From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov  8 13:29:34 2017
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:29:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
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Could anyone point me to a tool to determine if a device is compatible with Linux?

I've been trying to load Ubuntu on some old pcs/laptops and am not getting too far. I end up with an Ubuntu logo on the screen and that's it.

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 13:45:20 2017
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 14:45:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
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Here's what PC World says:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2975800/operating-systems/how-to-find-out-if-your-pc-is-compatible-with-linux.html

In a nutshell, just boot to a LIveCD/USB version of Linux. If it
works, then your hardware is compatible. If it doesn't then it may not
be.

B

On 8 November 2017 at 14:29, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Could anyone point me to a tool to determine if a device is compatible with Linux?
>
> I've been trying to load Ubuntu on some old pcs/laptops and am not getting too far. I end up with an Ubuntu logo on the screen and that's it.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Nov  8 13:50:09 2017
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:50:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEo8M2Em76gQwwPRpeX+8PfKsD+wHoTE28ifG0ugUaGLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BY1PR11MB0133007E0F9FA8E1FB6AC62FD8560@BY1PR11MB0133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAAZtbWEo8M2Em76gQwwPRpeX+8PfKsD+wHoTE28ifG0ugUaGLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY1PR11MB0133245DDDA6D7822052AF23D8560@BY1PR11MB0133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

That's what I've been doing. It sucks.

Its an idea for a program to write.

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Bryan Carbonnell<mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com>
Sent: ?11/?8/?2017 1:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

Here's what PC World says:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2975800/operating-systems/how-to-find-out-if-your-pc-is-compatible-with-linux.html

In a nutshell, just boot to a LIveCD/USB version of Linux. If it
works, then your hardware is compatible. If it doesn't then it may not
be.

B

On 8 November 2017 at 14:29, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Could anyone point me to a tool to determine if a device is compatible with Linux?
>
> I've been trying to load Ubuntu on some old pcs/laptops and am not getting too far. I end up with an Ubuntu logo on the screen and that's it.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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shouting "What a great ride!"
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  9 00:07:50 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 23:07:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
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	<CAAZtbWEo8M2Em76gQwwPRpeX+8PfKsD+wHoTE28ifG0ugUaGLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR11MB0133245DDDA6D7822052AF23D8560@BY1PR11MB0133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1929139027.29087148.1510207670839.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Today, there are few computers that are not compatible with Linux. 

Of course some of the brands specifically designed for a particular OS can have issues but if you are in doubt of one or another type of computer and/or one Linux distro just call Mr and Ms Google. Even some of the hardware that is not a hundred percent compatible has patches and fixes, that some bright boy or girl has engineered. 

There are people who have Linux running on Macs, Chrome Books and Windows Surface laptops but some of these installation are not for the faint-of-heart or complete novices. That said, it is far more difficult to find computers that can not run Linux. Dell is designing all their systems to be one hundred percent compatible with Linux systems. Some come preloaded.

There are of course issue with picking the distro OS that is compatible with computer type 32 or 64 bit and some distros no longer create new versions for 32 bit systems.

Bryan recommendation of running a new distro in live mode (off a DVD, USB stick, an ISO on the hard disk or off a PXE server) is a good recommendation. Virtually all Linux distro have the ability to choose between LIVE mode (non-destructive running in memory) and INSTALL mode.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:50:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

That's what I've been doing. It sucks.

Its an idea for a program to write.

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Bryan Carbonnell<mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com>
Sent: ?11/?8/?2017 1:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

Here's what PC World says:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2975800/operating-systems/how-to-find-out-if-your-pc-is-compatible-with-linux.html

In a nutshell, just boot to a LIveCD/USB version of Linux. If it
works, then your hardware is compatible. If it doesn't then it may not
be.

B

On 8 November 2017 at 14:29, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Could anyone point me to a tool to determine if a device is compatible with Linux?
>
> I've been trying to load Ubuntu on some old pcs/laptops and am not getting too far. I end up with an Ubuntu logo on the screen and that's it.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Nov  9 13:48:14 2017
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 19:48:14 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEo8M2Em76gQwwPRpeX+8PfKsD+wHoTE28ifG0ugUaGLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BY1PR11MB0133007E0F9FA8E1FB6AC62FD8560@BY1PR11MB0133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAAZtbWEo8M2Em76gQwwPRpeX+8PfKsD+wHoTE28ifG0ugUaGLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM2PR11MB01449159359BB0BF00DB01D1D8570@DM2PR11MB0144.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

BTW what prompted me to ask is that I ran Mint 18.2 on an old Vista laptop from a dvd and it ran. But it won't install.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 1:45 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

Here's what PC World says:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2975800/operating-systems/how-to-find-out-if-your-pc-is-compatible-with-linux.html

In a nutshell, just boot to a LIveCD/USB version of Linux. If it works, then your hardware is compatible. If it doesn't then it may not be.

