From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  1 03:07:52 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:07:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
Message-ID: <HE1PR0601MB22026BCEA6A0B87137FB6850CAE20@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

It could be interesting to know if PowerApps would fit this bill:

    https://web.powerapps.com

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/powerapps/9nblggh5z8f3

It has some very powerful features hard to obtain otherwise but limitation seems to be the coding. But perhaps you can live with that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow
Sendt: 1. september 2016 06:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
Prioritet: H?j

Hi all,
Wondering if any of you know of a web based app that would fill the needs of what an old access app did that I wrote 15+ years ago. The old one is pretty simple in concept but it uses VBA to accomplish  much of the functionality and as A2016 doesn't support that anymore it is starting to break and they want a new one that is web based. It's basically 3 main tables with metadata, linking tables and lookups. 
Person <> Organization and a "Bulk Mail List" which essentially holds person IDs chosen via the first two. Using selected info from any of the three tables data or all, it then produces emails, a faxing list for people without email addresses, labels for people without either (hey, it was from last century) and content reports. There is also some pretty basic event tracking based on events they have people invited/attending which is pretty much based on person IDs being linked to a small event info table. The "Security" was based on metadata held in the main tables.

So rather than reinventing the wheel, if there is something that would fit the bill then we'll just check that out as a replacement.

Here is an outline of what they want now (other than a couple of modern items the access app did all of this):

The following list of functions was identified by staff as critical to the automation of contact lists in a web based Contact Manager (CM):

.Store name, address, phone (multiple), and emails (multiple) per person
o	Optional space for professional title and certifications (P.E. CST,
etc.)
.Store name of group/organization/event with space to type in description
o	Option to store group address
o	Option to store group web page, Twitter, Facebook 
.Ability to link a person to a group/organization/event (one to many) .Ability to assign a person's role in each group/organization/event (one to
one)
.Allow groups and people to be combined (many to one) to form a bulk mailing list .Link to Outlook to allow emailing to lists directly from CM app .Link to Dymo printers to allow printing of mailing labels/name tags from CM app .Export lists to:
o	Outlook folders
o	Excel
o	Constant Contact 
o	Word for mail merges
.Import lists from:
o	Outlook
o	SharePoint (recycling app)
o	Excel
.Produce reports:
o	By last name 
o	By email address
o	By group/organization/event
o	By bulk mailing list
.Allow links from another, existing, web app to allow people in the CM app to be connected to a permit and assigned a role in the permit process
.Security:
o	Records and displays who created all contacts and lists
o	Warn/verify when a list is deleted - double warning if you did not
create the list
.Must be mobile compatible (phone, tablet, etc.)
.Searches:
o	By last name
o	By email address
o	By phone number
o	By group/organization/event
.Ideas:
o	May replace Constant Contact if CM app allows for web subscribing to
mailing lists.
o	Needs to allow links from a SharePoint app, which stores details on
events such as attendance, presenters, location, start times, and other attributes.

Thanks for any suggestions,
John 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 05:54:00 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 06:54:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR0601MB22026BCEA6A0B87137FB6850CAE20@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HE1PR0601MB22026BCEA6A0B87137FB6850CAE20@HE1PR0601MB2202.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iGg+oTBGpX-Dzc534aUyRG7ipJrmLYiueheEmk1c3j5g@mail.gmail.com>

John,

I have previously sung the song of Alpha Anywhere, and you compel me to
sing them again. Yiou can't exactly port an Access app to AA, but you can
deliver an app that can run on smart-phone, tablet and web-site with not
much more effort than filling in some property-sheets (that's the Access
term). Alpha is truly remarkable in this respect. 99% of what you need to
accomplish can be done by filling out "property sheets" -- not what they
are called in AA, but you'll quickly get the point.

AA is not cheap, but that's because they know they have a winning solution.
You can grab a free trial and check out what they offer.

Full disclosure: I have a forthcoming eBook called "The Access Developer's
Guide to Alpha Anywhere". I'm two chapters from Done, and haven't yet
decided how to market it. I may just add it for free download to my
website; not sure yet.

Arthur

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:07 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> It could be interesting to know if PowerApps would fit this bill:
>
>     https://web.powerapps.com
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/powerapps/9nblggh5z8f3
>
> It has some very powerful features hard to obtain otherwise but limitation
> seems to be the coding. But perhaps you can live with that.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> John R Bartow
> Sendt: 1. september 2016 06:52
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
> Prioritet: H?j
>
> Hi all,
> Wondering if any of you know of a web based app that would fill the needs
> of what an old access app did that I wrote 15+ years ago. The old one is
> pretty simple in concept but it uses VBA to accomplish  much of the
> functionality and as A2016 doesn't support that anymore it is starting to
> break and they want a new one that is web based. It's basically 3 main
> tables with metadata, linking tables and lookups.
> Person <> Organization and a "Bulk Mail List" which essentially holds
> person IDs chosen via the first two. Using selected info from any of the
> three tables data or all, it then produces emails, a faxing list for people
> without email addresses, labels for people without either (hey, it was from
> last century) and content reports. There is also some pretty basic event
> tracking based on events they have people invited/attending which is pretty
> much based on person IDs being linked to a small event info table. The
> "Security" was based on metadata held in the main tables.
>
> So rather than reinventing the wheel, if there is something that would fit
> the bill then we'll just check that out as a replacement.
>
> Here is an outline of what they want now (other than a couple of modern
> items the access app did all of this):
>
> The following list of functions was identified by staff as critical to the
> automation of contact lists in a web based Contact Manager (CM):
>
> .Store name, address, phone (multiple), and emails (multiple) per person
> o       Optional space for professional title and certifications (P.E. CST,
> etc.)
> .Store name of group/organization/event with space to type in description
> o       Option to store group address
> o       Option to store group web page, Twitter, Facebook
> .Ability to link a person to a group/organization/event (one to many)
> .Ability to assign a person's role in each group/organization/event (one to
> one)
> .Allow groups and people to be combined (many to one) to form a bulk
> mailing list .Link to Outlook to allow emailing to lists directly from CM
> app .Link to Dymo printers to allow printing of mailing labels/name tags
> from CM app .Export lists to:
> o       Outlook folders
> o       Excel
> o       Constant Contact
> o       Word for mail merges
> .Import lists from:
> o       Outlook
> o       SharePoint (recycling app)
> o       Excel
> .Produce reports:
> o       By last name
> o       By email address
> o       By group/organization/event
> o       By bulk mailing list
> .Allow links from another, existing, web app to allow people in the CM app
> to be connected to a permit and assigned a role in the permit process
> .Security:
> o       Records and displays who created all contacts and lists
> o       Warn/verify when a list is deleted - double warning if you did not
> create the list
> .Must be mobile compatible (phone, tablet, etc.)
> .Searches:
> o       By last name
> o       By email address
> o       By phone number
> o       By group/organization/event
> .Ideas:
> o       May replace Constant Contact if CM app allows for web subscribing
> to
> mailing lists.
> o       Needs to allow links from a SharePoint app, which stores details on
> events such as attendance, presenters, location, start times, and other
> attributes.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> John
>
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>



-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep  2 10:30:37 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 15:30:37 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
Message-ID: <AM4PR0601MB2196CB321C34C56D4A295D44CAE50@AM4PR0601MB2196.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John et al

I just finished the get-started tutorial here for an app from scratch:

https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/get-started-create-from-blank/

It doesn't take long and it works!

A major limitation seems to be, that the created apps are only accessible from within your organization, thus not for public access, not even invited access.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 1. september 2016 10:08
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things

Hi John

It could be interesting to know if PowerApps would fit this bill:

    https://web.powerapps.com

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/powerapps/9nblggh5z8f3

It has some very powerful features hard to obtain otherwise but limitation seems to be the coding. But perhaps you can live with that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow
Sendt: 1. september 2016 06:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
Prioritet: H?j

Hi all,
Wondering if any of you know of a web based app that would fill the needs of what an old access app did that I wrote 15+ years ago. The old one is pretty simple in concept but it uses VBA to accomplish  much of the functionality and as A2016 doesn't support that anymore it is starting to break and they want a new one that is web based. It's basically 3 main tables with metadata, linking tables and lookups. 
Person <> Organization and a "Bulk Mail List" which essentially holds person IDs chosen via the first two. Using selected info from any of the three tables data or all, it then produces emails, a faxing list for people without email addresses, labels for people without either (hey, it was from last century) and content reports. There is also some pretty basic event tracking based on events they have people invited/attending which is pretty much based on person IDs being linked to a small event info table. The "Security" was based on metadata held in the main tables.

So rather than reinventing the wheel, if there is something that would fit the bill then we'll just check that out as a replacement.

Here is an outline of what they want now (other than a couple of modern items the access app did all of this):

The following list of functions was identified by staff as critical to the automation of contact lists in a web based Contact Manager (CM):

.Store name, address, phone (multiple), and emails (multiple) per person
o	Optional space for professional title and certifications (P.E. CST,
etc.)
.Store name of group/organization/event with space to type in description
o	Option to store group address
o	Option to store group web page, Twitter, Facebook 
.Ability to link a person to a group/organization/event (one to many) .Ability to assign a person's role in each group/organization/event (one to
one)
.Allow groups and people to be combined (many to one) to form a bulk mailing list .Link to Outlook to allow emailing to lists directly from CM app .Link to Dymo printers to allow printing of mailing labels/name tags from CM app .Export lists to:
o	Outlook folders
o	Excel
o	Constant Contact 
o	Word for mail merges
.Import lists from:
o	Outlook
o	SharePoint (recycling app)
o	Excel
.Produce reports:
o	By last name 
o	By email address
o	By group/organization/event
o	By bulk mailing list
.Allow links from another, existing, web app to allow people in the CM app to be connected to a permit and assigned a role in the permit process
.Security:
o	Records and displays who created all contacts and lists
o	Warn/verify when a list is deleted - double warning if you did not
create the list
.Must be mobile compatible (phone, tablet, etc.)
.Searches:
o	By last name
o	By email address
o	By phone number
o	By group/organization/event
.Ideas:
o	May replace Constant Contact if CM app allows for web subscribing to
mailing lists.
o	Needs to allow links from a SharePoint app, which stores details on
events such as attendance, presenters, location, start times, and other attributes.

