From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  4 14:18:36 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:18:36 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] so long edge browser
Message-ID: <dfec2c0f-a07d-7457-ca47-4dddb94249d7@earthlink.net>

"Microsoft Edge has failed to capture the public?s attention since 
launching back in 2015, so you can?t really blame the company for 
switching tacks. According to new reports that first surfaced inWindows 
Central 
<https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10>, 
the browser isn?t not /[sic]/ long for this world. Microsoft could 
announce its replacement as early as this week." -- 
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/04/microsoft-is-reportedly-replacing-edge-with-a-chromium-based-browser/

Failed to capture attention LOL. It warn't much good.

PB

<https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/04/microsoft-is-reportedly-replacing-edge-with-a-chromium-based-browser/>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  4 17:36:42 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:36:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] so long edge browser
In-Reply-To: <dfec2c0f-a07d-7457-ca47-4dddb94249d7@earthlink.net>
References: <dfec2c0f-a07d-7457-ca47-4dddb94249d7@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <897409518.406926480.1543966602358.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

I do not know how good or bad the browser is/was as I never used it. Apparently I was not the only one.

Now if they can just get rid of that email client... ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:18:36 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] so long edge browser

"Microsoft Edge has failed to capture the public?s attention since 
launching back in 2015, so you can?t really blame the company for 
switching tacks. According to new reports that first surfaced inWindows 
Central 
<https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10>, 
the browser isn?t not /[sic]/ long for this world. Microsoft could 
announce its replacement as early as this week." -- 
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/04/microsoft-is-reportedly-replacing-edge-with-a-chromium-based-browser/

Failed to capture attention LOL. It warn't much good.

PB

<https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/04/microsoft-is-reportedly-replacing-edge-with-a-chromium-based-browser/>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  4 17:42:41 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:42:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] so long edge browser
In-Reply-To: <dfec2c0f-a07d-7457-ca47-4dddb94249d7@earthlink.net>
References: <dfec2c0f-a07d-7457-ca47-4dddb94249d7@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6226654.406962643.1543966961392.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Welcome to the new browser, Blink.

https://www.chromium.org/blink
If it is open source, any crapware can be removed in the subsequent forked version called Blink2 ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:18:36 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] so long edge browser

"Microsoft Edge has failed to capture the public?s attention since 
launching back in 2015, so you can?t really blame the company for 
switching tacks. According to new reports that first surfaced inWindows 
Central 
<https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10>, 
the browser isn?t not /[sic]/ long for this world. Microsoft could 
announce its replacement as early as this week." -- 
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/04/microsoft-is-reportedly-replacing-edge-with-a-chromium-based-browser/

Failed to capture attention LOL. It warn't much good.

PB

<https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/04/microsoft-is-reportedly-replacing-edge-with-a-chromium-based-browser/>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec  7 01:55:51 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 00:55:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] For iOS
In-Reply-To: <26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <346860130.423820343.1544169351089.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

There is now a Linux shell for iOS (Apple) computers:

https://ish.app/

...and install the shell source:

https://github.com/tbodt/ish

...and further commentary:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/linux/ish-an-ios-linux-shell-for-your-iphone-or-ipad/
http://bit.ly/2BUzPVA

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec  7 21:41:28 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 20:41:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] KiCad
In-Reply-To: <26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <803853087.430109598.1544240488338.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

KiCad, an open-source PCB layout software suite used by hobbyists and professionals alike:

https://maker.pro/custom/tutorial/introduction-to-kicads-electronic-design-automation-software-suite
http://bit.ly/2B0My7w

Download: http://kicad-pcb.org/

While KiCad does not come with an autorouter there is a free autorouter available that does a surprisingly good job:

https://github.com/nikropht/FreeRouting
 
Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec  7 22:26:31 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 21:26:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] More fun with your Raspberry PI
In-Reply-To: <26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1814554694.430309064.1544243191961.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Considering the price, it is amazing what you can do with your PI. Here is something fun...After installing Visual Studio, on the mini computer, why not add  open Framework. A great low resource IDE. Start with Visual Studio:

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/thank-you-downloading-visual-studio/?sku=Community&rel=15
http://bit.ly/2G6fIIn

For QuickTime or MP4 video file support, you'll also need to install the video codecs. The K-Lite Codec Pack is recommended; it's free and provides comprehensive support for a wide range of video formats:

https://filehippo.com/download_klite_codec_pack/67445/
http://bit.ly/2BWVcpc

And finally install OpenFramework:
 
https://maker.pro/custom/tutorial/how-to-install-openframeworks-for-microsoft-visual-studio
http://bit.ly/2rrSbqV

Jim 

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Dec 13 08:17:00 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:17:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true
Message-ID: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>


It's Rocky's birthday week! Happy Birthday Week Rocky! 

Susan H. 


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Dec 13 08:22:39 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:22:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true
In-Reply-To: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>
References: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECC3AA0C85@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Happy Birthday week Rocky.

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 13 December 2018 14:17
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true


It's Rocky's birthday week! Happy Birthday Week Rocky! 

Susan H. 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 13 09:39:40 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:39:40 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true
In-Reply-To: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>
References: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+M5TnT-2pNuhf=oHq_PcE2bO8KrLPQvPZkqFrBgcqtJw@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Birthday Rocky!
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 8:17 AM Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's Rocky's birthday week! Happy Birthday Week Rocky!
>
> Susan H.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 13 10:47:28 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 08:47:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true
In-Reply-To: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>
References: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005b01d49303$88885cd0$99991670$@bchacc.com>

Oh, thank you! Yes, I'm 70 (If I'd have known I would live this long I'd
have taken better care of myself! :) )

Well, OK - top of the eighth. Anybody's ball game.  No telling how this will
turn out. If I can hang in there til the bottom of the ninth I'll be a happy
camper.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true


It's Rocky's birthday week! Happy Birthday Week Rocky! 

Susan H. 

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From eptept at gmail.com  Thu Dec 13 11:04:20 2018
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:04:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true
In-Reply-To: <005b01d49303$88885cd0$99991670$@bchacc.com>
References: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>
	<005b01d49303$88885cd0$99991670$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUeRzJfJ=pJuuLZMitPzO+UsAZnVCwt4S6Sk4dAoZ6=dw@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Birthday Rocky, I thought we were the same age but we will be com
next September.  BTW based on my brief meeting with you I would say you're
in pretty good shape, you'll probably make it to overtime?

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 11:47 AM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Oh, thank you! Yes, I'm 70 (If I'd have known I would live this long I'd
> have taken better care of myself! :) )
>
> Well, OK - top of the eighth. Anybody's ball game.  No telling how this
> will
> turn out. If I can hang in there til the bottom of the ninth I'll be a
> happy
> camper.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true
>
>
> It's Rocky's birthday week! Happy Birthday Week Rocky!
>
> Susan H.
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 13 16:15:47 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:15:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Oh man... it can't be true
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpUeRzJfJ=pJuuLZMitPzO+UsAZnVCwt4S6Sk4dAoZ6=dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <067901d492ee$842a1850$8c7e48f0$@gmail.com>,
	<005b01d49303$88885cd0$99991670$@bchacc.com>,
	<CAEkqQpUeRzJfJ=pJuuLZMitPzO+UsAZnVCwt4S6Sk4dAoZ6=dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C12DA13.27688.47E348E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'll beat you to it.  I'll make it in February.

