From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 07:22:39 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:22:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Drive
In-Reply-To: <003b01d3f931$38a29850$a9e7c8f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <003b01d3f931$38a29850$a9e7c8f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <f5c69a46-6641-3d32-a170-735ccfdfc87a@Gmail.com>

>>I am trying to delete everything from my Google Drive and resync.  It's a PITA.  Can't just delete all files.  Gotta do them a group at a time.

Sounds like ... Google.  Collect everything, trash nothing.  Make it so difficult to trash you will give up.


On 5/31/2018 6:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> I am trying to delete everything from my Google Drive and resync.  It's a
> PITA.  Can't just delete all files.  Gotta do them a group at a time.
>
>   
>
> In fact you can't even delete all the trash at once.
>
>   
>
> I'm thinking of deleting my account and opening a new one.  I don't use my
> Gmail.  Drive is the only thing I use.
>
>   
>
> I think I'm identified by my email (@bchacc.com).  Does anyone know if I
> delete my account will they let me create a new one using the same 'name'?
>
>   
>
> TIA
>
>   
>
> Rocky
>
>   
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  1 15:14:21 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 14:14:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Drive
In-Reply-To: <f5c69a46-6641-3d32-a170-735ccfdfc87a@Gmail.com>
References: <003b01d3f931$38a29850$a9e7c8f0$@bchacc.com>
	<f5c69a46-6641-3d32-a170-735ccfdfc87a@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1018369850.119347374.1527884061735.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

My wife accidentally turned on Google Drive and it immediately uploaded every vid and picture on her system and almost immediately, ran out of room. Dahhh...(an estimated 50,000 pictures...;-)) We have been trying to turn the thing off, stop the continuous prompts to buy more room and clear out the account. 

It is a slow arduous process and Google is busily backing up our deletes.

Well, all I can say is live and learn.

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:22:39 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Drive

>>I am trying to delete everything from my Google Drive and resync.  It's a PITA.  Can't just delete all files.  Gotta do them a group at a time.

Sounds like ... Google.  Collect everything, trash nothing.  Make it so difficult to trash you will give up.


On 5/31/2018 6:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> I am trying to delete everything from my Google Drive and resync.  It's a
> PITA.  Can't just delete all files.  Gotta do them a group at a time.
>
>   
>
> In fact you can't even delete all the trash at once.
>
>   
>
> I'm thinking of deleting my account and opening a new one.  I don't use my
> Gmail.  Drive is the only thing I use.
>
>   
>
> I think I'm identified by my email (@bchacc.com).  Does anyone know if I
> delete my account will they let me create a new one using the same 'name'?
>
>   
>
> TIA
>
>   
>
> Rocky
>
>   
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
John W. Colby

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  3 21:32:13 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 21:32:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
Message-ID: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>

Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from 
other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives 
(500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.

Web download speeds haven't changed.

Anybody seen something like this? What should I be checking out?

PB

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 19:48:52 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 20:48:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Drive
In-Reply-To: <1018369850.119347374.1527884061735.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <003b01d3f931$38a29850$a9e7c8f0$@bchacc.com>
	<f5c69a46-6641-3d32-a170-735ccfdfc87a@Gmail.com>
	<1018369850.119347374.1527884061735.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <2f868070-dae5-96bf-75b3-4ce7935e67fd@Gmail.com>

 >>My wife accidentally turned on Google Drive and it immediately 
uploaded every vid and picture on her system

Should be illegal

On 6/1/2018 4:14 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> My wife accidentally turned on Google Drive and it immediately uploaded every vid and picture on her system and almost immediately, ran out of room. Dahhh...(an estimated 50,000 pictures...;-)) We have been trying to turn the thing off, stop the continuous prompts to buy more room and clear out the account.
>
> It is a slow arduous process and Google is busily backing up our deletes.
>
> Well, all I can say is live and learn.
>
> Jim
>   
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:22:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Drive
>
>>> I am trying to delete everything from my Google Drive and resync.  It's a PITA.  Can't just delete all files.  Gotta do them a group at a time.
> Sounds like ... Google.  Collect everything, trash nothing.  Make it so difficult to trash you will give up.
>
>
> On 5/31/2018 6:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> I am trying to delete everything from my Google Drive and resync.  It's a
>> PITA.  Can't just delete all files.  Gotta do them a group at a time.
>>
>>    
>>
>> In fact you can't even delete all the trash at once.
>>
>>    
>>
>> I'm thinking of deleting my account and opening a new one.  I don't use my
>> Gmail.  Drive is the only thing I use.
>>
>>    
>>
>> I think I'm identified by my email (@bchacc.com).  Does anyone know if I
>> delete my account will they let me create a new one using the same 'name'?
>>
>>    
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>    
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>    
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun  4 02:22:47 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 01:22:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
In-Reply-To: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
References: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <912383209.134697866.1528096967148.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

One time, I had a switch fail but that would be incredible unusual. I have had trouble, a while back, when trying to connect old Windows OSs that still use SMB version 1-3 as it has been disabled in Windows 10 and the newer servers. 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2696547/how-to-detect-enable-and-disable-smbv1-smbv2-and-smbv3-in-windows-and
http://bit.ly/2Jlho15

I have no idea whether that is your issue but it sounds like it could be.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:32:13 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness

Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from 
other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives 
(500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.

Web download speeds haven't changed.

Anybody seen something like this? What should I be checking out?

PB
_______________________________________________
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 07:49:23 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 08:49:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
In-Reply-To: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
References: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE-skcmH2Jxss2YJcR0WDbbQgSAbZFq48mQRON1fyCx9gA@mail.gmail.com>

Filled up?

On Sun, Jun 3, 2018, 10:32 PM Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from
> other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives
> (500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.
>
> Web download speeds haven't changed.
>
> Anybody seen something like this? What should I be checking out?
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  5 00:09:32 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:09:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<327173452.417857962.1521844091378.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<544383850.417911438.1521845317808.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<670617901.480227926.1523560408333.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1792540560.511452959.1524507699349.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <261315260.141262488.1528175372009.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

It is official, Microsoft now owns Github:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/technology/microsoft-github-cloud-computing.html
https://nyti.ms/2kPL1cU

In the meantime, Gitlab has had their servers maxed out at over 50 to 100 thousand project migrations an hour, since the announcement. I guess this is what "panic" looks like. It is not that Microsoft cannot be trusted, it is just that developers don't trust them. Even friends at Microsoft have been moving... ;-)

I personally am not concerned but the last such similar developer site MS had, collapsed due to lack of interest. Maybe the new Github will be a profit making site and that will guarantee yet another postmortem. Of course, Microsoft could take a hands-off approach but only time will tell.

Any comments from the developers, here?

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  5 01:28:49 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 00:28:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to Get Started With Your First Raspberry Pi
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<327173452.417857962.1521844091378.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<544383850.417911438.1521845317808.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<670617901.480227926.1523560408333.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1792540560.511452959.1524507699349.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <490133375.141587773.1528180129104.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

As the Raspberry Pi is so cheap and simple, I thought I would throw in this easy tutorial; how to setup a Raspberry PI:

https://maker.pro/raspberry-pi/tutorial/how-to-get-started-with-your-first-raspberry-pi
http://bit.ly/2sv7TTo

Jim

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  5 11:01:28 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 11:01:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
In-Reply-To: <261315260.141262488.1528175372009.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<327173452.417857962.1521844091378.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<544383850.417911438.1521845317808.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<670617901.480227926.1523560408333.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1792540560.511452959.1524507699349.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<261315260.141262488.1528175372009.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <2f52aefc-d095-b0e5-faa3-f2589d8331f4@earthlink.net>

On 6/5/2018 0:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> It is official, Microsoft now owns Github:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/technology/microsoft-github-cloud-computing.html
> https://nyti.ms/2kPL1cU
>
> In the meantime, Gitlab has had their servers maxed out at over 50 to 100 thousand project migrations an hour, since the announcement. I guess this is what "panic" looks like. It is not that Microsoft cannot be trusted,

You're kidding, right?

> it is just that developers don't trust them. Even friends at Microsoft have been moving... ;-)
>
> I personally am not concerned but the last such similar developer site MS had, collapsed due to lack of interest. Maybe the new Github will be a profit making site and that will guarantee yet another postmortem. Of course, Microsoft could take a hands-off approach but only time will tell.
>
> Any comments from the developers, here?

Best hope might be that someone will do for GitHub what MariaDB did for 
MySQL---make a credible, trustable fork.

PB

>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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>


From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Jun  5 11:20:07 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:20:07 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
In-Reply-To: <2f52aefc-d095-b0e5-faa3-f2589d8331f4@earthlink.net>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<327173452.417857962.1521844091378.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<544383850.417911438.1521845317808.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<670617901.480227926.1523560408333.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1792540560.511452959.1524507699349.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<261315260.141262488.1528175372009.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2f52aefc-d095-b0e5-faa3-f2589d8331f4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CY4PR19MB010324BB9337F5C40339815DF6660@CY4PR19MB0103.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Where are these project migrations going?

PS - I don't use GitHub so I'm just not very familiar with this whole subject.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: June 5, 2018 11:01
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

On 6/5/2018 0:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> It is official, Microsoft now owns Github:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/technology/microsoft-github-cloud-computing.html
> https://nyti.ms/2kPL1cU
>
> In the meantime, Gitlab has had their servers maxed out at over 50 to 100 thousand project migrations an hour, since the announcement. I guess this is what "panic" looks like. It is not that Microsoft cannot be trusted,

You're kidding, right?

> it is just that developers don't trust them. Even friends at Microsoft have been moving... ;-)
>
> I personally am not concerned but the last such similar developer site MS had, collapsed due to lack of interest. Maybe the new Github will be a profit making site and that will guarantee yet another postmortem. Of course, Microsoft could take a hands-off approach but only time will tell.
>
> Any comments from the developers, here?

Best hope might be that someone will do for GitHub what MariaDB did for 
MySQL---make a credible, trustable fork.

PB

>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  5 11:21:55 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 11:21:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
In-Reply-To: <912383209.134697866.1528096967148.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
	<912383209.134697866.1528096967148.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <66b5741c-6be0-2db7-71c2-a5ca8833273a@earthlink.net>

On 6/4/2018 2:22, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> One time, I had a switch fail but that would be incredible unusual.

Right, other 'puters are using that switch and they're still OK. 
Changing the R5 cable made no diff.
> I have had trouble, a while back, when trying to connect old Windows OSs that still use SMB version 1-3 as it has been disabled in Windows 10 and the newer servers.
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2696547/how-to-detect-enable-and-disable-smbv1-smbv2-and-smbv3-in-windows-and
> http://bit.ly/2Jlho15
>
> I have no idea whether that is your issue but it sounds like it could be.

Thanks. According to that MSoft article, Win 7 SMB is v1 only, so it 
seems there's nothing to do on that front.

I fooled around with "advanced" NIC properties and got back to 30% of 
its previous performance. I'm going to try replacing the NIC.

PB
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:32:13 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
>
> Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from
> other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives
> (500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.
>
> Web download speeds haven't changed.
>
> Anybody seen something like this? What should I be checking out?
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  5 13:37:43 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:37:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
In-Reply-To: <2f52aefc-d095-b0e5-faa3-f2589d8331f4@earthlink.net>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<670617901.480227926.1523560408333.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1792540560.511452959.1524507699349.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<261315260.141262488.1528175372009.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2f52aefc-d095-b0e5-faa3-f2589d8331f4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <74907967.145038297.1528223863256.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

It has already been done...it's called Gitlab...that is where so many projects are migrating to:

https://about.gitlab.com/

Aside: My SiL moved his and his entire company's Github projects to Gitlab last night...was up until three in the morning...according to his message timestamp.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/05/gitlabs-high-end-plans-are-now-free-for-open-source-projects-and-schools/
https://tcrn.ch/2Jxul7Z

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:01:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

On 6/5/2018 0:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> It is official, Microsoft now owns Github:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/technology/microsoft-github-cloud-computing.html
> https://nyti.ms/2kPL1cU
>
> In the meantime, Gitlab has had their servers maxed out at over 50 to 100 thousand project migrations an hour, since the announcement. I guess this is what "panic" looks like. It is not that Microsoft cannot be trusted,

You're kidding, right?

> it is just that developers don't trust them. Even friends at Microsoft have been moving... ;-)
>
> I personally am not concerned but the last such similar developer site MS had, collapsed due to lack of interest. Maybe the new Github will be a profit making site and that will guarantee yet another postmortem. Of course, Microsoft could take a hands-off approach but only time will tell.
>
> Any comments from the developers, here?

Best hope might be that someone will do for GitHub what MariaDB did for 
MySQL---make a credible, trustable fork.

PB

>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  5 13:55:40 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:55:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
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Hi Dan:

If you are heavily into the open source and high-end developers trade, this is where they go. The developers, use the site as part of their resumes (it is essential if moving up the ladder), share new concepts (proof of concept) and get other developers interested in projects (a lot of collaborative projects are assembled there long before we, as the general population see them...there is hardly a new app or application created, in the last ten years that did not first start there).

For any programming company, Github is gold. This is where company's get their unicorn's (super developers) and research solutions to tough development problems. There is always an answer and the personal to build it, somewhere in the world.

Microsoft would not be where it is today, would not be embracing Linux and would not have the top line staff it has if not for Github.

Today, virtually every new concept or development advancements, in the computing industry, has it beginning in Github.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:20:07 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Where are these project migrations going?

PS - I don't use GitHub so I'm just not very familiar with this whole subject.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: June 5, 2018 11:01
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

On 6/5/2018 0:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> It is official, Microsoft now owns Github:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/technology/microsoft-github-cloud-computing.html
> https://nyti.ms/2kPL1cU
>
> In the meantime, Gitlab has had their servers maxed out at over 50 to 100 thousand project migrations an hour, since the announcement. I guess this is what "panic" looks like. It is not that Microsoft cannot be trusted,

You're kidding, right?

> it is just that developers don't trust them. Even friends at Microsoft have been moving... ;-)
>
> I personally am not concerned but the last such similar developer site MS had, collapsed due to lack of interest. Maybe the new Github will be a profit making site and that will guarantee yet another postmortem. Of course, Microsoft could take a hands-off approach but only time will tell.
>
> Any comments from the developers, here?

Best hope might be that someone will do for GitHub what MariaDB did for 
MySQL---make a credible, trustable fork.

PB

>
> Jim
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Jun  5 14:02:39 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 19:02:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
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Hi Jim - nice explanation! :-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: June 5, 2018 13:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Hi Dan:

If you are heavily into the open source and high-end developers trade, this is where they go. The developers, use the site as part of their resumes (it is essential if moving up the ladder), share new concepts (proof of concept) and get other developers interested in projects (a lot of collaborative projects are assembled there long before we, as the general population see them...there is hardly a new app or application created, in the last ten years that did not first start there).

For any programming company, Github is gold. This is where company's get their unicorn's (super developers) and research solutions to tough development problems. There is always an answer and the personal to build it, somewhere in the world.

Microsoft would not be where it is today, would not be embracing Linux and would not have the top line staff it has if not for Github.

Today, virtually every new concept or development advancements, in the computing industry, has it beginning in Github.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:20:07 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Where are these project migrations going?

PS - I don't use GitHub so I'm just not very familiar with this whole subject.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: June 5, 2018 11:01
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

On 6/5/2018 0:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> It is official, Microsoft now owns Github:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/technology/microsoft-github-cloud-computing.html
> https://nyti.ms/2kPL1cU
>
> In the meantime, Gitlab has had their servers maxed out at over 50 to 100 thousand project migrations an hour, since the announcement. I guess this is what "panic" looks like. It is not that Microsoft cannot be trusted,

You're kidding, right?

