From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 3 11:30:48 2018 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 10:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] KaiOS In-Reply-To: <1558131674.184914813.1528735712494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <1128608692.158632320.1528391451370.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <009201d3fe8b$d62bcba0$828362e0$@bchacc.com> <933822770.161342468.1528419867100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <827161459.161481093.1528422379335.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <1558131674.184914813.1528735712494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <2056099415.45275012.1530635448243.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Google Leads Series A Investment Round in KaiOS to Connect Next Billion Users. Is the above the new operating system for Google phones or just the OS for cheap burner phones? https://www.kaiostech.com/google-leads-seriesa-investment-round-kaios-connect-next-billion-users/ http://bit.ly/2NliV68 https://www.kaiostech.com/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 3 11:33:59 2018 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 10:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Platinum membership In-Reply-To: <1558131674.184914813.1528735712494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <1128608692.158632320.1528391451370.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <009201d3fe8b$d62bcba0$828362e0$@bchacc.com> <933822770.161342468.1528419867100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <827161459.161481093.1528422379335.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <1558131674.184914813.1528735712494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1260885314.45297052.1530635639021.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Google follows Microsoft and Google ups its Linux Foundation membership to the $500,000/year Platinum level. https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/27/google-ups-its-linux-foundation-membership-to-the-500000-year-platinum-level/ https://tcrn.ch/2IPKfpY Jim From accesspro at cox.net Wed Jul 4 03:59:00 2018 From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 01:59:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Message-ID: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 06:43:19 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 07:43:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <005101d4138c$34e06f60$9ea14e20$@gmail.com> Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accesspro at cox.net Wed Jul 4 07:50:05 2018 From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 05:50:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> Message-ID: <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> The desktop version. Thx -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 4:43 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 07:56:20 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 08:56:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> Message-ID: <010b01d41396$6839d630$38ad8290$@gmail.com> Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more information or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob From accesspro at cox.net Wed Jul 4 09:36:25 2018 From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 07:36:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> Message-ID: <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> Thanks Susan I particularly hoped you might have an answer. >From what I have read, seems I would have the same issue with O2016. Almost ready to install O2010. -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 5:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more infomation or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 09:47:48 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:47:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <01a701d413a5$faa42520$efec6f60$@gmail.com> Good luck -- I'm sorry I can't be more helpful! It does seem like a feature a lot of people want because a lot has been written about it and always the same... you can't do it. ? It's possible that on Exchange (and with some 365 subscriptions you get online Exchange) or some expert development, it can be done, but both are over my head with Outlook. If you want to contact a few to look into it further, I'm glad to recommend a couple of good ones. Susan H. Thanks Susan I particularly hoped you might have an answer. >From what I have read, seems I would have the same issue with O2016. Almost ready to install O2010. Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more infomation or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Wed Jul 4 11:17:56 2018 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 16:17:56 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <01a701d413a5$faa42520$efec6f60$@gmail.com> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> <01a701d413a5$faa42520$efec6f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Slipstick.com is an Outlook help site that has a lot on it. Maybe?? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: July 4, 2018 09:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Good luck -- I'm sorry I can't be more helpful! It does seem like a feature a lot of people want because a lot has been written about it and always the same... you can't do it. ? It's possible that on Exchange (and with some 365 subscriptions you get online Exchange) or some expert development, it can be done, but both are over my head with Outlook. If you want to contact a few to look into it further, I'm glad to recommend a couple of good ones. Susan H. Thanks Susan I particularly hoped you might have an answer. >From what I have read, seems I would have the same issue with O2016. Almost ready to install O2010. Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more infomation or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jul 4 12:05:18 2018 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 17:05:18 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> Message-ID: If they're imap or exchange then you can't. But you can still set up most emails with pop3, then you can. You just have to make sure you set the data storage to an existing file. You can change that after the fact by going into accounts and data storage. It worked the same with O2010 so I'm assuming you could open 2010 to see what your account settings were. If you have the business O365 then you can use the web interface to bring email from other accounts directly into your main email by finding "connectors" and setting those up. Then you only have to have your main account setup on the desktop. That's a better setup because then you get the benefit of MS exchange's spam and malware scanning. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: accesspro at cox.net Sent: ?7/?4/?2018 3:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 13:01:47 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:01:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <02a301d413c1$13f4e760$3bdeb620$@gmail.com> We'll that's interesting. Thanks for the info. Susan H. If you have the business O365 then you can use the web interface to bring email from other accounts directly into your main email by finding "connectors" and setting those up. Then you only have to have your main account setup on the desktop. That's a better setup because then you get the benefit of MS exchange's spam and malware scanning. From accesspro at cox.net Wed Jul 4 19:44:12 2018 From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 17:44:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <6gJE1y03s0xgD8Z01gJG0f> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> <01a701d413a5$faa42520$efec6f60$@gmail.com> <6gJE1y03s0xgD8Z01gJG0f> Message-ID: <007f01d413f9$4b2ecdd0$e18c6970$@cox.net> YES It just takes adding the new email account and using the "manual" feature. At that point, you given an option to use a .pst file as well. Gotta love slipstick.com Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 9:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Slipstick.com is an Outlook help site that has a lot on it. Maybe?? