From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct  3 15:17:33 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:17:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
Message-ID: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it
for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my
second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music,
photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  3 16:49:44 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:49:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
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References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
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I have not tried that but can see not reason why not. I think it is as simple as having the right connectors and setting the monitor's setting.

Jim 

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Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:17:33 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it
for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my
second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music,
photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct  3 18:04:32 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 16:04:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <2002368541.387080808.1570139384596.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
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There's no HDMI/VGA/EVGA connectors on the back.  Just some USB ports.
Which means maybe not a passive monitor like me second (and first) monitor,
but probably some kind of support software running on the MAC OS.

r

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Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 2:50 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

I have not tried that but can see not reason why not. I think it is as
simple as having the right connectors and setting the monitor's setting.

Jim 

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From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "dba-ot" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:17:33 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it
for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my
second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music,
photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  3 21:31:28 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 21:31:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <2002368541.387080808.1570139384596.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
	<2002368541.387080808.1570139384596.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <7f1d0906-5acd-b1c4-51bf-bfe9e26c46d8@earthlink.net>

On 10/3/2019 16:49, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I have not tried that but can see not reason why not. I think it is as simple as having the right connectors and setting the monitor's setting.

Apparently so, 
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/use-apple-monitor-pc-57232.html

PB

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>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:17:33 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
>
> Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system?
>
>   
>
> I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it
> for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my
> second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music,
> photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.
>
>   
>
> MTIA
>
>   
>
> Rocky
>
>   
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct  4 09:47:44 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 07:47:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <7f1d0906-5acd-b1c4-51bf-bfe9e26c46d8@earthlink.net>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>	<2002368541.387080808.1570139384596.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<7f1d0906-5acd-b1c4-51bf-bfe9e26c46d8@earthlink.net>
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I am totally uneducated about Mac - this I think is an iMac of the 2011-2015
vintage.  It has a port on the back that I believe from the description
here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201736 is a mini-display port.  But
will this port work as an input port extending the display on my PC same as
I have now?  Or is it for output only?

Tia

r

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Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 7:31 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

On 10/3/2019 16:49, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I have not tried that but can see not reason why not. I think it is as
simple as having the right connectors and setting the monitor's setting.

Apparently so, 
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/use-apple-monitor-pc-57232.html

PB

-----
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "dba-ot" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:17:33 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
>
> Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system?
>
>   
>
> I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it
> for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace
my
> second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music,
> photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows
box.
>
>   
>
> MTIA
>
>   
>
> Rocky
>
>   
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  4 13:48:56 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 18:48:56 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR11MB3153A476C805EBCE0B2582A0D89E0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Believe it or not, I've seen similar questions on some of my Mac forums. Basically, the answer is even if you succeed, its not worth the hassle. Really nice monitors that are plug and play Windows have dropped in price, a considerable amount! The monitors with HDMI connectors do video and sound or the latest have USB C connectors which do even more. USB C (the oval USB connector) is the future (for the time being ? They can connect everything and power everything at the same time. The only thing that will be better is wireless everything.

Apple is not great at supporting older hardware so depending on the specs it may be a recyclable item or it may be able to be upgraded (for free) to the latest version of MacOS (which we're back to referring to it as) which I believe is macOS 10.14 or Mojave (they're really into geographical areas now that SJ is gone (he was all about naming it after big cats). If the specs are good enough, then do it. Search the internets and you'll find plenty of advice on how to do so.

Once that is done, spend a few hours with it and I'm sure you'll find easy enough to use. Use it for web and email - yes, Microsoft office runs fine on Macs (just not Access). Eventually you could install a Virtual Machine of Windows and do all of your work on the Mac.

Or use the rest to wipe the data off and toss it. 

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 3:18 PM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music, photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct  4 15:36:09 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 13:36:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR11MB3153A476C805EBCE0B2582A0D89E0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
	<BL0PR11MB3153A476C805EBCE0B2582A0D89E0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001501d57af3$5afcdba0$10f692e0$@bchacc.com>

I agree with you about the price of monitors.  They're cheap now. But I have a good second monitor.  I also have this iMac in the closet - older one - which I could get some use out of if I set it up.  But there's no room on my desk for a third monitor.  So I thought if I could use it as a second monitor and also as a MAC, that would be great.  So that's the quest.  Can I make that work without breaking my brain?

r

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2019 11:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Believe it or not, I've seen similar questions on some of my Mac forums. Basically, the answer is even if you succeed, its not worth the hassle. Really nice monitors that are plug and play Windows have dropped in price, a considerable amount! The monitors with HDMI connectors do video and sound or the latest have USB C connectors which do even more. USB C (the oval USB connector) is the future (for the time being ? They can connect everything and power everything at the same time. The only thing that will be better is wireless everything.

Apple is not great at supporting older hardware so depending on the specs it may be a recyclable item or it may be able to be upgraded (for free) to the latest version of MacOS (which we're back to referring to it as) which I believe is macOS 10.14 or Mojave (they're really into geographical areas now that SJ is gone (he was all about naming it after big cats). If the specs are good enough, then do it. Search the internets and you'll find plenty of advice on how to do so.

