It has around half a dozen different distros. A complete OS with a substantial selection of applications and servers (full office suite, games (i.e. Mindcraft), SSH, Apache, multiple programming languages, full set of server tools etc etc...) The whole system takes only 3.9 GB so it will run fine on a 16GB SD (probably the smallest SD you can buy at $6.00).
>
> I finally got the X2Go server installed and running...it only supports a single session but after all it is only a PI. It can support half a dozen SSH client connections without issue though. I will install a copy of MC (Midnight Commander) as its foot print is tiny. Couldn't get Mindcraft to display properly, when accessing it remotely, as the game's graphic driver is not compatible, at least not by default.
>
> I may test the Windows10 offering as 6 bucks for the SD doesn't seems like a big investment.
>
> This device would make a great mini-server. If you wish to add on a few TB drives, a USB power hubs would be needed as a Raspberry's only supports USB connections up to 5 watts. USB 3 uses more wattage. I understand there is even a MondoDB module along with a MySQL and even a Postgress database option. One friend installed a copy of OpenWRT, on the product and is now using it as a very secure router.
>
> This is just a start...
>
> Jim
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 04:39:05 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 05:39:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <308690719.48115016.1451969530610.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <308690719.48115016.1451969530610.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <568B9D49.40306@Gmail.com>

One problem with the Raspberry Pi is that all of the USB ports AND the 
NIC all share the bandwidth of a single I/O pin of the processor, i.e. 
if you have high bandwidth on a usb the available bits per second of the 
NIC (and all other USB ports) is reduced.

AFAICT that is not true of the Odroid.  It also has gigabit NIC.

So it seems that the Odroid has much higher available bandwidth for all 
of the usb ports as well as an entirely separate circuit for the NIC.

The available small screens for these machines are small and low 
resolution.  Great for controller styuff but not for things like 
OpenCPN, where at least for me, I want a 13" or higher screen.

On 1/4/2016 11:52 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I have heard good things about the Odroid but have not seen it in use...yet. What OS do you have on the device?
>
> If the Odroid is anything like the Raspberry it runs of 5 watts or less...and supports only devices using 5 watts or less. Most of the new screens have hdmi ports in them. I have been looking around for a small cheap one but if the Odroid is setup with a WiFi you can just run it remotely and you wouldn't have to worry about other accessories.
>
> The Raspberry has 4 USB ports, a hdmi port, a earphone port and a port for the NIC...same as Odroid.
>
> I have heard some very impressive things about OpenCPN but have not seen Navionics. I might try and run up OpenCPN on one of my Ubuntu stations to see how it runs...it might even run on the Raspberry. ;-)
>
> I have heard of some very small screens you can get for items like the PI and Odroid but if I remember the price seemed high.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 9:35:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI
>
> I am using the Odroid-c1 (now an updated version is available).
>
> Same price, but with a gig NIC and 4 usb ports.  Different video GPU
> however.  Quad 1 ghz cpu(s) and 1 gb of RAM.
>
> Quite an awesome little machine.  I am trying to get it set up to be an
> OpenCPN system for my boat.  I have OpenCPN running on a Windows 10
> Laptop (ASUS) but as low powered as that is, it can't touch the low
> power requirements of an Odroid (or Pi).  OTOH I want a screen about the
> size of the laptop...
>
> Nothing is ever simple.
>
> I am trying to get a 15" or larger screen, mounted on a swing arm, below
> decks but visible from the cockpit.
>
> I am currently using a Samsung Tab-s 10.5 which is awesome for the job,
> but doesn't like rain (of course) and is a bit small for the "below
> decks" bit, and it is running Navionics, not OpenCPN.  I love Navionics
> but it doesn't automatically follow the boat an so I have to use a
> finger to swipe the screen periodically to re-center the display over my
> current position.  Sigh.
>
> Nothing is ever simple.
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 04:59:07 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 05:59:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re: Remote take over programs
In-Reply-To: <251990380.48101943.1451967674570.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <251990380.48101943.1451967674570.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <568BA1FB.7010509@Gmail.com>

I am trying to remote into virtual machines all running on a VM server 
colocated in a company a thousand miles away from my desktop.  So I do 
not have physical access to any of the physical or virtual machines I 
need access to.  Further my home office now uses my phone for it's wifi.

The world is indeed changing, and there is no single solution which just 
works.  I can double hop RD through the physical server to any of the 
VMs but it is slow.  I was just trying to get direct access to the VMs, 
using a VPN to host the RD.  Wippien is working just fine for that (once 
set up).

I had used Hamachi for years but LogMeIn bought it and turned it into a 
proprietary pay app.  It has very real, very annoying issues with only 
getting a relay connection in many cases which reduces the bandwidth 
down into the kilo BIT range if that happens.  They don't appear to 
know, nor care how or why that occurs and will not help when it 
happens.  So I moved on.

Remote desktop is rock solid.  It is extremely low bandwidth.  All of my 
machines, from my desktop, to my servers, to my VMs run Windows.  All 
this Windows infrastructure (VM Server / VMs) was developed over many 
years and has been running rock solid for many years.

X2Go may work well for you but it is just not even close to applicable 
in my specific situation, AND it requires my learning and injecting 
Linux into an otherwise entirely Windows setup AND it requires doing so 
in a physical environment a thousand miles away from me.

On 1/4/2016 11:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I like the way Microsoft is finally going. No longer are they a company fighting off all challengers but a company who wants to play on the team.
>
> http://bit.ly/1OIHvpL
>
> I couldn't be happier but it also means that no longer are there pure Window's end to end solutions for every situation. In fact the latest and greatest advances have been in Microsoft's adoption of other technologies like hyper-v, nodejs, containers, ubuntu, redhat, juju, hadoop, zfs and on and on...in otherwards MS has fully embraced the world of the open-source and Linux in particular.
>
> I may seem to be beating around the bush but I am trying to say is you are wasting to much time to craft some kind of solution built in pure MS when a hybrid most likely will be a better solution. I just ran up a $35.00 Raspberry PI 2, that can be accessed from anywhere in the world. I can control my entire network which is a mix of Windows and Linux servers and stations. (You will need to have a video cable, mouse and keyboard to set it all up but then put the PI in a small box, connected via a network cable and powered by a handy USB plug...Oh yes, I am using X2Go...the package is still in beta mode but at least it is under active development.)
>
> Jim
>      
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 8:38:13 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re:  Remote take over programs
>
> I use it on Windows 10 on my desktop.  I use it on Windows 11
> (entertainment server, which is really 2008) on my VMs.
>
> It does not look to be under development any more.  The problem is
> common with every "public domain" or free program ever written. Sooner
> or later the author loses interest.
>
> In this case there still seems to be a community of servers to establish
> that initial connection.  Beyond that it works.
>
> I use it solely to get RD over a vpn.  Wippien is the VPN, nothing more
> (for me).
>
> Nowadays most of the vpn users are kids trying to establish game groups,
> chat on the side etc.  I just need a vpn for RD.
>
> It was easy enough to get set up, and can have a "network" of many
> machines, though you do have to register a distinct user (name) for each
> and every machine to be on the network.  Having done that you can see
> every user (machine), and given the IP (5.x.x.x) and permission, can RD
> in over the VPN.
>
> The biggest issue I have for it is that it doesn't seem to start as a
> service as the machine starts up, i.e. it starts up when logged in.
> Which is just fine for connecting desktops with real live users.  In my
> case I am trying to connect VMs.  Which means I have to use RD to log in
> to get wippien running to use RD.  Kind of a catch 22.
>
> Except that I can get at my VM server using RD to a direct IP out on the
> web, then from the desktop there I can RD into the VMs, get wippien
> running and then back out of the RD on the machine from the server and
> go in direct over RD through wippien.  Which is simply much faster than
> the double RD (desktop to server to vm).
>
> So it does work for my purposes, but is clumsy getting all set up.
>
> The VMs run 24/7/365 so once up Wippien stays up and works just fine.
>
> On 1/3/2016 5:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi Gustav:
>>
>> Have you used the product? If so does it work on Windows 7,8 and 10?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:40:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs
>>
>> Hi John
>>
>> This Wippien seems not be developed further - which is OK if it works, of course.
>>
>> Are you using it to encrypt the connection are does it serve other purposes for your setup?
>>
>> /gustav
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 09:53:56 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:53:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Preparing Security Options - frozen system
In-Reply-To: <001a01d147d1$22ad3a50$6807aef0$@gmail.com>
References: <000d01d140ca$015145d0$03f3d170$@gmail.com>
	<001a01d147d1$22ad3a50$6807aef0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301d147d1$4995dc30$dcc19490$@gmail.com>

 

I still haven't figured this one out. I sent an inquiry to Vipre asking if
it might be a virus but they never responded. :( I'm still looking for info
on this. I see the screen, but it doesn't lock up anymore. But the system is
still unstable - runs fine and then crawls to a near stop. 

