From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  1 10:40:57 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:40:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New span approach
Message-ID: <011d01d4599d$2612f0a0$7238d1e0$@bchacc.com>

I'm getting spam emails with these odd address - not mine - but they show up
in my mail.  Today from Christian Health Care it had To:
36113nli8185236i3h8 at f957i5z.categri.pw

 

.pw seems to be a common country code. But the rest of the domain is always
different.  And the user name is always a string of characters like you see
here.

 

Does Outlook have a way to block say all emails with a .pw at the end?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Oct  1 13:38:07 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:38:07 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] New span approach
In-Reply-To: <011d01d4599d$2612f0a0$7238d1e0$@bchacc.com>
References: <011d01d4599d$2612f0a0$7238d1e0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB220198121F1653C510B89733D8EF0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

You can set rules on your server to filter any country of origin mail to be automatically deleted. If you don't have access to it then you can ask your provider to do it for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 10:41 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] New span approach

I'm getting spam emails with these odd address - not mine - but they show up in my mail.  Today from Christian Health Care it had To:
36113nli8185236i3h8 at f957i5z.categri.pw

 

.pw seems to be a common country code. But the rest of the domain is always different.  And the user name is always a string of characters like you see here.

 

Does Outlook have a way to block say all emails with a .pw at the end?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  1 13:53:49 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 11:53:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New span approach
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB220198121F1653C510B89733D8EF0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <011d01d4599d$2612f0a0$7238d1e0$@bchacc.com>
	<DM5PR1101MB220198121F1653C510B89733D8EF0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <016c01d459b8$170ab820$45202860$@bchacc.com>

Got it. Tks.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John Bartow
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 11:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New span approach

You can set rules on your server to filter any country of origin mail to be
automatically deleted. If you don't have access to it then you can ask your
provider to do it for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 10:41 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic'
<dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] New span approach

I'm getting spam emails with these odd address - not mine - but they show up
in my mail.  Today from Christian Health Care it had To:
36113nli8185236i3h8 at f957i5z.categri.pw

 

.pw seems to be a common country code. But the rest of the domain is always
different.  And the user name is always a string of characters like you see
here.

 

Does Outlook have a way to block say all emails with a .pw at the end?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 09:34:31 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 14:34:31 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>

I just checked my local hardware dealer's website, and he is offering 480GB
SSDs for $109 CDN. I then checked to see what a 1TB SDD costs, and suddenly
the price shoots seriously skyward, from over $500 to over $1000, depending
on the brand.

Now the question becomes, can I fit two 480s into my HP ProBook 6470b? If
not, there is an alternative. I found a USB 3.0 external 1TB SSD for
substantially less, but somehow it seems self-defeating to combine SSD with
USB.

Opinions?

-- 
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 13:29:44 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 13:29:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>

Amazon.com has 1TB SSD drives from Samsung, WD, Seagate, Crucial,
Sandisk and Mushkin for between $149 and $169 USD.

500 GB drives are about $85 USD.

I have SSD drives on my two main desktops, a 250GB on this one and a
500GB on the other one in my office but I also have spinning disks on
each machine as well - a 1TB drive I believe on this one and a 5TB on
the other one.  Just data on the spinning disks, music on this one and
mostly photos and video on the 5TB in the office.

My notebook computer has a 500 GB SSD.

The main performance benefit in my opinion is on the boot drive and
loading software.  Accessing Data is less speed intensive.  I do have
some document files on each of the SSD drives of course.

GK

GK
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 9:35 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just checked my local hardware dealer's website, and he is offering 480GB
> SSDs for $109 CDN. I then checked to see what a 1TB SDD costs, and suddenly
> the price shoots seriously skyward, from over $500 to over $1000, depending
> on the brand.
>
> Now the question becomes, can I fit two 480s into my HP ProBook 6470b? If
> not, there is an alternative. I found a USB 3.0 external 1TB SSD for
> substantially less, but somehow it seems self-defeating to combine SSD with
> USB.
>
> Opinions?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 15:39:28 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:39:28 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>

That Amazon price is hard to beat. I think at the end of the month, I will
spring for one.
One more question: how does one clone the existing SSD to the new one?
There's a local guy who will do it for $50 but it can't be too difficult,
even for this aging brain.

A.

From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 15:52:50 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 15:52:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pL8yk_j17G_7eDW7f6jsZF-7eK65S-AVBRPAcfiDXmh7Q@mail.gmail.com>

$50 isn't a bad price for that.  You need to both drives mounted
somewhere.  SO you will need an open drive slot OR you would use an
external drive bay of some kind to attach  the drive to the computer
and then you would use software - the drive company would likely
provide the software to do the copy.  But you need to have both the
old and the new dirves in the same system somehow to do it.  And it
will take some time.  Half hour or an hour maybe.  It's certainly
doable on your own though.  I've not switched SSD to SSD but have
switched Rotating to rotating and rotating to SSD a few times and it's
not really hard.  Have to jump through some hoops most of us are not
used to.  Creating disk partitions and such.  Good to have a second
system available to investigate options as you go if you run into a
question but the system should be usuable until you switch the cables
after the new drive is deemed ready to use.
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 3:40 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That Amazon price is hard to beat. I think at the end of the month, I will
> spring for one.
> One more question: how does one clone the existing SSD to the new one?
> There's a local guy who will do it for $50 but it can't be too difficult,
> even for this aging brain.
>
> A.
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 16:25:16 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 21:25:16 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pL8yk_j17G_7eDW7f6jsZF-7eK65S-AVBRPAcfiDXmh7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pL8yk_j17G_7eDW7f6jsZF-7eK65S-AVBRPAcfiDXmh7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gxf=WtFJEjYsCDM-A4powjk43-_KaMOdaa7rhLPheLGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

Sound advice. Thanks.

A.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:53 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> $50 isn't a bad price for that.  You need to both drives mounted
> somewhere.  SO you will need an open drive slot OR you would use an
> external drive bay of some kind to attach  the drive to the computer
> and then you would use software - the drive company would likely
> provide the software to do the copy.  But you need to have both the
> old and the new dirves in the same system somehow to do it.  And it
> will take some time.  Half hour or an hour maybe.  It's certainly
> doable on your own though.  I've not switched SSD to SSD but have
> switched Rotating to rotating and rotating to SSD a few times and it's
> not really hard.  Have to jump through some hoops most of us are not
> used to.  Creating disk partitions and such.  Good to have a second
> system available to investigate options as you go if you run into a
> question but the system should be usable until you switch the cables
> after the new drive is deemed ready to use.

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 05:46:49 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:46:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gxf=WtFJEjYsCDM-A4powjk43-_KaMOdaa7rhLPheLGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pL8yk_j17G_7eDW7f6jsZF-7eK65S-AVBRPAcfiDXmh7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gxf=WtFJEjYsCDM-A4powjk43-_KaMOdaa7rhLPheLGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7766a1f9-35b1-a04d-5972-bf230a715eca@Gmail.com>

You can clone the drive by mounting it via usb and running software.? 
SSDs tend to be low enough power to run via usb


On 10/7/2018 5:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Sound advice. Thanks.
>
> A.
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:53 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> $50 isn't a bad price for that.  You need to both drives mounted
>> somewhere.  SO you will need an open drive slot OR you would use an
>> external drive bay of some kind to attach  the drive to the computer
>> and then you would use software - the drive company would likely
>> provide the software to do the copy.  But you need to have both the
>> old and the new dirves in the same system somehow to do it.  And it
>> will take some time.  Half hour or an hour maybe.  It's certainly
>> doable on your own though.  I've not switched SSD to SSD but have
>> switched Rotating to rotating and rotating to SSD a few times and it's
>> not really hard.  Have to jump through some hoops most of us are not
>> used to.  Creating disk partitions and such.  Good to have a second
>> system available to investigate options as you go if you run into a
>> question but the system should be usable until you switch the cables
>> after the new drive is deemed ready to use.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 11 11:37:08 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:37:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <7766a1f9-35b1-a04d-5972-bf230a715eca@Gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pL8yk_j17G_7eDW7f6jsZF-7eK65S-AVBRPAcfiDXmh7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gxf=WtFJEjYsCDM-A4powjk43-_KaMOdaa7rhLPheLGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7766a1f9-35b1-a04d-5972-bf230a715eca@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB220139202A25AA896B5DC4C4D8E10@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

You can, and some SSDs come with software and an accessory kit to do just that. If you only have a laptop, without an external connector, you are of course restricted to the USB method.