Once that is done, spend a few hours with it and I'm sure you'll find easy enough to use. Use it for web and email - yes, Microsoft office runs fine on Macs (just not Access). Eventually you could install a Virtual Machine of Windows and do all of your work on the Mac.

Or use the rest to wipe the data off and toss it. 

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 3:18 PM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music, photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Oct  4 16:33:35 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 21:33:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <001501d57af3$5afcdba0$10f692e0$@bchacc.com>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
	<BL0PR11MB3153A476C805EBCE0B2582A0D89E0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<001501d57af3$5afcdba0$10f692e0$@bchacc.com>
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No.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2019 3:36 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

I agree with you about the price of monitors.  They're cheap now. But I have a good second monitor.  I also have this iMac in the closet - older one - which I could get some use out of if I set it up.  But there's no room on my desk for a third monitor.  So I thought if I could use it as a second monitor and also as a MAC, that would be great.  So that's the quest.  Can I make that work without breaking my brain?

r

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2019 11:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Believe it or not, I've seen similar questions on some of my Mac forums. Basically, the answer is even if you succeed, its not worth the hassle. Really nice monitors that are plug and play Windows have dropped in price, a considerable amount! The monitors with HDMI connectors do video and sound or the latest have USB C connectors which do even more. USB C (the oval USB connector) is the future (for the time being ? They can connect everything and power everything at the same time. The only thing that will be better is wireless everything.

Apple is not great at supporting older hardware so depending on the specs it may be a recyclable item or it may be able to be upgraded (for free) to the latest version of MacOS (which we're back to referring to it as) which I believe is macOS 10.14 or Mojave (they're really into geographical areas now that SJ is gone (he was all about naming it after big cats). If the specs are good enough, then do it. Search the internets and you'll find plenty of advice on how to do so.

Once that is done, spend a few hours with it and I'm sure you'll find easy enough to use. Use it for web and email - yes, Microsoft office runs fine on Macs (just not Access). Eventually you could install a Virtual Machine of Windows and do all of your work on the Mac.

Or use the rest to wipe the data off and toss it. 

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 3:18 PM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music, photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct  5 14:31:43 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 13:31:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR11MB3153CF00B616E1B3C1D9D181D89E0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
	<BL0PR11MB3153A476C805EBCE0B2582A0D89E0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<001501d57af3$5afcdba0$10f692e0$@bchacc.com>
	<BL0PR11MB3153CF00B616E1B3C1D9D181D89E0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <765633859.396499821.1570303903758.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Maybe I can add to it from the knowledge learned via my SiL and his initial, almost religious devotion, to Apple. It did not take him long to realize that all Apple products are designed on a maximum of a five years cycle. After five years, if anything breaks, its off to the third party manufacturers and custom hardware work. Even the cables and connectors are replaced. The other problem is when you buy a Apple product there is almost no method to upgrade...no RAM, Harddrives, batteries or power supplies. OTOH, a number of businesses have developed around the old Macs and cannibalizing them to get some unit working for a demanding vintage deep pocket customer.

My Sil is now on his fourth Mac, third iPhone and second iPad in approximately eight years. It appears that when the warranty is up the motherboards have a huge fail tendency and the screens has a huge tendency to crack. He is probably a little harder on equipment than but...

That said, at least they are pretty.

Jim      

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Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 2:33:35 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

No.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2019 3:36 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

I agree with you about the price of monitors.  They're cheap now. But I have a good second monitor.  I also have this iMac in the closet - older one - which I could get some use out of if I set it up.  But there's no room on my desk for a third monitor.  So I thought if I could use it as a second monitor and also as a MAC, that would be great.  So that's the quest.  Can I make that work without breaking my brain?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via dba-Tech
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2019 11:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Believe it or not, I've seen similar questions on some of my Mac forums. Basically, the answer is even if you succeed, its not worth the hassle. Really nice monitors that are plug and play Windows have dropped in price, a considerable amount! The monitors with HDMI connectors do video and sound or the latest have USB C connectors which do even more. USB C (the oval USB connector) is the future (for the time being ? They can connect everything and power everything at the same time. The only thing that will be better is wireless everything.

Apple is not great at supporting older hardware so depending on the specs it may be a recyclable item or it may be able to be upgraded (for free) to the latest version of MacOS (which we're back to referring to it as) which I believe is macOS 10.14 or Mojave (they're really into geographical areas now that SJ is gone (he was all about naming it after big cats). If the specs are good enough, then do it. Search the internets and you'll find plenty of advice on how to do so.

Once that is done, spend a few hours with it and I'm sure you'll find easy enough to use. Use it for web and email - yes, Microsoft office runs fine on Macs (just not Access). Eventually you could install a Virtual Machine of Windows and do all of your work on the Mac.

Or use the rest to wipe the data off and toss it. 