 

So, today I was researching the high memory usage for something called
system memory and compressed memory and eventually uninstalled a security
update. System's still slow - but that's no longer showing up in Task
Manager with a huge number. It's still there, just small. 

 

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/syst
em-memory-and-compressed-memory-interrupts-of/5258b703-7566-437d-af81-2d0b3a
a8a806?page=2

 

Susan H. 

 

From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:14 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >
Subject: Preparing Security Options - frozen system

 

http://www.sevenforums.com/system-security/186656-preparing-security-options
-errors.html

 

I've been researching this problem a lot over the last few days and although
it seems old, I seem to be having the problem for the first time with a new
system (just a few months old). It first appeared after upgrading to Windows
10 from 8.1. It's annoying to say the least, especially since there seems no
consensus on what's causing this or how to get rid of it. Anyone have any
experience with this and able to offer some help? 

 

Thanks!

Susan Harkins

 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jan  5 16:11:37 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:11:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <568B9D49.40306@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <506464471.48652426.1452031897055.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I did not know that but now that you have told me I will investigate further...my SiL's birthday is coming up in a couple of months and what better present than a new odroid toy. :-)

If you run across a low powered 13 inch screen at a reasonable price let me know.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:39:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI

One problem with the Raspberry Pi is that all of the USB ports AND the 
NIC all share the bandwidth of a single I/O pin of the processor, i.e. 
if you have high bandwidth on a usb the available bits per second of the 
NIC (and all other USB ports) is reduced.

AFAICT that is not true of the Odroid.  It also has gigabit NIC.

So it seems that the Odroid has much higher available bandwidth for all 
of the usb ports as well as an entirely separate circuit for the NIC.

The available small screens for these machines are small and low 
resolution.  Great for controller styuff but not for things like 
OpenCPN, where at least for me, I want a 13" or higher screen.

On 1/4/2016 11:52 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I have heard good things about the Odroid but have not seen it in use...yet. What OS do you have on the device?
>
> If the Odroid is anything like the Raspberry it runs of 5 watts or less...and supports only devices using 5 watts or less. Most of the new screens have hdmi ports in them. I have been looking around for a small cheap one but if the Odroid is setup with a WiFi you can just run it remotely and you wouldn't have to worry about other accessories.
>
> The Raspberry has 4 USB ports, a hdmi port, a earphone port and a port for the NIC...same as Odroid.
>
> I have heard some very impressive things about OpenCPN but have not seen Navionics. I might try and run up OpenCPN on one of my Ubuntu stations to see how it runs...it might even run on the Raspberry. ;-)
>
> I have heard of some very small screens you can get for items like the PI and Odroid but if I remember the price seemed high.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 9:35:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The wonders of the Raspberry PI
>
> I am using the Odroid-c1 (now an updated version is available).
>
> Same price, but with a gig NIC and 4 usb ports.  Different video GPU
> however.  Quad 1 ghz cpu(s) and 1 gb of RAM.
>
> Quite an awesome little machine.  I am trying to get it set up to be an
> OpenCPN system for my boat.  I have OpenCPN running on a Windows 10
> Laptop (ASUS) but as low powered as that is, it can't touch the low
> power requirements of an Odroid (or Pi).  OTOH I want a screen about the
> size of the laptop...
>
> Nothing is ever simple.
>
> I am trying to get a 15" or larger screen, mounted on a swing arm, below
> decks but visible from the cockpit.
>
> I am currently using a Samsung Tab-s 10.5 which is awesome for the job,
> but doesn't like rain (of course) and is a bit small for the "below
> decks" bit, and it is running Navionics, not OpenCPN.  I love Navionics
> but it doesn't automatically follow the boat an so I have to use a
> finger to swipe the screen periodically to re-center the display over my
> current position.  Sigh.
>
> Nothing is ever simple.
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jan  5 17:58:16 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:58:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re: Remote take over programs
In-Reply-To: <568BA1FB.7010509@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1447563210.48735850.1452038296396.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I am still unset with what happened to Hamachi. 

Aside: Got my first copy of Hamachi, at a trade fair, in Vancouver, where a couple of local boys had put it together and were giving away free copies...with a donation...I think I paid twenty dollars. At the time I could have actually got a copy of the source code but why should I as the guys insisted it would always be free. In the end I do not think the two guys that created it got anything for it. These were days before GNU GPL licensing and a lot of people were ripped off and never received any credit, let alone money. Today there is the Linux Foundation which received funds from hundreds of individuals and companies and then distributes that money based on importance and need. 

Having everything running many miles away definitely limits how adventuresome you can become. I think all new versions of windows comes with SSH pre-installed. The beauty of that is unless your hardware has completely failed it can be always be securely accessed remotely. I definitely like a good GUI but have learned how to do most things from the command prompt. Microsoft's new command language is very impressive. I used to modify some comprehensive scripts (didn't build them as that would have evolved into a career path) that could fully test all the hardware. the OS, the communications, the new POS software and then install and download it from a remote site (...of course I was on the host site). There is also some great web based software for managing databases like PHPAdmin for MySQL and I have even heard that there is some good packages for MS SQL...used one for MS SQL about ten years ago but can't remember what it is...it was a little flaky but it ran off the client's IIS/Apache. I believe there are some excellent packages available now.

Apparently you have a good solution now so what extra do you need? :-)

PS I have been testing the following software on one of my servers to see how it works. If properly configured it may be a great remote solution for managing local resources: http://osjsv2.0o.no/ It is all web-bases and uses html5/css3 and lots and lots of javascript so it can be completely modified to any client's needs. The pages will modify for any device (have not tested it on a cell phone yet) but it runs on a tablet and even has swipe controls. It would of course need two level authentication being exposed to the web but there is all sorts of code on the github site. It can be a prefect one stop control for any client...if the client does not have IIS then they can have Apache installed on any computer, with any OS. If I was still in business I might look very seriously at this as a platform for a universal support solution.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:59:07 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re: Remote take over programs

I am trying to remote into virtual machines all running on a VM server 
colocated in a company a thousand miles away from my desktop.  So I do 
not have physical access to any of the physical or virtual machines I 
need access to.  Further my home office now uses my phone for it's wifi.

The world is indeed changing, and there is no single solution which just 
works.  I can double hop RD through the physical server to any of the 
VMs but it is slow.  I was just trying to get direct access to the VMs, 
using a VPN to host the RD.  Wippien is working just fine for that (once 
set up).

I had used Hamachi for years but LogMeIn bought it and turned it into a 
proprietary pay app.  It has very real, very annoying issues with only 
getting a relay connection in many cases which reduces the bandwidth 
down into the kilo BIT range if that happens.  They don't appear to 
know, nor care how or why that occurs and will not help when it 
happens.  So I moved on.

Remote desktop is rock solid.  It is extremely low bandwidth.  All of my 
machines, from my desktop, to my servers, to my VMs run Windows.  All 
this Windows infrastructure (VM Server / VMs) was developed over many 
years and has been running rock solid for many years.

X2Go may work well for you but it is just not even close to applicable 
in my specific situation, AND it requires my learning and injecting 
Linux into an otherwise entirely Windows setup AND it requires doing so 
in a physical environment a thousand miles away from me.