B

On 8 November 2017 at 14:29, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Could anyone point me to a tool to determine if a device is compatible with Linux?
>
> I've been trying to load Ubuntu on some old pcs/laptops and am not getting too far. I end up with an Ubuntu logo on the screen and that's it.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!"
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Nov  9 13:53:26 2017
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 19:53:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
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References: <BY1PR11MB0133007E0F9FA8E1FB6AC62FD8560@BY1PR11MB0133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAAZtbWEo8M2Em76gQwwPRpeX+8PfKsD+wHoTE28ifG0ugUaGLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR11MB0133245DDDA6D7822052AF23D8560@BY1PR11MB0133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<1929139027.29087148.1510207670839.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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After all of the promotion that I've seen on this list from certain individuals, I decided that I'd start repurposing old PCs rather than recycling them. I know of so many lower income people that only want to check email, browse the web a bit and play some simple games like solitaire, etc. Now it appears the idea of installing Linux on old PCs for them is a bad idea. I would've thought the Linux community was more advanced than "trial & error" testing. I don't have the time to waste on trial & error testing.

When I look at the hardware compatibility lists I see nothing but an effort to sell higher end computers with Linux.

After following up on this idea, I'm just thoroughly disappointed. Apparently low end Windows PC do have a place in the world after all.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 12:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

Today, there are few computers that are not compatible with Linux. 

Of course some of the brands specifically designed for a particular OS can have issues but if you are in doubt of one or another type of computer and/or one Linux distro just call Mr and Ms Google. Even some of the hardware that is not a hundred percent compatible has patches and fixes, that some bright boy or girl has engineered. 

There are people who have Linux running on Macs, Chrome Books and Windows Surface laptops but some of these installation are not for the faint-of-heart or complete novices. That said, it is far more difficult to find computers that can not run Linux. Dell is designing all their systems to be one hundred percent compatible with Linux systems. Some come preloaded.

There are of course issue with picking the distro OS that is compatible with computer type 32 or 64 bit and some distros no longer create new versions for 32 bit systems.

Bryan recommendation of running a new distro in live mode (off a DVD, USB stick, an ISO on the hard disk or off a PXE server) is a good recommendation. Virtually all Linux distro have the ability to choose between LIVE mode (non-destructive running in memory) and INSTALL mode.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:50:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

That's what I've been doing. It sucks.

Its an idea for a program to write.

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Bryan Carbonnell<mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com>
Sent: ?11/?8/?2017 1:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

Here's what PC World says:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2975800/operating-systems/how-to-find-out-if-your-pc-is-compatible-with-linux.html

In a nutshell, just boot to a LIveCD/USB version of Linux. If it works, then your hardware is compatible. If it doesn't then it may not be.

B

On 8 November 2017 at 14:29, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Could anyone point me to a tool to determine if a device is compatible with Linux?
>
> I've been trying to load Ubuntu on some old pcs/laptops and am not getting too far. I end up with an Ubuntu logo on the screen and that's it.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Nov  9 15:06:53 2017
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 22:06:53 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
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Did you look at Zorin OS:

https://zorinos.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOUNTaVoyY0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

or

http://tinyurl.com/y9h7clpc


System Requirements
CPU	      700 MHz Single Core
RAM	      512 MB
Storage	8 GB
Display	640 ? 480 resolution

Almost like Win10, no "trial & error" testing.

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 20:53
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

After all of the promotion that I've seen on this list from certain individuals, I decided that I'd start repurposing old PCs rather than recycling them. I know of so many lower income people that only want to check email, browse the web a bit and play some simple games like solitaire, etc. Now it appears the idea of installing Linux on old PCs for them is a bad idea. I would've thought the Linux community was more advanced than "trial & error" testing. I don't have the time to waste on trial & error testing.

When I look at the hardware compatibility lists I see nothing but an effort to sell higher end computers with Linux.

After following up on this idea, I'm just thoroughly disappointed. Apparently low end Windows PC do have a place in the world after all.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 12:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

Today, there are few computers that are not compatible with Linux. 

Of course some of the brands specifically designed for a particular OS can have issues but if you are in doubt of one or another type of computer and/or one Linux distro just call Mr and Ms Google. Even some of the hardware that is not a hundred percent compatible has patches and fixes, that some bright boy or girl has engineered. 

There are people who have Linux running on Macs, Chrome Books and Windows Surface laptops but some of these installation are not for the faint-of-heart or complete novices. That said, it is far more difficult to find computers that can not run Linux. Dell is designing all their systems to be one hundred percent compatible with Linux systems. Some come preloaded.

There are of course issue with picking the distro OS that is compatible with computer type 32 or 64 bit and some distros no longer create new versions for 32 bit systems.

Bryan recommendation of running a new distro in live mode (off a DVD, USB stick, an ISO on the hard disk or off a PXE server) is a good recommendation. Virtually all Linux distro have the ability to choose between LIVE mode (non-destructive running in memory) and INSTALL mode.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:50:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

That's what I've been doing. It sucks.

