From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu May  2 09:31:32 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 10:31:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h2DrdgVfxE6-i7MeURg448fXZT_BDRDXE8UxazzTKMXA@mail.gmail.com>

There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated by Clive
Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that as far as nerds go,
I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to be sure,
but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that coding
together is better than coding alone; you can see a shortcut that my
initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds off the operation of
interest.
At the moment I'm coding an open-source project for Linux and Windows; it's
about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database design
tools to create it.
I don't like coding alone. I prefer to have constant criticism and
contributions. So if anyone wants to volunteer, I am most happy to welcome
you to the project.
Arthur

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu May  2 11:28:29 2019
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 12:28:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
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Message-ID: <003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>

Tell me about the project and tools.

On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated by Clive
> Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that as far as nerds go,
> I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to be sure,
> but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that coding
> together is better than coding alone; you can see a shortcut that my
> initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds off the operation of
> interest.
> At the moment I'm coding an open-source project for Linux and Windows; it's
> about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database design
> tools to create it.
> I don't like coding alone. I prefer to have constant criticism and
> contributions. So if anyone wants to volunteer, I am most happy to welcome
> you to the project.
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
John W. Colby


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu May  2 11:30:45 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 09:30:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
In-Reply-To: <003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>
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	<003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur,

Add me in !

Francisco

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tell me about the project and tools.
>
> On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated by Clive
> > Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that as far as nerds
> go,
> > I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to be
> sure,
> > but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that coding
> > together is better than coding alone; you can see a shortcut that my
> > initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds off the operation of
> > interest.
> > At the moment I'm coding an open-source project for Linux and Windows;
> it's
> > about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database design
> > tools to create it.
> > I don't like coding alone. I prefer to have constant criticism and
> > contributions. So if anyone wants to volunteer, I am most happy to
> welcome
> > you to the project.
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
-Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu May  2 12:56:16 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
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	<003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXma87znj_iw9gqAj8Z6gJ_jUECqZt96J=AMWbaZPnJDHNw@mail.gmail.com>
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A preliminary sketch. We have Volunteers, amd Organisations, and
VolunteerOrganisations (since any Volunteer could join several Orgs.
Volunteers have Skills (driver, cook, companionship, etc. That's a table.
The bridge table is VolunteerSkills, whose PK is VolunteerID+Skill.
So far, I am coding this is Base (Linux) and Access. The intent is to give
it away to any organisations interested.

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 12:30 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> Add me in !
>
> Francisco
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tell me about the project and tools.
>>
>> On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> > There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated by Clive
>> > Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that as far as nerds
>> go,
>> > I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to be
>> sure,
>> > but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that coding
>> > together is better than coding alone; you can see a shortcut that my
>> > initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds off the operation of
>> > interest.
>> > At the moment I'm coding an open-source project for Linux and Windows;
>> it's
>> > about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database design
>> > tools to create it.
>> > I don't like coding alone. I prefer to have constant criticism and
>> > contributions. So if anyone wants to volunteer, I am most happy to
>> welcome
>> > you to the project.
>> > Arthur
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > dba-Tech mailing list
>> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> --
> -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
>
>
>

-- 
Arthur

From df.waters at outlook.com  Thu May  2 13:29:42 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 18:29:42 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hpOgJNX6JpTOpjYAzwfLF8VEe+gX84gkNoJx=gq+tXYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h2DrdgVfxE6-i7MeURg448fXZT_BDRDXE8UxazzTKMXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXma87znj_iw9gqAj8Z6gJ_jUECqZt96J=AMWbaZPnJDHNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hpOgJNX6JpTOpjYAzwfLF8VEe+gX84gkNoJx=gq+tXYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur,

Nice Project!  I hope you can help someone with this.

I'd like to make a suggestion on your VolunteerSkills many-to-many table.  The PK should simply be sequentially incremented by 1.  I would do it this way because if in the future you for some reason need to change the PK of the Volunteers table or the PK of the Skills table it would probably be a lot less effort.  I think in general a PK should never be dependent on something that might change.  

In the same table I would also have a field for VolunteerID and a separate field for SkillsID.  The values in those fields would purely match the PK of their corresponding tables.

Somewhere in the past I ran into trouble mixing PK's with other information in the same field so I never do that anymore.  

All the Best!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 2, 2019 12:56
To: Francisco Tapia
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] On coding alone

A preliminary sketch. We have Volunteers, amd Organisations, and
VolunteerOrganisations (since any Volunteer could join several Orgs.
Volunteers have Skills (driver, cook, companionship, etc. That's a table.
The bridge table is VolunteerSkills, whose PK is VolunteerID+Skill.
So far, I am coding this is Base (Linux) and Access. The intent is to give
it away to any organisations interested.

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 12:30 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> Add me in !
>
> Francisco
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tell me about the project and tools.
>>
>> On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> > There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated by Clive
>> > Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that as far as nerds
>> go,
>> > I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to be
>> sure,
>> > but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that coding
>> > together is better than coding alone; you can see a shortcut that my
>> > initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds off the operation of
>> > interest.
>> > At the moment I'm coding an open-source project for Linux and Windows;
>> it's
>> > about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database design
>> > tools to create it.
>> > I don't like coding alone. I prefer to have constant criticism and
>> > contributions. So if anyone wants to volunteer, I am most happy to
>> welcome
>> > you to the project.
>> > Arthur
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > dba-Tech mailing list
>> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> --
> -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
>
>
>

-- 
Arthur
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dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu May  2 13:38:23 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 14:38:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
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	<003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXma87znj_iw9gqAj8Z6gJ_jUECqZt96J=AMWbaZPnJDHNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hpOgJNX6JpTOpjYAzwfLF8VEe+gX84gkNoJx=gq+tXYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM6PR05MB5929015680D735E8F56733A5F6340@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Thanks for the thoughts on this.

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Daniel Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> Nice Project!  I hope you can help someone with this.
>
> I'd like to make a suggestion on your VolunteerSkills many-to-many table.
> The PK should simply be sequentially incremented by 1.  I would do it this
> way because if in the future you for some reason need to change the PK of
> the Volunteers table or the PK of the Skills table it would probably be a
> lot less effort.  I think in general a PK should never be dependent on
> something that might change.
>
> In the same table I would also have a field for VolunteerID and a separate
> field for SkillsID.  The values in those fields would purely match the PK
> of their corresponding tables.
>
> Somewhere in the past I ran into trouble mixing PK's with other
> information in the same field so I never do that anymore.
>
> All the Best!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: May 2, 2019 12:56
> To: Francisco Tapia
> Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
>
> A preliminary sketch. We have Volunteers, amd Organisations, and
> VolunteerOrganisations (since any Volunteer could join several Orgs.
> Volunteers have Skills (driver, cook, companionship, etc. That's a table.
> The bridge table is VolunteerSkills, whose PK is VolunteerID+Skill.
> So far, I am coding this is Base (Linux) and Access. The intent is to give
> it away to any organisations interested.
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 12:30 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur,
> >
> > Add me in !
> >
> > Francisco
> >
> > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tell me about the project and tools.
> >>
> >> On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >> > There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated by
> Clive
> >> > Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that as far as
> nerds
> >> go,
> >> > I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to be
> >> sure,
> >> > but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that coding
> >> > together is better than coding alone; you can see a shortcut that my
> >> > initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds off the operation of
> >> > interest.
> >> > At the moment I'm coding an open-source project for Linux and Windows;
> >> it's
> >> > about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database
> design
> >> > tools to create it.
> >> > I don't like coding alone. I prefer to have constant criticism and
> >> > contributions. So if anyone wants to volunteer, I am most happy to
> >> welcome
> >> > you to the project.
> >> > Arthur
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > dba-Tech mailing list
> >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> >
> >> --
> >> John W. Colby
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > --
> > -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  2 15:25:11 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 06:25:11 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB5929015680D735E8F56733A5F6340@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h2DrdgVfxE6-i7MeURg448fXZT_BDRDXE8UxazzTKMXA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1hpOgJNX6JpTOpjYAzwfLF8VEe+gX84gkNoJx=gq+tXYA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<DM6PR05MB5929015680D735E8F56733A5F6340@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5CCB5227.18356.1C5E3EC9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Oh Boy! Wait while I ge the popcorn.

We haven't had a rerun  of the "Natural v ANPK and do link tables need a separate ANPK" 
debate for years.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 May 2019 at 18:29, Daniel Waters wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
> 
> Nice Project!  I hope you can help someone with this.
> 
> I'd like to make a suggestion on your VolunteerSkills many-to-many
> table.  The PK should simply be sequentially incremented by 1.  I
> would do it this way because if in the future you for some reason need
> to change the PK of the Volunteers table or the PK of the Skills table
> it would probably be a lot less effort.  I think in general a PK
> should never be dependent on something that might change.  
> 
> In the same table I would also have a field for VolunteerID and a
> separate field for SkillsID.  The values in those fields would purely
> match the PK of their corresponding tables.
> 
> Somewhere in the past I ran into trouble mixing PK's with other
> information in the same field so I never do that anymore.  
> 
> All the Best!
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: May 2, 2019 12:56 To: Francisco Tapia
> Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech]
> On coding alone
> 
> A preliminary sketch. We have Volunteers, amd Organisations, and
> VolunteerOrganisations (since any Volunteer could join several Orgs.
> Volunteers have Skills (driver, cook, companionship, etc. That's a
> table. The bridge table is VolunteerSkills, whose PK is
> VolunteerID+Skill. So far, I am coding this is Base (Linux) and
> Access. The intent is to give it away to any organisations interested.
> 
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 12:30 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Arthur,
> >
> > Add me in !
> >
> > Francisco
> >
> > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tell me about the project and tools.
> >>
> >> On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >> > There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated
> >> > by Clive Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that
> >> > as far as nerds
> >> go,
> >> > I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to
> >> > be
> >> sure,
> >> > but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that
> >> > coding together is better than coding alone; you can see a
> >> > shortcut that my initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds
> >> > off the operation of interest. At the moment I'm coding an
> >> > open-source project for Linux and Windows;
> >> it's
> >> > about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database
> >> > design tools to create it. I don't like coding alone. I prefer to
> >> > have constant criticism and contributions. So if anyone wants to
> >> > volunteer, I am most happy to
> >> welcome
> >> > you to the project.
> >> > Arthur
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > dba-Tech mailing list
> >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> >
> >> --
> >> John W. Colby
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > --
> > -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From df.waters at outlook.com  Thu May  2 15:59:30 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 20:59:30 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
In-Reply-To: <5CCB5227.18356.1C5E3EC9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1h2DrdgVfxE6-i7MeURg448fXZT_BDRDXE8UxazzTKMXA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1hpOgJNX6JpTOpjYAzwfLF8VEe+gX84gkNoJx=gq+tXYA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<DM6PR05MB5929015680D735E8F56733A5F6340@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<5CCB5227.18356.1C5E3EC9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB59296F4F272C3284723C16CBF6340@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Clearly - there can be NO debate!  ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 2, 2019 15:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] On coding alone

Oh Boy! Wait while I ge the popcorn.

We haven't had a rerun  of the "Natural v ANPK and do link tables need a separate ANPK" 
debate for years.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 May 2019 at 18:29, Daniel Waters wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
> 
> Nice Project!  I hope you can help someone with this.
> 
> I'd like to make a suggestion on your VolunteerSkills many-to-many
> table.  The PK should simply be sequentially incremented by 1.  I
> would do it this way because if in the future you for some reason need
> to change the PK of the Volunteers table or the PK of the Skills table
> it would probably be a lot less effort.  I think in general a PK
> should never be dependent on something that might change.  
> 
> In the same table I would also have a field for VolunteerID and a
> separate field for SkillsID.  The values in those fields would purely
> match the PK of their corresponding tables.
> 
> Somewhere in the past I ran into trouble mixing PK's with other
> information in the same field so I never do that anymore.  
> 
> All the Best!
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: May 2, 2019 12:56 To: Francisco Tapia
> Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech]
> On coding alone
> 
> A preliminary sketch. We have Volunteers, amd Organisations, and
> VolunteerOrganisations (since any Volunteer could join several Orgs.
> Volunteers have Skills (driver, cook, companionship, etc. That's a
> table. The bridge table is VolunteerSkills, whose PK is
> VolunteerID+Skill. So far, I am coding this is Base (Linux) and
> Access. The intent is to give it away to any organisations interested.
> 
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 12:30 PM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Arthur,
> >
> > Add me in !
> >
> > Francisco
> >
> > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:28 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tell me about the project and tools.
> >>
> >> On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >> > There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated
> >> > by Clive Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that
> >> > as far as nerds
> >> go,
> >> > I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to
> >> > be
> >> sure,
> >> > but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that
> >> > coding together is better than coding alone; you can see a
> >> > shortcut that my initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds
> >> > off the operation of interest. At the moment I'm coding an
> >> > open-source project for Linux and Windows;
> >> it's
> >> > about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database
> >> > design tools to create it. I don't like coding alone. I prefer to
> >> > have constant criticism and contributions. So if anyone wants to
> >> > volunteer, I am most happy to
> >> welcome
> >> > you to the project.
> >> > Arthur
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > dba-Tech mailing list
> >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >> >
> >> --
> >> John W. Colby
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > --
> > -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri May  3 07:05:03 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 08:05:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uber's database
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gwp-=Ho23sge6a3o_o=Yt+41Z3CP4X8RdQoOGVJ0E-8w@mail.gmail.com>

It's over 100 petabytes. Wow.

-- 
Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri May  3 10:58:12 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 08:58:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
Message-ID: <022501d501c9$032ef140$098cd3c0$@bchacc.com>

Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light that
they're almost impossible to see.

 

R

 

 

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
Subject: Browser issue

 

I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit).  Somewhere a few weeks or couple of
months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I have
to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead of black.


 

I can't find any setting that affects this.  Does anyone know what's causing
this and how to fix?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri May  3 12:11:05 2019
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 12:11:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
In-Reply-To: <022501d501c9$032ef140$098cd3c0$@bchacc.com>
References: <022501d501c9$032ef140$098cd3c0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pK2cJQOKSR-Nv-q=7DwDZ63Z=f0hLV6KF9opBCRcGnVeQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-fonts-and-colors-websites-use

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light that
> they're almost impossible to see.
>
>
>
> R
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
> To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
> Subject: Browser issue
>
>
>
> I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit).  Somewhere a few weeks or couple of
> months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I have
> to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead of black.
>
>
>
>
> I can't find any setting that affects this.  Does anyone know what's causing
> this and how to fix?
>
>
>
> MTIA
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  3 17:17:57 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 16:17:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
In-Reply-To: <003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h2DrdgVfxE6-i7MeURg448fXZT_BDRDXE8UxazzTKMXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003fd9b3-f73a-d7c3-970d-8d3d7c166a7a@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1245411389.22963129.1556921877505.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

It sounds intriguing...count me interested. Details please.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:28:29 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] On coding alone

Tell me about the project and tools.

On 5/2/2019 10:31 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> There are two schools of thought here. One school is celebrated by Clive
> Thompson's book Coders. which made me realise that that as far as nerds go,
> I'm in the shallow end of the pool. I have some idiosyncrasies to be sure,
> but over the past 40 or so years, I have come to realise that coding
> together is better than coding alone; you can see a shortcut that my
> initial code missed, a way to save milliseconds off the operation of
> interest.
> At the moment I'm coding an open-source project for Linux and Windows; it's
> about Volunteer organisations. As is my wont, I'm using database design
> tools to create it.
> I don't like coding alone. I prefer to have constant criticism and
> contributions. So if anyone wants to volunteer, I am most happy to welcome
> you to the project.
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
John W. Colby

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri May  3 22:12:34 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 03:12:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
In-Reply-To: <022501d501c9$032ef140$098cd3c0$@bchacc.com>
References: <022501d501c9$032ef140$098cd3c0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB2201B98616B9AE8B47E4C5EBD8360@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

You may rested in Mozilla Dark Theme. Click the hamburger menu | Add-ons | Themes  then use the search box near the top and search for Dark by Mozilla.

I find it to be much easier on the eyes.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 10:58 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light that they're almost impossible to see.

 

R

 

 

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
Subject: Browser issue

 

I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit).  Somewhere a few weeks or couple of months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I have to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead of black.


 

I can't find any setting that affects this.  Does anyone know what's causing this and how to fix?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From RockySmolin at bchacc.com  Fri May  3 22:40:27 2019
From: RockySmolin at bchacc.com (RockySmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 20:40:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
Message-ID: <20190503204027.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.1e91fdae17.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>

I'm using the dark theme but it didn't make a difference where I needed
it.  I like the dark theme but doesn't seem to affect the light text and
the text box borders which are still damn near invisible.

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Fri, May 03, 2019 8:12 pm
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>

You may rested in Mozilla Dark Theme. Click the hamburger menu | Add-ons
| Themes then use the search box near the top and search for Dark by
Mozilla.

I find it to be much easier on the eyes.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 10:58 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic'
<dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light
that they're almost impossible to see.

 

R

 

 

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
Subject: Browser issue

 

I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit). Somewhere a few weeks or couple of
months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I
have to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead
of black.


 

I can't find any setting that affects this. Does anyone know what's
causing this and how to fix?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  4 10:56:16 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 09:56:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
In-Reply-To: <20190503204027.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.1e91fdae17.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
References: <20190503204027.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.1e91fdae17.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <230916393.28726312.1556985376385.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Here is a couple of links you might be interested in. It is a basic on theme selecting and editing discussion:

https://www.howtogeek.com/203803/how-to-create-your-own-firefox-browser-theme/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/themes/

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 8:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

I'm using the dark theme but it didn't make a difference where I needed
it.  I like the dark theme but doesn't seem to affect the light text and
the text box borders which are still damn near invisible.