But it's recommended by some manufacturers (and much faster BTW) to mount the drive with the same type of channel as the boot drive. IOW, in almost every case, connect via a secondary SATA cable. The added benefit is that you clone the drive, turn off the machine, pull the SATA from the original and start the machine for a live test. Eezy, peezy.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 5:47 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing

You can clone the drive by mounting it via usb and running software. SSDs tend to be low enough power to run via usb


On 10/7/2018 5:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Sound advice. Thanks.
>
> A.
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:53 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> $50 isn't a bad price for that.  You need to both drives mounted 
>> somewhere.  SO you will need an open drive slot OR you would use an 
>> external drive bay of some kind to attach  the drive to the computer 
>> and then you would use software - the drive company would likely 
>> provide the software to do the copy.  But you need to have both the 
>> old and the new dirves in the same system somehow to do it.  And it 
>> will take some time.  Half hour or an hour maybe.  It's certainly 
>> doable on your own though.  I've not switched SSD to SSD but have 
>> switched Rotating to rotating and rotating to SSD a few times and 
>> it's not really hard.  Have to jump through some hoops most of us are 
>> not used to.  Creating disk partitions and such.  Good to have a 
>> second system available to investigate options as you go if you run 
>> into a question but the system should be usable until you switch the 
>> cables after the new drive is deemed ready to use.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

--
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 14:18:49 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:18:49 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <7766a1f9-35b1-a04d-5972-bf230a715eca@Gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pL8yk_j17G_7eDW7f6jsZF-7eK65S-AVBRPAcfiDXmh7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gxf=WtFJEjYsCDM-A4powjk43-_KaMOdaa7rhLPheLGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7766a1f9-35b1-a04d-5972-bf230a715eca@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h+T-NUprrVnab8ZoMf9jK1y0QB=TLszPaQv4YcSTALOA@mail.gmail.com>

Since you raised the topic, how does a USB 3.0 SSD compare with a similar
device installed on the motherboard? Without evidence, I'm guessing that a
USB-SSD would be substantially slower than an on-board SSD; but as
mentioned, I have no evidence for that, one way or the other. You, on the
other hand, seem to know all about this stuff, so I am requesting your
expert advice.

A.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:46 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can clone the drive by mounting it via usb and running software.
> SSDs tend to be low enough power to run via usb
>
>
> On 10/7/2018 5:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > Gary,
> >
> > Sound advice. Thanks.
> >
> > A.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:53 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> $50 isn't a bad price for that.  You need to both drives mounted
> >> somewhere.  SO you will need an open drive slot OR you would use an
> >> external drive bay of some kind to attach  the drive to the computer
> >> and then you would use software - the drive company would likely
> >> provide the software to do the copy.  But you need to have both the
> >> old and the new dirves in the same system somehow to do it.  And it
> >> will take some time.  Half hour or an hour maybe.  It's certainly
> >> doable on your own though.  I've not switched SSD to SSD but have
> >> switched Rotating to rotating and rotating to SSD a few times and it's
> >> not really hard.  Have to jump through some hoops most of us are not
> >> used to.  Creating disk partitions and such.  Good to have a second
> >> system available to investigate options as you go if you run into a
> >> question but the system should be usable until you switch the cables
> >> after the new drive is deemed ready to use.
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>

-- 
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 14:33:46 2018
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:33:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] SSD Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h+T-NUprrVnab8ZoMf9jK1y0QB=TLszPaQv4YcSTALOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gC06Z-Gc4J32KnQ=zY84zkr7tJCY9na8aa_YZrFQG2-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pKn7D1AX7oRbOmcDhJbGZYpPxww1GmegHow0NH64fENiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gRocBiZ1FAObQCz6u+AhFP95bUP9uTCj7uPfOL+aEe=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pL8yk_j17G_7eDW7f6jsZF-7eK65S-AVBRPAcfiDXmh7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gxf=WtFJEjYsCDM-A4powjk43-_KaMOdaa7rhLPheLGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7766a1f9-35b1-a04d-5972-bf230a715eca@Gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1h+T-NUprrVnab8ZoMf9jK1y0QB=TLszPaQv4YcSTALOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+UBs-KRGAOmxe=JAbPCFTH+aJyy6R0dTLPhcoTP4QFjg@mail.gmail.com>

It is my understanding the USB 3 can do approx 500MB per second.  SATA
3 can do approx 600 MB per second.  USB is only half duplex though and
so loses some time with ack replies

Read the last comment in this thread which has the math......

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/798860-is-this-scary-sata3-vs-usb-30/
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:19 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since you raised the topic, how does a USB 3.0 SSD compare with a similar
> device installed on the motherboard? Without evidence, I'm guessing that a
> USB-SSD would be substantially slower than an on-board SSD; but as
> mentioned, I have no evidence for that, one way or the other. You, on the
> other hand, seem to know all about this stuff, so I am requesting your
> expert advice.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:46 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You can clone the drive by mounting it via usb and running software.
> > SSDs tend to be low enough power to run via usb
> >
> >
> > On 10/7/2018 5:25 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > > Gary,
> > >
> > > Sound advice. Thanks.
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:53 PM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> $50 isn't a bad price for that.  You need to both drives mounted
> > >> somewhere.  SO you will need an open drive slot OR you would use an
> > >> external drive bay of some kind to attach  the drive to the computer
> > >> and then you would use software - the drive company would likely
> > >> provide the software to do the copy.  But you need to have both the
> > >> old and the new dirves in the same system somehow to do it.  And it
> > >> will take some time.  Half hour or an hour maybe.  It's certainly
> > >> doable on your own though.  I've not switched SSD to SSD but have
> > >> switched Rotating to rotating and rotating to SSD a few times and it's
> > >> not really hard.  Have to jump through some hoops most of us are not
> > >> used to.  Creating disk partitions and such.  Good to have a second
> > >> system available to investigate options as you go if you run into a
> > >> question but the system should be usable until you switch the cables
> > >> after the new drive is deemed ready to use.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > --
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 07:32:56 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:32:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Problem
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>

Something has happened to Google Chrome. Now it insists on staying topmost
in my stack of windows. I used to be able to open, say, Word, which would
open on top. Now it opens in the background, leaving Chrome on top, and the
only way I can switch to Word is to minimize Chrome. I just checked and MS
Edge does not exhibit this behavior. So for now, at least, I'm switching to
Edge.

Any ideas on why this happened?

-- 
Arthur

From eptept at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 08:25:08 2018
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:25:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUB8Nz4uGWr+Jx-Oze1yhV3-mTH5viL28iUA0aC8FLP=w@mail.gmail.com>

With Chrome on top try CTRL-space and see if it goes away.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:33 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Something has happened to Google Chrome. Now it insists on staying topmost
> in my stack of windows. I used to be able to open, say, Word, which would
> open on top. Now it opens in the background, leaving Chrome on top, and the
> only way I can switch to Word is to minimize Chrome. I just checked and MS
> Edge does not exhibit this behavior. So for now, at least, I'm switching to
> Edge.
>
> Any ideas on why this happened?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 15 08:46:56 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:46:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] usb bluray drives
Message-ID: <fbacde86-868d-52ea-b2fa-138bd18e0d39@earthlink.net>

For electronics, Amazon product reviews seem to run 15-35% negative. USB 
BluRay drives seem to run about 50% negative. Mostly I want one for 
ripping operas onto the server. Anybody have a recommendation, or mebbe 
just a good experience?