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: July 4, 2018 09:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Good luck -- I'm sorry I can't be more helpful! It does seem like a feature a lot of people want because a lot has been written about it and always the same... you can't do it. ? It's possible that on Exchange (and with some 365 subscriptions you get online Exchange) or some expert development, it can be done, but both are over my head with Outlook. If you want to contact a few to look into it further, I'm glad to recommend a couple of good ones. Susan H. Thanks Susan I particularly hoped you might have an answer. >From what I have read, seems I would have the same issue with O2016. Almost ready to install O2010. Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more infomation or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Wed Jul 4 20:11:20 2018 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 01:11:20 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <007f01d413f9$4b2ecdd0$e18c6970$@cox.net> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> <01a701d413a5$faa42520$efec6f60$@gmail.com> <6gJE1y03s0xgD8Z01gJG0f> <007f01d413f9$4b2ecdd0$e18c6970$@cox.net> Message-ID: That's cool! :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of accesspro at cox.net Sent: July 4, 2018 19:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 YES It just takes adding the new email account and using the "manual" feature. At that point, you given an option to use a .pst file as well. Gotta love slipstick.com Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 9:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Slipstick.com is an Outlook help site that has a lot on it. Maybe?? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: July 4, 2018 09:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Good luck -- I'm sorry I can't be more helpful! It does seem like a feature a lot of people want because a lot has been written about it and always the same... you can't do it. ? It's possible that on Exchange (and with some 365 subscriptions you get online Exchange) or some expert development, it can be done, but both are over my head with Outlook. If you want to contact a few to look into it further, I'm glad to recommend a couple of good ones. Susan H. Thanks Susan I particularly hoped you might have an answer. >From what I have read, seems I would have the same issue with O2016. Almost ready to install O2010. Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more infomation or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 20:13:25 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 21:13:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> <01a701d413a5$faa42520$efec6f60$@gmail.com> <6gJE1y03s0xgD8Z01gJG0f> <007f01d413f9$4b2ecdd0$e18c6970$@cox.net> Message-ID: <002e01d413fd$606bfb10$2143f130$@gmail.com> Can you send a link? Susan H. That's cool! :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of accesspro at cox.net Sent: July 4, 2018 19:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 YES It just takes adding the new email account and using the "manual" feature. At that point, you given an option to use a .pst file as well. Gotta love slipstick.com Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 9:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Slipstick.com is an Outlook help site that has a lot on it. Maybe?? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: July 4, 2018 09:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Good luck -- I'm sorry I can't be more helpful! It does seem like a feature a lot of people want because a lot has been written about it and always the same... you can't do it. ? It's possible that on Exchange (and with some 365 subscriptions you get online Exchange) or some expert development, it can be done, but both are over my head with Outlook. If you want to contact a few to look into it further, I'm glad to recommend a couple of good ones. Susan H. Thanks Susan I particularly hoped you might have an answer. >From what I have read, seems I would have the same issue with O2016. Almost ready to install O2010. Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more infomation or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accesspro at cox.net Wed Jul 4 23:11:45 2018 From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 21:11:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 In-Reply-To: <6pDk1y00h0xgD8Z01pDlNU> References: <00fd01d41375$3fec9e40$bfc5dac0$@cox.net> <6bje1y0060xgD8Z01bjfwr> <012501d41395$880faad0$982f0070$@cox.net> <6cwr1y01j0xgD8Z01cwtpF> <013401d413a4$62cddd50$286997f0$@cox.net> <01a701d413a5$faa42520$efec6f60$@gmail.com> <6gJE1y03s0xgD8Z01gJG0f> <007f01d413f9$4b2ecdd0$e18c6970$@cox.net> <6pDk1y00h0xgD8Z01pDlNU> Message-ID: <008a01d41416$49ae1b10$dd0a5130$@cox.net> Not sure if you have to register or ??? https://forums.slipstick.com/threads/96203-outlook-365/ bob -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 6:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Can you send a link? Susan H. That's cool! :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of accesspro at cox.net Sent: July 4, 2018 19:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 YES It just takes adding the new email account and using the "manual" feature. At that point, you given an option to use a .pst file as well. Gotta love slipstick.com Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 9:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Slipstick.com is an Outlook help site that has a lot on it. Maybe?? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: July 4, 2018 09:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook 365 Good luck -- I'm sorry I can't be more helpful! It does seem like a feature a lot of people want because a lot has been written about it and always the same... you can't do it. ? It's possible that on Exchange (and with some 365 subscriptions you get online Exchange) or some expert development, it can be done, but both are over my head with Outlook. If you want to contact a few to look into it further, I'm glad to recommend a couple of good ones. Susan H. Thanks Susan I particularly hoped you might have an answer. >From what I have read, seems I would have the same issue with O2016. Almost ready to install O2010. Bob: Unfortunately, I don't believe it's possible -- IMAP is the problem I think, but not sure. I hope someone else can give you more infomation or possibly a solution. But, after a bit of research on my own for someone else, I wasn't able to do it -- but I'm not an Outlook expert either. Susan H. The desktop version. Thx Are you setting up the online Mail or the desktop version? Susan H. I am looking for some help with a new install of Outlook 365. My old set up was O2010. It used a .pst file. i was able to check 5+ email accounts see the incoming emails in the one inbox. Life was good. To get ready for the new install, I did a test on an old laptop. I was forced to enter an email address, which I did. I thought that I was setting up what used to be called "accounts". But I soon realized I now had 6 inboxs. I then imported my old .pst file. Still another inbox. How can I get all my email to go to the one inbox that has all my old folders ? I read up on pst vs ost and became more knowledgeable, but still not to recreate my old setup. Tia Bob _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 07:00:11 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 08:00:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 download service Message-ID: <038601d415ea$0f1f5830$2d5e0890$@gmail.com> Hi everyone! I use Edge on a Windows 10 64-bit system. At least two times (that I can remember) in the last few weeks, I've closed the browser and received a confirmation dialog -- something to the effect that files are downloading and I will lose them. I've not been downloading files so I've closed the browser, and I just thought it was an error. I don't have any reason to believe that I've been hacked or anything, but if it happens again, I would like to check Task Manager to see if something actually is downloading before closing Edge. I'd also like to check periodically when Edge is open, just to make sure. I ran a quick search trying to determine what Windows service to look for, but I'm just finding links for how to download Windows 10 and other third-party downloading products. I've tried rewording the request, using different keywords, but I'm not hitting it right. Can someone help me out? Thanks! Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 17:19:42 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:19:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition Message-ID: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> video-seycring website I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me what this means? Susan H. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 11 17:48:15 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:48:15 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B46892F.29179.1BD6ADB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> NO idea. I'd guess a VERY bad typo. What's the context? On 11 Jul 2018 at 18:19, Susan Harkins wrote: > video-seycring website > > I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me > what this means? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 11 17:51:11 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:51:11 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B4689DF.31154.1C01B27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> video-sharing website ? On 11 Jul 2018 at 18:19, Susan Harkins wrote: > video-seycring website > > I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me > what this means? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 11 17:57:49 2018 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:57:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901d4196a$97b24ee0$c716eca0$@bchacc.com> Type should be scrying Scry: foretell the future using a crystal ball or other reflective object or surface. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition video-seycring website I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me what this means? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 18:07:34 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:07:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <5B46892F.29179.1BD6ADB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> <5B46892F.29179.1BD6ADB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <004701d4196b$f4b86fb0$de294f10$@gmail.com> Thanks -- a search turned up lots of security pages, but I never found it in the text. Susan H. NO idea. I'd guess a VERY bad typo. What's the context? On 11 Jul 2018 at 18:19, Susan Harkins wrote: > video-seycring website > > I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me > what this means? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 18:19:13 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:19:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <5B4689DF.31154.1C01B27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> <5B4689DF.31154.1C01B27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <005201d4196d$954ce040$bfe6a0c0$@gmail.com> That is the context of the discussion. Susan H. video-sharing website ? > video-seycring website > > I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me > what this means? > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 18:20:36 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:20:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <001901d4196a$97b24ee0$c716eca0$@bchacc.com> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> <001901d4196a$97b24ee0$c716eca0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <005f01d4196d$c658b920$530a2b60$@gmail.com> Doesn't make any sense, but I did consider it. ? Susan H Type should be scrying Scry: foretell the future using a crystal ball or other reflective object or surface. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition video-seycring website I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me what this means? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 11 18:30:01 2018 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:30:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <005f01d4196d$c658b920$530a2b60$@gmail.com> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> <001901d4196a$97b24ee0$c716eca0$@bchacc.com> <005f01d4196d$c658b920$530a2b60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01d4196f$16e13830$44a3a890$@bchacc.com> Perhaps it refers to scrying with the shiny or glowing object being your monitor instead of a crystal ball, black mirror or whatever? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] term definition Doesn't make any sense, but I did consider it. ? Susan H Type should be scrying Scry: foretell the future using a crystal ball or other reflective object or surface. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition video-seycring website I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me what this means? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 18:36:53 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:36:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition In-Reply-To: <002d01d4196f$16e13830$44a3a890$@bchacc.com> References: <000b01d41965$44a9b170$cdfd1450$@gmail.com> <001901d4196a$97b24ee0$c716eca0$@bchacc.com> <005f01d4196d$c658b920$530a2b60$@gmail.com> <002d01d4196f$16e13830$44a3a890$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <000301d41970$0cff8190$26fe84b0$@gmail.com> Well... I'm just glad to know I'm not alone on this. ? Technical terms are often a bit outrageous. Susan H. Perhaps it refers to scrying with the shiny or glowing object being your monitor instead of a crystal ball, black mirror or whatever? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] term definition Doesn't make any sense, but I did consider it. ? Susan H Type should be scrying Scry: foretell the future using a crystal ball or other reflective object or surface. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrying r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] term definition video-seycring website I've tried looking it up -- can't find anything. Can someone tell me what this means? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Jul 16 05:54:45 2018 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:54:45 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Question Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> We are running a script to delete a few million records from a CRM SQL Server. This bit is confusing us "While 1 =1" . We can't understand how this would ever evaluate to anything other than 1 =1? IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes WHERE name = N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') DROP Index AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted GO CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO while(1=1) begin We also ran the full script for 34 hours and it ran successfully but turns out left 22million records undeleted all of which meet the deletion criteria! It's a Microsoft script. Confusing. Martin From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 06:05:28 2018 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:05:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Its quite bad coding really, it means to just create sn inifinite loop, so I would imagine there may be another condition statement inside the begin and end which tells the system to break the loop but still bad coding practice in my opinion Paul On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, 11:55 Martin Reid, wrote: > We are running a script to delete a few million records from a CRM SQL > Server. This bit is confusing us "While 1 =1" . We can't understand how > this would ever evaluate to anything other than 1 =1? > > IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes > WHERE name = N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') > DROP Index AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > GO > CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) > GO > > while(1=1) > begin > > We also ran the full script for 34 hours and it ran