> it is just that developers don't trust them. Even friends at Microsoft have been moving... ;-)
>
> I personally am not concerned but the last such similar developer site MS had, collapsed due to lack of interest. Maybe the new Github will be a profit making site and that will guarantee yet another postmortem. Of course, Microsoft could take a hands-off approach but only time will tell.
>
> Any comments from the developers, here?

Best hope might be that someone will do for GitHub what MariaDB did for 
MySQL---make a credible, trustable fork.

PB

>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  5 14:36:39 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:36:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slowness
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Hi Peter:

Can I assume you have done all the standard tests to isolate the problem? Such as...

Is it only the two computers that are connecting that appear to have the problem? Are there other computers also demonstrating similar issues? If another new computer is added to the mix does the problem persist? Have you taken the offending computers out of the network and test each directly against the router? Have you ran internet speed test on each separately? Have you checked and/or upgraded the current NIC card drivers? Have you been monitoring performance via  the task-manager? Have you compared performance to other computers that have been running normally...item by item? Have you replaced the cables that connect the two computers with new Cat5 cables? Are both computers 64bit or are they mixed? Do error message ever appear? Is either computer slow booting? What type of hard-drives...SSD or spinning drives?

You can of course throw in a couple of extra same type LAN cards and connect through the same Switch or router...using different ports than previously.

My quess would be that the problem is related to only one computer and once the offender is isolated then you should be able to further reduce the issue to either hardware or software.

HTH

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:21:55 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness

On 6/4/2018 2:22, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> One time, I had a switch fail but that would be incredible unusual.

Right, other 'puters are using that switch and they're still OK. 
Changing the R5 cable made no diff.
> I have had trouble, a while back, when trying to connect old Windows OSs that still use SMB version 1-3 as it has been disabled in Windows 10 and the newer servers.
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2696547/how-to-detect-enable-and-disable-smbv1-smbv2-and-smbv3-in-windows-and
> http://bit.ly/2Jlho15
>
> I have no idea whether that is your issue but it sounds like it could be.

Thanks. According to that MSoft article, Win 7 SMB is v1 only, so it 
seems there's nothing to do on that front.

I fooled around with "advanced" NIC properties and got back to 30% of 
its previous performance. I'm going to try replacing the NIC.

PB
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:32:13 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
>
> Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from
> other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives
> (500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.
>
> Web download speeds haven't changed.
>
> Anybody seen something like this? What should I be checking out?
>
> PB
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  5 15:13:38 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:13:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slowness
In-Reply-To: <1865449000.145353312.1528227399203.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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On 6/5/2018 14:36, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Can I assume you have done all the standard tests to isolate the problem? Such as...
>
> Is it only the two computers that are connecting that appear to have the problem?

All file copying from other machines to both drives on one 'puter 
suddenly got ten times slower.

> Are there other computers also demonstrating similar issues?

No.

>   If another new computer is added to the mix does the problem persist? Have you taken the offending computers out of the network and test each directly against the router?

No, good idea thx.

> Have you ran internet speed test on each separately?

I'm testing file copy. The 'puter is a media server.

> Have you checked and/or upgraded the current NIC card drivers?

Using the latest.

> Have you been monitoring performance via  the task-manager? Have you compared performance to other computers that have been running normally...item by item?

Focussing on file copy. Haven't fooled with internet speed tests on this 
box.

> Have you replaced the cables that connect the two computers with new Cat5 cables?

Replaced the cable to the problem box, no effect.

> Are both computers 64bit or are they mixed?

64 bit.

> Do error message ever appear?

Heh it's a M$oft network, they always appear with lan access eg "The 
device name is in use, connection could not be restored" ... click on 
the factitious error msg, it goes away and the connection restores. Been 
going on for years. Delete and recreate the connection and the msg goes 
away till a laptop lid is closed and reopened. M$oft nonsense.


> Is either computer slow booting?

No. Funny question, the laptop I used to access the slowed-down server 
has had an SSD for 18 months, boot is insanely fast.

> What type of hard-drives...SSD or spinning drives?

Servers have spinners. HD diagnostics report they're fine.

> You can of course throw in a couple of extra same type LAN cards and connect through the same Switch or router...using different ports than previously.

Ordered an Intel NIC, we'll see.
>
> My quess would be that the problem is related to only one computer and once the offender is isolated then you should be able to further reduce the issue to either hardware or software.

If it's not the NIC, I'll be back with more questions :-)

PB

-----
>
> HTH
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:21:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
>
> On 6/4/2018 2:22, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi Peter:
>>
>> One time, I had a switch fail but that would be incredible unusual.
> Right, other 'puters are using that switch and they're still OK.
> Changing the R5 cable made no diff.
>> I have had trouble, a while back, when trying to connect old Windows OSs that still use SMB version 1-3 as it has been disabled in Windows 10 and the newer servers.
>>
>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2696547/how-to-detect-enable-and-disable-smbv1-smbv2-and-smbv3-in-windows-and
>> http://bit.ly/2Jlho15
>>
>> I have no idea whether that is your issue but it sounds like it could be.
> Thanks. According to that MSoft article, Win 7 SMB is v1 only, so it
> seems there's nothing to do on that front.
>
> I fooled around with "advanced" NIC properties and got back to 30% of
> its previous performance. I'm going to try replacing the NIC.
>
> PB
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:32:13 PM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
>>
>> Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from
>> other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives
>> (500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.
>>
>> Web download speeds haven't changed.
>>
>> Anybody seen something like this? What should I be checking out?
>>
>> PB
>> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  5 17:02:37 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:02:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
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Thank you

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 12:02:39 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Hi Jim - nice explanation! :-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: June 5, 2018 13:56
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Hi Dan:

If you are heavily into the open source and high-end developers trade, this is where they go. The developers, use the site as part of their resumes (it is essential if moving up the ladder), share new concepts (proof of concept) and get other developers interested in projects (a lot of collaborative projects are assembled there long before we, as the general population see them...there is hardly a new app or application created, in the last ten years that did not first start there).

For any programming company, Github is gold. This is where company's get their unicorn's (super developers) and research solutions to tough development problems. There is always an answer and the personal to build it, somewhere in the world.

Microsoft would not be where it is today, would not be embracing Linux and would not have the top line staff it has if not for Github.

Today, virtually every new concept or development advancements, in the computing industry, has it beginning in Github.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:20:07 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Where are these project migrations going?

PS - I don't use GitHub so I'm just not very familiar with this whole subject.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: June 5, 2018 11:01
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

On 6/5/2018 0:09, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> It is official, Microsoft now owns Github:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/technology/microsoft-github-cloud-computing.html
> https://nyti.ms/2kPL1cU
>
> In the meantime, Gitlab has had their servers maxed out at over 50 to 100 thousand project migrations an hour, since the announcement. I guess this is what "panic" looks like. It is not that Microsoft cannot be trusted,

You're kidding, right?

> it is just that developers don't trust them. Even friends at Microsoft have been moving... ;-)
>
> I personally am not concerned but the last such similar developer site MS had, collapsed due to lack of interest. Maybe the new Github will be a profit making site and that will guarantee yet another postmortem. Of course, Microsoft could take a hands-off approach but only time will tell.
>
> Any comments from the developers, here?

Best hope might be that someone will do for GitHub what MariaDB did for 
MySQL---make a credible, trustable fork.

PB

>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun  6 01:11:50 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:11:50 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
Message-ID: <AM5PR10MB18272DFC6D1E2C6F3A22F710CA650@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

Seems like your SiL lost his common sense for a day ... or in general.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 5. juni 2018 20:38
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

It has already been done...it's called Gitlab...that is where so many projects are migrating to:

https://about.gitlab.com/

Aside: My SiL moved his and his entire company's Github projects to Gitlab last night...was up until three in the morning...according to his message timestamp.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/05/gitlabs-high-end-plans-are-now-free-for-open-source-projects-and-schools/
https://tcrn.ch/2Jxul7Z

Jim 


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  5 20:13:18 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
Message-ID: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>

Trying to resolve a lan slowdown has made me aware how old our (NetGear) 
router is. It's way past time I upgraded it.

It's a big 90-year-old sprawling 2-storey house with electronically 
resistant stone walls. The router sits upstairs at the northeast corner 
near 2 (sometimes 3 or 4) ethernet-connected 'puters (one of which is 
getting a new NIC, per that thread). Ethernet cable & switches connect 
to 3 more 'puters and a half-dozen other devices downstairs. A few 
smartphones & tablets connect via wifi, upstairs & downstairs (where 
there are two wifi extenders).

This is in a wee southern town, internet is slow and can't be reliably 
sped up but the lan has to be reasonably fast.

So routers like the NetGear 6700 or the TP-Link AC1750 look like fits, 
and sure enough there are lots of favourable reviews for them, but there 
are also enogh horror stories to give me pause.

So I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.

PB


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jun  6 10:51:16 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:51:16 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
In-Reply-To: <AM5PR10MB18272DFC6D1E2C6F3A22F710CA650@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5PR10MB18272DFC6D1E2C6F3A22F710CA650@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <BN7PR11MB2692856251ED91A0E368D0FCD8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Paranoia
http://www.eweek.com/development/microsoft-s-github-acquisition-provides-a-stable-home-for-developers?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EWK_NL_NV_20180606_STR1L1&dni=448137649&rni=32889555

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Gustav Brock<mailto:gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: ?6/?6/?2018 1:12 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Hi Jim

Seems like your SiL lost his common sense for a day ... or in general.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 5. juni 2018 20:38
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

It has already been done...it's called Gitlab...that is where so many projects are migrating to:

https://about.gitlab.com/

Aside: My SiL moved his and his entire company's Github projects to Gitlab last night...was up until three in the morning...according to his message timestamp.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/05/gitlabs-high-end-plans-are-now-free-for-open-source-projects-and-schools/
https://tcrn.ch/2Jxul7Z

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  6 12:08:37 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:08:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new file system
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Hi All:

There are dozens of file systems in both the Windows and Linux world. Each one is either kept for a while, rejected finally or holds some particular purpose.

Microsoft Windows OS uses two major file systems: FAT, inherited from old DOS with its later extension FAT32, and widely-used NTFS file systems. Recently released is ReFS file system (the Resilient File System) was developed by Microsoft as a new generation file system for Windows 8 Servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReFS

Linux, of course, supports numerous file systems, but common choices for the system disk on a block device include the ext* family (ext2, ext3 and ext4), XFS, JFS, ReiserFS, ZFS and btrfs...to name a few. (There are supposedly somewhere between 50 and a hundred file systems that are available in the Linux/Unix sphere but many are specific to particular hardware and software environments.) 

Recently, a new Linux file system is trying to become a first-class citizen by being built into next Linux kernel called the Bcachefs filesystem:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Bcachefs-Linux-Upstream-Start
http://bit.ly/2sB7hvg

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=bcachefs-linux-2018&num=1
http://bit.ly/2kTosnN

https://bcachefs.org/

Jim

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jun  6 12:41:13 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:41:13 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I've used quite a few TP-Link AC1750 routers for my residentials. Nice units, keep them in an area with good circulation though. 

If the walls are a problem and you have cat5/6 run already, you might consider going with a TP-Link TL-R600VPN Router, TL-SG1008 POE Switch and as many AC1750 Wireless Access Point as you need for good throughput from each area. I've used these in small offices - the included controller software is very easy and capable. I wouldn't, but you could run a hotel with these. Nice wireless pass off of connections from unit to unit. The ceiling mount APs mount easy enough. AND I haven't had any of these units overheat (KoW).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

Trying to resolve a lan slowdown has made me aware how old our (NetGear) router is. It's way past time I upgraded it.

It's a big 90-year-old sprawling 2-storey house with electronically resistant stone walls. The router sits upstairs at the northeast corner near 2 (sometimes 3 or 4) ethernet-connected 'puters (one of which is getting a new NIC, per that thread). Ethernet cable & switches connect to 3 more 'puters and a half-dozen other devices downstairs. A few smartphones & tablets connect via wifi, upstairs & downstairs (where there are two wifi extenders).

This is in a wee southern town, internet is slow and can't be reliably sped up but the lan has to be reasonably fast.

So routers like the NetGear 6700 or the TP-Link AC1750 look like fits, and sure enough there are lots of favourable reviews for them, but there are also enogh horror stories to give me pause.

So I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.

PB

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  6 13:05:14 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 12:05:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow motion video editor
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Hi All:

SlowmoVideo is an OpenSource program that creates slow-motion videos from your footage. ...You can smoothly slow down and speed up your footage, optionally with motion blur:

http://slowmovideo.granjow.net/

...For windows users the following link, to the products Github, location and it will allow you to download, compile and run, with full instructions for this specity video editor on Windows as well:

https://github.com/slowmoVideo/slowmoVideo/blob/master/README.md

Jim


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  6 14:35:55 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 14:35:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <8804996f-4e51-a793-d6b3-5775accb6879@earthlink.net>

On 6/6/2018 12:41, John Bartow wrote:
> I've used quite a few TP-Link AC1750 routers for my residentials. Nice units, keep them in an area with good circulation though.
>
> If the walls are a problem and you have cat5/6 run already, you might consider going with a TP-Link TL-R600VPN Router, TL-SG1008 POE Switch and as many AC1750 Wireless Access Point as you need for good throughput from each area. I've used these in small offices - the included controller software is very easy and capable. I wouldn't, but you could run a hotel with these. Nice wireless pass off of connections from unit to unit. The ceiling mount APs mount easy enough. AND I haven't had any of these units overheat (KoW).

Thanks John, the R600VPN might be more technology than I can get this 
old head round, and might entail replacing some switches too, I think 
I'll give the AC1750 a try.

PB

-----

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 8:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
>
> Trying to resolve a lan slowdown has made me aware how old our (NetGear) router is. It's way past time I upgraded it.
>
> It's a big 90-year-old sprawling 2-storey house with electronically resistant stone walls. The router sits upstairs at the northeast corner near 2 (sometimes 3 or 4) ethernet-connected 'puters (one of which is getting a new NIC, per that thread). Ethernet cable & switches connect to 3 more 'puters and a half-dozen other devices downstairs. A few smartphones & tablets connect via wifi, upstairs & downstairs (where there are two wifi extenders).
>
> This is in a wee southern town, internet is slow and can't be reliably sped up but the lan has to be reasonably fast.
>
> So routers like the NetGear 6700 or the TP-Link AC1750 look like fits, and sure enough there are lots of favourable reviews for them, but there are also enogh horror stories to give me pause.
>
> So I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.
>
> PB
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  6 15:09:58 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:09:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slowness
Message-ID: <001701d3fdd2$584b3680$08e1a380$@bchacc.com>

Have you tried swapping the port the slow box is plugged into with a
different port?


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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Skype: rocky.smolin
 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Brawley
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2018 7:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness

Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from 
other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives 
(500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.

Web download speeds haven't changed.

Anybody seen something like this? What should I be checking out?

PB
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  7 12:10:51 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:10:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Facebook AI Research (FAIR) scientists yesterday unveiled a neural network capable of translating music from one style, genre, and set of instruments to another. 

https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/05/22/facebook-made-an-ai-that-convincingly-turns-one-style-of-music-into-another/
http://bit.ly/2JpQYYL

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  7 12:27:24 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:27:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows on Github
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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How much Microsoft Windows code is on Github:

https://github.com/Microsoft/Windows-universal-samples
http://bit.ly/2JtdDn6

Supposedly this is just a start...some commentary is suggesting and this is coming from MS, eventually all of Windows will be, open source, on GitHub?
 
Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  7 12:44:34 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:44:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How To Use the GitLab
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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How to get started with Gitlab. One-Click Install Image to Manage Git Repositories on a Cloud instance.

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-the-gitlab-one-click-install-image-to-manage-git-repositories
https://do.co/2sPxaXx

>From my personal point-of-view, installing Github on Ubuntu 18.04, on Windows 10 should be fun. 

Introduction

GitLab CE, or Community Edition, is an open source application primarily used to host Git repositories, with additional development-related features like issue tracking. It is designed to be hosted using your own infrastructure, and provides flexibility in deploying as an internal repository store for your development team, publicly as a way to interface with users, or even open as a way for contributors to host their own projects.

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-gitlab-on-ubuntu-16-04
https://do.co/2JteS5p

Note: the documentation says Ubuntu 16.04 but 18.04 is fully compatible. Also Gitlab is fully installable on your Raspberry PI 3. :-)

https://hackernoon.com/create-your-own-git-server-using-raspberry-pi-and-gitlab-f64475901a66
http://bit.ly/2Jxda6q

Jim

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun  7 13:17:45 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:17:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
In-Reply-To: <1128608692.158632320.1528391451370.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<327173452.417857962.1521844091378.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<544383850.417911438.1521845317808.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<670617901.480227926.1523560408333.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1792540560.511452959.1524507699349.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Instruments, yes (crudely).  Style - no. Genre - no.

Notes, and tempo are maintained.

" Asked to convert one musical instrument to another, our network is on par
or slightly worse than professional musicians. Many times, people find it
hard to tell which is the original audio file and which is the output of the
conversion that mimics a completely different instrument."  Not so far from
the examples on the link.

r



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter

Facebook AI Research (FAIR) scientists yesterday unveiled a neural network
capable of translating music from one style, genre, and set of instruments
to another. 

https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/05/22/facebook-made-an-a
i-that-convincingly-turns-one-style-of-music-into-another/
http://bit.ly/2JpQYYL

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  7 13:18:25 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:18:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] NextCloud
In-Reply-To: <2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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NextCloud is celebrating two years. From my personal view it is an awesome package:

https://nextcloud.com/blog/celebrating-2-years-nextcloud/
http://bit.ly/2LvfND2

It is fairly intuitional to install your own version of Nextcloud. Two important requirements are one, a domain (acquired from any major hosting company...$5.00 to $10.00 a year) and two, site certification. For a free certifcate, go to "Let's Encrypt": https://letsencrypt.org/

For those wishing to expidite a NextCloud instance on one of your servers, there is a Docker container for easier installantion at:

https://hub.docker.com/r/indiehosters/nextcloud/

Assuming you have Docker installed the following command is all you need to run:

docker pull indiehosters/nextcloud

Aside: Check out the Docker site which will allow anyone to run Containers on virtually any platform: https://www.docker.com/

How to install Docker on most major platforms: 
https://docs.docker.com/install/

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  7 19:14:02 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:14:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
In-Reply-To: <009201d3fe8b$d62bcba0$828362e0$@bchacc.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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I agree with you but I suspect that this is test project and just the beginning.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:17:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter

Instruments, yes (crudely).  Style - no. Genre - no.

Notes, and tempo are maintained.

" Asked to convert one musical instrument to another, our network is on par
or slightly worse than professional musicians. Many times, people find it
hard to tell which is the original audio file and which is the output of the
conversion that mimics a completely different instrument."  Not so far from
the examples on the link.

r



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter

Facebook AI Research (FAIR) scientists yesterday unveiled a neural network
capable of translating music from one style, genre, and set of instruments
to another. 

https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/05/22/facebook-made-an-a
i-that-convincingly-turns-one-style-of-music-into-another/
http://bit.ly/2JpQYYL

Jim

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 19:18:00 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 20:18:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
In-Reply-To: <1812707905.161030781.1528416842647.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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	<1812707905.161030781.1528416842647.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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I am impressed with the ability to tease out the individual notes from a 
composite file.? Not a trivial task mathematically.


On 6/7/2018 8:14 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I agree with you but I suspect that this is test project and just the beginning.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:17:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
>
> Instruments, yes (crudely).  Style - no. Genre - no.
>
> Notes, and tempo are maintained.
>
> " Asked to convert one musical instrument to another, our network is on par
> or slightly worse than professional musicians. Many times, people find it
> hard to tell which is the original audio file and which is the output of the
> conversion that mimics a completely different instrument."  Not so far from
> the examples on the link.
>
> r
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:11 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
>
> Facebook AI Research (FAIR) scientists yesterday unveiled a neural network
> capable of translating music from one style, genre, and set of instruments
> to another.
>
> https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/05/22/facebook-made-an-a
> i-that-convincingly-turns-one-style-of-music-into-another/
> http://bit.ly/2JpQYYL
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  7 20:04:27 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:04:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Science growth
In-Reply-To: <009201d3fe8b$d62bcba0$828362e0$@bchacc.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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It seems China is on route to surpass the US dominance in science. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/china-challenges-american-dominance-of-science/2018/06/03/c1e0cfe4-48d5-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f39423c40b4b
https://wapo.st/2M9nhwD

Aside: IMHO, I suspect much of this change is due to the Republican anti-science stance...which at the very least is not helping and at the most hindering.

"China is on track to surpass the United States by the end of this year, according to the National Science Board."

"...and we will lose the competitive advantage that has made us the most powerful economy in the world."

"The (Chinese science) program has brought more than 7,000 scientists and entrepreneurs to China, the government says. They are given a $160,000 signing bonus, and the government often guarantees research funding for years to come. Foreign-born scientists often get additional perks, like subsidies for housing, meals, relocation, additional bonuses from their provincial government, guaranteed jobs for spouses and regular trips back home."

"President Trump has directed NASA to return astronauts to the moon. But the moon may be crowded when they arrive: Both China and India are planning to launch landers toward the moon this year. China is collaborating with the European Space Agency on a potential moon base." 

Aside: It should be noted that the European, Russian and Indian Space Agencies are working towards establishing joint space missions. In the meantime, Donald is sanctioning our enemies (an ever growing list) and starting a world wide trade war with the remaining US friends...he is truly a fool of the highest order, IMHO. 

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  7 20:46:19 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:46:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS SQL containers
In-Reply-To: <933822770.161342468.1528419867100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Docker SQL Server 2017 Linux Containers with database cloning

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/containers/173237/?utm_source=SSC&utm_medium=pubemail
http://bit.ly/2JiEtlz

Building SQL Server images with Dockerfiles:
Sample...
...
FROM mssql-2017
ENV USE_DOCKERFILE_TO_CREATE_CONTAINER=1
RUN TargetAttach_MSContainerSqlLinux MSDockerIp|192.168.XX.XXX:2375 MSSqlImageName|microsoft/mssql-server-linux
MSDockerClientPath|C:\docker\docker.exe MSContainerPort|$MSContainerPort MSContainerSaPassword|$MSContainerSaPassword MSLinuxMountPathForMountDb|None MSLinuxMountPathForSetupCloning|/windocks/dataexternal/$ContainerId/$ContainerImageName
SETUPCLONING FULL customers C:\windocks\dbbackups\customerdatafull.bak

...Start to explore these capabilities today by downloading the free Windocks Community Edition, available at https://www.windocks.com/community-docker-windows

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  8 15:36:08 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:36:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Just an aside: I have found that WiFi is great for personal use but I would never use a Wifi, unless absolutely necessary, in a commercial environment. WiFi has a theoretical speed maximum of 900 MB/s and Ethernet has a theoretical maximum of 10GB/s (more than 10x the performance). Also, a WiFi connection can be interfered with by any electronic devices of the same or having similar frequencies...and finally, WiFis are prone to failures...maybe static, maybe cheaply built?

OTOH, properly cabling a business or residence can be a real PIA.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:41:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

I've used quite a few TP-Link AC1750 routers for my residentials. Nice units, keep them in an area with good circulation though. 

If the walls are a problem and you have cat5/6 run already, you might consider going with a TP-Link TL-R600VPN Router, TL-SG1008 POE Switch and as many AC1750 Wireless Access Point as you need for good throughput from each area. I've used these in small offices - the included controller software is very easy and capable. I wouldn't, but you could run a hotel with these. Nice wireless pass off of connections from unit to unit. The ceiling mount APs mount easy enough. AND I haven't had any of these units overheat (KoW).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

Trying to resolve a lan slowdown has made me aware how old our (NetGear) router is. It's way past time I upgraded it.

It's a big 90-year-old sprawling 2-storey house with electronically resistant stone walls. The router sits upstairs at the northeast corner near 2 (sometimes 3 or 4) ethernet-connected 'puters (one of which is getting a new NIC, per that thread). Ethernet cable & switches connect to 3 more 'puters and a half-dozen other devices downstairs. A few smartphones & tablets connect via wifi, upstairs & downstairs (where there are two wifi extenders).

This is in a wee southern town, internet is slow and can't be reliably sped up but the lan has to be reasonably fast.

So routers like the NetGear 6700 or the TP-Link AC1750 look like fits, and sure enough there are lots of favourable reviews for them, but there are also enogh horror stories to give me pause.

So I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.

PB

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  8 15:58:39 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:58:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github
In-Reply-To: <AM5PR10MB18272DFC6D1E2C6F3A22F710CA650@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5PR10MB18272DFC6D1E2C6F3A22F710CA650@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <426258708.167162637.1528491519759.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

It does seem that many developer type businesses, that depend on Github, also don't trust Microsoft. It goes with the territory but if MS proves reliable, honest and not bent on just making a fast buck, the start-up industry will turn around...but it is not going to happen immediately. For now many companies are looking for a fall-back plan...just in case. 

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best is the current attitude.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

Hi Jim

Seems like your SiL lost his common sense for a day ... or in general.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 5. juni 2018 20:38
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft now owns Github

It has already been done...it's called Gitlab...that is where so many projects are migrating to:

https://about.gitlab.com/

Aside: My SiL moved his and his entire company's Github projects to Gitlab last night...was up until three in the morning...according to his message timestamp.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/05/gitlabs-high-end-plans-are-now-free-for-open-source-projects-and-schools/
https://tcrn.ch/2Jxul7Z

Jim 

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 17:20:24 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 18:20:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Science growth
In-Reply-To: <933822770.161342468.1528419867100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<670617901.480227926.1523560408333.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <052d64cb-ab81-cff3-3976-fbd87a8d5112@gmail.com>

.he is truly a fool of the highest order, IMHO.

Yep.

On 6/7/2018 9:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> It seems China is on route to surpass the US dominance in science.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/china-challenges-american-dominance-of-science/2018/06/03/c1e0cfe4-48d5-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f39423c40b4b
> https://wapo.st/2M9nhwD
>
> Aside: IMHO, I suspect much of this change is due to the Republican anti-science stance...which at the very least is not helping and at the most hindering.
>
> "China is on track to surpass the United States by the end of this year, according to the National Science Board."
>
> "...and we will lose the competitive advantage that has made us the most powerful economy in the world."
>
> "The (Chinese science) program has brought more than 7,000 scientists and entrepreneurs to China, the government says. They are given a $160,000 signing bonus, and the government often guarantees research funding for years to come. Foreign-born scientists often get additional perks, like subsidies for housing, meals, relocation, additional bonuses from their provincial government, guaranteed jobs for spouses and regular trips back home."
>
> "President Trump has directed NASA to return astronauts to the moon. But the moon may be crowded when they arrive: Both China and India are planning to launch landers toward the moon this year. China is collaborating with the European Space Agency on a potential moon base."
>
> Aside: It should be noted that the European, Russian and Indian Space Agencies are working towards establishing joint space missions. In the meantime, Donald is sanctioning our enemies (an ever growing list) and starting a world wide trade war with the remaining US friends...he is truly a fool of the highest order, IMHO.
>
> Jim
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 00:16:17 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 01:16:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
In-Reply-To: <19847eba-9d7a-e1df-30ef-ba9c4a9df53a@Gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I'm the sort of person that, having found some artist I love, tend to
devour everything. Two cases in point are Beethoven (Cello Sonata Op. 69
No.3) and Stravinsky (Rite of Spring). I have about a dozen recordings of
each, and very pronounced opinions about which artists did them best. The
cello sonata is dead-simple: nobody comes even close to Jackie duPr?, and
more precisely the recording with Stephen Bishop, not the one with Danny
Barenboim. As for the Rite, only Igor understands this piece. The recording
with the Columbia Symphony, conducted by Igor, blows all other versions
away.

Arthur

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:18 PM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am impressed with the ability to tease out the individual notes from a
> composite file.  Not a trivial task mathematically.
>
>
> On 6/7/2018 8:14 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > I agree with you but I suspect that this is test project and just the
> beginning.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:17:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
> >
> > Instruments, yes (crudely).  Style - no. Genre - no.
> >
> > Notes, and tempo are maintained.
> >
> > " Asked to convert one musical instrument to another, our network is on
> par
> > or slightly worse than professional musicians. Many times, people find it
> > hard to tell which is the original audio file and which is the output of
> the
> > conversion that mimics a completely different instrument."  Not so far
> from
> > the examples on the link.
> >
> > r
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Jim Lawrence
> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:11 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
> >
> > Facebook AI Research (FAIR) scientists yesterday unveiled a neural
> network
> > capable of translating music from one style, genre, and set of
> instruments
> > to another.
> >
> >
> https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/05/22/facebook-made-an-a
> > i-that-convincingly-turns-one-style-of-music-into-another/
> > http://bit.ly/2JpQYYL
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
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-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 10 09:12:27 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 08:12:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i37QF1-nVS6R16Gx=9u4j5kRn5eEsPWzv9+5PsMZsurA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1812707905.161030781.1528416842647.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<19847eba-9d7a-e1df-30ef-ba9c4a9df53a@Gmail.com>
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Those are beautiful pieces... You have to have the equipment to do justice to recordings...and I guess you do.

My personal fall back positions are to guitarists; Andres Segovia, Julian Bream and new arrivals, relatively, Xuefei Yang and Milos Karadaglic. I also like a variety of nonclassical guitarists like Jesse Cook and Joe Bonamassa...and more.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 10:16:17 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter

I'm the sort of person that, having found some artist I love, tend to
devour everything. Two cases in point are Beethoven (Cello Sonata Op. 69
No.3) and Stravinsky (Rite of Spring). I have about a dozen recordings of
each, and very pronounced opinions about which artists did them best. The
cello sonata is dead-simple: nobody comes even close to Jackie duPr?, and
more precisely the recording with Stephen Bishop, not the one with Danny
Barenboim. As for the Rite, only Igor understands this piece. The recording
with the Columbia Symphony, conducted by Igor, blows all other versions
away.