Thanks for any suggestions,
John 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep  2 14:15:12 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 13:15:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
In-Reply-To: <028801d2040c$8f6e12c0$ae4a3840$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <893807744.72165116.1472843712403.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

There are a number of CMS, content management systems out there. Of the top, I can think of Magento, Drupal, Joomla and WordPress. There are dozens more, some OS and some proprietary.  

The most popular product of that ilk, by far, is Wordpress, with over 60 millions websites created through its use. There is documentation everywhere, it runs on all platforms, its resultant applications runs on all browsers, it attaches to all major database BEs (MySQL, MS SQL, Oracle, MondoDB and so on and so on and it is free to download everywhere, even from Microsoft: 

https://www.microsoft.com/web/wordpress

If you want a particular application set of features there are dozens of companies that have template ready to use for very inexpensively. ($100 or less)

Here is a link to some of the various framework plugins that will add functionality to input fields and data presentation:

https://wordpress.org/plugins/pods/
 
Jim        

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:51:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things

Hi all,
Wondering if any of you know of a web based app that would fill the needs of
what an old access app did that I wrote 15+ years ago. The old one is pretty
simple in concept but it uses VBA to accomplish  much of the functionality
and as A2016 doesn't support that anymore it is starting to break and they
want a new one that is web based. It's basically 3 main tables with
metadata, linking tables and lookups. 
Person <> Organization and a "Bulk Mail List" which essentially holds person
IDs chosen via the first two. Using selected info from any of the three
tables data or all, it then produces emails, a faxing list for people
without email addresses, labels for people without either (hey, it was from
last century) and content reports. There is also some pretty basic event
tracking based on events they have people invited/attending which is pretty
much based on person IDs being linked to a small event info table. The
"Security" was based on metadata held in the main tables.

So rather than reinventing the wheel, if there is something that would fit
the bill then we'll just check that out as a replacement.

Here is an outline of what they want now (other than a couple of modern
items the access app did all of this):

The following list of functions was identified by staff as critical to the
automation of contact lists in a web based Contact Manager (CM):

.Store name, address, phone (multiple), and emails (multiple) per person
o	Optional space for professional title and certifications (P.E. CST,
etc.)
.Store name of group/organization/event with space to type in description
o	Option to store group address
o	Option to store group web page, Twitter, Facebook 
.Ability to link a person to a group/organization/event (one to many)
.Ability to assign a person's role in each group/organization/event (one to
one)
.Allow groups and people to be combined (many to one) to form a bulk mailing
list
.Link to Outlook to allow emailing to lists directly from CM app
.Link to Dymo printers to allow printing of mailing labels/name tags from CM
app
.Export lists to:
o	Outlook folders
o	Excel
o	Constant Contact 
o	Word for mail merges
.Import lists from:
o	Outlook
o	SharePoint (recycling app)
o	Excel
.Produce reports:
o	By last name 
o	By email address
o	By group/organization/event
o	By bulk mailing list
.Allow links from another, existing, web app to allow people in the CM app
to be connected to a permit and assigned a role in the permit process 
.Security:
o	Records and displays who created all contacts and lists
o	Warn/verify when a list is deleted - double warning if you did not
create the list
.Must be mobile compatible (phone, tablet, etc.)
.Searches:
o	By last name
o	By email address
o	By phone number
o	By group/organization/event
.Ideas:
o	May replace Constant Contact if CM app allows for web subscribing to
mailing lists.
o	Needs to allow links from a SharePoint app, which stores details on
events such as attendance, presenters, location, start times, and other
attributes.

Thanks for any suggestions,
John

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Sep  2 17:26:27 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 01:26:27 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_a_web_based_app_that_does_these_?=
 =?utf-8?q?things?=
In-Reply-To: <028801d2040c$8f6e12c0$ae4a3840$@winhaven.net>
References: <028801d2040c$8f6e12c0$ae4a3840$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1472855187.250417408@f361.i.mail.ru>

Hi John --

Just wondering how do you see the following two requirements:

<<<?.Produce reports:
o By last name?
o By email address
...
>>>>

and


<<<?.Must be mobile compatible (phone, tablet, etc.) >>>

to coexist?

I mean what kind of reports (media files) are expected by these requirements to be compatible for phone, tablet etc.?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

>Thursday, September  1, 2016 7:51 AM +03:00 from "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>:
>
>Hi all,
>Wondering if any of you know of a web based app that would fill the needs of
>what an old access app did that I wrote 15+ years ago. The old one is pretty
>simple in concept but it uses VBA to accomplish  much of the functionality
>and as A2016 doesn't support that anymore it is starting to break and they
>want a new one that is web based. It's basically 3 main tables with
>metadata, linking tables and lookups. 
>Person <> Organization and a "Bulk Mail List" which essentially holds person
>IDs chosen via the first two. Using selected info from any of the three
>tables data or all, it then produces emails, a faxing list for people
>without email addresses, labels for people without either (hey, it was from
>last century) and content reports. There is also some pretty basic event
>tracking based on events they have people invited/attending which is pretty
>much based on person IDs being linked to a small event info table. The
>"Security" was based on metadata held in the main tables.
>
>So rather than reinventing the wheel, if there is something that would fit
>the bill then we'll just check that out as a replacement.
>
>Here is an outline of what they want now (other than a couple of modern
>items the access app did all of this):
>
>The following list of functions was identified by staff as critical to the
>automation of contact lists in a web based Contact Manager (CM):
>
>.Store name, address, phone (multiple), and emails (multiple) per person
>o	Optional space for professional title and certifications (P.E. CST,
>etc.)
>.Store name of group/organization/event with space to type in description
>o	Option to store group address
>o	Option to store group web page, Twitter, Facebook 
>.Ability to link a person to a group/organization/event (one to many)
>.Ability to assign a person's role in each group/organization/event (one to
>one)
>.Allow groups and people to be combined (many to one) to form a bulk mailing
>list
>.Link to Outlook to allow emailing to lists directly from CM app
>.Link to Dymo printers to allow printing of mailing labels/name tags from CM
>app
>.Export lists to:
>o	Outlook folders
>o	Excel
>o	Constant Contact 
>o	Word for mail merges
>.Import lists from:
>o	Outlook
>o	SharePoint (recycling app)
>o	Excel
>.Produce reports:
>o	By last name 
>o	By email address
>o	By group/organization/event
>o	By bulk mailing list
>.Allow links from another, existing, web app to allow people in the CM app
>to be connected to a permit and assigned a role in the permit process 
>.Security:
>o	Records and displays who created all contacts and lists
>o	Warn/verify when a list is deleted - double warning if you did not
>create the list
>.Must be mobile compatible (phone, tablet, etc.)
>.Searches:
>o	By last name
>o	By email address
>o	By phone number
>o	By group/organization/event
>.Ideas:
>o	May replace Constant Contact if CM app allows for web subscribing to
>mailing lists.
>o	Needs to allow links from a SharePoint app, which stores details on
>events such as attendance, presenters, location, start times, and other
>attributes.
>
>Thanks for any suggestions,
>John
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Sep  2 18:14:02 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 02:14:02 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_a_web_based_app_that_does_these_?=
 =?utf-8?q?things?=
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR0601MB2196CB321C34C56D4A295D44CAE50@AM4PR0601MB2196.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM4PR0601MB2196CB321C34C56D4A295D44CAE50@AM4PR0601MB2196.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1472858042.231827905@f165.i.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your note/link on MS power apps. Using MS Edge browser with? https://web.powerapps.com/#/home ?I have also created the sample powerapp from the tutorial you referred and it worked.

I have tried the sample powerapp of my Win10 Phone (Lumia 950) - it failed to show anything more than a blank screen (after proper authentication using my credentials), and neither sample poweapps from MS did work on Win10 Ohone.

Yes, as you noted the powerapps cannot currently be shared with external users but this seems to be a temporary limitation.

The whole powerapps concept seems to be a 'd?j?' vue' one implemented using the modern technologies.
Here it is in historical perspective to decide for oneself is it a "good old dream" finally come true or a "pipe dream" ("Mythical Man-Month, No Silver Bullet, Refired", Part 17 (http://tinyurl.com/jxaopaj)):

1. Year 1975, National CSS, Inc.'s, Nomad: Wikipedia: Nomad software
http://tinyurl.com/zgz2buc
"Tools like Nomad made end-users self-sufficient: If they had discretionary budgets, and could get the necessary raw data from their MIS departments, then they could solve their own information problems. Many users were content to answer seemingly simple aggregate reporting questions that baffled the MIS departments of the day ? like "rank departments by profitability." Other end-users went beyond basic reporting to build large, mission-critical applications, either by learning the necessary skills, or by hiring their own technicians who didn't report through the MIS hierarchy."
2. Year 1981, Martin, James: Application Development Without Programmers. Prentice-Hall, 1981. ISBN 0-13-038943-9. [Reported to include "many fine examples of NOMAD."]
http://tinyurl.com/hbz9ngd
"The number of programmers available per computer is shrinking so fast that most computers in the future must be put to work at least in part without programmers. In this book a wide spectrum of methods is described. Each has its place, and the ability to apply the right approach to each task becomes an essential new DP skill."
3. Year 1992, Borland, ObjectVision
http://tinyurl.com/zzr28mc
"An ObjectVision application is composed by forms designed in a graphic way that contains objects and events to provide interactivity. ObjectVision applications also can interact with databases using multiple engines, like Paradox and dBase. A finished project is saved as an OVD file, that is executed by a interpreted runtime that can be freely distributed."

4. Year 2016, Microsoft Power Apps: Apps that mean business
http://tinyurl.com/z54uazg
"When users and technology connect, problems get solved. Together, create the custom apps that your business needs." Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Friday, September  2, 2016 6:30 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi John et al
>
>I just finished the get-started tutorial here for an app from scratch:
>
>https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/get-started-create-from-blank/
>
>It doesn't take long and it works!
>
>A major limitation seems to be, that the created apps are only accessible from within your organization, thus not for public access, not even invited access.
>
>/gustav
<<< skipped >>>
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep  3 07:58:11 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 12:58:11 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
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Hi Shamil

Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.

Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 3. september 2016 01:14:02
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things

Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your note/link on MS power apps. Using MS Edge browser with  https://web.powerapps.com/#/home  I have also created the sample powerapp from the tutorial you referred and it worked.

I have tried the sample powerapp of my Win10 Phone (Lumia 950) - it failed to show anything more than a blank screen (after proper authentication using my credentials), and neither sample poweapps from MS did work on Win10 Ohone.