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Fri, May 03, 2019 8:12 pm
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>

You may rested in Mozilla Dark Theme. Click the hamburger menu | Add-ons
| Themes then use the search box near the top and search for Dark by
Mozilla.

I find it to be much easier on the eyes.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 10:58 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic'
<dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light
that they're almost impossible to see.

 

R

 

 

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
Subject: Browser issue

 

I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit). Somewhere a few weeks or couple of
months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I
have to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead
of black.


 

I can't find any setting that affects this. Does anyone know what's
causing this and how to fix?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat May  4 11:30:44 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 12:30:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Lime Disease
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hxUm4oac58=XWm-imQnkS7JpbE5JqvfQ1-AmJo91Heaw@mail.gmail.com>

Or is it spelled Lhyme Disease? I haven't a clue. But what I want to know
is, Does anyone have a clue about its cause? It seems to break out in
several nations, and I don't know why. Do you?

-- 
Arthur

From eptept at gmail.com  Sat May  4 11:35:26 2019
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 12:35:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Lime Disease
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hxUm4oac58=XWm-imQnkS7JpbE5JqvfQ1-AmJo91Heaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hxUm4oac58=XWm-imQnkS7JpbE5JqvfQ1-AmJo91Heaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWrPVnm9bBrFHW__9GBJEn=7gAYafkMDSXWfi2SFEti5g@mail.gmail.com>

Lyme disease is caused by a bite from a tick.  Ticks have seasons when they
are most prevalent and you have to be careful when working in the garden.
In addition, your dog can bring ticks into the house, even in NYC.  I was
bitten by a tick and had a 3 week round of antibiotics.

On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:31 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Or is it spelled Lhyme Disease? I haven't a clue. But what I want to know
> is, Does anyone have a clue about its cause? It seems to break out in
> several nations, and I don't know why. Do you?
>
> --
> Arthur
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From eptept at gmail.com  Sat May  4 12:04:50 2019
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 13:04:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Lime Disease
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpWrPVnm9bBrFHW__9GBJEn=7gAYafkMDSXWfi2SFEti5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hxUm4oac58=XWm-imQnkS7JpbE5JqvfQ1-AmJo91Heaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpWrPVnm9bBrFHW__9GBJEn=7gAYafkMDSXWfi2SFEti5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpX5+dDd3eou=H0x02-Vb-qvzw58K098=BA_Fj_3X745Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Mine was a rather quick response.  While residing upstate I was on the
Bethlehem Committee on Deer and Ticks, a serious issue upstate.  Lyme can
be easily treated with docycycline (sp?) The ticks can also transmit other
diseases that are not easily treated.  Basically a tick has a 2 year life
span.  For the most part during the first year they don't have Lyme in
their system.  They easily survive even harsh  winters because they have a
sort of built in antifreeze in their system.  Once mature they climb plants
usually about 16 ins. tall and they hang on with two legs.  Pass by and
they grab onto you and you often don't know it. Small ticks can be the size
of a fleck of pepper, so hard to detect.  Sorry, TMI.

On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:35 PM Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lyme disease is caused by a bite from a tick.  Ticks have seasons when
> they are most prevalent and you have to be careful when working in the
> garden.  In addition, your dog can bring ticks into the house, even in
> NYC.  I was bitten by a tick and had a 3 week round of antibiotics.
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:31 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Or is it spelled Lhyme Disease? I haven't a clue. But what I want to know
>> is, Does anyone have a clue about its cause? It seems to break out in
>> several nations, and I don't know why. Do you?
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>

From RockySmolin at bchacc.com  Sat May  4 12:17:05 2019
From: RockySmolin at bchacc.com (RockySmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2019 10:17:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
Message-ID: <20190504101705.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.588e4d6846.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>

I don't think it's a theme problem - I tried a couple of different ones.
 They make things look interesting on those parts of the screen which
Firefox owns, but the forms put up by the web page look the same.  I
don't think the themes affect the web content and that's where my
problem is.  

r


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, May 04, 2019 8:56 am
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

Here is a couple of links you might be interested in. It is a basic on
theme selecting and editing discussion:

https://www.howtogeek.com/203803/how-to-create-your-own-firefox-browser-theme/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/themes/

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 8:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

I'm using the dark theme but it didn't make a difference where I needed
it. I like the dark theme but doesn't seem to affect the light text and
the text box borders which are still damn near invisible.

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Fri, May 03, 2019 8:12 pm
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>

You may rested in Mozilla Dark Theme. Click the hamburger menu | Add-ons
| Themes then use the search box near the top and search for Dark by
Mozilla.

I find it to be much easier on the eyes.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 10:58 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic'
<dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light
that they're almost impossible to see.

 

R

 

 

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
Subject: Browser issue

 

I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit). Somewhere a few weeks or couple of
months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I
have to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead
of black.


 

I can't find any setting that affects this. Does anyone know what's
causing this and how to fix?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat May  4 14:33:42 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 12:33:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
Message-ID: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>

After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I went
to the add on manager and got this information:

 

Starting in Firefox version
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-usin
g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure
if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on technology is modernizing
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
and these Frequently Asked Questions
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-add
on>  for details.

 

And promptly disabled:

 

Adblock Plus

Dark Theme for Firefox

EPUB Reader

Google Translator (!)

And 

LastPass.

 

I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to hunt
down the cause.is pretty high-handed.

 

Now I gotta go find replacements. L

 

Rocky

 


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat May  4 14:35:12 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 12:35:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>

Vivaldi browser?
https://vivaldi.com/


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I went
> to the add on manager and got this information:
>
>
>
> Starting in Firefox version
> <
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-usin
> g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure
> if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on technology is modernizing
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> <
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-add
> on>  for details.
>
>
>
> And promptly disabled:
>
>
>
> Adblock Plus
>
> Dark Theme for Firefox
>
> EPUB Reader
>
> Google Translator (!)
>
> And
>
> LastPass.
>
>
>
> I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
> disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to hunt
> down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
>
>
>
> Now I gotta go find replacements. L
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  4 14:40:58 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 13:40:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2128212526.30010091.1556998858351.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Excellent browser.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: fhtapia at gmail.com
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 12:35:12 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Vivaldi browser?
https://vivaldi.com/


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I went
> to the add on manager and got this information:
>
>
>
> Starting in Firefox version
> <
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-usin
> g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure
> if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on technology is modernizing
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> <
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-add
> on>  for details.
>
>
>
> And promptly disabled:
>
>
>
> Adblock Plus
>
> Dark Theme for Firefox
>
> EPUB Reader
>
> Google Translator (!)
>
> And
>
> LastPass.
>
>
>
> I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
> disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to hunt
> down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
>
>
>
> Now I gotta go find replacements. L
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat May  4 14:57:01 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 12:57:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>

Anyone using Edge?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
fhtapia at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 12:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Vivaldi browser?
https://vivaldi.com/


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I
went
> to the add on manager and got this information:
>
>
>
> Starting in Firefox version
> <
>
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-usin
> g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure
> if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on technology is modernizing
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> <
>
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-add
> on>  for details.
>
>
>
> And promptly disabled:
>
>
>
> Adblock Plus
>
> Dark Theme for Firefox
>
> EPUB Reader
>
> Google Translator (!)
>
> And
>
> LastPass.
>
>
>
> I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
> disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to hunt
> down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
>
>
>
> Now I gotta go find replacements. L
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  4 14:57:15 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 13:57:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <2067882790.30081497.1556999835832.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I do not know whether your problems with FF are about third party functionality disappearing. There has been a push to make FF more secure especially as virtually everything we do on computer today runs through our browser. Some of the applications supported by FF were porous, as they could actually insert code right down to the administration command level...all of those apps are being phased out.  

I don't know if whether the list of apps, you showed, were faulty but they should be able to be easily checked out.

I am currently using FF 66.0.3.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 12:33:42 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I went
to the add on manager and got this information:

 

Starting in Firefox version
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-usin
g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure
if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on technology is modernizing
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
and these Frequently Asked Questions
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-add
on>  for details.

 

And promptly disabled:

 

Adblock Plus

Dark Theme for Firefox

EPUB Reader

Google Translator (!)

And 

LastPass.

 

I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to hunt
down the cause.is pretty high-handed.

 

Now I gotta go find replacements. L

 

Rocky

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  4 14:57:35 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 13:57:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <2103300438.30082089.1556999855825.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

NO.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 12:57:01 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
fhtapia at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 12:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Vivaldi browser?
https://vivaldi.com/


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I
went
> to the add on manager and got this information:
>
>
>
> Starting in Firefox version
> <
>
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-usin
> g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure
> if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on technology is modernizing
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> <
>
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-add
> on>  for details.
>
>
>
> And promptly disabled:
>
>
>
> Adblock Plus
>
> Dark Theme for Firefox
>
> EPUB Reader
>
> Google Translator (!)
>
> And
>
> LastPass.
>
>
>
> I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
> disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to hunt
> down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
>
>
>
> Now I gotta go find replacements. L
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
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_______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May  4 16:03:50 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 07:03:50 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <5CCDFE36.21149.26CE59BF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You're only just finding this out?

It's hardly recent. I can remember discussing this on the OT list whenver 57 came out back in 
November 2017 and  I lost FireFTP.


On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I
> went to the add on manager and got this information:
> 
> 
> 
> Starting in Firefox version
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-ar
> e-usin g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will
> work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on
> technology is modernizing
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizi
> ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firef
> ox-add on>  for details.
> 
> 
> 
> And promptly disabled:
> 
> 
> 
> Adblock Plus
> 
> Dark Theme for Firefox
> 
> EPUB Reader
> 
> Google Translator (!)
> 
> And 
> 
> LastPass.
> 
> 
> 
> I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
> disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to
> hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> 
> 
> 
> Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> 
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May  4 17:20:21 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 08:20:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <5CCE0859.25385.26F5F2D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>,
	<5CCE0859.25385.26F5F2D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5CCE1025.10322.271469B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Ah, you're not actually talking about post-57.

Turns out there's a temporary glitch in FF which should be fixed soon. 

"Late on Friday May 3rd, we became aware of an issue with Firefox that prevented existing 
and new add-ons from running or being installed. We are very sorry for the inconvenience 
caused to people who use Firefox.

Our team has identified and rolled-out a fix for all Firefox Desktop users on Release, Beta 
and Nightly. The fix will be automatically applied in the background within the next few hours. 
No active steps need to be taken to make add-ons work again. In particular, please do not 
delete and/or re-install any add-ons as an attempt to fix the issue. Deleting an add-on 
removes any data associated with it, where disabling and re-enabling does not."



On 5 May 2019 at 7:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Not recent. As I said over at DBA-Tech, this all happened in November
> 2017 and was discussed here at the time.
> 
> Have you not upgraded FF in 18 months?
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So
> > I went to the add on manager and got this information:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Starting in Firefox version
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-
> > ar e-usin g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs
> > will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on
> > technology is modernizing
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-moderni
> > zi ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-fir
> > ef ox-add on>  for details.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And promptly disabled:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adblock Plus
> > 
> > Dark Theme for Firefox
> > 
> > EPUB Reader
> > 
> > Google Translator (!)
> > 
> > And 
> > 
> > LastPass.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to
> > simply disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and
> > leave me to hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May  4 17:23:04 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 08:23:04 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <5CCE1025.10322.271469B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>,
	<5CCE0859.25385.26F5F2D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<5CCE1025.10322.271469B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5CCE10C8.26902.2716E6B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/comment-pag
e-1/

Note:

To provide this fix on short notice, we are using the Studies system. This system is enabled 
by default, and no action is needed unless Studies have been disabled. Firefox users can 
check if they have Studies enabled by going to:

    Firefox Options/Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Allow Firefox to install and run 
studies (scroll down to find the setting)


On 5 May 2019 at 8:20, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Ah, you're not actually talking about post-57.
> 
> Turns out there's a temporary glitch in FF which should be fixed soon.
> 
> 
> "Late on Friday May 3rd, we became aware of an issue with Firefox that
> prevented existing and new add-ons from running or being installed. We
> are very sorry for the inconvenience caused to people who use Firefox.
> 
> Our team has identified and rolled-out a fix for all Firefox Desktop
> users on Release, Beta and Nightly. The fix will be automatically
> applied in the background within the next few hours. No active steps
> need to be taken to make add-ons work again. In particular, please do
> not delete and/or re-install any add-ons as an attempt to fix the
> issue. Deleting an add-on removes any data associated with it, where
> disabling and re-enabling does not."
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2019 at 7:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
> > Not recent. As I said over at DBA-Tech, this all happened in
> > November 2017 and was discussed here at the time.
> > 
> > Have you not upgraded FF in 18 months?
> > 
> > 
> > On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared. 
> > > So I went to the add on manager and got this information:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Starting in Firefox version
> > > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-yo
> > > u- ar e-usin g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions
> > > APIs will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox
> > > add-on technology is modernizing
> > > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-moder
> > > ni zi ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> > > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-f
> > > ir ef ox-add on>  for details.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And promptly disabled:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Adblock Plus
> > > 
> > > Dark Theme for Firefox
> > > 
> > > EPUB Reader
> > > 
> > > Google Translator (!)
> > > 
> > > And 
> > > 
> > > LastPass.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to
> > > simply disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and
> > > leave me to hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From RockySmolin at bchacc.com  Sat May  4 17:25:05 2019
From: RockySmolin at bchacc.com (RockySmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2019 15:25:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=5Bdba-OT=5D_Goodbye_-_Firefox=3F?=
Message-ID: <20190504152505.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.25a95f1e12.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>

So it should be fixed by the time I come home from my afternoon gig. :)

I'm at the Encinitas Library where I'm in a 100th birthday celebration
for Pete Seeger with my folk band Gemini Junction. We were on early and
we go on again at the end.  So I'm killing some time on the library
comp.

r
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Date: Sat, May 04, 2019 3:20 pm
To: Off Topic <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

Ah, you're not actually talking about post-57.

Turns out there's a temporary glitch in FF which should be fixed soon. 

"Late on Friday May 3rd, we became aware of an issue with Firefox that
prevented existing 
and new add-ons from running or being installed. We are very sorry for
the inconvenience 
caused to people who use Firefox.

Our team has identified and rolled-out a fix for all Firefox Desktop
users on Release, Beta 
and Nightly. The fix will be automatically applied in the background
within the next few hours. 
No active steps need to be taken to make add-ons work again. In
particular, please do not 
delete and/or re-install any add-ons as an attempt to fix the issue.
Deleting an add-on 
removes any data associated with it, where disabling and re-enabling
does not."



On 5 May 2019 at 7:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Not recent. As I said over at DBA-Tech, this all happened in November
> 2017 and was discussed here at the time.
> 
> Have you not upgraded FF in 18 months?
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared. So
> > I went to the add on manager and got this information:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Starting in Firefox version
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-
> > ar e-usin g> 57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs
> > will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on
> > technology is modernizing
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-moderni
> > zi ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-fir
> > ef ox-add on> for details.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And promptly disabled:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adblock Plus
> > 
> > Dark Theme for Firefox
> > 
> > EPUB Reader
> > 
> > Google Translator (!)
> > 
> > And 
> > 
> > LastPass.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys. But to
> > simply disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and
> > leave me to hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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From df.waters at outlook.com  Sat May  4 18:12:10 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 23:12:10 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB592927DC0382811E1EFE6CF3F6360@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Yes - I use it to open StarTribune.com.  If I use Edge instead of Chrome then I don't get stopped by a paywall when I do use Chrome to open that site.  Don't know why.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: May 4, 2019 14:57
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
fhtapia at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 12:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Vivaldi browser?
https://vivaldi.com/


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So I
went
> to the add on manager and got this information:
>
>
>
> Starting in Firefox version
> <
>
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-are-usin
> g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs will work. Not sure
> if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on technology is modernizing
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> <
>
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-add
> on>  for details.
>
>
>
> And promptly disabled:
>
>
>
> Adblock Plus
>
> Dark Theme for Firefox
>
> EPUB Reader
>
> Google Translator (!)
>
> And
>
> LastPass.
>
>
>
> I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to simply
> disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and leave me to hunt
> down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
>
>
>
> Now I gotta go find replacements. L
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat May  4 20:37:46 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 18:37:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <5CCE10C8.26902.2716E6B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>,
	<5CCE0859.25385.26F5F2D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<5CCE1025.10322.271469B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<5CCE10C8.26902.2716E6B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <02e201d502e3$2479a000$6d6ce000$@bchacc.com>

And...done!  All my extensions are back.  I really would miss Last Pass. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 3:23 PM
To: Off Topic; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firef
ox/comment-pag
e-1/

Note:

To provide this fix on short notice, we are using the Studies system. This
system is enabled 
by default, and no action is needed unless Studies have been disabled.
Firefox users can 
check if they have Studies enabled by going to:

    Firefox Options/Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Allow Firefox to
install and run 
studies (scroll down to find the setting)


On 5 May 2019 at 8:20, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Ah, you're not actually talking about post-57.
> 
> Turns out there's a temporary glitch in FF which should be fixed soon.
> 
> 
> "Late on Friday May 3rd, we became aware of an issue with Firefox that
> prevented existing and new add-ons from running or being installed. We
> are very sorry for the inconvenience caused to people who use Firefox.
> 
> Our team has identified and rolled-out a fix for all Firefox Desktop
> users on Release, Beta and Nightly. The fix will be automatically
> applied in the background within the next few hours. No active steps
> need to be taken to make add-ons work again. In particular, please do
> not delete and/or re-install any add-ons as an attempt to fix the
> issue. Deleting an add-on removes any data associated with it, where
> disabling and re-enabling does not."
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2019 at 7:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
> > Not recent. As I said over at DBA-Tech, this all happened in
> > November 2017 and was discussed here at the time.
> > 
> > Have you not upgraded FF in 18 months?
> > 
> > 
> > On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared. 
> > > So I went to the add on manager and got this information:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Starting in Firefox version
> > > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-yo
> > > u- ar e-usin g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions
> > > APIs will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox
> > > add-on technology is modernizing
> > > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-moder
> > > ni zi ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> > > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-f
> > > ir ef ox-add on>  for details.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And promptly disabled:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Adblock Plus
> > > 
> > > Dark Theme for Firefox
> > > 
> > > EPUB Reader
> > > 
> > > Google Translator (!)
> > > 
> > > And 
> > > 
> > > LastPass.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to
> > > simply disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and
> > > leave me to hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  5 02:06:30 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 07:06:30 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Rocky

Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very first developer preview beta.
It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.