PB

From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Mon Oct 15 13:48:30 2018
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:48:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 06:51:21 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:51:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b67e62fd-65ab-1b09-6aa3-0871dca31a44@Gmail.com>

Edge pulling a fast one to get you to switch to Edge?


On 10/15/2018 8:32 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Something has happened to Google Chrome. Now it insists on staying topmost
> in my stack of windows. I used to be able to open, say, Word, which would
> open on top. Now it opens in the background, leaving Chrome on top, and the
> only way I can switch to Word is to minimize Chrome. I just checked and MS
> Edge does not exhibit this behavior. So for now, at least, I'm switching to
> Edge.
>
> Any ideas on why this happened?
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 16 11:36:50 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 11:36:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ccf44475-a6c2-1122-9202-7f2f167318ae@earthlink.net>

Bryan,

Re "Database Advisors", I'm interested only in dba-tech, is there a way 
to help foot the bill of just this list?

PB

-----

On 10/15/2018 13:48, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 16 11:46:40 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:46:40 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <ccf44475-a6c2-1122-9202-7f2f167318ae@earthlink.net>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccf44475-a6c2-1122-9202-7f2f167318ae@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB220138AF2F1387F1F9B1609ED8FE0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,
Bryan is probably occupied with disaster relief again today so I throw it out here:
It's all funded with the same pot of gold. We basically can have as many lists as we want with the way its set up. We've added a couple over the years that were requested and removed a few that weren't being used (see, no one noticed ;-)

So, I'd say the only way to fund a portion is by donating the amount that you feel dba-tech is worth to you.

-John B, DBA xprez and Bryan's-right foot man (fill-in-tech)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:37 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Bryan,

Re "Database Advisors", I'm interested only in dba-tech, is there a way to help foot the bill of just this list?

PB

-----

On 10/15/2018 13:48, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which 
> we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors 
> running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the 
> messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=S
> GVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some 
> real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 
> when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide 
> to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by 
> Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull 
> the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a 
> yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates 
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless 
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could 
> it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 
> 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in 
> Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the 
> OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us 
> have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that 
> circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the 
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still 
> pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much 
> we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we 
> can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each 
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more 
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 12:04:57 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 10:04:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <ccf44475-a6c2-1122-9202-7f2f167318ae@earthlink.net>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ccf44475-a6c2-1122-9202-7f2f167318ae@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009701d46572$5e2299b0$1a67cd10$@bchacc.com>

Peter :

We don't allocate the costs among the lists.  The hosting is for the site which covers all the lists. No objection to your paying a  rata share just for tech but we'll have to leave it to you to figure out what that is.

Best,

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 9:37 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Bryan,

Re "Database Advisors", I'm interested only in dba-tech, is there a way 
to help foot the bill of just this list?

PB

-----

On 10/15/2018 13:48, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 16 15:54:01 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:54:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Problem
In-Reply-To: <b67e62fd-65ab-1b09-6aa3-0871dca31a44@Gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67e62fd-65ab-1b09-6aa3-0871dca31a44@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542353093.79624492.1539723241879.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Which browser are you using? I have used (are using) the Vavildi and Brave browsers recently but I don't use Word anymore so I have no way to confirm or challenge your result. Of course, my prejudice would naturally confirm my belief that your issue is just another Microsoftism. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:51:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Problem

Edge pulling a fast one to get you to switch to Edge?


On 10/15/2018 8:32 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Something has happened to Google Chrome. Now it insists on staying topmost
> in my stack of windows. I used to be able to open, say, Word, which would
> open on top. Now it opens in the background, leaving Chrome on top, and the
> only way I can switch to Word is to minimize Chrome. I just checked and MS
> Edge does not exhibit this behavior. So for now, at least, I'm switching to
> Edge.
>
> Any ideas on why this happened?
>

-- 
John W. Colby

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 15:57:29 2018
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:57:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Problem
In-Reply-To: <542353093.79624492.1539723241879.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67e62fd-65ab-1b09-6aa3-0871dca31a44@Gmail.com>
	<542353093.79624492.1539723241879.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <F5676660-A60C-4E6C-8154-C3FF0914E5C4@gmail.com>

I don?t really use Google Chrome, but is there an option under settings to ?keep on top??

Thanks,
Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Which browser are you using? I have used (are using) the Vavildi and Brave browsers recently but I don't use Word anymore so I have no way to confirm or challenge your result. Of course, my prejudice would naturally confirm my belief that your issue is just another Microsoftism. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:51:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Problem
> 
> Edge pulling a fast one to get you to switch to Edge?
> 
> 
>> On 10/15/2018 8:32 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> Something has happened to Google Chrome. Now it insists on staying topmost
>> in my stack of windows. I used to be able to open, say, Word, which would
>> open on top. Now it opens in the background, leaving Chrome on top, and the
>> only way I can switch to Word is to minimize Chrome. I just checked and MS
>> Edge does not exhibit this behavior. So for now, at least, I'm switching to
>> Edge.
>> 
>> Any ideas on why this happened?
>> 
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 16 17:46:38 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:46:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cornered?
In-Reply-To: <b67e62fd-65ab-1b09-6aa3-0871dca31a44@Gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hM63uC7SAdB=RnKRWewJMCspzHSo6wjnL9wxtUfcwAKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67e62fd-65ab-1b09-6aa3-0871dca31a44@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1190430818.80177038.1539729998351.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I have been using the webserver Iginx and it is very fast...wow and it has load balancing built right in. 

I have used IIS and Apache in the pass but have wanted to up the game. It was also a good chance to host each site I am responsible for in their own Containers (easy restoration in the event of corruption, hardware failure or even a hack) and with their own IP addresses. It is all good...but then it is a good time to register the sites with LetsEncrypt (https://letsencrypt.org) as very soon all sites without a "https" header will be accompanied by a browser safety warning when accessed.   

This is where I am just not smart enough or able to research enough to solve this problem. Has anyone else meet and unraveled this challenge? 

I think the problem relates around registering LetsEncrypt, on the Iginx server, within a Container? This is not like certifying the hosted webserver on the hosting server or even automating the re-certification, every ninety day, that part is easy...it is the addition of Docker Containers that are the challenging factor.  

The following may lead to a solution but I have not tested it yet. Any comments? Am I getting close?

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26028971/docker-container-ssl-certificates

Jim

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 07:40:57 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:40:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - UPDATE Database Advisors Funding Drive
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHohNShnNv56Y8ZMZ6VE9MWDkZLnUqbiX44u00W0vWPRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List(s):

The finance committee (formed just now) would like to express their
gratitude at the generosity of the members of Database Advisors.  Through
your pledges (which I trust will become contributions today) you have
guaranteed the continuing presence of the Lists, and valued the help and
advice we all receive.

If you have not pledged or contributed yet, but are one of those people who
are susceptible to moral suasion, don?t fight it.  The PayPal site will be
waiting for you at
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
.

For those of you who can?t or won?t use PayPal, you can send a check to me,
made out to Rocky Smolin and I will deposit it and make the corresponding
contribution at the PayPal site.  Send the check to:

Rocky Smolin
1014 Tulip Way
Carlsbad, California 92011

Again, to each of you who have pledged and/or paid, you have solved in a
day what could have been an awkward problem and assured the uninterrupted
presence of Database Advisors.

Your Finance Committee (all of whom are finding out at this moment that
they are on a Finance Committee)(which will teach them not to miss the
meetings),

Susan, John, Keith, Bryan, and Rocky

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 08:12:45 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:12:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML question
Message-ID: <011101d4661b$18f4bef0$4ade3cd0$@gmail.com>

I edit a lot of simple html files and the quotes are a nuisance. I know how to fix them but I'd rather bypass them altogether. Is there anything I can add to the header/style information that would render quotes as is, regardless of the quote character? It would be so much easier to just accommodate them than have to find and change them. FWIW, the template I use does support css, but I know less about it than html! ? The grand thing about both is you don't have to be an expert to get results, but I do believe I'm working harder than I should. ? 