On 1/4/2016 11:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I like the way Microsoft is finally going. No longer are they a company fighting off all challengers but a company who wants to play on the team.
>
> http://bit.ly/1OIHvpL
>
> I couldn't be happier but it also means that no longer are there pure Window's end to end solutions for every situation. In fact the latest and greatest advances have been in Microsoft's adoption of other technologies like hyper-v, nodejs, containers, ubuntu, redhat, juju, hadoop, zfs and on and on...in otherwards MS has fully embraced the world of the open-source and Linux in particular.
>
> I may seem to be beating around the bush but I am trying to say is you are wasting to much time to craft some kind of solution built in pure MS when a hybrid most likely will be a better solution. I just ran up a $35.00 Raspberry PI 2, that can be accessed from anywhere in the world. I can control my entire network which is a mix of Windows and Linux servers and stations. (You will need to have a video cable, mouse and keyboard to set it all up but then put the PI in a small box, connected via a network cable and powered by a handy USB plug...Oh yes, I am using X2Go...the package is still in beta mode but at least it is under active development.)
>
> Jim
>      
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 8:38:13 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Wippien - was Re:  Remote take over programs
>
> I use it on Windows 10 on my desktop.  I use it on Windows 11
> (entertainment server, which is really 2008) on my VMs.
>
> It does not look to be under development any more.  The problem is
> common with every "public domain" or free program ever written. Sooner
> or later the author loses interest.
>
> In this case there still seems to be a community of servers to establish
> that initial connection.  Beyond that it works.
>
> I use it solely to get RD over a vpn.  Wippien is the VPN, nothing more
> (for me).
>
> Nowadays most of the vpn users are kids trying to establish game groups,
> chat on the side etc.  I just need a vpn for RD.
>
> It was easy enough to get set up, and can have a "network" of many
> machines, though you do have to register a distinct user (name) for each
> and every machine to be on the network.  Having done that you can see
> every user (machine), and given the IP (5.x.x.x) and permission, can RD
> in over the VPN.
>
> The biggest issue I have for it is that it doesn't seem to start as a
> service as the machine starts up, i.e. it starts up when logged in.
> Which is just fine for connecting desktops with real live users.  In my
> case I am trying to connect VMs.  Which means I have to use RD to log in
> to get wippien running to use RD.  Kind of a catch 22.
>
> Except that I can get at my VM server using RD to a direct IP out on the
> web, then from the desktop there I can RD into the VMs, get wippien
> running and then back out of the RD on the machine from the server and
> go in direct over RD through wippien.  Which is simply much faster than
> the double RD (desktop to server to vm).
>
> So it does work for my purposes, but is clumsy getting all set up.
>
> The VMs run 24/7/365 so once up Wippien stays up and works just fine.
>
> On 1/3/2016 5:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi Gustav:
>>
>> Have you used the product? If so does it work on Windows 7,8 and 10?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:40:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remote take over programs
>>
>> Hi John
>>
>> This Wippien seems not be developed further - which is OK if it works, of course.
>>
>> Are you using it to encrypt the connection are does it serve other purposes for your setup?
>>
>> /gustav
>>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 11:10:48 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:10:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] How can I set up a web-server at home?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hgjJq+puhbe9ZjvRksrQfRybBk02kKLdg7_EUQENbzgA@mail.gmail.com>

I have three computers plus a tablet. Two of the three are running Win 10,
with the third currently on Win 7. I want to set up a local web-server on
that third box, which currently mostly does nothing but consume
electrcricity. I have a solid cable connection.

What I need is a recipe for how to turn this ancient box into a web-server
that will host my own site. Can anyone help or at least point me to
articles about this subject?

I don't expect a large amount of traffic -- maybe a dozen or so visitors
per day.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 11:33:46 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:33:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cubits and Qubits
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gkZqj5wa7cP0pepqW6gkahUuvf6WWWdYX4V6bcPR9MNw@mail.gmail.com>

Without consulting Google, do you remember what a cubit is? Noah's Ark was
measured in cubits. A cubit was an ancient measure of length, based on the
distance from one's extended middle finger to the elbow -- and thus
obviously a rather imprecise measure, but it served for several centuries,
and is still employed in the oft-forgot discipline of hedge-laying. Who
knew that even in this information-age, that one could make a living in
hedge-laying? Most people I know don't even have a lawn, let alone a hedge
describing its edges. I guess that's the province of the fancy-pants, whose
company I enjoy all too little.

And then we have Qubit, a term from quantum mechanics, which refers
toa two-state
quantum-mechanical system
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_quantum_system>, such as the
polarization <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_polarization> of a
single photon <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon>: here the two states
are vertical polarization and horizontal polarization.  In a classical
system, a bit would have to be in one state or the other. However quantum
mechanics allows the qubit to be in a superposition
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition> of both states at the
same time. Or, in the vernacular, there are simultaneously two square root
of 4 -- 2^2 and -2^2. And so on, for all the square roots.

But for my money, the magic numbers are 9 and 11. Any multple of 9 adds
horizontally to 9 (9 * 3 = 27, 2 +7 = 9). Any multiple of 11 results in an
ascending + descending staircase: 11 * 11 = 121. 11 *11 * 11 - 12321, and
so on.

Are there other such magical numbers? (Aside from 1 and 0.)

-- 
Arthur

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 12:32:09 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:32:09 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] How can I set up a web-server at home?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hgjJq+puhbe9ZjvRksrQfRybBk02kKLdg7_EUQENbzgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hgjJq+puhbe9ZjvRksrQfRybBk02kKLdg7_EUQENbzgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568EAF29.3080209@earthlink.net>

On 1/7/2016 11:10, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I have three computers plus a tablet. Two of the three are running Win 10,
> with the third currently on Win 7. I want to set up a local web-server on
> that third box, which currently mostly does nothing but consume
> electrcricity. I have a solid cable connection.
>
> What I need is a recipe for how to turn this ancient box into a web-server
> that will host my own site. Can anyone help or at least point me to
> articles about this subject?
>
> I don't expect a large amount of traffic -- maybe a dozen or so visitors
> per day.

It can be done with Microsoft tools eg ...

http://www.thetechmentor.com/posts/how-to-host-a-web-site-from-your-computer/
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1774

but arrrgh. You can do it more efficiently with generic tools eg ...

http://superuser.com/questions/536533/for-hosting-and-publish-a-website-at-home-computer

but it's still complicated, a chronic maintenance problem, about as 
unreliable as your weather and your cats. Most always it turns out to be 
way less effort to buy shared hosting for pennies a day.

PB

From Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com  Thu Jan  7 13:45:52 2016
From: Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com (Zimmer, Michael)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:45:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cubits and Qubits
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gkZqj5wa7cP0pepqW6gkahUuvf6WWWdYX4V6bcPR9MNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gkZqj5wa7cP0pepqW6gkahUuvf6WWWdYX4V6bcPR9MNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6763936ED419A949BE5DEAA5A345C7224CF4CFD5@sfldmiex022>

Arthur

Not to be argumentative, but isn't 11*11*11=1331?  
And 11*11*11*11=14641?  
And 11*11*11*11*11=161051?

I'm probably missing something, number games aren't my forte.

Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 11:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cubits and Qubits

Without consulting Google, do you remember what a cubit is? Noah's Ark was measured in cubits. A cubit was an ancient measure of length, based on the distance from one's extended middle finger to the elbow -- and thus obviously a rather imprecise measure, but it served for several centuries, and is still employed in the oft-forgot discipline of hedge-laying. Who knew that even in this information-age, that one could make a living in hedge-laying? Most people I know don't even have a lawn, let alone a hedge describing its edges. I guess that's the province of the fancy-pants, whose company I enjoy all too little.

And then we have Qubit, a term from quantum mechanics, which refers toa two-state quantum-mechanical system <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_quantum_system>, such as the polarization <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_polarization> of a single photon <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon>: here the two states are vertical polarization and horizontal polarization.  In a classical system, a bit would have to be in one state or the other. However quantum mechanics allows the qubit to be in a superposition <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition> of both states at the same time. Or, in the vernacular, there are simultaneously two square root of 4 -- 2^2 and -2^2. And so on, for all the square roots.

But for my money, the magic numbers are 9 and 11. Any multple of 9 adds horizontally to 9 (9 * 3 = 27, 2 +7 = 9). Any multiple of 11 results in an ascending + descending staircase: 11 * 11 = 121. 11 *11 * 11 - 12321, and so on.

Are there other such magical numbers? (Aside from 1 and 0.)

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 22:23:17 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:23:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] How can I set up a web-server at home?
In-Reply-To: <568EAF29.3080209@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1hgjJq+puhbe9ZjvRksrQfRybBk02kKLdg7_EUQENbzgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<568EAF29.3080209@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <568F39B5.6020404@Gmail.com>

 >but it's still complicated, a chronic maintenance problem, about as 
unreliable as your weather and your cats. Most always it turns out to be 
way less effort to buy shared hosting for pennies a day.

Uhh yep.  And a constant security risk.