I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL to demonstrate that, I receive none.

However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the topic seems moot:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come along on our journey.
www.microsoftedgeinsider.com


/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

r

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May  5 10:08:04 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 08:08:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <02f501d50354$571a5f60$054f1e20$@bchacc.com>

There are some sites I go to with Firefox that simply do not work.  Maybe
because of my settings.  I don't know.  But when that happens, I open Edge
and it always works.  But I have no add-ons or restrictions on Edge.  It's
out-of-the-box so to speak.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 12:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Hi Rocky

Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very
first developer preview beta.
It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may
have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace
Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to
have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.

I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL
to demonstrate that, I receive none.

However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the
topic seems moot:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced
our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development
of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our
customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now
we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come
along on our journey.
www.microsoftedgeinsider.com


/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky
Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

r
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  5 10:57:24 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 15:57:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <02f501d50354$571a5f60$054f1e20$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<02f501d50354$571a5f60$054f1e20$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB133721D76D52AEEC550439FECA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Rocky

The only add-on we use is the brilliant Adblock Plus.
An absolute must-have in my opinion.

/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 5. maj 2019 17:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

There are some sites I go to with Firefox that simply do not work.  Maybe
because of my settings.  I don't know.  But when that happens, I open Edge
and it always works.  But I have no add-ons or restrictions on Edge.  It's
out-of-the-box so to speak.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 12:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Hi Rocky

Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very
first developer preview beta.
It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may
have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace
Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to
have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.

I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL
to demonstrate that, I receive none.

However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the
topic seems moot:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced
our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development
of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our
customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now
we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come
along on our journey.
www.microsoftedgeinsider.com<http://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com>


/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky
Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

r

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May  5 11:01:56 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 09:01:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Editing
Message-ID: <02f601d5035b$dd9f4e90$98ddebb0$@bchacc.com>

I shot video last night of a friend's band - about 10GB worth in several mp4
files.  Now I'm looking for some software to do some editing and splicing.
There are a lot of free products on the web and several lists of "the
best.".  I tried Movie Creator but it wasn't very intuitive.  Also looked
cloud based. 

 

Any recommendations?

 

TIA

 

Rocky

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May  5 12:02:00 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 10:02:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB133721D76D52AEEC550439FECA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>	<HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<02f501d50354$571a5f60$054f1e20$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133721D76D52AEEC550439FECA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <030101d50364$41a6efd0$c4f4cf70$@bchacc.com>

Losing Last Pass was the show stopper for me. 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:57 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Hi Rocky

The only add-on we use is the brilliant Adblock Plus.
An absolute must-have in my opinion.

/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky
Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 5. maj 2019 17:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

There are some sites I go to with Firefox that simply do not work.  Maybe
because of my settings.  I don't know.  But when that happens, I open Edge
and it always works.  But I have no add-ons or restrictions on Edge.  It's
out-of-the-box so to speak.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 12:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Hi Rocky

Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very
first developer preview beta.
It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may
have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace
Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to
have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.

I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL
to demonstrate that, I receive none.

However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the
topic seems moot:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced
our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development
of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our
customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now
we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come
along on our journey.
www.microsoftedgeinsider.com<http://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com>


/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky
Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

r
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May  5 13:04:59 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 12:04:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <030101d50364$41a6efd0$c4f4cf70$@bchacc.com>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<02f501d50354$571a5f60$054f1e20$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133721D76D52AEEC550439FECA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<030101d50364$41a6efd0$c4f4cf70$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <1911376101.36726476.1557079499610.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Just for edification:

https://blog.lastpass.com/2017/10/lastpass-beta-firefox-57.html/

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:02:00 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Losing Last Pass was the show stopper for me. 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:57 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Hi Rocky

The only add-on we use is the brilliant Adblock Plus.
An absolute must-have in my opinion.

/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky
Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 5. maj 2019 17:08
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

There are some sites I go to with Firefox that simply do not work.  Maybe
because of my settings.  I don't know.  But when that happens, I open Edge
and it always works.  But I have no add-ons or restrictions on Edge.  It's
out-of-the-box so to speak.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 12:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Hi Rocky

Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very
first developer preview beta.
It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may
have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace
Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to
have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.

I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL
to demonstrate that, I receive none.

However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the
topic seems moot:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced
our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development
of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our
customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now
we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come
along on our journey.
www.microsoftedgeinsider.com<http://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com>


/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky
Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun May  5 13:05:02 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 13:05:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <98746d9b-865e-cedd-821c-ce3d95c8c5e3@earthlink.net>

On 5/5/2019 2:06, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Rocky
>
> Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very first developer preview beta.
> It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.
>
> I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL to demonstrate that, I receive none.

What I didn't like ... some urls didn't work, it was polluted with 
advertising, didn't support extensions, bookmarks & history couldn't be 
synced with android devices, couldn't get rid of the Bing search engine.

PB

>
> However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the topic seems moot:
>
> https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
> Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
> Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come along on our journey.
> www.microsoftedgeinsider.com
>
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
>
> Anyone using Edge?
>
> r
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May  5 13:19:43 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 12:19:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <98746d9b-865e-cedd-821c-ce3d95c8c5e3@earthlink.net>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<98746d9b-865e-cedd-821c-ce3d95c8c5e3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1703150981.36767654.1557080383925.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I have had similar issues with Edge. When the Windows 10 started replacing my default applications is when I drew the line. It replaced my default browser with Edge and my default search engine with Bing that is when I scrubbed from my system.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 11:05:02 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

On 5/5/2019 2:06, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Rocky
>
> Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very first developer preview beta.
> It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.
>
> I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL to demonstrate that, I receive none.

What I didn't like ... some urls didn't work, it was polluted with 
advertising, didn't support extensions, bookmarks & history couldn't be 
synced with android devices, couldn't get rid of the Bing search engine.

PB

>
> However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the topic seems moot:
>
> https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
> Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
> Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come along on our journey.
> www.microsoftedgeinsider.com
>
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
>
> Anyone using Edge?
>
> r
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun May  5 13:26:44 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 11:26:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Editing
In-Reply-To: <02f601d5035b$dd9f4e90$98ddebb0$@bchacc.com>
References: <02f601d5035b$dd9f4e90$98ddebb0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmZTBXcOv_KCoutTt+y2r8Ju3pME8T7cWt0fSxyqyBPTUg@mail.gmail.com>

iMovie
Or if you want to use a more powerful editor there is finalcut.

On PC I guess you can get by with the movie editor. Or for more a more
feature experience get adobe and download premier but I am not really fond
of that product.

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 9:02 AM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I shot video last night of a friend's band - about 10GB worth in several
> mp4
> files.  Now I'm looking for some software to do some editing and splicing.
> There are a lot of free products on the web and several lists of "the
> best.".  I tried Movie Creator but it wasn't very intuitive.  Also looked
> cloud based.
>
>
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May  5 17:13:09 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 16:13:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<CAP+kXmYopWeWqPJm9Xw7fYQCq54ui1+WkwQEbCt9L70Ukk_-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<02cc01d502b3$89ed75e0$9dc861a0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337C5519B3E2624D42A2FBDCA370@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1321908311.37937030.1557094389301.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

One very important reason for not using Edge is that its Edge is about to be replaced. I sincerely doubt that, regardless of what attempts will be made to make the product look similar, with the internal components being replaced, it will function in the same way. When they have conformed to the modern standards, will Edge work in the same way with same/different app. It is because of all the problems with the current version of Edge that MS is replacing and rebranding it. It is a practical decision:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/4/18125238/microsoft-chrome-browser-windows-10-edge-chromium    

If we consider FireFox, Chrome, Vivaldi, Edge and numerous other micro browsers unstable, welcome to the age of computers.
    
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 12:06:30 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Hi Rocky

Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very first developer preview beta.
It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.

I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL to demonstrate that, I receive none.

However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the topic seems moot:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
Microsoft Edge Insider<https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/>
Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come along on our journey.
www.microsoftedgeinsider.com


/gustav

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Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

Anyone using Edge?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May  5 17:22:36 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 16:22:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <20190504152505.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.25a95f1e12.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
References: <20190504152505.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.25a95f1e12.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <1812260320.37961174.1557094956325.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Will we get to see some video on line? 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:25:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?

So it should be fixed by the time I come home from my afternoon gig. :)

I'm at the Encinitas Library where I'm in a 100th birthday celebration
for Pete Seeger with my folk band Gemini Junction. We were on early and
we go on again at the end.  So I'm killing some time on the library
comp.

r
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Date: Sat, May 04, 2019 3:20 pm
To: Off Topic <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

Ah, you're not actually talking about post-57.

Turns out there's a temporary glitch in FF which should be fixed soon. 

"Late on Friday May 3rd, we became aware of an issue with Firefox that
prevented existing 
and new add-ons from running or being installed. We are very sorry for
the inconvenience 
caused to people who use Firefox.

Our team has identified and rolled-out a fix for all Firefox Desktop
users on Release, Beta 
and Nightly. The fix will be automatically applied in the background
within the next few hours. 
No active steps need to be taken to make add-ons work again. In
particular, please do not 
delete and/or re-install any add-ons as an attempt to fix the issue.
Deleting an add-on 
removes any data associated with it, where disabling and re-enabling
does not."



On 5 May 2019 at 7:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Not recent. As I said over at DBA-Tech, this all happened in November
> 2017 and was discussed here at the time.
> 
> Have you not upgraded FF in 18 months?
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared. So
> > I went to the add on manager and got this information:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Starting in Firefox version
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-
> > ar e-usin g> 57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs
> > will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on
> > technology is modernizing
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-moderni
> > zi ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-fir
> > ef ox-add on> for details.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And promptly disabled:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adblock Plus
> > 
> > Dark Theme for Firefox
> > 
> > EPUB Reader
> > 
> > Google Translator (!)
> > 
> > And 
> > 
> > LastPass.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys. But to
> > simply disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and
> > leave me to hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May  5 17:24:04 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 16:24:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <5CCE1025.10322.271469B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>
	<5CCE0859.25385.26F5F2D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<5CCE1025.10322.271469B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1208906976.37963807.1557095044309.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Thanks for the heads up.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:20:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?

Ah, you're not actually talking about post-57.

Turns out there's a temporary glitch in FF which should be fixed soon. 

"Late on Friday May 3rd, we became aware of an issue with Firefox that prevented existing 
and new add-ons from running or being installed. We are very sorry for the inconvenience 
caused to people who use Firefox.

Our team has identified and rolled-out a fix for all Firefox Desktop users on Release, Beta 
and Nightly. The fix will be automatically applied in the background within the next few hours. 
No active steps need to be taken to make add-ons work again. In particular, please do not 
delete and/or re-install any add-ons as an attempt to fix the issue. Deleting an add-on 
removes any data associated with it, where disabling and re-enabling does not."



On 5 May 2019 at 7:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Not recent. As I said over at DBA-Tech, this all happened in November
> 2017 and was discussed here at the time.
> 
> Have you not upgraded FF in 18 months?
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So
> > I went to the add on manager and got this information:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Starting in Firefox version
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-
> > ar e-usin g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs
> > will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on
> > technology is modernizing
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-moderni
> > zi ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-fir
> > ef ox-add on>  for details.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And promptly disabled:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adblock Plus
> > 
> > Dark Theme for Firefox
> > 
> > EPUB Reader
> > 
> > Google Translator (!)
> > 
> > And 
> > 
> > LastPass.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to
> > simply disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and
> > leave me to hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun May  5 17:52:44 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 15:52:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?
In-Reply-To: <1208906976.37963807.1557095044309.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <02c701d502b0$485cab30$d9160190$@bchacc.com>	<5CCE0859.25385.26F5F2D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<5CCE1025.10322.271469B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1208906976.37963807.1557095044309.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000601d50395$4097ac70$c1c70550$@bchacc.com>

Possibly. Not my band. So up to them. But they'll need an on-line presence
of some kind.  New band.  Santana tribute band. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 3:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?

Thanks for the heads up.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>, "Discussion of Hardware and
Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:20:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Goodbye - Firefox?

Ah, you're not actually talking about post-57.

Turns out there's a temporary glitch in FF which should be fixed soon. 

"Late on Friday May 3rd, we became aware of an issue with Firefox that
prevented existing 
and new add-ons from running or being installed. We are very sorry for the
inconvenience 
caused to people who use Firefox.

Our team has identified and rolled-out a fix for all Firefox Desktop users
on Release, Beta 
and Nightly. The fix will be automatically applied in the background within
the next few hours. 
No active steps need to be taken to make add-ons work again. In particular,
please do not 
delete and/or re-install any add-ons as an attempt to fix the issue.
Deleting an add-on 
removes any data associated with it, where disabling and re-enabling does
not."



On 5 May 2019 at 7:47, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Not recent. As I said over at DBA-Tech, this all happened in November
> 2017 and was discussed here at the time.
> 
> Have you not upgraded FF in 18 months?
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2019 at 12:33, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > After the recent Firefox upgrade some of my 'stuff' disappeared.  So
> > I went to the add on manager and got this information:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Starting in Firefox version
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-what-version-firefox-you-
> > ar e-usin g>  57, only extensions built using WebExtensions APIs
> > will work. Not sure if your add-ons are affected? See Firefox add-on
> > technology is modernizing
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-moderni
> > zi ng> and these Frequently Asked Questions
> > <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-fir
> > ef ox-add on>  for details.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And promptly disabled:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adblock Plus
> > 
> > Dark Theme for Firefox
> > 
> > EPUB Reader
> > 
> > Google Translator (!)
> > 
> > And 
> > 
> > LastPass.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know they'[re trying to protect me from the bad guys.  But to
> > simply disable my add-ons without any warning or explanation and
> > leave me to hunt down the cause.is pretty high-handed.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Now I gotta go find replacements. L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun May  5 18:39:18 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2019 09:39:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Video Editing
In-Reply-To: <02f601d5035b$dd9f4e90$98ddebb0$@bchacc.com>
References: <02f601d5035b$dd9f4e90$98ddebb0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <5CCF7426.21335.1F6D301@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The free version fo Lightworks is the best freeware, but it's not intuitive. 
For simple, you could try Videopad.

On 5 May 2019 at 9:01, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I shot video last night of a friend's band - about 10GB worth in
> several mp4 files.  Now I'm looking for some software to do some
> editing and splicing. There are a lot of free products on the web and
> several lists of "the best.".  I tried Movie Creator but it wasn't
> very intuitive.  Also looked cloud based. 
> 
> 
> 
> Any recommendations?
> 
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May  5 23:39:53 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 22:39:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
In-Reply-To: <20190504101705.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.588e4d6846.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
References: <20190504101705.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.588e4d6846.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <870565809.39954346.1557117593720.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Do you have an issue that maybe, going one step further and programming the screen elements might be necessary. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 10:17:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

I don't think it's a theme problem - I tried a couple of different ones.
 They make things look interesting on those parts of the screen which
Firefox owns, but the forms put up by the web page look the same.  I
don't think the themes affect the web content and that's where my
problem is.  

r


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, May 04, 2019 8:56 am
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

Here is a couple of links you might be interested in. It is a basic on
theme selecting and editing discussion:

https://www.howtogeek.com/203803/how-to-create-your-own-firefox-browser-theme/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/themes/

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 8:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

I'm using the dark theme but it didn't make a difference where I needed
it. I like the dark theme but doesn't seem to affect the light text and
the text box borders which are still damn near invisible.

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Fri, May 03, 2019 8:12 pm
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>

You may rested in Mozilla Dark Theme. Click the hamburger menu | Add-ons
| Themes then use the search box near the top and search for Dark by
Mozilla.

I find it to be much easier on the eyes.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 10:58 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic'
<dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light
that they're almost impossible to see.

 

R

 

 

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
Subject: Browser issue

 

I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit). Somewhere a few weeks or couple of
months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I
have to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead
of black.


 

I can't find any setting that affects this. Does anyone know what's
causing this and how to fix?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 00:06:36 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 22:06:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
In-Reply-To: <870565809.39954346.1557117593720.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190504101705.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.588e4d6846.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<870565809.39954346.1557117593720.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Above my pay grade.  And interest. I'll switch browsers.  The world is full
of browsers.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:40 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

Do you have an issue that maybe, going one step further and programming the
screen elements might be necessary. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 10:17:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

I don't think it's a theme problem - I tried a couple of different ones.
 They make things look interesting on those parts of the screen which
Firefox owns, but the forms put up by the web page look the same.  I
don't think the themes affect the web content and that's where my
problem is.  

r


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, May 04, 2019 8:56 am
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

Here is a couple of links you might be interested in. It is a basic on
theme selecting and editing discussion:

https://www.howtogeek.com/203803/how-to-create-your-own-firefox-browser-them
e/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/themes/

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 8:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

I'm using the dark theme but it didn't make a difference where I needed
it. I like the dark theme but doesn't seem to affect the light text and
the text box borders which are still damn near invisible.

