From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 14:54:36 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:54:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation
Message-ID: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>

Regarding CSS -- do you pronounce the @ in @media? 

Susan H. 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 15:16:23 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 16:16:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>
References: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i29BUC3LkPCepO+Fzfq9Ea-6EAAs71w1T=Lm0wm9Vtcw@mail.gmail.com>

Of course,


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Regarding CSS -- do you pronounce the @ in @media?
>
> Susan H.
>
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>



-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Feb  1 16:43:48 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 08:43:48 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i29BUC3LkPCepO+Fzfq9Ea-6EAAs71w1T=Lm0wm9Vtcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1i29BUC3LkPCepO+Fzfq9Ea-6EAAs71w1T=Lm0wm9Vtcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A739824.18912.8C633CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

We're talking CSS/HTML here and the entity name is &COMMAT; 
(An abbreviation of "commercial at")

So would that be pronounced "at media" or "commat media" or maybe "at sign media" ?


Never make fun of someone if they mispronounce a word.
It means they learned it by reading.

On 1 Feb 2018 at 16:16, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Of course,
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Regarding CSS -- do you pronounce the @ in @media?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
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> 



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Feb  1 16:46:24 2018
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 17:46:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>
References: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a889a49a-0fe4-ef33-1235-8fd08e36b56b@torchlake.com>

I would, but we all know how picky and peculiar I am. :-)

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 2/1/2018 3:54 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Regarding CSS -- do you pronounce the @ in @media?
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 16:49:20 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 17:49:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <5A739824.18912.8C633CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1i29BUC3LkPCepO+Fzfq9Ea-6EAAs71w1T=Lm0wm9Vtcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A739824.18912.8C633CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <020601d39bae$e691b580$b3b52080$@gmail.com>

Exactly. I'm glad you recognize my pain. ? 

Susan H. 



We're talking CSS/HTML here and the entity name is &COMMAT; (An abbreviation of "commercial at")

So would that be pronounced "at media" or "commat media" or maybe "at sign media" ?


Never make fun of someone if they mispronounce a word.
It means they learned it by reading.





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Feb  1 18:47:26 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 10:47:26 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <020601d39bae$e691b580$b3b52080$@gmail.com>
References: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>,
	<5A739824.18912.8C633CA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<020601d39bae$e691b580$b3b52080$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A73B51E.12936.9376509@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Persoanlly, I'd go for at media"

On 1 Feb 2018 at 17:49, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Exactly. I'm glad you recognize my pain.  
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
> 
> 
> We're talking CSS/HTML here and the entity name is &COMMAT; (An
> abbreviation of "commercial at")
> 
> So would that be pronounced "at media" or "commat media" or maybe "at
> sign media" ?
> 
> 
> Never make fun of someone if they mispronounce a word.
> It means they learned it by reading.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb  2 16:04:37 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 15:04:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>
References: <01a701d39b9e$ded4c360$9c7e4a20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2130268461.272304132.1517609077608.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Susan:

I do; @ = the "at" sign.

Jim

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Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 12:54:36 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] pronunciation

Regarding CSS -- do you pronounce the @ in @media? 

Susan H. 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 13:28:33 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:28:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>

There are several, the most notable being OpenOffice and LibreOffice. The
latter stemmed from a fork in the open-souce former, and has introduced
some new features, such as file-compatibility with MS Office, while still
embracing the Open Document format.

I personally have not upgraded MS Office since the patches to 2007. I tried
a couple of the evaluation copies, and saw no significant reason to
upgrade. And now that LibreOffice has in version 6.x document-compatibility
with MS Office, I think I'm almost free of MS Office.

On the other hand, and I recognize that this reason to stay appeals to a
select few, you included, the biggest thing is Visual Basic for
Applications (VBA). Not to inflate my tent too much, but thanks to VBA I
have written some spectacular code that combines Word, Access, and Excel,
and reduced in one case (Franklin Templeton) reduced what used to take two
persons two weeks apiece to one single button-click; the sequence of ops.
That's the single piece of Office that's missing from Libre and Open, and
sadly, it's essential.

-- 
Arthur

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Feb  4 02:19:30 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 03:19:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>

Agree, VBA and office integration is a critical missing piece. If the 
apps themselves are all that is needed, I like LibreOffice.


On 2/3/2018 2:28 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> There are several, the most notable being OpenOffice and LibreOffice. The
> latter stemmed from a fork in the open-souce former, and has introduced
> some new features, such as file-compatibility with MS Office, while still
> embracing the Open Document format.
>
> I personally have not upgraded MS Office since the patches to 2007. I tried
> a couple of the evaluation copies, and saw no significant reason to
> upgrade. And now that LibreOffice has in version 6.x document-compatibility
> with MS Office, I think I'm almost free of MS Office.
>
> On the other hand, and I recognize that this reason to stay appeals to a
> select few, you included, the biggest thing is Visual Basic for
> Applications (VBA). Not to inflate my tent too much, but thanks to VBA I
> have written some spectacular code that combines Word, Access, and Excel,
> and reduced in one case (Franklin Templeton) reduced what used to take two
> persons two weeks apiece to one single button-click; the sequence of ops.
> That's the single piece of Office that's missing from Libre and Open, and
> sadly, it's essential.
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Feb  4 07:29:28 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 08:29:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>

If all else is fairly equal between the alternatives, I think I would choose
the one with the most active online community. I receive a lot of requests
from readers wanting to know how to do something in their "Office
alternative..." -- I regret that I can't help them. 

Susan H. 


Agree, VBA and office integration is a critical missing piece. If the apps
themselves are all that is needed, I like LibreOffice.




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Feb  4 07:40:47 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 08:40:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
	<014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>

So the question arises, why doesn't somebody write a VBA for Linux? Way
beyond my skill set, but some of you people are way smarter than I, so...?

A.

?

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Feb  4 11:51:14 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:51:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
	<014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHH=O7ibhGQ1x+vTUKUZDkBx7GhJ7MrTcjH_K-PM0D_bg@mail.gmail.com>

LibreOffice has a version of Basic (LibreOffice Basic) built into it.

I don't know how extensive or feature rich it is compared to VBA, but
there is something there.

It also has an API that you can use to control LO from an outside application.

https://helponline.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/sbasic/shared/01010210.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=WIN

Ohh, and I just saw that they do support "a large portion of the
common usage patterns" of VBA.

https://helponline.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/sbasic/shared/vbasupport.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=WIN


B

On 4 February 2018 at 06:40, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> So the question arises, why doesn't somebody write a VBA for Linux? Way
> beyond my skill set, but some of you people are way smarter than I, so...?
>
> A.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Feb  4 12:24:29 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 18:24:29 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWHH=O7ibhGQ1x+vTUKUZDkBx7GhJ7MrTcjH_K-PM0D_bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
	<014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAAZtbWHH=O7ibhGQ1x+vTUKUZDkBx7GhJ7MrTcjH_K-PM0D_bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR1101MB2085419EA489316193C44DB5D8FF0@CY4PR1101MB2085.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

And iirc it can utilize open source data sources with SQL so you can put function calls directly into your database.

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Bryan Carbonnell<mailto:carbonnb at gmail.com>
Sent: ?2/?4/?2018 11:52 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office

LibreOffice has a version of Basic (LibreOffice Basic) built into it.

I don't know how extensive or feature rich it is compared to VBA, but
there is something there.

It also has an API that you can use to control LO from an outside application.

https://helponline.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/sbasic/shared/01010210.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=WIN

Ohh, and I just saw that they do support "a large portion of the
common usage patterns" of VBA.

https://helponline.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/sbasic/shared/vbasupport.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=WIN


B

On 4 February 2018 at 06:40, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> So the question arises, why doesn't somebody write a VBA for Linux? Way
> beyond my skill set, but some of you people are way smarter than I, so...?
>
> A.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Feb  4 13:16:55 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 12:16:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <1980276646.224688320.1516165073026.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129F9F2C7E642783A3CA17DCAB10@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<626951468.506575893.1507751280494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<816911481.519224918.1508206390537.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1459739164.521315390.1508273722669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<44604559.522219041.1508300556559.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<935282427.115806079.1512707140518.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<882316721.205048083.1515550430257.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1980276646.224688320.1516165073026.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1416569932.276816290.1517771815872.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Here is a great cartoon and how to make a good password that is easy for a person remember but extremely for a computer to guess:

https://xkcd.com/936/

Jim

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  5 14:40:29 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 14:40:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hQhr+9c7UJdMeCdG4Lu5JQG063oa8267eqVW=H7ygyHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
	<014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<736ec905-b4ac-95ac-2195-9cd3c03f5439@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1hQhr+9c7UJdMeCdG4Lu5JQG063oa8267eqVW=H7ygyHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7a625165-2f81-37e5-2dfd-796b2a6877c1@earthlink.net>

On 2/5/2018 13:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I promise that I shall look into it. That could become a hobby for the 
> next year or two. I know one or two things about VBA and have written 
> tons of code in that language.

Right. Googling for "port vba to libreoffice" brings up 
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/36699/how-to-convert-macro-of-vba-of-ms-excel-to-libreoffice-calc/ 
which says ...

"VBA cannot be adopted [sic] into calc."

... and https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=88044 
which says ...

"The MS VBA and the API+StarBasic are not compatibile. You must use the 
native fileformats and must rewrite all of your macros based on the 
Application Programming Interface of the AOO, if you want work with the 
macros efficiently in the Apache OpenOffice."

... which seems to suggest that MS macro-support code hardwires its file 
formats and other details, what a surprise.

PB



>
> A.
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Peter Brawley 
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net <mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 2/4/2018 7:40, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>         So the question arises, why doesn't somebody write a VBA for
>         Linux? Way
>         beyond my skill set, but some of you people are way smarter
>         than I, so...?
>
>
>     Good question, Basic is an execrable language but reams of
>     Windows/VBA code are there to be ported, why isn't anyone doing it?
>
>     PB
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Arthur
>


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  5 14:41:05 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 14:41:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hQhr+9c7UJdMeCdG4Lu5JQG063oa8267eqVW=H7ygyHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
	<014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<736ec905-b4ac-95ac-2195-9cd3c03f5439@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1hQhr+9c7UJdMeCdG4Lu5JQG063oa8267eqVW=H7ygyHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcdf7c6c-cf91-ce86-622d-a14898a7f62f@earthlink.net>



On 2/5/2018 13:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I promise that I shall look into it. That could become a hobby for the 
> next year or two. I know one or two things about VBA and have written 
> tons of code in that language.

And https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros suggests that porting MS 
Office macros to LibreOffice would involve porting from V BA to Python.

PB

------

>
> A.
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Peter Brawley 
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net <mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 2/4/2018 7:40, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>         So the question arises, why doesn't somebody write a VBA for
>         Linux? Way
>         beyond my skill set, but some of you people are way smarter
>         than I, so...?
>
>
>     Good question, Basic is an execrable language but reams of
>     Windows/VBA code are there to be ported, why isn't anyone doing it?
>
>     PB
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Arthur
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 14:57:25 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:57:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <fcdf7c6c-cf91-ce86-622d-a14898a7f62f@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
	<014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<736ec905-b4ac-95ac-2195-9cd3c03f5439@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1hQhr+9c7UJdMeCdG4Lu5JQG063oa8267eqVW=H7ygyHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<fcdf7c6c-cf91-ce86-622d-a14898a7f62f@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hSQxHRHARrevdUpYf=ZATtcg_LzmTEN8cUEe4qXnryYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Somebody along this thread has confused VBA with macros. They are a tad
compatible but at the end of the day radically different. VBA is a language
that can combine Word, Excel and Access (also PowerPoint, but I don't work
in that) into an app that can do wondrous things. To cite just one example,
I wrote an app for Franklin Templeton that a) imported about 100
spreadsheets per month-end, grabbed their significant results, created a
~100 sheet workbook from said results, exported those results into an
Access database for safekeeping, and piped those results into a Word
template-document, which was in turn sent to ~500 key players in a dozen
cities. Total execution time was ~5 minutes.

I'm not bragging about my skills. Any competent VBA developer could have
done the same, in more or less hours than I billed. This is intended as a
statement about the power of VBA; if and when LibreOffice or OpenOffice
reaches this level, I will happily jump ship and go there. But we are a
very long way from that.

A.

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
>
> On 2/5/2018 13:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> I promise that I shall look into it. That could become a hobby for the
>> next year or two. I know one or two things about VBA and have written tons
>> of code in that language.
>>
>
> And https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros suggests that porting MS
> Office macros to LibreOffice would involve porting from V BA to Python.
>
> PB
>
> ------
>
>
>> A.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Peter Brawley <
>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net <mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 2/4/2018 7:40, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>         So the question arises, why doesn't somebody write a VBA for
>>         Linux? Way
>>         beyond my skill set, but some of you people are way smarter
>>         than I, so...?
>>
>>
>>     Good question, Basic is an execrable language but reams of
>>     Windows/VBA code are there to be ported, why isn't anyone doing it?
>>
>>     PB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>>
>>
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-- 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 17:34:41 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:34:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternatives to MS Office
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hSQxHRHARrevdUpYf=ZATtcg_LzmTEN8cUEe4qXnryYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i89pXucvWgPq_B2B4EBwmG+KMdPuTNzK1Eqd5MKPCAVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a39f3b9a-5442-e9ad-1838-2ee397d34bad@Gmail.com>
	<014e01d39dbc$2f06bea0$8d143be0$@gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1ihRwNVWJUAJuo+CG4f2Q1eqyJrxxHkah6C=zMrHgLJzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<736ec905-b4ac-95ac-2195-9cd3c03f5439@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1hQhr+9c7UJdMeCdG4Lu5JQG063oa8267eqVW=H7ygyHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<fcdf7c6c-cf91-ce86-622d-a14898a7f62f@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1hSQxHRHARrevdUpYf=ZATtcg_LzmTEN8cUEe4qXnryYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGtekKgX_R38WvkBbmzUPnV4QJ+0FD8cCTLt8fgs_px-Q@mail.gmail.com>

The only place VBA and Macros are different is in Access. Word, Excel
and even Powerpoint macros are all VBA code.

In Access Macros are a totally different animal from VBA.

B

On 5 February 2018 at 13:57, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Somebody along this thread has confused VBA with macros. They are a tad
> compatible but at the end of the day radically different. VBA is a language
> that can combine Word, Excel and Access (also PowerPoint, but I don't work
> in that) into an app that can do wondrous things. To cite just one example,
> I wrote an app for Franklin Templeton that a) imported about 100
> spreadsheets per month-end, grabbed their significant results, created a
> ~100 sheet workbook from said results, exported those results into an
> Access database for safekeeping, and piped those results into a Word
> template-document, which was in turn sent to ~500 key players in a dozen
> cities. Total execution time was ~5 minutes.
>
> I'm not bragging about my skills. Any competent VBA developer could have
> done the same, in more or less hours than I billed. This is intended as a
> statement about the power of VBA; if and when LibreOffice or OpenOffice
> reaches this level, I will happily jump ship and go there. But we are a
> very long way from that.
>
> A.
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2/5/2018 13:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I promise that I shall look into it. That could become a hobby for the
>>> next year or two. I know one or two things about VBA and have written tons
>>> of code in that language.
>>>
>>
>> And https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros suggests that porting MS
>> Office macros to LibreOffice would involve porting from V BA to Python.
>>
>> PB
>>
>> ------
>>
>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Peter Brawley <
>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net <mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 2/4/2018 7:40, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>         So the question arises, why doesn't somebody write a VBA for
>>>         Linux? Way
>>>         beyond my skill set, but some of you people are way smarter
>>>         than I, so...?
>>>
>>>
>>>     Good question, Basic is an execrable language but reams of
>>>     Windows/VBA code are there to be ported, why isn't anyone doing it?
>>>
>>>     PB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
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-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 21:07:56 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:07:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
Message-ID: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>

I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very
unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online
Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't
figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it. 