And Happy Birthday Week to Rock from me too!


On 13 Dec 2018 at 12:04, Ed Tesiny wrote:

> Happy Birthday Rocky, I thought we were the same age but we will be
> com next September.  BTW based on my brief meeting with you I would
> say you're in pretty good shape, you'll probably make it to
> overtime
> 
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 11:47 AM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Oh, thank you! Yes, I'm 70 (If I'd have known I would live this long
> > I'd have taken better care of myself! :) )
> >
> > Well, OK - top of the eighth. Anybody's ball game.  No telling how
> > this will turn out. If I can hang in there til the bottom of the
> > ninth I'll be a happy camper.
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:17 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech]
> > FW: Oh man... it can't be true
> >
> >
> > It's Rocky's birthday week! Happy Birthday Week Rocky!
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 14:06:03 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:06:03 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 365
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gMO1ckewYRmoeSUo6o1c2+F32NeP3SS0WkQuL7zY1FNw@mail.gmail.com>

I signed up for a year. So far I have installed Office 365 on one computer,
but am unsure how to install it on my other computers. Suggestions?

-- 
Arthur

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Dec 17 14:08:08 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:08:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 365
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gMO1ckewYRmoeSUo6o1c2+F32NeP3SS0WkQuL7zY1FNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gMO1ckewYRmoeSUo6o1c2+F32NeP3SS0WkQuL7zY1FNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <rqxmv3ctz158dqbn6f-clqbs2-pdt3dg2wugpb-36cc1d-ylmimq-qnabzvmftiog-ildsd5-87kyjegfinq6l7kjrm-7z1caw-h17yfhlytay6w8wt0l-79nybgqzausmeommf9u8qp0u-f738f52ytpjs.1545077287355@email.android.com>

By install what do you mean? Just st so gn in from any machine.

Martin

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 365
From: Arthur Fuller
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
CC:

I signed up for a year. So far I have installed Office 365 on one computer,
but am unsure how to install it on my other computers. Suggestions?

--
Arthur
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From Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com  Mon Dec 17 14:43:03 2018
From: Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com (Zimmer, Michael)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:43:03 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 365
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gMO1ckewYRmoeSUo6o1c2+F32NeP3SS0WkQuL7zY1FNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gMO1ckewYRmoeSUo6o1c2+F32NeP3SS0WkQuL7zY1FNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR03MB3304C1511F5905EA37D8BBEBF9BC0@CY4PR03MB3304.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Arthur,

Logon to the "new" PC that you want to use your Office 365 account.  Open a web browser and go to your O365 online account page.  On the upper left-hand side of the screen you should see your name and your picture (or your initials if you haven't uploaded a pic) in a circle.
Click on that circle and choose "My Account"
You should see an "Install Status" pane where you can manage office installs.  I believe that you get 5 with a subscription.  There should be a clickable link "Install desktop application" although it's not terribly obvious.  Click on that and install O365 on the "new" PC.
You can click on manage installs as well to see what PCs you've installed O365 products.

Kindest personal regards,

Mike


Michael S. Zimmer
Information Systems Site Support Engineer
Federal-Mogul Powertrain
Rings & Liners, Ignition & FMCP
Manitowoc, WI USA
Office: +1-920-686-2269
Mobile: +1-920-629-3359
eMail: michael.zimmer at federalmogul.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 2:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 365


This email is from an external source. Only respond to the email, click links or open attachments if you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

I signed up for a year. So far I have installed Office 365 on one computer, but am unsure how to install it on my other computers. Suggestions?

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 15:55:53 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:55:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 365
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR03MB3304C1511F5905EA37D8BBEBF9BC0@CY4PR03MB3304.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gMO1ckewYRmoeSUo6o1c2+F32NeP3SS0WkQuL7zY1FNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CY4PR03MB3304C1511F5905EA37D8BBEBF9BC0@CY4PR03MB3304.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jFVU6ocZjOj-_uk=jfF+L9FL6GgRbQ_Xw-skLhmXzqMA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Michael.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 3:43 PM Zimmer, Michael <
Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Logon to the "new" PC that you want to use your Office 365 account.  Open
> a web browser and go to your O365 online account page.  On the upper
> left-hand side of the screen you should see your name and your picture (or
> your initials if you haven't uploaded a pic) in a circle.
> Click on that circle and choose "My Account"
> You should see an "Install Status" pane where you can manage office
> installs.  I believe that you get 5 with a subscription.  There should be a
> clickable link "Install desktop application" although it's not terribly
> obvious.  Click on that and install O365 on the "new" PC.
> You can click on manage installs as well to see what PCs you've installed
> O365 products.
>
> Kindest personal regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> Michael S. Zimmer
> Information Systems Site Support Engineer
> Federal-Mogul Powertrain
> Rings & Liners, Ignition & FMCP
> Manitowoc, WI USA
> Office: +1-920-686-2269
> Mobile: +1-920-629-3359
> eMail: michael.zimmer at federalmogul.com


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 06:34:40 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:34:40 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iBRq58CQsy1TZNXnHXa8gmNk8k-yo4kR=EBKre8n9peg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Dell UltraBook. I have never got used to its native keyboard and
built-in mousepad or whatever you call it, and so have a wireless
keyboard/mouse installed on it. When I try to enter my login password,
using the wireless keyboard, I get the message "incorrect password". If I
disable the wireless keyboard, restart, and enter exactly the same password
using the built-in keyboard, it works. WTF?
One more thing. When the wireless keyboard is attached, the built-in
keyboard is disabled. I think there's a setting to change that, but I
forget where it is. (It's Windows 10.) Changing that so I could use either
keyboard would solve the problem, perhaps not ideally, but then at least I
could log on using the built-in and thereafter use the wireless keyboard.
I've never seen anything like this before. All three of my computers have
identical Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse. None of the other two exhibit
this peculiar behaviour.
Any guesses as to why this occurs? Or how to fix it? Or find that setting
that enables both keyboards?
TIA.

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 19 06:55:21 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:55:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0427881CC53B90585A913CDECABE0@HE1PR10MB0427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Arthur

It could be a numlock or capslock issue ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 19. december 2018 13:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue

I have a Dell UltraBook. I have never got used to its native keyboard and built-in mousepad or whatever you call it, and so have a wireless keyboard/mouse installed on it. When I try to enter my login password, using the wireless keyboard, I get the message "incorrect password". If I disable the wireless keyboard, restart, and enter exactly the same password using the built-in keyboard, it works. WTF?
One more thing. When the wireless keyboard is attached, the built-in keyboard is disabled. I think there's a setting to change that, but I forget where it is. (It's Windows 10.) Changing that so I could use either keyboard would solve the problem, perhaps not ideally, but then at least I could log on using the built-in and thereafter use the wireless keyboard.
I've never seen anything like this before. All three of my computers have identical Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse. None of the other two exhibit this peculiar behaviour.
Any guesses as to why this occurs? Or how to fix it? Or find that setting that enables both keyboards?
TIA.