Arthur

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:18 PM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am impressed with the ability to tease out the individual notes from a
> composite file.  Not a trivial task mathematically.
>
>
> On 6/7/2018 8:14 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > I agree with you but I suspect that this is test project and just the
> beginning.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:17:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
> >
> > Instruments, yes (crudely).  Style - no. Genre - no.
> >
> > Notes, and tempo are maintained.
> >
> > " Asked to convert one musical instrument to another, our network is on
> par
> > or slightly worse than professional musicians. Many times, people find it
> > hard to tell which is the original audio file and which is the output of
> the
> > conversion that mimics a completely different instrument."  Not so far
> from
> > the examples on the link.
> >
> > r
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Jim Lawrence
> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:11 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] AI music style converter
> >
> > Facebook AI Research (FAIR) scientists yesterday unveiled a neural
> network
> > capable of translating music from one style, genre, and set of
> instruments
> > to another.
> >
> >
> https://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2018/05/22/facebook-made-an-a
> > i-that-convincingly-turns-one-style-of-music-into-another/
> > http://bit.ly/2JpQYYL
> >
> > Jim
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jun 10 11:42:14 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:42:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>

Recently I bought a --um, I think the platform is generically called an
ultrabook. It's small and contains an SSD, my first experience with this
technology. In short, Holy S**t, Batman!  Methinks the days of hard disks
are rapidly waning. I'm gazing at my Old Faithful, an HP Millenium tower
which has only once given me a problem in her entire life, and thinking
that maybe I should give her a digital Red Bull, so to speak. Currently
she's wearing a pair of hard disks, one 250 GB and one 75GB. I haven't
inspected her innards for at least a decade, being satisfied with the
Belarc Advisor reports to tell me what's in there.

Given its age, I don't know whether it has a built-in SSD location, or
whether I need to remove the skinny hard disk and replace it with the SSD..
I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions regarding any of this. I admit that I'm
thinking that this old 'puter would enjoy a transplant, so to speak.

Kindly excuse all the anthropomorphism, but I think of my names for
computers as all relating to Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, etc. (Monty
Python has figured largely in my life; John Cleese doing the Minister of
Silly Walks still makes me fall off the couch with belly-laughs, not to
mention *A Fish Called Wanda. *I digress. My only available apologies are
thoughts of the coming World Cup, combined with thoughts of Jamie Lee
Curtis -- neither of which concerns the original intent of this message,
which was, does anyone have experience with Micron products, and if so, are
their products reliable? Secondarily, is one of their SSDs easily installed
by a person such as myself, with software skills but seriously lacking in
hardware skills?

A.

Being

-- 
Arthur

From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sun Jun 10 11:56:58 2018
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 17:56:58 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401d400dc$0c4c5040$24e4f0c0$@tydda.plus.com>

I haven't used Micron myself, but yes, upgrading your hard drive to an SSD
is the cheapest way to make your computer faster.

I don't think traditional HDDs are going away yet - you can buy 6TB for ?60,
and the equivalent SSD would be in the hundreds.

It's easy enough to do, find an SSD with the same or bigger capacity, and
use another PC to clone your C drive, then "restore" it to the SSD, and
that's about it. You'll notice the difference immediately.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: 10 June 2018 17:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD

Recently I bought a --um, I think the platform is generically called an
ultrabook. It's small and contains an SSD, my first experience with this
technology. In short, Holy S**t, Batman!  Methinks the days of hard disks
are rapidly waning. I'm gazing at my Old Faithful, an HP Millenium tower
which has only once given me a problem in her entire life, and thinking that
maybe I should give her a digital Red Bull, so to speak. Currently she's
wearing a pair of hard disks, one 250 GB and one 75GB. I haven't inspected
her innards for at least a decade, being satisfied with the Belarc Advisor
reports to tell me what's in there.

Given its age, I don't know whether it has a built-in SSD location, or
whether I need to remove the skinny hard disk and replace it with the SSD..
I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions regarding any of this. I admit that I'm
thinking that this old 'puter would enjoy a transplant, so to speak.

Kindly excuse all the anthropomorphism, but I think of my names for
computers as all relating to Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, etc. (Monty
Python has figured largely in my life; John Cleese doing the Minister of
Silly Walks still makes me fall off the couch with belly-laughs, not to
mention *A Fish Called Wanda. *I digress. My only available apologies are
thoughts of the coming World Cup, combined with thoughts of Jamie Lee Curtis
-- neither of which concerns the original intent of this message, which was,
does anyone have experience with Micron products, and if so, are their
products reliable? Secondarily, is one of their SSDs easily installed by a
person such as myself, with software skills but seriously lacking in
hardware skills?

A.

Being

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Jun 10 14:21:39 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:21:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01d400f0$41d0c8e0$c5725aa0$@bchacc.com>

I put an SSD in my Dell 3.n GHz Core i7 machine and the response time
decrease was awesome.  I can never go back.  I still keep the old rotator in
the case and use it for storage but everything I use is on the 256GB SSD.
They're pretty cheap now.  I'd consider upgrading your old box if you want
to keep it. Does it have 4-8GB RAM?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 9:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD

Recently I bought a --um, I think the platform is generically called an
ultrabook. It's small and contains an SSD, my first experience with this
technology. In short, Holy S**t, Batman!  Methinks the days of hard disks
are rapidly waning. I'm gazing at my Old Faithful, an HP Millenium tower
which has only once given me a problem in her entire life, and thinking
that maybe I should give her a digital Red Bull, so to speak. Currently
she's wearing a pair of hard disks, one 250 GB and one 75GB. I haven't
inspected her innards for at least a decade, being satisfied with the
Belarc Advisor reports to tell me what's in there.

Given its age, I don't know whether it has a built-in SSD location, or
whether I need to remove the skinny hard disk and replace it with the SSD..
I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions regarding any of this. I admit that I'm
thinking that this old 'puter would enjoy a transplant, so to speak.

Kindly excuse all the anthropomorphism, but I think of my names for
computers as all relating to Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, etc. (Monty
Python has figured largely in my life; John Cleese doing the Minister of
Silly Walks still makes me fall off the couch with belly-laughs, not to
mention *A Fish Called Wanda. *I digress. My only available apologies are
thoughts of the coming World Cup, combined with thoughts of Jamie Lee
Curtis -- neither of which concerns the original intent of this message,
which was, does anyone have experience with Micron products, and if so, are
their products reliable? Secondarily, is one of their SSDs easily installed
by a person such as myself, with software skills but seriously lacking in
hardware skills?

A.

Being

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 10 20:00:16 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:00:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
In-Reply-To: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
References: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cf2bc614-b0a0-bbbf-d8c9-fd0e91645fb3@earthlink.net>

On 6/3/2018 21:32, Peter Brawley wrote:
> Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from 
> other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives 
> (500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.
>

The problem turned out to be a network switch. Thanks for all the 
suggestions.

PB


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 11 11:48:32 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:48:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programmer
In-Reply-To: <827161459.161481093.1528422379335.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1129BBD148C0157BF68B7622CAAA0@HE1PR1001MB1129.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<458620510.958043.1526053280339.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1313495886.16381226.1526493291959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<2040264565.18104002.1526526203330.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1128608692.158632320.1528391451370.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<009201d3fe8b$d62bcba0$828362e0$@bchacc.com>
	<933822770.161342468.1528419867100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<827161459.161481093.1528422379335.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1558131674.184914813.1528735712494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

A few days ago had some coffee with a foreign programmer (comes from Vancouver), named Chris Cummer. He is an interesting fellow who working primarily in website backend development. On the side, he makes up little sharable apps via Github. (Actually, his whole career was built on Github.):

https://github.com/senorprogrammer

Here is one of his programs I have been using:

https://github.com/senorprogrammer/wtf
https://github.com/senorprogrammer/wtf/archive/master.zip

One of his recommendation for people who are just getting out of school is to learn the GO language. The app that I have been working with is written in GO and anyone can download the source code and investigate the implementation:

https://golang.org/

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 11 12:58:40 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:58:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
In-Reply-To: <cf2bc614-b0a0-bbbf-d8c9-fd0e91645fb3@earthlink.net>
References: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
	<cf2bc614-b0a0-bbbf-d8c9-fd0e91645fb3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <746648422.185289051.1528739920642.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Good going Peter...

Aside: I don't know if I passed on the story of one failed smart switch, if so, ignore the following:

While working in a Bank, one night, doing a system wide install one of the switches apparently failed...but it was between 2 and 3 in the morning. Called head office in Toronto (between 5 and 6 there), they phoned every place in Vancouver (must have woke up so many people) and found a replacement, had it delivered to a floating plane dock, in the Vancouver harbour, with first light a special pilot, flew out of the harbour, to the Victoria harbour, a taxi waiting drove the switch to us waiting in front of the bank...around five...and we have everything installed, re-imaged and running by the time the first workers were arriving. Still to this day I wonder how much that little adventure cost.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness

On 6/3/2018 21:32, Peter Brawley wrote:
> Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from 
> other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives 
> (500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.
>

The problem turned out to be a network switch. Thanks for all the 
suggestions.

PB

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 11 13:48:52 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:48:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1643865741.185576263.1528742932754.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

I would think that John B is still in the business of doing small business and home computer repair and I would bet that he replaces spinning-rust with SSDs at every occasion. A good friend (and Geek coffee buddy) who is also still in the biz, upgrades every client he can as they are always totally impressed with their new performance...it is that dramatic.

I think Micron products are good as I have personally never experienced hardware issues. To my understanding, when a SSD fails, unlike the old spinning drives no data becomes inaccessible...you just lose the ability write to the drive. (But I would not use that as an excuse for not keeping those backups regular and frequent.) 

I don't think we will get away from old drive technology for a while yet as large capacity SSD drives are still way too expensive. (I have a bank of 4 and 8 TB harddrives which I use mostly for backups and data sources.)

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 9:42:14 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD

Recently I bought a --um, I think the platform is generically called an
ultrabook. It's small and contains an SSD, my first experience with this
technology. In short, Holy S**t, Batman!  Methinks the days of hard disks
are rapidly waning. I'm gazing at my Old Faithful, an HP Millenium tower
which has only once given me a problem in her entire life, and thinking
that maybe I should give her a digital Red Bull, so to speak. Currently
she's wearing a pair of hard disks, one 250 GB and one 75GB. I haven't
inspected her innards for at least a decade, being satisfied with the
Belarc Advisor reports to tell me what's in there.

Given its age, I don't know whether it has a built-in SSD location, or
whether I need to remove the skinny hard disk and replace it with the SSD..
I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions regarding any of this. I admit that I'm
thinking that this old 'puter would enjoy a transplant, so to speak.

Kindly excuse all the anthropomorphism, but I think of my names for
computers as all relating to Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, etc. (Monty
Python has figured largely in my life; John Cleese doing the Minister of
Silly Walks still makes me fall off the couch with belly-laughs, not to
mention *A Fish Called Wanda. *I digress. My only available apologies are
thoughts of the coming World Cup, combined with thoughts of Jamie Lee
Curtis -- neither of which concerns the original intent of this message,
which was, does anyone have experience with Micron products, and if so, are
their products reliable? Secondarily, is one of their SSDs easily installed
by a person such as myself, with software skills but seriously lacking in
hardware skills?

A.

Being

-- 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 11 17:28:45 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:28:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
In-Reply-To: <746648422.185289051.1528739920642.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <591913a1-4cc4-a87d-c02c-27c7730a6d6b@earthlink.net>
	<cf2bc614-b0a0-bbbf-d8c9-fd0e91645fb3@earthlink.net>
	<746648422.185289051.1528739920642.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <368efc3f-4270-ad8b-4fd9-5e519082dfb3@earthlink.net>

On 6/11/2018 12:58, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Good going Peter...
>
> Aside: I don't know if I passed on the story of one failed smart switch, if so, ignore the following:
>
> While working in a Bank, one night, doing a system wide install one of the switches apparently failed...but it was between 2 and 3 in the morning. Called head office in Toronto (between 5 and 6 there), they phoned every place in Vancouver (must have woke up so many people) and found a replacement, had it delivered to a floating plane dock, in the Vancouver harbour, with first light a special pilot, flew out of the harbour, to the Victoria harbour, a taxi waiting drove the switch to us waiting in front of the bank...around five...and we have everything installed, re-imaged and running by the time the first workers were arriving. Still to this day I wonder how much that little adventure cost.
>
> Jim\

Wow, the tale of the hundred thousand dollar network switch.

Luckily I was able to reconfigure the wiring to make the switch 
unnecessary :-).

PB

-----

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:00:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] sudden copy slkowness
>
> On 6/3/2018 21:32, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> Suddenly, copying files to either HD on one particular win7 box from
>> other lan 'puters is ten times slower than it had been. Bith drives
>> (500GBm 2TB) are about 55% full.
>>
> The problem turned out to be a network switch. Thanks for all the
> suggestions.
>
> PB
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Jun 12 23:51:31 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:51:31 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD
In-Reply-To: <1643865741.185576263.1528742932754.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1hE5mx5jzPpq_W_oumdhAFvPiV9S22Kbauku5s4XzNM9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1643865741.185576263.1528742932754.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BN7PR11MB2692CE71FB250CE592ED8AC7D87E0@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, just bought a stack of Samsung 250 and 500 GB. They give new life to old puters. Samsung seems to gets good peer recommendations. Micron so-so. I can definitely recommend not using Kindspec brand SSD.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:49 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD

Hi Arthur:

I would think that John B is still in the business of doing small business and home computer repair and I would bet that he replaces spinning-rust with SSDs at every occasion. A good friend (and Geek coffee buddy) who is also still in the biz, upgrades every client he can as they are always totally impressed with their new performance...it is that dramatic.

I think Micron products are good as I have personally never experienced hardware issues. To my understanding, when a SSD fails, unlike the old spinning drives no data becomes inaccessible...you just lose the ability write to the drive. (But I would not use that as an excuse for not keeping those backups regular and frequent.) 

I don't think we will get away from old drive technology for a while yet as large capacity SSD drives are still way too expensive. (I have a bank of 4 and 8 TB harddrives which I use mostly for backups and data sources.)

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 9:42:14 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micron SSD

Recently I bought a --um, I think the platform is generically called an ultrabook. It's small and contains an SSD, my first experience with this technology. In short, Holy S**t, Batman!  Methinks the days of hard disks are rapidly waning. I'm gazing at my Old Faithful, an HP Millenium tower which has only once given me a problem in her entire life, and thinking that maybe I should give her a digital Red Bull, so to speak. Currently she's wearing a pair of hard disks, one 250 GB and one 75GB. I haven't inspected her innards for at least a decade, being satisfied with the Belarc Advisor reports to tell me what's in there.

Given its age, I don't know whether it has a built-in SSD location, or whether I need to remove the skinny hard disk and replace it with the SSD..
I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions regarding any of this. I admit that I'm thinking that this old 'puter would enjoy a transplant, so to speak.

Kindly excuse all the anthropomorphism, but I think of my names for computers as all relating to Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, etc. (Monty Python has figured largely in my life; John Cleese doing the Minister of Silly Walks still makes me fall off the couch with belly-laughs, not to mention *A Fish Called Wanda. *I digress. My only available apologies are thoughts of the coming World Cup, combined with thoughts of Jamie Lee Curtis -- neither of which concerns the original intent of this message, which was, does anyone have experience with Micron products, and if so, are their products reliable? Secondarily, is one of their SSDs easily installed by a person such as myself, with software skills but seriously lacking in hardware skills?

A.

Being

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Jun 12 23:51:30 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:51:30 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where they had proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of problems. The other issue I run into is the average joe using an added little switch to increase network connections. I have one office where there are probably 10 switches in the space where there should be one! They just don't know how to run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes for challenging conversations at times.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

Just an aside: I have found that WiFi is great for personal use but I would never use a Wifi, unless absolutely necessary, in a commercial environment. WiFi has a theoretical speed maximum of 900 MB/s and Ethernet has a theoretical maximum of 10GB/s (more than 10x the performance). Also, a WiFi connection can be interfered with by any electronic devices of the same or having similar frequencies...and finally, WiFis are prone to failures...maybe static, maybe cheaply built?

OTOH, properly cabling a business or residence can be a real PIA.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:41:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

I've used quite a few TP-Link AC1750 routers for my residentials. Nice units, keep them in an area with good circulation though. 