successfully but turns > out left 22million records undeleted all of which meet the deletion > criteria! > > It's a Microsoft script. Confusing. > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 07:02:34 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:02:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <005901d41cfc$e25fea20$a71fbe60$@gmail.com> >From what I've read, it's for testing -- a placeholder of sorts. I'd delete it and try again. Susan H. We are running a script to delete a few million records from a CRM SQL Server. This bit is confusing us "While 1 =1" . We can't understand how this would ever evaluate to anything other than 1 =1? IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes WHERE name = N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') DROP Index AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted GO CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO while(1=1) begin We also ran the full script for 34 hours and it ran successfully but turns out left 22million records undeleted all of which meet the deletion criteria! It's a Microsoft script. Confusing. Martin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 16 07:46:34 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:46:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Question In-Reply-To: <005901d41cfc$e25fea20$a71fbe60$@gmail.com> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <005901d41cfc$e25fea20$a71fbe60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B4C93AA.2521.112DB9A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I assume that it looks like: WHILE (1=1) BEGIN .... IF..... BREAK; .... END It's a common way to create an infinite loop since SQL doen't have an absolute. DO_LOOP construct. But it s inefficent because (1=1) has to be evaluated on every iteration. Again, without knowing what's in the BEGIN... END loop, it's hard to tell, but from how long it takes, I'd suspect that it is using a cursor, stepping through a large recordset and deleting records one at a time. This is often called RBAR programming ( "Row By Agonising Row") and is notoriously slow with large recordsets. Far better to try using one or a series of set based deletions i.e DELETE FROM.... WHERE... It may be worth googling SQL RBAR for lots of discussion on the subject. :-) On 16 Jul 2018 at 8:02, Susan Harkins wrote: > From what I've read, it's for testing -- a placeholder of sorts. I'd > delete it and try again. > > Susan H. > > > We are running a script to delete a few million records from a CRM SQL > Server. This bit is confusing us "While 1 =1" . We can't understand > how this would ever evaluate to anything other than 1 =1? > > IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes > WHERE name = N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') > DROP Index > AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > GO > CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] > ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO > > while(1=1) > begin > > We also ran the full script for 34 hours and it ran successfully but > turns out left 22million records undeleted all of which meet the > deletion criteria! > > It's a Microsoft script. Confusing. > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Jul 16 07:49:39 2018 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:49:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Question In-Reply-To: <5B4C93AA.2521.112DB9A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <005901d41cfc$e25fea20$a71fbe60$@gmail.com> <5B4C93AA.2521.112DB9A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18B32@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> It's an available MS script Their engineer told us only supported way to do this. Full Script is IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes WHERE name = N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') DROP Index AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted GO CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO while(1=1) begin declare @DeleteRowCount int = 10000 declare @rowsAffected int declare @DeletedAsyncRowsTable table (AsyncOperationId uniqueidentifier not null primary key) insert into @DeletedAsyncRowsTable(AsyncOperationId) Select top (@DeleteRowCount) AsyncOperationId from AsyncOperationBase where OperationType in (1, 9, 12, 25, 27, 10) AND StateCode = 3 AND StatusCode in (30, 32) select @rowsAffected = @@rowcount delete poa from PrincipalObjectAccess poa join WorkflowLogBase wlb on poa.ObjectId = wlb.WorkflowLogId join @DeletedAsyncRowsTable dart on wlb.AsyncOperationId = dart.AsyncOperationId delete WorkflowLogBase from WorkflowLogBase W, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where W.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId delete BulkDeleteFailureBase From BulkDeleteFailureBase B, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where B.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId delete BulkDeleteOperationBase From BulkDeleteOperationBase O, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where O.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId delete WorkflowWaitSubscriptionBase from WorkflowWaitSubscriptionBase WS, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where WS.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationID delete AsyncOperationBase From AsyncOperationBase A, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where A.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId /*If not calling from a SQL job, use the WAITFOR DELAY*/ if(@DeleteRowCount > @rowsAffected) return else WAITFOR DELAY '00:00:02.000' end -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SQL Question I assume that it looks like: WHILE (1=1) BEGIN .... IF..... BREAK; .... END It's a common way to create an infinite loop since SQL doen't have an absolute. DO_LOOP construct. But it s inefficent because (1=1) has to be evaluated on every iteration. Again, without knowing what's in the BEGIN... END loop, it's hard to tell, but from how long it takes, I'd suspect that it is using a cursor, stepping through a large recordset and deleting records one at a time. This is often called RBAR programming ( "Row By Agonising Row") and is notoriously slow with large recordsets. Far better to try using one or a series of set based deletions i.e DELETE FROM.... WHERE... It may be worth googling SQL RBAR for lots of discussion on the subject. :-) On 16 Jul 2018 at 8:02, Susan Harkins wrote: > From what I've read, it's for testing -- a placeholder of sorts. I'd > delete it and try again. > > Susan H. > > > We are running a script to delete a few million records from a CRM SQL > Server. This bit is confusing us "While 1 =1" . We can't understand > how this would ever evaluate to anything other than 1 =1? > > IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes WHERE name = > N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') > DROP Index > AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > GO > CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] > ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO > > while(1=1) > begin > > We also ran the full script for 34 hours and it ran successfully but > turns out left 22million records undeleted all of which meet the > deletion criteria! > > It's a Microsoft script. Confusing. > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 16 08:32:32 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 23:32:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18B32@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <5B4C93AA.2521.112DB9A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18B32@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5B4C9E70.27991.1157CF2B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Ok, it's not RBAR :) They are deleting sets of 10,000 records at a time (and creating an index frist to make selecting those 10,000 records as quick as possible) They are grabbing the PK of 10,000 records at a time into a temporary table.then deleting all related records in another table doing an INNER JOIN between the temp table and the related table. They repeat this process for six different tables in each loop. The