While we're on the subject, I use Brackets -- it's very good for free. But, I can't select text and choose a tag. I have to type a tag and then cut/paste the closing tag because I'm formatting existing text. It would be much easier to right-click the text, choose or type a tag and have the editor place the tags appropriately. Otherwise, it's a great editor--but I spend a lot of time reformatting text. 

Susan Harkins



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 17 11:58:56 2018
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:58:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML question
In-Reply-To: <011101d4661b$18f4bef0$4ade3cd0$@gmail.com>
References: <011101d4661b$18f4bef0$4ade3cd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38109b1c-13cf-f5ec-2ce9-02c6b8073aec@earthlink.net>

On 10/17/2018 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I edit a lot of simple html files and the quotes are a nuisance. I know how to fix them but I'd rather bypass them altogether. Is there anything I can add to the header/style information that would render quotes as is, regardless of the quote character? It would be so much easier to just accommodate them than have to find and change them. FWIW, the template I use does support css, but I know less about it than html!

Html without css is like math without algebra, without it nothing can be 
generalised. Css is learn-as-you go, doesn't require proficiency to 
start making your html coding more efficient.

Example of css quote management: 
https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/q/quotes/

>   ? The grand thing about both is you don't have to be an expert to get results, but I do believe I'm working harder than I should. ?
>
> While we're on the subject, I use Brackets -- it's very good for free. But, I can't select text and choose a tag. I have to type a tag and then cut/paste the closing tag because I'm formatting existing text. It would be much easier to right-click the text, choose or type a tag and have the editor place the tags appropriately. Otherwise, it's a great editor--but I spend a lot of time reformatting text.

I don't know Brackets, you might like https://htmleditor.tools/, WYSIWYG 
on one side, code on the other. Notice the tag manager.

PB


>
> Susan Harkins
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 12:10:23 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:10:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] HTML question
In-Reply-To: <38109b1c-13cf-f5ec-2ce9-02c6b8073aec@earthlink.net>
References: <011101d4661b$18f4bef0$4ade3cd0$@gmail.com>
	<38109b1c-13cf-f5ec-2ce9-02c6b8073aec@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001701d4663c$4b4d3910$e1e7ab30$@gmail.com>

Thanks!

I edited a marvelous css beginner level book and meant to turn that into a learning experience for myself, but haven't gotten back to it yet. 

Susan H. 


On 10/17/2018 8:12, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I edit a lot of simple html files and the quotes are a nuisance. I know how to fix them but I'd rather bypass them altogether. Is there anything I can add to the header/style information that would render quotes as is, regardless of the quote character? It would be so much easier to just accommodate them than have to find and change them. FWIW, the template I use does support css, but I know less about it than html!

Html without css is like math without algebra, without it nothing can be generalised. Css is learn-as-you go, doesn't require proficiency to start making your html coding more efficient.

Example of css quote management: 
https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/q/quotes/

>   ? The grand thing about both is you don't have to be an expert to 
> get results, but I do believe I'm working harder than I should. ?
>
> While we're on the subject, I use Brackets -- it's very good for free. But, I can't select text and choose a tag. I have to type a tag and then cut/paste the closing tag because I'm formatting existing text. It would be much easier to right-click the text, choose or type a tag and have the editor place the tags appropriately. Otherwise, it's a great editor--but I spend a lot of time reformatting text.

I don't know Brackets, you might like https://htmleditor.tools/, WYSIWYG on one side, code on the other. Notice the tag manager.

PB


>
> Susan Harkins
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 18 14:01:46 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 13:01:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] An Online Photoshop replacement
In-Reply-To: <358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1488479641.280166621.1534180702135.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<325034159.431481203.1536446529155.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<5B947E86.14032.232B8992@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1986718276.432673009.1536466491535.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I have not worked for long on this online photoshop-like editor replacement, yet but have been told this is an excellent product called Photopea. I really like what I have seen so far...watch out Adobe:

https://www.photopea.com

...and their blog:

https://blog.photopea.com/introduction.html

Reviews:
https://alternativeto.net/software/photopea/reviews/

Jim

 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 17:28:38 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:28:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everything Question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gm6xWUCf91C9-+gBmxbA_aKNWJ6cX_EAOoB5ymi30m_g@mail.gmail.com>

A long while back, I installed Everything, then after a while, removed it
since I never used it. Times change, and so does hardware. Currently I have
a 250GB SSD in my Ultrabook, plus several USB 3.0 external storage devices.
I love the speed of the SSD, but I save lots of documents there, all under
the My Documents folder. Said folder is mirrored on my 1TB drive
(external).

Decades ago, I obtained a utility called JET, which came with a storage
board; it was a copy program with a wonderful assortment of switches, that
so far I have not found equaled on any copy utility since.

Because of the limited size of my current SSD, and my OCD-indicative habit
of storing documents, I need to flush My Documents to the mirror on the 1TB
external drive, but with some provisos:

1. Copy everything in My Documents (folders and files) from the SSD to the
external drive, that do not already exist on the target drive.
2. Delete everything in My Documents older than today.
3. Rinse and Repeat once a day at some specified time.

I've been exploring Everything, but I'm new to it, and so far have not
discovered the way this can be accomplished.

Finally, it has become clear that a 250GB SSD is woefully inadequate in
terms of storage. I've been scouting the on-line vendors and it appears
that a 1TB SSD is not beyond my threshold of affordability, assuming that I
choose not to eat red meat for a month (?), not in itself a bad thing, but
let's face it, even with great recipes for tofu, nothing compares with my
BBQ steak, for which I am locally famous.

I digress. Can Everything do this task that I desire, as enumerated above?

-- 
Arthur

From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Oct 19 04:50:45 2018
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 10:50:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everything Question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gm6xWUCf91C9-+gBmxbA_aKNWJ6cX_EAOoB5ymi30m_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gm6xWUCf91C9-+gBmxbA_aKNWJ6cX_EAOoB5ymi30m_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <925297B0-D5A3-434C-972D-7DE685037E7F@tydda.plus.com>

Surely if you uninstall everything, nothing will work? :)


Jon

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Oct 2018, at 23:28, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A long while back, I installed Everything, then after a while, removed it
> since I never used it. Times change, and so does hardware. Currently I have
> a 250GB SSD in my Ultrabook, plus several USB 3.0 external storage devices.
> I love the speed of the SSD, but I save lots of documents there, all under
> the My Documents folder. Said folder is mirrored on my 1TB drive
> (external).
> 
> Decades ago, I obtained a utility called JET, which came with a storage
> board; it was a copy program with a wonderful assortment of switches, that
> so far I have not found equaled on any copy utility since.
> 
> Because of the limited size of my current SSD, and my OCD-indicative habit
> of storing documents, I need to flush My Documents to the mirror on the 1TB
> external drive, but with some provisos:
> 
> 1. Copy everything in My Documents (folders and files) from the SSD to the
> external drive, that do not already exist on the target drive.
> 2. Delete everything in My Documents older than today.
> 3. Rinse and Repeat once a day at some specified time.
> 
> I've been exploring Everything, but I'm new to it, and so far have not
> discovered the way this can be accomplished.
> 
> Finally, it has become clear that a 250GB SSD is woefully inadequate in
> terms of storage. I've been scouting the on-line vendors and it appears
> that a 1TB SSD is not beyond my threshold of affordability, assuming that I
> choose not to eat red meat for a month (?), not in itself a bad thing, but
> let's face it, even with great recipes for tofu, nothing compares with my
> BBQ steak, for which I am locally famous.
> 
> I digress. Can Everything do this task that I desire, as enumerated above?
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 19 23:12:46 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 22:12:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everything Question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gm6xWUCf91C9-+gBmxbA_aKNWJ6cX_EAOoB5ymi30m_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gm6xWUCf91C9-+gBmxbA_aKNWJ6cX_EAOoB5ymi30m_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2089409913.100039226.1540008766242.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

An interesting aside about the app Everything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_(software)

Mind you, other apps that are supposed to be alternative of the product are equally as bad or worse because of they're filled with crapware. Everything is a good product, from an individual PC, point of view (which is just fine in your situation) but from a business network type environment it can be dangerous as it breaks all security restrictions; ie. Just select any program that it exposes and it will run and run in administrator mode...