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 3:18 PM
To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music, photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct  5 15:51:46 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 14:51:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor
In-Reply-To: <010601d57a3e$eb15e7a0$c141b6e0$@bchacc.com>
References: <005f01d57a27$97779f10$c666dd30$@bchacc.com>
	<2002368541.387080808.1570139384596.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<010601d57a3e$eb15e7a0$c141b6e0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <939308475.396819057.1570308706506.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

At this point I will leave the explanation in the capable hands of John Bartow. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 4:04:32 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

There's no HDMI/VGA/EVGA connectors on the back.  Just some USB ports.
Which means maybe not a passive monitor like me second (and first) monitor,
but probably some kind of support software running on the MAC OS.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 2:50 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

I have not tried that but can see not reason why not. I think it is as
simple as having the right connectors and setting the monitor's setting.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "dba-ot" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:17:33 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] iMac as Monitor

Can an iMac serve as a second monitor on a Windows system? 

 

I have this lovely Mac in the closet (don't ask) and would like to use it
for something.  Desk space prohibits another comp but if I could replace my
second monitor with the Mac then I could use the Mac for music,
photoshopping, etc. while still having my second monitor for my Windows box.

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct  7 23:54:16 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:54:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <1666219183.52452575.1557684906003.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <016301d4fc56$12c897f0$3859c7d0$@bchacc.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB133725AA70948F3EEC10FB3BCA3E0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<111472106.40622838.1557125000743.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1666219183.52452575.1557684906003.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1019500142.407250531.1570510456702.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  8 00:06:25 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 23:06:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<CABq0EbAeBHLiLLuKVVbDSg=zMH2OsHGJ5V00QKJk-XgUwWy6hg@mail.gmail.com>
	<427146488.110556985.1558306943222.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  8 00:31:58 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:31:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>	<1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<CABq0EbAeBHLiLLuKVVbDSg=zMH2OsHGJ5V00QKJk-XgUwWy6hg@mail.gmail.com>	<427146488.110556985.1558306943222.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>

How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?


r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  8 01:07:18 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 06:07:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  8 01:26:53 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 00:26:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<CABq0EbAeBHLiLLuKVVbDSg=zMH2OsHGJ5V00QKJk-XgUwWy6hg@mail.gmail.com>
	<427146488.110556985.1558306943222.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?

Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system. Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually impossible.

I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it. 

Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products with end-to-end encryption...yet again. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?


r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  8 01:30:07 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 00:30:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  8 02:08:47 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 07:08:47 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 08:06:17 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 09:06:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hZzWnz=sBosZGkbEHmQu8aiRxbboaY=jtAMeLzacrauQ@mail.gmail.com>

On my main box I run Linux Mint and the Google Chrome browser, and can
barely distinguish this from Windows 10, other than it runs way faster. I
also run WPS office, primarily for its MS-Word compatibility. No worries,
no license violations, just smooth sailing.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 09:10:28 2019
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:10:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <011801d57de2$26377ff0$72a67fd0$@gmail.com>

Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit slower than the others. 

I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that idea. 

Susan H. 

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  8 09:33:06 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 14:33:06 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337B4BD820BC8B3E04F01CBCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Susan

Edge is under intense development:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

And that about "stuff doesn't work" is just rumours.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 16:10
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit slower than the others. 

I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that idea. 

Susan H. 

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 09:38:49 2019
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:38:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337B4BD820BC8B3E04F01CBCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337B4BD820BC8B3E04F01CBCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <019b01d57de6$1ac92e80$505b8b80$@gmail.com>

No... not rumors. I've experienced it myself. It's one of the reasons I stopped using it -- neither of the publishers I work for support it with their internal systems. I was constantly having trouble until I switched to using Chrome. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Susan

Edge is under intense development:

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

And that about "stuff doesn't work" is just rumours.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Susan Harkins
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 16:10
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit slower than the others. 

I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that idea. 

Susan H. 

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  8 10:30:41 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:30:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>	<CABq0EbAeBHLiLLuKVVbDSg=zMH2OsHGJ5V00QKJk-XgUwWy6hg@mail.gmail.com>	<427146488.110556985.1558306943222.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
	<1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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My ISP is Spectrum.  I don't have a VPN.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?

Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system. Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually impossible.

I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it. 

Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products with end-to-end encryption...yet again. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?


r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  8 14:13:04 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 13:13:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <126226054.410729844.1570561984201.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

You really should...you don't know what you are missing. How do you know what you can do if you have never even tried.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
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Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct  8 16:36:47 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 07:36:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337B4BD820BC8B3E04F01CBCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337B4BD820BC8B3E04F01CBCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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The new Edge ain't the old Edge. 

The "old Edge" used Microsoft's proprietary EdgeHTML engine.
They are now  developing a "new Edge" using the Chromium engine

IOW, effectively a totally different browser with the same name.

The "new Edge" based on Chromium is currently in Beta which is the one Gustav points to.