Or either of these possible? 

I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me
create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns --
and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet. 

The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route
for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed. 

Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan H. 


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Feb  6 21:10:33 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 03:10:33 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A4803E@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Microsoft forms office 365

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?07/?02/?2018 03:09
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very
unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online
Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't
figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.

Or either of these possible?

I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me
create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns --
and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.

The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route
for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.

Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan H.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 21:14:42 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:14:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A4803E@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A4803E@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <00fd01d39fc1$cd6bb990$68432cb0$@gmail.com>

As I mentioned to John, they appear to be too limited. I need to limit input
to dropdown lists. I don't see that possibility. Can you do that? 

Susan H. 


Microsoft forms office 365

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?07/?02/?2018 03:09
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very
unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online
Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't
figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.

Or either of these possible?

I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me
create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns --
and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.

The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route
for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.

Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan H.

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From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Feb  6 22:08:19 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 04:08:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <00fd01d39fc1$cd6bb990$68432cb0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A4803E@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<00fd01d39fc1$cd6bb990$68432cb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CO1PR19MB0807D9A20EA0920A7BE30AECF6FC0@CO1PR19MB0807.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

One of my former customers used 'Voting Buttons' in Outlook fairly often.  I looked it up once and it seemed pretty easy to set up.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: February 6, 2018 21:15
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

As I mentioned to John, they appear to be too limited. I need to limit input to dropdown lists. I don't see that possibility. Can you do that? 

Susan H. 


Microsoft forms office 365

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Susan Harkins<mailto:ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: ?07/?02/?2018 03:09
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.

Or either of these possible?

I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.

The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.

Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan H.

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  6 22:54:14 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:54:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8433922a-136e-c3da-1698-dde36568f665@earthlink.net>

On 2/6/2018 21:07, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online
> Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't
> figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me
> create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns --
> and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route
> for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan,

They're a snap in PHP. This one grabs its dropdown entries from MySQL 
but it's every bit as easy writing to MSSQL ...

|<html>
<head>
|<script?type='text/Javascript'>
 ????function?submit(?f?)?{
 ??????f.submit();
 ????}
 ??</script>|
</head>
<body>
<form>
|
|<?php
$conn = mysqli_connnect(...);
$resfoo = mysqli_query( $conn, "SELECT?foo?FROM?footable" )
 ????????? or exit( "Cannot?retrieve?foo?values" );
echo "<b>Foo?Value:</b>&nbsp;n";
echo "?<select?name='foo'?onChange='submit(this.form)'>n";
while( $row = mysqli_fetch_row( $resfoo ))?{
$sel =?( $table === $row[0]?)?? "id='sel'?selected" : "";
printf( "?<option?%s?value='%s'>%s</option>n", $sel, $row[0], $row[0]?);
}
echo "?</select>n";
echo 
"?<input?id='edit'?type='button'?value='Pick?a?foo'?onClick='submit(this.form)'>n";
?>|
|
</form>
</body></html>

PB

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|


>
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>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb  7 02:06:18 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 08:06:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Susan

I haven't tried, but this page mentions dropdowns:

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-create-online-forms-in-excel

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 7. februar 2018 04:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it. 

Or either of these possible? 

I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet. 

The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed. 

Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 05:59:49 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 06:59:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <008d01d3a00b$287447f0$795cd7d0$@gmail.com>

I saw that. 

I hate to sound like one of those people that keeps making excuses... because I really do appreciate all the suggestions. It might be a good option. 

I know this is going to sound like a rookie question because of course, that's what I am in this respect -- where does that HTML file go? How to users access it? 

Also, I'd rather not pay for a converter, but I might take advantage of a free trial and if it's the best way to go, I will. Free trials are grand! ? 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan

I haven't tried, but this page mentions dropdowns:

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-create-online-forms-in-excel

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 7. februar 2018 04:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it. 

Or either of these possible? 

I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet. 

The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed. 

Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 06:02:05 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 07:02:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <8433922a-136e-c3da-1698-dde36568f665@earthlink.net>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<8433922a-136e-c3da-1698-dde36568f665@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009a01d3a00b$79399e60$6bacdb20$@gmail.com>

That was one of the OT crew suggestions too. I don't know php but don't mind learning enough of it to make that happen. My one consideration is that this is a pro bono project for a nonprofit. They need something that I can show them how to support it when I'm not available -- if I can come up with one. 

Thank you!
Susan H. 


On 2/6/2018 21:07, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very 
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel 
> Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. 
> Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will 
> let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated 
> dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest 
> route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan,

They're a snap in PHP. This one grabs its dropdown entries from MySQL but it's every bit as easy writing to MSSQL ...

|<html>
<head>
|<script type='text/Javascript'>
     function submit( f ) {
       f.submit();
     }
   </script>|
</head>
<body>
<form>
|
|<?php
$conn = mysqli_connnect(...);
$resfoo = mysqli_query( $conn, "SELECT foo FROM footable" )
           or exit( "Cannot retrieve foo values" ); echo "<b>Foo Value:</b>&nbsp;n"; echo " <select name='foo' onChange='submit(this.form)'>n"; while( $row = mysqli_fetch_row( $resfoo )) { $sel = ( $table === $row[0] ) ? "id='sel' selected" : ""; printf( " <option %s value='%s'>%s</option>n", $sel, $row[0], $row[0] ); } echo " </select>n"; echo " <input id='edit' type='button' value='Pick a foo' onClick='submit(this.form)'>n"; ?>|
|
</form>
</body></html>

PB

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|


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>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb  7 07:19:21 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 13:19:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1129D5B1BCD13AA711BCE089CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Susan

You'll put them on an a web server and provide a URL.
>From that you will somehow retrieve the responses.

I won't play with it until a firm order should drop in the mailbox. Too expensive for my taste.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 7. februar 2018 13:00
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I saw that. 

I hate to sound like one of those people that keeps making excuses... because I really do appreciate all the suggestions. It might be a good option. 

I know this is going to sound like a rookie question because of course, that's what I am in this respect -- where does that HTML file go? How to users access it? 

Also, I'd rather not pay for a converter, but I might take advantage of a free trial and if it's the best way to go, I will. Free trials are grand! ? 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan

I haven't tried, but this page mentions dropdowns:

https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-create-online-forms-in-excel

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 7. februar 2018 04:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it. 

Or either of these possible? 

I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet. 

The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed. 

Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 09:04:53 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:04:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<8433922a-136e-c3da-1698-dde36568f665@earthlink.net> 
Message-ID: <00b301d3a025$02d628a0$088279e0$@gmail.com>

Well, the quickest and easiest method so far is an Excel Online Form or Survey. Both have limitations as far as presenting and entering data, but it's a good temporary solution. It's a great temporary solution. 

Susan H. 
 

That was one of the OT crew suggestions too. I don't know php but don't mind learning enough of it to make that happen. My one consideration is that this is a pro bono project for a nonprofit. They need something that I can show them how to support it when I'm not available -- if I can come up with one. 

Thank you!
Susan H. 


On 2/6/2018 21:07, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very 
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel 
> Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns.
> Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will 
> let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated 
> dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest 
> route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan,

They're a snap in PHP. This one grabs its dropdown entries from MySQL but it's every bit as easy writing to MSSQL ...

|<html>
<head>
|<script type='text/Javascript'>
     function submit( f ) {
       f.submit();
     }
   </script>|
</head>
<body>
<form>
|
|<?php
$conn = mysqli_connnect(...);
$resfoo = mysqli_query( $conn, "SELECT foo FROM footable" )
           or exit( "Cannot retrieve foo values" ); echo "<b>Foo Value:</b>&nbsp;n"; echo " <select name='foo' onChange='submit(this.form)'>n"; while( $row = mysqli_fetch_row( $resfoo )) { $sel = ( $table === $row[0] ) ? "id='sel' selected" : ""; printf( " <option %s value='%s'>%s</option>n", $sel, $row[0], $row[0] ); } echo " </select>n"; echo " <input id='edit' type='button' value='Pick a foo' onClick='submit(this.form)'>n"; ?>|
|
</form>
</body></html>

PB

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb  7 10:00:25 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:00:25 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1129D462D45A1F93828D0455CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Susan

I played a little with Forms. Really nice for surveys and the like.
A combobox could in most cases be replaced by a group of radio buttons. After all, how many options would you have for an input in this kind of application?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 7. februar 2018 16:05
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

Well, the quickest and easiest method so far is an Excel Online Form or Survey. Both have limitations as far as presenting and entering data, but it's a good temporary solution. It's a great temporary solution. 

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 10:08:56 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 11:08:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1129D462D45A1F93828D0455CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129D462D45A1F93828D0455CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <011301d3a02d$f580d570$e0828050$@gmail.com>

Well, the group has dozens of people and originally I had hoped to offer a
list of names to avoid typos. It might be a bit awkward to offer that many
names in a simple dropdown, but better than entering a typo. Right now I'm a
bit confused about the differences in Microsoft Forms, OneDrive for Business
Excel Forms, Excel Online, OneDrive Surveys -- they're all just a tad
different. The first three all seem to be the same thing and require 365.
OneDrive Surveys seems to be the only option that doesn't require 365. 

Susan H. 


Hi Susan

I played a little with Forms. Really nice for surveys and the like.
A combobox could in most cases be replaced by a group of radio buttons.
After all, how many options would you have for an input in this kind of
application?

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  7 11:17:28 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:17:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <00b301d3a025$02d628a0$088279e0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<8433922a-136e-c3da-1698-dde36568f665@earthlink.net>
	<00b301d3a025$02d628a0$088279e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1474283964.285315852.1518023848056.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Susan:

That's the problem. To have all the features you/they need requires a custom project. Even the simplest methods are easy up until that last 5 percent. (But of course that is why you get paid the big bucks. ;-))

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 7:04:53 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

Well, the quickest and easiest method so far is an Excel Online Form or Survey. Both have limitations as far as presenting and entering data, but it's a good temporary solution. It's a great temporary solution. 

Susan H. 
 

That was one of the OT crew suggestions too. I don't know php but don't mind learning enough of it to make that happen. My one consideration is that this is a pro bono project for a nonprofit. They need something that I can show them how to support it when I'm not available -- if I can come up with one. 

Thank you!
Susan H. 


On 2/6/2018 21:07, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very 
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel 
> Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns.
> Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will 
> let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated 
> dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest 
> route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!

Susan,

They're a snap in PHP. This one grabs its dropdown entries from MySQL but it's every bit as easy writing to MSSQL ...

|<html>

|'text</span>/<span word="Javascript'" id="DWT2791" class="ZM-SPELLCHECK-MISSPELLED">Javascript'</span>><br>     function submit( f ) {<br>       f.submit();<br>     }<br>   |



|
|php
$conn = mysqli_connnect(...);
$resfoo = mysqli_query( $conn, "SELECT foo FROM footable" )
           or exit( "Cannot retrieve foo values" ); echo "Foo Value:&nbsp;n"; echo " 'foo' onChange='submit(this.form)'>n"; while( $row = mysqli_fetch_row( $resfoo )) { $sel = ( $table === $row[0] ) ? "id='sel' selected" : ""; printf( " s'>%sn", $sel, $row[0], $row[0] ); } echo " n"; echo " 'edit' type='button' value='Pick a foo' onClick='submit(this.form)'>n"; ?>|
|

html>

PB

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>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  7 11:22:50 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 11:22:50 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <009a01d3a00b$79399e60$6bacdb20$@gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<8433922a-136e-c3da-1698-dde36568f665@earthlink.net>
	<009a01d3a00b$79399e60$6bacdb20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5daaa958-276b-7174-accf-16f8fbb6ab6c@earthlink.net>

On 2/7/2018 6:02, Susan Harkins wrote:
> That was one of the OT crew suggestions too. I don't know php but don't mind learning enough of it to make that happen. My one consideration is that this is a pro bono project for a nonprofit. They need something that I can show them how to support it when I'm not available -- if I can come up with one.

PHP has the quickest learning curve of any language I know. Most web 
hosting companies support it.

PB

-----

>
> Thank you!
> Susan H.
>
>
> On 2/6/2018 21:07, Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very
>> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel
>> Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns.
>> Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>>
>> Or either of these possible?
>>
>> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will
>> let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated
>> dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.
>>
>> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest
>> route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>>
>> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!
> Susan,
>
> They're a snap in PHP. This one grabs its dropdown entries from MySQL but it's every bit as easy writing to MSSQL ...
>
> |<html>
> <head>
> |<script type='text/Javascript'>
>       function submit( f ) {
>         f.submit();
>       }
>     </script>|
> </head>
> <body>
> <form>
> |
> |<?php
> $conn = mysqli_connnect(...);
> $resfoo = mysqli_query( $conn, "SELECT foo FROM footable" )
>             or exit( "Cannot retrieve foo values" ); echo "<b>Foo Value:</b>&nbsp;n"; echo " <select name='foo' onChange='submit(this.form)'>n"; while( $row = mysqli_fetch_row( $resfoo )) { $sel = ( $table === $row[0] ) ? "id='sel' selected" : ""; printf( " <option %s value='%s'>%s</option>n", $sel, $row[0], $row[0] ); } echo " </select>n"; echo " <input id='edit' type='button' value='Pick a foo' onClick='submit(this.form)'>n"; ?>|
> |
> </form>
> </body></html>
>
> PB
>
> -----
> |
>
>
>> Susan H.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 11:46:54 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:46:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFx6TA288rn8EZ_EYSX8NutT=RuX3g5qhN3-88gBiBa1g@mail.gmail.com>

Since you have mentioned Google Sheets, why not try Google Forms?

You can create a form, with or without the need for the respondent to
have a Google account.

It allows you to build Combo boxes among other input methods.

Or are you trying to build the form using sheet input?

B

On 6 February 2018 at 20:07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel Online
> Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. Also, I can't
> figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will let me
> create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated dropdowns --
> and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest route
> for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 12:42:10 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 13:42:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFx6TA288rn8EZ_EYSX8NutT=RuX3g5qhN3-88gBiBa1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWFx6TA288rn8EZ_EYSX8NutT=RuX3g5qhN3-88gBiBa1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <026501d3a043$5d5b64c0$18122e40$@gmail.com>

I really don't like Google Docs, but that's where I started. My biggest need
is a dropdown list, preferably one that I can populate from sheet data --
that doesn't seem to be an option for 365. One of the Microsoft form options
offers a dropdown list, but you have to manually enter the values, which
isn't terrible by any means -- I'd have to update the list as the group adds
and loses members, but I'd have to do that to a list at the sheet level as
well. 