As a Linux enthusiast, I have been using an application called fsearch (based on Everything) and it has protections against running applications flagged above the current user's security level. It also allows me to index and search my entire network (has to run from a Linux machine), a mixture of Linux and Microsoft...but indexing 10 computers of mixed OSs, 32/64 bit and varied performance levels is an exercise in patience...it took a couple of hours and a bit to index approx 20TBs of data...but searching after the index was created was very fast. (I found I had about 300 file with MDB in the name...too many backups!) PS It even reads across the internet to sites like Google Drive and of course Dropbox.

Prices for 10TB SATA (Seagate) drives are about $260 or cheaper. This size would be great for you as you wouldn't have to worry about capacity again. Unfortunately its not a SSD and to re-index a drive of that size, filled, would not provide immediate gratification. ;-)

Aside: If you do want to open any Microsoft MDB file in any Debian based Linux, ie Ubuntu just install one app, from the command prompt and the rest is easy: sudo apt install mdbtools. I have used Wine to run MS Access on my 32/64bit Ubuntu 16.04 version machines and it runs excellent: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32983. Haven't tried any other versions but...MS Access data saves fine into DB format excellent for use with the latest version of SQLite and subsequent web use. Google has a excellent access2sqlite tool for the task.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 3:28:38 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everything Question

A long while back, I installed Everything, then after a while, removed it
since I never used it. Times change, and so does hardware. Currently I have
a 250GB SSD in my Ultrabook, plus several USB 3.0 external storage devices.
I love the speed of the SSD, but I save lots of documents there, all under
the My Documents folder. Said folder is mirrored on my 1TB drive
(external).

Decades ago, I obtained a utility called JET, which came with a storage
board; it was a copy program with a wonderful assortment of switches, that
so far I have not found equaled on any copy utility since.

Because of the limited size of my current SSD, and my OCD-indicative habit
of storing documents, I need to flush My Documents to the mirror on the 1TB
external drive, but with some provisos:

1. Copy everything in My Documents (folders and files) from the SSD to the
external drive, that do not already exist on the target drive.
2. Delete everything in My Documents older than today.
3. Rinse and Repeat once a day at some specified time.

I've been exploring Everything, but I'm new to it, and so far have not
discovered the way this can be accomplished.

Finally, it has become clear that a 250GB SSD is woefully inadequate in
terms of storage. I've been scouting the on-line vendors and it appears
that a 1TB SSD is not beyond my threshold of affordability, assuming that I
choose not to eat red meat for a month (?), not in itself a bad thing, but
let's face it, even with great recipes for tofu, nothing compares with my
BBQ steak, for which I am locally famous.

I digress. Can Everything do this task that I desire, as enumerated above?

-- 
Arthur
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 22 23:47:57 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:47:57 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Thank you!
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Dear List(s):
On behalf of those who administer the Database Advisors lists, I would like to express my appreciation and gratitude for the support and generosity of the members of DBA.

In just one week we have had enough money contributed - in excess of $1200 - to fund DBA for three years.

I can't say I was totally surprised by this, as the generosity of the list members in contributing their time and knowledge to help others is well known by all of us.  But it is gratifying nonetheless.

Once again, thanks to all who contributed money, and thanks again to all who contribute their time and knowledge, without which the lists would have no purpose.

Best,
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
http://www.bchacc.com
http://www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin


From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Oct 23 11:18:21 2018
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:18:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR05MB2901BB7DD8F31710206FC347F6F50@CY4PR05MB2901.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky,

Could you let us know how many individual contributors there were?  I'd like to know how many people use AccessD enough to want to keep it going.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: October 22, 2018 23:48
To: DBA-administrivia (administrivia at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Thank you!

Dear List(s):
On behalf of those who administer the Database Advisors lists, I would like to express my appreciation and gratitude for the support and generosity of the members of DBA.

In just one week we have had enough money contributed - in excess of $1200 - to fund DBA for three years.

I can't say I was totally surprised by this, as the generosity of the list members in contributing their time and knowledge to help others is well known by all of us.  But it is gratifying nonetheless.

Once again, thanks to all who contributed money, and thanks again to all who contribute their time and knowledge, without which the lists would have no purpose.

Best,
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
http://www.bchacc.com
http://www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Oct 23 11:31:20 2018
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:31:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR05MB2901BB7DD8F31710206FC347F6F50@CY4PR05MB2901.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<CY4PR05MB2901BB7DD8F31710206FC347F6F50@CY4PR05MB2901.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003001d46aed$d5b7e860$8127b920$@bassett.net>

Dan, I'm guessing that at least half of the contributors are from the "off
topic" group, as we are quite a family there, and don't want to see that
list go away. OT probably generates as much traffic as all the others
together. Even though off topic, we sometimes help each other with Access
and other things that would technically belong on one of the other lists. A
number of us are original "owners", and some (like Rocky and myself) from
even before we incorporated.

--
Kathryn Bassett 
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 Oct 2018 9:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
> 
> Hi Rocky,
> 
> Could you let us know how many individual contributors there were?  I'd
like
> to know how many people use AccessD enough to want to keep it going.
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 23 11:54:06 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:54:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <003001d46aed$d5b7e860$8127b920$@bassett.net>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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I have noticed that the OT group is made up of a bunch of old-timers...Is there anyone younger than 40? Many are over sixty. ;-)

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:31:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thank you!

Dan, I'm guessing that at least half of the contributors are from the "off
topic" group, as we are quite a family there, and don't want to see that
list go away. OT probably generates as much traffic as all the others
together. Even though off topic, we sometimes help each other with Access
and other things that would technically belong on one of the other lists. A
number of us are original "owners", and some (like Rocky and myself) from
even before we incorporated.

--
Kathryn Bassett 
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 Oct 2018 9:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
> 
> Hi Rocky,
> 
> Could you let us know how many individual contributors there were?  I'd
like
> to know how many people use AccessD enough to want to keep it going.
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan


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From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 12:02:01 2018
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:02:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <1137285940.120432684.1540313646322.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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 Many are over sixty.

Yeah and ???