Its an idea for a program to write.

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Bryan Carbonnell<mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com>
Sent: ?11/?8/?2017 1:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

Here's what PC World says:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2975800/operating-systems/how-to-find-out-if-your-pc-is-compatible-with-linux.html

In a nutshell, just boot to a LIveCD/USB version of Linux. If it works, then your hardware is compatible. If it doesn't then it may not be.

B

On 8 November 2017 at 14:29, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Could anyone point me to a tool to determine if a device is compatible with Linux?
>
> I've been trying to load Ubuntu on some old pcs/laptops and am not getting too far. I end up with an Ubuntu logo on the screen and that's it.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  9 23:47:50 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 22:47:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing
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Hi John:

I have re-purposed probably hundreds of machines, install many systems from scratch and have apparently not had the issues that you have experienced with your first major Linux project. It could be that you have the unfortunate experience of discovering a failing machine, a machine with hardware issues or could you possibly have made a small over-sight?

Just like we couldn't get Windows 98 to run on a modern computer or Windows 10 running on a computer older than 2006, you may have to match up your Linux version against the machine's age. One key problem I have found when installing an OS via a DVD, is that if the bootable OS is created on one DVD writer, it may not be compatible with another DVD writer. This issue may also be experienced with various USB keys. (As you know hardware is downward compatible but not necessarily in the reverse order.

Some hardware manufactures have built computers specifically for only certain OS platforms therefore some systems need some BIOS configuring.

As for the Linux OS, I would select the most popular business version of the product, from my personal experience. Ubuntu (built on top of Debian) and one most popular versions, Ubuntu Mate (like the tea). Canonical the company managing the Ubuntu line of distros is most popular when installing the OS on diverse equipment as it has the largest hardware software libraries. (I have it running on computers that were built in 2002, Raspberry PIs, AMD low powered chip sets and so on.) For this reason I will assume you will be using the Ubuntu platform.

You may have to dig back in the library of OS versions if you are using an older model of computer. Ubuntu releases a "long term support" LTS version every April and a development version every October so the latest versions will be prefixed as so 17.04 and 17.10. If you are going to dig back in the Ubuntu libraries for a version more compatible with an older piece of hardware pick version with the x.04 prefix. I would not go back further the 12.04 version. 

To start with, I would view the boot logs from the command prompt. If your computer boots up partially and then apparently stops I would suspect a video driver problem. Many older video cards, have been depreciated by their manufactures and the correct software may only be available from third party libraries. If your Linux computer boots up to a blank screen, you can test this issue by entering the command <Ctrl> + <Alt> + <F1>. If this brings you to a command prompt asking for you to enter the username and password...this will suggest a video driver problem. 

To confirm boot issues show the latest boot log by entering (after logging in):

journalctl -b0 SYSLOG_PID=1 or journalctl -b0 --system _COMM=systemd 

If you want to create a record of the boot log apply a prefix to the command line to write the display to a text file like: > bootlog.txt
Example: journalctl -b0 SYSLOG_PID=1 > bootlog.txt. This text file can then be reviewed off line or/and emailed. ?
??
As there can be so many possible issues, especially with older hardware and some very minor issue can be a show stopper you could send me your boot log along with you computer's specs and maybe I could assist you in your good cause.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:53:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux compatibility testing

After all of the promotion that I've seen on this list from certain individuals, I decided that I'd start repurposing old PCs rather than recycling them. I know of so many lower income people that only want to check email, browse the web a bit and play some simple games like solitaire, etc. Now it appears the idea of installing Linux on old PCs for them is a bad idea. I would've thought the Linux community was more advanced than "trial & error" testing. I don't have the time to waste on trial & error testing.

When I look at the hardware compatibility lists I see nothing but an effort to sell higher end computers with Linux.

After following up on this idea, I'm just thoroughly disappointed. Apparently low end Windows PC do have a place in the world after all.


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 11 15:41:36 2017
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 16:41:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
Message-ID: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>

Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard drive 
failure, for a Win 7 laptop?

My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has 
recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot, 
and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no threats. 
It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent past, it was 
using a VPN to remote into the home office out in Beverly, 
Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in the cloud 
sometime in the last couple years (I think).

I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in the 
home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so they 
uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled all the 
Windows updates.

I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus protection 
on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows Defender 
firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected since the 
company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed that the IT 
guys were still taking care of his protection and updates. Since they 
are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking that just isn't true.

So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. There 
were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked two of 
them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been over 15 
minutes before.

As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, accessing 
web pages is right up to speed.

We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.

I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent 
yesterday evening and some of today doing that.

I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing hard 
drive.

So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I 
should bring to bear on this problem?

Thanks

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com


From fahooper at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 16:01:15 2017
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:01:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <5A07732B.1080200@gmail.com>

I use Spin-rite regularly on my Win 7 desktop; Level 2 (read only) 
quarterly for the SSD and Level 4 for the 2TB HD -- the latter takes 6 
days, so I only run it when I'm going out of town.