Susan H. 

Since you have mentioned Google Sheets, why not try Google Forms?

You can create a form, with or without the need for the respondent to have a
Google account.

It allows you to build Combo boxes among other input methods.

Or are you trying to build the form using sheet input?

B

On 6 February 2018 at 20:07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very 
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel 
> Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. 
> Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will 
> let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated 
> dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't
tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest 
> route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb  7 14:24:55 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 06:24:55 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <5daaa958-276b-7174-accf-16f8fbb6ab6c@earthlink.net>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>,
	<009a01d3a00b$79399e60$6bacdb20$@gmail.com>,
	<5daaa958-276b-7174-accf-16f8fbb6ab6c@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5A7B6097.11171.272D32EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

This Quora post crossed my desk the other day.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-PHP-programmers-are-not-considered-as-real-progra
mmers

You could subsititue Access/VBA for PHP in the comments and it would repeat what we have 
all been saying for years :)
...
Typical response:
<begin quote>
"PHP is so simple for any developer (someone who?s already learned programming itself) to 
learn that it?s gotten such a bad reputation - because people with no idea of how to build 
websites can build garbage with PHP."

It's so easy to get started with PHP that a lot of people just do that and produce a lot of 
amateur code, leading to a bad reputation not only of the language, but also of the people 
writing in it.
<end quote>

--
Stuart

On 7 Feb 2018 at 11:22, Peter Brawley wrote:

> On 2/7/2018 6:02, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > That was one of the OT crew suggestions too. I don't know php but
> > don't mind learning enough of it to make that happen. My one
> > consideration is that this is a pro bono project for a nonprofit.
> > They need something that I can show them how to support it when I'm
> > not available -- if I can come up with one.
>
> PHP has the quickest learning curve of any language I know. Most web
> hosting companies support it.
>
> PB
>
> -----



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  7 15:03:47 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:03:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <026501d3a043$5d5b64c0$18122e40$@gmail.com>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>
	<CAAZtbWFx6TA288rn8EZ_EYSX8NutT=RuX3g5qhN3-88gBiBa1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<026501d3a043$5d5b64c0$18122e40$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1996591527.286014763.1518037427199.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

There is a lot more complex forms in Google (all for free) if you want to go that route. My daughter took about a day and a half to build an entire website to her preferences. It was all done via drag and drop. Here is a link to a blog input form that stores all the detail on to a Google spreadsheet back-end. Working Example:

https://sites.google.com/view/kflamenco/contact

I don't think she had to write a single piece of code. The following is the link to the form sample options page. Again it is all drag and drop. You just select the feature you want, drag to the working windows, drop the object where you want it...in this case a form, position it, size it, add and subtract the entry fields, modify and caption the field, position the save button and done. The content of the fields are all saved into a spreadsheet, that you, as the site owner, can retrieve. Note the Google spreadsheet is complete compatible with Microsoft Excel:

https://www.google.com/forms/about/?utm_source=product&utm_medium=forms_logo&utm_campaign=forms  
http://bit.ly/2BgKSIP

...And the following is the form builder page:

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/

To make a test page after the form has been constructed to your liking, just right mouse check on the working form, select the option, view page source, select the entire page , open a text document on your desktop, move to text doc and deposit the contents in the text doc and save. Either immediately name the text document or rename it to something like "MyFormTest.html". After that you can just double click in the file and it should automatically display in you default browser. Easy peasy. You can go back to the builder page as often as you want and trick up a form to your exact specification. ...Have fun. :-)

This should all be super simple for you, after all you wrote two books on how to build websites using Adobe Dreamweaver...I have both of them. :-)
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:42:10 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I really don't like Google Docs, but that's where I started. My biggest need
is a dropdown list, preferably one that I can populate from sheet data --
that doesn't seem to be an option for 365. One of the Microsoft form options
offers a dropdown list, but you have to manually enter the values, which
isn't terrible by any means -- I'd have to update the list as the group adds
and loses members, but I'd have to do that to a list at the sheet level as
well. 

Susan H. 

Since you have mentioned Google Sheets, why not try Google Forms?

You can create a form, with or without the need for the respondent to have a
Google account.

It allows you to build Combo boxes among other input methods.

Or are you trying to build the form using sheet input?

B

On 6 February 2018 at 20:07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very 
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel 
> Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns. 
> Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will 
> let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated 
> dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I haven't
tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest 
> route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 16:15:28 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 17:15:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <1996591527.286014763.1518037427199.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>	<CAAZtbWFx6TA288rn8EZ_EYSX8NutT=RuX3g5qhN3-88gBiBa1g@mail.gmail.com>	<026501d3a043$5d5b64c0$18122e40$@gmail.com>
	<1996591527.286014763.1518037427199.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <04a701d3a061$29422930$7bc67b90$@gmail.com>

I appreciate that, but I didn't write any of the web stuff, just the
database stuff. I haven't a clue about web development. I've missed that
boat. 

Susan H. 

This should all be super simple for you, after all you wrote two books on
how to build websites using Adobe Dreamweaver...I have both of them. :-)
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:42:10 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution

I really don't like Google Docs, but that's where I started. My biggest need
is a dropdown list, preferably one that I can populate from sheet data --
that doesn't seem to be an option for 365. One of the Microsoft form options
offers a dropdown list, but you have to manually enter the values, which
isn't terrible by any means -- I'd have to update the list as the group adds
and loses members, but I'd have to do that to a list at the sheet level as
well. 

Susan H. 

Since you have mentioned Google Sheets, why not try Google Forms?

You can create a form, with or without the need for the respondent to have a
Google account.

It allows you to build Combo boxes among other input methods.

Or are you trying to build the form using sheet input?

B

On 6 February 2018 at 20:07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from very 
> unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found Excel 
> Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using dropdowns.
> Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've saved and shared it.
>
> Or either of these possible?
>
> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that will 
> let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need populated 
> dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on those. I 
> haven't
tried yet.
>
> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and quickest 
> route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the forms as needed.
>
> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!
>
> Susan H.
>
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body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 12 13:12:23 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:12:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Truly a blast from past.

Now you can install Wimamp on your web pages with all the features or just run it on your computer. It will run on all platforms and on all browsers but it has an aversion to the IE browser (like everything else does):

https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/

You can download the app/source code/help via GitHub:

https://github.com/captbaritone/winamp2-js

Jim



 

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 12 14:44:22 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:44:22 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
In-Reply-To: <1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4e414447-cae5-7db5-c4ff-c6025de70b71@earthlink.net>

On 2/12/2018 13:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Truly a blast from past.
>
> Now you can install Wimamp on your web pages with all the features or just run it on your computer. It will run on all platforms and on all browsers but it has an aversion to the IE browser (like everything else does):
>
> https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/
>
> You can download the app/source code/help via GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/captbaritone/winamp2-js

What would make it preferable to VideoLan?

P


>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 12 23:14:57 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:14:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
In-Reply-To: <4e414447-cae5-7db5-c4ff-c6025de70b71@earthlink.net>
References: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<4e414447-cae5-7db5-c4ff-c6025de70b71@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1203378210.300699893.1518498897128.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

Nothing really, except that the entire application is now written in easy to edit JavaScript. This allows it to be actually run from/on a desktop, from a server, across a network, across the internet, run via any modern browser, from any website and then it can be edited to look and act like anything a host/developer would want.

The creator of this project just decided that, for nostalgia sake, the app should look and act like the old Winapp program. :-)

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44:22 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip

On 2/12/2018 13:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Truly a blast from past.
>
> Now you can install Wimamp on your web pages with all the features or just run it on your computer. It will run on all platforms and on all browsers but it has an aversion to the IE browser (like everything else does):
>
> https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/
>
> You can download the app/source code/help via GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/captbaritone/winamp2-js

What would make it preferable to VideoLan?

P


>
> Jim
>
>
>
>   
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 12 23:30:35 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 23:30:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
In-Reply-To: <1203378210.300699893.1518498897128.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<4e414447-cae5-7db5-c4ff-c6025de70b71@earthlink.net>
	<1203378210.300699893.1518498897128.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <e0daa6c1-fef0-ef2e-1e24-1009b8c48154@earthlink.net>

On 2/12/2018 23:14, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Nothing really, except that the entire application is now written in easy to edit JavaScript. This allows it to be actually run from/on a desktop, from a server, across a network, across the internet, run via any modern browser, from any website and then it can be edited to look and act like anything a host/developer would want.
>
> The creator of this project just decided that, for nostalgia sake, the app should look and act like the old Winapp program. :-)

Mebbe somebody will build a Studebaker on a 3D printer :-).

PB

------

>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
>
> On 2/12/2018 13:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Truly a blast from past.
>>
>> Now you can install Wimamp on your web pages with all the features or just run it on your computer. It will run on all platforms and on all browsers but it has an aversion to the IE browser (like everything else does):
>>
>> https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/
>>
>> You can download the app/source code/help via GitHub:
>>
>> https://github.com/captbaritone/winamp2-js
> What would make it preferable to VideoLan?
>
> P
>
>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>    
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 13 01:18:21 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 07:18:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1129C4F2F33357E6C4AE7742CAF60@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

Sorry to say, but his efforts have turned into an excellent example of the horror of skeuomorphism.

The rendering sets the interface so tiny on a normal desktop that it is close to be inoperable, but - if you can manage and are a brave person not afraid of the wilderness - click top-left on the system icon (a tiny sinus wave) and select the skins one by one. 

After a few, you will probably shut this piece down once and forever. If you continue, be warned: It will take some minutes to regain appetite. But be strong - after a while you'll be able to pick a strong cup of coffee and an Oreo - well deserved, you did it.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley
Sendt: 13. februar 2018 06:31
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip

On 2/12/2018 23:14, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Nothing really, except that the entire application is now written in easy to edit JavaScript. This allows it to be actually run from/on a desktop, from a server, across a network, across the internet, run via any modern browser, from any website and then it can be edited to look and act like anything a host/developer would want.
>
> The creator of this project just decided that, for nostalgia sake, the 
> app should look and act like the old Winapp program. :-)

Mebbe somebody will build a Studebaker on a 3D printer :-).

PB

------

> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
>
> On 2/12/2018 13:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Truly a blast from past.
>>
>> Now you can install Wimamp on your web pages with all the features or just run it on your computer. It will run on all platforms and on all browsers but it has an aversion to the IE browser (like everything else does):
>>
>> https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/
>>
>> You can download the app/source code/help via GitHub:
>>
>> https://github.com/captbaritone/winamp2-js
> What would make it preferable to VideoLan?
>
> P
>
>
>> Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 13 11:43:57 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:43:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
In-Reply-To: <e0daa6c1-fef0-ef2e-1e24-1009b8c48154@earthlink.net>
References: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<4e414447-cae5-7db5-c4ff-c6025de70b71@earthlink.net>
	<1203378210.300699893.1518498897128.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<e0daa6c1-fef0-ef2e-1e24-1009b8c48154@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1367989031.302073206.1518543837010.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

In this day and age and with access to a large 3D printer, it is quite possible. :-)

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:30:35 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip

On 2/12/2018 23:14, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Nothing really, except that the entire application is now written in easy to edit JavaScript. This allows it to be actually run from/on a desktop, from a server, across a network, across the internet, run via any modern browser, from any website and then it can be edited to look and act like anything a host/developer would want.
>
> The creator of this project just decided that, for nostalgia sake, the app should look and act like the old Winapp program. :-)

Mebbe somebody will build a Studebaker on a 3D printer :-).

PB

------

>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
>
> On 2/12/2018 13:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Truly a blast from past.
>>
>> Now you can install Wimamp on your web pages with all the features or just run it on your computer. It will run on all platforms and on all browsers but it has an aversion to the IE browser (like everything else does):
>>
>> https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/
>>
>> You can download the app/source code/help via GitHub:
>>
>> https://github.com/captbaritone/winamp2-js
> What would make it preferable to VideoLan?
>
> P
>
>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>    
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 13 15:43:26 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:43:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1129C4F2F33357E6C4AE7742CAF60@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129C4F2F33357E6C4AE7742CAF60@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <861185129.302780833.1518558206396.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

This project is more like a proof-of-concept as it could never be commercially viable. Clients inter-face with browser based application rather than desktop type programs, these days, migrating an old desktop program to browser app is just an example of how far we have moved towards full functionality within our browsers.

I will probably download the app and pull it apart and see how it works. It would be nice to have a adaptable (fit to any video real-estate) version of a music player. The Winamp app is not my choice of a music player front end either...maybe a nice clean Google/Microsoft modern design?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:18:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip

Hi Jim

Sorry to say, but his efforts have turned into an excellent example of the horror of skeuomorphism.

The rendering sets the interface so tiny on a normal desktop that it is close to be inoperable, but - if you can manage and are a brave person not afraid of the wilderness - click top-left on the system icon (a tiny sinus wave) and select the skins one by one. 

After a few, you will probably shut this piece down once and forever. If you continue, be warned: It will take some minutes to regain appetite. But be strong - after a while you'll be able to pick a strong cup of coffee and an Oreo - well deserved, you did it.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley
Sendt: 13. februar 2018 06:31
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip

On 2/12/2018 23:14, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Nothing really, except that the entire application is now written in easy to edit JavaScript. This allows it to be actually run from/on a desktop, from a server, across a network, across the internet, run via any modern browser, from any website and then it can be edited to look and act like anything a host/developer would want.
>
> The creator of this project just decided that, for nostalgia sake, the 
> app should look and act like the old Winapp program. :-)

Mebbe somebody will build a Studebaker on a 3D printer :-).

PB

------

> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Winamp in JavaScrip
>
> On 2/12/2018 13:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Truly a blast from past.
>>
>> Now you can install Wimamp on your web pages with all the features or just run it on your computer. It will run on all platforms and on all browsers but it has an aversion to the IE browser (like everything else does):
>>
>> https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/
>>
>> You can download the app/source code/help via GitHub:
>>
>> https://github.com/captbaritone/winamp2-js
> What would make it preferable to VideoLan?
>
> P
>
>
>> Jim 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Feb 15 04:33:32 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:33:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:

Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334

Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/

Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.

/gustav

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 11:14:34 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:14:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] WordPress or something else?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gzEb7qj+M_A3LFH9kX6Ue23R-9=t_BvprOmW2pLgwRFg@mail.gmail.com>

After lo these many years, I have decided that it's time to create my own
website. Given my limited fixed income, cost is of the essence, the ideal
being Free. It appears that WordPress will at least let me start a blog for
free, but it also appears that this option alone will cover some of the
bases but not all.

Besides wanting the site from which to launch my frequent opinions on
various subjects, I would also like to provide access to to the hundreds of
articles I have written on Access, SQL Server, MySQL, and Data-Modeling in
general; in addition, I have written a lot, and intend to continue writing
about, various topics related to Philosophy, Politics and Science. The
first three would seem to demand the ability to attach zip files to the
articles of interest, of which there are several dozen articles with sample
code in various forms, ranging from code blocks to sample databases, and I
don't think that's possible with a simple blog. The latter three topics
could be all lumped together at random into a single blog, or perhaps
categories might be a better approach. Not sure about which might have
greater appeal (assuming that anyone shares my interests in these subjects).