If the walls are a problem and you have cat5/6 run already, you might consider going with a TP-Link TL-R600VPN Router, TL-SG1008 POE Switch and as many AC1750 Wireless Access Point as you need for good throughput from each area. I've used these in small offices - the included controller software is very easy and capable. I wouldn't, but you could run a hotel with these. Nice wireless pass off of connections from unit to unit. The ceiling mount APs mount easy enough. AND I haven't had any of these units overheat (KoW).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

Trying to resolve a lan slowdown has made me aware how old our (NetGear) router is. It's way past time I upgraded it.

It's a big 90-year-old sprawling 2-storey house with electronically resistant stone walls. The router sits upstairs at the northeast corner near 2 (sometimes 3 or 4) ethernet-connected 'puters (one of which is getting a new NIC, per that thread). Ethernet cable & switches connect to 3 more 'puters and a half-dozen other devices downstairs. A few smartphones & tablets connect via wifi, upstairs & downstairs (where there are two wifi extenders).

This is in a wee southern town, internet is slow and can't be reliably sped up but the lan has to be reasonably fast.

So routers like the NetGear 6700 or the TP-Link AC1750 look like fits, and sure enough there are lots of favourable reviews for them, but there are also enogh horror stories to give me pause.

So I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.

PB

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 00:46:06 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 23:46:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
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You are fighting a losing battle.

This is why I hate working for small businesses. They expect incredible service, great performance all with very cheap equipment and pay outlay. Bigger business and government agencies pay you as a knowledgeable consult and tend to actually have basic computer knowledge themselves. They hate unstable and insecure systems, as it is bad for business and are willing to pay for the best. The nice thing is that a bill for a few thousand is small change to them and they always pay the bill without a big production and on time. If I had worked for smaller clients I would have never been able to retire.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:51:30 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where they had proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of problems. The other issue I run into is the average joe using an added little switch to increase network connections. I have one office where there are probably 10 switches in the space where there should be one! They just don't know how to run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes for challenging conversations at times.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 3:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

Just an aside: I have found that WiFi is great for personal use but I would never use a Wifi, unless absolutely necessary, in a commercial environment. WiFi has a theoretical speed maximum of 900 MB/s and Ethernet has a theoretical maximum of 10GB/s (more than 10x the performance). Also, a WiFi connection can be interfered with by any electronic devices of the same or having similar frequencies...and finally, WiFis are prone to failures...maybe static, maybe cheaply built?

OTOH, properly cabling a business or residence can be a real PIA.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:41:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

I've used quite a few TP-Link AC1750 routers for my residentials. Nice units, keep them in an area with good circulation though. 

If the walls are a problem and you have cat5/6 run already, you might consider going with a TP-Link TL-R600VPN Router, TL-SG1008 POE Switch and as many AC1750 Wireless Access Point as you need for good throughput from each area. I've used these in small offices - the included controller software is very easy and capable. I wouldn't, but you could run a hotel with these. Nice wireless pass off of connections from unit to unit. The ceiling mount APs mount easy enough. AND I haven't had any of these units overheat (KoW).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

Trying to resolve a lan slowdown has made me aware how old our (NetGear) router is. It's way past time I upgraded it.

It's a big 90-year-old sprawling 2-storey house with electronically resistant stone walls. The router sits upstairs at the northeast corner near 2 (sometimes 3 or 4) ethernet-connected 'puters (one of which is getting a new NIC, per that thread). Ethernet cable & switches connect to 3 more 'puters and a half-dozen other devices downstairs. A few smartphones & tablets connect via wifi, upstairs & downstairs (where there are two wifi extenders).

This is in a wee southern town, internet is slow and can't be reliably sped up but the lan has to be reasonably fast.

So routers like the NetGear 6700 or the TP-Link AC1750 look like fits, and sure enough there are lots of favourable reviews for them, but there are also enogh horror stories to give me pause.

So I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.

PB

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Jun 13 06:39:01 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 07:39:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
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References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>	<BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>

Salato's payment terminals went wifi for about a year -- we finally asked IT
to come back down and reconnect everything. We tried a boaster, we tried
moving things around. The place shouldn't couldn't handle it. We still use
wifi for a lot of spots, just not at the front desk. 

Susan H. 


I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing
battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where they had
proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of problems. The
other issue I run into is the average joe using an added little switch to
increase network connections. I have one office where there are probably 10
switches in the space where there should be one! They just don't know how to
run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes for challenging conversations at
times.



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 13 08:48:10 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:48:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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On 6/13/2018 6:39, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Salato's payment terminals went wifi for about a year -- we finally asked IT
> to come back down and reconnect everything. We tried a boaster, we tried
> moving things around. The place shouldn't couldn't handle it. We still use
> wifi for a lot of spots, just not at the front desk.

The US has a boaster for a president, that's not working out too well 
either.

PB

-----

>
> Susan H.
>
>
> I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing
> battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where they had
> proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of problems. The
> other issue I run into is the average joe using an added little switch to
> increase network connections. I have one office where there are probably 10
> switches in the space where there should be one! They just don't know how to
> run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes for challenging conversations at
> times.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 13 09:56:54 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:56:54 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid
Message-ID: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

Unless you are a robot - and Facebook knows that already - the Facebook monster it truly scary.
It is some power of ten worse than you had ever imagined:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/facebook-reveals-all-the-way-it-tracks-user-behaviour-2018-6/

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 10:33:45 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:33:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid
In-Reply-To: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Gustav:

It seems a little excessive but we sort of knew that, didn't we? The article is pointing out the obvious and it seems the FB also collects data we might not consider important. Facebook doesn't like anyone else scrapping and using the data that FB is collecting...it could be used for nefarious reasons like what Cambridge Analitica did. Of course, FB has it all, legally and could do far worse and we just have to trust that they wouldn't.

Is it true that Europe has introduced personal rights protection laws?
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 7:56:54 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi all

Unless you are a robot - and Facebook knows that already - the Facebook monster it truly scary.
It is some power of ten worse than you had ever imagined:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/facebook-reveals-all-the-way-it-tracks-user-behaviour-2018-6/

/gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 10:36:55 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:36:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Firefox has introduced a new extension called Side view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk8LZwew_HY

Jim

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 13 10:45:15 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:45:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid
Message-ID: <AM5PR10MB1827EF68ACC986E3906BD28CCA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

I thought I knew, but it only becomes worse and worse - it simply surpasses my imagination.

And yes, GDPR is certainly here:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32001R0045&qid=1439283006325
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation

and it was about time. Facebook and Google both prove that. 

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 13. juni 2018 17:34
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi Gustav:

It seems a little excessive but we sort of knew that, didn't we? The article is pointing out the obvious and it seems the FB also collects data we might not consider important. Facebook doesn't like anyone else scrapping and using the data that FB is collecting...it could be used for nefarious reasons like what Cambridge Analitica did. Of course, FB has it all, legally and could do far worse and we just have to trust that they wouldn't.

Is it true that Europe has introduced personal rights protection laws?
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 7:56:54 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi all

Unless you are a robot - and Facebook knows that already - the Facebook monster it truly scary.
It is some power of ten worse than you had ever imagined:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/facebook-reveals-all-the-way-it-tracks-user-behaviour-2018-6/

/gustav 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 11:21:01 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:21:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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	<009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

That is something that experienced techs discovered some time ago. WiFi is just not dependable and when it comes to the money end of a business, dependability is the name of the game. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:39:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house

Salato's payment terminals went wifi for about a year -- we finally asked IT
to come back down and reconnect everything. We tried a boaster, we tried
moving things around. The place shouldn't couldn't handle it. We still use
wifi for a lot of spots, just not at the front desk. 

Susan H. 


I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing
battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where they had
proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of problems. The
other issue I run into is the average joe using an added little switch to
increase network connections. I have one office where there are probably 10
switches in the space where there should be one! They just don't know how to
run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes for challenging conversations at
times.


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Jun 13 11:37:00 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:37:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>	<BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<BN7PR11MB269225626314A4A360568193D87E0@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>
	<147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>

I apologize everyone for the massively horrid content in my post. Either I
was half asleep or totally distracted. Context is valid, but I'm surprised
anyone could comprehend it! 

Susan H. 


That is something that experienced techs discovered some time ago. WiFi is
just not dependable and when it comes to the money end of a business,
dependability is the name of the game. 

Jim

Salato's payment terminals went wifi for about a year -- we finally asked IT
to come back down and reconnect everything. We tried a boaster, we tried
moving things around. The place shouldn't couldn't handle it. We still use
wifi for a lot of spots, just not at the front desk. 

Susan H. 


I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing
battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where they had
proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of problems. The
other issue I run into is the average joe using an added little switch to
increase network connections. I have one office where there are probably 10
switches in the space where there should be one! They just don't know how to
run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes for challenging conversations at
times.


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun 13 12:24:59 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:24:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>

How often do you need to see two sites at once side by side?  And on those
rare occasions, how often can you live with seeing only 1/2 of each site?
And wouldn't opening the second site on a second browser (on your second
monitor) work? And eliminate the horizontal scrolling which is a PITA? No
second monitor? Open a second browser window and alt-Tab between them.

Is this the classic solution-in-search-of-a-problem?

r



-----Original Message-----
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Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 8:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature

Hi All:

Firefox has introduced a new extension called Side view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk8LZwew_HY

Jim
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 13 12:41:02 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:41:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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	<147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca5969c4-8ed4-f302-463a-3161c01dd0eb@earthlink.net>

On 6/13/2018 11:37, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I apologize everyone for the massively horrid content in my post. Either I
> was half asleep or totally distracted. Context is valid, but I'm surprised
> anyone could comprehend it!

Susan you've a long way to go to reach 'horrid'.

PB

-----

>
> Susan H.
>
>
> That is something that experienced techs discovered some time ago. WiFi is
> just not dependable and when it comes to the money end of a business,
> dependability is the name of the game.
>
> Jim
>
> Salato's payment terminals went wifi for about a year -- we finally asked IT
> to come back down and reconnect everything. We tried a boaster, we tried
> moving things around. The place shouldn't couldn't handle it. We still use
> wifi for a lot of spots, just not at the front desk.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing
> battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where they had
> proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of problems. The
> other issue I run into is the average joe using an added little switch to
> increase network connections. I have one office where there are probably 10
> switches in the space where there should be one! They just don't know how to
> run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes for challenging conversations at
> times.
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Jun 13 13:06:17 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:06:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] gigbit router for big house
In-Reply-To: <ca5969c4-8ed4-f302-463a-3161c01dd0eb@earthlink.net>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>	<BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<BN7PR11MB269225626314A4A360568193D87E0@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>	<147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>
	<ca5969c4-8ed4-f302-463a-3161c01dd0eb@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00cf01d40341$3a62d460$af287d20$@gmail.com>

Thank you. ? 

Susan H. 


On 6/13/2018 11:37, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I apologize everyone for the massively horrid content in my post. 
> Either I was half asleep or totally distracted. Context is valid, but 
> I'm surprised anyone could comprehend it!

Susan you've a long way to go to reach 'horrid'.

PB

-----

>
> Susan H.
>
>
> That is something that experienced techs discovered some time ago. 
> WiFi is just not dependable and when it comes to the money end of a 
> business, dependability is the name of the game.
>
> Jim
>
> Salato's payment terminals went wifi for about a year -- we finally 
> asked IT to come back down and reconnect everything. We tried a 
> boaster, we tried moving things around. The place shouldn't couldn't 
> handle it. We still use wifi for a lot of spots, just not at the front desk.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> I'm of t a similar opinion on Wi-Fi in business. But we fight a losing 
> battle. I've de-wi-fi-ed a couple of business that I took on where 
> they had proper cat5/6 cabling already in place! Solves a myriad of 
> problems. The other issue I run into is the average joe using an added 
> little switch to increase network connections. I have one office where 
> there are probably 10 switches in the space where there should be one! 
> They just don't know how to run a wire so they buy a switch. It makes 
> for challenging conversations at times.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 13:16:53 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:16:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid
In-Reply-To: <AM5PR10MB1827EF68ACC986E3906BD28CCA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5PR10MB1827EF68ACC986E3906BD28CCA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <975262701.199689671.1528913813735.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

At the risk of being political but here is where tech and politics collides. It is more than just Facebook and Google, it is the Five-Eyes and the NSA. Google and Facebook may be the desktop collectors of the data and the companies who have developed systems for extracting useful information and profiling but government agencies are the ultimate storage and data users. Whether they will use their knowledge for good or bad is beyond any countries' citizens ability monitor or regulate.

Europe is making a good set of first steps but other countries have little or no regulations or over-sight. Google and Facebook may be doing their collecting in Europe but their data is stored outside of Europe and outside of any legal controls.

One day we can hope that all countries, in the civilized world, will adhere to decent privacy guidelines...but today is not that day.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 8:45:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi Jim

I thought I knew, but it only becomes worse and worse - it simply surpasses my imagination.

And yes, GDPR is certainly here:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32001R0045&qid=1439283006325
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation

and it was about time. Facebook and Google both prove that. 

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. juni 2018 17:34
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi Gustav:

It seems a little excessive but we sort of knew that, didn't we? The article is pointing out the obvious and it seems the FB also collects data we might not consider important. Facebook doesn't like anyone else scrapping and using the data that FB is collecting...it could be used for nefarious reasons like what Cambridge Analitica did. Of course, FB has it all, legally and could do far worse and we just have to trust that they wouldn't.

Is it true that Europe has introduced personal rights protection laws?
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 7:56:54 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi all

Unless you are a robot - and Facebook knows that already - the Facebook monster it truly scary.
It is some power of ten worse than you had ever imagined:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/facebook-reveals-all-the-way-it-tracks-user-behaviour-2018-6/

/gustav 

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Jun 13 13:34:04 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:34:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid
In-Reply-To: <975262701.199689671.1528913813735.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <AM5PR10MB1827EF68ACC986E3906BD28CCA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<975262701.199689671.1528913813735.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0AF5734@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Actually I get a lot of similar data from our crm.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?13/?06/?2018 19:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi Gustav:

At the risk of being political but here is where tech and politics collides. It is more than just Facebook and Google, it is the Five-Eyes and the NSA. Google and Facebook may be the desktop collectors of the data and the companies who have developed systems for extracting useful information and profiling but government agencies are the ultimate storage and data users. Whether they will use their knowledge for good or bad is beyond any countries' citizens ability monitor or regulate.

Europe is making a good set of first steps but other countries have little or no regulations or over-sight. Google and Facebook may be doing their collecting in Europe but their data is stored outside of Europe and outside of any legal controls.

One day we can hope that all countries, in the civilized world, will adhere to decent privacy guidelines...but today is not that day.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 8:45:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi Jim

I thought I knew, but it only becomes worse and worse - it simply surpasses my imagination.

And yes, GDPR is certainly here:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32001R0045&qid=1439283006325
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation

and it was about time. Facebook and Google both prove that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. juni 2018 17:34
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi Gustav:

It seems a little excessive but we sort of knew that, didn't we? The article is pointing out the obvious and it seems the FB also collects data we might not consider important. Facebook doesn't like anyone else scrapping and using the data that FB is collecting...it could be used for nefarious reasons like what Cambridge Analitica did. Of course, FB has it all, legally and could do far worse and we just have to trust that they wouldn't.