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue
From: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Fri, May 03, 2019 8:12 pm
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>

You may rested in Mozilla Dark Theme. Click the hamburger menu | Add-ons
| Themes then use the search box near the top and search for Dark by
Mozilla.

I find it to be much easier on the eyes.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 10:58 AM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic'
<dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Browser issue

Also, borders around text boxes to be filled by the user are so light
that they're almost impossible to see.

 

R

 

 

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:43 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic'
Subject: Browser issue

 

I'm using Firefox 66.0.2 (64 bit). Somewhere a few weeks or couple of
months ago something change and on pages with text - especially where I
have to fill in name, address, etc., the text is in light gray instead
of black.


 

I can't find any setting that affects this. Does anyone know what's
causing this and how to fix?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  6 01:39:51 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 00:39:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uber's database
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gwp-=Ho23sge6a3o_o=Yt+41Z3CP4X8RdQoOGVJ0E-8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gwp-=Ho23sge6a3o_o=Yt+41Z3CP4X8RdQoOGVJ0E-8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438504510.40613167.1557124791063.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Our main citizen's surveillance agency, the NSA, stores over 29 petabytes of data, on us, every day.

Jim  

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:05:03 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uber's database

It's over 100 petabytes. Wow.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  6 01:43:20 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 00:43:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB133725AA70948F3EEC10FB3BCA3E0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <016301d4fc56$12c897f0$3859c7d0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133725AA70948F3EEC10FB3BCA3E0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

As George R.R. Martin says:

http://bit.ly/2VQM7ZQ

Jim

From df.waters at outlook.com  Mon May  6 07:58:13 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 12:58:13 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uber's database
In-Reply-To: <1438504510.40613167.1557124791063.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1gwp-=Ho23sge6a3o_o=Yt+41Z3CP4X8RdQoOGVJ0E-8w@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB592931F6DFE0C677D818BDA8F6300@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

There! They just got another email from Dan. Save that!



________________________________
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 1:39:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Uber's database

Our main citizen's surveillance agency, the NSA, stores over 29 petabytes of data, on us, every day.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:05:03 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uber's database

It's over 100 petabytes. Wow.

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From RockySmolin at bchacc.com  Mon May  6 08:34:56 2019
From: RockySmolin at bchacc.com (RockySmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2019 06:34:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uber's database
Message-ID: <20190506063456.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.99abeaca08.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>

Canada?

r

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Uber's database
From: Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Date: Sun, May 05, 2019 11:39 pm
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

Our main citizen's surveillance agency, the NSA, stores over 29
petabytes of data, on us, every day.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:05:03 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uber's database

It's over 100 petabytes. Wow.

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon May  6 12:58:58 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 11:58:58 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?
Message-ID: <45d01da6-020f-43be-9122-9770e858de2b@localhost>



Sent using myEarthLink

On Sun May 05 12:19:43 MDT 2019 Jim Lawrence wrote:
I have had similar issues with Edge. When the Windows 10 started replacing my default applications is when I drew the line. It replaced my default browser with Edge and my default search engine with Bing that is when I scrubbed from my system.

yeah i'd forgotten those treats, ugh

PB

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: "peter brawley" <

peter.brawley at earthlink.net (mailto:peter.brawley at earthlink.net)

>

To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <

dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com (mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)

>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 11:05:02 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Goodbye - Firefox?

On 5/5/2019 2:06, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Rocky
>
> Indeed. We use it throughout our office, and I have used it since the very first developer preview beta.
> It is beyond me why so many - in the light of what other troubles you may have with a pc - waste time on installing third-party browsers to replace Edge that actually works with zero issues. Typically, Chrome is chosen, to have your complete online history tracked by Google. I don't get it.
>
> I know, that many claims Edge "not to work", but when I have asked for a URL to demonstrate that, I receive none.

What I didn't like ... some urls didn't work, it was polluted with
advertising, didn't support extensions, bookmarks & history couldn't be
synced with android devices, couldn't get rid of the Bing search engine.

PB

>
> However, now when its EdgeHTML engine will be replaced with Chromium, the topic seems moot:
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/
>
>
>
> Microsoft Edge Insider<
>
>
> https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us
>
> />
> Making the web a better place for everyone. Back in December, we announced our intention to adopt the Chromium open source project in the development of Microsoft Edge on the desktop to create better web compatibility for our customers, and less fragmentation of the web for all web developers. Now we're ready to show you what we've been working on, and invite you to come along on our journey.
>
>
>
>
> www.microsoftedgeinsider.com (http://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com)
>
>
>
>
> /gustav
>
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> >
> Sendt: 4. maj 2019 21:57
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue May  7 13:25:22 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 13:25:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
Message-ID: <ccf9bbe7-e1e6-5239-ce1f-c260dff0e13f@earthlink.net>

https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-excel-for-common-tasks/

PB

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue May  7 13:49:12 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 18:49:12 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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Googleheads

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https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-excel-for-common-tasks/

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue May  7 16:00:59 2019
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 17:00:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] On coding alone
In-Reply-To: <5CCB5227.18356.1C5E3EC9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1h2DrdgVfxE6-i7MeURg448fXZT_BDRDXE8UxazzTKMXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hpOgJNX6JpTOpjYAzwfLF8VEe+gX84gkNoJx=gq+tXYA@mail.gmail.com>
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LOL.? Can I get a bag of that popcorn?

On 5/2/2019 4:25 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Oh Boy! Wait while I ge the popcorn.
>
> We haven't had a rerun  of the "Natural v ANPK and do link tables need a separate ANPK"
> debate for years.
>
>
-- 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue May  7 18:51:18 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 18:51:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> Googleheads

WindowsHeads

PB

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> https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-excel-for-common-tasks/
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed May  8 00:24:09 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 05:24:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D

I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is just more fanboy marketing.

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On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> Googleheads

WindowsHeads

PB

-----

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> https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-excel-for-common-tasks/
>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed May  8 15:21:20 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 15:21:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
>
> I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is just more fanboy marketing.

So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel 
doesn't, odd.

PB

-----

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>
> On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
>> Googleheads
> WindowsHeads
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>>
>> https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-excel-for-common-tasks/
>>
>> PB
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed May  8 15:50:17 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 13:50:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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Change is hard for lots of people and the one glaring thing that google
sheets has over Microsoft is the offer of free use.  I think you still need
a license last time I checked to use excel 365 online. There was a free
trial but that?s hardly the same thing as google?s Free offering.

Still I rather use what?s available and I?m still and excel guy because
work pays for 365. For all my personal stuff I use apple?s numbers app or
Google?s sheets.

Simple enough everywhere.


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:21 PM Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a
> Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
> >
> > I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is just
> more fanboy marketing.
>
> So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel
> doesn't, odd.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> > To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> >
> > On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> >> Googleheads
> > WindowsHeads
> >
> > PB
> >
> > -----
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
> >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> >>
> >>
> https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-excel-for-common-tasks/
> >>
> >> PB
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed May  8 17:30:52 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 22:30:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
In-Reply-To: <c3e6434b-170c-c569-3b68-3af72c141077@earthlink.net>
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No, I was implying the article was slanted in favor of someone's favorite (or through marketing money's).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 3:21 PM
To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel

On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a 
> Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
>
> I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is just more fanboy marketing.

So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel doesn't, odd.

PB

-----

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Peter Brawley
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>
> On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
>> Googleheads
> WindowsHeads
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
>> Peter Brawley
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues 
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>>
>> https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-exc
>> el-for-common-tasks/
>>
>> PB
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed May  8 17:30:52 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 22:30:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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For personal use. Does that make it better? What I see is continually incompetent Microsoft marketing and much more competent Google marketing.
FI - There was a recent security info article concerning Gmail and O365mail being targeted for attacks against their IMAP protocols. There was reportedly a 44% success rate.

I never once heard the article repeated with Gmail involved, it was always mentioning O365. And while Gmail users had to use IMAP in the past, honestly WTF do you have IMAP turned on with O365?! Every device in the last decade supports Exchange protocol. MS Marketing = crap. Google fanboy marketing = Mac fanboy marketing of old.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of fhtapia at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 3:50 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel

Change is hard for lots of people and the one glaring thing that google sheets has over Microsoft is the offer of free use.  I think you still need a license last time I checked to use excel 365 online. There was a free trial but that?s hardly the same thing as google?s Free offering.

Still I rather use what?s available and I?m still and excel guy because work pays for 365. For all my personal stuff I use apple?s numbers app or Google?s sheets.

Simple enough everywhere.


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:21 PM Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a
> Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
> >
> > I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is 
> > just
> more fanboy marketing.
>
> So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel 
> doesn't, odd.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> > To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> >
> > On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> >> Googleheads
> > WindowsHeads
> >
> > PB
> >
> > -----
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
> >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> >>
> >>
> https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-exce
> l-for-common-tasks/
> >>
> >> PB
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed May  8 21:41:41 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 19:41:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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hardly... Apple marketing is "It just Werks" and the fact is... it does ;)
lol
-Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>




On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:31 PM John Bartow via dba-Tech <
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> For personal use. Does that make it better? What I see is continually
> incompetent Microsoft marketing and much more competent Google marketing.
> FI - There was a recent security info article concerning Gmail and
> O365mail being targeted for attacks against their IMAP protocols. There was
> reportedly a 44% success rate.
>
> I never once heard the article repeated with Gmail involved, it was always
> mentioning O365. And while Gmail users had to use IMAP in the past,
> honestly WTF do you have IMAP turned on with O365?! Every device in the
> last decade supports Exchange protocol. MS Marketing = crap. Google fanboy
> marketing = Mac fanboy marketing of old.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> fhtapia at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 3:50 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>
> Change is hard for lots of people and the one glaring thing that google
> sheets has over Microsoft is the offer of free use.  I think you still need
> a license last time I checked to use excel 365 online. There was a free
> trial but that?s hardly the same thing as google?s Free offering.
>
> Still I rather use what?s available and I?m still and excel guy because
> work pays for 365. For all my personal stuff I use apple?s numbers app or
> Google?s sheets.
>
> Simple enough everywhere.
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:21 PM Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > > Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a
> > Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
> > >
> > > I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is
> > > just
> > more fanboy marketing.
> >
> > So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel
> > doesn't, odd.
> >
> > PB
> >
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> > Peter Brawley
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> > > To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > >
> > > On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > >> Googleheads
> > > WindowsHeads
> > >
> > > PB
> > >
> > > -----
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> > Peter Brawley
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
> > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > >>
> > >>
> > https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-exce
> > l-for-common-tasks/
> > >>
> > >> PB
> > >> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  9 13:34:02 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 12:34:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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Hi All:

My SiL uses Apple consistently. They wear out as all computer products do. His actual work is with Linux, he just uses the Apple terminal emulator so when he says he works on an Apple, technically he is correct but practical he is not. ;-)

Jim 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:41:41 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel

hardly... Apple marketing is "It just Werks" and the fact is... it does ;)
lol
-Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>




On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:31 PM John Bartow via dba-Tech <
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> For personal use. Does that make it better? What I see is continually
> incompetent Microsoft marketing and much more competent Google marketing.
> FI - There was a recent security info article concerning Gmail and
> O365mail being targeted for attacks against their IMAP protocols. There was
> reportedly a 44% success rate.
>
> I never once heard the article repeated with Gmail involved, it was always
> mentioning O365. And while Gmail users had to use IMAP in the past,
> honestly WTF do you have IMAP turned on with O365?! Every device in the
> last decade supports Exchange protocol. MS Marketing = crap. Google fanboy
> marketing = Mac fanboy marketing of old.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> fhtapia at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 3:50 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>
> Change is hard for lots of people and the one glaring thing that google
> sheets has over Microsoft is the offer of free use.  I think you still need
> a license last time I checked to use excel 365 online. There was a free
> trial but that?s hardly the same thing as google?s Free offering.
>
> Still I rather use what?s available and I?m still and excel guy because
> work pays for 365. For all my personal stuff I use apple?s numbers app or
> Google?s sheets.
>
> Simple enough everywhere.
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:21 PM Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > > Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a
> > Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
> > >
> > > I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is
> > > just
> > more fanboy marketing.
> >
> > So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel
> > doesn't, odd.
> >
> > PB
> >
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> > Peter Brawley
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> > > To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > >
> > > On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > >> Googleheads
> > > WindowsHeads
> > >
> > > PB
> > >
> > > -----
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> > Peter Brawley
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
> > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > >>
> > >>
> > https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-exce
> > l-for-common-tasks/
> > >>
> > >> PB
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> dba-Tech mailing list
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> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri May 10 08:54:21 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 06:54:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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I had a 2007 mbp that I used continuously until 2017. Yes I did upgrade to
an ssd around 2013 when I bought an iMac. Still for all work not at my desk
I was working with my mbp through the end of 2017 when the screen ribbon
finally gave out. I had windows VMs running in there and it hummed along
just fine for most major tasks. Except for gaming after 2010 this little
machine served me well. Along those same lines my iMac is continuously
reliable and is my main home machine. I do have a windows machine but it?s
too old to even run windows 10 anymore. I had a nuc but even that failed
after 2 years.  As with everything ymmv but it?s been my experience that
generally the hardware on the macs is extremely reliable.


On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:49 AM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> My SiL uses Apple consistently. They wear out as all computer products do.
> His actual work is with Linux, he just uses the Apple terminal emulator so
> when he says he works on an Apple, technically he is correct but practical
> he is not. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fhtapia at gmail.com
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:41:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>
> hardly... Apple marketing is "It just Werks" and the fact is... it does ;)
> lol
> -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:31 PM John Bartow via dba-Tech <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:
>
> > For personal use. Does that make it better? What I see is continually
> > incompetent Microsoft marketing and much more competent Google marketing.
> > FI - There was a recent security info article concerning Gmail and
> > O365mail being targeted for attacks against their IMAP protocols. There
> was
> > reportedly a 44% success rate.
> >
> > I never once heard the article repeated with Gmail involved, it was
> always
> > mentioning O365. And while Gmail users had to use IMAP in the past,
> > honestly WTF do you have IMAP turned on with O365?! Every device in the
> > last decade supports Exchange protocol. MS Marketing = crap. Google
> fanboy
> > marketing = Mac fanboy marketing of old.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> > fhtapia at gmail.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 3:50 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> >
> > Change is hard for lots of people and the one glaring thing that google
> > sheets has over Microsoft is the offer of free use.  I think you still
> need
> > a license last time I checked to use excel 365 online. There was a free
> > trial but that?s hardly the same thing as google?s Free offering.
> >
> > Still I rather use what?s available and I?m still and excel guy because
> > work pays for 365. For all my personal stuff I use apple?s numbers app or
> > Google?s sheets.
> >
> > Simple enough everywhere.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:21 PM Peter Brawley <
> peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > > > Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a
> > > Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
> > > >
> > > > I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is
> > > > just
> > > more fanboy marketing.
> > >
> > > So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel
> > > doesn't, odd.
> > >
> > > PB
> > >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> > > Peter Brawley
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> > > > To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > > >
> > > > On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > > >> Googleheads
> > > > WindowsHeads
> > > >
> > > > PB
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> > > Peter Brawley
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
> > > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-exce
> > > l-for-common-tasks/
> > > >>
> > > >> PB
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> dba-Tech mailing list
> > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > > >
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > >
> > --
> > -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 10 09:20:29 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 14:20:29 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] mbp and nuc (was: google sheets vs excel)
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB13376476FB7735FB3F1590F6CA0C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Eh ...? a "2007 mbp" and a "nuc"?? 

And what is "too old" to run Windows 10? My 12 years old HP Pavilion runs Windows 10, not the latest build, but still.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af fhtapia at gmail.com
Sendt: 10. maj 2019 15:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel

I had a 2007 mbp that I used continuously until 2017. Yes I did upgrade to an ssd around 2013 when I bought an iMac. Still for all work not at my desk I was working with my mbp through the end of 2017 when the screen ribbon finally gave out. I had windows VMs running in there and it hummed along just fine for most major tasks. Except for gaming after 2010 this little machine served me well. Along those same lines my iMac is continuously reliable and is my main home machine. I do have a windows machine but it?s too old to even run windows 10 anymore. I had a nuc but even that failed after 2 years.  As with everything ymmv but it?s been my experience that generally the hardware on the macs is extremely reliable.


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri May 10 12:08:13 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 17:08:13 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
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Agreed - Mac hardware is awesome! If only they'd allow for upgrading the older models to the latest OS many would still be up to date and used as such. Some of my print shops have old OS9 jelly beans running yet. I have an eMac that runs just fine and I keep it around just because it stills has OS9 capabilities and Photoshop on it. My Macbook is fairly old but works fine. Only worry is that eventually it will be counted out for the latest OS upgrade.

Some PCs work forever too. Have an Optiplex (original XP rig) that's from 2003. Runs Windows 10 now. I also have a Win98 PC from 1999. I start it up every now and then for kicks, and then turn it off. I had a client using a Windows 3.0 PC as a machine controller. Didn't know she had it. Non connected and, obviously never cleaned. It died last year from overheating. It was like a clothes dryer's lint filter in there.