I do have a spare computer that I could turn into a web-server and run it
from home, but I'm guessing that the I/O will suck.

I can afford a few bucks a month for a genuine host. Assuming that's a
better direction, then I need to figure out how to design and develop the
site locally, and then post updates and additions to the actual host. I
won't need massive GB for the zips, since they all consist of small sample
databases or SQL scripts.

Maybe the idea of starting with a blog is all wrong, and that I ought to be
thinking of a site which distinguishes items by topic rather than content
(which would sometimes be pure text and sometimes text plus a link to its
associated zip file.

In short, I have very little idea how to implement this, and am seeking
free advice. I'm cruising the WP site and reading its materials, and trying
to absorb as much of this material as I can, but I'm way out of my depth.

Please don't swing an oar at me (c.f. *The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.0*,  a
tale combining quantum mechanics with witchcraft, a strange brew indeed,
co-authored by Neal Stephenson and Nicole Galland), as Tristan did when
Sent back to a previous time.

-- 
Arthur

From df.waters at outlook.com  Thu Feb 15 11:34:54 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:34:54 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] WordPress or something else?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gzEb7qj+M_A3LFH9kX6Ue23R-9=t_BvprOmW2pLgwRFg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CO1PR19MB08075B916A6E8E8F3564D705F6F40@CO1PR19MB0807.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky,

A few months ago I made a site using Wix.com.  I think I paid for a year at $9/mo.  An excellent deal!  Blogs are included.  Updating your site is a just matter of clicking on the Publish button.  They do have a free trial.

My site is www.ProMationSystems.com.

All the best!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: February 15, 2018 11:15
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] WordPress or something else?

After lo these many years, I have decided that it's time to create my own website. Given my limited fixed income, cost is of the essence, the ideal being Free. It appears that WordPress will at least let me start a blog for free, but it also appears that this option alone will cover some of the bases but not all.

Besides wanting the site from which to launch my frequent opinions on various subjects, I would also like to provide access to to the hundreds of articles I have written on Access, SQL Server, MySQL, and Data-Modeling in general; in addition, I have written a lot, and intend to continue writing about, various topics related to Philosophy, Politics and Science. The first three would seem to demand the ability to attach zip files to the articles of interest, of which there are several dozen articles with sample code in various forms, ranging from code blocks to sample databases, and I don't think that's possible with a simple blog. The latter three topics could be all lumped together at random into a single blog, or perhaps categories might be a better approach. Not sure about which might have greater appeal (assuming that anyone shares my interests in these subjects).

I do have a spare computer that I could turn into a web-server and run it from home, but I'm guessing that the I/O will suck.

I can afford a few bucks a month for a genuine host. Assuming that's a better direction, then I need to figure out how to design and develop the site locally, and then post updates and additions to the actual host. I won't need massive GB for the zips, since they all consist of small sample databases or SQL scripts.

Maybe the idea of starting with a blog is all wrong, and that I ought to be thinking of a site which distinguishes items by topic rather than content (which would sometimes be pure text and sometimes text plus a link to its associated zip file.

In short, I have very little idea how to implement this, and am seeking free advice. I'm cruising the WP site and reading its materials, and trying to absorb as much of this material as I can, but I'm way out of my depth.

Please don't swing an oar at me (c.f. *The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.0*,  a tale combining quantum mechanics with witchcraft, a strange brew indeed, co-authored by Neal Stephenson and Nicole Galland), as Tristan did when Sent back to a previous time.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 10:19:31 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:19:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little
lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
nothing happens.

Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind
that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and
can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a
couple of computers, so things could be worse.

One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk
from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way
around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem
with that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a
shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to
be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.

Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair
will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is
approaching the cost of a new machine.

Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 16 10:35:20 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:35:20 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1129F0838E3AEEB97E347577CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Arthur

A series of beeps typically indicates a malfunction of the motherboard or ram.
Find a service manual. It will list the different combos of long-short beeps and the failure.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 16. februar 2018 17:20
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that, nothing happens.

Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.

One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem with that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.

Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.

Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?

--
Arthur 


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 16 10:36:32 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:36:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8df36869-5519-cace-64e4-e505ec878258@earthlink.net>

On 2/16/2018 10:19, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little
> lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
> I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
> nothing happens.
>
> Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind
> that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and
> can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a
> couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>
> One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk
> from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way
> around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem
> with that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a
> shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to
> be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.
>
> Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair
> will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is
> approaching the cost of a new machine.
>
> Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?

Dell recommends (i) remove any connected devices and battery ad AC 
adapter, hold down power btn 30 sec, then reconnect AC & battery and 
retry boot, all this to remove internal static charge, (ii) hold down Fn 
and Power btns, note diagnostics, fix or post on Dell forum. Also see 
https://www.dell.com/community/General/Dell-Laptop-w-Windows-8-won-t-boot-past-dell-logo-screen/m-p/4000738

PB

-----
>


From bheid at sc.rr.com  Fri Feb 16 10:37:35 2018
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:37:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010a01d3a744$74d5a6d0$5e80f470$@sc.rr.com>

Arthur,

Listen to the beep codes.  An example might be 2 short and 1 long.  Then
google the beep codes.  That may tell you specifically what is wrong with
it.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:20 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little
lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
nothing happens.

Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind
that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and
can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a
couple of computers, so things could be worse.

One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk
from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way around
this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem with
that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a shipping
box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to be the
problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.

Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair
will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is
approaching the cost of a new machine.

Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?

--
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 10:40:24 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:40:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+J+T2JCzpmubVtyZYZg6XDqREVpRRg1b=Kg_+pXToOZg@mail.gmail.com>

So nothing at all on the screen?  Did you try an external monitor?
If it were hard drive or Operating System issues you would likely see
some kind of error message on the screen.

GK

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little
> lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
> I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
> nothing happens.
>
> Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind
> that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and
> can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a
> couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>
> One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk
> from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way
> around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem
> with that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a
> shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to
> be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.
>
> Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair
> will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is
> approaching the cost of a new machine.
>
> Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb 16 11:06:57 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:06:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>

Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a diagnostic
from the POST operation (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link
has a chart of beep codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the
codes for Dell. 

1 beep 		BIOS ROM corruption or failure
2 beeps 	Memory (RAM) not detected
3 beeps 	Motherboard failure
4 beeps 	Memory (RAM) failure
5 beeps 	CMOS Battery failure
6 beeps 	Video card failure
7 beeps 	Bad processor (CPU)

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little
lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
nothing happens.

Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind
that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and
can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a
couple of computers, so things could be worse.

One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk
from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way around
this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem with
that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a shipping
box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to be the
problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.

Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair
will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is
approaching the cost of a new machine.

Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?

--
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 16:08:31 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:08:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Rocky.

What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an interruption
between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.

Arthur

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a diagnostic
> from the POST operation (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link
> has a chart of beep codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's
> the
> codes for Dell.
>
> 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
> 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
> 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
> 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
> 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
> 6 beeps         Video card failure
> 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>
> A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little
> lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
> I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
> nothing happens.
>
> Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind
> that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and
> can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a
> couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>
> One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk
> from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way
> around
> this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem with
> that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a
> shipping
> box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to be the
> problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.
>
> Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair
> will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is
> approaching the cost of a new machine.
>
> Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb 16 16:23:41 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:23:41 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>,
	<CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Arthur

That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

Thanks, Rocky.

What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an interruption
between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.

Arthur

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a diagnostic
> from the POST operation (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link
> has a chart of beep codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's
> the
> codes for Dell.
>
> 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
> 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
> 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
> 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
> 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
> 6 beeps         Video card failure
> 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>
> A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The little
> lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses to boot.
> I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
> nothing happens.
>
> Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the kind
> that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be wrong, and
> can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. Fortunately, I have a
> couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>
> One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot disk
> from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The way
> around
> this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no problem with
> that; in my experience they have great service and will even send a
> shipping
> box to safely house the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to be the
> problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.
>
> Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the repair
> will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's prices, is
> approaching the cost of a new machine.
>
> Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>
> --
> Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb 16 17:45:54 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:45:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101d3a780$4978c3a0$dc6a4ae0$@bchacc.com>

The post beeps go on as long as you have the power on.  

" beeps without much of an interruption between" Any?

If regular beeps then that would indicate BIOS failure. If a number of beeps
with a pause, like every third beep, then that would be a code 3 -
Motherboard.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:09 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

Thanks, Rocky.

What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an interruption
between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.

Arthur

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a 
> diagnostic from the POST operation 
> (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of beep 
> codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the codes for 
> Dell.
>
> 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
> 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
> 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
> 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
> 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
> 6 beeps         Video card failure
> 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>
> A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The 
> little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses
to boot.
> I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that, 
> nothing happens.
>
> Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the 
> kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be 
> wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. 
> Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>
> One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot 
> disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The 
> way around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no 
> problem with that; in my experience they have great service and will 
> even send a shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard 
> disk turns out to be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as 
> part of the repair.
>
> Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the 
> repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's 
> prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
>
> Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb 16 17:55:48 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:55:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>,
	<CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>

That would be too easy :).  Arthur, do you have another keyboard you could
swap in for a test?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

Hi Arthur

That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur
Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

Thanks, Rocky.

What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an interruption
between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.

Arthur

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a 
> diagnostic from the POST operation 
> (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of beep 
> codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the codes for 
> Dell.
>
> 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
> 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
> 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
> 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
> 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
> 6 beeps         Video card failure
> 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>
> A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The 
> little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses
to boot.
> I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that, 
> nothing happens.
>
> Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the 
> kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be 
> wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end. 
> Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>
> One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot 
> disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The 
> way around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no 
> problem with that; in my experience they have great service and will 
> even send a shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard 
> disk turns out to be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as 
> part of the repair.
>
> Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the 
> repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's 
> prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
>
> Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>
> --
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 16 23:34:58 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:34:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?

I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(

Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives. 

It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook

Hi all

If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:

Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334

Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/

Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.

/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Feb 17 03:41:26 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:41:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.

Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook

Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?

I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(

Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.

It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook

Hi all

If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:

Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334

Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/

Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.

/gustav

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Feb 17 04:55:43 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:55:43 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>,
	<HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A57814@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Advertising platforms. All they are!!

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Gustav Brock<mailto:gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: ?17/?02/?2018 09:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

Hi Jim

Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.

Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook

Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?

I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(

Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.

It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook

Hi all

If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:

Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334

Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/

Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.

/gustav
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 05:17:30 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 06:17:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iE63SJJ=LJ7T0jkMCYmP1UG1wpPz_3nop8hXwAs0X30g@mail.gmail.com>

I checked the keyboard and all seems well. The beeps are uninterrupted by
pauses, do I'm guessing that Gustav is right. When I do take it in, I'll
mention that. Any idea what is involved in replacing the BIOS, and how much
money I'm looking at, if that is the problem?

Arthur

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> That would be too easy :).  Arthur, do you have another keyboard you could
> swap in for a test?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur
> Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>
> Thanks, Rocky.
>
> What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an interruption
> between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a
> > diagnostic from the POST operation
> > (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of beep
> > codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the codes for
> > Dell.
> >
> > 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
> > 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
> > 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
> > 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
> > 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
> > 6 beeps         Video card failure
> > 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
> >
> > A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The
> > little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses
> to boot.
> > I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
> > nothing happens.
> >
> > Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the
> > kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be
> > wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end.
> > Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
> >
> > One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot
> > disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The
> > way around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no
> > problem with that; in my experience they have great service and will
> > even send a shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard
> > disk turns out to be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as
> > part of the repair.
> >
> > Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the
> > repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's
> > prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
> >
> > Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Feb 17 05:31:49 2018
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:31:49 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iE63SJJ=LJ7T0jkMCYmP1UG1wpPz_3nop8hXwAs0X30g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE63SJJ=LJ7T0jkMCYmP1UG1wpPz_3nop8hXwAs0X30g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE965Mu--21d6Xw0a-0fevrk-95NJOqvqLTEkq1QPDOYKgw@mail.gmail.com>

I am assuming you have tried booting with all the external pieces of
hardware disconnected, does the hard drive sound as if it is working, what
model dell is it ?

On 17 Feb 2018 11:18, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I checked the keyboard and all seems well. The beeps are uninterrupted by
> pauses, do I'm guessing that Gustav is right. When I do take it in, I'll
> mention that. Any idea what is involved in replacing the BIOS, and how much
> money I'm looking at, if that is the problem?
>
> Arthur
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That would be too easy :).  Arthur, do you have another keyboard you
> could
> > swap in for a test?
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:24 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
> >
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur
> > Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
> >
> > Thanks, Rocky.
> >
> > What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an interruption
> > between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a
> > > diagnostic from the POST operation
> > > (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of beep
> > > codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the codes for
> > > Dell.
> > >
> > > 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
> > > 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
> > > 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
> > > 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
> > > 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
> > > 6 beeps         Video card failure
> > > 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
> > >
> > > A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The
> > > little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer
> refuses
> > to boot.
> > > I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
> > > nothing happens.
> > >
> > > Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the
> > > kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be
> > > wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end.
> > > Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
> > >
> > > One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot
> > > disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The
> > > way around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no
> > > problem with that; in my experience they have great service and will
> > > even send a shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard
> > > disk turns out to be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as
> > > part of the repair.
> > >
> > > Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the
> > > repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's
> > > prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
> > >
> > > Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Feb 17 05:36:38 2018
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:36:38 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE965Mu--21d6Xw0a-0fevrk-95NJOqvqLTEkq1QPDOYKgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE63SJJ=LJ7T0jkMCYmP1UG1wpPz_3nop8hXwAs0X30g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE965Mu--21d6Xw0a-0fevrk-95NJOqvqLTEkq1QPDOYKgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97aOm7zwcXHkxACOWLOO2aL_+e71WM1OyweKZbOqcvY_Q@mail.gmail.com>

One other thing, have you tried getting into the pre-boot assessment,
switch the laptop off, hold the fn key down and power, make take a couple
of tries but can sometimes get into that if nothing too bad and run tests

On 17 Feb 2018 11:31, "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I am assuming you have tried booting with all the external pieces of
> hardware disconnected, does the hard drive sound as if it is working, what
> model dell is it ?
>
> On 17 Feb 2018 11:18, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I checked the keyboard and all seems well. The beeps are uninterrupted by
>> pauses, do I'm guessing that Gustav is right. When I do take it in, I'll
>> mention that. Any idea what is involved in replacing the BIOS, and how
>> much
>> money I'm looking at, if that is the problem?
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > That would be too easy :).  Arthur, do you have another keyboard you
>> could
>> > swap in for a test?
>> >
>> > r
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> > Gustav Brock
>> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:24 PM
>> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>> >
>> > Hi Arthur
>> >
>> > That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.
>> >
>> > /gustav
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> > Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
>> Arthur
>> > Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> > Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
>> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>> >
>> > Thanks, Rocky.
>> >
>> > What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an
>> interruption
>> > between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.
>> >
>> > Arthur
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a
>> > > diagnostic from the POST operation
>> > > (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of beep
>> > > codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the codes for
>> > > Dell.
>> > >
>> > > 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
>> > > 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
>> > > 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
>> > > 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
>> > > 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
>> > > 6 beeps         Video card failure
>> > > 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
>> > >
>> > > Rocky
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>> > > Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
>> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>> > >
>> > > A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The
>> > > little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer
>> refuses
>> > to boot.
>> > > I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
>> > > nothing happens.
>> > >
>> > > Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the
>> > > kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be
>> > > wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end.
>> > > Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>> > >
>> > > One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot
>> > > disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The
>> > > way around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no
>> > > problem with that; in my experience they have great service and will
>> > > even send a shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard
>> > > disk turns out to be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as
>> > > part of the repair.
>> > >
>> > > Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the
>> > > repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's
>> > > prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
>> > >
>> > > Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Arthur
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 10:24:26 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:24:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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On 2/17/2018 3:41, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.

