From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 12:50:44 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 13:50:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Broadcast sports question -- Message-ID: I'm not the biggest sports fan in the world (soccer being my game of choice -- way bigger in the world than NFL + NBA + baseball -- but now and then I do watch baseball, and I am astounded by the commentators' mentions of statistics... "Mr. X has previously stolen 88 bases with One Out." And so on. Nobody could remember all these stats, let alone revise them as each game is played. So how do they manage this? I can't believe that any form of SQL is up to the speed required for this task, and I must believe that there are dozens if not more people updating and retrieving the stats. Given any single baseball game, you have a couple of dozen players to look up, based on the players and potential substitutes; when a player is in the batting box, they begin looking up his stats, etc., but retrieval time must be almost instantaneous. Has anyone worked on such a system as this? I'm dying to know how it's done, and on what platform, etc. -- Arthur From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 6 14:10:47 2020 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 15:10:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router Message-ID: I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, too. When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them before and that they are a little tricky because they require registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing connected. I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet connection through the old router - could that work? Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a connection. That's goofy! Thanks for any help, T -- Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Aug 6 14:24:45 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 19:24:45 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tough one. How about asking your ISP for a recommendation on a router (or the cable guy) that isn't so "tricky", return the new router, and get a different one? Meantime I'd put the old router back on and if it works then at least you're not dead in the water. Maybe register the new one whole the old router is staggering along. BTW, shouldn't you be able to access the internet with your cell phone without going through your router - just use your cell service? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 12:11 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, too. When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them before and that they are a little tricky because they require registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing connected. I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet connection through the old router - could that work? Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a connection. That's goofy! Thanks for any help, T -- Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Aug 6 14:31:12 2020 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 20:31:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003501d66c28$260e6ea0$722b4be0$@tydda.plus.com> I've got a Nighthawk router, and I really like it. It wants me to register for all sorts of things, but you don't need any of them. The best way to access it is via a laptop, rather than the phone app, you can do so much more on the laptop. Just go to www.routerlogin.net and it should take you to the logon page. If it's the first time you've done that, the credentials should be on a label on the router. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Tina N Fields Sent: 06 August 2020 20:11 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, too. When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them before and that they are a little tricky because they require registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing connected. I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet connection through the old router - could that work? Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a connection. That's goofy! Thanks for any help, T -- Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 15:24:12 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 15:24:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might have to turn off WIFI on your phone temporarily so you aren't connected to the router to get to the internet through the phone without the router jumping in between. The phone connects to the router via WIFI and is expecting that it should have internet access through that router. Or maybe turn the router off and connect directly to the modem with a PC temporarily. GK On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:08 PM Tina N Fields wrote: > > I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. > > Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to > replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. > > Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up > and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called > tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at > their end, and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. > No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a > cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, too. > > When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them > before and that they are a little tricky because they require > registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through the > setup together and could not find any way to get this thing connected. > > I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get > through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. > > What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the > new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet > connection through the old router - could that work? > > Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that > requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a > connection. That's goofy! > > Thanks for any help, > > T > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > 231-322-2787 > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Aug 6 17:02:52 2020 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:02:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/6/2020 14:10, Tina N Fields wrote: > I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. > > Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to > replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. > > Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it > up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. > Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an > adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another > fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day > to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look > at the new router, too. > > When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them > before and that they are a little tricky because they require > registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through > the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing > connected. What's the advantage of a router that incorporates a modem? Isn't it more robust to have separate modem & router? PB > > I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get > through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. > > What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the > new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet > connection through the old router - could that work? > > Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that > requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a > connection. That's goofy! > > Thanks for any help, > > T > From eptept at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 05:37:52 2020 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 06:37:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As Gary said, if you turn off WiFi your phone should be able to access the internet. Even our older, maybe 4-5 years Android phones can get the internet (we have verizon wireless service). I know it's probably not cost efficient but we always get provider supplied routers, any problems come and fix it or replace it. In terms of WiFi we have 12 "things" hitting WiFi with no speed issues. On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:03 PM Peter Brawley wrote: > > > On 8/6/2020 14:10, Tina N Fields wrote: > > I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. > > > > Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to > > replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. > > > > Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it > > up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. > > Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an > > adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another > > fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day > > to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look > > at the new router, too. > > > > When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them > > before and that they are a little tricky because they require > > registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through > > the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing > > connected. > > What's the advantage of a router that incorporates a modem? Isn't it > more robust to have separate modem & router? > > PB > > > > I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get > > through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. > > > > What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the > > new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet > > connection through the old router - could that work? > > > > Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that > > requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a > > connection. That's goofy! > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > T > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 7 08:47:27 2020 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:47:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So, many thanks to each of you who has responded. Let me answer the questions so far posed in this email. Rocky, at this time, we are still limping along with the older router - it's an ASUS-RT-N66R. I have three of them - the one that is the PPPOE and two that are AP routers for locations in the house and garage apartment. Knowing the main one was dying, I went back to Best Buy to get another, because I have liked them and did want to keep some consistency in my equipment. Best Buy no longer carries them. The Nighthawk looked like the best choice.? My friends at my ISP tolerate the fact that I want my own equipment in my setup, but, they would also like to rent me the equipment.? And, yes, the cell phone itself can reach the Internet. Jon, yes, I have heard that the router should work without registration, although the tech who came said he had found it truly did have to be registered. For setting it up, I did use the laptop and accessed the router through the routerlogin.net. Aside: several times, the browser said the routerlogin.net wasn't available, then opened it after about three tries, or only upon my entering the IP address. I was peeved because I wanted to add this router to my existing network and it comes with its own network SSID and passcode. I did figure out to get into it with its credetials and then change to mine. Gary, thanks for the thought on simply turning off the WiFi on the phone while trying to register the router through the phone app. I will try that. Peter, the modem is the one supplied by my ISP, not incorporated into the router. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. Ed, yes, I will try turning off the WiFi for the phone to make the registration connection. All - because this is starting to be a long message, I am going to write a new one with details that may make it easier to help sort things out. T Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com On 8/6/2020 3:10 PM, Tina N Fields wrote: > I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. > > Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to > replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. > > Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it > up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. > Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an > adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another > fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day > to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look > at the new router, too. > > When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them > before and that they are a little tricky because they require > registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through > the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing > connected. > > I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get > through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. > > What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the > new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet > connection through the old router - could that work? > > Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that > requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a > connection. That's goofy! > > Thanks for any help, > > T > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 7 10:34:03 2020 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 11:34:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ae365ee-c580-a2a1-81ae-a75b7d6525ac@torchlake.com> Here come the details: The new device is a Netgear Nighthawk AC31750 R6400v2 smart router . Among other things, it comes with a recommended phone app for managing the device. My historical experience has always been setting routers up with a laptop, first via USB connection, then converting to WiFi. I bought this new device to replace an ASUS-RT-N66R router at the PPPOE portal to the Internet. That router already has two dead ports and it occasionally drops the signal - I get that dreaded message across the screen: "Your Internet connection is unstable." Because virtually all my work is computer stuff over the Internet, I need a stable connection. First try: I read the startup literature that came with the router, used the QR code to download the Nighthawk app. Plugged in the router to the yellow cable from the ISP moden and waited for the router to complete its power cycle. I had my laptop with me, but