--
Arthur 



From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Dec 19 07:53:44 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:53:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB0427881CC53B90585A913CDECABE0@HE1PR10MB0427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB0427881CC53B90585A913CDECABE0@HE1PR10MB0427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CY4PR05MB2901FB13C9DB38D56A91BA27F6BE0@CY4PR05MB2901.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Gustav,

I have a Kinesis Freestyle keyboard which has a 'Function' key at the very bottom left corner.  The keyboard does not have a numberpad on the right side.  Pushing the function key allows some keys on the keyboard to act as a numberpad instead of letters.  U becomes 4, J becomes 1, and so on.  Once in a while I accidentally hit that key and then all goes haywire from what I'm expecting and then - I remember ... !

Does your keyboard have something like that?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: December 19, 2018 6:55
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue

Hi Arthur

It could be a numlock or capslock issue ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 19. december 2018 13:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue

I have a Dell UltraBook. I have never got used to its native keyboard and built-in mousepad or whatever you call it, and so have a wireless keyboard/mouse installed on it. When I try to enter my login password, using the wireless keyboard, I get the message "incorrect password". If I disable the wireless keyboard, restart, and enter exactly the same password using the built-in keyboard, it works. WTF?
One more thing. When the wireless keyboard is attached, the built-in keyboard is disabled. I think there's a setting to change that, but I forget where it is. (It's Windows 10.) Changing that so I could use either keyboard would solve the problem, perhaps not ideally, but then at least I could log on using the built-in and thereafter use the wireless keyboard.
I've never seen anything like this before. All three of my computers have identical Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse. None of the other two exhibit this peculiar behaviour.
Any guesses as to why this occurs? Or how to fix it? Or find that setting that enables both keyboards?
TIA.

--
Arthur 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Dec 19 10:48:57 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 08:48:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iBRq58CQsy1TZNXnHXa8gmNk8k-yo4kR=EBKre8n9peg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iBRq58CQsy1TZNXnHXa8gmNk8k-yo4kR=EBKre8n9peg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003601d497ba$bc75e060$3561a120$@bchacc.com>

Do you have any special characters in your password that may not be getting
transmitted correctly?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue

I have a Dell UltraBook. I have never got used to its native keyboard and
built-in mousepad or whatever you call it, and so have a wireless
keyboard/mouse installed on it. When I try to enter my login password,
using the wireless keyboard, I get the message "incorrect password". If I
disable the wireless keyboard, restart, and enter exactly the same password
using the built-in keyboard, it works. WTF?
One more thing. When the wireless keyboard is attached, the built-in
keyboard is disabled. I think there's a setting to change that, but I
forget where it is. (It's Windows 10.) Changing that so I could use either
keyboard would solve the problem, perhaps not ideally, but then at least I
could log on using the built-in and thereafter use the wireless keyboard.
I've never seen anything like this before. All three of my computers have
identical Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse. None of the other two exhibit
this peculiar behaviour.
Any guesses as to why this occurs? Or how to fix it? Or find that setting
that enables both keyboards?
TIA.

-- 
Arthur
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Dec 19 13:26:44 2018
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 11:26:44 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB0427881CC53B90585A913CDECABE0@HE1PR10MB0427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB0427881CC53B90585A913CDECABE0@HE1PR10MB0427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <006d01d497d0$c7f39c50$57dad4f0$@bassett.net>

I agree with Gustav. Though I'm 8.1 vs 10, while trying to install an app
recently, I was forced into "logging in" to "my" MS account which I don't
use. I have deleted that account, but it left me needing to type in a
password to get on my computer. That also turned off the num lock key.  I
figured out how to eliminate that forced password log-in, and once I no
longer had that, my num lock key worked the way it did before. So, before
you type your password, press the num lock key.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 Dec 2018 4:55 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bizarre keyboard issue
> 
> Hi Arthur
> 
> It could be a numlock or capslock issue ...
> 
> /gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 21 04:39:24 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 10:39:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove background
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0427502B3911A438E4FE9CD3CAB80@HE1PR10MB0427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

An online service now removes the background from pictures with a person - in seconds:

https://www.remove.bg/

Impressive.

/gustav

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 24 15:28:20 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 21:28:20 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

We?re making some changes to default installation settings
MC171479
Stay Informed
Published On : December 22, 2018
Office ProPlus and Office 2019 will now be installed with 64-bit as the default setting. Previously, the default setting was 32-bit at installation. This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
How does this affect me?

After this change takes place, the 64-bit version of Office will automatically be installed unless you explicitly select the 32-bit version?before?beginning the installation process.

If you install the 64-bit version, but wanted the 32-bit version instead, you must first?uninstall?the 64-bit version?before?installing the 32-bit version. The same is true if you installed the 32-bit version but want to install the 64-bit version.

This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.

Wow, I can see the ?add-in crashing hell? already!
John B


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 24 15:36:25 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 14:36:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop
In-Reply-To: <1814554694.430309064.1544243191961.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1814554694.430309064.1544243191961.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

I have come to realize that my knowledge of Windows 10, is lacking. 

In front of me is a Dell XPS-2 with a 13inch touch screen. It has a 512SSD, 32GB RAM, I7 intel CPU, with amateur Windows 10 version (Home edition). As I know little or nothing this OS, I have been plugging away to install enough features to make this OS useful.

I have installed Ubuntu WSL, SSH server/client, Remote (RDP) which doesn't come with the home version apparently. I am also trying to get X2Go server installed but really only the client is needed. There is a bunch of other software packages that will need to be installed but that is a start.

My main problem is reducing the amount of SSD space used by Windows down to about 200GB. The BIOS tricks I wouldn't go into as they are hardware specific. If there is anything that anyone can suggest I will be more than appreciative.

1. Downloaded WINRETOOL and I understand I can backup the entire system to a USB stick. What all does the Windows 10 backup tool backup? Does it backup all the current installed applications as well? I would really hate to have to go through numerous updating sequences again as it took many hours. 

2. Use a Disk management application, booted from another USB stick which will format the drive into the appropriate partitions. In the past I have just used Windows Disk Management tool to create a partition of unused drive space and then rebooted the computer to install my Linux OS in the unallocated space but for some reason it is not recognized that new partition...it may be something with the current UEFI settings but I am not sure. (What is the Windows EFI system partition?)

3. Then re-install the backedup Windows OS on one new partition, using the backup USB stick and then install Linux on the other partition.

In theory it should all work but I have never done this before and it seems I have little time to investigate properly. If anyone has experience or comment to add please do so.