?! Wasn't it /designed/ to be that?

PB

-----

>
> Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?
>
> I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(
>
> Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.
>
> It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Hi all
>
> If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:
>
> Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
> https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334
>
> Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/
>
> Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.
>
> /gustav
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 10:30:05 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:30:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
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On 2/17/2018 5:17, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I checked the keyboard and all seems well. The beeps are uninterrupted by
> pauses, do I'm guessing that Gustav is right. When I do take it in, I'll
> mention that. Any idea what is involved in replacing the BIOS, and how much
> money I'm looking at, if that is the problem?

Easy to check the wee hard drive. Find instructions online for removing 
the hard drive. Put it in a USB enclosure, connect it to another 'puter, 
run diagnostics on it. If it's bad, but a replacement, clone and replace 
in the machine.

PB

-----

>
> Arthur
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That would be too easy :).  Arthur, do you have another keyboard you could
>> swap in for a test?
>>
>> r
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:24 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur
>> Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>>
>> Thanks, Rocky.
>>
>> What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an interruption
>> between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a
>>> diagnostic from the POST operation
>>> (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of beep
>>> codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the codes for
>>> Dell.
>>>
>>> 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
>>> 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
>>> 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
>>> 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
>>> 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
>>> 6 beeps         Video card failure
>>> 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>>>
>>> A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The
>>> little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer refuses
>> to boot.
>>> I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than that,
>>> nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner (the
>>> kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what might be
>>> wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end.
>>> Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>>>
>>> One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no boot
>>> disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the problem. The
>>> way around this is to return the machine to Dell for repair. I have no
>>> problem with that; in my experience they have great service and will
>>> even send a shipping box to safely house the machine. So if the hard
>>> disk turns out to be the problem, Dell will re-install Windows 10 as
>>> part of the repair.
>>>
>>> Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the
>>> repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at today's
>>> prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
>>>
>>> Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Feb 17 10:45:57 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:45:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
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Arthur:

Do you have an old operating system CD - like Windows 7 - that you could use to boot up the machine?  

When you get it fixed, make a recovery CD.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland via dba-Tech
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: Paul Hartland
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

I am assuming you have tried booting with all the external pieces of hardware disconnected, does the hard drive sound as if it is working, what model dell is it ?

On 17 Feb 2018 11:18, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I checked the keyboard and all seems well. The beeps are uninterrupted 
> by pauses, do I'm guessing that Gustav is right. When I do take it in, 
> I'll mention that. Any idea what is involved in replacing the BIOS, 
> and how much money I'm looking at, if that is the problem?
>
> Arthur
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That would be too easy :).  Arthur, do you have another keyboard you
> could
> > swap in for a test?
> >
> > r
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > Behalf
> Of
> > Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:24 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
> >
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af 
> > Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
> >
> > Thanks, Rocky.
> >
> > What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an 
> > interruption between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin 
> > <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a 
> > > diagnostic from the POST operation
> > > (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of 
> > > beep codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the 
> > > codes for Dell.
> > >
> > > 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
> > > 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
> > > 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
> > > 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
> > > 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
> > > 6 beeps         Video card failure
> > > 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> > > Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
> > >
> > > A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. The 
> > > little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the computer
> refuses
> > to boot.
> > > I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than 
> > > that, nothing happens.
> > >
> > > Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner 
> > > (the kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what 
> > > might be wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end.
> > > Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
> > >
> > > One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no 
> > > boot disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the 
> > > problem. The way around this is to return the machine to Dell for 
> > > repair. I have no problem with that; in my experience they have 
> > > great service and will even send a shipping box to safely house 
> > > the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to be the problem, Dell 
> > > will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.
> > >
> > > Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that the 
> > > repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at 
> > > today's prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
> > >
> > > Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Feb 17 10:46:53 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:46:53 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
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On most of my machines repeatedly pressing the F2 key gets you into the BIOS where you can run some diagnostics.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland via dba-Tech
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: Paul Hartland
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

One other thing, have you tried getting into the pre-boot assessment, switch the laptop off, hold the fn key down and power, make take a couple of tries but can sometimes get into that if nothing too bad and run tests

On 17 Feb 2018 11:31, "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I am assuming you have tried booting with all the external pieces of 
> hardware disconnected, does the hard drive sound as if it is working, 
> what model dell is it ?
>
> On 17 Feb 2018 11:18, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I checked the keyboard and all seems well. The beeps are 
>> uninterrupted by pauses, do I'm guessing that Gustav is right. When I 
>> do take it in, I'll mention that. Any idea what is involved in 
>> replacing the BIOS, and how much money I'm looking at, if that is the 
>> problem?
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Rocky Smolin 
>> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > That would be too easy :).  Arthur, do you have another keyboard 
>> > you
>> could
>> > swap in for a test?
>> >
>> > r
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> > Gustav Brock
>> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:24 PM
>> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>> >
>> > Hi Arthur
>> >
>> > That could be a single key that is sticking in pressed-down state.
>> >
>> > /gustav
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> > Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af
>> Arthur
>> > Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> > Sendt: 16. februar 2018 23:08:31
>> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>> >
>> > Thanks, Rocky.
>> >
>> > What I'm hearing is repeated single beeps without much of an
>> interruption
>> > between them. They go on as long as I leave the On switch On.
>> >
>> > Arthur
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Rocky Smolin 
>> > <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Is it continual beeps or some kind of pattern?  It could be a 
>> > > diagnostic from the POST operation
>> > > (https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm) That link has a chart of 
>> > > beep codes and what they mean for different BIOS.  Here's the 
>> > > codes for Dell.
>> > >
>> > > 1 beep          BIOS ROM corruption or failure
>> > > 2 beeps         Memory (RAM) not detected
>> > > 3 beeps         Motherboard failure
>> > > 4 beeps         Memory (RAM) failure
>> > > 5 beeps         CMOS Battery failure
>> > > 6 beeps         Video card failure
>> > > 7 beeps         Bad processor (CPU)
>> > >
>> > > Rocky
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
>> > > Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:20 AM
>> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
>> > >
>> > > A couple of weeks ago my laptop suddenly could no longer boot. 
>> > > The little lights on the front edge blink as usual, but the 
>> > > computer
>> refuses
>> > to boot.
>> > > I hear a little repeated beep when I attempt to boot; other than 
>> > > that, nothing happens.
>> > >
>> > > Various external devices such as a backup drive and a DVD burner 
>> > > (the kind that can use 25GB disks) power up. I have no idea what 
>> > > might be wrong, and can't afford to have it repaired until month-end.
>> > > Fortunately, I have a couple of computers, so things could be worse.
>> > >
>> > > One thing that worries me is that I'm running Windows 10; IOW, no 
>> > > boot disk from which to re-install it if the hard drive is the 
>> > > problem. The way around this is to return the machine to Dell for 
>> > > repair. I have no problem with that; in my experience they have 
>> > > great service and will even send a shipping box to safely house 
>> > > the machine. So if the hard disk turns out to be the problem, 
>> > > Dell will re-install Windows 10 as part of the repair.
>> > >
>> > > Since I'm long-past the warranty period, I'm anticipating that 
>> > > the repair will cost over $100 and maybe even $200 -- which, at 
>> > > today's prices, is approaching the cost of a new machine.
>> > >
>> > > Any opinions on this? Or on what might be wrong with the laptop?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Arthur
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > dba-Tech mailing list
>> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 10:48:37 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:48:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gz8xc9rbS8Et0p0=C8ucZjyn1thMkw38NOCBaHtDAxAQ@mail.gmail.com>

VoltDB, the (relatively) new database from Michael Stonebraker, intended
for in-RAM databases needing to perform 50K+ transactions per second, has
some way of treating a bunch of servers as a logical unit. IOW, 8 servers
each equipped with 64GB of RAM can be regarded as a single 512GB unit of
RAM. I understand how this approach can work with hard disks, but I have no
clue how to make it work with RAM. Do you?

The documentation and even packaging of VoltDB suggests that its ideal
hardware environment is Linux (since the Windows version is installed and
run using Docker). I don't know enough about Linux to know whether this
"union" of servers' RAM is built-in or an innovation provided within
VoltDB. (Speak up, Jim and other Linux gurus!)

Whatever the answer, I can't see this working with the typical mix of
Windows boxes most of us, other than the thick wallets, being able to
cobble this together, especially since those of us with multiple boxes
typically run different versions on different boxes, so we can support
clients running various versions of Windows, Access, SQL, Office, etc. Add
to that the problem that on Windows VoltDB runs only in Docker. So I think
this is a strictly-Linux solution.

Assuming that I'm correct (Linux-only), I'm still faced with the problem of
how to implement it. Assume modest hardware, say three boxes of varying
vintage each running the same version of Linux, and all connected. Further
assume that as yet, VoltDB is not installed. Is it possible to treat their
collective RAM as a single logical unit of RAM? If so, how so?

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 16:10:12 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:10:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <003401d3a80e$ea9a5df0$bfcf19d0$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h3ZCf=5O24caceyE8AoDNov9zanxWcCPZw7Vid5EuLLw@mail.gmail.com>

I tried the various key-combinations suggested, and nothing worked. Next I
listened to the beeps very carefully, and noticed for the first time that
it beeps 7 times then pauses, then repeats. According to Rocky's list, that
indicates a bad CPU. In that case the repair is going to be cheap (well,
cheaper than I was bracing myself for).

A.
?

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Feb 17 16:24:37 2018
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:24:37 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h3ZCf=5O24caceyE8AoDNov9zanxWcCPZw7Vid5EuLLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008101d3a748$8d97dc20$a8c79460$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1gSJx2=Rc2pjvPJQR2ozPgDEyWqEQRA4RCryzD+9=2o3g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>
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	<CAEPJO1h3ZCf=5O24caceyE8AoDNov9zanxWcCPZw7Vid5EuLLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE966bGz1Rt44st2=DhZJ9kSnGqTrqd6YMotx2sjPEdT43A@mail.gmail.com>

A rare one that but hey you never know

On 17 Feb 2018 22:11, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried the various key-combinations suggested, and nothing worked. Next I
> listened to the beeps very carefully, and noticed for the first time that
> it beeps 7 times then pauses, then repeats. According to Rocky's list, that
> indicates a bad CPU. In that case the repair is going to be cheap (well,
> cheaper than I was bracing myself for).
>
> A.
> ?
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 17 18:55:55 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:55:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <319901043.315030652.1518915355380.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

That seems to be the name of the game for all major and most minor companies. Apparently, nothing is free...greed is good. But Facebook  has really gone over the top.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:41:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

Hi Jim

Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.

Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook

Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?

I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(

Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.

It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook

Hi all

If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:

Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334

Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/

Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.

/gustav
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 17 22:17:41 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:17:41 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A57814@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A57814@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4cef48a2-a6a7-70c8-e163-0ab6e5eb79fa@earthlink.net>

On 2/17/2018 4:55, Martin Reid wrote:
> Advertising platforms. All they are!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmuG4FC-n30

"...someone is gathering every crumb you drop ... let our formulas find 
your soul..."

PB

-----

>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Gustav Brock<mailto:gustav at cactus.dk>
> Sent: ?17/?02/?2018 09:42
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.
>
> Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?
>
> I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(
>
> Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.
>
> It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Hi all
>
> If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:
>
> Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
> https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334
>
> Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/
>
> Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.
>
> /gustav
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 17 23:32:54 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:32:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h3ZCf=5O24caceyE8AoDNov9zanxWcCPZw7Vid5EuLLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE63SJJ=LJ7T0jkMCYmP1UG1wpPz_3nop8hXwAs0X30g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEPJO1h3ZCf=5O24caceyE8AoDNov9zanxWcCPZw7Vid5EuLLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <265146314.315395256.1518931974307.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

You have tried all the obvious checks, the BIOS boot does not display, depending on your computer, pressing F1, F2 and F10, adding a USB keyboard and mouse and adding an external display...none worked. Assuming you have not recently lost a coffee in your keyboard or you are wondering why there is a pool of water under your laptop...you will have to take the computer in to a place where the techs know how to pull your laptop apart and test each component.

If you feel up to dissembling on your laptop you might be able to save money by doing your own testing. For me, unfortunately my eyes just are not good enough to work on that type of equipment, anymore.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

I tried the various key-combinations suggested, and nothing worked. Next I
listened to the beeps very carefully, and noticed for the first time that
it beeps 7 times then pauses, then repeats. According to Rocky's list, that
indicates a bad CPU. In that case the repair is going to be cheap (well,
cheaper than I was bracing myself for).

A.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Feb 18 00:29:51 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:29:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <4cef48a2-a6a7-70c8-e163-0ab6e5eb79fa@earthlink.net>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0A57814@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4cef48a2-a6a7-70c8-e163-0ab6e5eb79fa@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <008101d3a881$e2285d20$a6791760$@bchacc.com>

BTW why Acxiom?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/technology/acxiom-the-quiet-giant-of-consumer-database-marketing.html

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:18 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

On 2/17/2018 4:55, Martin Reid wrote:
> Advertising platforms. All they are!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmuG4FC-n30

"...someone is gathering every crumb you drop ... let our formulas find your soul..."

PB

-----

>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Gustav Brock<mailto:gustav at cactus.dk>
> Sent: ?17/?02/?2018 09:42
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
> issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.
>
> Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim 
> Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?
>
> I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual 
> drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but 
> Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). 
> :-(
>
> Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.
>
> It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Hi all
>
> If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:
>
> Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind 
> of Spam
> https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-in
> to-th-1823006334
>
> Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile 
> app 
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tra
> cking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/
>
> Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.
>
> /gustav
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 12:23:59 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 13:23:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <265146314.315395256.1518931974307.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1gitrncRrYX04gnxSZjpEmasdE-ns1ZVvE=jHZGMXnFFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1129BC5F2C77199E14B99D81CACB0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<004701d3a781$ab8c3a30$02a4ae90$@bchacc.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE63SJJ=LJ7T0jkMCYmP1UG1wpPz_3nop8hXwAs0X30g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE965Mu--21d6Xw0a-0fevrk-95NJOqvqLTEkq1QPDOYKgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97aOm7zwcXHkxACOWLOO2aL_+e71WM1OyweKZbOqcvY_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<003401d3a80e$ea9a5df0$bfcf19d0$@bchacc.com>
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	<265146314.315395256.1518931974307.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j7dXekg24FmWeJO7wrd08+j-72h8XYijcLEon7pLN85g@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

My eyes are not up to that task either.

Arthur
?

From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sun Feb 18 13:28:19 2018
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:28:19 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
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Jim and Arthur,
when did you have an eye examination the last time? 
Cataract comes in mind.