was sidetracked by the recommendation to use the phone app. Very quickly realized that I didn't understand how to use that app. I was pressed for time, because I had a paper to publish, minutes to complete for the planning commission, etc. So, I put it aside until I could spend the time. That was a couple months ago. This time: Plugged in the new router to power and the ISP modem and waited for its power cycle.? Watched all the lights make their transition from amber to white, except the Internet light. Using the laptop, logged in to the routerlogin.net page, used the default credentials. Worked through the setup, step by individual step. At the Internet setup page is where it went awry. I gave it the login credentials for my ISP account and identified the type of connection, etc., every setting to match up to the current access protocols. And the connection failed. I used the old router and went searching online for solutions. The most common reason for failure to connect was forgetting to put the modem through its power cycle before starting the router. So, I did that - several times. But, no success. I don't give up easily, so I tried working on the settings again, always looking for what possible setting I had missed. Nothing worked. I called my ISP tech support and spoke with Jeremy, who informed me that there was also something they had to switch at their end. Okay, he said, that should take care of it - just wait about 15 minutes to give it time to get going. So, I did. Tried again - no success. Waited longer and tried again - no success. So, I called back. This time, tech support said they tried to "add" my new router, but couldn't. A tech was coming the next day to repair a cable, and he could look at the router for me. Ha! Tech Sean did a fine job replacing the cable. But, the router was another thing all together. First of all, he didn't know he was supposed to be doing that (little communication failure, there). Second, he said he had dealt with a few of these routers and it seems they have to get registered in order to work properly. He looked through the settings, but couldn't remember what had actually worked on other routers like mine. So, he tried asking for help, but his boss told him they don't set up people's routers for them. Not knowing what else to do, we put the old router back in place. It's up to me - with help from my friends - to figure out how to get this new router going, or swap it out for a different one. That's why I turned to you guys. Today, I tried using the phone app without the WiFi. No good, because the app requires connecting to the router via WiFi to do anything at all. I'm wondering, now, if there may be a defect in the router. Jon, you have a Nighthawk and you like it. Can you think what you may have done to set it up that I have failed to do? Thank you all for your help. T Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com On 8/7/2020 9:47 AM, Tina N Fields wrote: > So, many thanks to each of you who has responded. Let me answer the > questions so far posed in this email. > > Rocky, at this time, we are still limping along with the older router > - it's an ASUS-RT-N66R. I have three of them - the one that is the > PPPOE and two that are AP routers for locations in the house and > garage apartment. Knowing the main one was dying, I went back to Best > Buy to get another, because I have liked them and did want to keep > some consistency in my equipment. Best Buy no longer carries them. The > Nighthawk looked like the best choice.? My friends at my ISP tolerate > the fact that I want my own equipment in my setup, but, they would > also like to rent me the equipment. And, yes, the cell phone itself > can reach the Internet. > > Jon, yes, I have heard that the router should work without > registration, although the tech who came said he had found it truly > did have to be registered. For setting it up, I did use the laptop and > accessed the router through the routerlogin.net. Aside: several times, > the browser said the routerlogin.net wasn't available, then opened it > after about three tries, or only upon my entering the IP address. I > was peeved because I wanted to add this router to my existing network > and it comes with its own network SSID and passcode. I did figure out > to get into it with its credetials and then change to mine. > > Gary, thanks for the thought on simply turning off the WiFi on the > phone while trying to register the router through the phone app. I > will try that. > > Peter, the modem is the one supplied by my ISP, not incorporated into > the router. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. > > Ed, yes, I will try turning off the WiFi for the phone to make the > registration connection. > > All - because this is starting to be a long message, I am going to > write a new one with details that may make it easier to help sort > things out. > > T > > Tina Norris Fields > 231-322-2787 > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > > On 8/6/2020 3:10 PM, Tina N Fields wrote: >> I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. >> >> Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to >> replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. >> >> Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it >> up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. >> Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an >> adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another >> fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day >> to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a >> look at the new router, too. >> >> When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them >> before and that they are a little tricky because they require >> registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through >> the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing >> connected. >> >> I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get >> through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. >> >> What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into >> the new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an >> Internet connection through the old router - could that work? >> >> Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that >> requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a >> connection. That's goofy! >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> T >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 10:35:45 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 11:35:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux question Message-ID: One of my several computers runs the current Mint. I'm a few months shy of 73yo, and as was to be expected, virtually all body parts as well as the cerebellum are slowly disintegrating -- I used to be smart, and now all I have left is long-term memory. I can remember birthdays of my siblings and close friends, and even the serial number of my first bicycle, but ask me what I had for breakfast yesterday and all I have is anductive guess based on previous behaviour: probably *huevos rancheros*, which I learned how to prepare from a cook in Zihuatanejo. But I digress. It's simple enough to control the size of the Linux icons. It seems a lot more problematic to adjust the icon size of apps. Changing the size of the desktop is not inherited by the resident apps, so how do I achieve that? I want the icons etc. within, say, LibreOffice, be be large enough for me to read them without a magnifying glass. Anyone know how to achieve this? -- Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 7 11:43:55 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:43:55 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: <6ae365ee-c580-a2a1-81ae-a75b7d6525ac@torchlake.com> References: <6ae365ee-c580-a2a1-81ae-a75b7d6525ac@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Tina: Suggestion 1: I think you should return the router and ask your ISP and the folks on the list here (I cross post to Tech list and maybe AccessD as well) for a recommendation for a different router - one that doesn't require that kind of registration. Suggestion 2: Sometimes pushing a few bucks at a problem will make it go away. How much does your ISP charge per month to rent their integrated Modem/router? I have that from Spectrum and on the few occasions where it needed some help, it turned the problem over to Spectrum first. After all it's their problem not mine. And indeed they always get it fixed. That last time the problem was intermittent and so after patiently following their instructions suggested to them that the device was failing intermittently and that I would like them to swap it out for a new one. And since they had reached the end of their fixit flowchart, they agreed. An hour later I was up and running (Spectrum store is close by). Suggestion 3: Would having your ISP host the whole shebang be cost prohibitive? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields Sent: Friday, August 07, 2020 8:34 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router Here come the details: The new device is a Netgear Nighthawk AC31750 R6400v2 smart router . Among other things, it comes with a recommended phone app for managing the device. My historical experience has always been setting routers up with a laptop, first via USB connection, then converting to WiFi. I bought this new device to replace an ASUS-RT-N66R router at the PPPOE portal to the Internet. That router already has two dead ports and it occasionally drops the signal - I get that dreaded message across the screen: "Your Internet connection is unstable." Because virtually all my work is computer stuff over the Internet, I need a stable connection. First try: I read the startup literature that came with the router, used the QR code to download the Nighthawk app. Plugged in the router to the yellow cable from the ISP moden and waited for the router to complete its power cycle. I had my laptop with me, but was sidetracked by the recommendation to use the phone app. Very quickly realized that I didn't understand how to use that app. I was pressed for time, because I had a paper to publish, minutes to complete for the planning commission, etc. So, I put it aside until I could spend the time. That was a couple months ago. This time: Plugged in the new router to power and the ISP modem and waited for its power cycle.? Watched all the lights make their transition from amber to white, except the Internet light. Using the laptop, logged in to the routerlogin.net page, used the default credentials. Worked through the setup, step by individual step. At the Internet setup page is where it went awry. I gave it the login credentials for my ISP account and identified the type of connection, etc., every setting to match up to the current access protocols. And the connection failed. I used the old router and went searching online for solutions. The most common reason for failure to connect was forgetting to put the modem through its power cycle before starting the router. So, I did that - several times. But, no success. I don't give up easily, so I tried working on the settings again, always looking for what possible setting I had missed. Nothing worked. I called my ISP tech support and spoke with Jeremy, who informed me that there was also something they had to switch at their end. Okay, he said, that should take care of it - just wait about 15 minutes to give it time to get going. So, I did. Tried again - no success. Waited longer and tried again - no success. So, I called back. This time, tech support said they tried to "add" my new router, but couldn't. A tech was coming the next day to repair a cable, and he could look at the router for me. Ha! Tech Sean did a fine job replacing the cable. But, the router was another thing all together. First of all, he didn't know he was supposed to be doing that (little communication failure, there). Second, he said he had dealt with a few of these routers and it seems they have to get registered in order to work properly. He looked through the settings, but couldn't remember what had actually worked on other routers like mine. So, he tried asking for help, but his boss told him they don't set up people's routers for them. Not knowing what else to do, we put the old router back in place. It's up to me - with help from my friends - to figure out how to get this new router going, or swap it out for a different one. That's why I turned to you guys. Today, I tried using the phone app without the WiFi. No good, because the app requires connecting to the router via WiFi to do anything at all. I'm wondering, now, if there may be a defect in the router. Jon, you have a Nighthawk and you like it. Can you think what you may have done to set it up that I have failed to do? Thank you all for your help. T Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com On 8/7/2020 9:47 AM, Tina N Fields wrote: > So, many thanks to each of you who has responded. Let me answer the > questions so far posed in this email. > > Rocky, at this time, we are still limping along with the older router > - it's an ASUS-RT-N66R. I have three of them - the one that is the > PPPOE and two that are AP routers for locations in the house and > garage apartment. Knowing the main one was dying, I went back to Best > Buy to get another, because I have liked them and did want to keep > some consistency in my equipment. Best Buy no longer carries them. The > Nighthawk looked like the best choice.? My friends at my ISP tolerate > the fact that I want my own equipment in my setup, but, they would > also like to rent me the equipment. And, yes, the cell phone itself > can reach the Internet. > > Jon, yes, I have heard that the router should work without > registration, although the tech who came said he had found it truly > did have to be registered. For setting it up, I did use the laptop and > accessed the router through the routerlogin.net. Aside: several times, > the browser said the routerlogin.net wasn't available, then opened it > after about three tries, or only upon my entering the IP address. I > was peeved because I wanted to add this router to my existing network > and it comes with its own network SSID and passcode. I did figure out > to get into it with its credetials and then change to mine. > > Gary, thanks for the thought on simply turning off the WiFi on the > phone while trying to register the router through the phone app. I > will try that. > > Peter, the modem is the one supplied by my ISP, not incorporated into > the router. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. > > Ed, yes, I will try turning off the WiFi for the phone to make the > registration connection. > > All - because this is starting to be a long message, I am going to > write a new one with details that may make it easier to help sort > things out. > > T > > Tina Norris Fields > 231-322-2787 > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > > On 8/6/2020 3:10 PM, Tina N Fields wrote: >> I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. >> >> Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to >> replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. >> >> Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it >> up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. >> Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an >> adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another >> fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day >> to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a >> look at the new router, too. >> >> When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them >> before and that they are a little tricky because they require >> registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through >> the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing >> connected. >> >> I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get >> through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. >> >> What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into >> the new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an >> Internet connection through the old router - could that work? >> >> Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that >> requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a >> connection. That's goofy! >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> T >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 12:33:41 2020 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:33:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tina, I have Spectrum, and typically their modems are picky as heck, you have to power cycle them before they pick up a new mac address for a new device. For example, If you disconnect your router and plug in your computer directly it won't get an address assigned until you restart your modem. So after power cycling the modem, you should be able to just go through the steps for the router afterwards. Which model did you buy? I have this one: https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/wifi-routers/R7800.aspx and it was straightforward setting it up. I set it up with the companion app without any incident. good luck! -Francisco On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:08 PM Tina N Fields wrote: > I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. > > Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to > replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. > > Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up > and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called > tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at > their end, and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. > No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a > cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, > too. > > When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them > before and that they are a little tricky because they require > registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through the > setup together and could not find any way to get this thing connected. > > I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get > through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. > > What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the > new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet > connection through the old router - could that work? > > Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that > requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a > connection. That's goofy! > > Thanks for any help, > > T > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > 231-322-2787 > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 12:36:03 2020 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:36:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: <003501d66c28$260e6ea0$722b4be0$@tydda.plus.com> References: <003501d66c28$260e6ea0$722b4be0$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: recently I updated my firmware so I can use a product called AdGuard to help block Ads in a smarter way, and also I can use many different DNS servers and auto-select the fastest ones. so I have OpenDNS, Cloudflare, and Adguard DNS's configured. the one with the lowest ping time wins and my overall internet speeds feel faster when reaching websites ;) more info at: https://www.snbforums.com/threads/kamoj-add-on-5-1-beta-testing-poll.62315/ -Francisco On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:31 PM Jon Tydda wrote: > I've got a Nighthawk router, and I really like it. It wants me to register > for all sorts of things, but you don't need any of them. > > The best way to access it is via a laptop, rather than the phone app, you > can do so much more on the laptop. > > Just go to www.routerlogin.net and it should take you to the logon page. > If > it's the first time you've done that, the credentials should be on a label > on the router. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Tina N > Fields > Sent: 06 August 2020 20:11 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router > > I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. > > Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to replace > it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. > > Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up > and > everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called tech > support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at their end, > and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. > No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a cable > problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, too. > > When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them > before > and that they are a little tricky because they require registration before > they can access the Internet. We looked through the setup together and > could > not find any way to get this thing connected. > > I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get through > to > register the router, either - it finds no Internet. > > What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the new > router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet > connection > through the old router - could that work? > > Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that > requires > a connection in order to register so that it can have a connection. That's > goofy! > > Thanks for any help, > > T > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > 231-322-2787 > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 7 13:55:25 2020 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:55:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7eeae941-0aff-17f2-596a-88d4e00664b4@torchlake.com> Hi Francisco, Thanks for responding. Yes, I did power cycle the modem, several times, in fact. From all the input I've received and from my own experience and observation, I'm coming to the conclusion that there is something wrong with this particular router. I'm willing to give it one more try - carefully power cycling the modem - hooking up the router - logging into it with the laptop - checking each setting - and trying to get it to connect - if it doesn't go directly, calling the ISP again to ask them to do whatever it is they said they had to do at their end to recognize the new router. And if that all doesn't succeed, I'm looking for a different router. Normally, I don't have any issues setting up a new router - but this one has me baffled. T Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com On 8/7/2020 1:33 PM, fhtapia at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Tina, > > I have Spectrum, and typically their modems are picky as heck, you have to > power cycle them before they pick up a new mac address for a new device. > For example, If you disconnect your router and plug in your computer > directly it won't get an address assigned until you restart your modem. So > after power cycling the modem, you should be able to just go through the > steps for the router afterwards. > > Which model did you buy? I have this one: > https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/wifi-routers/R7800.aspx > and it was straightforward setting it up. I set it up with the companion > app without any incident. > good luck! > -Francisco > > > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:08 PM Tina N Fields > wrote: > >> I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. >> >> Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to >> replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. >> >> Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up >> and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called >> tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at >> their end, and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. >> No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a >> cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, >> too. >> >> When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them >> before and that they are a little tricky because they require >> registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through the >> setup together and could not find any way to get this thing connected. >> >> I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get >> through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. >> >> What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the >> new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet >> connection through the old router - could that work? >> >> Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that >> requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a >> connection. That's goofy! >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> T >> >> -- >> Tina Norris Fields >> 231-322-2787 >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Aug 7 16:05:15 2020 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:05:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router In-Reply-To: References: <003501d66c28$260e6ea0$722b4be0$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <20d637f3-9d9e-9e63-a47d-55f01b99d7d4@earthlink.net> On 8/7/2020 12:36, fhtapia at gmail.com wrote: > recently I updated my firmware so I can use a product called AdGuard to > help block Ads in a smarter way, and also I can use many different DNS > servers and auto-select the fastest ones. so I have OpenDNS, Cloudflare, > and Adguard DNS's configured. the one with the lowest ping time wins and my > overall internet speeds feel faster when reaching websites ;) From here, this afternoon, ping times to Google's DNS server at 8.8.8.8 are 41ms, to AdGuard's IPs 55ms. Is that diff due to the ad blocking? PB > > more info at: > https://www.snbforums.com/threads/kamoj-add-on-5-1-beta-testing-poll.62315/ > > -Francisco > > > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:31 PM Jon Tydda wrote: > >> I've got a Nighthawk router, and I really like it. It wants me to register >> for all sorts of things, but you don't need any of them. >> >> The best way to access it is via a laptop, rather than the phone app, you >> can do so much more on the laptop. >> >> Just go to www.routerlogin.net and it should take you to the logon page. >> If >> it's the first time you've done that, the credentials should be on a label >> on the router. >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Tina N >> Fields >> Sent: 06 August 2020 20:11 >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router >> >> I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. >> >> Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to replace >> it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. >> >> Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it up >> and >> everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. Called tech >> support at my ISP; they said they had to make an adjustment at their end, >> and that it should all work in about another fifteen minutes. >> No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day to take care of a cable >> problem, so it was agreed he would take a look at the new router, too. >> >> When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them >> before >> and that they are a little tricky because they require registration before >> they can access the Internet. We looked through the setup together and >> could >> not find any way to get this thing connected. >> >> I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get through >> to >> register the router, either - it finds no Internet. >> >> What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the new >> router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet >> connection >> through the old router - could that work? >> >> Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that >> requires >> a connection in order to register so that it can have a connection. That's >> goofy! >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> T >> >> -- >> Tina Norris Fields >> 231-322-2787 >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Aug 8 07:40:38 2020 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 08:40:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetGear NightHawk Router - Decision In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, thanks for all the help, everyone. Second, I have come to the conclusion that this particular router is defective. Third, I found a new ASUS RT-N66R router on Amazon and bought it. It is due to arrive Monday. I'll install it, keeping the consistency I like to have in my equipment. Once it is here and up and running, I'll come back here to let you know. Now, to satisfy my own curiosity, I'm looking to learn what the defect is - circuit, connector, conductor, electronic unit - what? Best, T Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com On 8/6/2020 3:10 PM, Tina N Fields wrote: > I hope somebody on this list has figured this one out. > > Because my main router is starting to fail, I bought a new one to > replace it. But, oh boy, am I having trouble. > > Monday - I have it all set up and I've power cycled my modem. Hook it > up and everything cycles in except it never gets to the Internet. > Called tech support at my ISP; they said they had to make an > adjustment at their end, and that it should all work in about another > fifteen minutes. No, it did not work. A tech was coming the next day > to take care of a cable problem, so it was agreed he would take a look > at the new router, too. > > When I told him what kind of router it is, he said he'd run into them > before and that they are a little tricky because they require > registration before they can access the Internet. We looked through > the setup together and could not find any way to get this thing > connected. > > I have the NightHawk app downloaded on my phone, but it can't get > through to register the router, either - it finds no Internet. > > What the heck! Maybe, if I keep the old router connected, log into the > new router, use the phone app to register, while there is an Internet > connection through the old router - could that work? > > Has anybody here dealt with this thing? It seems like a device that > requires a connection in order to register so that it can have a > connection. That's goofy! > > Thanks for any help, > > T > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 15 15:38:49 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 20:38:49 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Solution Seeks Problem Message-ID: The other day my desktop went wonky on me. The distance between the icons both vertically and horizontally increased. I didn't do anything to cause this (that I know of), but it's Windows, so you don't have to do anything. Just use it and random things will go wrong without any effort on your part. (To be fair Windows 10 has been their most solid OS, IMO...But I digress...) Google, being my friend, found the answer - not to the cause, but how to fix. It's an edit of the registry: HKEY_CURRENT_USER --> Control Panel --> Desktop --> WindowMetrics There you can modify IconSpacing (the value for horizontal spacing) and IconVerticalSpacing The legal values go from -480 to -2730 with the (absolute) larger number giving more space between the icons. The default value is -1125 but for some unknown reason, something changed them both to -1700 something. Changed them back and everything spaced out correctly on the desktop. In my search for a solution I noted a couple of references to windows updates causing this. So perhaps... Anyway, I thought I would post in case someone else runs into the same snafu. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 22:56:31 2020 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 23:56:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been to Taxco. Been to Michoacan, winter home of the Monarch butterflies, lived in Puebla for 5 years. I've been many places in Mexico, but never Zihuatanejo. Doesn't even look easy to get to. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:36 AM Arthur Fuller wrote: > One of my several computers runs the current Mint. I'm a few months shy of > 73yo, and as was to be expected, virtually all body parts as well as the > cerebellum are slowly disintegrating -- I used to be smart, and now all I > have left is long-term memory. I can remember birthdays of my siblings and > close friends, and even the serial number of my first bicycle, but ask me > what I had for breakfast yesterday and all I have is anductive guess based > on previous behaviour: probably *huevos rancheros*, which I learned how to > prepare from a cook in Zihuatanejo. But I digress. > It's simple enough to control the size of the Linux icons. It seems a lot > more problematic to adjust the icon size of apps. Changing the size of the > desktop is not inherited by the resident apps, so how do I achieve that? I > want the icons etc. within, say, LibreOffice, be be large enough for me to > read them without a magnifying glass. > Anyone know how to achieve this? > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Aug 16 00:30:17 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 05:30:17 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Click on the desktop so it has the focus. Hold down the Ctrl key. And use the mouse scroll wheel to make them bigger and smaller Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 8:57 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux question I've been to Taxco. Been to Michoacan, winter home of the Monarch butterflies, lived in Puebla for 5 years. I've been many places in Mexico, but never Zihuatanejo. Doesn't even look easy to get to. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:36 AM Arthur Fuller wrote: > One of my several computers runs the current Mint. I'm a few months shy of > 73yo, and as was to be expected, virtually all body parts as well as the > cerebellum are slowly disintegrating -- I used to be smart, and now all I > have left is long-term memory. I can remember birthdays of my siblings and > close friends, and even the serial number of my first bicycle, but ask me > what I had for breakfast yesterday and all I have is anductive guess based > on previous behaviour: probably *huevos rancheros*, which I learned how to > prepare from a cook in Zihuatanejo. But I digress. > It's simple enough to control the size of the Linux icons. It seems a lot > more problematic to adjust the icon size of apps. Changing the size of the > desktop is not inherited by the resident apps, so how do I achieve that? I > want the icons etc. within, say, LibreOffice, be be large enough for me to > read them without a magnifying glass. > Anyone know how to achieve this? > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 08:44:09 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:44:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is quite easy to get to Zihuatanejo. Fly tostayed Acaapluco then rent a car and drive a couple of hours North and you're there. Last time I visited, I stayed in a place right on the ocean-side, not even a room (which they also offered) but rather a hammock outdoors, for about $5 a night. It was an adventure! On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 11:57 PM John Colby wrote: > I've been to Taxco. Been to Michoacan, winter home of the Monarch > butterflies, lived in Puebla for 5 years. I've been many places in > Mexico, but never Zihuatanejo. Doesn't even look easy to get to. > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:36 AM Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > One of my several computers runs the current Mint. I'm a few months shy > of > > 73yo, and as was to be expected, virtually all body parts as well as the > > cerebellum are slowly disintegrating -- I used to be smart, and now all I > > have left is long-term memory. I can remember birthdays of my siblings > and > > close friends, and even the serial number of my first bicycle, but ask me > > what I had for breakfast yesterday and all I have is anductive guess > based > > on previous behaviour: probably *huevos rancheros*, which I learned how > to > > prepare from a cook in Zihuatanejo. But I digress. > > It's simple enough to control the size of the Linux icons. It seems a lot > > more problematic to adjust the icon size of apps. Changing the size of > the > > desktop is not inherited by the resident apps, so how do I achieve that? > I > > want the icons etc. within, say, LibreOffice, be be large enough for me > to > > read them without a magnifying glass. > > Anyone know how to achieve this? > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Aug 16 13:53:35 2020 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:53:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: Solution Seeks Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/15/2020 15:38, rockysmolin bchacc.com wrote: > HKEY_CURRENT_USER --> Control Panel --> Desktop --> WindowMetrics > > There you can modify IconSpacing (the value for horizontal spacing) and IconVerticalSpacing > > The legal values go from -480 to -2730 with the (absolute) larger number giving more space between the icons. 'Nuther longtime Windows mystery solved, thanks! PB From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 10:43:46 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 11:43:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected Message-ID: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 13:00:06 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:00:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is Event Viewer in Windows 10. Might help to shed some light on the issue. Right click the start button to bring it up. You will likely need to sift through a lot of things to find what you are looking for. GK Sent from my iPad > On Aug 23, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > ?I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: > > 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. > 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. > 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. > > What I've done: > > 1.) Updated network adapter driver. > 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. > 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. > > Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. > > The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) > > At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. > > While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? > > Thanks in advance! > Susan H. > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 13:04:00 2020 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:04:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DD722F0-B1CD-4012-8296-1DBD0A2B9AF2@gmail.com> Have you tried checking for ?Parental Controls?? I seem to recall that there used to be a setting that would allow/disallow internet connection during specific times. Thanks, Jeff Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > ?There is Event Viewer in Windows 10. Might help to shed some light on the issue. Right click the start button to bring it up. You will likely need to sift through a lot of things to find what you are looking for. > > GK > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 23, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> >> ?I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: >> >> 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. >> 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. >> 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. >> >> What I've done: >> >> 1.) Updated network adapter driver. >> 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. >> 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. >> >> Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. >> >> The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) >> >> At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. >> >> While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> Susan H. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 14:58:52 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:58:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101d67987$d57aa9a0$806ffce0$@gmail.com> I'll try it. I probably won't understand a thing I see, but can't hurt! Thanks! Susan H. There is Event Viewer in Windows 10. Might help to shed some light on the issue. Right click the start button to bring it up. You will likely need to sift through a lot of things to find what you are looking for. GK Sent from my iPad > On Aug 23, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > ?I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: > > 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. > 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. > 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. > > What I've done: > > 1.) Updated network adapter driver. > 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. > 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. > > Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. > > The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) > > At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. > > While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? > > Thanks in advance! > Susan H. > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 14:58:52 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:58:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <1DD722F0-B1CD-4012-8296-1DBD0A2B9AF2@gmail.com> References: <1DD722F0-B1CD-4012-8296-1DBD0A2B9AF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d67987$d64a0790$82de16b0$@gmail.com> No -- having never set them, it never occurred to me, but it's worth checking. Thanks! Susan H. Have you tried checking for ?Parental Controls?? I seem to recall that there used to be a setting that would allow/disallow internet connection during specific times. Thanks, Jeff Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > ?There is Event Viewer in Windows 10. Might help to shed some light on the issue. Right click the start button to bring it up. You will likely need to sift through a lot of things to find what you are looking for. > > GK > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 23, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: >> >> ?I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: >> >> 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. >> 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. >> 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. >> >> What I've done: >> >> 1.) Updated network adapter driver. >> 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. >> 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. >> >> Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. >> >> The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) >> >> At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. >> >> While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> Susan H. >> >> Susan H. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Aug 23 15:44:49 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:44:49 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 15:47:15 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 16:47:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. Susan H. Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? r I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Aug 23 15:48:45 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:48:45 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. Susan H. Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? r I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 15:53:43 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 16:53:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather than a new card -- correct? Susan H. Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. Susan H. Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? r I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Aug 23 16:51:37 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:51:37 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> Message-ID: No - I'm thinking hardware. They're pretty inexpensive and an easy swap. But you can try the settings advice - it's a computer - who knows? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather than a new card -- correct? Susan H. Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. Susan H. Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? r I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 17:00:08 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:00:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> I'll look into it. Bill is just convinced that someone's hacking but I don't see the evidence. So is there an NIC card? I'm tipsy because of a bad tooth -- am I looking for an NIC card? Susan H. No - I'm thinking hardware. They're pretty inexpensive and an easy swap. But you can try the settings advice - it's a computer - who knows? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather than a new card -- correct? Susan H. Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. Susan H. Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? r I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 17:27:39 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:27:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: In a desktop maybe. In a laptop probably not. Likely is embedded circuitry on the mainboard. There is likely a USB WIFI though.....looking....... yes, tons of them. Pretty cheap too. Under $15 Example........ https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-600Mbps-USBNOVEL-Wireless-10-4-10-12-2/dp/B06XRG9QDV On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM Susan Harkins wrote: > I'll look into it. Bill is just convinced that someone's hacking but I > don't see the evidence. So is there an NIC card? I'm tipsy because of a bad > tooth -- am I looking for an NIC card? > > Susan H. > > > > No - I'm thinking hardware. They're pretty inexpensive and an easy swap. > But you can try the settings advice - it's a computer - who knows? > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:54 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather than a > new card > -- correct? > > Susan H. > > > > Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to die > but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. > > r > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm > having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. > > Susan H. > > > Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then > reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? > > r > > > I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays > connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: > > 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, > so connecting quickly isn't an option. > 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. > Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and > throughout the night. > 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast > startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. > > What I've done: > > 1.) Updated network adapter driver. > 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. > 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has > worked. > > Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices > limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything > else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't > stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but > again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. > > The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now > -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. > It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't > connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) > > At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will > be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. > If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek > ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job > done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. > > While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, > but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that > -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot > friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? > > Thanks in advance! > Susan H. > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 17:47:23 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:47:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01d6799f$5e97dca0$1bc795e0$@gmail.com> I have no idea what you're talking about now. Susan h. In a desktop maybe. In a laptop probably not. Likely is embedded circuitry on the mainboard. There is likely a USB WIFI though.....looking....... yes, tons of them. Pretty cheap too. Under $15 Example........ https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-600Mbps-USBNOVEL-Wireless-10-4-10-12-2/dp/B06XRG9QDV On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM Susan Harkins wrote: > I'll look into it. Bill is just convinced that someone's hacking but I > don't see the evidence. So is there an NIC card? I'm tipsy because of > a bad tooth -- am I looking for an NIC card? > > Susan H. > > > > No - I'm thinking hardware. They're pretty inexpensive and an easy swap. > But you can try the settings advice - it's a computer - who knows? > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:54 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather > than a new card > -- correct? > > Susan H. > > > > Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to > die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. > > r > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm > having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. > > Susan H. > > > Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then > reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? > > r > > > I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it > stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: > > 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no > networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. > 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. > Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and > throughout the night. > 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled > fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. > > What I've done: > > 1.) Updated network adapter driver. > 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. > 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing > has worked. > > Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices > limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning > everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the > problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any > kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. > > The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice > now > -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. > It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I > can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) > > At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it > will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. > If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing > somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets > the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. > > While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly > names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way > to do that > -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot > friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? > > Thanks in advance! > Susan H. > > Susan H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 18:38:42 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:38:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions Message-ID: Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks are a thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the hard disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the plummeting cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the standard). Let us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on your hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How is it possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the cloud. As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is just a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data he wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what to suggest. Any advice would be most gratefully received. -- Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 23 19:23:36 2020 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 10:23:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F430888.4257.AD992C5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> SSD is not suitable for long term archival purposes. "spinning rust" may be slower, but it is more reliable for long term storage. On 23 Aug 2020 at 19:38, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks > are a thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, > the hard disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in > the plummeting cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming > the standard). Let us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like > to store movies on your hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies > stored on a few drives. How is it possible to back all that up. It > would cost you lots to use the cloud. As the numbers go up, my > comprehension seems to go down. My friend is just a consumer, not a > professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data he wants to back > up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what to suggest. Any > advice would be most gratefully received. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:04:55 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:04:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <005e01d6799f$5e97dca0$1bc795e0$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> <005e01d6799f$5e97dca0$1bc795e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bills computer is a laptop? It connects to the router/internet via WIFI? Not hard wire? The WIFI is likely built in to the laptop hardware? You COULD instead of using the built in WIFI circuitry on the laptop use a "dongle" similar to the firesticks you like to do WIFI and disable or just ignore the built in WIFI circuitry in the laptop. Assuming it's defective or beginning to fail. Since the problem seems to be time dependent, it seems like perhaps something else is perhaps overwhelming the signal during the hours that it's having trouble. Does it work if it's physically closer to the router? GK On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:47 PM Susan Harkins wrote: > I have no idea what you're talking about now. > > Susan h. > > > In a desktop maybe. In a laptop probably not. Likely is embedded > circuitry on the mainboard. There is likely a USB WIFI > though.....looking....... yes, tons of them. Pretty cheap too. Under > $15 Example........ > > > https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-600Mbps-USBNOVEL-Wireless-10-4-10-12-2/dp/B06XRG9QDV > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I'll look into it. Bill is just convinced that someone's hacking but I > > don't see the evidence. So is there an NIC card? I'm tipsy because of > > a bad tooth -- am I looking for an NIC card? > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > No - I'm thinking hardware. They're pretty inexpensive and an easy swap. > > But you can try the settings advice - it's a computer - who knows? > > > > r > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:54 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > > > Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather > > than a new card > > -- correct? > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to > > die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. > > > > r > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > > > No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm > > having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then > > reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? > > > > r > > > > > > I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it > > stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the > symptoms: > > > > 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no > > networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. > > 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. > > Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and > > throughout the night. > > 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled > > fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. > > > > What I've done: > > > > 1.) Updated network adapter driver. > > 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. > > 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing > > has worked. > > > > Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices > > limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning > > everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the > > problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any > > kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay > connected with everything else off. > > > > The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice > > now > > -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above > continues. > > It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I > > can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) > > > > At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it > > will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for > a while. > > If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing > > somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets > > the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. > > > > While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly > > names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way > > to do that > > -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot > > friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Susan H. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fahooper at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:10:04 2020 From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:10:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Backblaze has unlimited backup for a fixed price; I?ve been happy with them. Fred On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 7:39 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks are a > > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the hard > > disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the plummeting > > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the standard). Let > > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on your > > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How is it > > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the cloud. > > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is just > > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data he > > wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what to > > suggest. > > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:13:34 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:13:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Buy a second 3TB drive and copy the entire contents of the one in use to that. Putting that new drive in a "Docking Station" will allow for multiple backups. The docking stations can plug in via USB or other connection methods depending on what the existing system can use. Spinning drives are very inexpensive now and are much more trustworthy than SSD drives. You don't need the highest performing drive for backup purposes either. Slower RPM and transfer rates would work fine for a backup. Nothing is completely without chance of failure of course so having multiple generations of backup would be desirable. GK On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks are a > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the hard > disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the plummeting > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the standard). Let > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on your > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How is it > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the cloud. > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is just > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data he > wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what to > suggest. > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 21:42:21 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:42:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the tips guys. On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 9:14 p.m. Gary Kjos, wrote: > Buy a second 3TB drive and copy the entire contents of the one in use > to that. Putting that new drive in a "Docking Station" will allow > for multiple backups. The docking stations can plug in via USB or > other connection methods depending on what the existing system can > use. Spinning drives are very inexpensive now and are much more > trustworthy than SSD drives. You don't need the highest performing > drive for backup purposes either. Slower RPM and transfer rates would > work fine for a backup. Nothing is completely without chance of > failure of course so having multiple generations of backup would be > desirable. > > GK > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks are a > > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the hard > > disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the plummeting > > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the standard). > Let > > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on your > > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How is > it > > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the cloud. > > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is > just > > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data he > > wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what to > > suggest. > > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Aug 23 22:18:26 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 03:18:26 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The network interface may be part of the motherboard. If so you can just insert a new NIC into an empty slot Not sure how to disable the old one so the new one gets recognized. If it's Windows 10 it'll probably take care of all that for you. If this is a laptop then this won't work. Another cheap solution - get one of those wireless dongles that plugs into a USB port. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected I'll look into it. Bill is just convinced that someone's hacking but I don't see the evidence. So is there an NIC card? I'm tipsy because of a bad tooth -- am I looking for an NIC card? Susan H. No - I'm thinking hardware. They're pretty inexpensive and an easy swap. But you can try the settings advice - it's a computer - who knows? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather than a new card -- correct? Susan H. Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready to die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and I'm having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. Susan H. Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? r I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the symptoms: 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and throughout the night. 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. What I've done: 1.) Updated network adapter driver. 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but nothing has worked. Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd stay connected with everything else off. The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it twice now -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above continues. It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it for a while. If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a way to do that -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? Thanks in advance! Susan H. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Mon Aug 24 06:46:13 2020 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:46:13 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01d67a0c$2c0b1b90$842152b0$@de> That is what I am doing. Have two 3TB hard drives installed in my system for data storage. Each drive is partitioned as 3 logical drives with 1 TB. Synchronize them daily with the following software. Free for private use. https://www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/php/prog/prog/synchredible/p roduct/synchredible/tab/ or https://tinyurl.com/y3rqobc9 Works like a charm for years. Helmut -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Arthur Fuller Gesendet: Montag, 24. August 2020 04:42 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions Thanks for the tips guys. On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 9:14 p.m. Gary Kjos, wrote: > Buy a second 3TB drive and copy the entire contents of the one in use > to that. Putting that new drive in a "Docking Station" will allow > for multiple backups. The docking stations can plug in via USB or > other connection methods depending on what the existing system can > use. Spinning drives are very inexpensive now and are much more > trustworthy than SSD drives. You don't need the highest performing > drive for backup purposes either. Slower RPM and transfer rates would > work fine for a backup. Nothing is completely without chance of > failure of course so having multiple generations of backup would be > desirable. > > GK > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks are a > > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the hard > > disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the plummeting > > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the standard). > Let > > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on your > > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How is > it > > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the cloud. > > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is > just > > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data he > > wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what to > > suggest. > > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fahooper at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 07:11:01 2020 From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:11:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: <002d01d67a0c$2c0b1b90$842152b0$@de> References: <002d01d67a0c$2c0b1b90$842152b0$@de> Message-ID: My approach in more detail (probably overkill): I have a 2TB drive in the main system; I use FreeSync to copy to/from a NAS with two mirrored 2TB drives. FreeSync on our laptops syncs with the NAS, which is synced to the 2TB drive in the main system. Finally, the main system is backed up on Backblaze. The effect of this is that everything is backed up both locally and in the cloud. The ~$5/month Backblaze cost is the only non-hardware cost. As Backblaze (for all folders) and the NAS (for some folders) keep earlier versions we can also recover from oops events ? with FreeSync running every 10 seconds. However I manually clean out the ?deleted? folder on the NAS as I?ve never gotten around to automating it. Fred On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 7:45 AM Helmut Kotsch wrote: > That is what I am doing. > > Have two 3TB hard drives installed in my system for data storage. > > Each drive is partitioned as 3 logical drives with 1 TB. > > Synchronize them daily with the following software. Free for private use. > > > > > https://www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/php/prog/prog/synchredible/p > > roduct/synchredible/tab/ > > > > or > > > > https://tinyurl.com/y3rqobc9 > > > > Works like a charm for years. > > > > Helmut > > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag > von > > Arthur Fuller > > Gesendet: Montag, 24. August 2020 04:42 > > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions > > > > Thanks for the tips guys. > > > > > > On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 9:14 p.m. Gary Kjos, wrote: > > > > > Buy a second 3TB drive and copy the entire contents of the one in use > > > to that. Putting that new drive in a "Docking Station" will allow > > > for multiple backups. The docking stations can plug in via USB or > > > other connection methods depending on what the existing system can > > > use. Spinning drives are very inexpensive now and are much more > > > trustworthy than SSD drives. You don't need the highest performing > > > drive for backup purposes either. Slower RPM and transfer rates would > > > work fine for a backup. Nothing is completely without chance of > > > failure of course so having multiple generations of backup would be > > > desirable. > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Arthur Fuller > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks are > > a > > > > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the hard > > > > disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the > > plummeting > > > > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the standard). > > > Let > > > > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on > > your > > > > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How is > > > it > > > > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the cloud. > > > > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is > > > just > > > > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data he > > > > wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what to > > > > suggest. > > > > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Arthur > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kjos > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 08:38:58 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:38:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com> <000301d6798e$963dd580$c2b98080$@gmail.com> <000a01d6798f$7ea47680$7bed6380$@gmail.com> <003201d67998$c5cf85f0$516e91d0$@gmail.com> <005e01d6799f$5e97dca0$1bc795e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01d67a1b$ee49d4d0$cadd7e70$@gmail.com> Bills computer is a laptop? It connects to the router/internet via WIFI? Not hard wire? The WIFI is likely built in to the laptop hardware? ========All true. You COULD instead of using the built in WIFI circuitry on the laptop use a "dongle" similar to the firesticks you like to do WIFI and disable or just ignore the built in WIFI circuitry in the laptop. Assuming it's defective or beginning to fail. ========Thank you -- that might work. Since the problem seems to be time dependent, it seems like perhaps something else is perhaps overwhelming the signal during the hours that it's having trouble. Does it work if it's physically closer to the router? ========It does seem odd, doesn't it? It seems like everything would get dropped then -- it would be more random instead of it consistently being him. Being closer to the router doesn't help. Thanks! Susan H. GK On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:47 PM Susan Harkins wrote: > I have no idea what you're talking about now. > > Susan h. > > > In a desktop maybe. In a laptop probably not. Likely is embedded > circuitry on the mainboard. There is likely a USB WIFI > though.....looking....... yes, tons of them. Pretty cheap too. > Under > $15 Example........ > > > https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-600Mbps-USBNOVEL-Wireless-10-4-10-12-2/ > dp/B06XRG9QDV > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM Susan Harkins wrote: > > > I'll look into it. Bill is just convinced that someone's hacking but > > I don't see the evidence. So is there an NIC card? I'm tipsy because > > of a bad tooth -- am I looking for an NIC card? > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > No - I'm thinking hardware. They're pretty inexpensive and an easy swap. > > But you can try the settings advice - it's a computer - who knows? > > > > r > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:54 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > > > Well, I searched on swapping NIC -- it sound like a setting rather > > than a new card > > -- correct? > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > Well I'm still going to bet a dollar on a flaky NIC - getting ready > > to die but probably won't before it makes you totally crazed. > > > > r > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:47 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected > > > > No, I don't think so. House is cool, not in a sunny window.... and > > I'm having no problem staying on -- nor any of our other devices. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > Could it be heat related? Based on the time of day it quits and > > then reconnects? Try swapping out the NIC? > > > > r > > > > > > I have one pc that can't stay online during the day. At night... it > > stays connected all night, at least when we check. Below are the > symptoms: > > > > 1.) Consistently disconnects starting around 10am and shows no > > networks, so connecting quickly isn't an option. > > 2.) When we reboot, it connects but disconnects (repeating 1.) quickly. > > Connection starts working again in the late afternoon, evening and > > throughout the night. > > 3.) Randomly turns itself on. This just started. I haven't disabled > > fast startup, but I'm getting ready to do that this morning. > > > > What I've done: > > > > 1.) Updated network adapter driver. > > 2.) Uninstalled and reinstalled network adapter. > > 3.) A number of other things that the Internet suggested, but > > nothing has worked. > > > > Usage isn't the problem -- we are not going over our connected > > devices limit. But, I have played around with that a bit anyway. > > Turning everything else off (except the firesticks) doesn't correct > > the problem -- still won't stay connected. I'm not aware of having > > any kind of "data" usage limit, but again, even if there were, he'd > > stay > connected with everything else off. > > > > The router did show an unknown on our 2G and I've backlisted it > > twice now > > -- different mac address. It hasn't shown back up, but the above > continues. > > It's probably something of ours and I can't identify it -- when I > > can't connect it later, I'll remember -- aha! (I hope!) > > > > At this point, I'm ready to change our wifi password, even though it > > will be a royal pia. If someone is hacking, that'll take care of it > > for > a while. > > If the above continues, any other suggestions -- perhaps replacing > > somek ind of card???? It's an older unit, but still runs fine and > > gets the job done. I'd rather not replace it until I really need to. > > > > While we're on this topic -- I've given all of my devices friendly > > names, but only a few show up on the router admin page. Is there a > > way to do that > > -- so that the router displays those names? Bedroom firestick is a > > lot friendly than alfbafbhahf;ah fa faj ffajf. ? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Susan H. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 24 09:18:03 2020 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:18:03 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <003c01d67a1b$ee49d4d0$cadd7e70$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com>, , <003c01d67a1b$ee49d4d0$cadd7e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F43CC1B.22644.11586F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Is the WiFI 2.4GHz or 5GHz Can you try changing from one to the other? On 24 Aug 2020 at 9:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Bills computer is a laptop? > > It connects to the router/internet via WIFI? Not hard wire? > > The WIFI is likely built in to the laptop hardware? > > ========All true. > > You COULD instead of using the built in WIFI circuitry on the laptop > use a "dongle" similar to the firesticks you like to do WIFI and > disable or just ignore the built in WIFI circuitry in the laptop. > Assuming it's defective or beginning to fail. > > ========Thank you -- that might work. > > Since the problem seems to be time dependent, it seems like perhaps > something else is perhaps overwhelming the signal during the hours > that it's having trouble. Does it work if it's physically closer to > the router? > > ========It does seem odd, doesn't it? It seems like everything would > get dropped then -- it would be more random instead of it consistently > being him. Being closer to the router doesn't help. > > Thanks! > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 13:22:38 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:22:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <5F43CC1B.22644.11586F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com>, , <003c01d67a1b$ee49d4d0$cadd7e70$@gmail.com> <5F43CC1B.22644.11586F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02df01d67a43$8d32ea10$a798be30$@gmail.com> I wish I'd thought of this sooner but it didn't occur to me at all. I remembered this morning that Bil's laptop is a year older than mine and why it was working fine and just stopped... but I have no idea when updates come through and I guess his system simply can't handle the latest. Thanks for suggesting this. It still doesn't explain the timing issue, but using 2G during the day won't phase him. Susan H. Is the WiFI 2.4GHz or 5GHz Can you try changing from one to the other? On 24 Aug 2020 at 9:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Bills computer is a laptop? > > It connects to the router/internet via WIFI? Not hard wire? > > The WIFI is likely built in to the laptop hardware? > > ========All true. > > You COULD instead of using the built in WIFI circuitry on the laptop > use a "dongle" similar to the firesticks you like to do WIFI and > disable or just ignore the built in WIFI circuitry in the laptop. > Assuming it's defective or beginning to fail. > > ========Thank you -- that might work. > > Since the problem seems to be time dependent, it seems like perhaps > something else is perhaps overwhelming the signal during the hours > that it's having trouble. Does it work if it's physically closer to > the router? > > ========It does seem odd, doesn't it? It seems like everything would > get dropped then -- it would be more random instead of it consistently > being him. Being closer to the router doesn't help. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Aug 24 13:44:51 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:44:51 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: <02df01d67a43$8d32ea10$a798be30$@gmail.com> References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com>, , <003c01d67a1b$ee49d4d0$cadd7e70$@gmail.com> <5F43CC1B.22644.11586F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <02df01d67a43$8d32ea10$a798be30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: So wipe, format, and reload? -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected I wish I'd thought of this sooner but it didn't occur to me at all. I remembered this morning that Bil's laptop is a year older than mine and why it was working fine and just stopped... but I have no idea when updates come through and I guess his system simply can't handle the latest. Thanks for suggesting this. It still doesn't explain the timing issue, but using 2G during the day won't phase him. Susan H. Is the WiFI 2.4GHz or 5GHz Can you try changing from one to the other? On 24 Aug 2020 at 9:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Bills computer is a laptop? > > It connects to the router/internet via WIFI? Not hard wire? > > The WIFI is likely built in to the laptop hardware? > > ========All true. > > You COULD instead of using the built in WIFI circuitry on the laptop > use a "dongle" similar to the firesticks you like to do WIFI and > disable or just ignore the built in WIFI circuitry in the laptop. > Assuming it's defective or beginning to fail. > > ========Thank you -- that might work. > > Since the problem seems to be time dependent, it seems like perhaps > something else is perhaps overwhelming the signal during the hours > that it's having trouble. Does it work if it's physically closer to > the router? > > ========It does seem odd, doesn't it? It seems like everything would > get dropped then -- it would be more random instead of it consistently > being him. Being closer to the router doesn't help. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 14:05:47 2020 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:05:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] pc can't stay connected In-Reply-To: References: <006601d67964$30ed31f0$92c795d0$@gmail.com>, , <003c01d67a1b$ee49d4d0$cadd7e70$@gmail.com> <5F43CC1B.22644.11586F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <02df01d67a43$8d32ea10$a798be30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <035401d67a49$93e75160$bbb5f420$@gmail.com> No... leaving it alone for now. ? Susan H. So wipe, format, and reload? I wish I'd thought of this sooner but it didn't occur to me at all. I remembered this morning that Bil's laptop is a year older than mine and why it was working fine and just stopped... but I have no idea when updates come through and I guess his system simply can't handle the latest. Thanks for suggesting this. It still doesn't explain the timing issue, but using 2G during the day won't phase him. Susan H. Is the WiFI 2.4GHz or 5GHz Can you try changing from one to the other? On 24 Aug 2020 at 9:38, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Bills computer is a laptop? > > It connects to the router/internet via WIFI? Not hard wire? > > The WIFI is likely built in to the laptop hardware? > > ========All true. > > You COULD instead of using the built in WIFI circuitry on the laptop > use a "dongle" similar to the firesticks you like to do WIFI and > disable or just ignore the built in WIFI circuitry in the laptop. > Assuming it's defective or beginning to fail. > > ========Thank you -- that might work. > > Since the problem seems to be time dependent, it seems like perhaps > something else is perhaps overwhelming the signal during the hours > that it's having trouble. Does it work if it's physically closer to > the router? > > ========It does seem odd, doesn't it? It seems like everything would > get dropped then -- it would be more random instead of it consistently > being him. Being closer to the router doesn't help. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Aug 25 04:43:11 2020 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:43:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: <002d01d67a0c$2c0b1b90$842152b0$@de> References: <002d01d67a0c$2c0b1b90$842152b0$@de> Message-ID: <008d01d67ac4$26c71bd0$74555370$@tydda.plus.com> In my desktop I have a 500gb SSD C: drive, a 2TB D: drive and a 4TB E: drive. Every month or so I run a script that backs up C & D to E (only copying files that are newer, or that don't exist in the destination), and then does the same to backup E to my Western Digital MyCloud 6TB NAS which is in the garage (so, it's my "offsite" backup). Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch Sent: 24 August 2020 12:46 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions That is what I am doing. Have two 3TB hard drives installed in my system for data storage. Each drive is partitioned as 3 logical drives with 1 TB. Synchronize them daily with the following software. Free for private use. https://www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/php/prog/prog/synchredible/p roduct/synchredible/tab/ or https://tinyurl.com/y3rqobc9 Works like a charm for years. Helmut -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Arthur Fuller Gesendet: Montag, 24. August 2020 04:42 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions Thanks for the tips guys. On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 9:14 p.m. Gary Kjos, wrote: > Buy a second 3TB drive and copy the entire contents of the one in use > to that. Putting that new drive in a "Docking Station" will allow > for multiple backups. The docking stations can plug in via USB or > other connection methods depending on what the existing system can > use. Spinning drives are very inexpensive now and are much more > trustworthy than SSD drives. You don't need the highest performing > drive for backup purposes either. Slower RPM and transfer rates would > work fine for a backup. Nothing is completely without chance of > failure of course so having multiple generations of backup would be > desirable. > > GK > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Arthur Fuller > > wrote: > > > > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks > > are a > > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the > > hard disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the plummeting > > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the standard). > Let > > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on your > > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How > > is > it > > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the cloud. > > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend > > is > just > > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data > > he wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea > > what to suggest. > > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 08:43:31 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:43:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d67a0c$2c0b1b90$842152b0$@de> Message-ID: All my boxes save the eldest are laptops. The eldest runs Win7 and is probably cheaper to replace than upgrade. I also read somewhere that towers are an inherently bad idea, since they gather so much dust. I sort of want to keep the eldest one around, if only for nostalgia. Currently my desk is getting too crowded -- three laptops, each running a different OS (Linux Mint, Win10 and Google Chrome), plus two tablets running Android -- and all this on the desk of a retired programmer. It sounds ridiculous, and perhaps it is. As Michael Corleone said, "I keep trying to get out, but they keep dragging me back in." The next thing I need to learn is how to network them despite all their different OSes. Actually that's the second thing. First is that only the Win10 laptop is able to see the net. The Linux wifi setup dialogs are in such miserable colours that I find them impossible to read On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:11 AM Fred Hooper wrote: > My approach in more detail (probably overkill): > > I have a 2TB drive in the main system; I use FreeSync to copy to/from a NAS > with two mirrored 2TB drives. FreeSync on our laptops syncs with the NAS, > which is synced to the 2TB drive in the main system. Finally, the main > system is backed up on Backblaze. > > The effect of this is that everything is backed up both locally and in the > cloud. The ~$5/month Backblaze cost is the only non-hardware cost. > > As Backblaze (for all folders) and the NAS (for some folders) keep earlier > versions we can also recover from oops events ? with FreeSync running every > 10 seconds. However I manually clean out the ?deleted? folder on the NAS as > I?ve never gotten around to automating it. > > Fred > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 7:45 AM Helmut Kotsch wrote: > > > That is what I am doing. > > > > Have two 3TB hard drives installed in my system for data storage. > > > > Each drive is partitioned as 3 logical drives with 1 TB. > > > > Synchronize them daily with the following software. Free