But low end consumer PCs? For the most crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of fhtapia at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 8:54 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel

I had a 2007 mbp that I used continuously until 2017. Yes I did upgrade to an ssd around 2013 when I bought an iMac. Still for all work not at my desk I was working with my mbp through the end of 2017 when the screen ribbon finally gave out. I had windows VMs running in there and it hummed along just fine for most major tasks. Except for gaming after 2010 this little machine served me well. Along those same lines my iMac is continuously reliable and is my main home machine. I do have a windows machine but it?s too old to even run windows 10 anymore. I had a nuc but even that failed after 2 years.  As with everything ymmv but it?s been my experience that generally the hardware on the macs is extremely reliable.


On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:49 AM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> My SiL uses Apple consistently. They wear out as all computer products do.
> His actual work is with Linux, he just uses the Apple terminal 
> emulator so when he says he works on an Apple, technically he is 
> correct but practical he is not. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fhtapia at gmail.com
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:41:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>
> hardly... Apple marketing is "It just Werks" and the fact is... it 
> does ;) lol -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:31 PM John Bartow via dba-Tech < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:
>
> > For personal use. Does that make it better? What I see is 
> > continually incompetent Microsoft marketing and much more competent Google marketing.
> > FI - There was a recent security info article concerning Gmail and 
> > O365mail being targeted for attacks against their IMAP protocols. 
> > There
> was
> > reportedly a 44% success rate.
> >
> > I never once heard the article repeated with Gmail involved, it was
> always
> > mentioning O365. And while Gmail users had to use IMAP in the past, 
> > honestly WTF do you have IMAP turned on with O365?! Every device in 
> > the last decade supports Exchange protocol. MS Marketing = crap. 
> > Google
> fanboy
> > marketing = Mac fanboy marketing of old.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> > fhtapia at gmail.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 3:50 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < 
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> >
> > Change is hard for lots of people and the one glaring thing that 
> > google sheets has over Microsoft is the offer of free use.  I think 
> > you still
> need
> > a license last time I checked to use excel 365 online. There was a 
> > free trial but that?s hardly the same thing as google?s Free offering.
> >
> > Still I rather use what?s available and I?m still and excel guy 
> > because work pays for 365. For all my personal stuff I use apple?s 
> > numbers app or Google?s sheets.
> >
> > Simple enough everywhere.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:21 PM Peter Brawley <
> peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/8/2019 0:24, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > > > Office 365 works on every device I've ever tried it on even a
> > > Chromebook. So it has little to do with Windows anymore. :-D
> > > >
> > > > I use both. I'm not an Excel fanboy but I think the statement is 
> > > > just
> > > more fanboy marketing.
> > >
> > > So preferring googlesheets indicates fanboyism, preferring excel 
> > > doesn't, odd.
> > >
> > > PB
> > >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf 
> > > > Of
> > > Peter Brawley
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:51 PM
> > > > To: John Bartow via dba-Tech <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > > >
> > > > On 5/7/2019 13:49, John Bartow via dba-Tech wrote:
> > > >> Googleheads
> > > > WindowsHeads
> > > >
> > > > PB
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On 
> > > >> Behalf Of
> > > Peter Brawley
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:25 PM
> > > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > https://qz.com/1611622/google-sheets-is-now-better-than-microsoft-
> > > exce
> > > l-for-common-tasks/
> > > >>
> > > >> PB
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> dba-Tech mailing list
> > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >>
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> > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > > >>
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> > _______________________________________________
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri May 10 12:23:28 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 17:23:28 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] mbp and nuc (was: google sheets vs excel)
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13376476FB7735FB3F1590F6CA0C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I've installed Win10 on a lot of old stuff! I have USB with Win10 Install on it. Sometimes I install Win10 on old devices (even though it won't activate) just to see if it'll work. Then they get recycled ?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 9:20 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] mbp and nuc (was: google sheets vs excel)

Eh ...? a "2007 mbp" and a "nuc"?? 

And what is "too old" to run Windows 10? My 12 years old HP Pavilion runs Windows 10, not the latest build, but still.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 10. maj 2019 15:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel

I had a 2007 mbp that I used continuously until 2017. Yes I did upgrade to an ssd around 2013 when I bought an iMac. Still for all work not at my desk I was working with my mbp through the end of 2017 when the screen ribbon finally gave out. I had windows VMs running in there and it hummed along just fine for most major tasks. Except for gaming after 2010 this little machine served me well. Along those same lines my iMac is continuously reliable and is my main home machine. I do have a windows machine but it?s too old to even run windows 10 anymore. I had a nuc but even that failed after 2 years.  As with everything ymmv but it?s been my experience that generally the hardware on the macs is extremely reliable.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri May 10 15:27:35 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 13:27:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] mbp and nuc (was: google sheets vs excel)
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13376476FB7735FB3F1590F6CA0C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13376476FB7735FB3F1590F6CA0C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Mbp = MacBookPro, Nuc = Next Unit of Computing current models run Windows
10 w/o incident. This machine that I have is from 2012 and can?t be updated
into windows 8 or 10. It runs windows 7 pro just fine tho. I suspect it?s
the video card.

I may buy another more modern NUC just because it?s nice to have windows on
metal, but windows in a vm is soooooo reliable!!!

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 7:22 AM Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Eh ...? a "2007 mbp" and a "nuc"??
>
> And what is "too old" to run Windows 10? My 12 years old HP Pavilion runs
> Windows 10, not the latest build, but still.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af
> fhtapia at gmail.com
> Sendt: 10. maj 2019 15:54
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] google sheets vs excel
>
> I had a 2007 mbp that I used continuously until 2017. Yes I did upgrade to
> an ssd around 2013 when I bought an iMac. Still for all work not at my desk
> I was working with my mbp through the end of 2017 when the screen ribbon
> finally gave out. I had windows VMs running in there and it hummed along
> just fine for most major tasks. Except for gaming after 2010 this little
> machine served me well. Along those same lines my iMac is continuously
> reliable and is my main home machine. I do have a windows machine but it?s
> too old to even run windows 10 anymore. I had a nuc but even that failed
> after 2 years.  As with everything ymmv but it?s been my experience that
> generally the hardware on the macs is extremely reliable.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> --
-Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May 11 11:47:33 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 10:47:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting Started
In-Reply-To: <111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <016301d4fc56$12c897f0$3859c7d0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133725AA70948F3EEC10FB3BCA3E0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <195074612.44760514.1557593253581.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Here is a link to how to setup your first Raspberry PI. Some local friends have been asking so someone here may be interested:

https://maker.pro/raspberry-pi/tutorial/how-to-install-raspbian-on-your-raspberry-pi-sd-card

Aside: As the IoTs has been called one of the next big growth markets in the computer world, its time to start automating your home...or not. I would like to put face recognition at my front door but my wife says that I look like every other old man:

https://www.pyimagesearch.com/2018/06/25/raspberry-pi-face-recognition/ 

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 12 11:53:14 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 10:53:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security on your network
In-Reply-To: <111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <016301d4fc56$12c897f0$3859c7d0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133725AA70948F3EEC10FB3BCA3E0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <302709964.51986182.1557679994930.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

This system has been discussed here a number of times. Last night for fun, with a cousin, we setup a basic PFsense server, on a older "beater box". It will take awhile until all the options and setting are completed. On Wednesday, another friend is coming over and is using the opportunity to get up to speed as he is expecting to be requested to setup an insurance company's UTM, Unified Threat Management application. This, of course, all depends on the weather. If it is raining we will play indoors, if not, we play out doors.

I have setup a PFSense box but settled for most of the defaults which in retrospect was not the best approach but then the client was not able to pay for my learning curve. Does anyone else have any first hand experience using this network security system. I am hoping at one point to have a near perfected image available, both 32 and 64 bit, that anyone can download. (Linux/FreeBSD applications are not that dependent on the hardware of a host computer and will, for the most part, automatically adapt, to any network, Windows, Linux, Apple or BSD.) 

There is a minimum requirement of a PFSense server:

CPU 600 MHz or faster
RAM 512 MB or more
4 GB or larger disk drive (SSD, HDD, etc)
One or more compatible network interface cards (this requirement sort of excludes laptops)
Bootable USB drive or CD/DVD-ROM for initial installation
 
Jim   

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 12 12:09:44 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 11:09:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skills for writing code
In-Reply-To: <111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <016301d4fc56$12c897f0$3859c7d0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133725AA70948F3EEC10FB3BCA3E0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <754070431.52097303.1557680984664.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Five (New!) Skills You Need For Writing Better Code.

Once you've mastered the more technical aspects of coding, there's still plenty of learning left to be done. Check out the next set of skills to tackle.

https://dzone.com/articles/5-new-skills-you-need-for-writing-a-better-code

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 12 13:15:06 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 12:15:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <016301d4fc56$12c897f0$3859c7d0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133725AA70948F3EEC10FB3BCA3E0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1666219183.52452575.1557684906003.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

I have not done significant work with Cisco equipment for a number of years now but at the time both Cisco and Juniper had a number of backdoors in their equipment and hence the high interest in the software solutions like PFSense. Today I checked to see if Cisco had improved it record... It has but not in a good way.

According, the following article, five new holes have been discovered in Cisco, in only five months. That record is atrocious. Conspiracy theorists have been claiming that the NSA have been demanding such backdoors but I think it is because the Cisco operating system is proprietary. They should get with the times and an open source solution forces everyone to keep honest and also ends up acquiring a significant amount of assistance from systems people around the world:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html

After the above article link, the post wouldn't be complete without a link to the discussion about the "Elephant in the room", the now ubiquitous 5G provider, Huawei  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3rYBNc1yA

Jim     

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 14 05:21:29 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 06:21:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h0L+1L_pnFHCWCvFc09rmfKKwT4YCJFAUv5QCFtQ6A1g@mail.gmail.com>

I am writing a Word document, which contains two pics snipped from the net.
I saved these to disk and then pasted them into the document; so far all is
well. But I want to place the pics side by side, not above-and-beneath. I
cannot figure out how to do this. They will fit side by side, and that
ready comparison is essential to the point of the document. Think of a
Before And After poster or something similar: it can't be effective without
side-by-side comparison.
Susan is our acknowledge Professor Emeritus of Word, so at the risk of
redundancy I'm cc'ing her for an expert opinion, which is not to slight any
of you retired developers, but just in case of massive failure, Susan H.
Harkins is my Go-To expert.
In case anyone cares, when I'm done I shall be happy to email you a copy
when the piece is ready, although I prefer that point as expressed by W.H.
Auden, "A poem is never finished, but only abandoned." Which recalls the
writer in a Russian (English? they share many similar flaws) novel who has
been rewriting the first sentence of the first paragraph of his forthcoming
novel, for twenty years, and remains unsatisfied.


-- 
Arthur

From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue May 14 07:00:55 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 12:00:55 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h0L+1L_pnFHCWCvFc09rmfKKwT4YCJFAUv5QCFtQ6A1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h0L+1L_pnFHCWCvFc09rmfKKwT4YCJFAUv5QCFtQ6A1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB592949590655785FC59DC1A9F6080@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur - this one's easy!

Right-click on each picture.  

Select 'Size and Position ...'

Click the 'Text Wrapping' tab on top.

Click on 'In front of text' or 'Behind text'.

Now you can click on the picture and move it wherever you need it!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 14, 2019 5:21
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document

I am writing a Word document, which contains two pics snipped from the net.
I saved these to disk and then pasted them into the document; so far all is
well. But I want to place the pics side by side, not above-and-beneath. I
cannot figure out how to do this. They will fit side by side, and that
ready comparison is essential to the point of the document. Think of a
Before And After poster or something similar: it can't be effective without
side-by-side comparison.
Susan is our acknowledge Professor Emeritus of Word, so at the risk of
redundancy I'm cc'ing her for an expert opinion, which is not to slight any
of you retired developers, but just in case of massive failure, Susan H.
Harkins is my Go-To expert.
In case anyone cares, when I'm done I shall be happy to email you a copy
when the piece is ready, although I prefer that point as expressed by W.H.
Auden, "A poem is never finished, but only abandoned." Which recalls the
writer in a Russian (English? they share many similar flaws) novel who has
been rewriting the first sentence of the first paragraph of his forthcoming
novel, for twenty years, and remains unsatisfied.


-- 
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue May 14 08:10:52 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 09:10:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB592949590655785FC59DC1A9F6080@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h0L+1L_pnFHCWCvFc09rmfKKwT4YCJFAUv5QCFtQ6A1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM6PR05MB592949590655785FC59DC1A9F6080@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jA8VX+8-g6a3v9EAwFOywacKkbcPrz5FziYD4tvXteKw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a ton, Dan. A new trick learned, and the day is young.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:01 AM Daniel Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur - this one's easy!
>
> Right-click on each picture.
>
> Select 'Size and Position ...'
>
> Click the 'Text Wrapping' tab on top.
>
> Click on 'In front of text' or 'Behind text'.
>
> Now you can click on the picture and move it wherever you need it!
>
> Good Luck!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: May 14, 2019 5:21
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document
>
> I am writing a Word document, which contains two pics snipped from the net.
> I saved these to disk and then pasted them into the document; so far all is
> well. But I want to place the pics side by side, not above-and-beneath. I
> cannot figure out how to do this. They will fit side by side, and that
> ready comparison is essential to the point of the document. Think of a
> Before And After poster or something similar: it can't be effective without
> side-by-side comparison.
> Susan is our acknowledge Professor Emeritus of Word, so at the risk of
> redundancy I'm cc'ing her for an expert opinion, which is not to slight any
> of you retired developers, but just in case of massive failure, Susan H.
> Harkins is my Go-To expert.
> In case anyone cares, when I'm done I shall be happy to email you a copy
> when the piece is ready, although I prefer that point as expressed by W.H.
> Auden, "A poem is never finished, but only abandoned." Which recalls the
> writer in a Russian (English? they share many similar flaws) novel who has
> been rewriting the first sentence of the first paragraph of his forthcoming
> novel, for twenty years, and remains unsatisfied.
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Arthur

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue May 14 08:19:51 2019
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 09:19:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jA8VX+8-g6a3v9EAwFOywacKkbcPrz5FziYD4tvXteKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h0L+1L_pnFHCWCvFc09rmfKKwT4YCJFAUv5QCFtQ6A1g@mail.gmail.com>	<DM6PR05MB592949590655785FC59DC1A9F6080@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1jA8VX+8-g6a3v9EAwFOywacKkbcPrz5FziYD4tvXteKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <035e01d50a57$b7251170$256f3450$@gmail.com>

I just wrote about this a few months ago Arthur -- glad someone answered you
more quickly than I did. 

There are several position and wrap properties that you can use to get just
what you need. But this one -- the one Dan describes fixes about 90% of what
we need. 

Susan H. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 9:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document

Thanks a ton, Dan. A new trick learned, and the day is young.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:01 AM Daniel Waters <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur - this one's easy!
>
> Right-click on each picture.
>
> Select 'Size and Position ...'
>
> Click the 'Text Wrapping' tab on top.
>
> Click on 'In front of text' or 'Behind text'.
>
> Now you can click on the picture and move it wherever you need it!
>
> Good Luck!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: May 14, 2019 5:21
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Align pics in a Word document
>
> I am writing a Word document, which contains two pics snipped from the
net.
> I saved these to disk and then pasted them into the document; so far 
> all is well. But I want to place the pics side by side, not 
> above-and-beneath. I cannot figure out how to do this. They will fit 
> side by side, and that ready comparison is essential to the point of 
> the document. Think of a Before And After poster or something similar: 
> it can't be effective without side-by-side comparison.
> Susan is our acknowledge Professor Emeritus of Word, so at the risk of 
> redundancy I'm cc'ing her for an expert opinion, which is not to 
> slight any of you retired developers, but just in case of massive failure,
Susan H.
> Harkins is my Go-To expert.
> In case anyone cares, when I'm done I shall be happy to email you a 
> copy when the piece is ready, although I prefer that point as expressed by
W.H.
> Auden, "A poem is never finished, but only abandoned." Which recalls 
> the writer in a Russian (English? they share many similar flaws) novel 
> who has been rewriting the first sentence of the first paragraph of 
> his forthcoming novel, for twenty years, and remains unsatisfied.
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed May 15 02:51:35 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 03:51:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Which OS?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hpdQADZOGR1=8HxqW0EX70hfhyPq+anBV9oZR4BEDGTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not that I'm anywhere even close to JWC's hardware. but in my modest way, I
do what I can. The principal box runs Linux Mint, and the two others run
Windows 10 and WIndows 7. Once in a while I switch to the Win10 box. The
trusty HP tower serves files.
The point I was trying to make is that the OS is insignificant. I can
barely tell the difference.