On 8 Oct 2019 at 14:33, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Susan
> 
> Edge is under intense development:
> 
> https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download
> 
> And that about "stuff doesn't work" is just rumours.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af
> Susan Harkins Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 16:10 Til: 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Emne:
> Re: [dba-Tech] Edge
> 
> Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that
> sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit
> slower than the others. 
> 
> I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that
> idea. 
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim
> Lawrence Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30 Til: Discussion of Hardware and
> Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech]
> Edge
> 
> Hi Gustav:
> 
> You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18
> PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:
> 
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile
> 
> It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim
> Lawrence Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54 Til: Discussion of Hardware and
> Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge
> 
> Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)
> 
> https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev
> 
> Jim 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  8 16:37:14 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:37:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hZzWnz=sBosZGkbEHmQu8aiRxbboaY=jtAMeLzacrauQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAEPJO1hZzWnz=sBosZGkbEHmQu8aiRxbboaY=jtAMeLzacrauQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564294251.411324099.1570570634172.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

Welcome to the Darkside or at least non-Microsoft side. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 6:06:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

On my main box I run Linux Mint and the Google Chrome browser, and can
barely distinguish this from Windows 10, other than it runs way faster. I
also run WPS office, primarily for its MS-Word compatibility. No worries,
no license violations, just smooth sailing.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  8 17:29:00 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 16:29:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <011801d57de2$26377ff0$72a67fd0$@gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<011801d57de2$26377ff0$72a67fd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1916988019.411618652.1570573740082.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Susan:

To my understanding Microsoft has removed the original Edge engine and much of the code from Edge and replaced it with code from Google's chrome. Edge will now be one of a dozen browsers that are now built on top of Chrome like Brave, Opera, Vivaldi etc.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit slower than the others. 

I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that idea. 

Susan H. 

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  8 22:27:57 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 03:27:57 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <1916988019.411618652.1570573740082.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<011801d57de2$26377ff0$72a67fd0$@gmail.com>
	<1916988019.411618652.1570573740082.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BL0PR11MB3153BFF806BEA172D4D34127D8950@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

And yet, not a one of those can pull off task the way Internet Explorer could:
http://i.imgur.com/X7ipc.png

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 5:29 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Susan:

To my understanding Microsoft has removed the original Edge engine and much of the code from Edge and replaced it with code from Google's chrome. Edge will now be one of a dozen browsers that are now built on top of Chrome like Brave, Opera, Vivaldi etc.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit slower than the others. 

I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that idea. 

Susan H. 

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct  8 23:54:35 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 22:54:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <002e01d57ded$583ad730$08b08590$@bchacc.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
	<1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002e01d57ded$583ad730$08b08590$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I think a VPN, a good one, is an excellent investment. 

Spectrum may be a good IPS that doesn't harvest internet activities. I can't remember but wasn't/still is, Spectrum owned by Time-Warner?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

My ISP is Spectrum.  I don't have a VPN.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?

Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system. Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually impossible.

I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it. 

Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products with end-to-end encryption...yet again. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?


r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  9 01:34:27 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 06:34:27 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB13374600B37064E15D6EFCC3CA950@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

I don't have the time. It is that simple.
I've decided to focus on development, thus ruled out playing with Linux (and games for that matter).

/gustav

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Hi Gustav:

You really should...you don't know what you are missing. How do you know what you can do if you have never even tried.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  9 01:40:19 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 00:40:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13374600B37064E15D6EFCC3CA950@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13374600B37064E15D6EFCC3CA950@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Gustav:

You have a niche in the business and you are very good at it. I say, stay there.

If you were new to the business, working on internet systems, Cloud based development, working in a startup, Linux would be the direction you would have to go.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 11:34:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

I don't have the time. It is that simple.
I've decided to focus on development, thus ruled out playing with Linux (and games for that matter).

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 21:13
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You really should...you don't know what you are missing. How do you know what you can do if you have never even tried.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  9 01:43:55 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 00:43:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR11MB3153BFF806BEA172D4D34127D8950@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<011801d57de2$26377ff0$72a67fd0$@gmail.com>
	<1916988019.411618652.1570573740082.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<BL0PR11MB3153BFF806BEA172D4D34127D8950@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1553986745.413567464.1570603435959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I fully agree with you. :-)

Aside: Hope you are doing well.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:27:57 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

And yet, not a one of those can pull off task the way Internet Explorer could:
http://i.imgur.com/X7ipc.png

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 5:29 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Susan:

To my understanding Microsoft has removed the original Edge engine and much of the code from Edge and replaced it with code from Google's chrome. Edge will now be one of a dozen browsers that are now built on top of Chrome like Brave, Opera, Vivaldi etc.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit slower than the others. 

I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that idea. 

Susan H. 

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

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From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 03:40:43 2019
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 04:40:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
	<1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002e01d57ded$583ad730$08b08590$@bchacc.com>
	<22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUeybKS2vRwHZqP1FcWesyCzf48Sb=PvYWcDKgERhUj7g@mail.gmail.com>

IIRC Spectrum is owned by Charter Communications, at least in NYC.  When we
moved 1 1/2 years ago our building had two internet options, Spectrum or
Verizon Fios.  We chose Verizon as others have complained of spotty service
with Spectrum but that could be a local issue.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:54 AM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I think a VPN, a good one, is an excellent investment.
>
> Spectrum may be a good IPS that doesn't harvest internet activities. I
> can't remember but wasn't/still is, Spectrum owned by Time-Warner?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:30:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> My ISP is Spectrum.  I don't have a VPN.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:27 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?
>
> Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses
> portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system.
> Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification
> and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost
> impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is
> stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually
> impossible.
>
> I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it.
>
> Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products
> with end-to-end encryption...yet again.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?
>
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.
>
> "Our Story
> Why did we create Startpage.com?
>
> As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us.
> It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal
> data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing
> online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information.
> Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services
> soon. Why?
>
> Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big
> Data. Period."
>
> Check it out:
>
> https://www.startpage.com/en/
>
> Jim
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct  9 10:03:26 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 15:03:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
	<1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002e01d57ded$583ad730$08b08590$@bchacc.com>
	<22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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I believe Spectrum bought Time-Warner. I have looked at VPNs but don't feel I need one.  I don't have any sensitive data, and no one cares about where I browse. And I don't care who knows.  Coupled with the fact that you are trading one weak link for another.  You have to trust your VPN, now and forever. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 9:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

I think a VPN, a good one, is an excellent investment. 