It kept my wife's laptop running for an extra 2 years (after it began 
slowing down) by running it quarterly at Level 4.

I doubt it would do harm; I've never heard of it doing so.

Best,
Fred
> Tina N Fields <mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Saturday, November 11, 2017 4:41 PM
> Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard drive 
> failure, for a Win 7 laptop?
>
> My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has 
> recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot, 
> and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no threats. 
> It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent past, it 
> was using a VPN to remote into the home office out in Beverly, 
> Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in the cloud 
> sometime in the last couple years (I think).
>
> I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in 
> the home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so 
> they uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled 
> all the Windows updates.
>
> I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus 
> protection on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows 
> Defender firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected 
> since the company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed 
> that the IT guys were still taking care of his protection and updates. 
> Since they are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking that just 
> isn't true.
>
> So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. 
> There were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked 
> two of them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been 
> over 15 minutes before.
>
> As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, 
> accessing web pages is right up to speed.
>
> We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.
>
> I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent 
> yesterday evening and some of today doing that.
>
> I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing 
> hard drive.
>
> So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I 
> should bring to bear on this problem?
>
> Thanks
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 11 16:12:21 2017
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:12:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <5A07732B.1080200@gmail.com>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
	<5A07732B.1080200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf07e6e7-8126-eaf3-d339-8188240af75d@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Fred. I've been a big fan of Spin-Rite, too, for a long time. 
Just needed to check in with my colleagues in case something has changed 
with that wisdom.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 11/11/2017 5:01 PM, Fred Hooper wrote:
> I use Spin-rite regularly on my Win 7 desktop; Level 2 (read only) 
> quarterly for the SSD and Level 4 for the 2TB HD -- the latter takes 6 
> days, so I only run it when I'm going out of town.
>
> It kept my wife's laptop running for an extra 2 years (after it began 
> slowing down) by running it quarterly at Level 4.
>
> I doubt it would do harm; I've never heard of it doing so.
>
> Best,
> Fred
>> Tina N Fields <mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>> Saturday, November 11, 2017 4:41 PM
>> Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard 
>> drive failure, for a Win 7 laptop?
>>
>> My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has 
>> recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot, 
>> and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no 
>> threats. It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent 
>> past, it was using a VPN to remote into the home office out in 
>> Beverly, Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in 
>> the cloud sometime in the last couple years (I think).
>>
>> I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in 
>> the home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so 
>> they uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled 
>> all the Windows updates.
>>
>> I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus 
>> protection on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows 
>> Defender firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected 
>> since the company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed 
>> that the IT guys were still taking care of his protection and 
>> updates. Since they are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking 
>> that just isn't true.
>>
>> So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. 
>> There were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked 
>> two of them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been 
>> over 15 minutes before.
>>
>> As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, 
>> accessing web pages is right up to speed.
>>
>> We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.
>>
>> I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent 
>> yesterday evening and some of today doing that.
>>
>> I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing 
>> hard drive.
>>
>> So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I 
>> should bring to bear on this problem?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 11 17:13:25 2017
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:13:25 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <e28b46d9-eea1-b541-7b9d-cf3a92defda6@earthlink.net>

On 11/11/2017 15:41, Tina N Fields wrote:
> Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard drive 
> failure, for a Win 7 laptop?

CrystalDiskInfo is free and IMO better

PB

>
> My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has 
> recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot, 
> and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no threats. 
> It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent past, it 
> was using a VPN to remote into the home office out in Beverly, 
> Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in the cloud 
> sometime in the last couple years (I think).
>
> I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in 
> the home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so 
> they uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled 
> all the Windows updates.
>
> I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus 
> protection on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows 
> Defender firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected 
> since the company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed 
> that the IT guys were still taking care of his protection and updates. 
> Since they are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking that just 
> isn't true.
>
> So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. 
> There were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked 
> two of them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been 
> over 15 minutes before.
>
> As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, 
> accessing web pages is right up to speed.
>
> We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.
>
> I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent 
> yesterday evening and some of today doing that.
>
> I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing 
> hard drive.
>
> So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I 
> should bring to bear on this problem?
>
> Thanks
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov 12 02:50:39 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 08:50:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB11292A826DCF4C73CF023F8ACA2A0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Tina

If you regularly can defrag the drive, there is probably nothing wrong with the harddisk.

Make a backup of the user data and reinstall Windows to get rid of all the old stuff - you could even upgrade to Windows 10 to get a speedier machine. And replace the harddisk with an SSD If you wish to spend some good money.

In no normal user scenario Windows Firewall should be left switched off.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina N Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 11. november 2017 22:41:36
Til: Off Topic; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic

Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard drive
failure, for a Win 7 laptop?

My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has
recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot,
and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no threats.
It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent past, it was
using a VPN to remote into the home office out in Beverly,
Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in the cloud
sometime in the last couple years (I think).