On 1/7/2016 1:32 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
> On 1/7/2016 11:10, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> I have three computers plus a tablet. Two of the three are running 
>> Win 10,
>> with the third currently on Win 7. I want to set up a local 
>> web-server on
>> that third box, which currently mostly does nothing but consume
>> electrcricity. I have a solid cable connection.
>>
>> What I need is a recipe for how to turn this ancient box into a 
>> web-server
>> that will host my own site. Can anyone help or at least point me to
>> articles about this subject?
>>
>> I don't expect a large amount of traffic -- maybe a dozen or so visitors
>> per day.
>
> It can be done with Microsoft tools eg ...
>
> http://www.thetechmentor.com/posts/how-to-host-a-web-site-from-your-computer/ 
>
> http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1774
>
> but arrrgh. You can do it more efficiently with generic tools eg ...
>
> http://superuser.com/questions/536533/for-hosting-and-publish-a-website-at-home-computer 
>
>
> but it's still complicated, a chronic maintenance problem, about as 
> unreliable as your weather and your cats. Most always it turns out to 
> be way less effort to buy shared hosting for pennies a day.
>
> PB
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Jan  8 00:13:40 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:13:40 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How can I set up a web-server at home?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hgjJq+puhbe9ZjvRksrQfRybBk02kKLdg7_EUQENbzgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hgjJq+puhbe9ZjvRksrQfRybBk02kKLdg7_EUQENbzgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568F5394.25420.F007F1C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

1. You need a fixed IP address from your ISP.

2. Port forwarding set up on your router to forward Port 80 traffic to the box acting as a web 
server.

3. Something like  WAMP Server installed on the box.


And a good firewall :)

-- 
Stuart

On 7 Jan 2016 at 12:10, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I have three computers plus a tablet. Two of the three are running Win
> 10, with the third currently on Win 7. I want to set up a local
> web-server on that third box, which currently mostly does nothing but
> consume electrcricity. I have a solid cable connection.
> 
> What I need is a recipe for how to turn this ancient box into a
> web-server that will host my own site. Can anyone help or at least
> point me to articles about this subject?
> 
> I don't expect a large amount of traffic -- maybe a dozen or so
> visitors per day.
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:43:04 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:43:04 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
Message-ID: <56929828.1020907@earthlink.net>

Anybody tried to add fonts to win10? Once you successfully navigate the 
Orwellian security system to adjust all the required settings & 
permissions, win10 won't let you add a font until you enable the Windows 
firewall: 
http://superuser.com/questions/957907/unable-to-install-fonts-on-windows-10

Is there no way to persuade the lunatics at Redmond to back off such 
insanity?

PB

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 11 03:55:20 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:55:20 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15849F02AFD3E31DED0E2D91CAC90@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Peter

Interesting, though I know of nobody that runs Windows from XP and up without the firewall.

/gustav

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Emne: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security

Anybody tried to add fonts to win10? Once you successfully navigate the Orwellian security system to adjust all the required settings & permissions, win10 won't let you add a font until you enable the Windows
firewall: 
http://superuser.com/questions/957907/unable-to-install-fonts-on-windows-10

Is there no way to persuade the lunatics at Redmond to back off such insanity?

PB 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 04:41:07 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 05:41:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15849F02AFD3E31DED0E2D91CAC90@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15849F02AFD3E31DED0E2D91CAC90@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iP9ABZSgjN1wEy7b+nLOHPuTLEBFd8BK6NVhjCDfVXsQ@mail.gmail.com>

In my many decades of computing, I have never even once tried to install a
font. Call me a dullard, but even now I can't think of a reason why I might
want to.

A.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 11 04:47:53 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:47:53 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158420F042E2ADFE1E92B2F9CAC90@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

We do that routinely on our office machines. Way back we used some fonts form Micrographx for "corporate use" and we haven't bothered redesigning invoice layout. It's faster just to install the old fonts.

One day we might change to some default fonts of Windows ...

/gustav

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In my many decades of computing, I have never even once tried to install a font. Call me a dullard, but even now I can't think of a reason why I might want to.

A. 


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 11 05:06:12 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 06:06:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
Message-ID: <90683585.63434.1452510372339.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> I can't think of a reason why I might want to. 

1, adaptive web pages need to be tested with fonts not available in stock windows installation

2, more readable monospace fonts than courier

3, fancy fonts for pretty printing

PB

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From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
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Date: 01/11/16 5:41 AM
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: 
Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
In my many decades of computing, I have never even once tried to install a
font. Call me a dullard, but even now I can't think of a reason why I might
want to.

A.
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 11 05:13:32 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 06:13:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
Message-ID: <569235922.63435.1452510812099.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> I know of nobody that runs Windows from XP and up without the firewall. 

A NAT router protects as well as a Windows firewall, which can get in the way of database servers running on the machine.

PB


---- Original Message ----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: 01/11/16 4:55 AM
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: 
Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security
Hi Peter

Interesting, though I know of nobody that runs Windows from XP and up without the firewall.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley
Sendt: 10. januar 2016 18:43
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security

Anybody tried to add fonts to win10? Once you successfully navigate the Orwellian security system to adjust all the required settings & permissions, win10 won't let you add a font until you enable the Windows
firewall: 
http://superuser.com/questions/957907/unable-to-install-fonts-on-windows-10

Is there no way to persuade the lunatics at Redmond to back off such insanity?

PB 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 11 05:29:09 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:29:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical win10 security
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158484E8543A7B0A7B5A6F98CAC90@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Peter

Well, sure, it not only can, it will - by intention and purpose - get in the way. 
But I would say, that if you have trouble opening a port in the Windows firewall - you will face big troubles in this business.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af peter.brawley at earthlink.net
Sendt: 11. januar 2016 12:14
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security

> I know of nobody that runs Windows from XP and up without the firewall. 

A NAT router protects as well as a Windows firewall, which can get in the way of database servers running on the machine.

PB


---- Original Message ----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: 01/11/16 4:55 AM
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: 
Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security Hi Peter

Interesting, though I know of nobody that runs Windows from XP and up without the firewall.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley
Sendt: 10. januar 2016 18:43
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] comical wi n10 security

Anybody tried to add fonts to win10? Once you successfully navigate the Orwellian security system to adjust all the required settings & permissions, win10 won't let you add a font until you enable the Windows
firewall: 
http://superuser.com/questions/957907/unable-to-install-fonts-on-windows-10

Is there no way to persuade the lunatics at Redmond to back off such insanity?

PB 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 11 09:47:02 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:47:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook template and macro
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584A947F0432EF2DF3D1D89CAC90@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I have never programmed anything in Outlook, neither bothered with templates.

However, a client has an urgent need and asks for help to modify a template and - stupid me - responded that I could take care as the original programmer is gone-gone. How difficult can that be?

Well, in Outlook 2016, I have managed to find the Developer checkbox and mark it, so I do have the Developer ribbon present. But that's about it. In other words, I'm in serious trouble ...

I have a zip with these files to work with (xyz is client's name):

    olkexplorer.officeUI
    olkmailread.officeUI
    xyz.oft
    xyzVbaProject.otm

also:

    xyz.bat (seems to be a bat file to copy the otm file to the user's folder)

I can open the oft file and make some changes, but I cannot find out how to "Save As" ... clicking the menu does nothing, so it seems.

But where does the otm file come in? I can find no way to open it.

Also, the target is both Outlook 2010 and 2013. Can I safely program for these in 2016 or 2013 given that the original code is for 2010/2013?

As you can see, this is indeed not my ballgame. 
So could someone provide a short guide or direct me to a crash course in Outlook development, please?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 11 10:15:32 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:15:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook template and macro
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15849DD3C6C411F85B4FA55FCAC90@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I've got one step further - by renaming the otm file to VbaProject.otm and copying it to:

    %appdata%\Microsoft\Outlook

Now, when opening Outlook, I have a Forms, UserForm1 form (seems empty) and a Modules, Module1 module with some functions that seems relevant to the task.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Dba-office [mailto:dba-office-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 11. januar 2016 16:47
Til: dba-office at databaseadvisors.com; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [Dba-office] Outlook template and macro

Hi all

I have a zip with these files to work with (xyz is client's name):

    olkexplorer.officeUI
    olkmailread.officeUI
    xyz.oft
    xyzVbaProject.otm

also:

    xyz.bat (seems to be a bat file to copy the otm file to the user's folder)

I can open the oft file and make some changes, but I cannot find out how to "Save As" ... clicking the menu does nothing, so it seems.

But where does the otm file come in? I can find no way to open it.



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 11 12:00:36 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 13:00:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] comical win10 security
Message-ID: <1996345048.63495.1452535236474.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> Well, sure, it not only can, it will - by intention and purpose - get in the way. 

Which is not desired.

> But I would say, that if you have trouble opening a port in the Windows firewall 

I don't, but it's a complication that offers little utility esp. given all win10's infuriating vagaries.

> you will face big troubles in this business.

Thanks for the help.

PB

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 13:27:01 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question
Message-ID: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>

To bookmark a site, you click the star. If you double-click the star,
Firefox displays the Edit Bookmark dialog which displays a select group of
folders - I'm guessing those you use most often. I also have subfolders, but
highlighting a folder doesn't show those subfolders. I have to select Choose
and work through the hierarchy. Is there any way to force that original
dialog to display subfolders? 