MTIA
Jim



  

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 24 15:53:25 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:53:25 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop
In-Reply-To: <480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1814554694.430309064.1544243191961.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002f01d49bd3$18bc8600$4a359200$@bchacc.com>

I use my SSD only for system software and apps.  Anything with data goes on
the old internal HD that the SSD replaced as the boot drive.  Although I do
have my current clients' apps on the SSD so my development time is more
efficient. And my documents and other stuff that I use a lot. But they don't
take up much space. 

The old internal HD is mostly the mirror of my Google drive plus books and
music downloads. 

I should think that the 512 would be enough space for all of the OS files
and other system software and apps?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 1:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop

Hi All:

I have come to realize that my knowledge of Windows 10, is lacking. 

In front of me is a Dell XPS-2 with a 13inch touch screen. It has a 512SSD,
32GB RAM, I7 intel CPU, with amateur Windows 10 version (Home edition). As I
know little or nothing this OS, I have been plugging away to install enough
features to make this OS useful.

I have installed Ubuntu WSL, SSH server/client, Remote (RDP) which doesn't
come with the home version apparently. I am also trying to get X2Go server
installed but really only the client is needed. There is a bunch of other
software packages that will need to be installed but that is a start.

My main problem is reducing the amount of SSD space used by Windows down to
about 200GB. The BIOS tricks I wouldn't go into as they are hardware
specific. If there is anything that anyone can suggest I will be more than
appreciative.

1. Downloaded WINRETOOL and I understand I can backup the entire system to a
USB stick. What all does the Windows 10 backup tool backup? Does it backup
all the current installed applications as well? I would really hate to have
to go through numerous updating sequences again as it took many hours. 

2. Use a Disk management application, booted from another USB stick which
will format the drive into the appropriate partitions. In the past I have
just used Windows Disk Management tool to create a partition of unused drive
space and then rebooted the computer to install my Linux OS in the
unallocated space but for some reason it is not recognized that new
partition...it may be something with the current UEFI settings but I am not
sure. (What is the Windows EFI system partition?)

3. Then re-install the backedup Windows OS on one new partition, using the
backup USB stick and then install Linux on the other partition.

In theory it should all work but I have never done this before and it seems
I have little time to investigate properly. If anyone has experience or
comment to add please do so.

MTIA
Jim



  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 24 16:07:51 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 08:07:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] he latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5C2158B7.19909.F0062D6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It had to happen some time.  :(

've used the Win32API in a lot of systems and I've got some old applications out there which 
haven't been updated to PTRSAFE and LONGPTR.  

Looks like there will be a few support calls coming up.

-- 
Stuart



On 24 Dec 2018 at 21:28, John Bartow wrote:

> We?re making some changes to default installation settings
> MC171479
> Stay Informed
> Published On : December 22, 2018
> Office ProPlus and Office 2019 will now be installed with 64-bit as
> the default setting. Previously, the default setting was 32-bit at
> installation. This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
> How does this affect me?
> 
> After this change takes place, the 64-bit version of Office will
> automatically be installed unless you explicitly select the 32-bit
> versionbeforebeginning the installation process.
> 
> If you install the 64-bit version, but wanted the 32-bit version
> instead, you must firstuninstallthe 64-bit
> versionbeforeinstalling the 32-bit version. The same is true if
> you installed the 32-bit version but want to install the 64-bit
> version.
> 
> This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
> 
> Wow, I can see the "add-in crashing hell" already!
> John B
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 24 16:58:30 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:58:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop
In-Reply-To: <002f01d49bd3$18bc8600$4a359200$@bchacc.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1814554694.430309064.1544243191961.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002f01d49bd3$18bc8600$4a359200$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <1115073955.543178376.1545692310165.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Rocky:

Yes, there is more than enough room for everything...but I would like to have two distinct operating environments that I can boot easily between without having to virtualize one or the other OSs, to accommodate the two systems.

I think that barebones Windows needs only about 20GB and Ubuntu Mate 18.04 needs only about 15GB. Everything else is for selected applications and data storage. I hope to have the laptop all ready for travel. It is only 2.65 lbs (1.2Kilo) and has a steel frame and skin. 

I will be setting up software so that any photos and any extra data can be easily forwarded to one of the servers at home.

I do have a couple of 128GB USB 3.x sticks and hopefully, with those two and the extra space of the laptop drive there should be enough room.

Jim

PS Maybe you can give me some tips on setting up Google drive so pictures can be posted that everyone can see?

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 1:53:25 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop

I use my SSD only for system software and apps.  Anything with data goes on
the old internal HD that the SSD replaced as the boot drive.  Although I do
have my current clients' apps on the SSD so my development time is more
efficient. And my documents and other stuff that I use a lot. But they don't
take up much space. 

The old internal HD is mostly the mirror of my Google drive plus books and
music downloads. 

I should think that the 512 would be enough space for all of the OS files
and other system software and apps?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 1:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop

Hi All:

I have come to realize that my knowledge of Windows 10, is lacking. 

In front of me is a Dell XPS-2 with a 13inch touch screen. It has a 512SSD,
32GB RAM, I7 intel CPU, with amateur Windows 10 version (Home edition). As I
know little or nothing this OS, I have been plugging away to install enough
features to make this OS useful.

I have installed Ubuntu WSL, SSH server/client, Remote (RDP) which doesn't
come with the home version apparently. I am also trying to get X2Go server
installed but really only the client is needed. There is a bunch of other
software packages that will need to be installed but that is a start.

My main problem is reducing the amount of SSD space used by Windows down to
about 200GB. The BIOS tricks I wouldn't go into as they are hardware
specific. If there is anything that anyone can suggest I will be more than
appreciative.

1. Downloaded WINRETOOL and I understand I can backup the entire system to a
USB stick. What all does the Windows 10 backup tool backup? Does it backup
all the current installed applications as well? I would really hate to have
to go through numerous updating sequences again as it took many hours. 

2. Use a Disk management application, booted from another USB stick which
will format the drive into the appropriate partitions. In the past I have
just used Windows Disk Management tool to create a partition of unused drive
space and then rebooted the computer to install my Linux OS in the
unallocated space but for some reason it is not recognized that new
partition...it may be something with the current UEFI settings but I am not
sure. (What is the Windows EFI system partition?)

3. Then re-install the backedup Windows OS on one new partition, using the
backup USB stick and then install Linux on the other partition.

In theory it should all work but I have never done this before and it seems
I have little time to investigate properly. If anyone has experience or
comment to add please do so.

MTIA
Jim



  
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 24 17:37:29 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:37:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2034174863.543313636.1545694649722.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

It has been a steady march forward(?) in all computer systems and for all applications as 32bit systems are no longer being supported. You would think that application should be smart enough to recognize the environment to which it is being installed and make the appropriate adjustments. How difficult is it to check for 64bit hardware and either install or warn?

Aside: According to one survey, from https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/, it reports 97.9% of users are running a 64-bit build of Windows - giving only 2.1% on 32-bit Windows. There is little concern given with continuing to support the millions of 32 bit machines as there is no profit in these legacy boxes. (There is still supported Linux kernels along with associated software that run on 486 motherboards but software upgrades are not always regular.)