-- 
Arthur

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed May 15 16:21:15 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 14:21:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Which OS?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hpdQADZOGR1=8HxqW0EX70hfhyPq+anBV9oZR4BEDGTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hpdQADZOGR1=8HxqW0EX70hfhyPq+anBV9oZR4BEDGTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmb5C=EhTyHZ4xoFisPr5dtfTJQm=6YYu04aW6bkdy5fmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Are you running sql server on Linux? I haven?t yet gotten around to doing
more than the install ;)
Lol

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:52 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not that I'm anywhere even close to JWC's hardware. but in my modest way, I
> do what I can. The principal box runs Linux Mint, and the two others run
> Windows 10 and WIndows 7. Once in a while I switch to the Win10 box. The
> trusty HP tower serves files.
> The point I was trying to make is that the OS is insignificant. I can
> barely tell the difference.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
-- 
-Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri May 17 09:33:57 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 07:33:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iSgZaSxC-SPBKZie9SZx1=h+Kgzp+vPEosY9N4c5F-YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iSgZaSxC-SPBKZie9SZx1=h+Kgzp+vPEosY9N4c5F-YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1fc85cfc-a52f-4320-b1ad-a3261ba3b4f4@Spark>

Have you checked out Amarok? It?s decent.
On Mar 13, 2019, 5:48 PM -0700, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Slowly but surely, I crawl my way to comfort in Linux.I am determined. Is
> there a Linux equivalent to MediaMonkey?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _____________________________________________

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri May 17 09:44:19 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 10:44:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gfR-=wSjtfvjzSEgXoFRO-FpRxMF3yvbUmc0_zGd0F7A@mail.gmail.com>

<Preamble>
Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder why I
have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro, and
her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs Android,
and so does the phone.
</Preamble>
I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and clearly
I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My provider
claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
additional prophylactics?
Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for asking
this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my hardware,m
plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the others
only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw. I
grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri May 17 11:33:57 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 12:33:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
In-Reply-To: <1fc85cfc-a52f-4320-b1ad-a3261ba3b4f4@Spark>
References: <CAEPJO1iSgZaSxC-SPBKZie9SZx1=h+Kgzp+vPEosY9N4c5F-YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1fc85cfc-a52f-4320-b1ad-a3261ba3b4f4@Spark>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jtxgs65OsY_sC6++JcgH0qBtm0BeD9EfjNNa-G2pW6UA@mail.gmail.com>

Not yet. But thanks to you, I shall.
An aside, due totally to your suname. According to a recent invesigative
reporting article, about 74% of the sushi sold in Canada is fake. They sell
Tilapia and pretend it's tuna, and so on. You think you're buying
yellowtail and it turns out to be pickerel; alleged sea bass turns out to
be basa.
Maybe the best choice is to just eat squirrels. They are easily caught, and
dumb as a sack of hammers, and also come in several flavours -- red, grey
and spotted (those are rare).

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you checked out Amarok? It?s decent.
> On Mar 13, 2019, 5:48 PM -0700, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>,
> wrote:
> > Slowly but surely, I crawl my way to comfort in Linux.I am determined. Is
> > there a Linux equivalent to MediaMonkey?
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _____________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Arthur

From eptept at gmail.com  Fri May 17 11:44:03 2019
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 12:44:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jtxgs65OsY_sC6++JcgH0qBtm0BeD9EfjNNa-G2pW6UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iSgZaSxC-SPBKZie9SZx1=h+Kgzp+vPEosY9N4c5F-YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1fc85cfc-a52f-4320-b1ad-a3261ba3b4f4@Spark>
	<CAEPJO1jtxgs65OsY_sC6++JcgH0qBtm0BeD9EfjNNa-G2pW6UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpU0qrFUOcPE0fAFrD+feMDc-Zz5iG8+VueHzONtKcKuyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur, you can't mistake tilapia for tuna, color for one and texture for
the other.  Tuna is salt water, tilapia is fresh water, mostly farmed.  You
need to check your facts, please.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:34 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not yet. But thanks to you, I shall.
> An aside, due totally to your suname. According to a recent invesigative
> reporting article, about 74% of the sushi sold in Canada is fake. They sell
> Tilapia and pretend it's tuna, and so on. You think you're buying
> yellowtail and it turns out to be pickerel; alleged sea bass turns out to
> be basa.
> Maybe the best choice is to just eat squirrels. They are easily caught, and
> dumb as a sack of hammers, and also come in several flavours -- red, grey
> and spotted (those are rare).
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you checked out Amarok? It?s decent.
> > On Mar 13, 2019, 5:48 PM -0700, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> > > Slowly but surely, I crawl my way to comfort in Linux.I am determined.
> Is
> > > there a Linux equivalent to MediaMonkey?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > _____________________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From RockySmolin at bchacc.com  Fri May 17 13:37:23 2019
From: RockySmolin at bchacc.com (RockySmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 11:37:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
Message-ID: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>

I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it. 

R


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

<Preamble>
Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
why I
have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro, and
her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs Android,
and so does the phone.
</Preamble>
I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
clearly
I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
provider
claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
additional prophylactics?
Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
asking
this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
hardware,m
plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
others
only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
I
grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

-- 
Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat May 18 09:28:55 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 07:28:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
In-Reply-To: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmYyBk3qJD+LwoRGOV_GH6sRZHY3vJy7Q2UgFM4zR78icQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Arthur

If you were describing setting up a personal VPN such as your mint box
would be the server and maybe you use your android tablet when traveling,
This could be a excellent inexpensive solution because when traveling and
using other people?s networks, not using a vpn can be a big issue
especially if you do any sort of online banking.

However, if you meant it more so that all your own communications to the
web would be further encrypted, you will need to pay for a 3rd party
service. Depending on your location that might be a good idea, as some
online services are geolocated and a vpn can help mitigate that so you can
catchup on GOT ( Game of Thrones) or what not.

Remember that not all vpns are built the same, some have logging or simply
ip logging. Both which are a bad idea, because if that services is
compromised it?s bad for your data.

Ultimately remember that VPNs only protect the data in flight, so using
online services where you commit your data (fb, Twitter, google) can still
track you once you?ve logged in.

Hth,
Francisco Tapia

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM <RockySmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
> know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
> you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
> I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it.
>
> R
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
> From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> <Preamble>
> Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
> why I
> have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
> squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro, and
> her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs Android,
> and so does the phone.
> </Preamble>
> I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
> clearly
> I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
> provider
> claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
> additional prophylactics?
> Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
> asking
> this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
> hardware,m
> plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
> others
> only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
> together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
> overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
> I
> grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
-Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat May 18 10:16:24 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 11:16:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmYyBk3qJD+LwoRGOV_GH6sRZHY3vJy7Q2UgFM4zR78icQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<CAP+kXmYyBk3qJD+LwoRGOV_GH6sRZHY3vJy7Q2UgFM4zR78icQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jiMHdbgcPT7kjW8+nBXtaPNdjWNqw9hEoqOkmYj6GnEA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info, Francisco. Given my limited needs I think I don't need
any of this additional software. Now that I'm ostensibly retired (As
Michael Corleone said in Godfather, "I keep trying to get out, but they
keep dragging me back in." That is the story of my life in coding. I know
more about your business than you do.  I know the innards and the twists
and the short-circuits. It's all held in confidence; that''s why you hire
me. End of Story.

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:29 AM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Arthur
>
> If you were describing setting up a personal VPN such as your mint box
> would be the server and maybe you use your android tablet when traveling,
> This could be a excellent inexpensive solution because when traveling and
> using other people?s networks, not using a vpn can be a big issue
> especially if you do any sort of online banking.
>
> However, if you meant it more so that all your own communications to the
> web would be further encrypted, you will need to pay for a 3rd party
> service. Depending on your location that might be a good idea, as some
> online services are geolocated and a vpn can help mitigate that so you can
> catchup on GOT ( Game of Thrones) or what not.
>
> Remember that not all vpns are built the same, some have logging or simply
> ip logging. Both which are a bad idea, because if that services is
> compromised it?s bad for your data.
>
> Ultimately remember that VPNs only protect the data in flight, so using
> online services where you commit your data (fb, Twitter, google) can still
> track you once you?ve logged in.
>
> Hth,
> Francisco Tapia
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM <RockySmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
> > know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
> > you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
> > I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
> > From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> > <Preamble>
> > Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
> > why I
> > have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
> > squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro, and
> > her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs Android,
> > and so does the phone.
> > </Preamble>
> > I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
> > clearly
> > I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
> > provider
> > claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
> > additional prophylactics?
> > Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
> > asking
> > this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
> > hardware,m
> > plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
> > others
> > only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
> > together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
> > overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
> > I
> > grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Arthur

From eptept at gmail.com  Sun May 19 07:47:24 2019
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 08:47:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jiMHdbgcPT7kjW8+nBXtaPNdjWNqw9hEoqOkmYj6GnEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<CAP+kXmYyBk3qJD+LwoRGOV_GH6sRZHY3vJy7Q2UgFM4zR78icQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jiMHdbgcPT7kjW8+nBXtaPNdjWNqw9hEoqOkmYj6GnEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWiCmnCJ+z1dzOn1m5OVcVtHrkpwWn+faBsxCioqVtSHw@mail.gmail.com>

What the hell are you talking about in your post, rambling at best...Not a
criticism, just wonder where you're coming from...

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:16 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the info, Francisco. Given my limited needs I think I don't need
> any of this additional software. Now that I'm ostensibly retired (As
> Michael Corleone said in Godfather, "I keep trying to get out, but they
> keep dragging me back in." That is the story of my life in coding. I know
> more about your business than you do.  I know the innards and the twists
> and the short-circuits. It's all held in confidence; that''s why you hire
> me. End of Story.
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:29 AM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Arthur
> >
> > If you were describing setting up a personal VPN such as your mint box
> > would be the server and maybe you use your android tablet when traveling,
> > This could be a excellent inexpensive solution because when traveling and
> > using other people?s networks, not using a vpn can be a big issue
> > especially if you do any sort of online banking.
> >
> > However, if you meant it more so that all your own communications to the
> > web would be further encrypted, you will need to pay for a 3rd party
> > service. Depending on your location that might be a good idea, as some
> > online services are geolocated and a vpn can help mitigate that so you
> can
> > catchup on GOT ( Game of Thrones) or what not.
> >
> > Remember that not all vpns are built the same, some have logging or
> simply
> > ip logging. Both which are a bad idea, because if that services is
> > compromised it?s bad for your data.
> >
> > Ultimately remember that VPNs only protect the data in flight, so using
> > online services where you commit your data (fb, Twitter, google) can
> still
> > track you once you?ve logged in.
> >
> > Hth,
> > Francisco Tapia
> >
> > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM <RockySmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
> > > know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
> > > you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
> > > I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it.
> > >
> > > R
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
> > > From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > > Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >
> > > <Preamble>
> > > Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
> > > why I
> > > have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
> > > squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro,
> and
> > > her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs
> Android,
> > > and so does the phone.
> > > </Preamble>
> > > I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
> > > clearly
> > > I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
> > > provider
> > > claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
> > > additional prophylactics?
> > > Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
> > > asking
> > > this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
> > > hardware,m
> > > plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
> > > others
> > > only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
> > > together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
> > > overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
> > > I
> > > grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
> > -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun May 19 08:22:55 2019
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 08:22:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpWiCmnCJ+z1dzOn1m5OVcVtHrkpwWn+faBsxCioqVtSHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<CAP+kXmYyBk3qJD+LwoRGOV_GH6sRZHY3vJy7Q2UgFM4zR78icQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jiMHdbgcPT7kjW8+nBXtaPNdjWNqw9hEoqOkmYj6GnEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpWiCmnCJ+z1dzOn1m5OVcVtHrkpwWn+faBsxCioqVtSHw@mail.gmail.com>
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FYI, this is the DBA-Tech list.  Not DBA-OT.

GK

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:47 AM Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What the hell are you talking about in your post, rambling at best...Not a
> criticism, just wonder where you're coming from...
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:16 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the info, Francisco. Given my limited needs I think I don't need
> > any of this additional software. Now that I'm ostensibly retired (As
> > Michael Corleone said in Godfather, "I keep trying to get out, but they
> > keep dragging me back in." That is the story of my life in coding. I know
> > more about your business than you do.  I know the innards and the twists
> > and the short-circuits. It's all held in confidence; that''s why you hire
> > me. End of Story.
> >
> > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:29 AM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Arthur
> > >
> > > If you were describing setting up a personal VPN such as your mint box
> > > would be the server and maybe you use your android tablet when traveling,
> > > This could be a excellent inexpensive solution because when traveling and
> > > using other people?s networks, not using a vpn can be a big issue
> > > especially if you do any sort of online banking.
> > >
> > > However, if you meant it more so that all your own communications to the
> > > web would be further encrypted, you will need to pay for a 3rd party
> > > service. Depending on your location that might be a good idea, as some
> > > online services are geolocated and a vpn can help mitigate that so you
> > can
> > > catchup on GOT ( Game of Thrones) or what not.
> > >
> > > Remember that not all vpns are built the same, some have logging or
> > simply
> > > ip logging. Both which are a bad idea, because if that services is
> > > compromised it?s bad for your data.
> > >
> > > Ultimately remember that VPNs only protect the data in flight, so using
> > > online services where you commit your data (fb, Twitter, google) can
> > still
> > > track you once you?ve logged in.
> > >
> > > Hth,
> > > Francisco Tapia
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM <RockySmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
> > > > know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
> > > > you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
> > > > I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it.
> > > >
> > > > R
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
> > > > From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
> > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >
> > > > <Preamble>
> > > > Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
> > > > why I
> > > > have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
> > > > squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro,
> > and
> > > > her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs
> > Android,
> > > > and so does the phone.
> > > > </Preamble>
> > > > I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
> > > > clearly
> > > > I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
> > > > provider
> > > > claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
> > > > additional prophylactics?
> > > > Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
> > > > asking
> > > > this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
> > > > hardware,m
> > > > plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
> > > > others
> > > > only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
> > > > together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
> > > > overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
> > > > I
> > > > grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Arthur
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > --
> > > -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From eptept at gmail.com  Sun May 19 08:26:56 2019
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 09:26:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
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OK, I apologize to Arthur and will go away.

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 9:23 AM Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI, this is the DBA-Tech list.  Not DBA-OT.
>
> GK
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:47 AM Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What the hell are you talking about in your post, rambling at best...Not
> a
> > criticism, just wonder where you're coming from...
> >
> > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:16 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the info, Francisco. Given my limited needs I think I don't
> need
> > > any of this additional software. Now that I'm ostensibly retired (As
> > > Michael Corleone said in Godfather, "I keep trying to get out, but they
> > > keep dragging me back in." That is the story of my life in coding. I
> know
> > > more about your business than you do.  I know the innards and the
> twists
> > > and the short-circuits. It's all held in confidence; that''s why you
> hire
> > > me. End of Story.
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:29 AM <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Arthur
> > > >
> > > > If you were describing setting up a personal VPN such as your mint
> box
> > > > would be the server and maybe you use your android tablet when
> traveling,
> > > > This could be a excellent inexpensive solution because when
> traveling and
> > > > using other people?s networks, not using a vpn can be a big issue
> > > > especially if you do any sort of online banking.
> > > >
> > > > However, if you meant it more so that all your own communications to
> the
> > > > web would be further encrypted, you will need to pay for a 3rd party
> > > > service. Depending on your location that might be a good idea, as
> some
> > > > online services are geolocated and a vpn can help mitigate that so
> you
> > > can
> > > > catchup on GOT ( Game of Thrones) or what not.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that not all vpns are built the same, some have logging or
> > > simply
> > > > ip logging. Both which are a bad idea, because if that services is
> > > > compromised it?s bad for your data.
> > > >
> > > > Ultimately remember that VPNs only protect the data in flight, so
> using
> > > > online services where you commit your data (fb, Twitter, google) can
> > > still
> > > > track you once you?ve logged in.
> > > >
> > > > Hth,
> > > > Francisco Tapia
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM <RockySmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want
> anyone to
> > > > > know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications
> between
> > > > > you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of
> these,
> > > > > I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it.
> > > > >
> > > > > R
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
> > > > > From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > > > > Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
> > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > <Preamble>
> > > > > Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might
> wonder
> > > > > why I
> > > > > have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My
> main
> > > > > squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10
> Pro,
> > > and
> > > > > her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs
> > > Android,
> > > > > and so does the phone.
> > > > > </Preamble>
> > > > > I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
> > > > > clearly
> > > > > I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
> > > > > provider
> > > > > claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I
> need
> > > > > additional prophylactics?
> > > > > Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
> > > > > asking
> > > > > this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
> > > > > hardware,m
> > > > > plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting
> the
> > > > > others
> > > > > only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes
> speak
> > > > > together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
> > > > > overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer.
> Wpw.
> > > > > I
> > > > > grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Arthur
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -Francisco <http://twitter.com/seecoolguy>
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 19 14:00:34 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 13:00:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
In-Reply-To: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <1182536679.109392912.1558292434183.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

To my understanding, most VPNs are used by businesses who need a secure tunnel between offices and departments...but OTOH, just knowing that the personal use of a VPN, obscures an individual's identity and therefore robs our internet owners and controllers from profiting from our travels is pleasing. It may be little more than an almost insignificant gesture but if you can not change what is at least a person doesn't have to feed the beast.

OTOH, I have found the best application (free, open source and runs on all platforms) is OpenSSH software. Many businesses I know use this product. (I.E.: the Canadian banks):

https://www.openssh.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSSH

A general list of users is the who's who of business:

https://www.openssh.com/users.html

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:37:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.

I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it. 

R


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

<Preamble>
Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
why I
have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro, and
her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs Android,
and so does the phone.
</Preamble>
I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
clearly
I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
provider
claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
additional prophylactics?
Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
asking
this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
hardware,m
plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
others
only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
I
grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

-- 
Arthur
_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 19 14:19:53 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 13:19:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Enterprize crash
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References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
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Hi All:

It appears that my Enterprise Server 2008 is having some problems. After a decade away from "the business" and Microsoft in general, my skill sets at resolving the issues related to the server are not as clear as they use to be. 

The server would not boot up in normal mode but it will boot up in safe mode with network functionality. There is no apparent hardware issues(?) and a boot message suggests a recent forced update from MS may be the problem... At this point it should be fairly easy for isolate and fix the problem(?). If any systems guy, here, more familiar, with the appropriate approach to resolve the situation, would be able to provide commentary, please do so.

What would be the best diagnostic applications or procedures to follow?
  