Helmut
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Jim,

My eyes are not up to that task either.

Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 19 16:13:48 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:13:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems
In-Reply-To: <000601d3a8ee$a3344170$e99cc450$@de>
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I have an eye examination once a year. No cataracts, just keep needing stronger and strong prescriptions. I guess I could get a jeweler's eye piece.

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:28:19 AM
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Jim and Arthur,
when did you have an eye examination the last time? 
Cataract comes in mind.

Helmut
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Februar 2018 19:24
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Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Boot-up problems

Jim,

My eyes are not up to that task either.

Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 19 23:21:37 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:21:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
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I would like to think that Mark Zuckerberg felt that he was doing a good thing but unfortunately, he is not the only individual driving the company. The real Facebook owners are the shareholders and they only invest where there is profit...unfortunately, profit is their only motivating factor...and that really is too bad.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:24:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

On 2/17/2018 3:41, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.

?! Wasn't it /designed/ to be that?

PB

-----

>
> Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?
>
> I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(
>
> Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.
>
> It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Hi all
>
> If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:
>
> Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
> https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334
>
> Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/
>
> Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.
>
> /gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 19 23:37:20 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:37:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
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You have to pick one of then most complex subjects on computers these days. There are a few applications that are free and OS for your Linux computer. One is MPI...a very old application:

To do this the program(s) accessing the CPU/RAM resources must be specifically designed to access said resources. A system set up in this manner is called a cluster, and the typical way resources are shared is with a protocol called MPI (message passing interface). It is a free download and using it with Linux can yield a powerful cluster (possibly even a super computer) for minimal cost, but again it is useless unless you have programs that were specifically designed to take advantage of MPI. There are some good cluster tutorials out there, if you are still interested you should check one out.

http://www.mcs.anl.gov/research/projects/mpi/
...and...
http://www.mpich.org/
...and...
http://www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1-installguide.pdf
http://bit.ly/2FaMpA4

Then there is PVM3 or Parallel Virtual Machine, version 3. Here is where to download the package:

http://www.tucows.com/preview/39014/PVM

Then there is applications under full development like (Very interesting):

https://ramcloud.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RAM/overview

I have tried some of these products that allow the file system to extend to all RAM and/or hard drive space but have consistently run into issues that I could not find a solution for. It all boiled down to older and limited computers being added to a cluster. It became an issue of huge backups and restoring which took days... OTOH, I learned how to effectively do backups properly and now have twice as much hardware dedicated to backing up the network as in the network. Of course if someone wanted to give me $50K and let me have a free month... ;-)

If you wanted to run an application that requires a substantial amount of RAM, it would be better to use a Cloud based source that has all that functionality built right in. I would recommend that you use the services of DigitalOcean as there is no fixed amount of resources...you pay for what you use and for the amount of time you use it. I know of some companies doing testing of their application on DO and only do testing for an hour or two. Example: 192GB RAM, 32CPUs and 12TB of SSD (plus high-speed bandwidth) is $1.43 an hour...then there is optimized Droplets with compute optimized virtual machines with dedicated hyper-threads from best in class Intel CPUs for CPU Intensive applications like CI/CD, video encoding, machine learning, ad serving, batch processing and active front-end web servers...less RAM and HD space but only 0.95 per hour. I know of no other Cloud provider that gives that level of graduation. 

If VoltDB was written in one of the distributive optimized languages then it could use multi-cores across a network:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concurrent_and_parallel_programming_languages
http://bit.ly/2EDazSK

The old favourites like Erlang and the modern GO are two such programming languages. I do think that Gustav and Shamil might have some more insights into this environment as well.

* I do have another possible solution but will send you the information off line.
 
Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:48:37 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers

VoltDB, the (relatively) new database from Michael Stonebraker, intended
for in-RAM databases needing to perform 50K+ transactions per second, has
some way of treating a bunch of servers as a logical unit. IOW, 8 servers
each equipped with 64GB of RAM can be regarded as a single 512GB unit of
RAM. I understand how this approach can work with hard disks, but I have no
clue how to make it work with RAM. Do you?

The documentation and even packaging of VoltDB suggests that its ideal
hardware environment is Linux (since the Windows version is installed and
run using Docker). I don't know enough about Linux to know whether this
"union" of servers' RAM is built-in or an innovation provided within
VoltDB. (Speak up, Jim and other Linux gurus!)

Whatever the answer, I can't see this working with the typical mix of
Windows boxes most of us, other than the thick wallets, being able to
cobble this together, especially since those of us with multiple boxes
typically run different versions on different boxes, so we can support
clients running various versions of Windows, Access, SQL, Office, etc. Add
to that the problem that on Windows VoltDB runs only in Docker. So I think
this is a strictly-Linux solution.

Assuming that I'm correct (Linux-only), I'm still faced with the problem of
how to implement it. Assume modest hardware, say three boxes of varying
vintage each running the same version of Linux, and all connected. Further
assume that as yet, VoltDB is not installed. Is it possible to treat their
collective RAM as a single logical unit of RAM? If so, how so?

-- 
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 20 00:29:20 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 23:29:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
In-Reply-To: <1880444973.320489409.1519105040564.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Arthur:

PS I could suggest that you check out the Framework Apache Flink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink

It is basically a structure that allow processing (CPU core and RAM use) across a network or cluster...ideal for Cloud computing. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:37:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers

You have to pick one of then most complex subjects on computers these days. There are a few applications that are free and OS for your Linux computer. One is MPI...a very old application:

To do this the program(s) accessing the CPU/RAM resources must be specifically designed to access said resources. A system set up in this manner is called a cluster, and the typical way resources are shared is with a protocol called MPI (message passing interface). It is a free download and using it with Linux can yield a powerful cluster (possibly even a super computer) for minimal cost, but again it is useless unless you have programs that were specifically designed to take advantage of MPI. There are some good cluster tutorials out there, if you are still interested you should check one out.

http://www.mcs.anl.gov/research/projects/mpi/
...and...
http://www.mpich.org/
...and...
http://www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1-installguide.pdf
http://bit.ly/2FaMpA4

Then there is PVM3 or Parallel Virtual Machine, version 3. Here is where to download the package:

http://www.tucows.com/preview/39014/PVM

Then there is applications under full development like (Very interesting):

https://ramcloud.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RAM/overview

I have tried some of these products that allow the file system to extend to all RAM and/or hard drive space but have consistently run into issues that I could not find a solution for. It all boiled down to older and limited computers being added to a cluster. It became an issue of huge backups and restoring which took days... OTOH, I learned how to effectively do backups properly and now have twice as much hardware dedicated to backing up the network as in the network. Of course if someone wanted to give me $50K and let me have a free month... ;-)

If you wanted to run an application that requires a substantial amount of RAM, it would be better to use a Cloud based source that has all that functionality built right in. I would recommend that you use the services of DigitalOcean as there is no fixed amount of resources...you pay for what you use and for the amount of time you use it. I know of some companies doing testing of their application on DO and only do testing for an hour or two. Example: 192GB RAM, 32CPUs and 12TB of SSD (plus high-speed bandwidth) is $1.43 an hour...then there is optimized Droplets with compute optimized virtual machines with dedicated hyper-threads from best in class Intel CPUs for CPU Intensive applications like CI/CD, video encoding, machine learning, ad serving, batch processing and active front-end web servers...less RAM and HD space but only 0.95 per hour. I know of no other Cloud provider that gives that level of graduation. 

If VoltDB was written in one of the distributive optimized languages then it could use multi-cores across a network:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concurrent_and_parallel_programming_languages
http://bit.ly/2EDazSK

The old favourites like Erlang and the modern GO are two such programming languages. I do think that Gustav and Shamil might have some more insights into this environment as well.

* I do have another possible solution but will send you the information off line.
 
Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:48:37 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers

VoltDB, the (relatively) new database from Michael Stonebraker, intended
for in-RAM databases needing to perform 50K+ transactions per second, has
some way of treating a bunch of servers as a logical unit. IOW, 8 servers
each equipped with 64GB of RAM can be regarded as a single 512GB unit of
RAM. I understand how this approach can work with hard disks, but I have no
clue how to make it work with RAM. Do you?

The documentation and even packaging of VoltDB suggests that its ideal
hardware environment is Linux (since the Windows version is installed and
run using Docker). I don't know enough about Linux to know whether this
"union" of servers' RAM is built-in or an innovation provided within
VoltDB. (Speak up, Jim and other Linux gurus!)

Whatever the answer, I can't see this working with the typical mix of
Windows boxes most of us, other than the thick wallets, being able to
cobble this together, especially since those of us with multiple boxes
typically run different versions on different boxes, so we can support
clients running various versions of Windows, Access, SQL, Office, etc. Add
to that the problem that on Windows VoltDB runs only in Docker. So I think
this is a strictly-Linux solution.

Assuming that I'm correct (Linux-only), I'm still faced with the problem of
how to implement it. Assume modest hardware, say three boxes of varying
vintage each running the same version of Linux, and all connected. Further
assume that as yet, VoltDB is not installed. Is it possible to treat their
collective RAM as a single logical unit of RAM? If so, how so?

-- 
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 06:26:45 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 07:26:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
In-Reply-To: <940879639.320578710.1519108160719.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1gz8xc9rbS8Et0p0=C8ucZjyn1thMkw38NOCBaHtDAxAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Jim,

I may be way off base here, but I think that an implementation in the cloud
might defeat the whole purpose of the VoltDB design, which is performance.
>From what I gather, it's designed to handle massive amounts of input, such
as a Bloomberg feed or a worldwide gaming site or tracking the votes in an
election, polling site by polling site. My thought (and I could be wrong
about this, since I know little about cloud technologies) is that there
would be a performance hit due to talking to the cloud. SQL Server is
designed for much smaller loads than VoltDB. The latter can easily handle
50k TPS, and upwards.

The examples given in the VoltDB documentation imply a level of hardware
vastly beyond my feeble resources, such as a dozen servers in a cluster,
each housing 64 GB of RAM.

On the other hand, there is a free community edition which could be run on
a single server. There, the point would be to load the entire database
(smallish, say 50 GB) into RAM, with a few hundred simultaneous users.
Periodically and automatically, the RAM database updates the hard disk(s).

I certainly don't pretend to understand a lot of the VoltDB implementation.
Many of its concepts I've never encountered before. Lots of the concepts
assume a collection of servers, with partitioned tables and even
partitioned indexes, and smallish tables  (i.e. lookups) duplicated on each
server, and a lot more that is beyond my meager experience.

Thanks for the links. As time permits, I will follow up, and further my
education.

Arthur

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Arthur:
>
> PS I could suggest that you check out the Framework Apache Flink:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink
>
> It is basically a structure that allow processing (CPU core and RAM use)
> across a network or cluster...ideal for Cloud computing.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:37:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
>
> You have to pick one of then most complex subjects on computers these
> days. There are a few applications that are free and OS for your Linux
> computer. One is MPI...a very old application:
>
> To do this the program(s) accessing the CPU/RAM resources must be
> specifically designed to access said resources. A system set up in this
> manner is called a cluster, and the typical way resources are shared is
> with a protocol called MPI (message passing interface). It is a free
> download and using it with Linux can yield a powerful cluster (possibly
> even a super computer) for minimal cost, but again it is useless unless you
> have programs that were specifically designed to take advantage of MPI.
> There are some good cluster tutorials out there, if you are still
> interested you should check one out.
>
> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/research/projects/mpi/
> ...and...
> http://www.mpich.org/
> ...and...
> http://www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1-installguide.pdf
> http://bit.ly/2FaMpA4
>
> Then there is PVM3 or Parallel Virtual Machine, version 3. Here is where
> to download the package:
>
> http://www.tucows.com/preview/39014/PVM
>
> Then there is applications under full development like (Very interesting):
>
> https://ramcloud.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RAM/overview
>
> I have tried some of these products that allow the file system to extend
> to all RAM and/or hard drive space but have consistently run into issues
> that I could not find a solution for. It all boiled down to older and
> limited computers being added to a cluster. It became an issue of huge
> backups and restoring which took days... OTOH, I learned how to effectively
> do backups properly and now have twice as much hardware dedicated to
> backing up the network as in the network. Of course if someone wanted to
> give me $50K and let me have a free month... ;-)
>
> If you wanted to run an application that requires a substantial amount of
> RAM, it would be better to use a Cloud based source that has all that
> functionality built right in. I would recommend that you use the services
> of DigitalOcean as there is no fixed amount of resources...you pay for what
> you use and for the amount of time you use it. I know of some companies
> doing testing of their application on DO and only do testing for an hour or
> two. Example: 192GB RAM, 32CPUs and 12TB of SSD (plus high-speed bandwidth)
> is $1.43 an hour...then there is optimized Droplets with compute optimized
> virtual machines with dedicated hyper-threads from best in class Intel CPUs
> for CPU Intensive applications like CI/CD, video encoding, machine
> learning, ad serving, batch processing and active front-end web
> servers...less RAM and HD space but only 0.95 per hour. I know of no other
> Cloud provider that gives that level of graduation.
>
> If VoltDB was written in one of the distributive optimized languages then
> it could use multi-cores across a network:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concurrent_and_
> parallel_programming_languages
> http://bit.ly/2EDazSK
>
> The old favourites like Erlang and the modern GO are two such programming
> languages. I do think that Gustav and Shamil might have some more insights
> into this environment as well.
>
> * I do have another possible solution but will send you the information
> off line.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:48:37 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
>
> VoltDB, the (relatively) new database from Michael Stonebraker, intended
> for in-RAM databases needing to perform 50K+ transactions per second, has
> some way of treating a bunch of servers as a logical unit. IOW, 8 servers
> each equipped with 64GB of RAM can be regarded as a single 512GB unit of
> RAM. I understand how this approach can work with hard disks, but I have no
> clue how to make it work with RAM. Do you?
>
> The documentation and even packaging of VoltDB suggests that its ideal
> hardware environment is Linux (since the Windows version is installed and
> run using Docker). I don't know enough about Linux to know whether this
> "union" of servers' RAM is built-in or an innovation provided within
> VoltDB. (Speak up, Jim and other Linux gurus!)
>
> Whatever the answer, I can't see this working with the typical mix of
> Windows boxes most of us, other than the thick wallets, being able to
> cobble this together, especially since those of us with multiple boxes
> typically run different versions on different boxes, so we can support
> clients running various versions of Windows, Access, SQL, Office, etc. Add
> to that the problem that on Windows VoltDB runs only in Docker. So I think
> this is a strictly-Linux solution.
>
> Assuming that I'm correct (Linux-only), I'm still faced with the problem of
> how to implement it. Assume modest hardware, say three boxes of varying
> vintage each running the same version of Linux, and all connected. Further
> assume that as yet, VoltDB is not installed. Is it possible to treat their
> collective RAM as a single logical unit of RAM? If so, how so?
>
> --
> Arthur
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-- 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 06:30:41 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 07:30:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <1250032903.320462310.1519104097554.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Yesterday I deactivated my Facebook account. Apparently I have to wait a
week or two before I can actually delete the account. A superficial read of
the help suggests that I can't log on to FB again suring this period, else
the account will be reactivated. If so, then I wonder how I can actually
delete the account, but I guess I don't have to worry about that part just
yet.