Yes, as you noted the powerapps cannot currently be shared with external users but this seems to be a temporary limitation.

The whole powerapps concept seems to be a 'd?j?' vue' one implemented using the modern technologies.
Here it is in historical perspective to decide for oneself is it a "good old dream" finally come true or a "pipe dream" ("Mythical Man-Month, No Silver Bullet, Refired", Part 17 (http://tinyurl.com/jxaopaj)):

1. Year 1975, National CSS, Inc.'s, Nomad: Wikipedia: Nomad software
http://tinyurl.com/zgz2buc
"Tools like Nomad made end-users self-sufficient: If they had discretionary budgets, and could get the necessary raw data from their MIS departments, then they could solve their own information problems. Many users were content to answer seemingly simple aggregate reporting questions that baffled the MIS departments of the day ? like "rank departments by profitability." Other end-users went beyond basic reporting to build large, mission-critical applications, either by learning the necessary skills, or by hiring their own technicians who didn't report through the MIS hierarchy."
2. Year 1981, Martin, James: Application Development Without Programmers. Prentice-Hall, 1981. ISBN 0-13-038943-9. [Reported to include "many fine examples of NOMAD."]
http://tinyurl.com/hbz9ngd
"The number of programmers available per computer is shrinking so fast that most computers in the future must be put to work at least in part without programmers. In this book a wide spectrum of methods is described. Each has its place, and the ability to apply the right approach to each task becomes an essential new DP skill."
3. Year 1992, Borland, ObjectVision
http://tinyurl.com/zzr28mc
"An ObjectVision application is composed by forms designed in a graphic way that contains objects and events to provide interactivity. ObjectVision applications also can interact with databases using multiple engines, like Paradox and dBase. A finished project is saved as an OVD file, that is executed by a interpreted runtime that can be freely distributed."

4. Year 2016, Microsoft Power Apps: Apps that mean business
http://tinyurl.com/z54uazg
"When users and technology connect, problems get solved. Together, create the custom apps that your business needs." Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Friday, September  2, 2016 6:30 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi John et al
>
>I just finished the get-started tutorial here for an app from scratch:
>
>https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/get-started-create-from-blank/
>
>It doesn't take long and it works!
>
>A major limitation seems to be, that the created apps are only accessible from within your organization, thus not for public access, not even invited access.
>
>/gustav
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Sep  4 10:19:27 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 18:19:27 +0300
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Hi Gustav --

I was wrong with my supposition.?It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:? http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p ? ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").

BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:

Entities.json
Header.json
MacroTable.json
Properties.json
PublishInfo.json
Themes.json
-- Shamil

>Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>
>Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>
>/gustav
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>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 17:38:25 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 18:38:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]  dual monitor
Message-ID: <000401d206fd$0d6d86e0$284894a0$@gmail.com>


I'm finally getting around to this -- been so busy I can't breathe but have
some time this weekend. 

Regarding #2 -- the laptop does not have the right connector so I'm going to
need an adaptor -- can you tell me more about this? 

The monitor is a Dell with a VBA cable of course, but the older screw-in
apparatus. The laptop has only usb ports. Do you need more information? 

Susan H. 


1) Be sure the power cord on you external monitor is plugged in and then
turn that monitor on.
2) Plug the video cable from the monitor into the appropriate connector on
your laptop.  If the laptop doesn't have the correct connector then you'll
need to get an adaptor.
3) in Settings, do a search on Change Settings for Multiple Displays.  Leave
text size at 100% for now.  Orientation --> Landscape.  Under Multiple
Displays, select Extend or Duplicate depending on what you want to do (for
Netflix viewing I'm going to guess that Duplicate is the right choice).  If
needed, go to Advanced Display Settings to adjust the resolution for each
monitor.

Above all,
Watch the movie with your grandkids!!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
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Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 16:42
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor

I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
gentle. 

 

Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop. 

 

Where do I start? 

 

Susan H. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  5 13:22:50 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 12:22:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor
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Hi Susan:

There are a number of options that allow USB to VGA connections for multi-monitors.

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=usb+to+vga+cable&tbm=shop
http://bit.ly/2c7cvaT

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:38:25 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech]  dual monitor


I'm finally getting around to this -- been so busy I can't breathe but have
some time this weekend. 

Regarding #2 -- the laptop does not have the right connector so I'm going to
need an adaptor -- can you tell me more about this? 

The monitor is a Dell with a VBA cable of course, but the older screw-in
apparatus. The laptop has only usb ports. Do you need more information? 

Susan H. 


1) Be sure the power cord on you external monitor is plugged in and then
turn that monitor on.
2) Plug the video cable from the monitor into the appropriate connector on
your laptop.  If the laptop doesn't have the correct connector then you'll
need to get an adaptor.
3) in Settings, do a search on Change Settings for Multiple Displays.  Leave
text size at 100% for now.  Orientation --> Landscape.  Under Multiple
Displays, select Extend or Duplicate depending on what you want to do (for
Netflix viewing I'm going to guess that Duplicate is the right choice).  If
needed, go to Advanced Display Settings to adjust the resolution for each
monitor.

Above all,
Watch the movie with your grandkids!!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 16:42
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] dual monitor

I don't do hardware or networking - I'm strictly software, so please be
gentle. 

 

Most of my daily work is on a Windows 10 Dell inspire laptop. I have a large
hd monitor that I'd like to hook up for two things - I want a dual-monitor
setup - I'm tired of switching between windows. Second, I'd like to run
Netflix for the grandkids in the office on the hd monitor using the laptop. 

 

Where do I start? 

 

Susan H. 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep  5 13:39:05 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 18:39:05 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
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Hi Shamil

So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.

No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.

/gustav
________________________________________
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Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things

Hi Gustav --

I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p   ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").

BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:

Entities.json
Header.json
MacroTable.json
Properties.json
PublishInfo.json
Themes.json
-- Shamil

>Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>
>Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>
>/gustav
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Sep  5 14:25:40 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 22:25:40 +0300
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Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's "corporate" thing. And set of .json files constituting a PowerApp package should be possible to "play-back" on any device.

And "corporation" AFAIU (please correct me if I'm wrong) could be even an non-formal(?) group of users sharing an Office 365 subscription?
And this thing seems to be also a "disrupting tool" for App Store concept for the business applications? - They (MS) seems to be quite right about the fact that distributing business applications via App Stores is real PITA especially for the nowadays "agile" way of business applications development when releases are happening very often sometimes even a few times a day...

Have you looked and entities and Common Data Model-related PowerApps tutorials starting from this one

"Understanding entities in the Microsoft Common Data Model"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-intro/ ??

and?

completing with this one 

"Open entity data in Excel"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-interactive-excel/ ?

?

They seems to be teaching Power Users about the entity-relationship model concepts and applications and demonstrate how (easily) real PowerApps entities instances' data can be viewed and manipulated using MS Excel worksheets.

-- Shamil

>Monday, September  5, 2016 9:39 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.
>
>No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.
>
>/gustav
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
>Hi Gustav --
>
>I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").
>
>BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:
>
>Entities.json
>Header.json
>MacroTable.json
>Properties.json
>PublishInfo.json
>Themes.json
>-- Shamil
>
>>Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>>
>>Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>>
>>/gustav
><<< skipped >>>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep  5 15:18:58 2016
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:18:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
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Hi Shamil

True. I had the same thought that you could establish an Office365 "group" for the purpose of hosting one or more specific apps. It should be quite easy and - as usual - easily scalable up or down.

And yes, I did study those links - that's also what I meant with the "powerful features" of PowerApps which I haven't seen elsewhere. It certainly opens up for some scenarios that otherwise will require a vast amount of coding and integration knowledge.

/gustav

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Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sendt: 5. september 2016 21:25:40
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things

Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's "corporate" thing. And set of .json files constituting a PowerApp package should be possible to "play-back" on any device.

And "corporation" AFAIU (please correct me if I'm wrong) could be even an non-formal(?) group of users sharing an Office 365 subscription?
And this thing seems to be also a "disrupting tool" for App Store concept for the business applications? - They (MS) seems to be quite right about the fact that distributing business applications via App Stores is real PITA especially for the nowadays "agile" way of business applications development when releases are happening very often sometimes even a few times a day...

Have you looked and entities and Common Data Model-related PowerApps tutorials starting from this one

"Understanding entities in the Microsoft Common Data Model"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-intro/  ?

and

completing with this one

"Open entity data in Excel"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-interactive-excel/

?

They seems to be teaching Power Users about the entity-relationship model concepts and applications and demonstrate how (easily) real PowerApps entities instances' data can be viewed and manipulated using MS Excel worksheets.

-- Shamil

>Monday, September  5, 2016 9:39 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.
>
>No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.
>
>/gustav
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
>Hi Gustav --
>
>I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").
>
>BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:
>
>Entities.json
>Header.json
>MacroTable.json
>Properties.json
>PublishInfo.json
>Themes.json
>-- Shamil
>
>>Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>>
>>Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>>
>>/gustav
><<< skipped >>>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  5 16:36:06 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:36:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
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Hi All:

As we are discussing web applications and having to create them, it appears that it may be a great opportunity for any who are fully astute in modern web design.

A decade ago, before consideration of multiple platforms (PC, tablets and smartphones), mobility, collaboration, data collection/statistics/analysis and of course security, was someone else's problem, website design was relatively simple and straight-forward. Apparently, that has all changed...according to the ongoing trends. 

Ten years ago, I remember negotiating to upgrade the website for one of the local municipalities. The figures of the contract were around 30 to 40K, non-negotiable. Today, another company has just announced that they have a contract. to the same municipality, also for a complete upgrade. Mind you their contract is more inline with demands of current web technology. The contract value, first set of modules negotiated is $242K and obviously more to follow. A lot of major companies are paying millions to web design developer companies. Take one of our local phone and ISP companies for example, Telus: http://www.telus.com (Millions were and are being spent to keep their sites current and absolutely secure.) 

I believe this is really is the new Royal-Jelly for any bright developers out there...great opportunities and IMHO, this trend will last a good twenty years...and probably many more.          

Jim

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Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:39:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things

Hi Shamil

So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.

No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.

/gustav
________________________________________
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Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things

Hi Gustav --

I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p   ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").

BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:

Entities.json
Header.json
MacroTable.json
Properties.json
PublishInfo.json
Themes.json
-- Shamil

>Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>
>Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>
>/gustav
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Sep  5 17:05:59 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 01:05:59 +0300
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*** not sure if this posting wouldn't be a duplicate - if it would then ignore it***
===

Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's "corporate" thing. And set of .json files constituting a PowerApp package should be possible to "play-back" on any device.