I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in the
home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so they
uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled all the
Windows updates.

I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus protection
on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows Defender
firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected since the
company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed that the IT
guys were still taking care of his protection and updates. Since they
are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking that just isn't true.

So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. There
were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked two of
them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been over 15
minutes before.

As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, accessing
web pages is right up to speed.

We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.

I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent
yesterday evening and some of today doing that.

I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing hard
drive.

So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I
should bring to bear on this problem?

Thanks

--
Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

From eptept at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 04:46:42 2017
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 05:46:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB11292A826DCF4C73CF023F8ACA2A0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB11292A826DCF4C73CF023F8ACA2A0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWrcMqXD53Qeiu2j7rV-eJZUOWXYt1YSrNu9T6kryfRMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not knowing much of what these knowledgeable folks are suggesting, as a
light weight, I would back up everything you can and shop for a new
machine...Prices are good now and will get better as the Holiday approaches.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 3:50 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Tina
>
> If you regularly can defrag the drive, there is probably nothing wrong
> with the harddisk.
>
> Make a backup of the user data and reinstall Windows to get rid of all the
> old stuff - you could even upgrade to Windows 10 to get a speedier machine.
> And replace the harddisk with an SSD If you wish to spend some good money.
>
> In no normal user scenario Windows Firewall should be left switched off.
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina N
> Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 11. november 2017 22:41:36
> Til: Off Topic; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
>
> Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard drive
> failure, for a Win 7 laptop?
>
> My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has
> recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot,
> and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no threats.
> It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent past, it was
> using a VPN to remote into the home office out in Beverly,
> Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in the cloud
> sometime in the last couple years (I think).
>
> I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in the
> home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so they
> uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled all the
> Windows updates.
>
> I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus protection
> on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows Defender
> firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected since the
> company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed that the IT
> guys were still taking care of his protection and updates. Since they
> are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking that just isn't true.
>
> So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. There
> were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked two of
> them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been over 15
> minutes before.
>
> As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, accessing
> web pages is right up to speed.
>
> We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.
>
> I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent
> yesterday evening and some of today doing that.
>
> I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing hard
> drive.
>
> So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I
> should bring to bear on this problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> 231-322-2787
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Nov 12 10:59:44 2017
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 11:59:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <e28b46d9-eea1-b541-7b9d-cf3a92defda6@earthlink.net>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
	<e28b46d9-eea1-b541-7b9d-cf3a92defda6@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e88de9ef-7153-9980-d54a-5c3d669a0c49@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Peter,

I am downloading that now.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 11/11/2017 6:13 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
> On 11/11/2017 15:41, Tina N Fields wrote:
>> Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard 
>> drive failure, for a Win 7 laptop?
>
> CrystalDiskInfo is free and IMO better
>
> PB
>
>>
>> My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has 
>> recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot, 
>> and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no 
>> threats. It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent 
>> past, it was using a VPN to remote into the home office out in 
>> Beverly, Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in 
>> the cloud sometime in the last couple years (I think).
>>
>> I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in 
>> the home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so 
>> they uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled 
>> all the Windows updates.
>>
>> I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus 
>> protection on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows 
>> Defender firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected 
>> since the company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed 
>> that the IT guys were still taking care of his protection and 
>> updates. Since they are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking 
>> that just isn't true.
>>
>> So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. 
>> There were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked 
>> two of them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been 
>> over 15 minutes before.
>>
>> As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, 
>> accessing web pages is right up to speed.
>>
>> We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.
>>
>> I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent 
>> yesterday evening and some of today doing that.
>>
>> I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing 
>> hard drive.
>>
>> So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I 
>> should bring to bear on this problem?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Nov 12 11:08:39 2017
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:08:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB11292A826DCF4C73CF023F8ACA2A0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB11292A826DCF4C73CF023F8ACA2A0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <9bb6a517-7504-82af-1f4a-2c074b08e4fb@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Gustav, that was what I expected with regard to Windows Firewall.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 11/12/2017 3:50 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Tina
>
> If you regularly can defrag the drive, there is probably nothing wrong with the harddisk.
>
> Make a backup of the user data and reinstall Windows to get rid of all the old stuff - you could even upgrade to Windows 10 to get a speedier machine. And replace the harddisk with an SSD If you wish to spend some good money.
>
> In no normal user scenario Windows Firewall should be left switched off.
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina N Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 11. november 2017 22:41:36
> Til: Off Topic; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
>
> Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard drive
> failure, for a Win 7 laptop?
>
> My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has
> recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot,
> and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no threats.
> It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent past, it was
> using a VPN to remote into the home office out in Beverly,
> Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in the cloud
> sometime in the last couple years (I think).
>
> I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in the
> home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so they
> uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled all the
> Windows updates.
>
> I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus protection
> on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows Defender
> firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected since the
> company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed that the IT
> guys were still taking care of his protection and updates. Since they
> are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking that just isn't true.
>
> So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. There
> were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked two of
> them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been over 15
> minutes before.
>
> As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, accessing
> web pages is right up to speed.
>
> We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.
>
> I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent
> yesterday evening and some of today doing that.
>
> I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing hard
> drive.
>
> So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I
> should bring to bear on this problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> 231-322-2787
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Nov 12 11:09:14 2017
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:09:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpWrcMqXD53Qeiu2j7rV-eJZUOWXYt1YSrNu9T6kryfRMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3528615e-59fd-f20d-14c2-56a99d4ab852@torchlake.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB11292A826DCF4C73CF023F8ACA2A0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAEkqQpWrcMqXD53Qeiu2j7rV-eJZUOWXYt1YSrNu9T6kryfRMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <597f8f8e-30b9-5bdb-b719-fa871ce0f1ed@torchlake.com>