Spectrum may be a good IPS that doesn't harvest internet activities. I can't remember but wasn't/still is, Spectrum owned by Time-Warner?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

My ISP is Spectrum.  I don't have a VPN.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?

Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system. Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually impossible.

I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it. 

Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products with end-to-end encryption...yet again. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?


r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Oct  9 22:39:18 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:39:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edge
In-Reply-To: <1553986745.413567464.1570603435959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337693F18057E762CC62779CA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<953606163.407619827.1570516207896.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<HE1PR1001MB13377193DA9474462E5770DCCA9A0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<011801d57de2$26377ff0$72a67fd0$@gmail.com>
	<1916988019.411618652.1570573740082.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<BL0PR11MB3153BFF806BEA172D4D34127D8950@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<1553986745.413567464.1570603435959.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BL0PR11MB3153327660484771DC74270FD8940@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I actually had a residential client that had a Windows 98 PC with IE looking similar to that picture! I couldn't believe it! 

But it was fun watching (whatever crapware utility I was using then) them all get wiped out ? 

When I showed him what the internet really look slike, the guy actually asked: "didn't I need all of that stuff?". Wow.

I'm alive and kicking (albeit mostly out of frustration).

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 1:44 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi John:

I fully agree with you. :-)

Aside: Hope you are doing well.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:27:57 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

And yet, not a one of those can pull off task the way Internet Explorer could:
http://i.imgur.com/X7ipc.png

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 5:29 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Susan:

To my understanding Microsoft has removed the original Edge engine and much of the code from Edge and replaced it with code from Google's chrome. Edge will now be one of a dozen browsers that are now built on top of Chrome like Brave, Opera, Vivaldi etc.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Edge started out to be a reasonable browser. The real problem is that sites won't support it, so stuff doesn't work. I also find it a bit slower than the others. 

I thought MS had pulled the plug in Edge... wonder where I got that idea. 

Susan H. 

Hi Jim

I'm always very serious. But I don't do Linux ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 08:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Gustav:

You are saying this, touch-in-cheek, right? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Edge

Hi Jim

It already exists for iPhone and Android, so probably no big task:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobile

It's about time Linux gets a decent browser as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 8. oktober 2019 06:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edge

Believe it or not, Microsoft is planning on bringing Edge to Linux.(?)

https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 10 04:22:06 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:22:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpUeybKS2vRwHZqP1FcWesyCzf48Sb=PvYWcDKgERhUj7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
	<1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002e01d57ded$583ad730$08b08590$@bchacc.com>
	<22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<CAEkqQpUeybKS2vRwHZqP1FcWesyCzf48Sb=PvYWcDKgERhUj7g@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for that. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 1:40:43 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

IIRC Spectrum is owned by Charter Communications, at least in NYC.  When we
moved 1 1/2 years ago our building had two internet options, Spectrum or
Verizon Fios.  We chose Verizon as others have complained of spotty service
with Spectrum but that could be a local issue.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:54 AM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I think a VPN, a good one, is an excellent investment.
>
> Spectrum may be a good IPS that doesn't harvest internet activities. I
> can't remember but wasn't/still is, Spectrum owned by Time-Warner?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:30:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> My ISP is Spectrum.  I don't have a VPN.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:27 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?
>
> Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses
> portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system.
> Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification
> and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost
> impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is
> stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually
> impossible.
>
> I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it.
>
> Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products
> with end-to-end encryption...yet again.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?
>
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
>
> Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.
>
> "Our Story
> Why did we create Startpage.com?
>
> As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us.
> It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal
> data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing
> online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information.
> Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services
> soon. Why?
>
> Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big
> Data. Period."
>
> Check it out:
>
> https://www.startpage.com/en/
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 10 15:38:50 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:38:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <000001d57eb2$b41940d0$1c4bc270$@bchacc.com>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
	<1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002e01d57ded$583ad730$08b08590$@bchacc.com>
	<22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000001d57eb2$b41940d0$1c4bc270$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <499978074.423342591.1570739930354.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Rocky:

That is fine that you don't concern yourself one way or the other about any information or its access.

But note: There are VPNs and there are VPNs. Some are basic in that they will allow you to connect to another computer through a secure link. There are much more complex VPN solutions which are very secure, no recordings, backups, headers or personal detail is kept....and yes, there are many trust-able VPN providers and no, you are not stuck with one of another. Run for three months, pick another VPN provider or decide to use none at all. There is no obligation.