Arthur
?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 20 14:58:55 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:58:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <4cef48a2-a6a7-70c8-e163-0ab6e5eb79fa@earthlink.net>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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:-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:17:41 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

On 2/17/2018 4:55, Martin Reid wrote:
> Advertising platforms. All they are!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmuG4FC-n30

"...someone is gathering every crumb you drop ... let our formulas find 
your soul..."

PB

-----

>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Gustav Brock<mailto:gustav at cactus.dk>
> Sent: ?17/?02/?2018 09:42
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.
>
> Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?
>
> I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). :-(
>
> Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.
>
> It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Hi all
>
> If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:
>
> Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind of Spam
> https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-into-th-1823006334
>
> Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile app
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tracking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/
>
> Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.
>
> /gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 20 16:28:44 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 15:28:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <008101d3a881$e2285d20$a6791760$@bchacc.com>
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In the future will we have the right to choose or more accurately, have the ability to independently choose or even understand our choice?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 10:29:51 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

BTW why Acxiom?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/technology/acxiom-the-quiet-giant-of-consumer-database-marketing.html

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:18 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

On 2/17/2018 4:55, Martin Reid wrote:
> Advertising platforms. All they are!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmuG4FC-n30

"...someone is gathering every crumb you drop ... let our formulas find your soul..."

PB

-----

>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Gustav Brock<mailto:gustav at cactus.dk>
> Sent: ?17/?02/?2018 09:42
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
> issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Yes. Basically, Facebook was a good idea, in fact a very good idea, but turned into a greedy monster.
>
> Like Google, which started with "don't be evil" and has ended up exactly being evil and greedy - even more sneaky than Facebook, as they present a lot of good offerings and inventions, though all with the unspoken agenda - to get your data, preferable all of them.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim 
> Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sendt: 17. februar 2018 06:34:58
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Draconian...Are we now in an era where 1984 is cerebral and not physically brutal?
>
> I guess anyone who runs these apps will have to run them in a virtual 
> drive or it will mess with everything else. (I am sorry to say it but 
> Windows10 is not far behind (or ahead) but what are you going to do?). 
> :-(
>
> Aside: A good friend has a heavy duty hyper-V server with 170plus GB of RAM and he runs all his desktops on virtual drives.
>
> It too bad really as I have been keeping track of all the relatives on FB for years.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33:32 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Facebook
>
> Hi all
>
> If you haven't already signed off Facebook, now is the time:
>
> Facebook Turned Its Two-Factor Security 'Feature' Into the Worst Kind 
> of Spam
> https://gizmodo.com/facebook-turned-its-two-factor-security-feature-in
> to-th-1823006334
>
> Facebook is pushing its data-tracking Onavo VPN within its main mobile 
> app 
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/12/facebook-starts-pushing-its-data-tra
> cking-onavo-vpn-within-its-main-mobile-app/
>
> Scaring. I'm glad, I've never joined this evil virus.
>
> /gustav
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 17:22:14 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:22:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <1362863896.322615581.1519165724965.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Jim,

The simple answer is No.

Arthur

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> In the future will we have the right to choose or more accurately, have
> the ability to independently choose or even understand our choice?
>
> Jim
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 21 17:34:45 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:34:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gk6xvDuzZJaj0j9F9RH92PUhv1y+LMUVnSF6-DFZBenQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<1250032903.320462310.1519104097554.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Just think, if you were in the states, it would take longer to discard Facebook than to register a new gun. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

Yesterday I deactivated my Facebook account. Apparently I have to wait a
week or two before I can actually delete the account. A superficial read of
the help suggests that I can't log on to FB again suring this period, else
the account will be reactivated. If so, then I wonder how I can actually
delete the account, but I guess I don't have to worry about that part just
yet.

Arthur

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 21 18:28:47 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:28:47 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <2061062478.325989984.1519256085145.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <004201d3ab74$1b27b720$51772560$@bchacc.com>

So it would be easier just to shoot your computer. (Free at last, free at
last...)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

Just think, if you were in the states, it would take longer to discard
Facebook than to register a new gun. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

Yesterday I deactivated my Facebook account. Apparently I have to wait a
week or two before I can actually delete the account. A superficial read of
the help suggests that I can't log on to FB again suring this period, else
the account will be reactivated. If so, then I wonder how I can actually
delete the account, but I guess I don't have to worry about that part just
yet.

Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 21 19:55:50 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:55:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
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Hi Arthur:

My understanding, and I could be very wrong, in that any distributive type processes or data storage suffers from a being distributive. Of course the performance is gained if the volumes holding the data and/or the CPU/RAM have their own client that can independently duplicate the driver requests. This is why small requests are much slower in a distributive system. A request requiring access to huge amounts of data and the requirements for extensive CPU usage and RAM access is as quickly executed and retrieved as a small request.

The whole operations over a distributive type system is dependant on message-queing and managing the resultant retrieval.

The Cloud is just a distributive system. For small jobs a fully loaded box will always be faster...the more RAM, cores and data-space, the better. Small jobs sent to the cloud are just run on a single computer just like at your home except there is a connection hit. Of course Cloud computers have the advantage that they are probably top of the line servers and they have huge bandwidth.

I have checked out VoltDB and listened to a couple of their podcasts but have not discovered that the DB uses clients, on remote machines, to optimize it performance so I suspect that VDB just uses the default local network structure...nothing hyper fancy. Some languages, like GO, are used to develop applications that can parse and distribute complex requests to multiple machines across diverse systems...so GO is one of the new Cloud optimized languages which is capable of doing this.

Many years ago, I had a program that ran on AccessMDB. The application produced reports from a possible four databases. One MS SQL, two Oracle and one MDB. When accessing all this data, I had to be continually cautious of the potential or it would result in unceremonious MSAccess data crashes. Each ADO-OLE request had to be very specific or the resulting dump would crash everything. There is also a couple of features in ADO that can help. The chunk option, great for managing blobs/large picture files and the stream option, great for managing a potential data flood. I made the system send out a cluster of requests and had it wait until all the remote requests had been answered. If the total amount of data retrieved ever exceed a threshold I would delete the recordsets so to potentially stop a crash...it didn't always work though and that is why MSAccess couldn't seriously complete in data reporting.      

Any further revelations on how VoltDB works would be appreciated.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:26:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers

Jim,

I may be way off base here, but I think that an implementation in the cloud
might defeat the whole purpose of the VoltDB design, which is performance.
>From what I gather, it's designed to handle massive amounts of input, such
as a Bloomberg feed or a worldwide gaming site or tracking the votes in an
election, polling site by polling site. My thought (and I could be wrong
about this, since I know little about cloud technologies) is that there
would be a performance hit due to talking to the cloud. SQL Server is
designed for much smaller loads than VoltDB. The latter can easily handle
50k TPS, and upwards.

The examples given in the VoltDB documentation imply a level of hardware
vastly beyond my feeble resources, such as a dozen servers in a cluster,
each housing 64 GB of RAM.

On the other hand, there is a free community edition which could be run on
a single server. There, the point would be to load the entire database
(smallish, say 50 GB) into RAM, with a few hundred simultaneous users.
Periodically and automatically, the RAM database updates the hard disk(s).

I certainly don't pretend to understand a lot of the VoltDB implementation.
Many of its concepts I've never encountered before. Lots of the concepts
assume a collection of servers, with partitioned tables and even
partitioned indexes, and smallish tables  (i.e. lookups) duplicated on each
server, and a lot more that is beyond my meager experience.

Thanks for the links. As time permits, I will follow up, and further my
education.

Arthur

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Arthur:
>
> PS I could suggest that you check out the Framework Apache Flink:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink
>
> It is basically a structure that allow processing (CPU core and RAM use)
> across a network or cluster...ideal for Cloud computing.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:37:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
>
> You have to pick one of then most complex subjects on computers these
> days. There are a few applications that are free and OS for your Linux
> computer. One is MPI...a very old application:
>
> To do this the program(s) accessing the CPU/RAM resources must be
> specifically designed to access said resources. A system set up in this
> manner is called a cluster, and the typical way resources are shared is
> with a protocol called MPI (message passing interface). It is a free
> download and using it with Linux can yield a powerful cluster (possibly
> even a super computer) for minimal cost, but again it is useless unless you
> have programs that were specifically designed to take advantage of MPI.
> There are some good cluster tutorials out there, if you are still
> interested you should check one out.
>
> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/research/projects/mpi/
> ...and...
> http://www.mpich.org/
> ...and...
> http://www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1-installguide.pdf
> http://bit.ly/2FaMpA4
>
> Then there is PVM3 or Parallel Virtual Machine, version 3. Here is where
> to download the package:
>
> http://www.tucows.com/preview/39014/PVM
>
> Then there is applications under full development like (Very interesting):
>
> https://ramcloud.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RAM/overview
>
> I have tried some of these products that allow the file system to extend
> to all RAM and/or hard drive space but have consistently run into issues
> that I could not find a solution for. It all boiled down to older and
> limited computers being added to a cluster. It became an issue of huge
> backups and restoring which took days... OTOH, I learned how to effectively
> do backups properly and now have twice as much hardware dedicated to
> backing up the network as in the network. Of course if someone wanted to
> give me $50K and let me have a free month... ;-)
>
> If you wanted to run an application that requires a substantial amount of
> RAM, it would be better to use a Cloud based source that has all that
> functionality built right in. I would recommend that you use the services
> of DigitalOcean as there is no fixed amount of resources...you pay for what
> you use and for the amount of time you use it. I know of some companies
> doing testing of their application on DO and only do testing for an hour or
> two. Example: 192GB RAM, 32CPUs and 12TB of SSD (plus high-speed bandwidth)
> is $1.43 an hour...then there is optimized Droplets with compute optimized
> virtual machines with dedicated hyper-threads from best in class Intel CPUs
> for CPU Intensive applications like CI/CD, video encoding, machine
> learning, ad serving, batch processing and active front-end web
> servers...less RAM and HD space but only 0.95 per hour. I know of no other
> Cloud provider that gives that level of graduation.
>
> If VoltDB was written in one of the distributive optimized languages then
> it could use multi-cores across a network:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concurrent_and_
> parallel_programming_languages
> http://bit.ly/2EDazSK
>
> The old favourites like Erlang and the modern GO are two such programming
> languages. I do think that Gustav and Shamil might have some more insights
> into this environment as well.
>
> * I do have another possible solution but will send you the information
> off line.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:48:37 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] VoltDB and its treatment of RAM on multiple servers
>
> VoltDB, the (relatively) new database from Michael Stonebraker, intended
> for in-RAM databases needing to perform 50K+ transactions per second, has
> some way of treating a bunch of servers as a logical unit. IOW, 8 servers
> each equipped with 64GB of RAM can be regarded as a single 512GB unit of
> RAM. I understand how this approach can work with hard disks, but I have no
> clue how to make it work with RAM. Do you?
>
> The documentation and even packaging of VoltDB suggests that its ideal
> hardware environment is Linux (since the Windows version is installed and
> run using Docker). I don't know enough about Linux to know whether this
> "union" of servers' RAM is built-in or an innovation provided within
> VoltDB. (Speak up, Jim and other Linux gurus!)
>
> Whatever the answer, I can't see this working with the typical mix of
> Windows boxes most of us, other than the thick wallets, being able to
> cobble this together, especially since those of us with multiple boxes
> typically run different versions on different boxes, so we can support
> clients running various versions of Windows, Access, SQL, Office, etc. Add
> to that the problem that on Windows VoltDB runs only in Docker. So I think
> this is a strictly-Linux solution.
>
> Assuming that I'm correct (Linux-only), I'm still faced with the problem of
> how to implement it. Assume modest hardware, say three boxes of varying
> vintage each running the same version of Linux, and all connected. Further
> assume that as yet, VoltDB is not installed. Is it possible to treat their
> collective RAM as a single logical unit of RAM? If so, how so?
>
> --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 21 23:42:55 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:42:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <004201d3ab74$1b27b720$51772560$@bchacc.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<2060059122.313126684.1518845698366.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB112954DE5AED8DCDE935EE73CACA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<4c923d91-385d-be64-cf65-a7b41ba991cf@earthlink.net>
	<1250032903.320462310.1519104097554.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Ha ha ha :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:28:47 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

So it would be easier just to shoot your computer. (Free at last, free at
last...)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

Just think, if you were in the states, it would take longer to discard
Facebook than to register a new gun. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook

Yesterday I deactivated my Facebook account. Apparently I have to wait a
week or two before I can actually delete the account. A superficial read of
the help suggests that I can't log on to FB again suring this period, else
the account will be reactivated. If so, then I wonder how I can actually
delete the account, but I guess I don't have to worry about that part just
yet.

Arthur

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From eptept at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 06:48:22 2018
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:48:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <790101982.326773807.1519278175951.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB112999D9580D424BD9CBE0FFCAF40@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<4c923d91-385d-be64-cf65-a7b41ba991cf@earthlink.net>
	<1250032903.320462310.1519104097554.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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	<2061062478.325989984.1519256085145.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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	<790101982.326773807.1519278175951.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWtz9Awtw4M_g14H3MPfF9E5semZHoTS7R0Vw_EJP48RA@mail.gmail.com>

 Yesterday I deactivated my Facebook account. Apparently I have to wait a
week or two before I can actually delete the account. A superficial read of
the help suggests that I can't log on to FB again suring this period, else
the account will be reactivated. If so, then I wonder how I can actually
delete the account, but I guess I don't have to worry about that part just
yet.

Arthur

I deleted my Facebook account successfully based on info provided on this
list, by Gary, I believe.  However, it's my understanding that if you login
for any reason, the account is reactivated.  So be careful out there.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Ha ha ha :-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:28:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook
>
> So it would be easier just to shoot your computer. (Free at last, free at
> last...)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:35 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook
>
> Just think, if you were in the states, it would take longer to discard
> Facebook than to register a new gun. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:30:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook
>
> Yesterday I deactivated my Facebook account. Apparently I have to wait a
> week or two before I can actually delete the account. A superficial read of
> the help suggests that I can't log on to FB again suring this period, else
> the account will be reactivated. If so, then I wonder how I can actually
> delete the account, but I guess I don't have to worry about that part just
> yet.
>
> Arthur
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 10:45:09 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:45:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking at one of these on eBay, refurbished by Dell, for a good price.
My question(s) concern the ports available (the illustration does not make
it clear).

Can one connect an external monitor?
How many USB ports does it have? (Actually I need just one, since I have a
10-port bar to attach.
And one last question: the Dell Inspiron it will replace contains a 1TB
hard disk. The motherboard and CPU both got fried during an area-wide
electrical outage; the hard disk is still good. Is there any way to remove
said hard disk and connect it to the proposed new Ultrabook, at least long
enough to copy everything from it?

Two big selling points on this machine are: 1) 250gb SSD and 2) both
Windows 10 and Office 2016 are pre-installed and of course licensed. I
really want to experience booting from an SSD!
-- 
Arthur

From df.waters at outlook.com  Sat Feb 24 11:11:04 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:11:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur,

This new laptop sounds great!  Seems like it should have some kind of warranty period from the seller - or I thing you can buy a warranty from perhaps SquareTrade?