For interest sake the latest version of Alpine Linux comes in at 49MB for a base version and 58MB for a version with a GUI and should have an additional 150MB for data storage (IoT crunched version needs only 8MB): https://alpinelinux.org/downloads/ and https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/images/1/10/Awesome-01.png) If you have Docker set up on your computer you can just run Alpine in a container or just boot up a live addition (non-destructive) Alpine version for a very small USB stick.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 1:28:20 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"

We?re making some changes to default installation settings
MC171479
Stay Informed
Published On : December 22, 2018
Office ProPlus and Office 2019 will now be installed with 64-bit as the default setting. Previously, the default setting was 32-bit at installation. This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
How does this affect me?

After this change takes place, the 64-bit version of Office will automatically be installed unless you explicitly select the 32-bit version?before?beginning the installation process.

If you install the 64-bit version, but wanted the 32-bit version instead, you must first?uninstall?the 64-bit version?before?installing the 32-bit version. The same is true if you installed the 32-bit version but want to install the 64-bit version.

This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.

Wow, I can see the ?add-in crashing hell? already!
John B

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Dec 25 04:50:05 2018
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 10:50:05 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1F8C604A-BFCB-48C6-B006-061031994058@tydda.plus.com>

At last! We?ve been rolling out the 64bit version at work for the last year now, had no problems with add-ins at all. 

Jon

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Dec 2018, at 21:28, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> 
> We?re making some changes to default installation settings
> MC171479
> Stay Informed
> Published On : December 22, 2018
> Office ProPlus and Office 2019 will now be installed with 64-bit as the default setting. Previously, the default setting was 32-bit at installation. This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
> How does this affect me?
> 
> After this change takes place, the 64-bit version of Office will automatically be installed unless you explicitly select the 32-bit version?before?beginning the installation process.
> 
> If you install the 64-bit version, but wanted the 32-bit version instead, you must first?uninstall?the 64-bit version?before?installing the 32-bit version. The same is true if you installed the 32-bit version but want to install the 64-bit version.
> 
> This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
> 
> Wow, I can see the ?add-in crashing hell? already!
> John B
> 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Dec 26 23:07:52 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 05:07:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"
In-Reply-To: <1F8C604A-BFCB-48C6-B006-061031994058@tydda.plus.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<1F8C604A-BFCB-48C6-B006-061031994058@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR1101MB21944C0B2A56F536FE8FBF63D8B60@BN6PR1101MB2194.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

That good to know Jon! Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"

At last! We?ve been rolling out the 64bit version at work for the last year now, had no problems with add-ins at all. 

Jon

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Dec 2018, at 21:28, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> 
> We?re making some changes to default installation settings
> MC171479
> Stay Informed
> Published On : December 22, 2018
> Office ProPlus and Office 2019 will now be installed with 64-bit as the default setting. Previously, the default setting was 32-bit at installation. This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
> How does this affect me?
> 
> After this change takes place, the 64-bit version of Office will automatically be installed unless you explicitly select the 32-bit version?before?beginning the installation process.
> 
> If you install the 64-bit version, but wanted the 32-bit version instead, you must first?uninstall?the 64-bit version?before?installing the 32-bit version. The same is true if you installed the 32-bit version but want to install the 64-bit version.
> 
> This change will begin rolling out in mid-January, 2019.
> 
> Wow, I can see the ?add-in crashing hell? already!
> John B
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 26 23:27:57 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:27:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop
In-Reply-To: <480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1814554694.430309064.1544243191961.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1875584895.556440871.1545888477081.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Just for information sake, if you are trying to create another Partition on your new computer, do the following first:

Many new systems, with Windows 10 pre-installed, use BitLocker Encryption system for win 10 with TPM (Trusted Platform module). That's why you can't shrink your partition.

1. Turn off Bitlocker system by going to SETTING > SYSTEM > ABOUT > DEVICE ENCRYPTION > TURN OFF (you need to wait some minutes for ending process).
2. Turn on RUN window (window button + R) > type 'msconfig' > go to 'SERVICE' tab > unstick 'BitLocker Drive Encryption Service' and then Restart your computer (You will be prompted).
3. Then shrink partition normally in your computer. If the size is still small, you can use another tool like 'Mini Partition Wizard' :-) or EASEUS Partition Manager.(these tools are free) to resize your drive (you can't use these tools if the bitlocker system is turning on).
4. When everything is done, return on the BitLocker Encryption system and stick again in check box of 'BitLocker Drive Encryption Service'.
5. You will be prompted to Restart your computer.

I learn something new every day.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 1:36:25 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop

Hi All:

I have come to realize that my knowledge of Windows 10, is lacking. 

In front of me is a Dell XPS-2 with a 13inch touch screen. It has a 512SSD, 32GB RAM, I7 intel CPU, with amateur Windows 10 version (Home edition). As I know little or nothing this OS, I have been plugging away to install enough features to make this OS useful.

I have installed Ubuntu WSL, SSH server/client, Remote (RDP) which doesn't come with the home version apparently. I am also trying to get X2Go server installed but really only the client is needed. There is a bunch of other software packages that will need to be installed but that is a start.

My main problem is reducing the amount of SSD space used by Windows down to about 200GB. The BIOS tricks I wouldn't go into as they are hardware specific. If there is anything that anyone can suggest I will be more than appreciative.

1. Downloaded WINRETOOL and I understand I can backup the entire system to a USB stick. What all does the Windows 10 backup tool backup? Does it backup all the current installed applications as well? I would really hate to have to go through numerous updating sequences again as it took many hours. 

2. Use a Disk management application, booted from another USB stick which will format the drive into the appropriate partitions. In the past I have just used Windows Disk Management tool to create a partition of unused drive space and then rebooted the computer to install my Linux OS in the unallocated space but for some reason it is not recognized that new partition...it may be something with the current UEFI settings but I am not sure. (What is the Windows EFI system partition?)

3. Then re-install the backedup Windows OS on one new partition, using the backup USB stick and then install Linux on the other partition.

In theory it should all work but I have never done this before and it seems I have little time to investigate properly. If anyone has experience or comment to add please do so.

MTIA
Jim



  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 26 23:44:00 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 15:44:00 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest from "Microsoft 365 admin center"
In-Reply-To: <2034174863.543313636.1545694649722.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012AB24323E32ACF8A0CBAD8BB0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>,
	<2034174863.543313636.1545694649722.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <5C2466A0.16724.EF9B78@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You miss the point entirely.32bit *systems* may no longer be supported, but that's not 
surprising.- there are vanishingly few of them left in the wild.

It's not even the few machines still running 32 bit Windows (almost all would be 64bit 
machine anyway).

32bit applications are not going away any time soon, there are too many of them in daily use 
out there.

With the advent of Win64, 16 bit applications were no longer supported. 
32bit applications will continue to be supported as long as Windows is 64bit -

You won't see 32bit applications disappear completely until Win128 gets widely adopted :)

This is just about MS makng the default intallation of OFFICE, 64bit.