Jim      

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:03:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

I believe Spectrum bought Time-Warner. I have looked at VPNs but don't feel I need one.  I don't have any sensitive data, and no one cares about where I browse. And I don't care who knows.  Coupled with the fact that you are trading one weak link for another.  You have to trust your VPN, now and forever. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 9:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

I think a VPN, a good one, is an excellent investment. 

Spectrum may be a good IPS that doesn't harvest internet activities. I can't remember but wasn't/still is, Spectrum owned by Time-Warner?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

My ISP is Spectrum.  I don't have a VPN.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?

Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system. Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually impossible.

I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it. 

Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products with end-to-end encryption...yet again. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?


r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 10 16:15:44 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:15:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine
In-Reply-To: <499978074.423342591.1570739930354.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000901d57d99$b426af00$1c740d00$@bchacc.com>
	<1858896488.407612717.1570516013669.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<002e01d57ded$583ad730$08b08590$@bchacc.com>
	<22325405.413081557.1570596875858.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<000001d57eb2$b41940d0$1c4bc270$@bchacc.com>
	<499978074.423342591.1570739930354.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <006d01d57faf$e1840e30$a48c2a90$@bchacc.com>

How do I judge their trustworthiness after a trial of three months (or years)?

What are the top three in your opinion?

(I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else who has an opinion on this.)

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 1:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Hi Rocky:

That is fine that you don't concern yourself one way or the other about any information or its access.

But note: There are VPNs and there are VPNs. Some are basic in that they will allow you to connect to another computer through a secure link. There are much more complex VPN solutions which are very secure, no recordings, backups, headers or personal detail is kept....and yes, there are many trust-able VPN providers and no, you are not stuck with one of another. Run for three months, pick another VPN provider or decide to use none at all. There is no obligation.

Jim      

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:03:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

I believe Spectrum bought Time-Warner. I have looked at VPNs but don't feel I need one.  I don't have any sensitive data, and no one cares about where I browse. And I don't care who knows.  Coupled with the fact that you are trading one weak link for another.  You have to trust your VPN, now and forever. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 9:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

I think a VPN, a good one, is an excellent investment. 

Spectrum may be a good IPS that doesn't harvest internet activities. I can't remember but wasn't/still is, Spectrum owned by Time-Warner?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 8:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

My ISP is Spectrum.  I don't have a VPN.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:27 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Who is your ISP? Don't you have a VPN?

Right from your desktop this search engine is encrypted. It actually uses portions of Googles search engine but through it own cloud based system. Individual search requested are therefore stripped of header identification and officiated through thousands of grouped requests. This makes it almost impossible to isolate a single individual and as all header detail is stripped and requests are deleted, following up on a user is virtually impossible.

I will try this search engine out for a while and see if I like it. 

Aside: It seems that the US security state is trying to stop all products with end-to-end encryption...yet again. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

How does it stop my ISP from gathering my information?


r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The world's most private search engine

Here is supposed, the world's most private search engine.

"Our Story
Why did we create Startpage.com?

As kids, we?re all taught not to touch stuff that doesn?t belong to us. It?s a good guideline. So why are online companies harvesting our personal data without our consent? They shouldn?t. That?s why we?re developing online tools that help you stay in control of your personal information. Search is done. Expect other private versions of common digital services soon. Why?

Because it?s our belief that personal data should be your data, not Big Data. Period."

Check it out:

https://www.startpage.com/en/

Jim

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Oct 12 14:04:59 2019
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:04:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
Message-ID: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>

Sesquipedalian

This is a fun one. FWIW, I didn't know it. I think it ... is a good example of itself. ? 

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Oct 12 14:40:53 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 19:40:53 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
In-Reply-To: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>
References: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004701d58134$f5dcd2f0$e19678d0$@bchacc.com>

>From Latin meaning 'a foot and a half long'. :)

r
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat

Sesquipedalian

This is a fun one. FWIW, I didn't know it. I think it ... is a good example of itself. ? 

Susan H. 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 13 21:41:58 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:41:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
In-Reply-To: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>
References: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1072628541.441856080.1571020918477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Well that got me completely. Where would I use that word?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:04:59 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat

Sesquipedalian

This is a fun one. FWIW, I didn't know it. I think it ... is a good example of itself. ? 

Susan H. 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct 14 04:35:21 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:35:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
In-Reply-To: <1072628541.441856080.1571020918477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>,
	<1072628541.441856080.1571020918477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <5DA44159.20082.C85538D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Avoid sesquipedalianism around hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobics.


On 13 Oct 2019 at 20:41, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Well that got me completely. Where would I use that word?
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019
> 12:04:59 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
> 
> Sesquipedalian
> 
> This is a fun one. FWIW, I didn't know it. I think it ... is a good
> example of itself.  
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
> 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 07:35:21 2019
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:35:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
In-Reply-To: <5DA44159.20082.C85538D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>,
	<1072628541.441856080.1571020918477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<5DA44159.20082.C85538D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <013601d5828b$db2074a0$91615de0$@gmail.com>

I apologize everyone -- I meant to send this to the OT gang. But Stuart, you
win -- that is fabulous!

Susan H. 


Avoid sesquipedalianism around hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobics.