WHILE (1=1) keeps the BEGIN....END block repeating until: if(@DeleteRowCount > @rowsAffected) return That is - if the last "Select top (@DeleteRowCount) AsyncOperationId from AsyncOperationBase" returned less than 10,000 records we have processed the last block of matching records so exit the proecdure Not sure why it needs a 2 second delay on each iteration, but apart from that, it all looks good to me. Looks fairly well optimised assuming that AsyncOperationId is indexed in each of the tables being deleted (that may be worth checking). (Those delays only add about half an hour for 22 million records.) On 16 Jul 2018 at 12:49, Martin Reid wrote: > It's an available MS script Their engineer told us only supported way > to do this. Full Script is > > IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes > WHERE name = N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') > DROP Index > AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > GO > CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] > ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO > > while(1=1) > begin > declare @DeleteRowCount int = 10000 > declare @rowsAffected int > declare @DeletedAsyncRowsTable table (AsyncOperationId > uniqueidentifier not null primary key) insert into > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable(AsyncOperationId) Select top (@DeleteRowCount) > AsyncOperationId from AsyncOperationBase where > OperationType in (1, 9, 12, 25, 27, 10) > AND StateCode = 3 > AND StatusCode in (30, 32) > > select @rowsAffected = @@rowcount > delete poa from PrincipalObjectAccess poa > join WorkflowLogBase wlb on > poa.ObjectId = wlb.WorkflowLogId > join @DeletedAsyncRowsTable dart on > wlb.AsyncOperationId = dart.AsyncOperationId > delete WorkflowLogBase from WorkflowLogBase W, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable > d where > W.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId > delete BulkDeleteFailureBase From BulkDeleteFailureBase B, > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d > where > B.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId > delete BulkDeleteOperationBase From BulkDeleteOperationBase O, > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where > O.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId > delete WorkflowWaitSubscriptionBase from WorkflowWaitSubscriptionBase > WS, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where > WS.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationID > delete AsyncOperationBase From AsyncOperationBase A, > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d > where > A.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId > /*If not calling from a SQL job, use the WAITFOR DELAY*/ > if(@DeleteRowCount > @rowsAffected) > return > else > WAITFOR DELAY '00:00:02.000' > end > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47 To: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: > [dba-Tech] SQL Question > > I assume that it looks like: > > WHILE (1=1) > BEGIN > .... > IF..... BREAK; > .... > END > > It's a common way to create an infinite loop since SQL doen't have an > absolute. DO_LOOP construct. But it s inefficent because (1=1) has > to be evaluated on every iteration. > > Again, without knowing what's in the BEGIN... END loop, it's hard to > tell, but from how long it takes, I'd suspect that it is using a > cursor, stepping through a large recordset and deleting records one > at a time. This is often called RBAR programming ( "Row By Agonising > Row") and is notoriously slow with large recordsets. Far better to > try using one or a series of set based deletions i.e DELETE FROM.... > WHERE... > > It may be worth googling SQL RBAR for lots of discussion on the > subject. :-) > > > > On 16 Jul 2018 at 8:02, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > From what I've read, it's for testing -- a placeholder of sorts. I'd > > delete it and try again. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > We are running a script to delete a few million records from a CRM > > SQL Server. This bit is confusing us "While 1 =1" . We can't > > understand how this would ever evaluate to anything other than 1 =1? > > > > IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes WHERE name = > > N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') > > DROP Index > > AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > > GO > > CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > > ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] > > ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO > > > > while(1=1) > > begin > > > > We also ran the full script for 34 hours and it ran successfully but > > turns out left 22million records undeleted all of which meet the > > deletion criteria! > > > > It's a Microsoft script. Confusing. > > > > Martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Jul 16 09:36:07 2018 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 14:36:07 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL Question In-Reply-To: <5B4C9E70.27991.1157CF2B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18986@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <5B4C93AA.2521.112DB9A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18B32@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <5B4C9E70.27991.1157CF2B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B18C57@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Thanks, from the programmers here Stuart. Wil set it up to run again on Friday. Best Wishes Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 16 July 2018 14:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SQL Question Ok, it's not RBAR :) They are deleting sets of 10,000 records at a time (and creating an index frist to make selecting those 10,000 records as quick as possible) They are grabbing the PK of 10,000 records at a time into a temporary table.then deleting all related records in another table doing an INNER JOIN between the temp table and the related table. They repeat this process for six different tables in each loop. The WHILE (1=1) keeps the BEGIN....END block repeating until: if(@DeleteRowCount > @rowsAffected) return That is - if the last "Select top (@DeleteRowCount) AsyncOperationId from AsyncOperationBase" returned less than 10,000 records we have processed the last block of matching records so exit the proecdure Not sure why it needs a 2 second delay on each iteration, but apart from that, it all looks good to me. Looks fairly well optimised assuming that AsyncOperationId is indexed in each of the tables being deleted (that may be worth checking). (Those delays only add about half an hour for 22 million records.) On 16 Jul 2018 at 12:49, Martin Reid wrote: > It's an available MS script Their engineer told us only supported way > to do this. Full Script is > > IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes WHERE name = > N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') > DROP Index > AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > GO > CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] > ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO > > while(1=1) > begin > declare @DeleteRowCount int = 10000 > declare @rowsAffected int > declare @DeletedAsyncRowsTable table (AsyncOperationId > uniqueidentifier not null primary key) insert into > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable(AsyncOperationId) Select top (@DeleteRowCount) > AsyncOperationId from AsyncOperationBase where > OperationType in (1, 9, 12, 25, 27, 10) > AND StateCode = 3 > AND StatusCode in (30, 32) > > select @rowsAffected = @@rowcount > delete poa from PrincipalObjectAccess poa > join WorkflowLogBase wlb on > poa.ObjectId = wlb.WorkflowLogId > join @DeletedAsyncRowsTable dart on > wlb.AsyncOperationId = dart.AsyncOperationId delete > WorkflowLogBase from WorkflowLogBase W, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where > W.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId > delete BulkDeleteFailureBase From BulkDeleteFailureBase B, > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where > B.