Hi Ed,

That's one of the strong possibilities. Thanks,

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 11/12/2017 5:46 AM, Ed Tesiny wrote:
> Not knowing much of what these knowledgeable folks are suggesting, as a
> light weight, I would back up everything you can and shop for a new
> machine...Prices are good now and will get better as the Holiday approaches.
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 3:50 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tina
>>
>> If you regularly can defrag the drive, there is probably nothing wrong
>> with the harddisk.
>>
>> Make a backup of the user data and reinstall Windows to get rid of all the
>> old stuff - you could even upgrade to Windows 10 to get a speedier machine.
>> And replace the harddisk with an SSD If you wish to spend some good money.
>>
>> In no normal user scenario Windows Firewall should be left switched off.
>>
>> /gustav
>> ________________________________________
>> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina N
>> Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>> Sendt: 11. november 2017 22:41:36
>> Til: Off Topic; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> Emne: [dba-Tech] hard drive failure - maybe - diagnostic
>>
>> Is Spin-rite still a good tool to use to diagnose potential hard drive
>> failure, for a Win 7 laptop?
>>
>> My son-in-law has a Win 7 Dell Vostro 3500, vintage 2010. It has
>> recently become extremely slow, taking upwards of 10 minutes to boot,
>> and over 5 minutes to launch programs. Malware-bytes finds no threats.
>> It's been routinely defragged. Until sometime in the recent past, it was
>> using a VPN to remote into the home office out in Beverly,
>> Massachusetts. The company switched to putting everything in the cloud
>> sometime in the last couple years (I think).
>>
>> I had installed Vipre on it from my subscription, but the IT guys in the
>> home office wanted everyone to have the same anti-virus tool, so they
>> uninstalled Vipre and installed their AVG. They also controlled all the
>> Windows updates.
>>
>> I looked at this computer yesterday, and found no anti-virus protection
>> on it, the Windows update feature disabled, and Windows Defender
>> firewall off. I think this box has been left unprotected since the
>> company put everything in the cloud. My son-in-law believed that the IT
>> guys were still taking care of his protection and updates. Since they
>> are no longer connected via VPN, I'm thinking that just isn't true.
>>
>> So, I looked through the processes running and the start-up items. There
>> were three identical Intel entries in the start-up; I unchecked two of
>> them, which did speed up the boot process a bit. It had been over 15
>> minutes before.
>>
>> As slow as it is to launch a browser, once the browser is up, accessing
>> web pages is right up to speed.
>>
>> We did download and run Malware-Bytes, which found no threats.
>>
>> I discovered he didn't have a recent backup of his data, so, he spent
>> yesterday evening and some of today doing that.
>>
>> I'm noodling away on this and wondering if the problem is a failing hard
>> drive.
>>
>> So, any other thoughts? And is there any other diagnostic software I
>> should bring to bear on this problem?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> 231-322-2787
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 15 21:34:25 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:34:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox broke my FTP!
In-Reply-To: <4af22882-b47e-a5a2-ceff-3da96921e149@torchlake.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1860E54C522AB8484CB8F77D93290@BN6PR15MB1860.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4af22882-b47e-a5a2-ceff-3da96921e149@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Aaaaaah!

Firefox 57 doesn't support FireFTP!

FireFTP is my standard tool for maintaining websites  :(

>From the FireFTP site:

"After 13 years, Firefox has officially removed FireFTP and FireSSH support from the 
browser.  Thus, I've ended support / development of the addons.
I recommend switching to Waterfox to continue using the addons."

Recommendations? 



From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Nov 16 07:30:34 2017
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:30:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox broke my FTP!
In-Reply-To: <5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <BN6PR15MB1860E54C522AB8484CB8F77D93290@BN6PR15MB1860.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4af22882-b47e-a5a2-ceff-3da96921e149@torchlake.com>
	<5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CY4P11501MB00393047FC7AA602407237139C2E0@CY4P11501MB0039.NAMP115.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

FileZilla. https://filezilla-project.org/

Available in standard and portable editions.