On 13 Oct 2019 at 20:41, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Well that got me completely. Where would I use that word?
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019
> 12:04:59 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
> 
> Sesquipedalian
> 
> This is a fun one. FWIW, I didn't know it. I think it ... is a good 
> example of itself.
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 14 10:10:14 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:10:14 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
In-Reply-To: <5DA44159.20082.C85538D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>,
	<1072628541.441856080.1571020918477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<5DA44159.20082.C85538D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00c601d582a1$7b707210$72515630$@bchacc.com>

My brain just threw up.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 2:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat

Avoid sesquipedalianism around hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobics.


On 13 Oct 2019 at 20:41, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Well that got me completely. Where would I use that word?
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019
> 12:04:59 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
> 
> Sesquipedalian
> 
> This is a fun one. FWIW, I didn't know it. I think it ... is a good
> example of itself.  
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 14 18:26:39 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 17:26:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
In-Reply-To: <5DA44159.20082.C85538D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <06c001d5812f$f4a7c7a0$ddf756e0$@gmail.com>
	<1072628541.441856080.1571020918477.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<5DA44159.20082.C85538D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <567980776.446505040.1571095599508.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

That word is beyond my paygrade.

But of course you will put that word in a sentence. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 2:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat

Avoid sesquipedalianism around hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobics.


On 13 Oct 2019 at 20:41, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Well that got me completely. Where would I use that word?
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019
> 12:04:59 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] word of the day -- don't cheat
> 
> Sesquipedalian
> 
> This is a fun one. FWIW, I didn't know it. I think it ... is a good
> example of itself.  
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 15 11:44:36 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:44:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] VMs v. Physical hardware
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iPMu237DyjYJzdHSTUzhut9LeqGsjTwPzVeKpMes29ew@mail.gmail.com>

Back in the day, I deemed VMs really cool, but they have lost their lustre
for me. At the moment, I have four computers running, each with its own OS,
and since they are so inexpensive, I don't understand the purpose, at least
in a home environment, of slowing everything down with VMs. For $100 I can
buy a computer and dedicate to a particular OS. In my case, the main box is
Mint, the secondary box is Win10, and the third Win7. Then there's the the
tablet and the phone.
I don't understand the advantage of VMs, given that hardware is so
inexpensive (although I am running out of deskspace. Maybe my perspective
is coloured by free hydro in my residence. That's certainly a factor. But
that aside, I prefer to run 5 computers than 5 VMs. Way faster, and I have
a swivel chair so shifting is a breeze.


-- 
Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 15 14:33:36 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:33:36 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] VMs v. Physical hardware
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iPMu237DyjYJzdHSTUzhut9LeqGsjTwPzVeKpMes29ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iPMu237DyjYJzdHSTUzhut9LeqGsjTwPzVeKpMes29ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01d5838f$70a79310$51f6b930$@bchacc.com>

Why do you have both a Win 10 and a Win 7 box?
r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] VMs v. Physical hardware

Back in the day, I deemed VMs really cool, but they have lost their lustre
for me. At the moment, I have four computers running, each with its own OS,
and since they are so inexpensive, I don't understand the purpose, at least
in a home environment, of slowing everything down with VMs. For $100 I can
buy a computer and dedicate to a particular OS. In my case, the main box is
Mint, the secondary box is Win10, and the third Win7. Then there's the the
tablet and the phone.
I don't understand the advantage of VMs, given that hardware is so
inexpensive (although I am running out of deskspace. Maybe my perspective
is coloured by free hydro in my residence. That's certainly a factor. But
that aside, I prefer to run 5 computers than 5 VMs. Way faster, and I have
a swivel chair so shifting is a breeze.


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 03:49:07 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 04:49:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] VMs v. Physical hardware
In-Reply-To: <002c01d5838f$70a79310$51f6b930$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iPMu237DyjYJzdHSTUzhut9LeqGsjTwPzVeKpMes29ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01d5838f$70a79310$51f6b930$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h5k21zL+-EP35kykGCarqAdoKZ7Ai72_WvRPVBx6AYig@mail.gmail.com>

Simply  because. despite all my attempts to retire, I keep gatting dragged
back into the business, by clients from previous gigs who have not
upgraded, so the Win7 box runs Office 2007 etc., and when called upon to do
a fix or enhancement I have to ensure that my environment duplicates
theirs. No other reason, except that that machine also doubles as my
connection to my audio speaker system.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:34 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com <
rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Why do you have both a Win 10 and a Win 7 box?
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] VMs v. Physical hardware
>
> Back in the day, I deemed VMs really cool, but they have lost their lustre
> for me. At the moment, I have four computers running, each with its own OS,
> and since they are so inexpensive, I don't understand the purpose, at least
> in a home environment, of slowing everything down with VMs. For $100 I can
> buy a computer and dedicate to a particular OS. In my case, the main box is
> Mint, the secondary box is Win10, and the third Win7. Then there's the the
> tablet and the phone.
> I don't understand the advantage of VMs, given that hardware is so
> inexpensive (although I am running out of deskspace. Maybe my perspective
> is coloured by free hydro in my residence. That's certainly a factor. But
> that aside, I prefer to run 5 computers than 5 VMs. Way faster, and I have
> a swivel chair so shifting is a breeze.
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 19 13:32:19 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:32:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SandDance
In-Reply-To: <1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <20190517113723.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.970998f3f2.wbe@email25.godaddy.com>
	<1845274155.109487644.1558293593975.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<CABq0EbAeBHLiLLuKVVbDSg=zMH2OsHGJ5V00QKJk-XgUwWy6hg@mail.gmail.com>
	<427146488.110556985.1558306943222.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1897072370.279842131.1562539575575.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<379165877.312293737.1562889716381.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1096452119.85359573.1565371375038.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<1589139418.407307079.1570511185492.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <592677597.474972861.1571509939242.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Check out the following Github downloadable graphically application; take data and produce complex graphic representations.