MTIA
Jim

From jason at purplecone.com  Sun May 19 14:27:00 2019
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 15:27:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Enterprize crash
In-Reply-To: <1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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I would start by uninstalling recent updates.

On Sun, May 19, 2019, 3:20 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> It appears that my Enterprise Server 2008 is having some problems. After a
> decade away from "the business" and Microsoft in general, my skill sets at
> resolving the issues related to the server are not as clear as they use to
> be.
>
> The server would not boot up in normal mode but it will boot up in safe
> mode with network functionality. There is no apparent hardware issues(?)
> and a boot message suggests a recent forced update from MS may be the
> problem... At this point it should be fairly easy for isolate and fix the
> problem(?). If any systems guy, here, more familiar, with the appropriate
> approach to resolve the situation, would be able to provide commentary,
> please do so.
>
> What would be the best diagnostic applications or procedures to follow?
>
> MTIA
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 19 16:36:39 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 15:36:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
In-Reply-To: <1182536679.109392912.1558292434183.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1182536679.109392912.1558292434183.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1328179328.110153199.1558301799922.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

PS: I have never installed SSH on any Microsoft product but understand the SSH client is now installed in all MS distributions by default. I am not sure whether that also means that an SSH server is installed on servers as well. 

As for Debian Linux distributions, of which Ubuntu, Mint and dozens of other distros, are part of, the installation process for your very own SSH server is very simple:

http://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/05/31/enable-secure-shell-ssh-service-ubuntu-18-04/

(Just three or four lines of code that can be cut and pasted.) I think regardless of what ever system you have the process is as equally easy. For example:

https://hostadvice.com/how-to/how-to-install-an-openssh-server-client-on-a-windows-2016-server/

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:00:34 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.

Hi All:

To my understanding, most VPNs are used by businesses who need a secure tunnel between offices and departments...but OTOH, just knowing that the personal use of a VPN, obscures an individual's identity and therefore robs our internet owners and controllers from profiting from our travels is pleasing. It may be little more than an almost insignificant gesture but if you can not change what is at least a person doesn't have to feed the beast.

OTOH, I have found the best application (free, open source and runs on all platforms) is OpenSSH software. Many businesses I know use this product. (I.E.: the Canadian banks):

https://www.openssh.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSSH

A general list of users is the who's who of business:

https://www.openssh.com/users.html

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:37:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.

I think  The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it. 

R


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>

<Preamble>
Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
why I
have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro, and
her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs Android,
and so does the phone.
</Preamble>
I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
clearly
I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
provider
claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
additional prophylactics?
Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
asking
this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
hardware,m
plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
others
only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
I
grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

-- 
Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 19 16:45:50 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 15:45:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Enterprize crash
In-Reply-To: <1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1776945624.110191543.1558302350143.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

PS: I think I have solved the problem...at least for now. 

I ran the apps, at the command mode, as an administror:

sfc /scannow

and then upon reboot, the following was run:

chkdsk c: /f

If anyone has further thoughts please let me know.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:19:53 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Enterprize crash

Hi All:

It appears that my Enterprise Server 2008 is having some problems. After a decade away from "the business" and Microsoft in general, my skill sets at resolving the issues related to the server are not as clear as they use to be. 

The server would not boot up in normal mode but it will boot up in safe mode with network functionality. There is no apparent hardware issues(?) and a boot message suggests a recent forced update from MS may be the problem... At this point it should be fairly easy for isolate and fix the problem(?). If any systems guy, here, more familiar, with the appropriate approach to resolve the situation, would be able to provide commentary, please do so.

What would be the best diagnostic applications or procedures to follow?
  
MTIA
Jim
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun May 19 18:02:23 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 17:02:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Enterprize crash
In-Reply-To: <CABq0EbAeBHLiLLuKVVbDSg=zMH2OsHGJ5V00QKJk-XgUwWy6hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<CABq0EbAeBHLiLLuKVVbDSg=zMH2OsHGJ5V00QKJk-XgUwWy6hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <427146488.110556985.1558306943222.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Thank you Jason...much appreciated.

If my first two apps, as listed in a subsequent post, had not apparently solved the problem that would have been the next attempt. Other people have said to always be vigilant about third-party drivers supplied by Microsoft. The issues I have had may be still there so I will keep your recommendation as a backup plan. I was, at one point, thinking of attempting a non-destructive upgrade from my original disks but have not done that process in years...so am a little apprehensive. 

If anything fails within the next year, Linux kernel, in 2020, will have a fully built-in option of ZFS and then I will just backup, upgrade to a distro of Linux using 4.19 core. Maybe Microsoft will also support such an option along with NTFS 5.1.(?) as they do on Azure (?). I would like to have the ability of having a self-healing, self replicating drives and with unlimited roll-backs. Also unlimited drives can be clustered into a single drive with the same self-healing characteristics, in the event of drive failure.

Jim  

PS: If you ever have a problem deciding which Linux distro is right for you check out the following and that should help you narrow down the list. This list is not fully current and I believe every computer science student graduating with a PHD, must build their own Linux version. ;-)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Strickland" <jason at purplecone.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:27:00 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server 2008 Enterprize crash

I would start by uninstalling recent updates.

On Sun, May 19, 2019, 3:20 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> It appears that my Enterprise Server 2008 is having some problems. After a
> decade away from "the business" and Microsoft in general, my skill sets at
> resolving the issues related to the server are not as clear as they use to
> be.
>
> The server would not boot up in normal mode but it will boot up in safe
> mode with network functionality. There is no apparent hardware issues(?)
> and a boot message suggests a recent forced update from MS may be the
> problem... At this point it should be fairly easy for isolate and fix the
> problem(?). If any systems guy, here, more familiar, with the appropriate
> approach to resolve the situation, would be able to provide commentary,
> please do so.
>
> What would be the best diagnostic applications or procedures to follow?
>
> MTIA
> Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 20 14:32:09 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 13:32:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
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Coming from the coast, I agree with Ed on this. 

If you can get the link to that article you have read, I would love to give the author a piece of my mind. Of course you do live in Ford Toronto, so any reality, no matter how bazaar is possible.

It should be interesting to note that Tuna is one of the few fishes that does not have to flash frozen, in liquid nitrogen, so to make it safe for human consumption, raw. The taste of tuna served either with sushi or quickly brazed is beautifully delicate with an unmistakable flavour and texture. :-)

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 9:44:03 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey

Arthur, you can't mistake tilapia for tuna, color for one and texture for
the other.  Tuna is salt water, tilapia is fresh water, mostly farmed.  You
need to check your facts, please.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:34 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not yet. But thanks to you, I shall.
> An aside, due totally to your suname. According to a recent invesigative
> reporting article, about 74% of the sushi sold in Canada is fake. They sell
> Tilapia and pretend it's tuna, and so on. You think you're buying
> yellowtail and it turns out to be pickerel; alleged sea bass turns out to
> be basa.
> Maybe the best choice is to just eat squirrels. They are easily caught, and
> dumb as a sack of hammers, and also come in several flavours -- red, grey
> and spotted (those are rare).
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you checked out Amarok? It?s decent.
> > On Mar 13, 2019, 5:48 PM -0700, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> > > Slowly but surely, I crawl my way to comfort in Linux.I am determined.
> Is
> > > there a Linux equivalent to MediaMonkey?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > _____________________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
>
>
> --
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon May 20 15:57:32 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 15:57:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
In-Reply-To: <1213606360.116789513.1558380729243.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1iSgZaSxC-SPBKZie9SZx1=h+Kgzp+vPEosY9N4c5F-YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1fc85cfc-a52f-4320-b1ad-a3261ba3b4f4@Spark>
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On 5/20/2019 14:32, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Coming from the coast, I agree with Ed on this.
>
> If you can get the link to that article you have read, I would love to give the author a piece of my mind. Of course you do live in Ford Toronto, so any reality, no matter how bazaar is possible.

Or bizarre, but the Forsd and Conrad Black notwithstanding, Toronto has 
no corner on Trumpoid arses---we don't call Alberta "Canada's Texas" for 
nuthin'.

IIRC this thread started as a question about a Media Monkey equivalent 
on Linux. Arthur could you not run MM is a Win VM under Linux?

PB

>
> It should be interesting to note that Tuna is one of the few fishes that does not have to flash frozen, in liquid nitrogen, so to make it safe for human consumption, raw. The taste of tuna served either with sushi or quickly brazed is beautifully delicate with an unmistakable flavour and texture. :-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 9:44:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
>
> Arthur, you can't mistake tilapia for tuna, color for one and texture for
> the other.  Tuna is salt water, tilapia is fresh water, mostly farmed.  You
> need to check your facts, please.
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:34 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not yet. But thanks to you, I shall.
>> An aside, due totally to your suname. According to a recent invesigative
>> reporting article, about 74% of the sushi sold in Canada is fake. They sell
>> Tilapia and pretend it's tuna, and so on. You think you're buying
>> yellowtail and it turns out to be pickerel; alleged sea bass turns out to
>> be basa.
>> Maybe the best choice is to just eat squirrels. They are easily caught, and
>> dumb as a sack of hammers, and also come in several flavours -- red, grey
>> and spotted (those are rare).
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you checked out Amarok? It?s decent.
>>> On Mar 13, 2019, 5:48 PM -0700, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>,
>>> wrote:
>>>> Slowly but surely, I crawl my way to comfort in Linux.I am determined.
>> Is
>>>> there a Linux equivalent to MediaMonkey?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> _____________________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>> --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 20 16:20:18 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 15:20:18 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
In-Reply-To: <82a1090a-224f-0b31-0906-ce6517b9008d@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1iSgZaSxC-SPBKZie9SZx1=h+Kgzp+vPEosY9N4c5F-YQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I am sorry about that. I should have looked at the forum before commenting. 

As to a Media Monkey equivalent, Peter, I think your idea's a good one. I do not know all the features of Media Monkey so I do not know if there is an exact match but that said, there are a host of alternatives that one article listed:

https://alternativeto.net/software/mediamonkey/?platform=linux

Aside: Alberta did have a social democratic government for about four to five years before being replaced by some guy named Keith Gerein, who has promised to govern with humility. We usually give a leader a three month grace period before we pile on: http://bit.ly/2HF8rfX

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 1:57:32 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey

On 5/20/2019 14:32, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Coming from the coast, I agree with Ed on this.
>
> If you can get the link to that article you have read, I would love to give the author a piece of my mind. Of course you do live in Ford Toronto, so any reality, no matter how bazaar is possible.

Or bizarre, but the Forsd and Conrad Black notwithstanding, Toronto has 
no corner on Trumpoid arses---we don't call Alberta "Canada's Texas" for 
nuthin'.

IIRC this thread started as a question about a Media Monkey equivalent 
on Linux. Arthur could you not run MM is a Win VM under Linux?

PB

>
> It should be interesting to note that Tuna is one of the few fishes that does not have to flash frozen, in liquid nitrogen, so to make it safe for human consumption, raw. The taste of tuna served either with sushi or quickly brazed is beautifully delicate with an unmistakable flavour and texture. :-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 9:44:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MediaMonkey
>
> Arthur, you can't mistake tilapia for tuna, color for one and texture for
> the other.  Tuna is salt water, tilapia is fresh water, mostly farmed.  You
> need to check your facts, please.
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:34 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not yet. But thanks to you, I shall.
>> An aside, due totally to your suname. According to a recent invesigative
>> reporting article, about 74% of the sushi sold in Canada is fake. They sell
>> Tilapia and pretend it's tuna, and so on. You think you're buying
>> yellowtail and it turns out to be pickerel; alleged sea bass turns out to
>> be basa.
>> Maybe the best choice is to just eat squirrels. They are easily caught, and
>> dumb as a sack of hammers, and also come in several flavours -- red, grey
>> and spotted (those are rare).
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you checked out Amarok? It?s decent.
>>> On Mar 13, 2019, 5:48 PM -0700, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>,
>>> wrote:
>>>> Slowly but surely, I crawl my way to comfort in Linux.I am determined.
>> Is
>>>> there a Linux equivalent to MediaMonkey?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> _____________________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon May 20 23:35:44 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 21:35:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
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Ssh is a great tool and when paired with full encryption key pairs (private public keys) never use ssh with just a password, it?s only a matter of time to crack it, instead always go through the effort of creating a private public key pair.

Having said that, ssh can be used as a vpn by using something like putty to setup a socks proxy. It?s not as easy as a vpn and each application must be configured to use the socks proxy.

As I stated before using public WiFi networks like your local coffee shop are the ideal reason to use a vpn or ssh setup. Keeping your communications private from would be attackers.


On May 19, 2019, 2:37 PM -0700, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>, wrote:
> PS: I have never installed SSH on any Microsoft product but understand the SSH client is now installed in all MS distributions by default. I am not sure whether that also means that an SSH server is installed on servers as well.
>
> As for Debian Linux distributions, of which Ubuntu, Mint and dozens of other distros, are part of, the installation process for your very own SSH server is very simple:
>
> http://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/05/31/enable-secure-shell-ssh-service-ubuntu-18-04/
>
> (Just three or four lines of code that can be cut and pasted.) I think regardless of what ever system you have the process is as equally easy. For example:
>
> https://hostadvice.com/how-to/how-to-install-an-openssh-server-client-on-a-windows-2016-server/
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "accessd" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:00:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
>
> Hi All:
>
> To my understanding, most VPNs are used by businesses who need a secure tunnel between offices and departments...but OTOH, just knowing that the personal use of a VPN, obscures an individual's identity and therefore robs our internet owners and controllers from profiting from our travels is pleasing. It may be little more than an almost insignificant gesture but if you can not change what is at least a person doesn't have to feed the beast.
>
> OTOH, I have found the best application (free, open source and runs on all platforms) is OpenSSH software. Many businesses I know use this product. (I.E.: the Canadian banks):
>
> https://www.openssh.com/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSSH
>
> A general list of users is the who's who of business:
>
> https://www.openssh.com/users.html
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <RockySmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:37:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
>
> I think The primary reason for a VPN is that you don?t want anyone to
> know the websites that you?re visiting, or the communications between
> you and others via the web. Since I don?t worry about either of these,
> I looked into the idea of a VPN and decided I didn?t need it.
>
> R
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [dba-Tech] To V. or Not to V.
> From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, May 17, 2019 7:44 am
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>
> <Preamble>
> Given my status as a senior and semi-retired person, you might wonder
> why I
> have four computers -- make that five, if you include my phone. My main
> squeeze runs Mint 19. Her neighbour on the East side runs Win10 Pro, and
> her neighbour on the East side runs Window7. The LG tablet runs Android,
> and so does the phone.
> </Preamble>
> I've just read an article about setting up one's personal VPN, and
> clearly
> I need hand-holding. The first question is, why do I want one? My
> provider
> claims to provide secure protection from intruders, so why do I need
> additional prophylactics?
> Given my acknowledged status as an old fart, please forgive me for
> asking
> this. Why do I need a VPN? And also, given the disparity of my
> hardware,m
> plus the fact that mainly I live on the Mint 19 laptop, visiting the
> others
> only occasionally, is there a recipe for making all these boxes speak
> together, and all of them speak tmy two printers? I am totally
> overwhelmed... and to think I once considered myself a programmer. Wpw.
> I
> grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed May 22 10:00:17 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:00:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>

One aspect of robotics that completely escapes me is the need to make them
similar to mammals and arachnopods (not insects, since they have 8 legs not
6); i.e. the presumption that such bots will need legs capable of climbing
a staircase, and arms capable of opening a can of pork&beans using either
their very sharp nails or perhaps a convention can-opener.
I want to question the central premise of such experiments. Why should bots
bear any resemblance to us bipeds or dogs or cats or spiders? Why not think
way outside the margins instead? One possible answer is that evolution has
demonstrated that these architectures work: cheetahs can run faster than
any other mammal, eagles can spot a mouse from 300 feet, humans can
identify minuscule genetic differences and justify the murder of millions
of people (where do you want to start that discussion? South Africa,
Rwanda, Korea, China, and let's not forget the Americas, where entire
civilisations were murdered.) I digress, sometimes I can't help it. Call it
a political form of ADHD. Does training RAI (a term I just coined which
stands for Robotic Artificial Intelligence) to emulate human behaviour mean
that these machines will learn from us how to murder millions of people,
take all their assets and hide them in Swiss and offshore money laundries?
Is that what we want robots to learn?
IMO, the Roomba is the way of the future. It looks nothing like any animal
you can think of, but it is smart, albeit limited in its functions, but
that's my point. A robot with AI built in doesn't have to resemble any
existing spider or insect or mammal; in addition, it has to learn from
previous experience, as in the case of IBM's Watson.
I plan to extend this discussion but I'm also cautious of word-length,
which I may have already violated. So, stop for now. More to come.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed May 22 10:24:14 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:24:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Convert LibreOffice docs to Word/Excel docs
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h2=cpjAEO8BLGPy=L73wUm+tHaSMYcu=KTOFiiU4qVeA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any way to set the defaults to Word and Excel compatible formats?

-- 
Arthur

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed May 22 10:40:53 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 08:40:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Convert LibreOffice docs to Word/Excel docs
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h2=cpjAEO8BLGPy=L73wUm+tHaSMYcu=KTOFiiU4qVeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h2=cpjAEO8BLGPy=L73wUm+tHaSMYcu=KTOFiiU4qVeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmY-Y_TwrJMXDtyfvic5ujaX=7pdnJ9kXa5djP080GMOhw@mail.gmail.com>

This should still work

https://www.howtogeek.com/281166/how-to-change-the-default-file-format-in-libreoffice/


On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:24 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is there any way to set the defaults to Word and Excel compatible formats?
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 22 14:45:21 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 05:45:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CE5A6D1.8895.D6BAE8D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Your initial premise is false. The vast majority of robots are not mammalian or arachnoid in 
appearance. However form follows function and nature worked out  long ago that arms and 
legs are very useful appendages for land dwelling entities regardless of what Class of the  
Kngdom Animalia that they occupy, not just mammalia and arachnids... 