Is it true that Europe has introduced personal rights protection laws?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 7:56:54 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not for the paranoid

Hi all

Unless you are a robot - and Facebook knows that already - the Facebook monster it truly scary.
It is some power of ten worse than you had ever imagined:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/facebook-reveals-all-the-way-it-tracks-user-behaviour-2018-6/

/gustav

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Jun 13 14:24:01 2018
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:24:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <01cd01d4034c$1626b3e0$42741ba0$@bassett.net>

I for one, am thrilled to see it. I tried it out just after Jim posted about
it. For genealogy purpose, I sometimes have to compare the info on one site
to another and this makes it lots easier to compare. I won't use it all the
time, but it's nice to have the ability when I need it.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
Rocky asked:
> How often do you need to see two sites at once side by side?  And on those
> rare occasions, how often can you live with seeing only 1/2 of each site?
> And wouldn't opening the second site on a second browser (on your second
> monitor) work? And eliminate the horizontal scrolling which is a PITA? No
> second monitor? Open a second browser window and alt-Tab between
> them.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Firefox has introduced a new extension called Side view:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk8LZwew_HY
> Jim 


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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Jun 13 14:35:39 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:35:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <01cd01d4034c$1626b3e0$42741ba0$@bassett.net>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>
	<01cd01d4034c$1626b3e0$42741ba0$@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <CY4PR19MB0103821941A0CCC18B9B0048F67E0@CY4PR19MB0103.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I'm a little puzzled.  Starting with W7, you can place windows side by side on a monitor just by grabbing the title bar of the window and moving it to the side of the monitor.  Is this new feature better than that?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: June 13, 2018 14:24
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature

I for one, am thrilled to see it. I tried it out just after Jim posted about
it. For genealogy purpose, I sometimes have to compare the info on one site
to another and this makes it lots easier to compare. I won't use it all the
time, but it's nice to have the ability when I need it.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
Rocky asked:
> How often do you need to see two sites at once side by side?  And on those
> rare occasions, how often can you live with seeing only 1/2 of each site?
> And wouldn't opening the second site on a second browser (on your second
> monitor) work? And eliminate the horizontal scrolling which is a PITA? No
> second monitor? Open a second browser window and alt-Tab between
> them.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Firefox has introduced a new extension called Side view:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk8LZwew_HY
> Jim 


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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Jun 13 14:49:15 2018
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:49:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR19MB0103821941A0CCC18B9B0048F67E0@CY4PR19MB0103.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>	<01cd01d4034c$1626b3e0$42741ba0$@bassett.net>
	<CY4PR19MB0103821941A0CCC18B9B0048F67E0@CY4PR19MB0103.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <01f601d4034f$9daa9950$d8ffcbf0$@bassett.net>

Doing the way you mention involves  opening a second incident of browser,
resizing both windows to position them side by side. Then when done,
resizing the main window back to preferred size. This new FF feature you
click on the side by side icon, and when done, click the x. Much, much,
simpler.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 Jun 2018 12:36 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
> 
> I'm a little puzzled.  Starting with W7, you can place windows side by
side on a
> monitor just by grabbing the title bar of the window and moving it to the
side
> of the monitor.  Is this new feature better than that?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: June 13, 2018 14:24
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
> 
> I for one, am thrilled to see it. I tried it out just after Jim posted
about it. For
> genealogy purpose, I sometimes have to compare the info on one site to
> another and this makes it lots easier to compare. I won't use it all the
time,
> but it's nice to have the ability when I need it.
> Kathryn 



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 15:04:55 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:04:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <1388119853.200273921.1528920295257.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Every feature has a usefulness but it depends on your particular circumstances.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:24:59 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature

How often do you need to see two sites at once side by side?  And on those
rare occasions, how often can you live with seeing only 1/2 of each site?
And wouldn't opening the second site on a second browser (on your second
monitor) work? And eliminate the horizontal scrolling which is a PITA? No
second monitor? Open a second browser window and alt-Tab between them.

Is this the classic solution-in-search-of-a-problem?

r



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 8:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature

Hi All:

Firefox has introduced a new extension called Side view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk8LZwew_HY

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 13 15:13:12 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:13:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR19MB0103821941A0CCC18B9B0048F67E0@CY4PR19MB0103.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1536320606.198711639.1528904215733.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>
	<01cd01d4034c$1626b3e0$42741ba0$@bassett.net>
	<CY4PR19MB0103821941A0CCC18B9B0048F67E0@CY4PR19MB0103.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1226190079.200322249.1528920792571.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Dan:

I guess it depends from where you are comparing your data. The FF plugin is for closely comparing two browser tabs. I, myself may not use this feature often but there are times when it will prove very useful. No builder or developer can ever have too many tools. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 12:35:39 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature

I'm a little puzzled.  Starting with W7, you can place windows side by side on a monitor just by grabbing the title bar of the window and moving it to the side of the monitor.  Is this new feature better than that?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: June 13, 2018 14:24
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature

I for one, am thrilled to see it. I tried it out just after Jim posted about
it. For genealogy purpose, I sometimes have to compare the info on one site
to another and this makes it lots easier to compare. I won't use it all the
time, but it's nice to have the ability when I need it.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
Rocky asked:
> How often do you need to see two sites at once side by side?  And on those
> rare occasions, how often can you live with seeing only 1/2 of each site?
> And wouldn't opening the second site on a second browser (on your second
> monitor) work? And eliminate the horizontal scrolling which is a PITA? No
> second monitor? Open a second browser window and alt-Tab between
> them.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Firefox has introduced a new extension called Side view:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk8LZwew_HY
> Jim 


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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Jun 13 15:44:52 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:44:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <01f601d4034f$9daa9950$d8ffcbf0$@bassett.net>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Kathryn,

The windows won't need to be manually resized.  Use the mouse to click and hold the title bar of any window and drag your mouse to the side of the monitor.  You'll see the window 'snap' to a size that is half the monitor and is on the side where you dragged it to.  Then let go of the mouse button.  This works in W7+.  

In W10 you can also drag into the corner of a monitor to 'snap' a window to 1/4 size.  That way you can display 4 equally sized windows which fill the monitor.

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: June 13, 2018 14:49
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature

Doing the way you mention involves  opening a second incident of browser,
resizing both windows to position them side by side. Then when done,
resizing the main window back to preferred size. This new FF feature you
click on the side by side icon, and when done, click the x. Much, much,
simpler.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 Jun 2018 12:36 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
> 
> I'm a little puzzled.  Starting with W7, you can place windows side by
side on a
> monitor just by grabbing the title bar of the window and moving it to the
side
> of the monitor.  Is this new feature better than that?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: June 13, 2018 14:24
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
> 
> I for one, am thrilled to see it. I tried it out just after Jim posted
about it. For
> genealogy purpose, I sometimes have to compare the info on one site to
> another and this makes it lots easier to compare. I won't use it all the
time,
> but it's nice to have the ability when I need it.
> Kathryn 



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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 06:57:50 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:57:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox has a new feature
In-Reply-To: <001101d4033b$751bb190$5f5314b0$@bchacc.com>
References: <AM5PR10MB18271AE68E69DCBE0AC0C512CA7E0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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When I need that I drag the tab off to a new instance, then I use 
Alt-Tab to toggle back and forth.? Full screen and instantaneous.


On 6/13/2018 1:24 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> How often do you need to see two sites at once side by side?  And on those
> rare occasions, how often can you live with seeing only 1/2 of each site?
> And wouldn't opening the second site on a second browser (on your second
> monitor) work? And eliminate the horizontal scrolling which is a PITA? No
> second monitor? Open a second browser window and alt-Tab between them.
>
> Is this the classic solution-in-search-of-a-problem?
>
> r
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 12:46:02 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:46:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about such tools as WordPress
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1in68Sv5_FNbYmBBZsMo+zLE-erHi9=+i+zo2k_=xp_Eg@mail.gmail.com>

More generally, I guess, this question concerns how such web pages as The
New York Times  <https://www.nytimes.com/> are laid out. When a story
continues elsewhere, what does the creator do, in practice? Start with the
entire article, give it a page name, then cut the title and first
paragraph, and paste that into a frame on the main page? And, finally, add
an URL at the bottom that points to the rest of the article?

That seems like a lot of work, particularly when multiplied by the number
of articles mentioned on the main page. I imagine there's a much simpler
technique. Do you know what it is?

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 12:49:54 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:49:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1goV293y3EUdc9DuUEYEM74qe3=SOsJu49y=xqd+U3VUQ@mail.gmail.com>

For some reason, when I compose a new message in Gmail, the size of the
message body defaults to Large. I want to change this so the default is Normal.
As things stand, I have to change it every time I compose a new message.

Alternative, I'd be happy resetting the entire Gmail back to its original
settings.

Suggestions?

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 12:55:17 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:55:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1goV293y3EUdc9DuUEYEM74qe3=SOsJu49y=xqd+U3VUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1goV293y3EUdc9DuUEYEM74qe3=SOsJu49y=xqd+U3VUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iCVgvYMvUjTya=7gwdZ1BHt2cVLVX91AUGV2z2nSuxGw@mail.gmail.com>

Never mind. I just found it.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 1:49 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> For some reason, when I compose a new message in Gmail, the size of the
> message body defaults to Large. I want to change this so the default is Normal.
> As things stand, I have to change it every time I compose a new message.
>
> Alternative, I'd be happy resetting the entire Gmail back to its original
> settings.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> --
> Arthur
>
>

-- 
Arthur

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 14 16:54:23 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:54:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about such tools as WordPress
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1in68Sv5_FNbYmBBZsMo+zLE-erHi9=+i+zo2k_=xp_Eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1in68Sv5_FNbYmBBZsMo+zLE-erHi9=+i+zo2k_=xp_Eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77412b75-f457-3052-7642-ebf0a09da28f@earthlink.net>

On 6/14/2018 12:46, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> More generally, I guess, this question concerns how such web pages as The
> New York Times  <https://www.nytimes.com/> are laid out. When a story
> continues elsewhere, what does the creator do, in practice?

Depends on the app language, and on how the document to be presented is 
formatted. The articles at https://www.artfulsoftware.com/queries.php 
are text with some embedded html. After a few full articles have been 
shown, the page uses a little func that returns a pointer to the end of 
15 lines in the text or the beginning of a preformatted block, or null 
if neither is found ...

function txtbreak( $s, $len, $n ) {

 ? $found=0; $start=0;

 ? while( $start<$len && $found<$n ) {

 ??? $ip = stripos( $s, "<pre", $start );

 ??? if( $ip !== FALSE ) {

 ????? $end = stripos( $s, "</pre", $ip+5 );

 ????? if( empty($end)) break;

 ????? $prelines = (int) floor( $end - $ip ) / 25;? // ESTIMATE

 ????? $found += $prelines;

 ????? $start = $end+6;

 ????? if( $found > $n ) break;

 ????? continue;

 ??? }

 ??? $ib = stripos( $s, "<br", $start ); if( $ib === FALSE ) $ib = 999999;

 ??? $in = strpos( $s, "\n", $start ); if( $in === FALSE ) $in = 999999;

 ??? $x = min( $ib, $in );

 ??? if( $x < 999999 ) {

 ????? $found++;

 ????? $start = $x + 2;

 ??? }

 ??? else {

 ????? $start = 0;

 ????? break;

 ??? }

 ? }

 ? return ( $start > 2 ) ? $start-2 : $start;

}


The article renderer then says ...

 ????????? $cut = txtbreak( $out, $len, 15 );

 ????????? if( $cut ) $out = substr( $out, 0, $cut );

 ????????? if( ( substr_count( $out, "<pre>" ) - substr_count( $out, 
"</pre>" )) % 2 )

 ??????????? $out .= "</pre>";

 ????????? if( ( substr_count( $out, "<code>" ) - substr_count( $out, 
"</code>" )) % 2 )

 ??????????? $out .= "</code>";

 ????????? $tease = "<p><b><i><a href='qrytip.php?id=$j'>" .

 ?????????????????????? "Read the entire item</a></i></b></p>\n";


I think WordPress is meant to make such coding unnecessary, so it 
prob'ly has a parameterised func to do such.

PB

-----

>   Start with the
> entire article, give it a page name, then cut the title and first
> paragraph, and paste that into a frame on the main page? And, finally, add
> an URL at the bottom that points to the rest of the article?
>
> That seems like a lot of work, particularly when multiplied by the number
> of articles mentioned on the main page. I imagine there's a much simpler
> technique. Do you know what it is?
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 16 12:04:51 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:04:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>
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This video is about Fox News but CNN is equally as ridiculous (CNN is just slamming FoxNews and they would never do that to themselves.) ;-) :

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/12/fox-news-obama-trump-coverage.cnn

Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no attempt to seem unbiased.

Jim 

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 12:07:37 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 13:07:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <1603197383.220374185.1529168691552.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>	<BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<BN7PR11MB269225626314A4A360568193D87E0@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>	<147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>
	<1603197383.220374185.1529168691552.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <006a01d40594$88016b00$98044100$@gmail.com>

No. But I enjoy watching Sarah Huckabee. ? 

Susan H. 

Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no attempt to seem unbiased.





From df.waters at outlook.com  Sat Jun 16 12:27:23 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 17:27:23 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <006a01d40594$88016b00$98044100$@gmail.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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	<009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>
	<147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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I have to cringe when I watch her.  All the goofy things she says.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: June 16, 2018 12:08
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form

No. But I enjoy watching Sarah Huckabee. ? 

Susan H. 

Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no attempt to seem unbiased.




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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 12:42:35 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 13:42:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
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References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>	<BN7PR11MB269247F7931A02745E2CB935D8650@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<BN7PR11MB269225626314A4A360568193D87E0@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>	<147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>	<1603197383.220374185.1529168691552.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<006a01d40594$88016b00$98044100$@gmail.com>
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Goofy? Perspective I guess. She comes across as competent and firm to me. 

Susan H. 



I have to cringe when I watch her.  All the goofy things she says.


No. But I enjoy watching Sarah Huckabee. ? 

Susan H. 

Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no attempt to seem unbiased.




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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 13:07:49 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 14:07:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <1603197383.220374185.1529168691552.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Wrong group. Should be OT, not Tech.

Your friendly neighbourhood listmaster.

Bryan

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 at 13:05, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> This video is about Fox News but CNN is equally as ridiculous (CNN is just
> slamming FoxNews and they would never do that to themselves.) ;-) :
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/12/fox-news-obama-trump-coverage.cnn
>
> Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no
> attempt to seem unbiased.
>
> Jim
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-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 18:19:24 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:19:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] I'm sorry
Message-ID: <016701d405c8$770b14c0$65213e40$@gmail.com>

Earlier, I responded to a post by Jim thinking we were over on OT. I
apologize for poking fun at Jim -- as he often does me -- at the expense of
this technical list. Had I paid closer attention, I would've realized we
weren't OT and never responded. I apologize to everyone and I hope you'll
accept my apology. 

Susan H. 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 19:18:25 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 20:18:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEdC7X-Htn1ne1Cvo9kSXyo+2hJeSx8hGRsL_XyefpkAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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It's been a while since I studied poetry in school, but my memory is
relatively good, given my age. Wallace Stevens, I think, wrote (sorry, I
cannot recall the poem, and a cursory Google search failed to find it):
     I am a man of principle,
     WIthin the limits of expediency.
Perhaps the Stevens citation was in error. I simply can't recall. It might
even be a snippet from Browning's My Last Duchess. At almost 71 yo, I tend
to conflate things that ought not be conflated.
One could go far before discovering a more accurate description of the
state in which perhaps the majority of GOP representatives find themselves,
and frankly I feel sorry for them. Ugly choice, either way: a) adopt the
sycophant posture (arse high in the air, on the simultaneous beliefs that
most of your voters are died-in-the-wool Trumpians, or b) stand up for the
values that created the GOP, which necessarily involves massive rejection
of the Trump takeover of the Party, and a stance against the President, and
ultimately, risks both your seat and even more ominously, a vote, along
with the Dems, in favour of impeachment.
As you know, I'm a Canadian, and therefore have problems with the two-party
American system, but that is fruit for another discussion, not this one.
In the past week, I have read the American Constitution three times, along
with its Amendments. I'm ill-prepared to call myself an expert, but I've
learned and grasped a quote and a concept here and there, and feel much
better equipped to argue various points than I did last month.
More to follow in next message; I'm aware of word-count limits.
Those are the two choices facing the GOP. Both, I admit, are ugly.
?