And "corporation" AFAIU (please correct me if I'm wrong) could be even an non-formal(?) group of users sharing an Office 365 subscription?
And this thing seems to be also a "disrupting tool" for App Store concept for the business applications? - They (MS) seems to be quite right about the fact that distributing business applications via App Stores is real PITA especially for the nowadays "agile" way of business applications development when releases are happening very often sometimes even a few times a day...

Have you looked and entities and Common Data Model-related PowerApps tutorials starting from this one

"Understanding entities in the Microsoft Common Data Model"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-intro/ ??

and?

completing with this one?

"Open entity data in Excel"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-interactive-excel/ ?

?

They seems to be teaching Power Users about the entity-relationship model concepts and applications and demonstrate how (easily) real PowerApps entities instances' data can be viewed and manipulated using MS Excel worksheets.

-- Shamil


>Monday, September  5, 2016 9:39 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.
>
>No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.
>
>/gustav
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
>Hi Gustav --
>
>I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").
>
>BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:
>
>Entities.json
>Header.json
>MacroTable.json
>Properties.json
>PublishInfo.json
>Themes.json
>-- Shamil
>
>>Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>>
>>Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>>
>>/gustav
><<< skipped >>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  5 18:14:44 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:14:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
In-Reply-To: <1473113159.416759069@f56.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1117763808.74446252.1473117284789.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

A very interesting concept. It is the same as traditional with data and properties. With relationships and methods are bound to various display models. ie. MS spreadsheets

What is most interesting it the ease at which data can be moved and managed. Will there be a method of programming all this manipulation? Will there be free-form display methods for these entities? From what sources will data be accessible? Is that limited or will it also be free-form?

The best way I can visualize this application is as a highly scalable MS Access using a juju BE to manage data resources. That would not be a bad mashup. 

Of course the next question would be to this applications availability: Is it tightly proprietary and does it only function within a strict MS environment? Or is its to be a universal application?

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 3:05:59 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things

*** not sure if this posting wouldn't be a duplicate - if it would then ignore it***
===

Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's "corporate" thing. And set of .json files constituting a PowerApp package should be possible to "play-back" on any device.

And "corporation" AFAIU (please correct me if I'm wrong) could be even an non-formal(?) group of users sharing an Office 365 subscription?
And this thing seems to be also a "disrupting tool" for App Store concept for the business applications? - They (MS) seems to be quite right about the fact that distributing business applications via App Stores is real PITA especially for the nowadays "agile" way of business applications development when releases are happening very often sometimes even a few times a day...

Have you looked and entities and Common Data Model-related PowerApps tutorials starting from this one

"Understanding entities in the Microsoft Common Data Model"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-intro/ ??

and?

completing with this one?

"Open entity data in Excel"
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/data-platform-interactive-excel/ ?

?

They seems to be teaching Power Users about the entity-relationship model concepts and applications and demonstrate how (easily) real PowerApps entities instances' data can be viewed and manipulated using MS Excel worksheets.

-- Shamil


>Monday, September  5, 2016 9:39 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi Shamil
>
>So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.
>
>No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.
>
>/gustav
>________________________________________
>Fra: dba-Tech < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
>Hi Gustav --
>
>I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").
>
>BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:
>
>Entities.json
>Header.json
>MacroTable.json
>Properties.json
>PublishInfo.json
>Themes.json
>-- Shamil
>
>>Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>>
>>Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>>
>>/gustav
><<< skipped >>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  5 18:28:48 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:28:48 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] IBM Watson Analytics
In-Reply-To: <893807744.72165116.1472843712403.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <2052495411.74457043.1473118128389.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

IBM is offering free to try, their Watson Analytics application.

https://watson.analytics.ibmcloud.com/product?S_PKG=AW&cm_mmc=Search_Google-_-AP+Horizontal+Watson+Analytics-_-WW_CA-_-ibm+watson+analytics_Exact_AW&cm_mmca1=000000WB&cm_mmca2=10000752&mkwid=25ac2c15-e770-4228-b822-7196813d7e2a|510|65350064737

http://bit.ly/2cuQ5yf

No amount of data regardless of its complexity is a limiting factor...according to the sale pitch. If anyone has access to large amounts of complex data and question to have answered, it would be fun to put this product through its paces.

Jim  

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Sep  5 21:43:37 2016
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:43:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
In-Reply-To: <444692695.74377881.1473111366520.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <444692695.74377881.1473111366520.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <7bfa9cec-b6af-bdd4-3c44-5323b483862e@earthlink.net>

On 9/5/2016 16:36, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> As we are discussing web applications and having to create them, it appears that it may be a great opportunity for any who are fully astute in modern web design.
>
> A decade ago, before consideration of multiple platforms (PC, tablets and smartphones), mobility, collaboration, data collection/statistics/analysis and of course security, was someone else's problem, website design was relatively simple and straight-forward. Apparently, that has all changed...according to the ongoing trends.
>
> Ten years ago, I remember negotiating to upgrade the website for one of the local municipalities. The figures of the contract were around 30 to 40K, non-negotiable. Today, another company has just announced that they have a contract. to the same municipality, also for a complete upgrade. Mind you their contract is more inline with demands of current web technology. The contract value, first set of modules negotiated is $242K and obviously more to follow.

Right, a decade ago there weren't hundreds of nontrivially different 
mobile device types to each of which such a webapp needs to learn how to 
adapt seamlessly. And compared with a decade ago, data distribution is 
orders of magnitude more complex, security too. So it's surprising the 
bill for an update grew only sixfold or sevenfold in these ten 
years---that might be a big bargain, or a serious underestimate.

PB

-----

> A lot of major companies are paying millions to web design developer companies. Take one of our local phone and ISP companies for example, Telus: http://www.telus.com (Millions were and are being spent to keep their sites current and absolutely secure.)
>
> I believe this is really is the new Royal-Jelly for any bright developers out there...great opportunities and IMHO, this trend will last a good twenty years...and probably many more.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:39:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
> Hi Shamil
>
> So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.
>
> No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
> Hi Gustav --
>
> I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p   ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").
>
> BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:
>
> Entities.json
> Header.json
> MacroTable.json
> Properties.json
> PublishInfo.json
> Themes.json
> -- Shamil
>
>> Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>>
>> Hi Shamil
>>
>> Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>>
>> Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>>
>> /gustav
> <<< skipped >>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  5 22:27:47 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:27:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
In-Reply-To: <7bfa9cec-b6af-bdd4-3c44-5323b483862e@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <667476189.74574937.1473132467462.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

There is no question that the expectation (and requirements) of our new websites are far beyond what it was a decade ago. We didn't even have the tools that we needed and have today...let alone browsers.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 7:43:37 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things

On 9/5/2016 16:36, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> As we are discussing web applications and having to create them, it appears that it may be a great opportunity for any who are fully astute in modern web design.
>
> A decade ago, before consideration of multiple platforms (PC, tablets and smartphones), mobility, collaboration, data collection/statistics/analysis and of course security, was someone else's problem, website design was relatively simple and straight-forward. Apparently, that has all changed...according to the ongoing trends.
>
> Ten years ago, I remember negotiating to upgrade the website for one of the local municipalities. The figures of the contract were around 30 to 40K, non-negotiable. Today, another company has just announced that they have a contract. to the same municipality, also for a complete upgrade. Mind you their contract is more inline with demands of current web technology. The contract value, first set of modules negotiated is $242K and obviously more to follow.

Right, a decade ago there weren't hundreds of nontrivially different 
mobile device types to each of which such a webapp needs to learn how to 
adapt seamlessly. And compared with a decade ago, data distribution is 
orders of magnitude more complex, security too. So it's surprising the 
bill for an update grew only sixfold or sevenfold in these ten 
years---that might be a big bargain, or a serious underestimate.

PB

-----

> A lot of major companies are paying millions to web design developer companies. Take one of our local phone and ISP companies for example, Telus: http://www.telus.com (Millions were and are being spent to keep their sites current and absolutely secure.)
>
> I believe this is really is the new Royal-Jelly for any bright developers out there...great opportunities and IMHO, this trend will last a good twenty years...and probably many more.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 11:39:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
> Hi Shamil
>
> So it is totally a corporate thing. Oh well.
>
> No, I didn't realise such app is "just a bunch" of json files. Interesting.
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> Sendt: 4. september 2016 17:19:27
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]  Looking for a web based app that does these things
>
> Hi Gustav --
>
> I was wrong with my supposition. It looks like public access to PowerApps isn't planned at all and is contradicting the main purpose/audience of PowerApps. Here is the video:  http://tinyurl.com/z9lyp2p   ('Why Power Apps? with Bill Staples").
>
> BTW, have you tried to investigate what a PowerApp file is? - it' a zip file with a set of PowerApp meta-files:
>
> Entities.json
> Header.json
> MacroTable.json
> Properties.json
> PublishInfo.json
> Themes.json
> -- Shamil
>
>> Saturday, September  3, 2016 3:58 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>>
>> Hi Shamil
>>
>> Yes, it is more or less another approach to "visual programming". I do recall ObjectVision which was very close to this concept, though I never found a serious use for it.
>>
>> Why do you think the missing public access to PowerApps is a temporary limitation? I haven't seen any note on this. But if removed, it will certainly raise the value of these apps.
>>
>> /gustav
> <<< skipped >>>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Sep  6 04:46:58 2016
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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:46:58 +0300
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Friday, June 24, 2016 1:53 PM +03:00 from Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil.salakhetdinov at gmail.com>:
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep  6 09:51:11 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 07:51:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
Message-ID: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>

Dear List:

 

I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they don't
last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how this
one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.

 

Any recommendations?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Sep  6 11:23:44 2016
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:23:44 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>
References: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <20d30e8786b3f048f9cae8c2a5180cdb@imap.plus.net>

Hi Rocky

Most SSD manufacturers have their own software that will monitor the 
SSDs and upgrade the firmware if available. Best thing to do is find out 
the manufacturer and model, and go to their website and look for it. You 
just have to be lucky with the makes & models - the one I have in my 
laptop I can upgrade the firmware with the Windows tool. The one in my 
desktop (which I bought 6 months after) I have to create a boot CD and 
do it from that, and there's a warning that it might lose all my data. 
So I haven't bothered with that one :-)

If it's an SSD that came with the system, then HP (for example) will 
usually carry the firmware updates for it, just like they do with BIOS 
updates etc.


