[dba-Tech] Most Brand Name Routers Are Lemons, Claims New Study

Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com
Thu Aug 17 11:07:41 CDT 2017 

Not sure what my neighbors on my side of the street have.  My
neighbors across the street both have Comcast and they do not have any
problem.  It will be winter soon. ;-)

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the room has a door a portable heater might work.  Do any of your
> neighbors have Comcast, do they have the same problem?
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your thoughts Dan.  I'm pretty sure that the room the
>> router is in it NEVER gets above 75. It's in the basement. We are
>> pretty well insulated.  We leave the A/C on almost all of the time
>> with a programmable thermostat cycling it on to cool down in the late
>> afternoon through the night and it gets down to about 70 in that room
>> overnight and stays there or close to it.  There is a digital
>> thermometer 5 feet away from the router with indoor and outdoor temps.
>> I'll try and look at that the next time I am there watching it for
>> when it starts to fail.   We do get warmer on our second floor and the
>> main floor as heat rises and it's more exposed to the afternoon sun.
>> This particular room is shaded by a deck to the west so it doesn't get
>> much if any solar gain.  I'm not sure I can get that room to 80
>> without getting the second floor to 90.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Here's a test if you want to do it.
>> >
>> > On a colder day when the outside temp won't exceed 78F, turn on your
>> home furnace until the temp gets to about 80F and keep it there for a
>> couple of hours.  Does that cause an issue?  Now take the modem and set it
>> on top of one of your air ducts to make sure that it gets warmer than 80F
>> then plug it back in to see if things work.  Most electronics are designed
>> to work at 120F or maybe higher so the modem should be working fine.  If
>> things work under those conditions then a problem outside is much more
>> likely.
>> >
>> > From what you're saying, it's just the outside temp that causes the
>> problem.
>> >
>> > Good Luck!
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> Of Gary Kjos
>> > Sent: August 17, 2017 10:17
>> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Most Brand Name Routers Are Lemons, Claims New
>> Study
>> >
>> > I've got a weird router related thing going on at home. We use the
>> Comcast provided combination Modem/Router.  It's a Cisco Model DPC3941T
>> DOCSIS 3.0 24x4 Wireless Residential Voice Gateway - wireless router -
>> cable mdm - 802.11b/g/n/ac - desktop  But I am pretty sure it's not a
>> router problem.
>> >
>> > Everything works perfectly most of the time.  BUT when the outside temp
>> is over 78 degrees we have no internet connection.  The WIFI Still works
>> and I can get from one machine to another inside the house.  But no
>> Internet available UNTIL the outside temp goes back down below 78 or so.
>> So this has meant that on warmer days we have no internet from about 10:30
>> am until about 7:30 pm. TV still works perfectly during that time and it
>> comes in on the same cable.  PHONE does NOT work during that time.  Comcast
>> wants to come and look at the wiring and I guess I probably need to have
>> them do that.  When it's working I get upwards of 180 MB download and 12 MB
>> uploads so it's very fast.  On days when it's cooler - like today it's only
>> going to be a high of 69, it will work perfectly all day.  I have gotten a
>> new router and it hasn't changed anything.  I think the problem is outside
>> of our house someplace.  Maybe a network switch in a cabinet someplace
>> > in my neighborhood that sits in the sun and is overheating.    I just
>> > don't like having the Comcast guys poking around in my house so I've
>> resisted having them out to do that when I know it will be working again as
>> soon as it cools off outside.  And it should be noted that we run our A/C
>> most of the time when it's warm out.  but it won't normally kick on until
>> about 4 or 5 pm in the afternoon when the sun starts to bake us from the
>> west.  The wiring enters the house on the northeast corner of the house.
>> It's in a shady location protected by shrubbery.  The local cable box that
>> we plug into is also shaded by shrubbery.  It's just goofy.
>> >
>> > Oh and while the internet and phone is not working we still get the
>> caller ID notifications on our televisions that tell us who is calling but
>> the phone doesn't ring.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:37 PM, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> Your trusted home office/small business router is quite likely to be a
>> lemon, according to findings from a new http://resources.sei.cmu.edu/
>> asset_files/SpecialReport/2017_003_001_502618.pdf done by Carnegie Mellon
>> researchers. The study, released this month, found security flaws in all of
>> its test models, all from leading brands.
>> >> The flaws included cross-site request forgery vulnerabilities, default
>> login credentials, vulnerability to DNS spoofing and outdated versions of
>> the embedded Linux utility, BusyBox.
>> >> The researchers analyzed 13 routers from such manufacturers as Apple,
>> Belkin, Huawei, Motorola and Netgear, between 2014 and 2016.
>> >> The researchers said they hoped their study would provide clear metrics
>> about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons effect,
>> which refers to the term for how quality products disappear from a market,
>> driving down prices and value.
>> >> When vulnerabilities were found in products, Carnegie Mellon contacted
>> the manufacturers, giving them 45 days to work on the issues before
>> publicly releasing the details. In general, the vendors were slow to
>> respond, with some not responding at all.
>> >> For example, the study found several issues with Securifi's Almond
>> router, notably that it was vulnerable to clickjacking, cross-site request
>> forgery and, in one older model, didn't deliver firmware updates over HTTPS.
>> >> Securifi said it would release an update within 45 days. Although the
>> company provided an update to the researchers, it failed to announce the
>> update on its website. The vendor did not list the update on its support
>> website or on the router's update interface.
>> >> The sheer volume of vulnerabilities in routers demands a new approach,
>> one that could more tightly monitor router manufacturers and "help form a
>> clearer picture of how different vendors and products measure up," claimed
>> the study, which was funded by the U.S. Department of Defense.
>> >> One solution to router problems is a public database of vulnerabilities
>> that could help clean up the industry, noted the study. Bug reports could
>> be left for open comments, allowing for further validation and providing a
>> clearer picture on how vendors deal with issues.
>> >> "Following widely accepted disclosure practices, a vendor would be
>> given 45 days to respond to vulnerability reports," the study observed.
>> "After the 45 days, the report would be added to a public database."
>> >> Unfortunately, the study did not recommend any router. So, if you're in
>> the market for a new router or simply want to ditch your present lemon,
>> there's not much left to say, other than to read https://www.pcmag.com/
>> article2/0,2817,2398080,00.asp for possible inspiration.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.vipre.com/blog/brand-name-routers-lemons-claims-new-study/
>> >> ?utm_source=email_VSN_Main_List&utm_medium=email%25(internal)&utm_camp
>> >> aign=Newsletter_08162017&utm_content=Brand_Routers
>> >>
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