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId delete > BulkDeleteOperationBase From BulkDeleteOperationBase O, > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where > O.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId delete > WorkflowWaitSubscriptionBase from WorkflowWaitSubscriptionBase WS, > @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where > WS.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationID delete AsyncOperationBase > From AsyncOperationBase A, @DeletedAsyncRowsTable d where > A.AsyncOperationId = d.AsyncOperationId /*If not calling from a SQL > job, use the WAITFOR DELAY*/ if(@DeleteRowCount > @rowsAffected) > return > else > WAITFOR DELAY '00:00:02.000' > end > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47 To: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: > [dba-Tech] SQL Question > > I assume that it looks like: > > WHILE (1=1) > BEGIN > .... > IF..... BREAK; > .... > END > > It's a common way to create an infinite loop since SQL doen't have an > absolute. DO_LOOP construct. But it s inefficent because (1=1) has > to be evaluated on every iteration. > > Again, without knowing what's in the BEGIN... END loop, it's hard to > tell, but from how long it takes, I'd suspect that it is using a > cursor, stepping through a large recordset and deleting records one > at a time. This is often called RBAR programming ( "Row By Agonising > Row") and is notoriously slow with large recordsets. Far better to > try using one or a series of set based deletions i.e DELETE FROM.... > WHERE... > > It may be worth googling SQL RBAR for lots of discussion on the > subject. :-) > > > > On 16 Jul 2018 at 8:02, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > From what I've read, it's for testing -- a placeholder of sorts. I'd > > delete it and try again. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > We are running a script to delete a few million records from a CRM > > SQL Server. This bit is confusing us "While 1 =1" . We can't > > understand how this would ever evaluate to anything other than 1 =1? > > > > IF EXISTS (SELECT name from sys.indexes WHERE name = > > N'CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted') > > DROP Index > > AsyncOperationBase.CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > > GO > > CREATE NONCLUSTERED INDEX CRM_AsyncOperation_CleanupCompleted > > ON [dbo].[AsyncOperationBase] > > ([StatusCode],[StateCode],[OperationType]) GO > > > > while(1=1) > > begin > > > > We also ran the full script for 34 hours and it ran successfully but > > turns out left 22million records undeleted all of which meet the > > deletion criteria! > > > > It's a Microsoft script. Confusing. > > > > Martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 24 08:11:03 2018 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 06:11:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bar Code Printer Message-ID: <00be01d4234f$c6a2bed0$53e83c70$@bchacc.com> Dear Lists: I have a client who has used a product called Bartender from Seagull Scientific. They provide support for Access So I added the barcode printing to the Access app I developed for him. He recently upgraded a comp to Q10 and A2013 and Bartender won't run. And his efforts at getting tech support from Seagull have come to naught. So he now would like to find another vendor. Does anyone have experience with a barcode label printer that can be added to an Access app? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jul 24 13:03:30 2018 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 19:03:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bar Code Printer In-Reply-To: <00be01d4234f$c6a2bed0$53e83c70$@bchacc.com> References: <00be01d4234f$c6a2bed0$53e83c70$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Not specifically with Access, but zebra make some really good bar code printers. I?ve used them at my last two jobs. Jon Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jul 2018, at 14:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > Dear Lists: > > > > I have a client who has used a product called Bartender from Seagull > Scientific. They provide support for Access So I added the barcode printing > to the Access app I developed for him. > > > > He recently upgraded a comp to Q10 and A2013 and Bartender won't run. And > his efforts at getting tech support from Seagull have come to naught. > > > > So he now would like to find another vendor. Does anyone have experience > with a barcode label printer that can be added to an Access app? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 24 16:55:25 2018 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:55:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bar Code Printer In-Reply-To: References: <00be01d4234f$c6a2bed0$53e83c70$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <010001d42399$070c1db0$15245910$@bchacc.com> Do you know if they have MS Access support? Tks r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bar Code Printer Not specifically with Access, but zebra make some really good bar code printers. I?ve used them at my last two jobs. Jon Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jul 2018, at 14:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > Dear Lists: > > > > I have a client who has used a product called Bartender from Seagull > Scientific. They provide support for Access So I added the barcode printing > to the Access app I developed for him. > > > > He recently upgraded a comp to Q10 and A2013 and Bartender won't run. And > his efforts at getting tech support from Seagull have come to naught. > > > > So he now would like to find another vendor. Does anyone have experience > with a barcode label printer that can be added to an Access app? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jul 24 17:25:40 2018 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:25:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bar Code Printer In-Reply-To: <010001d42399$070c1db0$15245910$@bchacc.com> References: <00be01d4234f$c6a2bed0$53e83c70$@bchacc.com> <010001d42399$070c1db0$15245910$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <673DF1DE-DA22-4F2D-B71F-196683B65FF6@tydda.plus.com> It?s just a printer, there?s nothing special about them. The bar code is just a font. Jon Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jul 2018, at 22:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > Do you know if they have MS Access support? > > Tks > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bar Code Printer > > Not specifically with Access, but zebra make some really good bar code printers. I?ve used them at my last two jobs. > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 24 Jul 2018, at 14:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> >> >> I have a client who has used a product called Bartender from Seagull >> Scientific. They provide support for Access So I added the barcode printing >> to the Access app I developed for him. >> >> >> >> He recently upgraded a comp to Q10 and A2013 and Bartender won't run. And >> his efforts at getting tech support from Seagull have come to naught. >> >> >> >> So he now would like to find another vendor. Does anyone have experience >> with a barcode label printer that can be added to an Access app? >> >> >> >> MTIA >> >> >> >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 760-683-5777 >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> Skype: rocky.smolin >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jul 26 09:57:26 2018 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:57:26 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> We have a view created for us in SQL Server. Field of interest is DateOfBirth In the query interface it si showing as 21/1/2001 However, for some records when we are getting the data from the view there is a time stamp 21/1/2011 00:00:00 The person creating the view is using CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) The majority of records are fine its just the odd one or two that return the time portion with the date of borth? Martin From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Jul 26 10:07:03 2018 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:07:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: hhmm thats a weird one been using sql for many years and converting dates in a similar manor and never had a problem, I am assuming that the years in the date were a typo (2001 and 2011)....where is the CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) is this in the view that is sometimes returning the time portion as well ? have you tried comparing the results your getting with ta.BIRTHDATE i.e. select CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) as Converted_DOB, ta.BIRTHDATE as DOB and see what you get in the DOB when a time portion shows in the Converted_DOB ? Paul On 26 July 2018 at 15:57, Martin Reid wrote: > We have a view created for us in SQL Server. Field of interest is > DateOfBirth > > In the query interface it si showing as 21/1/2001 > > However, for some records when we are getting the data from the view there > is a time stamp 21/1/2011 00:00:00 > > The person creating the view is using > > CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) > > The majority of records are fine its just the odd one or two that return > the time portion with the date of borth? > > Martin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jul 26 10:13:33 2018 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:13:33 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question In-Reply-To: References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B205CA@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> The convert is used elsewhere to actually create the view data. The query results windows in SQL server simply shows the date no time. For four records we are seeing the time portion when we run our code to get the data from the view. It's a real pain as this is code to do record matching on fields including DOB! Its weird!! Eg DOB Match: got a match on email= email address and empl -xxxxxxxxxxxx and dob - 03/03/1990 got a match on email= email address and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx and dob - 10/01/1997 DOB NON-Match: got a match on email= email address and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx but NOT on dob which is 09/05/1994 00:00:00 got a match on email= email address and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx but NOT on dob which is 14/04/1997 00:00:00 Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Paul Hartland via dba-Tech Sent: 26 July 2018 16:07 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Paul Hartland Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question hhmm thats a weird one been using sql for many years and converting dates in a similar manor and never had a problem, I am assuming that the years in the date were a typo (2001 and 2011)....where is the CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) is this in the view that is sometimes returning the time portion as well ? have you tried comparing the results your getting with ta.BIRTHDATE i.e. select CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) as Converted_DOB, ta.BIRTHDATE as DOB and see what you get in the DOB when a time portion shows in the Converted_DOB ? Paul On 26 July 2018 at 15:57, Martin Reid wrote: > We have a view created for us in SQL Server. Field of interest is > DateOfBirth > > In the query interface it si showing as 21/1/2001 > > However, for some records when we are getting the data from the view > there is a time stamp 21/1/2011 00:00:00 > > The person creating the view is using > > CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) > > The majority of records are fine its just the odd one or two that > return the time portion with the date of borth? > > Martin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 26 10:54:24 2018 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:54:24 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Paul A date value carries no format, so just apply the format the users need where it is displayed. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Martin Reid Sendt: 26. juli 2018 16:57:26 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com) Emne: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question We have a view created for us in SQL Server. Field of interest is DateOfBirth In the query interface it si showing as 21/1/2001 However, for some records when we are getting the data from the view there is a time stamp 21/1/2011 00:00:00 The person creating the view is using CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) The majority of records are fine its just the odd one or two that return the time portion with the date of borth? Martin From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Jul 26 13:45:58 2018 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:45:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bar Code Printer In-Reply-To: References: <00be01d4234f$c6a2bed0$53e83c70$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <65071799-3554-9145-5500-9d672d2d3444@Gmail.com> I automated Zebra for use with Access.? In order to get label printing speeds up I had to develop a direct to RS232 "driver", iow dump the data to an RS232 port.? Of course that was for Mark Breen in Ireland back in 1997 so things have no doubt changed a bit since. On 7/24/2018 2:03 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Not specifically with Access, but zebra make some really good bar code printers. I?ve used them at my last two jobs. > > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 24 Jul 2018, at 14:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> Dear Lists: >> >> >> >> I have a client who has used a product called Bartender from Seagull >> Scientific. They provide support for Access So I added the barcode printing >> to the Access app I developed for him. >> >> >> >> He recently upgraded a comp to Q10 and A2013 and Bartender won't run. And >> his efforts at getting tech support from Seagull have come to naught. >> >> >> >> So he now would like to find another vendor. Does anyone have experience >> with a barcode label printer that can be added to an Access app? >> >> >> >> MTIA >> >> >> >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> >> Beach Access Software >> >> 760-683-5777 >> >> www.bchacc.com >> >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> >> Skype: rocky.smolin >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- John W. Colby From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 26 16:01:30 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:01:30 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20549@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5B5A36AA.12178.190BEB3B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The query is returning a 10 character string, not a data, (DD/MM/YYYY) so the conversion to a datetime (timestamp0 must be happening in yoursubsequent interpretation of the string. How exactly are you using the DOB? On 26 Jul 2018 at 14:57, Martin Reid wrote: > We have a view created for us in SQL Server. Field of interest is > DateOfBirth > > In the query interface it si showing as 21/1/2001 > > However, for some records when we are getting the data from the view > there is a time stamp 21/1/2011 00:00:00 > > The person creating the view is using > > CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) > > The majority of records are fine its just the odd one or two that > return the time portion with the date of borth? > > Martin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 26 16:05:19 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:05:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B205CA@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, , <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B205CA@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5B5A378F.21503.190F6960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'd BET that It's in your code (not shown) :) Is this matching done in TSQL on the SQL server or in a front end of some sort? On 26 Jul 2018 at 15:13, Martin Reid wrote: > The convert is used elsewhere to actually create the view data. The > query results windows in SQL server simply shows the date no time. For > four records we are seeing the time portion when we run our