Lambert? 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:34 PM
To: Off Topic; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox broke my FTP!

Aaaaaah!

Firefox 57 doesn't support FireFTP!

FireFTP is my standard tool for maintaining websites  :(

>From the FireFTP site:

"After 13 years, Firefox has officially removed FireFTP and FireSSH support from the browser.  Thus, I've ended support / development of the addons.
I recommend switching to Waterfox to continue using the addons."

Recommendations? 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 16 20:08:18 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:08:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype is great
In-Reply-To: <44604559.522219041.1508300556559.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129F9F2C7E642783A3CA17DCAB10@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1774648161.429671358.1504844372708.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<633366520.459721693.1506042449388.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1383535366.461686701.1506114867933.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<626951468.506575893.1507751280494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<816911481.519224918.1508206390537.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1459739164.521315390.1508273722669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<44604559.522219041.1508300556559.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <232196173.51323771.1510884498661.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Skype is a very good messenger product. The latest version has all sorts of features as well as looking very clean and very sharp. 

What I did discover, that the latest version is that it is an Electron app. The beauty of Electron apps is that once the code is created, it can then be published on every platform. The downside is that it is slow, especially if you have not updated your hardware to latest products. On the internet, many people have been recommending that you move to the Skype version that was originally published on Windows 7, until performance improves. I have been running the latest Skype version on my computers and I do notice an occasional drop in video and messaging...that is good enough for me but I don't use Skype that much, as it tend to suck a bit if it is run over a wifi connection. From a relatively new 64bit box with 8GB of RAM, on a one GB NIC, with a cat-5 cable connected directly to the Router, I have never had any issues. (Besides, I tend to like the industry standard communication application like Slack (https://slack.com/)) 

I have been keeping open to a possible replacement for Skype messaging and it looks like Signal has answered that request.
https://signal.org/blog/standalone-signal-desktop/
http://bit.ly/2zPSgYW

Signal is a standalone app with support for all the following platforms:

Windows 64-bit: 7, 8, 8.1 and 10
MacOS 10.9 and above
Linux distributions supporting APT, like Ubuntu or Debian

...and has all the following features. Privacy is possible. Signal makes it easy:

* Say Anything - Send high-quality group, text, picture, and video messages.
* Be Yourself - Signal uses your existing phone number and address book. There are no separate logins, usernames, or PINs to manage or lose.
* Stay Private - We can't read your messages, and no one else can either. No exceptions. Everything in Signal is always end-to-end encrypted and painstakingly engineered in order to keep your communication safe.
* Pay Nothing - Signal is supported by a team of dedicated developers, community donations, and grants. There are no advertisements, and it doesn't cost anything to use.
* View Source - All of our code is free, open, and available on GitHub (https://github.com/WhisperSystems).
* Join Movements - Technology developed by Open Whisper Systems is trusted and used by millions of people around the world every day.
* Include Everyone - Signal Desktop can message anyone on Signal.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/signal-private-messenger/bikioccmkafdpakkkcpdbppfkghcmihk?hl=en
http://bit.ly/2yPYEy1

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 16 22:11:11 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:11:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox broke my FTP!
In-Reply-To: <5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <BN6PR15MB1860E54C522AB8484CB8F77D93290@BN6PR15MB1860.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<4af22882-b47e-a5a2-ceff-3da96921e149@torchlake.com>
	<5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1779853061.51583559.1510891871913.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I have been using other applications than Firefox for FTP and SFTP; FileZilla. Now that I know that these two great addons, are gone, it is disappointing. FireSSH, if it has a nice interface could have been good to work with. I tend to be old school when it comes to SSH and have just been keying it in at the command prompt...never found a GUI command editor I like. 

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:34:25 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox broke my FTP!

Aaaaaah!

Firefox 57 doesn't support FireFTP!

FireFTP is my standard tool for maintaining websites  :(

>From the FireFTP site:

"After 13 years, Firefox has officially removed FireFTP and FireSSH support from the 
browser.  Thus, I've ended support / development of the addons.
I recommend switching to Waterfox to continue using the addons."

Recommendations? 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 22 13:24:08 2017
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:24:08 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Threat has been detected
Message-ID: <020801d363c7$785fc3a0$691f4ae0$@bchacc.com>

I am getting a message intermittently from Avast: a verbal - ding-ding-don
'A threat has been detected', and the message: Threat secured. We've safely
aborted connection on www.searchnet.com because it was infected with
HTML:RedirME-Inf[TR]].

 

Is this a real threat, a false positive? I can't find any reference to
searchnet on my comp.  So I don't know where this is coming from.

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 22 18:16:58 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:16:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Firefox broke my FTP!
In-Reply-To: <5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <BN6PR15MB1860E54C522AB8484CB8F77D93290@BN6PR15MB1860.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4af22882-b47e-a5a2-ceff-3da96921e149@torchlake.com>,
	<5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5A16137A.31687.1485E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Double Aaaaaah!