It's actually quite reasonable - just a bit of a PITA for people using older Access applications 
written on the assumption of 32bit Office which use Win32API calls and other 32bit DLLs etc.

Not a major issue - I've been future safing new applications for a few years now, but there 
are as some legacy Access systems that use API calls and  define pointers as LONG and 
they break when run under 64bit Access.

And then there's the problem of   ACCDE files, you need the same ACCDB compiled 
separately for 32bit or 64biot Office so distribution/updating  of secured systems will get a bit 
more tricky..




On 24 Dec 2018 at 16:37, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> It has been a steady march forward(?) in all computer systems and for
> all applications as 32bit systems are no longer being supported. You
> would think that application should be smart enough to recognize the
> environment to which it is being installed and make the appropriate
> adjustments. How difficult is it to check for 64bit hardware and
> either install or warn?
> 
> Aside: According to one survey, from
> https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/, it reports 97.9% of users
> are running a 64-bit build of Windows - giving only 2.1% on 32-bit
> Windows. There is little concern given with continuing to support the
> millions of 32 bit machines as there is no profit in these legacy
> boxes. (There is still supported Linux kernels along with associated
> software that run on 486 motherboards but software upgrades are not
> always regular.)
> 


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 06:29:57 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 07:29:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] g a dual boot laptop
In-Reply-To: <480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1703656678.188035595.1541207576953.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<26610650.213302974.1541545435087.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1814554694.430309064.1544243191961.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<480552001.542811645.1545687385775.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE89Kj1Ns6swZqr91weR4-G9FeJmeTNbyA0v2i9WLQH5aA@mail.gmail.com>

go get a tb ssd. Then run windows in a vm. Windows screws around with
things to trust it to not screw up the dual boot.

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 4:36 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I have come to realize that my knowledge of Windows 10, is lacking.
>
> In front of me is a Dell XPS-2 with a 13inch touch screen. It has a
> 512SSD, 32GB RAM, I7 intel CPU, with amateur Windows 10 version (Home
> edition). As I know little or nothing this OS, I have been plugging away to
> install enough features to make this OS useful.
>
> I have installed Ubuntu WSL, SSH server/client, Remote (RDP) which doesn't
> come with the home version apparently. I am also trying to get X2Go server
> installed but really only the client is needed. There is a bunch of other
> software packages that will need to be installed but that is a start.
>
> My main problem is reducing the amount of SSD space used by Windows down
> to about 200GB. The BIOS tricks I wouldn't go into as they are hardware
> specific. If there is anything that anyone can suggest I will be more than
> appreciative.
>
> 1. Downloaded WINRETOOL and I understand I can backup the entire system to
> a USB stick. What all does the Windows 10 backup tool backup? Does it
> backup all the current installed applications as well? I would really hate
> to have to go through numerous updating sequences again as it took many
> hours.
>
> 2. Use a Disk management application, booted from another USB stick which
> will format the drive into the appropriate partitions. In the past I have
> just used Windows Disk Management tool to create a partition of unused
> drive space and then rebooted the computer to install my Linux OS in the
> unallocated space but for some reason it is not recognized that new
> partition...it may be something with the current UEFI settings but I am not
> sure. (What is the Windows EFI system partition?)
>
> 3. Then re-install the backedup Windows OS on one new partition, using the
> backup USB stick and then install Linux on the other partition.
>
> In theory it should all work but I have never done this before and it
> seems I have little time to investigate properly. If anyone has experience
> or comment to add please do so.
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 12:23:55 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 18:23:55 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>

How many of you listers take into consideration whether your code is
beautiful or not? I confess that I'm a big fan of both beauty and
refactoring, I liken this process to an artist's sketches that lead
ultimately to a painting.
I begin with a sketch, and I use pen and paper because no software I've
tried compares to what I can accomplish in a few hours with a sketchpad and
a pencil or pen. I'm over 70, and I no longer even try to keep up with the
latest developments in software, even within my own specialty, databases.
I modestly consider myself a pretty good SQL programmer, but have written
more than a few front ends to databases I've designed and developed. Those
projects range from being one of 8 members of a team developing a
health-care system involving 500 tables on 8 servers (for privacy
considerations, not to mention the physical size of the databases in
question -- imagine a database that includes the population of Ontario, and
a related database consisting of all the physicians in Ontario, and the
necessity of PITA (Point In Time App -- c.f my article on this topic at Red
Gate's Simple Talk site). In a medical app, you might need to track a
particular patient and discover who her physician(s) were in 1999, and then
track their diagnoses and the results they measured -- assuming they
bothered to follow up. This is not a general accusation of all physicians,
but there are provably more than a few bad apples in the basket.
I digress. How many of you listers appreciate the art of beautiful code,
and how many of that selected set are employed in companies who appreciate
gorgeous code?
Another prejudice I readily confess: extensive comments do not compensate
for gorgeous code. On the other hand, I also believe that every previous
version ought be commented and included in the source file(s), with
comments describing why the original code was deemed insuffficent, either
because it overlooked boundary conditions or simply because there existed
much quicker algorithms to solve the given problem. Take a simple problem
such as sorting a million stocks of interest, and analyzing what happend
since Christmas this year. One day it skyrockets and the next day it
plummets.
Yet again I digress, but I'm on a thought train here, and will send this
and also follow with the second part of this thesis. Returning to the
subject at hand, all us programmers are going to die soon, and all that
will be left of us, other than ashes or a hole in the ground, is the code
we wrote. That's why I demand that the code we write be beautiful. It ought
to be self-explanatory, so our successors can immediately understand it,
and take over once we're six feet deep. That is our responsibity, and our
obligation, and that's why we must write beautiful code. The next
generation of use senior citizens will need to read our code, and
understand why we made the decisions we made. And then improve our
techniques.

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 28 12:44:56 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 18:44:56 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0427C7E0FC1E48427D6141FCCAB70@HE1PR10MB0427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Arthur

I do, though I don't start with pen and paper. Also, I must admit, it is mostly to please myself when reading my old code, rather than for the benefit of the coming generation - realising it may not need my code at all.

/gustav

---
How many of you listers take into consideration whether your code is
beautiful or not? I confess that I'm a big fan of both beauty and
refactoring, I liken this process to an artist's sketches that lead
ultimately to a painting.

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec 28 14:26:30 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:26:30 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>


I use long variable and field names.  That's a habit from COBOL days when
the code, if done right, would read almost like air code.

I use spaces between chunks of code that I liken to paragraphs. And use lots
of one line comments which, in the VBA window come out green.

I use continuation characters so that a line of code never goes off the
screen to the right so I have to horizontal scroll to the right to see
what's beyond the display.

And most importantly, I indent religiously especially for nested Dos and
Ifs. 

Most of these disciplines I developed out of self-defense as I was a lone
ranger developer and had to maintain or revisit code that I might have
written years ago.