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:54 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I have noticed that the OT group is made up of a bunch of old-timers...Is
> there anyone younger than 40? Many are over sixty. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:31:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
>
> Dan, I'm guessing that at least half of the contributors are from the "off
> topic" group, as we are quite a family there, and don't want to see that
> list go away. OT probably generates as much traffic as all the others
> together. Even though off topic, we sometimes help each other with Access
> and other things that would technically belong on one of the other lists. A
> number of us are original "owners", and some (like Rocky and myself) from
> even before we incorporated.
>
> --
> Kathryn Bassett
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Dan Waters
> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 Oct 2018 9:18 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
> >
> > Hi Rocky,
> >
> > Could you let us know how many individual contributors there were?  I'd
> like
> > to know how many people use AccessD enough to want to keep it going.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 12:11:03 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:11:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
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LOL.? Put to pasture!? :)


On 10/23/2018 1:02 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote:
>   Many are over sixty.
>
> Yeah and ???
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:54 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I have noticed that the OT group is made up of a bunch of old-timers...Is
>> there anyone younger than 40? Many are over sixty. ;-)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:31:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
>>
>> Dan, I'm guessing that at least half of the contributors are from the "off
>> topic" group, as we are quite a family there, and don't want to see that
>> list go away. OT probably generates as much traffic as all the others
>> together. Even though off topic, we sometimes help each other with Access
>> and other things that would technically belong on one of the other lists. A
>> number of us are original "owners", and some (like Rocky and myself) from
>> even before we incorporated.
>>
>> --
>> Kathryn Bassett
>> kathryn at bassett.net
>> http://bassett.net
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 23 Oct 2018 9:18 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Thank you!
>>>
>>> Hi Rocky,
>>>
>>> Could you let us know how many individual contributors there were?  I'd
>> like
>>> to know how many people use AccessD enough to want to keep it going.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Dan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 23 14:05:26 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:05:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] An interesting Podcast about the ciders of today
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As many of us are no longer "down in the trenches", as they say, I have been listening to great series of weekly podcasts so to keep my "finger" on the pulse of the current developers. This production is made with real developers, not newsy guys or rah, rah company boyz or even tinkerers but people make their living coding. I find it very refreshing:  

https://coder.show/329

Aside: This podcast briefly touches on the great Microsoft migration from pure proprietary Windows to Open Source and Linux. Azure is mostly Linux. Built on top of Linux like any other distro (distribution) and now mostly runs Linux application (https://zd.net/2JekZLV and https://read.bi/2yvJUWV ...this link is dated but the trends are obvious) Microsoft have moved a significant number of their patients to MIT licensing (http://bit.ly/2ScmCOb) A couple of products that have been OSed(?) are Powershell and MS SQL. (The reason Powershell runs Linux is not because a series of wrappers were built, but because core Linux was inserted into the product. MS SQL is also inserting code from a number of OS flat base file systems....this is exciting.) If there was a war between Linux and Microsoft, it apparently is over...even Ballmer agrees. ;-) 

The one disappointment, I will express is the the licencing of Microsoft product is under the MIT licencing and not under the GPL licencing model: http://bit.ly/2D04Zg8 As much of the code inserted into the new MS applications were designed under the GPL licencing model is there any legal conflict?

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 23 23:58:54 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:58:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Acorn
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For those that played with an Acorn computer, in their youth, now they can run their own since the code has been open sourced. Now you can dual-boot it, run it live or set it up on one of the many virtual options:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/23/risc_os_open_source/

Jim

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Oct 27 15:49:15 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:49:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - List posting size limits
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB2201D98314D0B53E81C697CDD8F10@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

We encourage snipping <snip> of posts to that which matters for the post to make sense in order to increase readability, reduce noise and reduce post sizes.

Usually the size limit is hit because the email is sent in a format other than plain text. Rich formatted email (MS or HTML) is almost always too large for the limit. We increased the size limit of the lists to 20 KB per post some years ago. 20kb is a _lot_ of plain text. We would certainly allow a post that needed more than that to get through if contacted about it. I think that has happened once in 10 years. 

We maintain this limit because there are active members who have extremely poor speeds in their part of the world. 

Unfortunately the rich formatting gets stripped after the limit is determined rather than before or most posts would go right through. There are settings in almost all email systems to set the appropriate DBA list address to use always plain text. I have made numerous posts over the years in regards to how to do it in Outlook. 

Note: our volunteer moderators are very accommodating in allowing posts through - IF you contact them.

Best Regards,
John B


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 28 23:09:33 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:09:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
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Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN (https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs, there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for faster speeds and more features.

Jim

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 00:13:05 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:13:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>

But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your
ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from
the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
(https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security
provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest
privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is
not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also
provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs,
there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing
history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would
like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for
faster speeds and more features.

Jim
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 29 11:33:38 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:33:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
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Hi Rocky:

Not really. 

The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my start or real location or even who I am.

Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its neighbour?

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your
ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from
the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
(https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security
provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest
privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is
not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also
provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs,
there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing
history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would
like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for
faster speeds and more features.

Jim
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 12:32:15 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:32:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<1986718276.432673009.1536466491535.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
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Message-ID: <006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>

"...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the
capabilities to do so."

Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Hi Rocky:

Not really. 

The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no
records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all
and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of
these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into
the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For
example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are
geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am
contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my
address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my
start or real location or even who I am.

Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to
block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the
works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its
citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the
leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a
fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its
neighbour?

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your
ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from
the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
(https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security
provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest
privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is
not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also
provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs,
there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing
history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would
like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for
faster speeds and more features.

Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Oct 29 12:54:15 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:54:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1986718276.432673009.1536466491535.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
	<1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>,
	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <-5csnr0o2rwhz-2k4i1os3qjiyr80mgw-9zult0lrcgnhmnxz88-lw7f4a-eassb0-73lvgkkqmsqi8dx4yy-7999rsbh5xl0-mzlk8e-feogsz-8nsgmr-ji9z0g-qbqrqyyx279k-vzjm2720wiqzxcptci.1540835653580@email.android.com>

I would be curious as well. For example i can map down to the spot you submit a form to our crm using the software provided.

Martin

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
From: Rocky Smolin
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
CC:

"...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the
capabilities to do so."

Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Hi Rocky:

Not really.

The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no
records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all
and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of
these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into
the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For
example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are
geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am
contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my
address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my
start or real location or even who I am.

Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to
block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the
works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its
citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the
leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a
fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its
neighbour?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your
ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from
the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
(https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security
provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest
privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is
not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also
provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs,
there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing
history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would
like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for
faster speeds and more features.

Jim
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 29 15:10:02 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 06:10:02 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <-5csnr0o2rwhz-2k4i1os3qjiyr80mgw-9zult0lrcgnhmnxz88-lw7f4a-eassb0-73lvgkkqmsqi8dx4yy-7999rsbh5xl0-mzlk8e-feogsz-8nsgmr-ji9z0g-qbqrqyyx279k-vzjm2720wiqzxcptci.1540835653580@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <5BD7691A.29287.519B77F9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If using a VPN, your CRM will show the form as being subbmitted from one of the VPN 
server locations,  not from the originating location.

On 29 Oct 2018 at 17:54, Martin Reid wrote:

> I would be curious as well. For example i can map down to the spot you
> submit a form to our crm using the software provided.
> 
> Martin
> 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 29 18:54:32 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 23:54:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1986718276.432673009.1536466491535.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
	<1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB220175A45A884F2DCF1D1549D8F30@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Regarding the end point VPN server location collecting information concerning a particular user, it could be done.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:32 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

"...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so."

Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Hi Rocky:

Not really. 

The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my start or real location or even who I am.

Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its neighbour?

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
(https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs, there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for faster speeds and more features.

Jim
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 10:27:43 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:27:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB220175A45A884F2DCF1D1549D8F30@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1986718276.432673009.1536466491535.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
	<1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
	<DM5PR1101MB220175A45A884F2DCF1D1549D8F30@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <941d213e-463c-c928-e0c5-69caa4eb8f5e@Gmail.com>

I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then 
collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and 
no one will use your service.? Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their 
secrets.? A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly 
demonstrate that fact.


On 10/29/2018 7:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Regarding the end point VPN server location collecting information concerning a particular user, it could be done.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:32 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> "...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so."
>
> Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> Not really.
>
> The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my start or real location or even who I am.
>
> Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its neighbour?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
> (https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:
>
> https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
> subscription-ad-mozilla
> http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW
>
> Quote
>
> SWISS BASED
>
> We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.
>
> FREE VPN
> We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs, there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for faster speeds and more features.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
John W. Colby


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 10:52:45 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 08:52:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <941d213e-463c-c928-e0c5-69caa4eb8f5e@Gmail.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<1986718276.432673009.1536466491535.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>	<1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>	<DM5PR1101MB220175A45A884F2DCF1D1549D8F30@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<941d213e-463c-c928-e0c5-69caa4eb8f5e@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009301d47068$998e3350$ccaa99f0$@bchacc.com>

So you would trust the Firefox VPN?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 8:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; John Bartow
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then 
collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and 
no one will use your service.  Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their 
secrets.  A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly 
demonstrate that fact.