 

Susan Harkins


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 15:11:54 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:11:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question
In-Reply-To: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>
References: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+xCG4Zh6K1+egY-F87eU7ZLYz7jrGe+faotLjgdHzAWA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I always click the word bookmarks in the menu bar on top. I've
never been good with icons. ;-)

GK

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> To bookmark a site, you click the star. If you double-click the star,
> Firefox displays the Edit Bookmark dialog which displays a select group of
> folders - I'm guessing those you use most often. I also have subfolders, but
> highlighting a folder doesn't show those subfolders. I have to select Choose
> and work through the hierarchy. Is there any way to force that original
> dialog to display subfolders?
>
>
>
> Susan Harkins
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 15:26:49 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:26:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+xCG4Zh6K1+egY-F87eU7ZLYz7jrGe+faotLjgdHzAWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+xCG4Zh6K1+egY-F87eU7ZLYz7jrGe+faotLjgdHzAWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006801d14d7f$f2ed2c30$d8c78490$@gmail.com>

Hmmmm.... I don't see that. 

Susan H. 


Sorry, I always click the word bookmarks in the menu bar on top. I've never
been good with icons. ;-)

GK

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> To bookmark a site, you click the star. If you double-click the star, 
> Firefox displays the Edit Bookmark dialog which displays a select 
> group of folders - I'm guessing those you use most often. I also have 
> subfolders, but highlighting a folder doesn't show those subfolders. I 
> have to select Choose and work through the hierarchy. Is there any way 
> to force that original dialog to display subfolders?
>
>
>
> Susan Harkins
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Jan 12 15:54:11 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:54:11 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question
In-Reply-To: <006801d14d7f$f2ed2c30$d8c78490$@gmail.com>
References: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+xCG4Zh6K1+egY-F87eU7ZLYz7jrGe+faotLjgdHzAWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006801d14d7f$f2ed2c30$d8c78490$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC8DE21@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Hit the Alt key and the traditional menu bar will appear.

Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question

Hmmmm.... I don't see that. 

Susan H. 


Sorry, I always click the word bookmarks in the menu bar on top. I've never been good with icons. ;-)

GK

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> To bookmark a site, you click the star. If you double-click the star, 
> Firefox displays the Edit Bookmark dialog which displays a select 
> group of folders - I'm guessing those you use most often. I also have 
> subfolders, but highlighting a folder doesn't show those subfolders. I 
> have to select Choose and work through the hierarchy. Is there any way 
> to force that original dialog to display subfolders?
>
>
>
> Susan Harkins
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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garykjos at gmail.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 15:59:02 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:59:02 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question
In-Reply-To: <006801d14d7f$f2ed2c30$d8c78490$@gmail.com>
References: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+xCG4Zh6K1+egY-F87eU7ZLYz7jrGe+faotLjgdHzAWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006801d14d7f$f2ed2c30$d8c78490$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKpcfhEF3ktbd+4ppTJc7k_CrpT7J6k+EPERcx4Fm=e6Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you right click up on the top area where the tabs are or where the
address bar is you will get a drop down of possible menus/bars you
want to see.  I like the traditional

File Edit View History Bookmarks Tools Help

menu so I always keep that one visible.

GK

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmmm.... I don't see that.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> Sorry, I always click the word bookmarks in the menu bar on top. I've never
> been good with icons. ;-)
>
> GK
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> To bookmark a site, you click the star. If you double-click the star,
>> Firefox displays the Edit Bookmark dialog which displays a select
>> group of folders - I'm guessing those you use most often. I also have
>> subfolders, but highlighting a folder doesn't show those subfolders. I
>> have to select Choose and work through the hierarchy. Is there any way
>> to force that original dialog to display subfolders?
>>
>>
>>
>> Susan Harkins
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 15:59:51 2016
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:59:51 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKpcfhEF3ktbd+4ppTJc7k_CrpT7J6k+EPERcx4Fm=e6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+xCG4Zh6K1+egY-F87eU7ZLYz7jrGe+faotLjgdHzAWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006801d14d7f$f2ed2c30$d8c78490$@gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKpcfhEF3ktbd+4ppTJc7k_CrpT7J6k+EPERcx4Fm=e6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKO_iYno-ZZJ4ED=EmbAXpNOhQjCmBbt-6nkw6Q_NE4PA@mail.gmail.com>

You have to right click while not specifically ON anything.

GK

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you right click up on the top area where the tabs are or where the
> address bar is you will get a drop down of possible menus/bars you
> want to see.  I like the traditional
>
> File Edit View History Bookmarks Tools Help
>
> menu so I always keep that one visible.
>
> GK
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmmmm.... I don't see that.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I always click the word bookmarks in the menu bar on top. I've never
>> been good with icons. ;-)
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To bookmark a site, you click the star. If you double-click the star,
>>> Firefox displays the Edit Bookmark dialog which displays a select
>>> group of folders - I'm guessing those you use most often. I also have
>>> subfolders, but highlighting a folder doesn't show those subfolders. I
>>> have to select Choose and work through the hierarchy. Is there any way
>>> to force that original dialog to display subfolders?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Susan Harkins
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 16:01:32 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:01:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC8DE21@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <004001d14d6f$368b6a30$a3a23e90$@gmail.com>	<CAJ2R_p+xCG4Zh6K1+egY-F87eU7ZLYz7jrGe+faotLjgdHzAWA@mail.gmail.com>	<006801d14d7f$f2ed2c30$d8c78490$@gmail.com>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FC8DE21@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <00b701d14d84$ccd618e0$66824aa0$@gmail.com>

Thanks -- first time I've seen that. It's not any quicker for my purposes,
but I'm glad to know that trick! Thank you!

Susan H. 


Hit the Alt key and the traditional menu bar will appear.

Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox bookmarking question

Hmmmm.... I don't see that. 

Susan H. 


Sorry, I always click the word bookmarks in the menu bar on top. I've never
been good with icons. ;-)

GK

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> To bookmark a site, you click the star. If you double-click the star, 
> Firefox displays the Edit Bookmark dialog which displays a select 
> group of folders - I'm guessing those you use most often. I also have 
> subfolders, but highlighting a folder doesn't show those subfolders. I 
> have to select Choose and work through the hierarchy. Is there any way 
> to force that original dialog to display subfolders?
>
>
>
> Susan Harkins
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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garykjos at gmail.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan 13 03:04:37 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:04:37 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discounted MAPS
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584AAFB5E8E3F214C22A33ACACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I received this from Microsoft:

<quote>
Get 50% off Action Pack and get your app built, certified, and in front of customers faster

An MPN Action Pack membership provides resources to help you create applications, certify your work, and make money from your product. You'll receive the latest Microsoft software, including Visual Studio Professional, Office 365 E3, Enterprise Mobility Suite, Microsoft Azure, and more.

Use code WELCOME2ACTIONPACK.
</quote>

The page is here, though it doesn't state anything about this offer:

https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx?maps

/gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan 13 03:20:33 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:20:33 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 Development for Absolute Beginners
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB158405E1685F06DD6490A7EFCACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

If you are stepping around this topic, here's a route to step into it - a free course at MVA:

    https://mva.microsoft.com/en-US/training-courses/windows-10-development-for-absolute-beginners-14541?l=cWn0dxwqB_4305632527&MC=Windows

It is no less than 18 hours in 80 modules, so it is not just a "Hello World" thing, and the instructor is Bob Tabor who is a pleasant guy to listen to.

/gustav

From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Jan 13 07:34:51 2016
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:34:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discounted MAPS
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584AAFB5E8E3F214C22A33ACACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584AAFB5E8E3F214C22A33ACACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <002501d14e07$2f63eaf0$8e2bc0d0$@com>

Thanks gustav!, it indeed works, at the very end you have a field you can
place this promo code in and apply it to your order. It's saved me ~250.00
bucks

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 4:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Development in Visual Studio
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discounted MAPS

Hi all

I received this from Microsoft:

<quote>
Get 50% off Action Pack and get your app built, certified, and in front of
customers faster

An MPN Action Pack membership provides resources to help you create
applications, certify your work, and make money from your product. You'll
receive the latest Microsoft software, including Visual Studio Professional,
Office 365 E3, Enterprise Mobility Suite, Microsoft Azure, and more.

Use code WELCOME2ACTIONPACK.
</quote>

The page is here, though it doesn't state anything about this offer:

https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx?maps

/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan 13 08:15:12 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:15:12 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discounted MAPS
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15846F8E0BC2D2DA957E28A8CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Robert

Glad to hear that. Your wire will glow.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Robert
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 14:35
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Discounted MAPS

Thanks gustav!, it indeed works, at the very end you have a field you can place this promo code in and apply it to your order. It's saved me ~250.00 bucks

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 4:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Development in Visual Studio
Subject: [dba-Tech] Discounted MAPS

Hi all

I received this from Microsoft:

<quote>
Get 50% off Action Pack and get your app built, certified, and in front of customers faster

An MPN Action Pack membership provides resources to help you create applications, certify your work, and make money from your product. You'll receive the latest Microsoft software, including Visual Studio Professional, Office 365 E3, Enterprise Mobility Suite, Microsoft Azure, and more.