Would you call that beautiful?  How do you define beautiful?

r


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:24 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code

How many of you listers take into consideration whether your code is
beautiful or not? I confess that I'm a big fan of both beauty and
refactoring, I liken this process to an artist's sketches that lead
ultimately to a painting.
I begin with a sketch, and I use pen and paper because no software I've
tried compares to what I can accomplish in a few hours with a sketchpad and
a pencil or pen. I'm over 70, and I no longer even try to keep up with the
latest developments in software, even within my own specialty, databases.
I modestly consider myself a pretty good SQL programmer, but have written
more than a few front ends to databases I've designed and developed. Those
projects range from being one of 8 members of a team developing a
health-care system involving 500 tables on 8 servers (for privacy
considerations, not to mention the physical size of the databases in
question -- imagine a database that includes the population of Ontario, and
a related database consisting of all the physicians in Ontario, and the
necessity of PITA (Point In Time App -- c.f my article on this topic at Red
Gate's Simple Talk site). In a medical app, you might need to track a
particular patient and discover who her physician(s) were in 1999, and then
track their diagnoses and the results they measured -- assuming they
bothered to follow up. This is not a general accusation of all physicians,
but there are provably more than a few bad apples in the basket.
I digress. How many of you listers appreciate the art of beautiful code,
and how many of that selected set are employed in companies who appreciate
gorgeous code?
Another prejudice I readily confess: extensive comments do not compensate
for gorgeous code. On the other hand, I also believe that every previous
version ought be commented and included in the source file(s), with
comments describing why the original code was deemed insuffficent, either
because it overlooked boundary conditions or simply because there existed
much quicker algorithms to solve the given problem. Take a simple problem
such as sorting a million stocks of interest, and analyzing what happend
since Christmas this year. One day it skyrockets and the next day it
plummets.
Yet again I digress, but I'm on a thought train here, and will send this
and also follow with the second part of this thesis. Returning to the
subject at hand, all us programmers are going to die soon, and all that
will be left of us, other than ashes or a hole in the ground, is the code
we wrote. That's why I demand that the code we write be beautiful. It ought
to be self-explanatory, so our successors can immediately understand it,
and take over once we're six feet deep. That is our responsibity, and our
obligation, and that's why we must write beautiful code. The next
generation of use senior citizens will need to read our code, and
understand why we made the decisions we made. And then improve our
techniques.

-- 
Arthur
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From eptept at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 15:19:35 2018
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:19:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code
In-Reply-To: <008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Most of these disciplines I developed out of self-defense as I was a lone
ranger developer and had to maintain or revisit code that I might have
written years ago.

Totally agree with you here and many of the practices were picked up from
the folks on AccessD and from studying code in books.  Many times when I
was actively programming, databases had to be tweaked maybe a year or two
after going live.  Without these best practices one would have to reinvent
the wheel.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 3:26 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

>
> I use long variable and field names.  That's a habit from COBOL days when
> the code, if done right, would read almost like air code.
>
> I use spaces between chunks of code that I liken to paragraphs. And use
> lots
> of one line comments which, in the VBA window come out green.
>
> I use continuation characters so that a line of code never goes off the
> screen to the right so I have to horizontal scroll to the right to see
> what's beyond the display.
>
> And most importantly, I indent religiously especially for nested Dos and
> Ifs.
>
> Most of these disciplines I developed out of self-defense as I was a lone
> ranger developer and had to maintain or revisit code that I might have
> written years ago.
>
> Would you call that beautiful?  How do you define beautiful?
>
> r
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:24 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code
>
> How many of you listers take into consideration whether your code is
> beautiful or not? I confess that I'm a big fan of both beauty and
> refactoring, I liken this process to an artist's sketches that lead
> ultimately to a painting.
> I begin with a sketch, and I use pen and paper because no software I've
> tried compares to what I can accomplish in a few hours with a sketchpad and
> a pencil or pen. I'm over 70, and I no longer even try to keep up with the
> latest developments in software, even within my own specialty, databases.
> I modestly consider myself a pretty good SQL programmer, but have written
> more than a few front ends to databases I've designed and developed. Those
> projects range from being one of 8 members of a team developing a
> health-care system involving 500 tables on 8 servers (for privacy
> considerations, not to mention the physical size of the databases in
> question -- imagine a database that includes the population of Ontario, and
> a related database consisting of all the physicians in Ontario, and the
> necessity of PITA (Point In Time App -- c.f my article on this topic at Red
> Gate's Simple Talk site). In a medical app, you might need to track a
> particular patient and discover who her physician(s) were in 1999, and then
> track their diagnoses and the results they measured -- assuming they
> bothered to follow up. This is not a general accusation of all physicians,
> but there are provably more than a few bad apples in the basket.
> I digress. How many of you listers appreciate the art of beautiful code,
> and how many of that selected set are employed in companies who appreciate
> gorgeous code?
> Another prejudice I readily confess: extensive comments do not compensate
> for gorgeous code. On the other hand, I also believe that every previous
> version ought be commented and included in the source file(s), with
> comments describing why the original code was deemed insuffficent, either
> because it overlooked boundary conditions or simply because there existed
> much quicker algorithms to solve the given problem. Take a simple problem
> such as sorting a million stocks of interest, and analyzing what happend
> since Christmas this year. One day it skyrockets and the next day it
> plummets.
> Yet again I digress, but I'm on a thought train here, and will send this
> and also follow with the second part of this thesis. Returning to the
> subject at hand, all us programmers are going to die soon, and all that
> will be left of us, other than ashes or a hole in the ground, is the code
> we wrote. That's why I demand that the code we write be beautiful. It ought
> to be self-explanatory, so our successors can immediately understand it,
> and take over once we're six feet deep. That is our responsibity, and our
> obligation, and that's why we must write beautiful code. The next
> generation of use senior citizens will need to read our code, and
> understand why we made the decisions we made. And then improve our
> techniques.
>
> --
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 28 16:37:32 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 15:37:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <894391204.566984065.1546036652724.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I really love to see well constructed and laid out code. So much code is just hacked out and/or quickly patched....such is the much of the small private industries, where time and money is the major (the only) concern. Doing good clean code is the best defense as if done right it will be easy fix and improve in the future.

A while back I downloaded some of the Netflix code to see how it works. Elegant to say the least. This is one of the big pluses of open-sourcing code...people tend to clean up their house if they are expecting visitors. ;-)

https://github.com/netflix

Its a great source library and some of the code is really a thing of beauty.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:23:55 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code