On 10/29/2018 7:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Regarding the end point VPN server location collecting information concerning a particular user, it could be done.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:32 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> "...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so."
>
> Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> Not really.
>
> The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my start or real location or even who I am.
>
> Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its neighbour?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
> (https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:
>
> https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
> subscription-ad-mozilla
> http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW
>
> Quote
>
> SWISS BASED
>
> We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.
>
> FREE VPN
> We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs, there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for faster speeds and more features.
>
> Jim
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:35:40 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:35:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <009301d47068$998e3350$ccaa99f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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I suppose.? Firefox's reason for existence is not protecting your 
identity however the vpn isn't theirs.

I do think Firefox is more trustworthy than chrome or IE or Edge whose 
stated reason for their existence is precisely the opposite, to capture 
everything they can about you.


On 10/30/2018 11:52 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> So you would trust the Firefox VPN?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 8:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; John Bartow
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then
> collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and
> no one will use your service.  Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their
> secrets.  A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly
> demonstrate that fact.
>
>
> On 10/29/2018 7:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Regarding the end point VPN server location collecting information concerning a particular user, it could be done.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:32 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>>
>> "...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so."
>>
>> Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?
>>
>> r
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:37:04 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:37:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <009301d47068$998e3350$ccaa99f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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The problem with a vpn in a browser is simply that it only protects a 
single endpoint.? There may be a dozen other apps on the same computer 
which are not protected.


On 10/30/2018 11:52 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> So you would trust the Firefox VPN?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 8:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; John Bartow
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then
> collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and
> no one will use your service.  Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their
> secrets.  A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly
> demonstrate that fact.
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 30 13:44:31 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:44:31 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <941d213e-463c-c928-e0c5-69caa4eb8f5e@Gmail.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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Well, that kind of makes my point, if you think that but don't check it, you don't know. I know this most likely doesn't apply to any of the extremely intelligent people who subscribe to these lists but the vast majority of people don't bother checking into anything anymore. Or. Maybe worse yet, take advise from a quick spot on a television show.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and no one will use your service.? Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their secrets.? A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly demonstrate that fact.


On 10/29/2018 7:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Regarding the end point VPN server location collecting information concerning a particular user, it could be done.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:32 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> "...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so."
>
> Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> Not really.
>
> The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my start or real location or even who I am.
>
> Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its neighbour?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used 
> right from the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
> (https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:
>
> https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-prot
> onvpn-
> subscription-ad-mozilla
> http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW
>
> Quote
>
> SWISS BASED
>
> We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.
>
> FREE VPN
> We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs, there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for faster speeds and more features.
>
> Jim
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Oct 30 13:52:34 2018
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:52:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
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https://www.comparitech.com/vpn/vpn-logging-policies/

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 16:35:47 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 17:35:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB2201998052D97DDDFF3782D8D8CC0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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 >but the vast majority of people don't bother checking into anything 
anymore.

Of course you are correct.? However (I believe) the truth is that most 
of the VPNs strive for what they claim to be doing, assisting in 
reducing the public facing info available on a person.? And truth be 
told, anyone actively participating in Facebook, twitter and other such 
things is giving away all the personal stuff that a VPN is designed to 
hide.? For the "average" person I think this is all an exercise in 
futility for that exact reason, and an exercise in selling paranoia to 
make money.

As for me...

While a despise warrentless anything, I nevertheless hold a position of 
"I'm of no interest to the intelligence community". So while I 
acknowledge that such stuff goes on, and I don't like it on an ethical 
level, I don't particularly worry about being picked up in a sweep and 
charged with anything because I don't do bad stuff.

Which brings us to the "swept up and charged without valid reason".? I 
believe that happens as well.? It's kind of like being hit by a drunk 
driver.? It happens. But again I'm not living my life in fear of the 
"might could" mentality.

So I personally have just started (in the last year) started using a 
VPN.? I have reduced my facebook posts to a crawl, though what is 
already there already forms a valid outline of who I am. I don't do any 
of the other such things.? Which leaves web crawling and such.? Google 
and chrome are hellholes of such marketing intel gathering.? For me, 
getting a VPN up and running reduces that as far as possible and is my 
main focus in using a VPN.

I am working on getting my home router hooked up to the VPN I have 
selected.? Not a trivial task but doable.? Once that is done, all 
traffic from my home automatically goes through my VPN.

After that it is what to do and how convenient is it for my travel and 
personal devices "out there".? Phones, tablets on my personal wifi 
hotspot on my phone.? My laptop which I carry. Again this is really 
about marketing rather than criminal activities.? Just trying to reduce 
my footprint out there.? For that, the stuff from Firefox is another tool.


On 10/30/2018 2:44 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Well, that kind of makes my point, if you think that but don't check it, you don't know. I know this most likely doesn't apply to any of the extremely intelligent people who subscribe to these lists but the vast majority of people don't bother checking into anything anymore. Or. Maybe worse yet, take advise from a quick spot on a television show.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and no one will use your service.? Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their secrets.? A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly demonstrate that fact.
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 30 22:57:47 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 03:57:47 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <bbb96a62-8816-9958-23fc-1a8dcf3a0965@Gmail.com>
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By this account, we've both approached these things in a similar manner. 

Other than Facebook on which I mostly post satirical or cynical humor. If "da man" is going to come down on me for that, well, its nothing they couldn't watch me for a day and come up with anyway. 

A few years ago I started posting the old guy equivalent to "The 15 things girls post on Facebook list". I still need to get a photo pointing down at a of a bunch of ugly guy feet in a circle at the edge of the beach...

At least my nieces get a kick out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:36 PM
To: John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

 >but the vast majority of people don't bother checking into anything anymore.

Of course you are correct.? However (I believe) the truth is that most of the VPNs strive for what they claim to be doing, assisting in reducing the public facing info available on a person.? And truth be told, anyone actively participating in Facebook, twitter and other such things is giving away all the personal stuff that a VPN is designed to hide.? For the "average" person I think this is all an exercise in futility for that exact reason, and an exercise in selling paranoia to make money.

As for me...

While a despise warrentless anything, I nevertheless hold a position of "I'm of no interest to the intelligence community". So while I acknowledge that such stuff goes on, and I don't like it on an ethical level, I don't particularly worry about being picked up in a sweep and charged with anything because I don't do bad stuff.

Which brings us to the "swept up and charged without valid reason".? I believe that happens as well.? It's kind of like being hit by a drunk driver.? It happens. But again I'm not living my life in fear of the "might could" mentality.

So I personally have just started (in the last year) started using a VPN.? I have reduced my facebook posts to a crawl, though what is already there already forms a valid outline of who I am. I don't do any of the other such things.? Which leaves web crawling and such.? Google and chrome are hellholes of such marketing intel gathering.? For me, getting a VPN up and running reduces that as far as possible and is my main focus in using a VPN.

I am working on getting my home router hooked up to the VPN I have selected.? Not a trivial task but doable.? Once that is done, all traffic from my home automatically goes through my VPN.

After that it is what to do and how convenient is it for my travel and personal devices "out there".? Phones, tablets on my personal wifi hotspot on my phone.? My laptop which I carry. Again this is really about marketing rather than criminal activities.? Just trying to reduce my footprint out there.? For that, the stuff from Firefox is another tool.