Jon

On 06.09.2016 15:51, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear List:
>
>
>
> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they 
> don't
> last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how 
> this
> one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.
>
>
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep  6 16:44:19 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 15:44:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A major Pixar release
In-Reply-To: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <1047262744.75264724.1473198259076.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

A Pixar Graphics has made a major Open Source release less than a week ago. USD is the most powerful animation generating application ever released to the public. See the following video describing the product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ikzGQW0ys&feature=youtu.be

...and the application can be viewed with help and documentation: 

http://graphics.pixar.com/ 
http://graphics.pixar.com/usd/docs/index.html

and directly via Github: (press button near top right, labeled "Clone or download"

https://github.com/PixarAnimationStudios/USD

The products must be downloaded and compiled. It requires a 64bit system and as much memory as you can throw at it. It has been fully tested on CentOS 7 and RHEL 7 (Redhat Enterprise Linux version 7) but will run on Debian distros like Ubuntu etc. The application libraries and processing dependencies are as follow: (Note all the required Operation Systems, the libraries and other dependencies are Open Source)

C++ compiler GCC 4.8, Clang 3.5, MSVC 14.0(VS 2015)
C compiler GCC 4.8, Clang 3.5, MSVC 14.0(VS 2015)
CMake 2.8.8
Python 2.7.5
Boost 1.55
OpenEXR 	2.2.0
DoubleConversion 1.1.1
Intel TBB 4.3.1
OpenSubdiv 3.0.5
GLEW 1.10.0
OpenImageIO 1.5.11
Ptex 2.0.30
Qt 4.8.0
Pyside 1.2.2

...So before attempting downloading and compiling the above apps should be already installed.

The USB runs fine on Linux but is still experimental on iOS and Windows.

Jim

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 18:25:45 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:25:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>
References: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <5be29595-e303-11e3-8037-c2fd2856f528@gmail.com>

I have heard (can't swear to it) that even if there is a bad spot, the 
SSD internal controller will find it before it is completely 
non-functional, then move the data and mark the spot (sectors) bad.

So if you have a completely full (or very near full) drive, you may 
eventually have a real problem.  If not, then the unused areas will be 
used to hold the moved data if necessary.  I have also read that the 
SSDs have "wear leveling" algorithms which will spread the writes 
around.  Only writes are damaging to the SSDs.

If you think about it, any given cell can be written to about 2000 
times.  Most of a drive is used to store files.  Most files are written 
once and then sit there (unmoving) for the next 10 years. There are 
specific areas that get changed a lot (think an MDB file, or a swap 
file) but they are really few and far between.

One thing you do not want to do is run a defragger though.  Why? The SSD 
does not have to move heads so it is (almost) as fast to read fragments 
spread all over hell as it is to read a nice linear file.  And... the 
defragger reads that file that otherwise would not move for the next 10 
years and moves it intentionally to try and get it in fewer fragments.  
So the defragger causes wear that meant nothing in a rotating disk but 
which means a lot (or more anyway) in an SSD.

I can tell you that I have used SSDs in a raid 6 controller with active 
database usage for many MANY years and never had an issue.

As to your question, I have never seen a program which will "show you" 
wear happening on the SSD.

On 9/6/2016 10:51 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear List:
>
>   
>
> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they don't
> last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how this
> one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.
>
>   
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>   
>
> MTIA
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>   <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>   <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>   
>
>   
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 18:27:10 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:27:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <20d30e8786b3f048f9cae8c2a5180cdb@imap.plus.net>
References: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>
	<20d30e8786b3f048f9cae8c2a5180cdb@imap.plus.net>
Message-ID: <989cd0e8-1c5d-3c5a-28ee-229a22338bc7@gmail.com>

My take is that Rocky wanted to "see" the damage to the SSD caused by 
too many writes in a given area.  I have never seen such a tool.


On 9/6/2016 12:23 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Hi Rocky
>
> Most SSD manufacturers have their own software that will monitor the 
> SSDs and upgrade the firmware if available. Best thing to do is find 
> out the manufacturer and model, and go to their website and look for 
> it. You just have to be lucky with the makes & models - the one I have 
> in my laptop I can upgrade the firmware with the Windows tool. The one 
> in my desktop (which I bought 6 months after) I have to create a boot 
> CD and do it from that, and there's a warning that it might lose all 
> my data. So I haven't bothered with that one :-)
>
> If it's an SSD that came with the system, then HP (for example) will 
> usually carry the firmware updates for it, just like they do with BIOS 
> updates etc.
>
>
> Jon
>
> On 06.09.2016 15:51, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Dear List:
>>
>>
>>
>> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they 
>> don't
>> last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how 
>> this
>> one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>>
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>>
>> Beach Access Software
>>
>> 760-683-5777
>>
>>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>>
>>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep  6 23:46:12 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:46:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <5be29595-e303-11e3-8037-c2fd2856f528@gmail.com>
References: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>
	<5be29595-e303-11e3-8037-c2fd2856f528@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ef01d208c2$c25cb960$47162c20$@bchacc.com>

Thanks for that, John.  Good info.  I'll stop looking. :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 4:26 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; jwcolby at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser

I have heard (can't swear to it) that even if there is a bad spot, the SSD
internal controller will find it before it is completely non-functional,
then move the data and mark the spot (sectors) bad.

So if you have a completely full (or very near full) drive, you may
eventually have a real problem.  If not, then the unused areas will be used
to hold the moved data if necessary.  I have also read that the SSDs have
"wear leveling" algorithms which will spread the writes around.  Only writes
are damaging to the SSDs.

If you think about it, any given cell can be written to about 2000 times.
Most of a drive is used to store files.  Most files are written once and
then sit there (unmoving) for the next 10 years. There are specific areas
that get changed a lot (think an MDB file, or a swap
file) but they are really few and far between.

One thing you do not want to do is run a defragger though.  Why? The SSD
does not have to move heads so it is (almost) as fast to read fragments
spread all over hell as it is to read a nice linear file.  And... the
defragger reads that file that otherwise would not move for the next 10
years and moves it intentionally to try and get it in fewer fragments.  
So the defragger causes wear that meant nothing in a rotating disk but which
means a lot (or more anyway) in an SSD.

I can tell you that I have used SSDs in a raid 6 controller with active
database usage for many MANY years and never had an issue.

As to your question, I have never seen a program which will "show you" 
wear happening on the SSD.

On 9/6/2016 10:51 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear List:
>
>   
>
> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they 
> don't last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to 
> know how this one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to
tie.
>
>   
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>   
>
> MTIA
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>   <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>   <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>   
>
>   
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>

--
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep  6 23:47:21 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:47:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <989cd0e8-1c5d-3c5a-28ee-229a22338bc7@gmail.com>
References: <002601d2084e$1c6702f0$553508d0$@bchacc.com>	<20d30e8786b3f048f9cae8c2a5180cdb@imap.plus.net>
	<989cd0e8-1c5d-3c5a-28ee-229a22338bc7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f001d208c2$ebbf34e0$c33d9ea0$@bchacc.com>

What I was going for was a kind of early warning system that maybe the drive
should be replaced before it craps out.  Like changing you timing belt.  

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 4:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser

My take is that Rocky wanted to "see" the damage to the SSD caused by too
many writes in a given area.  I have never seen such a tool.


On 9/6/2016 12:23 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Hi Rocky
>
> Most SSD manufacturers have their own software that will monitor the 
> SSDs and upgrade the firmware if available. Best thing to do is find 
> out the manufacturer and model, and go to their website and look for 
> it. You just have to be lucky with the makes & models - the one I have 
> in my laptop I can upgrade the firmware with the Windows tool. The one 
> in my desktop (which I bought 6 months after) I have to create a boot 
> CD and do it from that, and there's a warning that it might lose all 
> my data. So I haven't bothered with that one :-)
>
> If it's an SSD that came with the system, then HP (for example) will 
> usually carry the firmware updates for it, just like they do with BIOS 
> updates etc.
>
>
> Jon
>
> On 06.09.2016 15:51, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Dear List:
>>
>>
>>
>> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they 
>> don't
>> last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how 
>> this
>> one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>>
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>>
>> Beach Access Software
>>
>> 760-683-5777
>>
>>  <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>>
>>  <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  8 14:51:33 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 13:51:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Firefox
In-Reply-To: <893807744.72165116.1472843712403.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1646707308.77202382.1473364293469.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

There is a new Firefox browser out that will be coming out this month:

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/02/multi-process-firefox-brings-400-700-improvement-in-responsiveness/
http://tcrn.ch/2bXh6O2

...and is promising a 400 to 700 percent increase in performance.

Jim

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Sep  8 15:16:12 2016
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 20:16:12 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Firefox
In-Reply-To: <1646707308.77202382.1473364293469.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <893807744.72165116.1472843712403.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>,
	<1646707308.77202382.1473364293469.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B7FCF7@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

On the sites I use I could be using version 1 and the experience would still be great. I don't understand all this browser stuff at all. Bit like social media just escapes me.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?08/?09/?2016 20:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Firefox

Hi All:

There is a new Firefox browser out that will be coming out this month:

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/02/multi-process-firefox-brings-400-700-improvement-in-responsiveness/
http://tcrn.ch/2bXh6O2

...and is promising a 400 to 700 percent increase in performance.

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  8 21:48:43 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 20:48:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <5be29595-e303-11e3-8037-c2fd2856f528@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2141211333.77542989.1473389323933.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I believe you are correct...sort of self-healing drives. But as I understand it there is a limit to how much a drive can self-repair...the more expensive the SSD the greater the limit.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 4:25:45 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser

I have heard (can't swear to it) that even if there is a bad spot, the 
SSD internal controller will find it before it is completely 
non-functional, then move the data and mark the spot (sectors) bad.

So if you have a completely full (or very near full) drive, you may 
eventually have a real problem.  If not, then the unused areas will be 
used to hold the moved data if necessary.  I have also read that the 
SSDs have "wear leveling" algorithms which will spread the writes 
around.  Only writes are damaging to the SSDs.

If you think about it, any given cell can be written to about 2000 
times.  Most of a drive is used to store files.  Most files are written 
once and then sit there (unmoving) for the next 10 years. There are 
specific areas that get changed a lot (think an MDB file, or a swap 
file) but they are really few and far between.