I think that you can do a Google search for 'Latitude E7240 Specifications' to get all the data you'll need to make sure this is right for you.

You can connect your 1TB hard drive to your laptop as an external drive.  First, you'll need an enclosure that you put the 1TB drive into.  That enclosure will connect to the laptop using a USB cable.  I've had two of these and they are great for the occasional use.

On Amazon I searched on '2.5 hard drive enclosure' and found many of these that are under $10.  All the ones I've had branded NexStar Vantec and they've all worked without failure (at least that I did not cause!).

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: February 24, 2018 10:45
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question

I'm looking at one of these on eBay, refurbished by Dell, for a good price.
My question(s) concern the ports available (the illustration does not make it clear).

Can one connect an external monitor?
How many USB ports does it have? (Actually I need just one, since I have a 10-port bar to attach.
And one last question: the Dell Inspiron it will replace contains a 1TB hard disk. The motherboard and CPU both got fried during an area-wide electrical outage; the hard disk is still good. Is there any way to remove said hard disk and connect it to the proposed new Ultrabook, at least long enough to copy everything from it?

Two big selling points on this machine are: 1) 250gb SSD and 2) both Windows 10 and Office 2016 are pre-installed and of course licensed. I really want to experience booting from an SSD!
--
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 24 11:19:21 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:19:21 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7dac7a77-8bbe-96b0-e3ff-4d99b931250f@earthlink.net>

On 2/24/2018 10:45, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I'm looking at one of these on eBay, refurbished by Dell, for a good price.
> My question(s) concern the ports available (the illustration does not make
> it clear).
>
> Can one connect an external monitor?
> How many USB ports does it have? (Actually I need just one, since I have a
> 10-port bar to attach.

Googling Dell latitude specs will get those answers.

> And one last question: the Dell Inspiron it will replace contains a 1TB
> hard disk. The motherboard and CPU both got fried during an area-wide
> electrical outage; the hard disk is still good. Is there any way to remove
> said hard disk and connect it to the proposed new Ultrabook, at least long
> enough to copy everything from it?

Sure. For most every popular laptop on the planet there's a YouTube vid 
showing how to remove a hard disk or SSD. Buy a $20 USB 2.5 inch HD 
enclosure, connect it to the laptop and off you go.

> Two big selling points on this machine are: 1) 250gb SSD and 2) both
> Windows 10 and Office 2016 are pre-installed and of course licensed. I
> really want to experience booting from an SSD!

Yep, a couple of secs and it's up.

PB



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 11:36:49 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:36:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <7dac7a77-8bbe-96b0-e3ff-4d99b931250f@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7dac7a77-8bbe-96b0-e3ff-4d99b931250f@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jM15fOU5VE1FNiBHzJn3PsiyqeFcwdnnrYaB9E25TvbA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Dan and Peter. Much appreciated.

One last question, concerning my ever-trusted legacy tower, an HP
Millenium. Is it possible to purchase some sort of bay and install an SSD
within it, to replace one of its two hard disks? (Or maybe I could simply
add an SSD and preserve both hard disks; on the other hand, one hard disk
is a tawdry 80gb, so I could lose that without a tear.)

Arthur
?

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 24 11:39:45 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:39:45 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jM15fOU5VE1FNiBHzJn3PsiyqeFcwdnnrYaB9E25TvbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7dac7a77-8bbe-96b0-e3ff-4d99b931250f@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jM15fOU5VE1FNiBHzJn3PsiyqeFcwdnnrYaB9E25TvbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53d2e748-960c-b77b-92b4-60565ec0195b@earthlink.net>

On 2/24/2018 11:36, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Thanks Dan and Peter. Much appreciated.
>
> One last question, concerning my ever-trusted legacy tower, an HP
> Millenium. Is it possible to purchase some sort of bay and install an SSD
> within it, to replace one of its two hard disks? (Or maybe I could simply
> add an SSD and preserve both hard disks; on the other hand, one hard disk
> is a tawdry 80gb, so I could lose that without a tear.)

Prob'ly simpler to buy one SSD, copy the contents of the current 2nd HD 
on to it.

PB

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 24 11:42:57 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 10:42:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1000108236.334189048.1519494177888.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

The simple answer to all your questions is "yes".

You have a powered 10 port USB hub I assume from your description. As long as you have access to a USB port you have the ability to attach extra monitors...you will need some hardware though. (In another life I use to connect multiple monitors from a USB hubs all the time...it could get complex with the software integration but I am sure it's much easier now as all that complexity is handled by the OS...) Any computer store will have what you need and it is not expensive.

An external harddrive cases, depending on the drive being fitted and where it is purchased can cost from $10 to $100...not a huge investment. If you are apprehensive about doing the hardware work, most small computer shops do the assembly for $50.

There is one big recommendation I have for you. Buy an APC UPS. It is obvious that your building is not setup for power issues so you will have to do it yourself. The beauty of having a UPS is that it also has "parachute" software and as the name implies if the power does go out, beyond the UPS battery's limit, the computer will automatically log off and safely shutdown.

If you have not used an SSD drive before you will love its quiet ultra-reliable performance.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:45:09 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question

I'm looking at one of these on eBay, refurbished by Dell, for a good price.
My question(s) concern the ports available (the illustration does not make
it clear).

Can one connect an external monitor?
How many USB ports does it have? (Actually I need just one, since I have a
10-port bar to attach.
And one last question: the Dell Inspiron it will replace contains a 1TB
hard disk. The motherboard and CPU both got fried during an area-wide
electrical outage; the hard disk is still good. Is there any way to remove
said hard disk and connect it to the proposed new Ultrabook, at least long
enough to copy everything from it?

Two big selling points on this machine are: 1) 250gb SSD and 2) both
Windows 10 and Office 2016 are pre-installed and of course licensed. I
really want to experience booting from an SSD!
-- 
Arthur
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Sat Feb 24 11:51:33 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:51:33 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jM15fOU5VE1FNiBHzJn3PsiyqeFcwdnnrYaB9E25TvbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7dac7a77-8bbe-96b0-e3ff-4d99b931250f@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jM15fOU5VE1FNiBHzJn3PsiyqeFcwdnnrYaB9E25TvbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CO1PR19MB08079AFA4EBB0C308C1F07A7F6C30@CO1PR19MB0807.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur,

You can by an adapter which allows an SSD to be mounted into an HD bay in a desktop PC. On Amazon look up 'Corsair Dual SSD Mounting Bracket 3.5" CSSD-BRKT2'.  It's about $8.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: February 24, 2018 11:37
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question

Thanks Dan and Peter. Much appreciated.

One last question, concerning my ever-trusted legacy tower, an HP Millenium. Is it possible to purchase some sort of bay and install an SSD within it, to replace one of its two hard disks? (Or maybe I could simply add an SSD and preserve both hard disks; on the other hand, one hard disk is a tawdry 80gb, so I could lose that without a tear.)

Arthur
?
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Feb 24 11:55:02 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:55:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jM15fOU5VE1FNiBHzJn3PsiyqeFcwdnnrYaB9E25TvbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>	<7dac7a77-8bbe-96b0-e3ff-4d99b931250f@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jM15fOU5VE1FNiBHzJn3PsiyqeFcwdnnrYaB9E25TvbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901d3ad98$986163f0$c9242bd0$@bchacc.com>

I put an SSD into my Dell XPS and it was a piece of cake.  Installed an OS.  Installed Office and other stuff I needed.  Copied my clients' stuff from the old hard drive to the SSD and walla! Bob's your uncle.

I did have to change the boot order to boot from the new SSD drive but that was probably the most technical part.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question

Thanks Dan and Peter. Much appreciated.

One last question, concerning my ever-trusted legacy tower, an HP Millenium. Is it possible to purchase some sort of bay and install an SSD within it, to replace one of its two hard disks? (Or maybe I could simply add an SSD and preserve both hard disks; on the other hand, one hard disk is a tawdry 80gb, so I could lose that without a tear.)

Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 12:08:45 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:08:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Latitude E7240 Ultrabook question
In-Reply-To: <1000108236.334189048.1519494177888.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1h3q6LEfYsbfo2+pJNS9wL8od=e57WVS51GeL_dW1kjbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1000108236.334189048.1519494177888.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Jim,

Thanks for the input and recommendations. I shall follow up soon.

I'm pretty good at software but woefully ignorant about hardware, so I
appreciate your assistance on that front.

First, my HP Millenium is pretty much dinosaur tech, but she (female
listers, it's an old habit acquired from the Navy to name your ships after
the women in your life that escaped your attempts at seduction, or else
Goddesses with whom you had not a whisper of a chance); her name is Babe,
c.f. "I Got You,Babe" from Sonny and Cher, which dates me, I realize, but
you already knew that. Babe has persisted at least a dozen years, probably
more; she came pre-installed with Windows 7, so that dates her; but like
Sophia Loren, she remains utterly magnificently beautiful and desirable
beyond belief. Until I replace the dead laptop I'm back with Babe, and for
email she is perfect.

As soon as I replace the dead laptop, my intention is to transform Babe
into a Linux Babe. I've been reluctant to do so for a year or more, but
perhaps the time has come. Or maybe not. For about $100 I can buy a
refurbished box and dedicate it to Linux; maybe that's a better path. My
internet modem supports lots of devices so that part is not problematic.

A.

P.S.
This is fun! Not being a hardware guy, I'm looking forward to this
adventure.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 27 01:23:52 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 00:23:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtualing Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB11293EBF62CF769142010BC9CAFC0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1781618708.299343792.1518462743863.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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It is not difficult to run up an instance of Virtualbox, VMware or maybe Hyper-V server so to virtualize an operational copy of an OS, like Windows10, but those virtual applications can be such pigs on resources. I have always wanted to be able to virtualize an OS like Windows10 on a super lean capability layer (the original virtual drive) like KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine), and with the following article I have been able to do it...in only approximately 250MB :-)

https://heiko-sieger.info/running-windows-10-on-linux-using-kvm-with-vga-passthrough/
http://bit.ly/2osFOtK

Note: the articles procedures are really the most basic command line method. It can be implemented more quickly via a Bash script, powershell or graphical interface like Proxmox (https://www.proxmox.com/en/)...but I think it was good to do it at the most basic level so as to really learn the process.

Jim

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 10:07:20 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:07:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avoiding common wi-fi attacks
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gcG=jmu=-_M+N5=EcCobw1oE7gxDsesM8_kMSMiVhXhA@mail.gmail.com>

Chances are that you already know most or all the stuff covered in this
article
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/common-wireless-network-attacks/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=27022018>
from
Make Tech Easier, but it might be worth a peek anyway, and perhaps forward
to your un-geek friends and relatives.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 27 15:27:41 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:27:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avoiding common wi-fi attacks
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gcG=jmu=-_M+N5=EcCobw1oE7gxDsesM8_kMSMiVhXhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gcG=jmu=-_M+N5=EcCobw1oE7gxDsesM8_kMSMiVhXhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <246829440.342940344.1519766861383.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

That's a good link. The main security feature we can get from the article is:

How do I stay safe?

1. Get a VPN (Virtual Private Network), which will take your sent and received data, encrypt it, and channel it through a server somewhere else. While they don?t guarantee 100% protection, especially against a determined attacker, they will usually stop you from being selected as an easy target.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:07:20 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Avoiding common wi-fi attacks

Chances are that you already know most or all the stuff covered in this
article
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/common-wireless-network-attacks/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=27022018>
from
Make Tech Easier, but it might be worth a peek anyway, and perhaps forward
to your un-geek friends and relatives.

-- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb  7 14:21:42 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 20:21:42 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Simple online entry form solution
In-Reply-To: <5daaa958-276b-7174-accf-16f8fbb6ab6c@earthlink.net>
References: <00e001d39fc0$da5a13f0$8f0e3bd0$@gmail.com>,
	<009a01d3a00b$79399e60$6bacdb20$@gmail.com>,
	<5daaa958-276b-7174-accf-16f8fbb6ab6c@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5A7B5FC6.26413.272A03F3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

This Quora post crossed my desk the other day.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-PHP-programmers-are-not-considered-as-real-progra
mmers

You could subsititue Access/VBA for PHP in the comments and it would repeat what we have 
all been saying for years :)
...
Typical response: 
<begin quote>
"PHP is so simple for any developer (someone who?s already learned programming itself) to 
learn that it?s gotten such a bad reputation - because people with no idea of how to build 
websites can build garbage with PHP."

It's so easy to get started with PHP that a lot of people just do that and produce a lot of 
amateur code, leading to a bad reputation not only of the language, but also of the people 
writing in it.
<end quote>

-- 
Stuart

On 7 Feb 2018 at 11:22, Peter Brawley wrote:

> On 2/7/2018 6:02, Susan Harkins wrote:
> > That was one of the OT crew suggestions too. I don't know php but
> > don't mind learning enough of it to make that happen. My one
> > consideration is that this is a pro bono project for a nonprofit.
> > They need something that I can show them how to support it when I'm
> > not available -- if I can come up with one.
> 
> PHP has the quickest learning curve of any language I know. Most web
> hosting companies support it.
> 
> PB
> 
> -----
> 
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > On 2/6/2018 21:07, Susan Harkins wrote:
> >> I'm currently looking for a very simple way to solicit data from
> >> very unsavvy users. I have OneDrive for Business but I've found
> >> Excel Online Forms very limited. I need to limit responses using
> >> dropdowns. Also, I can't figure out how to edit a form once I've
> >> saved and shared it.
> >>
> >> Or either of these possible?
> >>
> >> I'm also looking at Googles Spreadsheet. I've got a script that
> >> will let me create a form based on the sheet, but again, I need
> >> populated dropdowns -- and I don't know if the form will pick up on
> >> those. I haven't tried yet.
> >>
> >> The 365 Excel Online Form would probably be the easiest and
> >> quickest route for me if I can generate dropdowns and edit the
> >> forms as needed.
> >>
> >> Looking for suggestions. Thanks!
> > Susan,
> >
> > They're a snap in PHP. This one grabs its dropdown entries from
> > MySQL but it's every bit as easy writing to MSSQL ...
> >
> > |<html>
> > <head>
> > |<script type='text/Javascript'>
> >       function submit( f ) {
> >         f.submit();
> >       }
> >     </script>|
> > </head>
> > <body>
> > <form>
> > |
> > |<?php
> > $conn = mysqli_connnect(...);
> > $resfoo = mysqli_query( $conn, "SELECT foo FROM footable" )
> >             or exit( "Cannot retrieve foo values" ); echo "<b>Foo
> >             Value:</b>&nbsp;n"; echo " <select name='foo'
> >             onChange='submit(this.form)'>n"; while( $row =
> >             mysqli_fetch_row( $resfoo )) { $sel = ( $table ===
> >             $row[0] ) ? "id='sel' selected" : ""; printf( " <option
> >             %s value='%s'>%s</option>n", $sel, $row[0], $row[0] ); }
> >             echo " </select>n"; echo " <input id='edit'
> >             type='button' value='Pick a foo'
> >             onClick='submit(this.form)'>n"; ?>|
> > |
> > </form>
> > </body></html>
> >
> > PB
> >
> > -----
> > |
> >
> >
> >> Susan H.
> >>
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