From df.waters at outlook.com  Sun Jun 17 07:14:00 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 12:14:00 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iQnW_LqU=Dh+iFtddkSLhom_Gdy8mQtsTutHXkQyWr8A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur,

Before the 'List Police' steps in I just want to say that this is the Technical list instead of OT.  OK - I've saved you from getting a ticket!

But I have to say - Republicans (in general) believe strongly that laws should be followed but Trump absolutely doesn't.  CNN online has an excellent article titled, 'The proper way to view the Trump Foundation scandal'. 

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: June 16, 2018 19:18
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form

It's been a while since I studied poetry in school, but my memory is
relatively good, given my age. Wallace Stevens, I think, wrote (sorry, I
cannot recall the poem, and a cursory Google search failed to find it):
     I am a man of principle,
     WIthin the limits of expediency.
Perhaps the Stevens citation was in error. I simply can't recall. It might
even be a snippet from Browning's My Last Duchess. At almost 71 yo, I tend
to conflate things that ought not be conflated.
One could go far before discovering a more accurate description of the
state in which perhaps the majority of GOP representatives find themselves,
and frankly I feel sorry for them. Ugly choice, either way: a) adopt the
sycophant posture (arse high in the air, on the simultaneous beliefs that
most of your voters are died-in-the-wool Trumpians, or b) stand up for the
values that created the GOP, which necessarily involves massive rejection
of the Trump takeover of the Party, and a stance against the President, and
ultimately, risks both your seat and even more ominously, a vote, along
with the Dems, in favour of impeachment.
As you know, I'm a Canadian, and therefore have problems with the two-party
American system, but that is fruit for another discussion, not this one.
In the past week, I have read the American Constitution three times, along
with its Amendments. I'm ill-prepared to call myself an expert, but I've
learned and grasped a quote and a concept here and there, and feel much
better equipped to argue various points than I did last month.
More to follow in next message; I'm aware of word-count limits.
Those are the two choices facing the GOP. Both, I admit, are ugly.
?
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 17 07:17:20 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 08:17:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR19MB010373D013C99DCF132C1D70F6720@CY4PR19MB0103.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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Too late. The list police stepped in 7 hours BEFORE Arthur posted ;)

Your friendly neighbourhood Listmaster
Bryan

On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 at 08:14, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> Before the 'List Police' steps in I just want to say that this is the
> Technical list instead of OT.  OK - I've saved you from getting a ticket!
>
> But I have to say - Republicans (in general) believe strongly that laws
> should be followed but Trump absolutely doesn't.  CNN online has an
> excellent article titled, 'The proper way to view the Trump Foundation
> scandal'.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: June 16, 2018 19:18
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
>
> It's been a while since I studied poetry in school, but my memory is
> relatively good, given my age. Wallace Stevens, I think, wrote (sorry, I
> cannot recall the poem, and a cursory Google search failed to find it):
>      I am a man of principle,
>      WIthin the limits of expediency.
> Perhaps the Stevens citation was in error. I simply can't recall. It might
> even be a snippet from Browning's My Last Duchess. At almost 71 yo, I tend
> to conflate things that ought not be conflated.
> One could go far before discovering a more accurate description of the
> state in which perhaps the majority of GOP representatives find themselves,
> and frankly I feel sorry for them. Ugly choice, either way: a) adopt the
> sycophant posture (arse high in the air, on the simultaneous beliefs that
> most of your voters are died-in-the-wool Trumpians, or b) stand up for the
> values that created the GOP, which necessarily involves massive rejection
> of the Trump takeover of the Party, and a stance against the President, and
> ultimately, risks both your seat and even more ominously, a vote, along
> with the Dems, in favour of impeachment.
> As you know, I'm a Canadian, and therefore have problems with the two-party
> American system, but that is fruit for another discussion, not this one.
> In the past week, I have read the American Constitution three times, along
> with its Amendments. I'm ill-prepared to call myself an expert, but I've
> learned and grasped a quote and a concept here and there, and feel much
> better equipped to argue various points than I did last month.
> More to follow in next message; I'm aware of word-count limits.
> Those are the two choices facing the GOP. Both, I admit, are ugly.
> ?
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 17 11:03:38 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 10:03:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <1603197383.220374185.1529168691552.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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Sorry all...meant to post that on OT.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 10:04:51 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form

This video is about Fox News but CNN is equally as ridiculous (CNN is just slamming FoxNews and they would never do that to themselves.) ;-) :

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/12/fox-news-obama-trump-coverage.cnn

Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no attempt to seem unbiased.

Jim 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 17 12:45:17 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 11:45:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about such tools as WordPress
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1in68Sv5_FNbYmBBZsMo+zLE-erHi9=+i+zo2k_=xp_Eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1in68Sv5_FNbYmBBZsMo+zLE-erHi9=+i+zo2k_=xp_Eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1718857592.226563505.1529257517040.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Nowadays, a website has to go beyond just a standard rigid formatting. The pages have to be adaptive to the devices they will be shown on; PC, tablets or most likely these days, cell phone...in multiple directions. Then more pictures and videos have become standard and this also has to be completely adaptive.

A good website, today, is a major construction, much more complex than anything I used to do. That said, if a good website is designed it is really easy to drag and drop an article into a page as it mostly formats itself.

I am sure all these online newspapers can crank out a well formatted articles with little effort as all the design structure is in place.

A writer or reporter can update an article from anywhere just using their laptop or cell phones...easy peasy.

No wonder good web-designers are paid very well.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 10:46:02 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about such tools as WordPress

More generally, I guess, this question concerns how such web pages as The
New York Times  <https://www.nytimes.com/> are laid out. When a story
continues elsewhere, what does the creator do, in practice? Start with the
entire article, give it a page name, then cut the title and first
paragraph, and paste that into a frame on the main page? And, finally, add
an URL at the bottom that points to the rest of the article?

That seems like a lot of work, particularly when multiplied by the number
of articles mentioned on the main page. I imagine there's a much simpler
technique. Do you know what it is?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 17 13:53:58 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 12:53:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <006a01d40594$88016b00$98044100$@gmail.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
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	<006a01d40594$88016b00$98044100$@gmail.com>
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You must admit that lady has guts.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 10:07:37 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form

No. But I enjoy watching Sarah Huckabee. ? 

Susan H. 

Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no attempt to seem unbiased.




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 18 13:08:48 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:08:48 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEdC7X-Htn1ne1Cvo9kSXyo+2hJeSx8hGRsL_XyefpkAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0788f763-ecc1-374e-fc18-1a3dff17f704@earthlink.net>
	<1490019258.167069096.1528490168486.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<BN7PR11MB269225626314A4A360568193D87E0@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<009201d4030b$203bf1b0$60b3d510$@gmail.com>
	<147808767.199011932.1528906861763.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002b01d40334$c0d0a930$4271fb90$@gmail.com>
	<1603197383.220374185.1529168691552.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<CAAZtbWEdC7X-Htn1ne1Cvo9kSXyo+2hJeSx8hGRsL_XyefpkAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1366642422.232995256.1529345328316.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Thanks...observed...and done. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "carbonnb" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 11:07:49 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hypocrisy is an art form

Wrong group. Should be OT, not Tech.

Your friendly neighbourhood listmaster.

Bryan

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 at 13:05, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> This video is about Fox News but CNN is equally as ridiculous (CNN is just
> slamming FoxNews and they would never do that to themselves.) ;-) :
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/12/fox-news-obama-trump-coverage.cnn
>
> Does anyone still watch establishment news? No morals, no backbone and no
> attempt to seem unbiased.
>
> Jim
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 15:04:04 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:04:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGWffVreXQu00MwRq-Bba2XDPxYkZSSzT=KZzq502sXYw@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

Can you ping me offlist.

Bryan

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jun 20 16:03:21 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 21:03:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
Message-ID: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

>From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar". 
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface

As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 16:57:15 2018
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:57:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmasF_mdFYE6A3fC4=Teg+q7fPfsuJo-mNaDVhq6ZXKz_w@mail.gmail.com>

Eventually you will just ask Cortana or Alexa to fetch your feature, then
they will reintroduce search and circle back around to menus.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 2:04 PM John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar".
>
> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface
>
> As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.
>
>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 17:00:53 2018
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:00:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Power BI
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmbNZVeX-pp0q--Pg0EtC2npRO2Eih-iwoCAuW8JUb5Rxg@mail.gmail.com>

How many here have started leveraging Power BI for reporting?


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/power-bi/desktop-access-database-errors

From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 20:42:25 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:42:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Power BI
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbNZVeX-pp0q--Pg0EtC2npRO2Eih-iwoCAuW8JUb5Rxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmbNZVeX-pp0q--Pg0EtC2npRO2Eih-iwoCAuW8JUb5Rxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJotLLSSt8H5Ob-UhDcQjRab9T9gL-2uoNmGGS5EWQJUw@mail.gmail.com>

We hare rolled it out for some of our users
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:01 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How many here have started leveraging Power BI for reporting?
>
>
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/power-bi/desktop-access-database-errors
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 22:05:20 2018
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:05:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Power BI
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJotLLSSt8H5Ob-UhDcQjRab9T9gL-2uoNmGGS5EWQJUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmbNZVeX-pp0q--Pg0EtC2npRO2Eih-iwoCAuW8JUb5Rxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJotLLSSt8H5Ob-UhDcQjRab9T9gL-2uoNmGGS5EWQJUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmbinJTV8e7-qP1yzyzw23N4pUh_vwYvyGWFa7CvN2FRHw@mail.gmail.com>

How are you liking it? do you use any other datasources as well? I have
some zendesk links and am currently working on DAX code for calculated
tables :)

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:43 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> We hare rolled it out for some of our users
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:01 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How many here have started leveraging Power BI for reporting?
> >
> >
> > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/power-bi/desktop-access-database-errors
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 08:54:48 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:54:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Power BI
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbinJTV8e7-qP1yzyzw23N4pUh_vwYvyGWFa7CvN2FRHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmbNZVeX-pp0q--Pg0EtC2npRO2Eih-iwoCAuW8JUb5Rxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJotLLSSt8H5Ob-UhDcQjRab9T9gL-2uoNmGGS5EWQJUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbinJTV8e7-qP1yzyzw23N4pUh_vwYvyGWFa7CvN2FRHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLYzELcO_TYhYfQNYJHiryS149Wb6eAN_yV=9ZXAR810A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm only casually involved with it.  I personally have better tools
for getting the answers I need or people are asking me for.  Like
Access and Excel. ;-)

It's a real good presentation tool and it's got a lot of eye candy for
sure.  We have given our users some nice dashboards that they can
drill into.

We are making datasets by bringing in data from our Oracle data
warehouse tables and from SQL Server Databases.  Probably some Excel
files too.  Some of it is getting put into Azure databases in the
cloud.  I mostly only hear about what is going on in our team status
meetings.  I know they ran into issues with space and licensing and
things of that nature.

The idea here was to try and put the data into the hands of our power
user types to try and reduce the amount of adhoc queries and analysis
that our Business Intelligence group is asked to do.  We still are
using Business Objects for most of our actual reports but it's pretty
clunky for making dashboards and really for making reports for anyone
who doesn't do it often.  Power BI has a nice filtering system that
users seem to be able to work with after only a small amount of
handholding.

GK
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:06 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How are you liking it? do you use any other datasources as well? I have
> some zendesk links and am currently working on DAX code for calculated
> tables :)
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:43 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We hare rolled it out for some of our users
> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:01 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > How many here have started leveraging Power BI for reporting?
> > >
> > >
> > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/power-bi/desktop-access-database-errors
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gary Kjos
> > garykjos at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 18:34:13 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:34:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>

It's not going to pretty for people like me. I still get hate mail over the ribbon, as if somehow it's my fault. ? 

I got a really nasty email from a guy last week who mentioned that my instructions say to use the xxxx menu, but there IS NO xxxx menu. The subject text was "Your article sucks." 

I responded with a simple message -- if there's no menu than you're using a ribbon version. The article you're referring to is very old. 

I wanted to get snarky about not recognizing the difference and work the word sucks in there, but I behaved myself -- you know... your powers of observation suck. That article is over six years old! 

What do you say to people like that? 

Susan H. 


>From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar". 
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface

As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 21 18:54:13 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 16:54:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
In-Reply-To: <07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01d409bb$28735b50$795a11f0$@bchacc.com>

Nothing.  You went more than half way just by responding civilly.  If he was to meet you face to face he would never tell you that your article sucks.  It's the anonymity of the internet that gives people the opportunity to be assholes.  

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 4:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface

It's not going to pretty for people like me. I still get hate mail over the ribbon, as if somehow it's my fault. ? 

I got a really nasty email from a guy last week who mentioned that my instructions say to use the xxxx menu, but there IS NO xxxx menu. The subject text was "Your article sucks." 

I responded with a simple message -- if there's no menu than you're using a ribbon version. The article you're referring to is very old. 

I wanted to get snarky about not recognizing the difference and work the word sucks in there, but I behaved myself -- you know... your powers of observation suck. That article is over six years old! 

What do you say to people like that? 

Susan H. 


>From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar". 
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface

As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 19:09:06 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 20:09:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
In-Reply-To: <002a01d409bb$28735b50$795a11f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>
	<002a01d409bb$28735b50$795a11f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <07c201d409bd$3cb1a110$b614e330$@gmail.com>

Well, I've said it many times -- I don't run into it often. Most people contacting me are nice; they need my help or they're saying thanks. I don't get too much nonsense. 

Susan H. 



Nothing.  You went more than half way just by responding civilly.  If he was to meet you face to face he would never tell you that your article sucks.  It's the anonymity of the internet that gives people the opportunity to be assholes.  

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 4:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface

It's not going to pretty for people like me. I still get hate mail over the ribbon, as if somehow it's my fault. ? 

I got a really nasty email from a guy last week who mentioned that my instructions say to use the xxxx menu, but there IS NO xxxx menu. The subject text was "Your article sucks." 

I responded with a simple message -- if there's no menu than you're using a ribbon version. The article you're referring to is very old. 

I wanted to get snarky about not recognizing the difference and work the word sucks in there, but I behaved myself -- you know... your powers of observation suck. That article is over six years old! 

What do you say to people like that? 

Susan H. 


>From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar". 
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface

As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 22 03:36:01 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:36:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Quantum computing for everyone
Message-ID: <AM5PR10MB1827AA7A9A243D51C83A1506CA750@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

Like me, you may have missed a brief, though solid, introduction to this. I found it today:

Quantum Computing for Everyone - Part I: Classical vs. Quantum Computing<https://www.codeproject.com/Article.aspx?tag=198374995854886794&_z=3276586>

Of course, it still takes a little to grasp, but this author explains it in a way that is very clear.
Mandatory reading for the weekend - can't wait.