(Arachnopods are a science fiction creation. I presume you meant arachnids?)

On 22 May 2019 at 11:00, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> One aspect of robotics that completely escapes me is the need to make
> them similar to mammals and arachnopods (not insects, since they have
> 8 legs not 6); i.e. the presumption that such bots will need legs
> capable of climbing a staircase, and arms capable of opening a can of
> pork&beans using either their very sharp nails or perhaps a convention
> can-opener. I want to question the central premise...

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May 22 19:49:12 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 18:49:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Convert LibreOffice docs to Word/Excel docs
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h2=cpjAEO8BLGPy=L73wUm+tHaSMYcu=KTOFiiU4qVeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h2=cpjAEO8BLGPy=L73wUm+tHaSMYcu=KTOFiiU4qVeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <936723760.134860420.1558572552276.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

Yes and No. LibreOffice reads all Windows Office formats but the alternative is not true. Certain rare objects that LO can create are not readable by WO and LO saves files in a tighter format. When I will be subsequently reading a file in a Windows application, I just select "save as" and select a MS format. There may be a over-ride option in LO but I have never bothered to look for it. That said, if my memory serves me, Excel does seem to be able to read spreadsheets with ODS extensions. (It came after Microsoft offered a Office 2010 file format 'ballot' to stop an EU antitrust probe on Microsoft Office: http://bit.ly/30CB1r8) 

Aside: If you want to do some experimenting, you can try some open source alternatives which some friend have said they like better:

https://www.ubuntupit.com/top-10-best-free-office-suite-software-as-ms-office-alternative-for-linux/

WPS was highly recommended to me.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:24:14 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Convert LibreOffice docs to Word/Excel docs

Is there any way to set the defaults to Word and Excel compatible formats?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May 22 19:55:30 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 18:55:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1400766601.134883537.1558572929998.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I think you are right. Having humanoid AI is kind of weird. Why waste the effort when any AI is just designed for a specific purpose. I think the future is moving very fast but I still believe that any human-like "intelligent" robotic, multi-tasked and multi-purposed being, will be years in the future. Fifty to a hundred years at least.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:00:17 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.

One aspect of robotics that completely escapes me is the need to make them
similar to mammals and arachnopods (not insects, since they have 8 legs not
6); i.e. the presumption that such bots will need legs capable of climbing
a staircase, and arms capable of opening a can of pork&beans using either
their very sharp nails or perhaps a convention can-opener.
I want to question the central premise of such experiments. Why should bots
bear any resemblance to us bipeds or dogs or cats or spiders? Why not think
way outside the margins instead? One possible answer is that evolution has
demonstrated that these architectures work: cheetahs can run faster than
any other mammal, eagles can spot a mouse from 300 feet, humans can
identify minuscule genetic differences and justify the murder of millions
of people (where do you want to start that discussion? South Africa,
Rwanda, Korea, China, and let's not forget the Americas, where entire
civilisations were murdered.) I digress, sometimes I can't help it. Call it
a political form of ADHD. Does training RAI (a term I just coined which
stands for Robotic Artificial Intelligence) to emulate human behaviour mean
that these machines will learn from us how to murder millions of people,
take all their assets and hide them in Swiss and offshore money laundries?
Is that what we want robots to learn?
IMO, the Roomba is the way of the future. It looks nothing like any animal
you can think of, but it is smart, albeit limited in its functions, but
that's my point. A robot with AI built in doesn't have to resemble any
existing spider or insect or mammal; in addition, it has to learn from
previous experience, as in the case of IBM's Watson.
I plan to extend this discussion but I'm also cautious of word-length,
which I may have already violated. So, stop for now. More to come.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May 22 19:57:15 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 18:57:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Convert LibreOffice docs to Word/Excel docs
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmY-Y_TwrJMXDtyfvic5ujaX=7pdnJ9kXa5djP080GMOhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h2=cpjAEO8BLGPy=L73wUm+tHaSMYcu=KTOFiiU4qVeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmY-Y_TwrJMXDtyfvic5ujaX=7pdnJ9kXa5djP080GMOhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488955802.134902132.1558573035146.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Excellent research.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: fhtapia at gmail.com
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:40:53 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Convert LibreOffice docs to Word/Excel docs

This should still work

https://www.howtogeek.com/281166/how-to-change-the-default-file-format-in-libreoffice/


On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:24 AM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is there any way to set the defaults to Word and Excel compatible formats?
>
> --
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu May 23 11:26:08 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 12:26:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.
In-Reply-To: <5CE5A6D1.8895.D6BAE8D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5CE5A6D1.8895.D6BAE8D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iW=nT6F0+85dfx1LQfgTXB5J5cYN-sFrM3eWfv56yrQA@mail.gmail.com>

As almost always, you are totally correct in your correction of my slips of
the tongue. I can only plead guilty to being 71 years old; it slows you
down both physically and mentally. I have to struggle to board a bus, let
alone suffer the the indignities of a stairwell, or the increasing distance
from my couch to the bathroom. These humiliating events have become part of
my life, let alone that once I knew how to write code. As T.S. Eliot wrote,
"I grow old, I grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled." I
read that poem long before I realised that what he meant was that as people
age, the distance between their spinal bones shrinks, and that we therefore
become shorter -- an obvious physical fact that I had missed, or ignored.
Now I am acquainted with the unfortunate facts. Every single body system is
failing. I can barely manage a meal a day; a bite here and there is the
best I can do.
If you don't here from me in the next month, it means that I'm dead.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:46 PM Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Your initial premise is false. The vast majority of robots are not
> mammalian or arachnoid in
> appearance. However form follows function and nature worked out  long ago
> that arms and
> legs are very useful appendages for land dwelling entities regardless of
> what Class of the
> Kngdom Animalia that they occupy, not just mammalia and arachnids...
>
> (Arachnopods are a science fiction creation. I presume you meant
> arachnids?)
>
> On 22 May 2019 at 11:00, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > One aspect of robotics that completely escapes me is the need to make
> > them similar to mammals and arachnopods (not insects, since they have
> > 8 legs not 6); i.e. the presumption that such bots will need legs
> > capable of climbing a staircase, and arms capable of opening a can of
> > pork&beans using either their very sharp nails or perhaps a convention
> > can-opener. I want to question the central premise...
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu May 23 11:43:36 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 12:43:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Social Media
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j=NA+tEq7D3je59UCAY-V7JEk1KjQnMOrh0PefiaCRoA@mail.gmail.com>

Call me anything you want, I can even submit some appellations:
anti-social-media for starters. I hare Facebook, Twitter and all the rest
of these evil sites. Several years ago I signed up to FB, then tried to
delete my account, only to learn that it's a process that takes a month.
What I have to declare is my simple belief that "Social Media Sucks!" These
are evil techs, masquerading as your friends. Detach yourself now or become
part of the conspiracy to map the world, for the benefit of the advertisers
who pay for the asides.
It's drop-dead simple: If it free to you, then you are the product. There's
no way around this thesis. The only way these companies can make money is
by selling you -- and that means your clicks, your browser history, your FB
Likes, and so on. Whatever you think is free, that means you are the
product. Think carefully about that the next time you login to any site.

-- 
Arthur

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu May 23 11:59:06 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:59:06 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iW=nT6F0+85dfx1LQfgTXB5J5cYN-sFrM3eWfv56yrQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5CE5A6D1.8895.D6BAE8D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iW=nT6F0+85dfx1LQfgTXB5J5cYN-sFrM3eWfv56yrQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB220192A0AC739715A2963203D8010@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Arthur,
Would you please keep this stuff on the OT list.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:26 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.

As almost always, you are totally correct in your correction of my slips of the tongue. I can only plead guilty to being 71 years old; it slows you down both physically and mentally. I have to struggle to board a bus, let alone suffer the the indignities of a stairwell, or the increasing distance from my couch to the bathroom. These humiliating events have become part of my life, let alone that once I knew how to write code. As T.S. Eliot wrote, "I grow old, I grow old, I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled." I read that poem long before I realised that what he meant was that as people age, the distance between their spinal bones shrinks, and that we therefore become shorter -- an obvious physical fact that I had missed, or ignored.
Now I am acquainted with the unfortunate facts. Every single body system is failing. I can barely manage a meal a day; a bite here and there is the best I can do.
If you don't here from me in the next month, it means that I'm dead.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:46 PM Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Your initial premise is false. The vast majority of robots are not 
> mammalian or arachnoid in appearance. However form follows function 
> and nature worked out  long ago that arms and legs are very useful 
> appendages for land dwelling entities regardless of what Class of the 
> Kngdom Animalia that they occupy, not just mammalia and arachnids...
>
> (Arachnopods are a science fiction creation. I presume you meant
> arachnids?)
>
> On 22 May 2019 at 11:00, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > One aspect of robotics that completely escapes me is the need to 
> > make them similar to mammals and arachnopods (not insects, since 
> > they have
> > 8 legs not 6); i.e. the presumption that such bots will need legs 
> > capable of climbing a staircase, and arms capable of opening a can 
> > of pork&beans using either their very sharp nails or perhaps a 
> > convention can-opener. I want to question the central premise...
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 23 16:37:31 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 07:37:31 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Robotic cats, etc.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iW=nT6F0+85dfx1LQfgTXB5J5cYN-sFrM3eWfv56yrQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gQ5uPhYNFny7oqhov7-32kpnxvt5y=gicFtmdfE5A_Uw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<5CE5A6D1.8895.D6BAE8D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1iW=nT6F0+85dfx1LQfgTXB5J5cYN-sFrM3eWfv56yrQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CE7129B.32043.12F8BAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm 71 as well. I just delivered a sailboat 600 nautical miles, the first 48 hours in very heavy 
seas. And I'm still making a living writing code.

Old age is largely a state of mind.

On 23 May 2019 at 12:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> As almost always, you are totally correct in your correction of my
> slips of the tongue. I can only plead guilty to being 71 years old; it
> slows you down both physically and mentally.

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May 24 23:40:34 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 22:40:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Social Media
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j=NA+tEq7D3je59UCAY-V7JEk1KjQnMOrh0PefiaCRoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j=NA+tEq7D3je59UCAY-V7JEk1KjQnMOrh0PefiaCRoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <188578435.152329430.1558759234461.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

There is nothing free. 

Social media may initially appear to be free but you pay with your profile, your soul, to speak. Most of us have accepted the bargain with some limitations of course. Europe has been fighting back, we, in the west rarely do and in Asia, particularly China, the populations seems to fully accept the way it is:

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:43:36 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Social Media

Call me anything you want, I can even submit some appellations:
anti-social-media for starters. I hare Facebook, Twitter and all the rest
of these evil sites. Several years ago I signed up to FB, then tried to
delete my account, only to learn that it's a process that takes a month.
What I have to declare is my simple belief that "Social Media Sucks!" These
are evil techs, masquerading as your friends. Detach yourself now or become
part of the conspiracy to map the world, for the benefit of the advertisers
who pay for the asides.
It's drop-dead simple: If it free to you, then you are the product. There's
no way around this thesis. The only way these companies can make money is
by selling you -- and that means your clicks, your browser history, your FB
Likes, and so on. Whatever you think is free, that means you are the
product. Think carefully about that the next time you login to any site.

-- 
Arthur
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat May 25 10:58:36 2019
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 08:58:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Social Media
In-Reply-To: <188578435.152329430.1558759234461.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAEPJO1j=NA+tEq7D3je59UCAY-V7JEk1KjQnMOrh0PefiaCRoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<188578435.152329430.1558759234461.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmY1ris0LSfnp+gjZBhWw3BgDZNtPxb0AxogdLipBChDBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Some ideas around managing social media would be to not have your actual
birthday, actual schools you attended and so on.

I still have a fb account but that?s because the the groups of family and
friends that choose to abandon the platform :-/



On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:40 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> There is nothing free.
>
> Social media may initially appear to be free but you pay with your
> profile, your soul, to speak. Most of us have accepted the bargain with
> some limitations of course. Europe has been fighting back, we, in the west
> rarely do and in Asia, particularly China, the populations seems to fully
> accept the way it is:
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:43:36 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Social Media
>
> Call me anything you want, I can even submit some appellations:
> anti-social-media for starters. I hare Facebook, Twitter and all the rest
> of these evil sites. Several years ago I signed up to FB, then tried to
> delete my account, only to learn that it's a process that takes a month.
> What I have to declare is my simple belief that "Social Media Sucks!" These
> are evil techs, masquerading as your friends. Detach yourself now or become
> part of the conspiracy to map the world, for the benefit of the advertisers
> who pay for the asides.
> It's drop-dead simple: If it free to you, then you are the product. There's
> no way around this thesis. The only way these companies can make money is
> by selling you -- and that means your clicks, your browser history, your FB
> Likes, and so on. Whatever you think is free, that means you are the
> product. Think carefully about that the next time you login to any site.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun May 26 10:33:32 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 11:33:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Naming Objects (functions, procedures, etc.)
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gqeCYoCYcU640ti7GwEGpmLaOTKtEAPjkgqm5fqwm+5g@mail.gmail.com>

This morning I came across an article containing this snip:
naming things is hard; maybe it?s the hardest thing in programming at all.
This intrigued me for several reasons. Early on, I was a big fan of
Hungarian Notation; it's still wildly popular in the coding community, but
I eventually concluded that it was backwards: it placed the type first,
followed by the variable's name. Ultimately I decided that this was
backwards: the type should be a suffix not a prefix. In other words,*
tbl_customer* ought to be named *customer_tbl*. The main reason behind my
conclusion is alphabetic sorting; all objects, including queries, views and
stored procedures, sort naturally, and clump by the objects to which they
refer. In my opinion, this principle also applies to constants and
variables.
Enough about my theories of how to code. I'm interested in reading yours,
and invite your contributions to this thread.

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May 26 11:04:15 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 16:04:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Naming Objects (functions, procedures, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gqeCYoCYcU640ti7GwEGpmLaOTKtEAPjkgqm5fqwm+5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gqeCYoCYcU640ti7GwEGpmLaOTKtEAPjkgqm5fqwm+5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337FC8C978EBE07077D7FA6CA1C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Arthur

I left the Hungarian notation many years ago and haven't looked back. Actually, I felt it as some kind of relief to get rid of the prefixes.
You can study my VBA.xxx repositories for a lot of examples:

https://github.com/GustavBrock

/gustav

________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 26. maj 2019 17:33
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Naming Objects (functions, procedures, etc.)

This morning I came across an article containing this snip:
naming things is hard; maybe it?s the hardest thing in programming at all.
This intrigued me for several reasons. Early on, I was a big fan of
Hungarian Notation; it's still wildly popular in the coding community, but
I eventually concluded that it was backwards: it placed the type first,
followed by the variable's name. Ultimately I decided that this was
backwards: the type should be a suffix not a prefix. In other words,*
tbl_customer* ought to be named *customer_tbl*. The main reason behind my
conclusion is alphabetic sorting; all objects, including queries, views and
stored procedures, sort naturally, and clump by the objects to which they
refer. In my opinion, this principle also applies to constants and
variables.
Enough about my theories of how to code. I'm interested in reading yours,
and invite your contributions to this thread.

--
Arthur

From df.waters at outlook.com  Sun May 26 11:07:27 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 16:07:27 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Naming Objects (functions, procedures, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337FC8C978EBE07077D7FA6CA1C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CAEPJO1gqeCYoCYcU640ti7GwEGpmLaOTKtEAPjkgqm5fqwm+5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337FC8C978EBE07077D7FA6CA1C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB5929A9B1DF4ABE1C3EA5DFBFF61C0@DM6PR05MB5929.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I do use Hungarian notation (20+ years).  To not use it would require something else.  Arthur's suffix example is pretty good - I'm just used to Type.Name.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:04
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Naming Objects (functions, procedures, etc.)

Hi Arthur

I left the Hungarian notation many years ago and haven't looked back. Actually, I felt it as some kind of relief to get rid of the prefixes.
You can study my VBA.xxx repositories for a lot of examples:

https://github.com/GustavBrock

/gustav

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Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 26. maj 2019 17:33
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Naming Objects (functions, procedures, etc.)

This morning I came across an article containing this snip:
naming things is hard; maybe it's the hardest thing in programming at all.
This intrigued me for several reasons. Early on, I was a big fan of
Hungarian Notation; it's still wildly popular in the coding community, but
I eventually concluded that it was backwards: it placed the type first,
followed by the variable's name. Ultimately I decided that this was
backwards: the type should be a suffix not a prefix. In other words,*
tbl_customer* ought to be named *customer_tbl*. The main reason behind my
conclusion is alphabetic sorting; all objects, including queries, views and
stored procedures, sort naturally, and clump by the objects to which they
refer. In my opinion, this principle also applies to constants and
variables.
Enough about my theories of how to code. I'm interested in reading yours,
and invite your contributions to this thread.

--
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun May 26 14:56:09 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 15:56:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rules for Developers
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hThOi7NQ3zZoc63CL1v=dYCH58N1McD9FZR+CtTURnjA@mail.gmail.com>

There's a great piece on freecodecamp here
<https://medium.freecodecamp.org/how-to-make-peace-with-deadlines-in-software-development-6cfe3e993f51>,
primarily about the crunch of deadlines but touching on several related
issues such as the art of saying NO. I wish I had received this advice a
few decades ago.

-- 
Arthur