One thing you do not want to do is run a defragger though.  Why? The SSD 
does not have to move heads so it is (almost) as fast to read fragments 
spread all over hell as it is to read a nice linear file.  And... the 
defragger reads that file that otherwise would not move for the next 10 
years and moves it intentionally to try and get it in fewer fragments.  
So the defragger causes wear that meant nothing in a rotating disk but 
which means a lot (or more anyway) in an SSD.

I can tell you that I have used SSDs in a raid 6 controller with active 
database usage for many MANY years and never had an issue.

As to your question, I have never seen a program which will "show you" 
wear happening on the SSD.

On 9/6/2016 10:51 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Dear List:
>
>   
>
> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they don't
> last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how this
> one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.
>
>   
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>   
>
> MTIA
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
>   <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>
>   <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>   
>
>   
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> .
>

-- 
John W. Colby

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 22:20:29 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 23:20:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <2141211333.77542989.1473389323933.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <2141211333.77542989.1473389323933.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <aac2e5d4-ec71-a7c1-2d6d-ea9cfa760734@gmail.com>

Jim,

As I repeat I am not an "expert", but your are in a way correct. SSDs 
have a /dedicated/ section of memory (the disk) used for repairing the 
disk, and yes, the more expensive the SSD the larger this section.  Thus 
if the disk is completely full, then the more expensive disk can "self 
repair" longer because of this larger dedicated area.  However, if the 
disk is not completely full, then the controller can simply move data 
out of sectors which are dying into other sectors which are fine and map 
the bad sectors, in the same manner that a rotating disk will do.

As I used in my example, suppose I have an MDB file which gets written 
to a lot, and a huge PDF file which is written once and just sits 
there.  (As I understand it) the controller will figure out that the MDB 
file is "wearing out" the sectors it sits in, and can simply "swap" the 
MDB file with PDF file.  The memory cells that the PDF has been sitting 
in are absolutely brand new, written once.

You can see how this concept can "level" the wear of the disk, even 
without dipping into the dedicated areas used just for such "repair".

SSDs are actually rated in total Terabytes written, and / or Gigabytes / 
day written.  As I visualize it, the disk is essentially "used up" 
(eventually) as the wear leveling algorithms moves high wear files into 
low wear areas.  Modern SSDs are pretty much not going to wear out 
unless you are using them for high transaction databases or something 
like that.  IOW on the desktop they will probably never wear out.

On 9/8/2016 10:48 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I believe you are correct...sort of self-healing drives. But as I understand it there is a limit to how much a drive can self-repair...the more expensive the SSD the greater the limit.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 4:25:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
>
> I have heard (can't swear to it) that even if there is a bad spot, the
> SSD internal controller will find it before it is completely
> non-functional, then move the data and mark the spot (sectors) bad.
>
> So if you have a completely full (or very near full) drive, you may
> eventually have a real problem.  If not, then the unused areas will be
> used to hold the moved data if necessary.  I have also read that the
> SSDs have "wear leveling" algorithms which will spread the writes
> around.  Only writes are damaging to the SSDs.
>
> If you think about it, any given cell can be written to about 2000
> times.  Most of a drive is used to store files.  Most files are written
> once and then sit there (unmoving) for the next 10 years. There are
> specific areas that get changed a lot (think an MDB file, or a swap
> file) but they are really few and far between.
>
> One thing you do not want to do is run a defragger though.  Why? The SSD
> does not have to move heads so it is (almost) as fast to read fragments
> spread all over hell as it is to read a nice linear file.  And... the
> defragger reads that file that otherwise would not move for the next 10
> years and moves it intentionally to try and get it in fewer fragments.
> So the defragger causes wear that meant nothing in a rotating disk but
> which means a lot (or more anyway) in an SSD.
>
> I can tell you that I have used SSDs in a raid 6 controller with active
> database usage for many MANY years and never had an issue.
>
> As to your question, I have never seen a program which will "show you"
> wear happening on the SSD.
>
> On 9/6/2016 10:51 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Dear List:
>>
>>    
>>
>> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they don't
>> last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how this
>> one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>>    
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>>    
>>
>>    
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>>
>> Beach Access Software
>>
>> 760-683-5777
>>
>>    <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>>
>>    <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>
>>    
>>
>>    
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> .
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep  9 13:56:41 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 12:56:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Firefox
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC98B7FCF7@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <69207360.78133991.1473447401818.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

According to what I understand, the new Firefox is apparently taking advantage of the new programming capabilities and hardware.

...The use of true multi-tasking across multiple cores and taking advantage of hardware acceleration both in the CPU and GPU. Things like real-time graphic, sound and even program compression and decompression are allowing far greater performance. 

Of course we will be able to test the various FF version upgrades in the next few months and see if all the hype is really justified. 
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:16:12 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Firefox

On the sites I use I could be using version 1 and the experience would still be great. I don't understand all this browser stuff at all. Bit like social media just escapes me.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?08/?09/?2016 20:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Firefox

Hi All:

There is a new Firefox browser out that will be coming out this month:

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/02/multi-process-firefox-brings-400-700-improvement-in-responsiveness/
http://tcrn.ch/2bXh6O2

...and is promising a 400 to 700 percent increase in performance.

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 10 21:29:05 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:29:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dark web search engines
In-Reply-To: <1047262744.75264724.1473198259076.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1135558795.79125017.1473560945671.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

So what is the dark web other that a series of websites that do not advertise through standard search engines. These sites stretch all the way from those who wish their personal privacy to those who wish to do activities not necessarily sanctioned by the state.

http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/gallery-the-top-dark-web-search-engines/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=22241243458404143049206844906147
http://tek.io/2c6LzaK

Jim  

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 10 22:42:50 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:42:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <aac2e5d4-ec71-a7c1-2d6d-ea9cfa760734@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1039372649.79147280.1473565370922.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Thanks for your experience.

So, all things being equal, SSD drives should last as long as any traditional spinning-rust drive?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:20:29 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser

Jim,

As I repeat I am not an "expert", but your are in a way correct. SSDs 
have a /dedicated/ section of memory (the disk) used for repairing the 
disk, and yes, the more expensive the SSD the larger this section.  Thus 
if the disk is completely full, then the more expensive disk can "self 
repair" longer because of this larger dedicated area.  However, if the 
disk is not completely full, then the controller can simply move data 
out of sectors which are dying into other sectors which are fine and map 
the bad sectors, in the same manner that a rotating disk will do.

As I used in my example, suppose I have an MDB file which gets written 
to a lot, and a huge PDF file which is written once and just sits 
there.  (As I understand it) the controller will figure out that the MDB 
file is "wearing out" the sectors it sits in, and can simply "swap" the 
MDB file with PDF file.  The memory cells that the PDF has been sitting 
in are absolutely brand new, written once.

You can see how this concept can "level" the wear of the disk, even 
without dipping into the dedicated areas used just for such "repair".

SSDs are actually rated in total Terabytes written, and / or Gigabytes / 
day written.  As I visualize it, the disk is essentially "used up" 
(eventually) as the wear leveling algorithms moves high wear files into 
low wear areas.  Modern SSDs are pretty much not going to wear out 
unless you are using them for high transaction databases or something 
like that.  IOW on the desktop they will probably never wear out.

On 9/8/2016 10:48 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I believe you are correct...sort of self-healing drives. But as I understand it there is a limit to how much a drive can self-repair...the more expensive the SSD the greater the limit.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, jwcolby at gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 4:25:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
>
> I have heard (can't swear to it) that even if there is a bad spot, the
> SSD internal controller will find it before it is completely
> non-functional, then move the data and mark the spot (sectors) bad.
>
> So if you have a completely full (or very near full) drive, you may
> eventually have a real problem.  If not, then the unused areas will be
> used to hold the moved data if necessary.  I have also read that the
> SSDs have "wear leveling" algorithms which will spread the writes
> around.  Only writes are damaging to the SSDs.
>
> If you think about it, any given cell can be written to about 2000
> times.  Most of a drive is used to store files.  Most files are written
> once and then sit there (unmoving) for the next 10 years. There are
> specific areas that get changed a lot (think an MDB file, or a swap
> file) but they are really few and far between.
>
> One thing you do not want to do is run a defragger though.  Why? The SSD
> does not have to move heads so it is (almost) as fast to read fragments
> spread all over hell as it is to read a nice linear file.  And... the
> defragger reads that file that otherwise would not move for the next 10
> years and moves it intentionally to try and get it in fewer fragments.
> So the defragger causes wear that meant nothing in a rotating disk but
> which means a lot (or more anyway) in an SSD.
>
> I can tell you that I have used SSDs in a raid 6 controller with active
> database usage for many MANY years and never had an issue.
>
> As to your question, I have never seen a program which will "show you"
> wear happening on the SSD.
>
> On 9/6/2016 10:51 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Dear List:
>>
>>    
>>
>> I upgraded my comp to an SSD about a year ago.  I've hears that they don't
>> last forever and develop bad spots over time. I'm curious to know how this
>> one is doing and to have a tool to monitor it from time to tie.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>>    
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>>    
>>
>>    
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>>
>> Beach Access Software
>>
>> 760-683-5777
>>
>>    <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com
>>
>>    <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>
>>    
>>
>>    
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Sep 12 00:11:27 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:11:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] win.dat file
Message-ID: <003101d20cb4$1dcc4aa0$5964dfe0$@bchacc.com>

Dear Lists:

 

I want to send my wife something in an email - part of a spreadsheet.  So I
take a screen shot using Lightshot, and paste it into the email.  Looks file
here.  But when she receives it in her Gmail, instead of seeing the screen
shot there's a win.dat attachment which can't be opened.