/gustav

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Jun 22 14:19:52 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:19:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
In-Reply-To: <002a01d409bb$28735b50$795a11f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>
	<002a01d409bb$28735b50$795a11f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR11MB2692251ADF60EFA5024213DBD8750@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

And the world is full of them...

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:54 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface

Nothing.  You went more than half way just by responding civilly.  If he was to meet you face to face he would never tell you that your article sucks.  It's the anonymity of the internet that gives people the opportunity to be assholes.  

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 4:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface

It's not going to pretty for people like me. I still get hate mail over the ribbon, as if somehow it's my fault. ? 

I got a really nasty email from a guy last week who mentioned that my instructions say to use the xxxx menu, but there IS NO xxxx menu. The subject text was "Your article sucks." 

I responded with a simple message -- if there's no menu than you're using a ribbon version. The article you're referring to is very old. 

I wanted to get snarky about not recognizing the difference and work the word sucks in there, but I behaved myself -- you know... your powers of observation suck. That article is over six years old! 

What do you say to people like that? 

Susan H. 


>From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar". 
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface

As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Jun 22 14:19:52 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:19:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
In-Reply-To: <07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR11MB26929FA376CE5D9667BE11BBD8750@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

"Learn how to use your software - or at least identify which software you have! ;-)

If they read an old auto manual that said to "push in the clutch", what would they do?


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface

It's not going to pretty for people like me. I still get hate mail over the ribbon, as if somehow it's my fault. ? 

I got a really nasty email from a guy last week who mentioned that my instructions say to use the xxxx menu, but there IS NO xxxx menu. The subject text was "Your article sucks." 

I responded with a simple message -- if there's no menu than you're using a ribbon version. The article you're referring to is very old. 

I wanted to get snarky about not recognizing the difference and work the word sucks in there, but I behaved myself -- you know... your powers of observation suck. That article is over six years old! 

What do you say to people like that? 

Susan H. 


>From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar". 
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface

As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Jun 22 14:21:45 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:21:45 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR11MB26929FA376CE5D9667BE11BBD8750@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26921F4CCB40FBF60B82F38ED8770@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<07aa01d409b8$5d6b1bc0$18415340$@gmail.com>,
	<BN7PR11MB26929FA376CE5D9667BE11BBD8750@BN7PR11MB2692.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B0A8F4@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Be ok here. They all gave a clutch!!!

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: John Bartow<mailto:jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sent: ?22/?06/?2018 20:20
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface

"Learn how to use your software - or at least identify which software you have! ;-)

If they read an old auto manual that said to "push in the clutch", what would they do?


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is Redesigning the Office User Interface

It's not going to pretty for people like me. I still get hate mail over the ribbon, as if somehow it's my fault. ?

I got a really nasty email from a guy last week who mentioned that my instructions say to use the xxxx menu, but there IS NO xxxx menu. The subject text was "Your article sucks."

I responded with a simple message -- if there's no menu than you're using a ribbon version. The article you're referring to is very old.

I wanted to get snarky about not recognizing the difference and work the word sucks in there, but I behaved myself -- you know... your powers of observation suck. That article is over six years old!

What do you say to people like that?

Susan H.


From the "Toolbar" to the "Ribbon" to the "Tabbed Toolbar".
https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/office-365/161295/microsoft-redesigning-office-user-interface

As long as they keep the same shortcut keys I guess I don't' care anymore.


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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 25 08:57:36 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:57:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?blockchain=3A_technological_d=C3=A9j=C3=A0_v?=
 =?utf-8?q?u?=
Message-ID: <7de2779b-4780-e761-b123-7bca70ed5526@earthlink.net>

... technological d?j? vu arises when events in technology markets 
generate an eerie sense of watching the same movie again and again. The 
paradox of technological d?j? vu highlights a resulting inconsistency: 
Despite resemblance with prior events, no participant in a technology 
has much prescience at all...

https://digitopoly.org/2018/06/21/the-paradox-of-technological-deja-vu/


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 10:31:50 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:31:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ivvsUpsPcBretMXARazfmc-Kh=Obgi=Wz2b5+KW5-GiA@mail.gmail.com>

1. What is DDR4? I only just learned this morning that there was such a
thing.
2. How does one determine what USB level is in a laptop? (Belarc Advisor
doesn't seem to report this.)
3. My HP Ultrabook has a 128GB SSD installed. Is there room in there for
either an additional SSD or alternatively a 1 TB hard disk?

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun 25 10:44:50 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:44:50 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions
Message-ID: <AM5PR10MB18270B8813EC912F2E399D0ECA4A0@AM5PR10MB1827.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Arthur

1. The RAM type. But look up at, say, Kingston, what modules will fit  using your model no.

2. In an UltraBook it should be 3.1. Those are blue, 2.0 and 1.n are black.

3. Hardly. All space is usually allocated in UltraBooks. Use an external disk.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 25. juni 2018 17:32
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions

1. What is DDR4? I only just learned this morning that there was such a thing.
2. How does one determine what USB level is in a laptop? (Belarc Advisor doesn't seem to report this.) 3. My HP Ultrabook has a 128GB SSD installed. Is there room in there for either an additional SSD or alternatively a 1 TB hard disk?

--
Arthur 


From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 10:45:31 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:45:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ivvsUpsPcBretMXARazfmc-Kh=Obgi=Wz2b5+KW5-GiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ivvsUpsPcBretMXARazfmc-Kh=Obgi=Wz2b5+KW5-GiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+nKz+5YLAkoc=VxAQ0GOKy4sGwpqqctQ8KpDKt0UEeOQ@mail.gmail.com>

1) DDR4 is a type of Random Access Memory.  It indicates the
configuration of the memory boards and speeds ext. for the Memory
Modules in a computer..
2) Unless your system is very new it is likely USB 2
https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000602.htm
3) You could go to the HP website and search for the specific model
number of your Ultrabook and see if there is room for a second hard
drive.
Or you could open up the case and have a look.  I would GUESS there is
not room for more than one hard drive.  You certainly could replace
the 128GB drive with a larger one as prices have come down.  Adding a
second hard drive or SSD drive will effect your battery run time.

GK
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:32 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 1. What is DDR4? I only just learned this morning that there was such a
> thing.
> 2. How does one determine what USB level is in a laptop? (Belarc Advisor
> doesn't seem to report this.)
> 3. My HP Ultrabook has a 128GB SSD installed. Is there room in there for
> either an additional SSD or alternatively a 1 TB hard disk?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 12:52:14 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:52:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+nKz+5YLAkoc=VxAQ0GOKy4sGwpqqctQ8KpDKt0UEeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ivvsUpsPcBretMXARazfmc-Kh=Obgi=Wz2b5+KW5-GiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+nKz+5YLAkoc=VxAQ0GOKy4sGwpqqctQ8KpDKt0UEeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jVrRMvQ5VDiP5UXrvqeyVhE07oeOpu-0XrX1Wf7dC3Kg@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

I guess I should have been more specific. Does DDR4 RAM demand a special
motherboard, or will it work on a board that supports DDR 3? Also, what's
the difference between DDR3 and DDR3L?

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:46 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> 1) DDR4 is a type of Random Access Memory.  It indicates the
> configuration of the memory boards and speeds ext. for the Memory
> Modules in a computer..
> 2) Unless your system is very new it is likely USB 2
> https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000602.htm
> 3) You could go to the HP website and search for the specific model
> number of your Ultrabook and see if there is room for a second hard
> drive.
> Or you could open up the case and have a look.  I would GUESS there is
> not room for more than one hard drive.  You certainly could replace
> the 128GB drive with a larger one as prices have come down.  Adding a
> second hard drive or SSD drive will effect your battery run time.
>
> GK
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:32 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 1. What is DDR4? I only just learned this morning that there was such a
> > thing.
> > 2. How does one determine what USB level is in a laptop? (Belarc Advisor
> > doesn't seem to report this.)
> > 3. My HP Ultrabook has a 128GB SSD installed. Is there room in there for
> > either an additional SSD or alternatively a 1 TB hard disk?
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
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>


-- 
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 12:58:59 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:58:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jVrRMvQ5VDiP5UXrvqeyVhE07oeOpu-0XrX1Wf7dC3Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ivvsUpsPcBretMXARazfmc-Kh=Obgi=Wz2b5+KW5-GiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+nKz+5YLAkoc=VxAQ0GOKy4sGwpqqctQ8KpDKt0UEeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jVrRMvQ5VDiP5UXrvqeyVhE07oeOpu-0XrX1Wf7dC3Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+SYgPyi2TOmCsWjV+bzOyaEZqnuNEx_y3T+fzeM3S8+g@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know you can't interchange formats of RAM I suppose there
could be exceptions someplace though.

Motherboards are configured for a specific type and that is what you
must use on that motherboard

https://www.howtogeek.com/238990/whats-the-difference-between-ddr3-and-ddr4-ram/

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ddr3-and-vs-ddr3l/

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:53 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
> I guess I should have been more specific. Does DDR4 RAM demand a special
> motherboard, or will it work on a board that supports DDR 3? Also, what's
> the difference between DDR3 and DDR3L?
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:46 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 1) DDR4 is a type of Random Access Memory.  It indicates the
> > configuration of the memory boards and speeds ext. for the Memory
> > Modules in a computer..
> > 2) Unless your system is very new it is likely USB 2
> > https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000602.htm
> > 3) You could go to the HP website and search for the specific model
> > number of your Ultrabook and see if there is room for a second hard
> > drive.
> > Or you could open up the case and have a look.  I would GUESS there is
> > not room for more than one hard drive.  You certainly could replace
> > the 128GB drive with a larger one as prices have come down.  Adding a
> > second hard drive or SSD drive will effect your battery run time.
> >
> > GK
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:32 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 1. What is DDR4? I only just learned this morning that there was such a
> > > thing.
> > > 2. How does one determine what USB level is in a laptop? (Belarc Advisor
> > > doesn't seem to report this.)
> > > 3. My HP Ultrabook has a 128GB SSD installed. Is there room in there for
> > > either an additional SSD or alternatively a 1 TB hard disk?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Jun 25 13:26:17 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:26:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+SYgPyi2TOmCsWjV+bzOyaEZqnuNEx_y3T+fzeM3S8+g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAJ2R_p+nKz+5YLAkoc=VxAQ0GOKy4sGwpqqctQ8KpDKt0UEeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Reading up a little more it seems as the difference between DDR3,
DDR3L and DDR4 is mostly about voltages.  I would think that you are
always best sticking to what your motherboard manufacturer specifies
is the type to use.

GK
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:58 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As far as I know you can't interchange formats of RAM I suppose there
> could be exceptions someplace though.
>
> Motherboards are configured for a specific type and that is what you
> must use on that motherboard
>
> https://www.howtogeek.com/238990/whats-the-difference-between-ddr3-and-ddr4-ram/
>
> https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ddr3-and-vs-ddr3l/
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:53 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > I guess I should have been more specific. Does DDR4 RAM demand a special
> > motherboard, or will it work on a board that supports DDR 3? Also, what's
> > the difference between DDR3 and DDR3L?
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:46 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 1) DDR4 is a type of Random Access Memory.  It indicates the
> > > configuration of the memory boards and speeds ext. for the Memory
> > > Modules in a computer..
> > > 2) Unless your system is very new it is likely USB 2
> > > https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000602.htm
> > > 3) You could go to the HP website and search for the specific model
> > > number of your Ultrabook and see if there is room for a second hard
> > > drive.
> > > Or you could open up the case and have a look.  I would GUESS there is
> > > not room for more than one hard drive.  You certainly could replace
> > > the 128GB drive with a larger one as prices have come down.  Adding a
> > > second hard drive or SSD drive will effect your battery run time.
> > >
> > > GK
> > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:32 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 1. What is DDR4? I only just learned this morning that there was such a
> > > > thing.
> > > > 2. How does one determine what USB level is in a laptop? (Belarc Advisor
> > > > doesn't seem to report this.)
> > > > 3. My HP Ultrabook has a 128GB SSD installed. Is there room in there for
> > > > either an additional SSD or alternatively a 1 TB hard disk?
> > > >
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 07:32:13 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 08:32:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jVrRMvQ5VDiP5UXrvqeyVhE07oeOpu-0XrX1Wf7dC3Kg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAJ2R_p+nKz+5YLAkoc=VxAQ0GOKy4sGwpqqctQ8KpDKt0UEeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Apparently the actual socket itself is different so it is definitely a 
no go in any event just "swapping them out"

https://www.quora.com/Can-you-use-a-DDR4-RAM-in-a-DDR3-RAM-slot


On 6/25/2018 1:52 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I guess I should have been more specific. Does DDR4 RAM demand a special
> motherboard, or will it work on a board that supports DDR 3? Also, what's
> the difference between DDR3 and DDR3L?

-- 
John W. Colby


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 09:26:17 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:26:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Procedure error in DLL
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jjD+-tMKCjmDAZmNKxLpSf5+u_6a_g2FYN-14TTFyKEw@mail.gmail.com>

For some reason, I am repeated getting the following error:

The procedure entry point installed could not be located in the dynamic
link library MSVCR120_CLR0400.dll.

Any idea why? Any suggested fix?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 28 13:49:41 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 12:49:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] New transfer protocol called Mosh
In-Reply-To: <1558131674.184914813.1528735712494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <258423436.16479867.1530211781040.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

There are a number of transfer protocols each with their own capabilities. When I use Windows, I tend to use RDP (Remmina for Linux to Windows) but though it is great for viewing the screen and controlling a remote server there are few remote file management and security features built in. Now that Linux is accessible within Windows, I have started using SSH to do all my file management, within an end-to-end encrypted pipe and using batch "BASH" scripts for full automation. Below is a full over-view of the current major remote systems:

https://poshsecurity.com/blog/2015/6/22/why-remoting-vs-ssh-vs-rdp-shouldnt-be-a-thing
http://bit.ly/2Kf0kuF

I have recently started to replace all my remote RDP type connection with the package X2Go. It provides all the graphical feature I would expect from RDP 6.x but has a few built-in file management features. It is equally as fast, uses SSH encryption, under the hood and uses an OS version of NX called NeatX. X2Go, as of late, runs without issues on all Windows desktops and servers. Having to only need one application for all my GUI needs with most basic file management features, has been great. :-) It has taken a while to find just the right remote product; check out the following list of "remote" application...a staggering array (I think most are of poor performance and expensive.):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software

The big news is that a new modern protocol called Mosh has just been introduced. It gives all the file management and security of SSH but also applies the ability of handling unstable and roaming connections...great for mobile connections. Supposedly, there are plans to embed this new tech in core Linux version 5.0 and will run on virtually every operating system, like Windows (...and will be a Windows standard protocol as well). Check out the following description and video:

https://mosh.org/#techinfo  and https://mosh.org/

...and... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=701&v=XsIxNYl0oyU

I have been doing some testing and even in beta it is working very well. We had a group of relatives over, were traveling all around the country side and could continuously off-load dozens (hundreds?) of pictures, to my servers at home. It was nice to be able to have a continuous connection while wandering around...with my cell phone. (tablet and laptop).

Jim


 
  

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jun 28 17:46:03 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:46:03 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Procedure error in DLL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jjD+-tMKCjmDAZmNKxLpSf5+u_6a_g2FYN-14TTFyKEw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5B35652B.27779.409D4D38@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Have you recently upgraded to Microsoft .Net Framework 4.7 ?


On 28 Jun 2018 at 10:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> For some reason, I am repeated getting the following error:
> 
> The procedure entry point installed could not be located in the
> dynamic link library MSVCR120_CLR0400.dll.
> 
> Any idea why? Any suggested fix?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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