How many of you listers take into consideration whether your code is
beautiful or not? I confess that I'm a big fan of both beauty and
refactoring, I liken this process to an artist's sketches that lead
ultimately to a painting.
I begin with a sketch, and I use pen and paper because no software I've
tried compares to what I can accomplish in a few hours with a sketchpad and
a pencil or pen. I'm over 70, and I no longer even try to keep up with the
latest developments in software, even within my own specialty, databases.
I modestly consider myself a pretty good SQL programmer, but have written
more than a few front ends to databases I've designed and developed. Those
projects range from being one of 8 members of a team developing a
health-care system involving 500 tables on 8 servers (for privacy
considerations, not to mention the physical size of the databases in
question -- imagine a database that includes the population of Ontario, and
a related database consisting of all the physicians in Ontario, and the
necessity of PITA (Point In Time App -- c.f my article on this topic at Red
Gate's Simple Talk site). In a medical app, you might need to track a
particular patient and discover who her physician(s) were in 1999, and then
track their diagnoses and the results they measured -- assuming they
bothered to follow up. This is not a general accusation of all physicians,
but there are provably more than a few bad apples in the basket.
I digress. How many of you listers appreciate the art of beautiful code,
and how many of that selected set are employed in companies who appreciate
gorgeous code?
Another prejudice I readily confess: extensive comments do not compensate
for gorgeous code. On the other hand, I also believe that every previous
version ought be commented and included in the source file(s), with
comments describing why the original code was deemed insuffficent, either
because it overlooked boundary conditions or simply because there existed
much quicker algorithms to solve the given problem. Take a simple problem
such as sorting a million stocks of interest, and analyzing what happend
since Christmas this year. One day it skyrockets and the next day it
plummets.
Yet again I digress, but I'm on a thought train here, and will send this
and also follow with the second part of this thesis. Returning to the
subject at hand, all us programmers are going to die soon, and all that
will be left of us, other than ashes or a hole in the ground, is the code
we wrote. That's why I demand that the code we write be beautiful. It ought
to be self-explanatory, so our successors can immediately understand it,
and take over once we're six feet deep. That is our responsibity, and our
obligation, and that's why we must write beautiful code. The next
generation of use senior citizens will need to read our code, and
understand why we made the decisions we made. And then improve our
techniques.

-- 
Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 28 18:00:43 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:00:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code and more
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <372283840.567336030.1546041643432.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

One of the interesting areas as related to coding is our video (TV) sets.

Samsung TVs, from Korea have decided to use Tizen Linux to run their smart TV:

https://www.tizen.org/

Aside: Tried to hack our TV and thought, for a moment that I had "bricked it" but I did recover it. 

The LG TVs, made in Korea, China and the US, use WebOS (Linux...Open webOS, HP webOS, Palm webOS and to LG webOS). Yes, you are right the Palm-pilot OS revised and improved. 

http://webosose.org/develop/architecture/

Aside: If you want to hack your LG TV here is the webbrowser GUI for you, called Enact: https://www.npmjs.com/~enact

...and finally we come to Sony. Their TVs use (Xperia S Linux) Android and as such, not only is it's Linux code downloadable but you can run all your android apps on the Smart TVs. Even comes with a full version of Kodi so you can manage all your movies/videos/music/audio books/podcasts and so on. As you would expect Sony is hardly a bastion of open source but their TVs can be hacked and edited all the same.

Aside: In the likelihood of the inevitable here is a link on how to revived your bricked Sony TV:
https://sourcey.com/articles/flash-android-sony-xperia-on-linux

As all the code can be downloaded and reviewed what a great opportunity to explore and to learn more.

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 28 18:39:00 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 17:39:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free courses
In-Reply-To: <372283840.567336030.1546041643432.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<372283840.567336030.1546041643432.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <517735783.567537384.1546043940566.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

As we are talking about good coding we have an opportunity to take a free course in web design:

https://www.reddit.com/comments/a5bb13/free_courses_on_web_development_windows_mixed/?utm_source=reddit-android
http://bit.ly/2TaE59o

Aside: This link comes from Redit so ignore the rude comments placed below.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/collective/learning/courses?sort=Newest&page=1&level=Beginner
http://bit.ly/2LDoo7V

Jim

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 29 16:49:54 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 16:49:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free courses
In-Reply-To: <517735783.567537384.1546043940566.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<372283840.567336030.1546041643432.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<517735783.567537384.1546043940566.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <de48d2a3-eb1b-2bfd-e7c1-ebe835ed0fbc@earthlink.net>

On 12/28/2018 18:39, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> As we are talking about good coding we have an opportunity to take a free course in web design:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/comments/a5bb13/free_courses_on_web_development_windows_mixed/?utm_source=reddit-android
> http://bit.ly/2TaE59o

For when we /have to/ code a website with Windows tools.

PB

-----

>
> Aside: This link comes from Redit so ignore the rude comments placed below.
>
> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/collective/learning/courses?sort=Newest&page=1&level=Beginner
> http://bit.ly/2LDoo7V
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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>


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Dec 30 17:00:24 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 23:00:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to write beautiful code
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB2201FD7C28B1DB48AE472EE2D8B10@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Ditto for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny

 Most of these disciplines I developed out of self-defense as I was a lone ranger developer and had to maintain or revisit code that I might have written years ago.

Totally agree with you here and many of the practices were picked up from the folks on AccessD and from studying code in books.  Many times when I was actively programming, databases had to be tweaked maybe a year or two after going live.  Without these best practices one would have to reinvent the wheel.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Dec 30 23:37:02 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 22:37:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free courses
In-Reply-To: <de48d2a3-eb1b-2bfd-e7c1-ebe835ed0fbc@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<372283840.567336030.1546041643432.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<517735783.567537384.1546043940566.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<de48d2a3-eb1b-2bfd-e7c1-ebe835ed0fbc@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <150285438.579773120.1546234622728.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

You have a point there...when would that ever happen? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:49:54 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free courses

On 12/28/2018 18:39, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> As we are talking about good coding we have an opportunity to take a free course in web design:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/comments/a5bb13/free_courses_on_web_development_windows_mixed/?utm_source=reddit-android
> http://bit.ly/2TaE59o

For when we /have to/ code a website with Windows tools.

PB

-----

>
> Aside: This link comes from Redit so ignore the rude comments placed below.
>
> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/collective/learning/courses?sort=Newest&page=1&level=Beginner
> http://bit.ly/2LDoo7V
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 31 09:25:37 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 09:25:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free courses
In-Reply-To: <150285438.579773120.1546234622728.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1ih3GjBabzgmuPPLPKsdA-=bix6foybubgbUoyfqTRjOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d49eeb$9e0974b0$da1c5e10$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEkqQpXPTqz+5W3OBsUkeuN9VR6gym+M4sq25-iu4trnDrPVsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<372283840.567336030.1546041643432.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<517735783.567537384.1546043940566.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<de48d2a3-eb1b-2bfd-e7c1-ebe835ed0fbc@earthlink.net>
	<150285438.579773120.1546234622728.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1f9ef459-4fd5-5633-6a55-179c24bec1c3@earthlink.net>

On 12/30/2018 23:37, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> You have a point there...when would that ever happen? ;-)
Not often here :)

Happy New Year.

>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:49:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free courses
>
> On 12/28/2018 18:39, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> As we are talking about good coding we have an opportunity to take a free course in web design:
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/comments/a5bb13/free_courses_on_web_development_windows_mixed/?utm_source=reddit-android
>> http://bit.ly/2TaE59o
> For when we /have to/ code a website with Windows tools.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>> Aside: This link comes from Redit so ignore the rude comments placed below.
>>
>> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/collective/learning/courses?sort=Newest&page=1&level=Beginner
>> http://bit.ly/2LDoo7V
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>