 

Of course I'd like her to see the screen shot.  Is this a Gmail problem?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 12 00:35:59 2016
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:35:59 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file
In-Reply-To: <57D63D5D.6765.9B2915@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <003101d20cb4$1dcc4aa0$5964dfe0$@bchacc.com>,
	<57D63C6F.28574.9786FD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<57D63D5D.6765.9B2915@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <57D63EBF.472.A09178@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Answers posted to the same question on OT:

It's also a good idea on the same screen to change
"Compose messages in this format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> 
> MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by
> default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a thrid
> party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> 
> The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll down
> to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages in Rich
> Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook Rich Text
> Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:30, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> It's also a good idea on the same screen to change
> "Compose messages in this format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"
> 
> On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
> > Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> > 
> > MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by
> > default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a
> > thrid party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> > 
> > The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll
> > down to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages
> > in Rich Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook
> > Rich Text Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> > 
> > -- 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > On 11 Sep 2016 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Lists:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I want to send my wife something in an email - part of a
> > > spreadsheet. So I take a screen shot using Lightshot, and paste it
> > > into the email. Looks file here.  But when she receives it in her
> > > Gmail, instead of seeing the screen shot there's a win.dat
> > > attachment which can't be opened.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of course I'd like her to see the screen shot.  Is this a Gmail
> > > problem?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 12 13:07:45 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:07:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file
In-Reply-To: <57D63EBF.472.A09178@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1214009373.80171369.1473703665248.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Stuart:

I truly thought MS was over that phase in their evolution...apparently not...old ways die hard.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:35:59 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file

Answers posted to the same question on OT:

It's also a good idea on the same screen to change
"Compose messages in this format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> 
> MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by
> default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a thrid
> party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> 
> The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll down
> to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages in Rich
> Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook Rich Text
> Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:30, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> It's also a good idea on the same screen to change
> "Compose messages in this format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"
> 
> On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
> > Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> > 
> > MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by
> > default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a
> > thrid party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> > 
> > The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll
> > down to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages
> > in Rich Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook
> > Rich Text Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> > 
> > -- 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > On 11 Sep 2016 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Lists:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I want to send my wife something in an email - part of a
> > > spreadsheet. So I take a screen shot using Lightshot, and paste it
> > > into the email. Looks file here.  But when she receives it in her
> > > Gmail, instead of seeing the screen shot there's a win.dat
> > > attachment which can't be opened.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of course I'd like her to see the screen shot.  Is this a Gmail
> > > problem?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Sep 12 13:46:55 2016
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:46:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file
In-Reply-To: <1214009373.80171369.1473703665248.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <57D63EBF.472.A09178@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1214009373.80171369.1473703665248.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <03a101d20d26$0e4f1db0$2aed5910$@winhaven.net>

I think the new management just hasn't drilled down this far yet ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:08 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file

Hi Stuart:

I truly thought MS was over that phase in their evolution...apparently
not...old ways die hard.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:35:59 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file

Answers posted to the same question on OT:

It's also a good idea on the same screen to change "Compose messages in this
format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> 
> MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by 
> default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a 
> thrid party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> 
> The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll down 
> to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages in Rich 
> Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook Rich Text 
> Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:30, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> It's also a good idea on the same screen to change
> "Compose messages in this format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"
> 
> On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
> > Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> > 
> > MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by
> > default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a
> > thrid party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> > 
> > The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll
> > down to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages
> > in Rich Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook
> > Rich Text Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> > 
> > -- 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > On 11 Sep 2016 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Lists:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I want to send my wife something in an email - part of a
> > > spreadsheet. So I take a screen shot using Lightshot, and paste it
> > > into the email. Looks file here.  But when she receives it in her
> > > Gmail, instead of seeing the screen shot there's a win.dat
> > > attachment which can't be opened.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of course I'd like her to see the screen shot.  Is this a Gmail
> > > problem?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:30:17 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:30:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <1039372649.79147280.1473565370922.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1039372649.79147280.1473565370922.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <8167e21f-50d5-f156-8bf8-2ebaf4f6ff15@gmail.com>

 >So, all things being equal, SSD drives should last as long as any 
traditional spinning-rust drive?

Yes and no.  In some applications such as high transaction web sites or 
databases they will definitely not last as long, simply because these 
activities write a lot and very often.  But they will provide 10X or 
better speed increases.  I have read about data centers changing out 
their SSDs every 90-180 days because they had so much data written to 
them.  But hey, they still use them because of that blazing speed.

For the desktop, my answer would be yes, as long.

For laptops, my answer would be "probably longer than spinning rust".  
The reason being that moving a disk drive, particularly twisting it 
around the spinning axis is hard on drives.  Think Gyroscope.  Dropping 
disk drives is hard on them.  Neither of these things will even be 
noticed by an SSD since it is after all "solid state".

In fact for my laptops, the spinning drive lasted just long enough to 
order an SSD and install it!  So the SSD already has outlasted that 
spinning disk.

:-)

On 9/10/2016 11:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Thanks for your experience.
>
> So, all things being equal, SSD drives should last as long as any traditional spinning-rust drive?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:20:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
>
> Jim,
>
> As I repeat I am not an "expert", but your are in a way correct. SSDs
> have a /dedicated/ section of memory (the disk) used for repairing the
> disk, and yes, the more expensive the SSD the larger this section.  Thus
> if the disk is completely full, then the more expensive disk can "self
> repair" longer because of this larger dedicated area.  However, if the
> disk is not completely full, then the controller can simply move data
> out of sectors which are dying into other sectors which are fine and map
> the bad sectors, in the same manner that a rotating disk will do.
>
> As I used in my example, suppose I have an MDB file which gets written
> to a lot, and a huge PDF file which is written once and just sits
> there.  (As I understand it) the controller will figure out that the MDB
> file is "wearing out" the sectors it sits in, and can simply "swap" the
> MDB file with PDF file.  The memory cells that the PDF has been sitting
> in are absolutely brand new, written once.
>
> You can see how this concept can "level" the wear of the disk, even
> without dipping into the dedicated areas used just for such "repair".
>
> SSDs are actually rated in total Terabytes written, and / or Gigabytes /
> day written.  As I visualize it, the disk is essentially "used up"
> (eventually) as the wear leveling algorithms moves high wear files into
> low wear areas.  Modern SSDs are pretty much not going to wear out
> unless you are using them for high transaction databases or something
> like that.  IOW on the desktop they will probably never wear out.
>
> On 9/8/2016 10:48 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> I believe you are correct...sort of self-healing drives. But as I understand it there is a limit to how much a drive can self-repair...the more expensive the SSD the greater the limit.
>>
>> Jim
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 12 20:36:04 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:36:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Zimbra upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1047262744.75264724.1473198259076.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <2002372331.80541125.1473730564973.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi all:

For those interested, Zimbra (An Exchange mail server equivalent), there is a new OS release for download and testing.

zimbra-team at zimbra.com

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 12 20:40:31 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:40:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Zimbra upgrade
In-Reply-To: <2002372331.80541125.1473730564973.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <246262301.80544880.1473730831838.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

PS The wrong email address:

http://info.zimbra.com/zimbra-newsletter-september-2016?ecid=ACsprvtUQ_T-9nG9bWaPqWQLApIr5jMR5KhKy1LsqbiE-klFBOn2I_UC17cAiRTyXatWVKDgB9zV&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=34100124&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9sdOetvqBrO8Dz-Vl438GDgsMVurINQSWhrpTAuLvESAHPGxAeRYFQGrVg0k1S2Yqj0zo8-mRl8u_1FLeFAwdh5GTteA&_hsmi=34116801

...or http://bit.ly/2czT1fx

Jim

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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:36:04 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Zimbra upgrade

Hi all:

For those interested, Zimbra (An Exchange mail server equivalent), there is a new OS release for download and testing.

zimbra-team at zimbra.com

Jim 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 12 20:57:44 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:57:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file
In-Reply-To: <03a101d20d26$0e4f1db0$2aed5910$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <942384534.80554552.1473731864367.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:46:55 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file

I think the new management just hasn't drilled down this far yet ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:08 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file

Hi Stuart:

I truly thought MS was over that phase in their evolution...apparently
not...old ways die hard.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "List" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:35:59 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] win.dat file

Answers posted to the same question on OT:

It's also a good idea on the same screen to change "Compose messages in this
format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> 
> MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by 
> default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a 
> thrid party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> 
> The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll down 
> to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages in Rich 
> Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook Rich Text 
> Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 

On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:30, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> It's also a good idea on the same screen to change
> "Compose messages in this format"  from "Rich Text" to " HTML"
> 
> On 12 Sep 2016 at 15:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
> > Nope, it's a problem with Outlook. 
> > 
> > MS still insist on using their proprietary TNEF attachment format by
> > default and nothing other than Outlook can read it without using a
> > thrid party such as Fentun to extract the original.
> > 
> > The simplest way is to go into Outlook - Options - Email , scroll
> > down to Message Format and change the option "When sending messages
> > in Rich Text Format to Internet Recipients" from "Send Using Outlook
> > Rich Text Format" to "Convert to HTML format"
> > 
> > -- 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > On 11 Sep 2016 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Lists:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I want to send my wife something in an email - part of a
> > > spreadsheet. So I take a screen shot using Lightshot, and paste it
> > > into the email. Looks file here.  But when she receives it in her
> > > Gmail, instead of seeing the screen shot there's a win.dat
> > > attachment which can't be opened.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of course I'd like her to see the screen shot.  Is this a Gmail
> > > problem?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 12 21:03:33 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:03:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
In-Reply-To: <8167e21f-50d5-f156-8bf8-2ebaf4f6ff15@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1994971723.80557436.1473732213443.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

That sounds about right. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:30:17 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser

 >So, all things being equal, SSD drives should last as long as any 
traditional spinning-rust drive?

Yes and no.  In some applications such as high transaction web sites or 
databases they will definitely not last as long, simply because these 
activities write a lot and very often.  But they will provide 10X or 
better speed increases.  I have read about data centers changing out 
their SSDs every 90-180 days because they had so much data written to 
them.  But hey, they still use them because of that blazing speed.

For the desktop, my answer would be yes, as long.

For laptops, my answer would be "probably longer than spinning rust".  
The reason being that moving a disk drive, particularly twisting it 
around the spinning axis is hard on drives.  Think Gyroscope.  Dropping 
disk drives is hard on them.  Neither of these things will even be 
noticed by an SSD since it is after all "solid state".

In fact for my laptops, the spinning drive lasted just long enough to 
order an SSD and install it!  So the SSD already has outlasted that 
spinning disk.