On 10/30/2018 2:44 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Well, that kind of makes my point, if you think that but don't check it, you don't know. I know this most likely doesn't apply to any of the extremely intelligent people who subscribe to these lists but the vast majority of people don't bother checking into anything anymore. Or. Maybe worse yet, take advise from a quick spot on a television show.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and no one will use your service.? Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their secrets.? A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly demonstrate that fact.
>
>

--
John W. Colby



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 06:28:42 2018
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 07:28:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR1101MB219452CDAA9EC7D7C0005C9ED8CD0@BN6PR1101MB2194.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<1986718276.432673009.1536466491535.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<358589427.487524108.1537248610704.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<209594018.91103272.1539889306971.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>	<1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>	<DM5PR1101MB220175A45A884F2DCF1D1549D8F30@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<941d213e-463c-c928-e0c5-69caa4eb8f5e@Gmail.com>	<DM5PR1101MB2201998052D97DDDFF3782D8D8CC0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>	<bbb96a62-8816-9958-23fc-1a8dcf3a0965@Gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <005301d4710c$e1629eb0$a427dc10$@gmail.com>

Just a story -- when my brother was 18 (this was in the early 70s), he was picked up by the FBI and detained for a few hours because he looked like a guy on their 10-most-wanted list. When it became apparent that they'd picked up an ordinary kid, they released him. But it was still a terrifying experience for him. And that happened before the tech age. 

The only thing anyone following me on FB will learn is that I'm an older plump woman who loves her grandkids, dogs, and plants. ? None of my personal information is there, not even that I'm married. 

But, you made me think about it a bit. I exchange files every single day, but if the publishers want to secure those documents, the VPN is on them I guess and they don't 'require it. However, their CMS systems may be behind one. 

If I need to work away from home, I take a laptop with me and I never access anything remotely. I have an external drive with work files that I carry in my bag with my laptop. 

My computers aren't even networked. They used to be, but the only reason I'd want do to that now would be to use the big TVs to work and so far, I've not gotten that right. The TVs  don't seem compatible with Windows 10. I've read a ton of info and tried three times, but no go. When I replace the TVs, I'll be more selective. But, it would be cool to sit in the comfy chair and edit documents from several feet away. My neck and shoulder hurts a lot, so a different sitting arrangement would help I think -- not all day -- I mean to go back and forth, relieving the pressure in certain areas. Right now I'm in physical therapy for it and it's much better. I have the stand-up desktop but haven't set it up yet. 

I never use public wi-fi. I need to check my phone on that though -- but I don't use my phone that way either, but it's still worth checking but I'm pretty sure my phone is set not to use public wi-fi. 

We do enjoy online banking and shopping -- a lot. I love it. Would I benefit from a VPN? I did a little quick research this morning, and I don't think so. I don't remote in, and I don't use public wi-fi. I'm not concerned about protecting my identity, but of course, I am concerned about protecting my personal information and the only thing I have that's of value would be my banking information while online shopping.   

Susan H. 

Which brings us to the "swept up and charged without valid reason".  I believe that happens as well.  It's kind of like being hit by a drunk driver.  It happens. But again I'm not living my life in fear of the "might could" mentality.

So I personally have just started (in the last year) started using a VPN.  I have reduced my facebook posts to a crawl, though what is already there already forms a valid outline of who I am. I don't do any of the other such things.  Which leaves web crawling and such.  Google and chrome are hellholes of such marketing intel gathering.  For me, getting a VPN up and running reduces that as far as possible and is my main focus in using a VPN.

I am working on getting my home router hooked up to the VPN I have selected.  Not a trivial task but doable.  Once that is done, all traffic from my home automatically goes through my VPN.

After that it is what to do and how convenient is it for my travel and personal devices "out there".  Phones, tablets on my personal wifi hotspot on my phone.  My laptop which I carry. Again this is really about marketing rather than criminal activities.  Just trying to reduce my footprint out there.  For that, the stuff from Firefox is another tool.


On 10/30/2018 2:44 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Well, that kind of makes my point, if you think that but don't check it, you don't know. I know this most likely doesn't apply to any of the extremely intelligent people who subscribe to these lists but the vast majority of people don't bother checking into anything anymore. Or. Maybe worse yet, take advise from a quick spot on a television show.




From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 18:10:20 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:10:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
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	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <299503813.173119130.1541027420504.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

There is a danger that if a government comes to a company that has been keeping transaction results but keeping them private, if asked, the company must forward them to the government. If a company keeps no information, has built no infrastructure capable of doing so, there is no information to provide.

Of course not all secure VPN providers are equal and we must carefully read the service agreement and validate those promises via the web. 

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:32:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

"...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the
capabilities to do so."

Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Hi Rocky:

Not really. 

The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no
records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all
and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of
these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into
the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For
example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are
geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am
contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my
address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my
start or real location or even who I am.

Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to
block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the
works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its
citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the
leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a
fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its
neighbour?

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your
ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from
the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
(https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security
provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest
privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is
not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also
provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs,
there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing
history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would
like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for
faster speeds and more features.

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 18:58:44 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:58:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <-5csnr0o2rwhz-2k4i1os3qjiyr80mgw-9zult0lrcgnhmnxz88-lw7f4a-eassb0-73lvgkkqmsqi8dx4yy-7999rsbh5xl0-mzlk8e-feogsz-8nsgmr-ji9z0g-qbqrqyyx279k-vzjm2720wiqzxcptci.1540835653580@email.android.com>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <1903901523.173356870.1541030324286.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

If you want end to end security you have use something like SSH/SSL for transferring data and Telegram for transferring messages. For fast secure opened ended browsing is there anything but a good VPN provider?

Aside: This is part of the reason I choose open source VPN providers. There is no where to hide malicious code.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:54:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

I would be curious as well. For example i can map down to the spot you submit a form to our crm using the software provided.

Martin

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
From: Rocky Smolin
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
CC:

"...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the
capabilities to do so."

Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Hi Rocky:

Not really.

The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no
records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all
and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of
these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into
the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For
example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are
geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am
contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my
address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my
start or real location or even who I am.

Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to
block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the
works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its
citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the
leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a
fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its
neighbour?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your
ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used right from
the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
(https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security
provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-protonvpn-
subscription-ad-mozilla
http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW

Quote

SWISS BASED

We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest
privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is
not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.

FREE VPN
We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also
provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs,
there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing
history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would
like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for
faster speeds and more features.

Jim
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 22:07:04 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 03:07:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <1903901523.173356870.1541030324286.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
	<1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
	<-5csnr0o2rwhz-2k4i1os3qjiyr80mgw-9zult0lrcgnhmnxz88-lw7f4a-eassb0-73lvgkkqmsqi8dx4yy-7999rsbh5xl0-mzlk8e-feogsz-8nsgmr-ji9z0g-qbqrqyyx279k-vzjm2720wiqzxcptci.1540835653580@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB2201755B5391D5DC7A2754FED8CE0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

SSL? Isn't that a bit dated?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 6:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

If you want end to end security you have use something like SSH/SSL for transferring data and Telegram for transferring messages. 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 22:07:54 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 03:07:54 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
In-Reply-To: <1903901523.173356870.1541030324286.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0B204E3@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1596034671.121094781.1540321526614.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1840941998.123878209.1540357134156.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<580061488.153923205.1540786173581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<008401d46f46$13f7d570$3be78050$@bchacc.com>
	<1489434042.157041623.1540830818988.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<006301d46fad$55a29250$00e7b6f0$@bchacc.com>
	<-5csnr0o2rwhz-2k4i1os3qjiyr80mgw-9zult0lrcgnhmnxz88-lw7f4a-eassb0-73lvgkkqmsqi8dx4yy-7999rsbh5xl0-mzlk8e-feogsz-8nsgmr-ji9z0g-qbqrqyyx279k-vzjm2720wiqzxcptci.1540835653580@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB2201B48CF1A475BF6CB4D0DAD8CE0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

OK, you're going to have to explain this one in detail because I have no idea why open source OS would prevent a VPN service from doing anything. 
-Since its OS can't they just modify it as they please?
-Can't OS be monitored by other network monitoring software?
-Is there an completely transparent OS hardware/software VPN solution available?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 6:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
<SNIP>
Aside: This is part of the reason I choose open source VPN providers. There is no where to hide malicious code.

Jim