for private use. > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/php/prog/prog/synchredible/p > > > > roduct/synchredible/tab/ > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > https://tinyurl.com/y3rqobc9 > > > > > > > > Works like a charm for years. > > > > > > > > Helmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag > > von > > > > Arthur Fuller > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 24. August 2020 04:42 > > > > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tips guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 9:14 p.m. Gary Kjos, wrote: > > > > > > > > > Buy a second 3TB drive and copy the entire contents of the one in use > > > > > to that. Putting that new drive in a "Docking Station" will allow > > > > > for multiple backups. The docking stations can plug in via USB or > > > > > other connection methods depending on what the existing system can > > > > > use. Spinning drives are very inexpensive now and are much more > > > > > trustworthy than SSD drives. You don't need the highest performing > > > > > drive for backup purposes either. Slower RPM and transfer rates would > > > > > work fine for a backup. Nothing is completely without chance of > > > > > failure of course so having multiple generations of backup would be > > > > > desirable. > > > > > > > > > > GK > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Arthur Fuller > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks > are > > > > a > > > > > > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the > hard > > > > > > disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the > > > > plummeting > > > > > > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the > standard). > > > > > Let > > > > > > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on > > > > your > > > > > > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How > is > > > > > it > > > > > > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the > cloud. > > > > > > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is > > > > > just > > > > > > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data > he > > > > > > wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what > to > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Arthur > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 09:59:28 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:59:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud Storage Solutions Message-ID: I'm concentrating on the free ones, and seeking advice from everyone who has tried more than one. MS offers OneDrive, Google offers another; add DropBox and Box. I think there is at least one Linux equivalent. For the moment, let's stick with the Windows-compatible offerings. But wait -- why that proviso? Can I connect, for example, my Linux box to OneDrive and save both my Linux and Windows files to it? Etc. Now, suppose that after trying a few solutions, I settle upon one. Is it possible to easily move files from Cloud X to Cloud Y? I suppose that the final concern is speed. Are benchmarks available? Any help shall be gratefully received. -- Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 25 11:24:34 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 16:24:34 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d67a0c$2c0b1b90$842152b0$@de> Message-ID: My limitation with laptops is the display size. Second would be the real estate they take on the desk as opposed to a big display at the back of the desk and a keyboard and mouse. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 6:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions All my boxes save the eldest are laptops. The eldest runs Win7 and is probably cheaper to replace than upgrade. I also read somewhere that towers are an inherently bad idea, since they gather so much dust. I sort of want to keep the eldest one around, if only for nostalgia. Currently my desk is getting too crowded -- three laptops, each running a different OS (Linux Mint, Win10 and Google Chrome), plus two tablets running Android -- and all this on the desk of a retired programmer. It sounds ridiculous, and perhaps it is. As Michael Corleone said, "I keep trying to get out, but they keep dragging me back in." The next thing I need to learn is how to network them despite all their different OSes. Actually that's the second thing. First is that only the Win10 laptop is able to see the net. The Linux wifi setup dialogs are in such miserable colours that I find them impossible to read On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:11 AM Fred Hooper wrote: > My approach in more detail (probably overkill): > > I have a 2TB drive in the main system; I use FreeSync to copy to/from a NAS > with two mirrored 2TB drives. FreeSync on our laptops syncs with the NAS, > which is synced to the 2TB drive in the main system. Finally, the main > system is backed up on Backblaze. > > The effect of this is that everything is backed up both locally and in the > cloud. The ~$5/month Backblaze cost is the only non-hardware cost. > > As Backblaze (for all folders) and the NAS (for some folders) keep earlier > versions we can also recover from oops events ? with FreeSync running every > 10 seconds. However I manually clean out the ?deleted? folder on the NAS as > I?ve never gotten around to automating it. > > Fred > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 7:45 AM Helmut Kotsch wrote: > > > That is what I am doing. > > > > Have two 3TB hard drives installed in my system for data storage. > > > > Each drive is partitioned as 3 logical drives with 1 TB. > > > > Synchronize them daily with the following software. Free for private use. > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/php/prog/prog/synchredible/p > > > > roduct/synchredible/tab/ > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > https://tinyurl.com/y3rqobc9 > > > > > > > > Works like a charm for years. > > > > > > > > Helmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag > > von > > > > Arthur Fuller > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 24. August 2020 04:42 > > > > An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Local storage, backups, SSD questions > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tips guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 9:14 p.m. Gary Kjos, wrote: > > > > > > > > > Buy a second 3TB drive and copy the entire contents of the one in use > > > > > to that. Putting that new drive in a "Docking Station" will allow > > > > > for multiple backups. The docking stations can plug in via USB or > > > > > other connection methods depending on what the existing system can > > > > > use. Spinning drives are very inexpensive now and are much more > > > > > trustworthy than SSD drives. You don't need the highest performing > > > > > drive for backup purposes either. Slower RPM and transfer rates would > > > > > work fine for a backup. Nothing is completely without chance of > > > > > failure of course so having multiple generations of backup would be > > > > > desirable. > > > > > > > > > > GK > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM Arthur Fuller > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that I'm expert in hardware, but it seems to me that hard disks > are > > > > a > > > > > > thing of the past; given the size and price and speed of SSDs, the > hard > > > > > > disk seems doomed. Add to that cloud technology. Factor in the > > > > plummeting > > > > > > cost/storage ratio of hard disks (3TB seems to becoming the > standard). > > > > > Let > > > > > > us suppose that, like my friend Douglas, you like to store movies on > > > > your > > > > > > hard drives. He has at least 1000 movies stored on a few drives. How > is > > > > > it > > > > > > possible to back all that up. It would cost you lots to use the > cloud. > > > > > > As the numbers go up, my comprehension seems to go down. My friend is > > > > > just > > > > > > a consumer, not a professional. Let's assume that he has 3TB of data > he > > > > > > wants to back up. He looks to me for advice and I have no idea what > to > > > > > > suggest. > > > > > > Any advice would be most gratefully received. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Arthur > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Aug 30 13:41:58 2020 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:41:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Router issues figured out Message-ID: <28d3831b-9435-64fa-2da8-3cc3fe885e5f@torchlake.com> Hi All, Ultimately, there was probably nothing wrong with my NetGear Nighthawk router. Nor, is there anything wrong with the new ASUS RT-N66R. But, neither one was willing to connect to the Internet. Finally, while I was speaking with tech support, I asked to check that the credentials I was using were still correct - my user name and password. The tech didn't know what I was talking about. "You know, the user name and password I have to use to connect to your server," I said. "Oh, no!" he said, "If it's asking you for a log-in then you? shouldn't be on a PPPoE setup." "Whoa!" I said, "The first step in the? router setup is to answer the question 'Does your Internet Service Provider require a user name and password?' and I answered 'Yes.'" Well, that's the way my setup was first implemented, when their head tech came and put it in place, here. But, that was probably ten or 15 years ago. There's been a change - the system now recognizes the MAC address of the router. When a new router is installed, they have to do something at their end to recognize it. But, using my credentials was actually preventing the connection. When I started over with the setup and answered "No" to the initial question, everything worked. It would have been nice of them to let me know about the change, but, I realize that I am one of very few of their customers who set up their own equipment, so it probably never occurred to anyone to advise me. I thought you all would like to know how things worked out and what the teeny-tiny problem really was. Regards, T -- Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com From eptept at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 14:32:10 2020 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:32:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Router issues figured out In-Reply-To: <28d3831b-9435-64fa-2da8-3cc3fe885e5f@torchlake.com> References: <28d3831b-9435-64fa-2da8-3cc3fe885e5f@torchlake.com> Message-ID: glad you got it all worked out Tina, such little details make a huge difference.. On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tina N Fields wrote: > Hi All, > > Ultimately, there was probably nothing wrong with my NetGear Nighthawk > router. Nor, is there anything wrong with the new ASUS RT-N66R. But, > neither one was willing to connect to the Internet. > > Finally, while I was speaking with tech support, I asked to check that > the credentials I was using were still correct - my user name and > password. The tech didn't know what I was talking about. "You know, the > user name and password I have to use to connect to your server," I said. > "Oh, no!" he said, "If it's asking you for a log-in then you shouldn't > be on a PPPoE setup." "Whoa!" I said, "The first step in the router > setup is to answer the question 'Does your Internet Service Provider > require a user name and password?' and I answered 'Yes.'" > > Well, that's the way my setup was first implemented, when their head > tech came and put it in place, here. But, that was probably ten or 15 > years ago. There's been a change - the system now recognizes the MAC > address of the router. When a new router is installed, they have to do > something at their end to recognize it. But, using my credentials was > actually preventing the connection. When I started over with the setup > and answered "No" to the initial question, everything worked. It would > have been nice of them to let me know about the change, but, I realize > that I am one of very few of their customers who set up their own > equipment, so it probably never occurred to anyone to advise me. > > I thought you all would like to know how things worked out and what the > teeny-tiny problem really was. > > Regards, > T > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > 231-322-2787 > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at outlook.com Sun Aug 30 19:19:51 2020 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:19:51 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Router issues figured out In-Reply-To: <28d3831b-9435-64fa-2da8-3cc3fe885e5f@torchlake.com> References: <28d3831b-9435-64fa-2da8-3cc3fe885e5f@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Investigator Tina - Good Job! Thanks for the update. I really like hearing stories of problem solving like this one. If I ever have a router problem ... ! Dan ________________________________ From: dba-Tech on behalf of Tina N Fields Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 13:41 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Router issues figured out Hi All, Ultimately, there was probably nothing wrong with my NetGear Nighthawk router. Nor, is there anything wrong with the new ASUS RT-N66R. But, neither one was willing to connect to the Internet. Finally, while I was speaking with tech support, I asked to check that the credentials I was using were still correct - my user name and password. The tech didn't know what I was talking about. "You know, the user name and password I have to use to connect to your server," I said. "Oh, no!" he said, "If it's asking you for a log-in then you shouldn't be on a PPPoE setup." "Whoa!" I said, "The first step in the router setup is to answer the question 'Does your Internet Service Provider require a user name and password?' and I answered 'Yes.'" Well, that's the way my setup was first implemented, when their head tech came and put it in place, here. But, that was probably ten or 15 years ago. There's been a change - the system now recognizes the MAC address of the router. When a new router is installed, they have to do something at their end to recognize it. But, using my credentials was actually preventing the connection. When I started over with the setup and answered "No" to the initial question, everything worked. It would have been nice of them to let me know about the change, but, I realize that I am one of very few of their customers who set up their own equipment, so it probably never occurred to anyone to advise me. I thought you all would like to know how things worked out and what the teeny-tiny problem really was. Regards, T -- Tina Norris Fields 231-322-2787 tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com