Just found out that I've also lost SQLite Manager with the update.  :(

"This extension depended upon the interface to sqlite engine embedded in Firefox. As the 
interface has been removed in Firefox 57, this extension no longer functions."


That's two tools I use frequently in Firefox gone.


On 16 Nov 2017 at 13:34, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Aaaaaah!
> 
> Firefox 57 doesn't support FireFTP!
> 
> FireFTP is my standard tool for maintaining websites  :(
> 
> From the FireFTP site:
> 
> "After 13 years, Firefox has officially removed FireFTP and FireSSH
> support from the browser.  Thus, I've ended support / development of
> the addons. I recommend switching to Waterfox to continue using the
> addons."
> 
> Recommendations? 
> 
> 
> 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 23 02:26:52 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:26:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Threat has been detected
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1129165AFED9C8010F758400CA210@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Rocky

That site is bad. 
Secure DNS didn't block it, but I asked CSIS to double-check:

<quote>
Hi Gustav

The site appears to be related to a Browser Hijacker and rogue search engine. In my testing, I got redirected to another domain (live-winners.com) which we are already blocking. I have now also added searchnet.com to our blocked domain and it should soon take effect. Thanks for the heads up.

Mvh. / Kind Regards

Emil Jeppesen
CSIS Security Group
</quote>

For corporate usage indeed, I can recommend Secure DNS:

https://www.csis.dk/prevent-secure-dns/

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 22. november 2017 20:24
Til: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Threat has been detected

I am getting a message intermittently from Avast: a verbal - ding-ding-don 'A threat has been detected', and the message: Threat secured. We've safely aborted connection on www.searchnet.com because it was infected with HTML:RedirME-Inf[TR]].

Is this a real threat, a false positive? I can't find any reference to searchnet on my comp.  So I don't know where this is coming from.
 
Any ideas?

TIA

Rocky 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov 23 09:22:49 2017
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:22:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to Recover from a Windows 10 Crash
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j8jtuJ2SJfS9_M1aVcwOviBqePSx=MHCpyfrwbaZ2CzQ@mail.gmail.com>

I hope it never happens to you, but in case it does, How to Recover from a
Windows 10 Crash
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/recover-from-windows-explorer-crash/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23112017>.may
prove useful. Best you capture the text now, because if it does happen you
won't be able to get to the article.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 23 13:59:05 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 12:59:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Firefox broke my FTP!
In-Reply-To: <5A16137A.31687.1485E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <BN6PR15MB1860E54C522AB8484CB8F77D93290@BN6PR15MB1860.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<4af22882-b47e-a5a2-ceff-3da96921e149@torchlake.com>
	<5A0D0741.14636.65F54D8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<5A16137A.31687.1485E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <733327338.70744142.1511467145244.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

This is terrible. 

Firefox warned that many plugins would become unresponsive. Three years ago FF said that an upgrade was coming that would deprecate a number of third party products and as usual few developers listened. I am sure, if there is sufficient demand the fixed plugins will reappear. 

Working with Linux (and Windows for that matter) with each major release, major carnage follows. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:16:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Firefox broke my FTP!

Double Aaaaaah!

Just found out that I've also lost SQLite Manager with the update.  :(

"This extension depended upon the interface to sqlite engine embedded in Firefox. As the 
interface has been removed in Firefox 57, this extension no longer functions."


That's two tools I use frequently in Firefox gone.


On 16 Nov 2017 at 13:34, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Aaaaaah!
> 
> Firefox 57 doesn't support FireFTP!
> 
> FireFTP is my standard tool for maintaining websites  :(
> 
> From the FireFTP site:
> 
> "After 13 years, Firefox has officially removed FireFTP and FireSSH
> support from the browser.  Thus, I've ended support / development of
> the addons. I recommend switching to Waterfox to continue using the
> addons."
> 
> Recommendations? 
> 
> 
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 23 16:20:23 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:20:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to Recover from a Windows 10 Crash
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j8jtuJ2SJfS9_M1aVcwOviBqePSx=MHCpyfrwbaZ2CzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j8jtuJ2SJfS9_M1aVcwOviBqePSx=MHCpyfrwbaZ2CzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1259216111.71147412.1511475623603.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

>From the latest Debian or any Debian Linux distro; ie. Ubuntu 17.10; in the unlikely event that the desktop is misbehaving or not even there, from the command prompt, <Alt> + <Ctrl> + <F1>, enter: "dconf reset -f /"

Aside: Ubuntu has the capability of running multiple desktops and configuration, for multiple people, simultaneously and one of the latest desktop combinations in the wrong circumstances can be unstable and may result in a reset.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:22:49 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to Recover from a Windows 10 Crash

I hope it never happens to you, but in case it does, How to Recover from a
Windows 10 Crash
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/recover-from-windows-explorer-crash/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23112017>.may
prove useful. Best you capture the text now, because if it does happen you
won't be able to get to the article.
F
-- 
Arthur
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