Use code WELCOME2ACTIONPACK.
</quote>

The page is here, though it doesn't state anything about this offer:

https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx?maps

/gustav 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Jan 13 12:12:19 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:12:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
Message-ID: <56969383.7060304@torchlake.com>

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box 
with 2 Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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231-322-2787


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan 13 12:54:21 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:54:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15847E79759CBC24280D7740CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Tina

Indeed. My ten+ year old HP Pavilion zd8237 runs nicely with its Pentium 4 CPU. 2 GB was a lot those days.

If you also spend some money on a SSD drive, you will feel like having a new machine.

/gustav

Fra: Tina Norris Fields<mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 19:12
Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box
with 2 Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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231-322-2787



From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jan 13 01:44:09 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 01:44:09 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB15847E79759CBC24280D7740CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB15847E79759CBC24280D7740CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAGEEQIHo6DBOrDniOuzVGtYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
Did you install that from CD or via the Windows update download update?

I tried upgrading a Dell OptiPlex GX620 with Pentium 4 and 2GB earlier this
week and the Windows 10 logo was on the main screen for about 12 hours. It
never displayed anything else.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi Tina

Indeed. My ten+ year old HP Pavilion zd8237 runs nicely with its Pentium 4
CPU. 2 GB was a lot those days.

If you also spend some money on a SSD drive, you will feel like having a new
machine.

/gustav

Fra: Tina Norris Fields<mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 19:12
Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jan 13 13:58:01 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:58:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAGEEQIHo6DBOrDniOuzVGtYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB15847E79759CBC24280D7740CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAGEEQIHo6DBOrDniOuzVGtYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3F04F288EC854A9CAA3C6280015D71C7@HAL9007>

Second that about the SSD.  I put in one last month - 250GB, struggled
through getting all of the right drivers installed, and the comp now runs
like a spotted dog. And the 500GB rotator is still there for the overflow.
But everything I need fits handily on the 250.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:44 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
Importance: High

Hi Gustav,
Did you install that from CD or via the Windows update download update?

I tried upgrading a Dell OptiPlex GX620 with Pentium 4 and 2GB earlier this
week and the Windows 10 logo was on the main screen for about 12 hours. It
never displayed anything else.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi Tina

Indeed. My ten+ year old HP Pavilion zd8237 runs nicely with its Pentium 4
CPU. 2 GB was a lot those days.

If you also spend some money on a SSD drive, you will feel like having a new
machine.

/gustav

Fra: Tina Norris Fields<mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 19:12
Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Jan 13 14:08:29 2016
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:08:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <56969383.7060304@torchlake.com>
References: <56969383.7060304@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <000601d14e3e$2c032ec0$84098c40$@de>

Tina:
You could use the following program (pcwWin10Check.exe, 104kB) to run a
check.
It is in German but you can understand the results anyhow.
I put it on OneDrive for you to download.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FBF5A7A9ED28B73D!1022&authkey=!AKps-UD
YjvtfT6g&ithint=file%2cexe

HTH Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Tina Norris Fields
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 19:12
An: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Jan 13 14:28:37 2016
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:28:37 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <000601d14e3e$2c032ec0$84098c40$@de>
References: <56969383.7060304@torchlake.com>
	<000601d14e3e$2c032ec0$84098c40$@de>
Message-ID: <000a01d14e40$fc11e640$f435b2c0$@de>

Here is the short URL for the link given below.

http://tinyurl.com/hn5g63v

Helmut
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Helmut Kotsch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 21:08
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Tina:
You could use the following program (pcwWin10Check.exe, 104kB) to run a
check.
It is in German but you can understand the results anyhow.
I put it on OneDrive for you to download.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FBF5A7A9ED28B73D!1022&authkey=!AKps-UD
YjvtfT6g&ithint=file%2cexe

HTH Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Tina Norris Fields
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 19:12
An: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Jan 13 14:33:46 2016
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:33:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <000601d14e3e$2c032ec0$84098c40$@de>
References: <56969383.7060304@torchlake.com>
	<000601d14e3e$2c032ec0$84098c40$@de>
Message-ID: <5696B4AA.9040703@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Helmut.  I have downloaded and will run on the XP machine.
Vielen Dank,
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 01/13/16 3:08 PM, Helmut Kotsch wrote:
> Tina:
> You could use the following program (pcwWin10Check.exe, 104kB) to run a
> check.
> It is in German but you can understand the results anyhow.
> I put it on OneDrive for you to download.
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FBF5A7A9ED28B73D!1022&authkey=!AKps-UD
> YjvtfT6g&ithint=file%2cexe
>
> HTH Helmut
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
> Tina Norris Fields
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 19:12
> An: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
>
> Hi All,
>
> What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
> Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 14:39:21 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:39:21 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAGEEQIHo6DBOrDniOuzVGtYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB15847E79759CBC24280D7740CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAGEEQIHo6DBOrDniOuzVGtYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <5696B5F9.60403@earthlink.net>

On 1/13/2016 1:44, John R Bartow wrote:
> Hi Gustav,
> Did you install that from CD or via the Windows update download update?
>
> I tried upgrading a Dell OptiPlex GX620 with Pentium 4 and 2GB earlier this
> week and the Windows 10 logo was on the main screen for about 12 hours. It
> never displayed anything else.

I doubt 2GB would suffice for win10, it'd be swapping for everytihing. 
My win10 laptop is using >3GB with just small appsrunning.

PB

-----
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
>
> Hi Tina
>
> Indeed. My ten+ year old HP Pavilion zd8237 runs nicely with its Pentium 4
> CPU. 2 GB was a lot those days.
>
> If you also spend some money on a SSD drive, you will feel like having a new
> machine.
>
> /gustav
>
> Fra: Tina Norris Fields<mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 13. januar 2016 19:12
> Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
>
> Hi All,
>
> What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
> Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jan 13 15:29:35 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:29:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1584DAC5B09412F988AF6F87CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

I always do a clean install from DVD or ? for newer machines ? a USB-stick for our own machines as I use the Windows 10 ISOs from MAPS.

On friends? and family machines I have to use the download to obtain the license.

/gustav


Fra: John R Bartow<mailto:jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 20:45
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
Prioritet: H?j

Hi Gustav,
Did you install that from CD or via the Windows update download update?

I tried upgrading a Dell OptiPlex GX620 with Pentium 4 and 2GB earlier this
week and the Windows 10 logo was on the main screen for about 12 hours. It
never displayed anything else.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi Tina

Indeed. My ten+ year old HP Pavilion zd8237 runs nicely with its Pentium 4
CPU. 2 GB was a lot those days.

If you also spend some money on a SSD drive, you will feel like having a new
machine.

/gustav

Fra: Tina Norris Fields<mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 19:12
Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

--
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tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787



From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jan 13 05:31:24 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 05:31:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <000a01d14e40$fc11e640$f435b2c0$@de>
References: <56969383.7060304@torchlake.com>	<000601d14e3e$2c032ec0$84098c40$@de>
	<000a01d14e40$fc11e640$f435b2c0$@de>
Message-ID: <057e01d14df5$ef9c76f0$ced564d0$@winhaven.net>

Helmut,
Hope you don't mind if I snatch a copy too. I'll try running it on my Del
that didn't want to move past the logo screen.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:29 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Here is the short URL for the link given below.

http://tinyurl.com/hn5g63v

Helmut
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Helmut Kotsch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 21:08
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Tina:
You could use the following program (pcwWin10Check.exe, 104kB) to run a
check.
It is in German but you can understand the results anyhow.
I put it on OneDrive for you to download.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FBF5A7A9ED28B73D!1022&authkey=!AKps-UD
YjvtfT6g&ithint=file%2cexe

HTH Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Tina Norris Fields
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 19:12
An: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jan 13 05:31:24 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 05:31:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB1584DAC5B09412F988AF6F87CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB1584DAC5B09412F988AF6F87CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <057f01d14df5$efdd7790$cf9866b0$@winhaven.net>

Thanks Gustav. I'll give it a try again. 
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi John

I always do a clean install from DVD or ? for newer machines ? a USB-stick for our own machines as I use the Windows 10 ISOs from MAPS.

On friends? and family machines I have to use the download to obtain the license.

/gustav


Fra: John R Bartow<mailto:jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 20:45
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
Prioritet: H?j

Hi Gustav,
Did you install that from CD or via the Windows update download update?

I tried upgrading a Dell OptiPlex GX620 with Pentium 4 and 2GB earlier this week and the Windows 10 logo was on the main screen for about 12 hours. It never displayed anything else.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi Tina

Indeed. My ten+ year old HP Pavilion zd8237 runs nicely with its Pentium 4 CPU. 2 GB was a lot those days.

If you also spend some money on a SSD drive, you will feel like having a new machine.