:-)

On 9/10/2016 11:42 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Thanks for your experience.
>
> So, all things being equal, SSD drives should last as long as any traditional spinning-rust drive?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:20:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Diagnoser
>
> Jim,
>
> As I repeat I am not an "expert", but your are in a way correct. SSDs
> have a /dedicated/ section of memory (the disk) used for repairing the
> disk, and yes, the more expensive the SSD the larger this section.  Thus
> if the disk is completely full, then the more expensive disk can "self
> repair" longer because of this larger dedicated area.  However, if the
> disk is not completely full, then the controller can simply move data
> out of sectors which are dying into other sectors which are fine and map
> the bad sectors, in the same manner that a rotating disk will do.
>
> As I used in my example, suppose I have an MDB file which gets written
> to a lot, and a huge PDF file which is written once and just sits
> there.  (As I understand it) the controller will figure out that the MDB
> file is "wearing out" the sectors it sits in, and can simply "swap" the
> MDB file with PDF file.  The memory cells that the PDF has been sitting
> in are absolutely brand new, written once.
>
> You can see how this concept can "level" the wear of the disk, even
> without dipping into the dedicated areas used just for such "repair".
>
> SSDs are actually rated in total Terabytes written, and / or Gigabytes /
> day written.  As I visualize it, the disk is essentially "used up"
> (eventually) as the wear leveling algorithms moves high wear files into
> low wear areas.  Modern SSDs are pretty much not going to wear out
> unless you are using them for high transaction databases or something
> like that.  IOW on the desktop they will probably never wear out.
>
> On 9/8/2016 10:48 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> I believe you are correct...sort of self-healing drives. But as I understand it there is a limit to how much a drive can self-repair...the more expensive the SSD the greater the limit.
>>
>> Jim
>>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 19:19:30 2016
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:19:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about VMs
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gWisApyM+HohkWq7bOUkZt8Nv3EqBGUfEYjEEyn+7cUA@mail.gmail.com>

Although I've been using Oracle VirtualBox for years, I confess that I have
very little knowledge as to how this stuff works. It all seems to be inside
out to me. First I have to run Windows or Linux and then run VirtualBox and
then run one of my VMs, and this seems fundamentally backwards to me. As I
see it with these increasing bad eyes, the first thing that should boot is
the VM manager, and then let me select which VM(s) I want to run.

Is there a product that takes that approach? Or if not, why not? What am I
missing here?

It might seem that multi-boot is a if not The solution, but over the years
I have had dozens of problems trying to set up a machine to multi-boot. It
would appear that my principal villain is Grub, which keeps screwing up my
boxes and then I have to devote another weekend to buying flowers, begging,
and replacing her entire wardrobe.

Maybe my problem is that I begin with a Windows box, and then try some
other OSes atop that. Maybe I should just do a White Wedding all over that
box and Start Again, making the Ubuntu installation my Main Squeeze, and
and then seeing if she will allow me to have a few Virtual Mistresses (VMs,
in case you're not following my leaps from metaphor to metaphor).

-- 
Arthur

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 21:25:44 2016
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:25:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about VMs
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gWisApyM+HohkWq7bOUkZt8Nv3EqBGUfEYjEEyn+7cUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gWisApyM+HohkWq7bOUkZt8Nv3EqBGUfEYjEEyn+7cUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbb34ff2-b5e5-3964-f401-8e1a4d947d67@gmail.com>

Arthur,

It is "fundamentally backwards".  It is possible to run a Hypervisor, 
which is a thin layer of software that fields all of the I/O, memory and 
cpu requests from virtual machines and map them to actual (shared) 
hardware.  That is what Windows Hyper-V is.  VMWare has a similar 
setup.  Linux does as well AFAIK.  I have only ever used MS Hyper-V, but 
I have run that for many years.

Just as an example, I run a 6 core AMD processor with 32 gigs of ram.  I 
have Hyper-V installed.  Hyper-v runs an instance of Windows 2008, which 
is essentially just another virtual machine, but that instance is a 
virtual machine controller (kinda).  It is a full on Windows 2008 server 
instance, running on top of Hyper-V and whose primary job is to allow me 
to run tools to manage my "real" virtual machines.  I then have about 8 
virtual machines available, although I only run 6 of them.  All of these 
VMs run Windows 2011, which is Windows Home Server (WHS), which is 
actually a slightly modified Windows 2008.  All of the above are X64 
machines.  I actually installed all of my software and then cloned that 
VM to make the others.  A non-trivial task at least the way I did it.

So the Windows 2008 VM server instance (running on the hypervisor) 
allows me to set up, start, stop, update and so forth all of the virtual 
machines.  It is quite literally a VM Server supervisor.  Understand 
though that the virtual machines do NOT run "inside" of that instance of 
windows, the VMs all run on the hypervisor, which is as close to "bare 
metal" as it is possible to get.  It is just that Windows has magically 
allowed this 2008 instance to "see" and manage the VMs themselves with 
tools that DO run inside of that 2008 instance.

The 2008 VM Server also can and does run an instance of SQL Server.  For 
no particular reason, just because I wanted it to.

Each of my WHS 2011 VMs has up to 4 logical cores, but actually run 2 
logical cores.  Each VM can have as much memory as the physical server 
minus a few gigs, but in fact that would potentially cause extensive 
paging and so I actually limit them to 4 gigs, simply because that is 
all that is needed.  So the memory they are assigned is pretty much real 
memory, but the cores and the rest of the "hardware" of the VM is an 
emulated machine.

Really cool if you think about it.


On 9/13/2016 8:19 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Although I've been using Oracle VirtualBox for years, I confess that I have
> very little knowledge as to how this stuff works. It all seems to be inside
> out to me. First I have to run Windows or Linux and then run VirtualBox and
> then run one of my VMs, and this seems fundamentally backwards to me. As I
> see it with these increasing bad eyes, the first thing that should boot is
> the VM manager, and then let me select which VM(s) I want to run.
>
> Is there a product that takes that approach? Or if not, why not? What am I
> missing here?
>
> It might seem that multi-boot is a if not The solution, but over the years
> I have had dozens of problems trying to set up a machine to multi-boot. It
> would appear that my principal villain is Grub, which keeps screwing up my
> boxes and then I have to devote another weekend to buying flowers, begging,
> and replacing her entire wardrobe.
>
> Maybe my problem is that I begin with a Windows box, and then try some
> other OSes atop that. Maybe I should just do a White Wedding all over that
> box and Start Again, making the Ubuntu installation my Main Squeeze, and
> and then seeing if she will allow me to have a few Virtual Mistresses (VMs,
> in case you're not following my leaps from metaphor to metaphor).
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 14 13:37:24 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:37:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple removes the headphone jack from its iPhone
In-Reply-To: <1047262744.75264724.1473198259076.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1306789129.82053774.1473878244356.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Apple is trying to take control of many businesses that have been able to previously use the Headphone jack. Now if the some company wishes to use the iPhone they will have to pay Apple a service fee. How crafty is that? Companies that are selling the Square (bank card scanner), a digital thermometer, vehicle monitoring software and hundreds of other companies either with products or in the process of building products will have to anti-up to be able to get access to this new proprietary technology. 

IMHO, the part about Apple's announcement, of the removing of the headphone jack, is that they claim that it is brave to advance the technology but it is so obvious that they are lying and are just trying to steal from third-party developers and ultimately their clients.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/never-mind-apple-s-courage-removing-iphone-s-headphone-jack-stinks/
http://bit.ly/2cO1lFF

Solution; don't buy the new Apple iPhone 7 and iPhone 7.b will have a headphone jack.  

Jim   

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Sep 14 14:14:53 2016
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:14:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple removes the headphone jack from its iPhone
In-Reply-To: <1306789129.82053774.1473878244356.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1047262744.75264724.1473198259076.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<1306789129.82053774.1473878244356.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <037601d20ebc$460ccc10$d2266430$@bchacc.com>

This could backfire.

Android has 80% of the market.  If I want to make a product it will be
compatible with Android first.  Then if there's a reasonable profit margin
I'll develop an iOS version. But if Apple raises the cost so my margin falls
below a certain amount, I won't do it.

If enough like me don't do it and the number of Android apps HW & SW
products swings more in favor of Android, some number of new phone buyers
will switch to Android and the problem will be self-reinforcing - a downward
trend for iOS. 

I guess that's one reason why executives are so highly paid.  They have to
make big decisions and take big risks.  And reap the rewards or
consequences.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple removes the headphone jack from its iPhone

Apple is trying to take control of many businesses that have been able to
previously use the Headphone jack. Now if the some company wishes to use the
iPhone they will have to pay Apple a service fee. How crafty is that?
Companies that are selling the Square (bank card scanner), a digital
thermometer, vehicle monitoring software and hundreds of other companies
either with products or in the process of building products will have to
anti-up to be able to get access to this new proprietary technology. 

IMHO, the part about Apple's announcement, of the removing of the headphone
jack, is that they claim that it is brave to advance the technology but it
is so obvious that they are lying and are just trying to steal from
third-party developers and ultimately their clients.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/never-mind-apple-s-courage-removin
g-iphone-s-headphone-jack-stinks/
http://bit.ly/2cO1lFF

Solution; don't buy the new Apple iPhone 7 and iPhone 7.b will have a
headphone jack.  

Jim   
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Sep 26 11:19:37 2016
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:19:37 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Join_the_conversation_with_=23MSIgnite?=
Message-ID: <1474906777.436152053@f243.i.mail.ru>

Hi All --

FYI:? https://ignite.microsoft.com/ ?

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 23:33:54 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:33:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Join the conversation with #MSIgnite
In-Reply-To: <1474906777.436152053@f243.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <856241107.92766288.1474950834443.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Shamil:

It is a good series of lectures. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil via dba-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:19:37 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Join the conversation with #MSIgnite

Hi All --

FYI:? https://ignite.microsoft.com/ ?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 23:37:02 2016
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 22:37:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rspberry PI 3
In-Reply-To: <1474906777.436152053@f243.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1250222065.92767971.1474951022216.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

The following is being presented as a bargain as a complete Raspberry Pi 3 Starter Kit. It looks really nice.

https://shop.itsfoss.com/sales/the-complete-raspberry-pi-3-starter-kit?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5_reasons_why_you_should_use_opensuse_and_other_linux_stories&utm_term=2016-09-25

http://bit.ly/2dvjclJ

Jim

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 05:57:08 2016
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:57:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] HP printer toast after latest Windows 10 update
Message-ID: <004601d21b09$640f36e0$2c2da4a0$@gmail.com>

After applying the latest Windows 10 update, our Dell Book won't connect to
the printer - an older HP Deskjet 2050 series. I've done everything I can
think of including uninstalling and reinstalling the printer. The Dell sees
it and lists it, but when I try to print it says the printer isn't
connected. 

 

HP site is no help. I've done a bit of research and found others with the
same problem. I plan to use a Windows 10 laptop today. I figure if the
laptop connects, I'll know for certain it's a problem with the Book. 

 

Any help/suggestions? 

 

Thanks!

Susan H.