By using easy-to-understand views, SandDance helps you find insights about your data, which in turn help you tell stories supported by data, build cases based on evidence, test hypotheses, dig deeper into surface explanations, support decisions for purchases, or relate data into a wider, real world context.

SandDance uses unit visualizations, which apply a one-to-one mapping between rows in your database and marks on the screen. Smooth animated transitions between views help you to maintain context as you interact with your data.

This new version of SandDance has been rebuilt from scratch with the goal of being modular, extensible, and embeddable into your custom applications. We are now on GitHub so that we are open and driven by the community through contributions, feature requests, and discussion.

SandDance was created by the Microsoft Research VIDA Group which explores novel technologies for visualization and immersive data analytics.

https://github.com/microsoft/SandDance

The application is intergratable on the following plaforms:

Power BI
Azure Data Studio
VSCode extension
Observable
JavaScript

Jim
 

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 17:31:15 2019
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 18:31:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Flowcharting App
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFtFrJ8KT1FKOyoFccxxryixG73iKeS4b3HKzs0NJWwpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I hope someone has a recommendation for me. I'm looking for an Android
App that will let me build and then follow step by step a flowchart.

I've got several 6-page long diagnostic flow charts that I'd like to
have on my phone so that when I'm troubleshooting an issue I can
follow the flowchart step by step.

The paper (physical and pdf) version just isn't cutting it.

Thanks for any pointers.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 20 21:26:59 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:26:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Flowcharting App
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFtFrJ8KT1FKOyoFccxxryixG73iKeS4b3HKzs0NJWwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWFtFrJ8KT1FKOyoFccxxryixG73iKeS4b3HKzs0NJWwpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1148455302.481263277.1571624819063.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Bryan:

Replied on the OT.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "carbonnb" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 3:31:15 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Flowcharting App

Hey all,

I hope someone has a recommendation for me. I'm looking for an Android
App that will let me build and then follow step by step a flowchart.

I've got several 6-page long diagnostic flow charts that I'd like to
have on my phone so that when I'm troubleshooting an issue I can
follow the flowchart step by step.

The paper (physical and pdf) version just isn't cutting it.

Thanks for any pointers.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 25 09:19:21 2019
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:19:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] privacy & edward snowden
Message-ID: <4260732b-0f5f-e633-d017-2b881db7d7a0@earthlink.net>

Some listers here have agreed "privacy is dead". Edward Snowden argues 
(https://www.c-span.org/video/?464518-1/edward-snowden-discusses-permanent-record 
argues it depends on what & how we choose.

PB


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 26 21:38:36 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 20:38:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] privacy & edward snowden
In-Reply-To: <4260732b-0f5f-e633-d017-2b881db7d7a0@earthlink.net>
References: <4260732b-0f5f-e633-d017-2b881db7d7a0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <754232278.516305995.1572143916250.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Peter:

An excellent video. 

Just saw the movie The Great Hack. After watching the vid, who knows whether elections are real or are the just generated. It goes deep in the rise and fall of Cambridge Analytical. This is just the beginning:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9358204/videoplayer/vi2233318425?ref_=tt_ov_vi

And another grime reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=eW-OMR-iWOE

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 7:19:21 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] privacy & edward snowden

Some listers here have agreed "privacy is dead". Edward Snowden argues 
(https://www.c-span.org/video/?464518-1/edward-snowden-discusses-permanent-record 
argues it depends on what & how we choose.

PB

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Oct 26 22:04:06 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 03:04:06 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] privacy & edward snowden
In-Reply-To: <754232278.516305995.1572143916250.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <4260732b-0f5f-e633-d017-2b881db7d7a0@earthlink.net>
	<754232278.516305995.1572143916250.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00b501d58c73$319da3c0$94d8eb40$@bchacc.com>

Grime reality?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] privacy & edward snowden

Hi Peter:

An excellent video. 

Just saw the movie The Great Hack. After watching the vid, who knows whether
elections are real or are the just generated. It goes deep in the rise and
fall of Cambridge Analytical. This is just the beginning:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9358204/videoplayer/vi2233318425?ref_=tt_ov_vi

And another grime reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=eW-OMR-iWOE

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 7:19:21 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] privacy & edward snowden

Some listers here have agreed "privacy is dead". Edward Snowden argues 
(https://www.c-span.org/video/?464518-1/edward-snowden-discusses-permanent-r
ecord 
argues it depends on what & how we choose.

PB

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