/gustav

Fra: Tina Norris Fields<mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 13. januar 2016 19:12
Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2 Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jan 13 05:31:24 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 05:31:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <5696B5F9.60403@earthlink.net>
References: <VI1PR06MB15847E79759CBC24280D7740CACB0@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAAGEEQIHo6DBOrDniOuzVGtYBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>
	<5696B5F9.60403@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <058001d14df5$f004fcc0$d00ef640$@winhaven.net>

I thought if it could run Windows 7 so handily that it should be able to
handle Windows 10, which is purported to run lighter than 7. 

If I spec a Windows 7-10 machine its always 4 minimum and upwards from there
depending on use and or config.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Brawley
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

On 1/13/2016 1:44, John R Bartow wrote:
> Hi Gustav,
> Did you install that from CD or via the Windows update download update?
>
> I tried upgrading a Dell OptiPlex GX620 with Pentium 4 and 2GB earlier 
> this week and the Windows 10 logo was on the main screen for about 12 
> hours. It never displayed anything else.

I doubt 2GB would suffice for win10, it'd be swapping for everytihing. 
My win10 laptop is using >3GB with just small appsrunning.

PB

-----
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
>
> Hi Tina
>
> Indeed. My ten+ year old HP Pavilion zd8237 runs nicely with its 
> Pentium 4 CPU. 2 GB was a lot those days.
>
> If you also spend some money on a SSD drive, you will feel like having 
> a new machine.
>
> /gustav
>
> Fra: Tina Norris Fields<mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 13. januar 2016 19:12
> Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
>
> Hi All,
>
> What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box 
> with 2 Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Jan 13 18:10:55 2016
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 01:10:55 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
In-Reply-To: <057e01d14df5$ef9c76f0$ced564d0$@winhaven.net>
References: <56969383.7060304@torchlake.com>	<000601d14e3e$2c032ec0$84098c40$@de>	<000a01d14e40$fc11e640$f435b2c0$@de>
	<057e01d14df5$ef9c76f0$ced564d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000e01d14e60$09ae9b80$1d0bd280$@de>

John,
no problem. Go ahead.

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
John R Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 12:31
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP
Wichtigkeit: Hoch

Helmut,
Hope you don't mind if I snatch a copy too. I'll try running it on my Del
that didn't want to move past the logo screen.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:29 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Here is the short URL for the link given below.

http://tinyurl.com/hn5g63v

Helmut
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Helmut Kotsch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 21:08
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Tina:
You could use the following program (pcwWin10Check.exe, 104kB) to run a
check.
It is in German but you can understand the results anyhow.
I put it on OneDrive for you to download.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FBF5A7A9ED28B73D!1022&authkey=!AKps-UD
YjvtfT6g&ithint=file%2cexe

HTH Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Tina Norris Fields
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 19:12
An: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 and XP

Hi All,

What are the system requirements for Windows 10?  Would a Win XP box with 2
Gig RAM and 100 Gig hard drive be sufficient?

TNF

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tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 10:05:51 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 11:05:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to identify hot-keys in use?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h5jZd86E3Fe6=Jw_-8fR9gA79Jr4-ceWwE_kuAoaSrkg@mail.gmail.com>

Is there some way to identify all the hot-keys in use and which programs
are using them?

-- 
Arthur

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jan 25 02:20:14 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:20:14 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?MICROSOFT_Lumia_950_Dual?=
Message-ID: <1453710014.248154218@f164.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Does anybody use Microsoft Lumia 950 smartphone?
Is it a good experience? :) Pun intended - the word "experience" is becoming a "buzzword" when talking about the use of the modern Microsoft soft- and hard-ware.
What about dock-station NOKIA HD-500 for Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL?
I'm considering to purchase both... Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 25 04:23:44 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:23:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB1573B2CB957EE346438871EECAC70@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

Not me, I'm quite satisfied with my Lumia 925 which fits me well. It should be upgraded to Windows 10 this Spring.
The 950 has got good reviews here, and the docking unit is clever, though I have access to that many computers and tablets, that I probably wouldn't have a need for it.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 25. januar 2016 09:20
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual

 Hi All --

Does anybody use Microsoft Lumia 950 smartphone?
Is it a good experience? :) Pun intended - the word "experience" is becoming a "buzzword" when talking about the use of the modern Microsoft soft- and hard-ware.
What about dock-station NOKIA HD-500 for Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL?
I'm considering to purchase both... Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ?????? 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jan 25 10:24:36 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:24:36 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?MICROSOFT_Lumia_950_Dual?=
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB1573B2CB957EE346438871EECAC70@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB5PR06MB1573B2CB957EE346438871EECAC70@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1453739076.713393276@f362.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your comment.
Yes, you have MS Surface 2 or 3 tablet, don't you? - then you can wait for something better than 950 to come from MS.

-- Shamil

>Monday, January 25, 2016 10:23 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Not me, I'm quite satisfied with my Lumia 925 which fits me well. It should be upgraded to Windows 10 this Spring.
>The 950 has got good reviews here, and the docking unit is clever, though I have access to that many computers and tablets, that I probably wouldn't have a need for it.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. januar 2016 09:20
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Emne: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Does anybody use Microsoft Lumia 950 smartphone?
>Is it a good experience? :) Pun intended - the word "experience" is becoming a "buzzword" when talking about the use of the modern Microsoft soft- and hard-ware.
>What about dock-station NOKIA HD-500 for Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL?
>I'm considering to purchase both... Thank you.
>
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>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 25 10:39:56 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:39:56 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
Message-ID: <DB5PR06MB15731C010E4BA2D5388E5F10CAC70@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

Yes, it's a Surface 2 Pro - and two Lenovo 1051-2 tablets - plus four desktops and a laptop.

But it's not that I wait for something better than 950 - it will come for sure - just that our two Lumias 925 and 820 work very well, so there is really no reason to spend money just to have the newest model, indeed not if they can be upgraded to Windows 10. I'm not sure about the 820, time will tell.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 25. januar 2016 17:25
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your comment.
Yes, you have MS Surface 2 or 3 tablet, don't you? - then you can wait for something better than 950 to come from MS.

-- Shamil

>Monday, January 25, 2016 10:23 AM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Not me, I'm quite satisfied with my Lumia 925 which fits me well. It should be upgraded to Windows 10 this Spring.
>The 950 has got good reviews here, and the docking unit is clever, though I have access to that many computers and tablets, that I probably wouldn't have a need for it.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. januar 2016 09:20
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Emne: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Does anybody use Microsoft Lumia 950 smartphone?
>Is it a good experience? :) Pun intended - the word "experience" is becoming a "buzzword" when talking about the use of the modern Microsoft soft- and hard-ware.
>What about dock-station NOKIA HD-500 for Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL?
>I'm considering to purchase both... Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ?????? 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Jan 25 11:10:53 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:10:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
In-Reply-To: <1453710014.248154218@f164.i.mail.ru>
References: <1453710014.248154218@f164.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <010601d15793$59430af0$0bc920d0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Shamil,
I do not - yet. I have a Lumia 928 with which I am extremely satisfied. 

Unfortunately I have dropped it quite a distance and it has some damage to the speaker system so I may have to upgrade to the Lumia 950. The 950 appears to be the best thing out there. If you purchase one, please update on your experience.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:20 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual

 Hi All --

Does anybody use Microsoft Lumia 950 smartphone?
Is it a good experience? :) Pun intended - the word "experience" is becoming a "buzzword" when talking about the use of the modern Microsoft soft- and hard-ware.
What about dock-station NOKIA HD-500 for Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL?
I'm considering to purchase both... Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jan 25 11:11:44 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:11:44 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?MICROSOFT_Lumia_950_Dual?=
In-Reply-To: <DB5PR06MB15731C010E4BA2D5388E5F10CAC70@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB5PR06MB15731C010E4BA2D5388E5F10CAC70@DB5PR06MB1573.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1453741904.993770651@f227.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

You've a large hardware park! :)

And I still have Nokia Lumia 800 - and it works very well, but it will not get Win 10 - so 950 promise to be a good selection for a new smartphone here.