code to > get the data from the view. It's a real pain as this is code to do > record matching on fields including DOB! > > Its weird!! > > Eg > > DOB Match: > got a match on email= email address and empl -xxxxxxxxxxxx and dob - > 03/03/1990 got a match on email= email address and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx > and dob - 10/01/1997 > > DOB NON-Match: > got a match on email= email address and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx but NOT on > dob which is 09/05/1994 00:00:00 got a match on email= email address > and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx but NOT on dob which is 14/04/1997 00:00:00 > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of > Paul Hartland via dba-Tech Sent: 26 July 2018 16:07 To: Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues Cc: Paul > Hartland Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Quick > SQL Question > > hhmm thats a weird one been using sql for many years and converting > dates in a similar manor and never had a problem, I am assuming that > the years in the date were a typo (2001 and 2011)....where is the > CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) is this in the view that is > sometimes returning the time portion as well ? > > have you tried comparing the results your getting with ta.BIRTHDATE > i.e. select CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) as Converted_DOB, > ta.BIRTHDATE as DOB and see what you get in the DOB when a time > portion shows in the Converted_DOB ? > > Paul > > On 26 July 2018 at 15:57, Martin Reid wrote: > > > We have a view created for us in SQL Server. Field of interest is > > DateOfBirth > > > > In the query interface it si showing as 21/1/2001 > > > > However, for some records when we are getting the data from the view > > there is a time stamp 21/1/2011 00:00:00 > > > > The person creating the view is using > > > > CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) > > > > The majority of records are fine its just the odd one or two that > > return the time portion with the date of borth? > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Jul 27 02:01:40 2018 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:01:40 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question In-Reply-To: <5B5A378F.21503.190F6960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, , <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B205CA@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <5B5A378F.21503.190F6960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20AD9@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Stewart Have emailed my programmer so will sent you the code of line later this morning. Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 26 July 2018 22:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Quick SQL Question I'd BET that It's in your code (not shown) :) Is this matching done in TSQL on the SQL server or in a front end of some sort? On 26 Jul 2018 at 15:13, Martin Reid wrote: > The convert is used elsewhere to actually create the view data. The > query results windows in SQL server simply shows the date no time. For > four records we are seeing the time portion when we run our code to > get the data from the view. It's a real pain as this is code to do > record matching on fields including DOB! > > Its weird!! > > Eg > > DOB Match: > got a match on email= email address and empl -xxxxxxxxxxxx and dob - > 03/03/1990 got a match on email= email address and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx > and dob - 10/01/1997 > > DOB NON-Match: > got a match on email= email address and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx but NOT on > dob which is 09/05/1994 00:00:00 got a match on email= email address > and empl - xxxxxxxxxxxx but NOT on dob which is 14/04/1997 00:00:00 > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of > Paul Hartland via dba-Tech Sent: 26 July 2018 16:07 To: Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues Cc: Paul > Hartland Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Quick > SQL Question > > hhmm thats a weird one been using sql for many years and converting > dates in a similar manor and never had a problem, I am assuming that > the years in the date were a typo (2001 and 2011)....where is the > CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) is this in the view that is > sometimes returning the time portion as well ? > > have you tried comparing the results your getting with ta.BIRTHDATE > i.e. select CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) as Converted_DOB, > ta.BIRTHDATE as DOB and see what you get in the DOB when a time > portion shows in the Converted_DOB ? > > Paul > > On 26 July 2018 at 15:57, Martin Reid wrote: > > > We have a view created for us in SQL Server. Field of interest is > > DateOfBirth > > > > In the query interface it si showing as 21/1/2001 > > > > However, for some records when we are getting the data from the view > > there is a time stamp 21/1/2011 00:00:00 > > > > The person creating the view is using > > > > CONVERT(varchar(10),ta.BIRTHDATE,103) > > > > The majority of records are fine its just the odd one or two that > > return the time portion with the date of borth? > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 31 18:27:36 2018 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Single point of failure In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20AD9@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B205CA@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <5B5A378F.21503.190F6960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20AD9@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2041423923.210451418.1533079656011.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-25/the-world-economy-runs-on-gps-it-needs-a-backup-plan https://bloom.bg/2M94vFw Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 31 19:38:34 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 10:38:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Single point of failure In-Reply-To: <2041423923.210451418.1533079656011.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20AD9@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>, <2041423923.210451418.1533079656011.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <5B61010A.15032.52607C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Very US-centric. Just about every GPS chip made today is compatible with GLONASS, BEIDOU, GALILEO, IRNSS/NAVIC. The reason for al of these separate systems is precisely so that there is no longer a "single point of failure". On 31 Jul 2018 at 17:27, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan? > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-25/the-world-economy-r > uns-on-gps-it-needs-a-backup-plan https://bloom.bg/2M94vFw > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 31 23:46:07 2018 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Single point of failure In-Reply-To: <5B61010A.15032.52607C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B20AD9@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> <2041423923.210451418.1533079656011.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <5B61010A.15032.52607C7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1206829732.211677791.1533098767070.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> True, but only GLONASS claims to also have world coverage...but hopefully that will change in a few years. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "stuart" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 5:38:34 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Single point of failure Very US-centric. Just about every GPS chip made today is compatible with GLONASS, BEIDOU, GALILEO, IRNSS/NAVIC. The reason for al of these separate systems is precisely so that there is no longer a "single point of failure". On 31 Jul 2018 at 17:27, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan? > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-25/the-world-economy-r > uns-on-gps-it-needs-a-backup-plan https://bloom.bg/2M94vFw > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com