-- Shamil

>Monday, January 25, 2016 4:39 PM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes, it's a Surface 2 Pro - and two Lenovo 1051-2 tablets - plus four desktops and a laptop.
>
>But it's not that I wait for something better than 950 - it will come for sure - just that our two Lumias 925 and 820 work very well, so there is really no reason to spend money just to have the newest model, indeed not if they can be upgraded to Windows 10. I'm not sure about the 820, time will tell.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. januar 2016 17:25
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Thank you for your comment.
>Yes, you have MS Surface 2 or 3 tablet, don't you? - then you can wait for something better than 950 to come from MS.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>>Monday, January 25, 2016 10:23 AM UTC from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Not me, I'm quite satisfied with my Lumia 925 which fits me well. It should be upgraded to Windows 10 this Spring.
>>The 950 has got good reviews here, and the docking unit is clever, though I have access to that many computers and tablets, that I probably wouldn't have a need for it.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 25. januar 2016 09:20
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>Emne: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
>>
>>?Hi All --
>>
>>Does anybody use Microsoft Lumia 950 smartphone?
>>Is it a good experience? :) Pun intended - the word "experience" is becoming a "buzzword" when talking about the use of the modern Microsoft soft- and hard-ware.
>>What about dock-station NOKIA HD-500 for Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL?
>>I'm considering to purchase both... Thank you.
>>
>>-- 
>>???????????? ?????? 
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jan 25 11:20:45 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:20:45 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB15842285024C135E9C29ECCDCAC70@VI1PR06MB1584.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

I should note that they service both me and Rita - at the office as well as at home (which serves as a second office as well).

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 25. januar 2016 18:12
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual

 Hi Gustav --

You've a large hardware park! :)

And I still have Nokia Lumia 800 - and it works very well, but it will not get Win 10 - so 950 promise to be a good selection for a new smartphone here.

-- Shamil

>Monday, January 25, 2016 4:39 PM UTC from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes, it's a Surface 2 Pro - and two Lenovo 1051-2 tablets - plus four desktops and a laptop.
>
>But it's not that I wait for something better than 950 - it will come for sure - just that our two Lumias 925 and 820 work very well, so there is really no reason to spend money just to have the newest model, indeed not if they can be upgraded to Windows 10. I'm not sure about the 820, time will tell.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 25. januar 2016 17:25
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] MICROSOFT Lumia 950 Dual
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Thank you for your comment.
>Yes, you have MS Surface 2 or 3 tablet, don't you? - then you can wait for something better than 950 to come from MS.
>
>-- Shamil 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jan 26 00:22:14 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:22:14 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
Message-ID: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such
certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep backups,
etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another external HD on my
main box.
 
Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was
formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
 
It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little audio
ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after that -
nothing.
 
How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start using it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 07:56:23 2016
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:56:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
In-Reply-To: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>
References: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFZa1a_4L9gVm0NtiDfc2JSAPghxSZZ2xkR9eYUN4SSuA@mail.gmail.com>

>From the Mac format it as FAT32 or if you have a read/write NTFS
driver, you can format it NTFS directly from the Mac.

B

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such
> certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep backups,
> etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another external HD on my
> main box.
>
> Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was
> formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
>
> It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little audio
> ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after that -
> nothing.
>
> How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start using it?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Jan 26 07:58:51 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:58:51 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
In-Reply-To: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>
References: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA8629C242B@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Right-click My PC (or This Computer) and select 'Manage'. Then select Disk Management. You should see the hard drive listed without a drive letter. To be sure disconnect it, refresh the screen and connect again and refresh again. 

Then right-click the drive and select 'Change Drive Letter and paths.'  Yu can the assign a drive letter, and you will be able to format it from there too.


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:22 AM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD

Dear List:
 
I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep backups, etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another external HD on my main box.
 
Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
 
It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little audio ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after that - nothing.
 
How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start using it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Jan 26 10:50:33 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:50:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
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References: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA8629C242B@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <02e001d15859$accb6700$06623500$@winhaven.net>

Bingo!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:59 AM
To: List
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

Right-click My PC (or This Computer) and select 'Manage'. Then select Disk
Management. You should see the hard drive listed without a drive letter. To
be sure disconnect it, refresh the screen and connect again and refresh
again. 

Then right-click the drive and select 'Change Drive Letter and paths.'  Yu
can the assign a drive letter, and you will be able to format it from there
too.


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:22 AM
To: List
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD

Dear List:
 
I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such
certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep backups,
etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another external HD on my
main box.
 
Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was
formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
 
It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little audio
ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after that -
nothing.
 
How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start using it?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jan 27 14:53:45 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:53:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFZa1a_4L9gVm0NtiDfc2JSAPghxSZZ2xkR9eYUN4SSuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>
	<CAAZtbWFZa1a_4L9gVm0NtiDfc2JSAPghxSZZ2xkR9eYUN4SSuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <835B6B3B563A4D829394AC0D42829ADB@HAL9007>

That worked.  Thanks.  Bit confusing trying to figure out where things are
on that MAC.  But good ol' Google always helps.  Had to format FAT32 then
reformat on the PC for NTFS.  All happy now.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

>From the Mac format it as FAT32 or if you have a read/write NTFS driver, you
can format it NTFS directly from the Mac.

B

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such 
> certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep 
> backups, etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another 
> external HD on my main box.
>
> Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was 
> formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
>
> It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little 
> audio ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after 
> that - nothing.
>
> How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start using
it?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Jan 27 15:32:39 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:32:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
In-Reply-To: <835B6B3B563A4D829394AC0D42829ADB@HAL9007>
References: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007>
	<CAAZtbWFZa1a_4L9gVm0NtiDfc2JSAPghxSZZ2xkR9eYUN4SSuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<835B6B3B563A4D829394AC0D42829ADB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA8629C3F04@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

Did my suggestion to use Windows Disk Management not pan out? 

Just curious.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:54 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

That worked.  Thanks.  Bit confusing trying to figure out where things are on that MAC.  But good ol' Google always helps.  Had to format FAT32 then reformat on the PC for NTFS.  All happy now.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

>From the Mac format it as FAT32 or if you have a read/write NTFS driver, you can format it NTFS directly from the Mac.

B

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such 
> certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep 
> backups, etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another 
> external HD on my main box.
>
> Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was 
> formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
>
> It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little 
> audio ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after 
> that - nothing.
>
> How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start 
> using
it?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!"
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jan 27 18:50:32 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:50:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
In-Reply-To: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA8629C3F04@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
References: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007><CAAZtbWFZa1a_4L9gVm0NtiDfc2JSAPghxSZZ2xkR9eYUN4SSuA@mail.gmail.com><835B6B3B563A4D829394AC0D42829ADB@HAL9007>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA8629C3F04@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <00B09FBEDCEF41F29CFB4D7AC59EA8B5@HAL9007>

I tried first formatting it FAT32 on the MAC and then reformatted on the PC
--> NTFS.  SO I never got to try WDM.  But thank you for the lead.  Looks
like a good thing to know about.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

Did my suggestion to use Windows Disk Management not pan out? 

Just curious.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:54 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

That worked.  Thanks.  Bit confusing trying to figure out where things are
on that MAC.  But good ol' Google always helps.  Had to format FAT32 then
reformat on the PC for NTFS.  All happy now.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

>From the Mac format it as FAT32 or if you have a read/write NTFS driver, you
can format it NTFS directly from the Mac.

B

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such 
> certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep 
> backups, etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another 
> external HD on my main box.
>
> Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was 
> formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
>
> It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little 
> audio ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after 
> that - nothing.
>
> How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start 
> using
it?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Jan 28 08:33:40 2016
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:33:40 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] External HD
In-Reply-To: <00B09FBEDCEF41F29CFB4D7AC59EA8B5@HAL9007>
References: <09D74C5F1B6645F29604C5C00438E1BF@HAL9007><CAAZtbWFZa1a_4L9gVm0NtiDfc2JSAPghxSZZ2xkR9eYUN4SSuA@mail.gmail.com><835B6B3B563A4D829394AC0D42829ADB@HAL9007>
	<D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA8629C3F04@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>
	<00B09FBEDCEF41F29CFB4D7AC59EA8B5@HAL9007>
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I use it now and then when Windows decides to 'forget' about a flash drive. :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:51 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

I tried first formatting it FAT32 on the MAC and then reformatted on the PC
--> NTFS.  SO I never got to try WDM.  But thank you for the lead.  
--> Looks
like a good thing to know about.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

Did my suggestion to use Windows Disk Management not pan out? 

Just curious.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:54 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

That worked.  Thanks.  Bit confusing trying to figure out where things are on that MAC.  But good ol' Google always helps.  Had to format FAT32 then reformat on the PC for NTFS.  All happy now.

r
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] External HD

>From the Mac format it as FAT32 or if you have a read/write NTFS driver, you can format it NTFS directly from the Mac.

B

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a MAC which I inherited and which I intended to use with such 
> certainty that I bought an external HD - a WD Passport - to keep 
> backups, etc.  But I never really used it but I do need another 
> external HD on my main box.
>
> Problem is when click Start-->Computer, it doesn't show up.  It was 
> formatted for the MAC but I want to reformat it for Windows.
>
> It is being 'seen' by the comp - when I plug it in I get that little 
> audio ba-deep that tell me a device has been plugged in.  But after 
> that - nothing.
>
> How can I get this drive to be 'seen' so I can format it and start 
> using
it?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!"
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