From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Jan 2 16:50:46 2020 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 16:50:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm Message-ID: <680f3d27-3f48-3249-1409-0609a75164b4@earthlink.net> Haven't yet finished "The Ethical Algorithm: The Science of Socially Aware Algorithm Design" by Michael Kearns & Aaron Roth, but I can say it's terrific and oh so relevant. Wait, how can an algorithm be (un)ethical? Isn't it just a tool, like a hammer? Not quite. An algorithm makes decisions based on the model it's using and the data it finds. Such decisions are unpredictable, can implement intended or unintended biases, and can have serious personal & social consequences. Early in the book they describe a 1990s incident that highlighted cyberprivacy concerns. Massachusetts released historical medical data on state employees for medical research purposes. A good progressive move, right? Individual privacy was protected by removal of individual identifiers like name, address, social security number. A young graduate student said wait a minute, if I cross-reference this data with drivers' licences & voter lists, I can match the anonymised medical data with names ages & addresses. To make the point she sent the governor of Massachusetts his medical history. Kearns & Roth address algorithmic privacy, fairness, interpretability, morality, and the possibility of an ultraintelligent machine (an AI "singularity"). Privacy is the most mature (or if you prefer, the least immature) domain, but they're all fascinating & worrying. Recommended. PB From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 12:56:58 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 13:56:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm In-Reply-To: <680f3d27-3f48-3249-1409-0609a75164b4@earthlink.net> References: <680f3d27-3f48-3249-1409-0609a75164b4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'll make this the next thing to purchase, but I'm just now about 100 pages into Le Carre, so this will have to wait a few days. Le Carre is such a great writer that I am compelled to re-read paragraph after paragraph. Although they have nothing else in common, it recalls memories of Gore Vidal, who had an incomparable ability to save the point of a paragraph until its final word. Le Carre has this ability, and also the ability to skewer his opponents in a single sentence. I stand in awe of his skill. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:51 PM Peter Brawley wrote: > Haven't yet finished "The Ethical Algorithm: The Science of Socially > Aware Algorithm Design" by Michael Kearns & Aaron Roth, but I can say > it's terrific and oh so relevant. > > Wait, how can an algorithm be (un)ethical? Isn't it just a tool, like a > hammer? Not quite. An algorithm makes decisions based on the model it's > using and the data it finds. Such decisions are unpredictable, can > implement intended or unintended biases, and can have serious personal & > social consequences. > > Early in the book they describe a 1990s incident that highlighted > cyberprivacy concerns. Massachusetts released historical medical data on > state employees for medical research purposes. A good progressive move, > right? Individual privacy was protected by removal of individual > identifiers like name, address, social security number. A young graduate > student said wait a minute, if I cross-reference this data with drivers' > licences & voter lists, I can match the anonymised medical data with > names ages & addresses. To make the point she sent the governor of > Massachusetts his medical history. > > Kearns & Roth address algorithmic privacy, fairness, interpretability, > morality, and the possibility of an ultraintelligent machine (an AI > "singularity"). Privacy is the most mature (or if you prefer, the least > immature) domain, but they're all fascinating & worrying. Recommended. > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From df.waters at outlook.com Fri Jan 3 13:08:12 2020 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 19:08:12 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm In-Reply-To: References: <680f3d27-3f48-3249-1409-0609a75164b4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Which one of Le Carre's books are you reading? My next one is The Night Manager - I watched the mini-series which was quite good. Perhaps the book will be better! -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: January 3, 2020 12:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm I'll make this the next thing to purchase, but I'm just now about 100 pages into Le Carre, so this will have to wait a few days. Le Carre is such a great writer that I am compelled to re-read paragraph after paragraph. Although they have nothing else in common, it recalls memories of Gore Vidal, who had an incomparable ability to save the point of a paragraph until its final word. Le Carre has this ability, and also the ability to skewer his opponents in a single sentence. I stand in awe of his skill. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:51 PM Peter Brawley wrote: > Haven't yet finished "The Ethical Algorithm: The Science of Socially > Aware Algorithm Design" by Michael Kearns & Aaron Roth, but I can say > it's terrific and oh so relevant. > > Wait, how can an algorithm be (un)ethical? Isn't it just a tool, like a > hammer? Not quite. An algorithm makes decisions based on the model it's > using and the data it finds. Such decisions are unpredictable, can > implement intended or unintended biases, and can have serious personal & > social consequences. > > Early in the book they describe a 1990s incident that highlighted > cyberprivacy concerns. Massachusetts released historical medical data on > state employees for medical research purposes. A good progressive move, > right? Individual privacy was protected by removal of individual > identifiers like name, address, social security number. A young graduate > student said wait a minute, if I cross-reference this data with drivers' > licences & voter lists, I can match the anonymised medical data with > names ages & addresses. To make the point she sent the governor of > Massachusetts his medical history. > > Kearns & Roth address algorithmic privacy, fairness, interpretability, > morality, and the possibility of an ultraintelligent machine (an AI > "singularity"). Privacy is the most mature (or if you prefer, the least > immature) domain, but they're all fascinating & worrying. Recommended. > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 3 15:51:11 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 21:51:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm In-Reply-To: References: <680f3d27-3f48-3249-1409-0609a75164b4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I got a whole slug of Le Carre on mp3s. Agree. His command of the language is awesome. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 10:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm I'll make this the next thing to purchase, but I'm just now about 100 pages into Le Carre, so this will have to wait a few days. Le Carre is such a great writer that I am compelled to re-read paragraph after paragraph. Although they have nothing else in common, it recalls memories of Gore Vidal, who had an incomparable ability to save the point of a paragraph until its final word. Le Carre has this ability, and also the ability to skewer his opponents in a single sentence. I stand in awe of his skill. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:51 PM Peter Brawley wrote: > Haven't yet finished "The Ethical Algorithm: The Science of Socially > Aware Algorithm Design" by Michael Kearns & Aaron Roth, but I can say > it's terrific and oh so relevant. > > Wait, how can an algorithm be (un)ethical? Isn't it just a tool, like a > hammer? Not quite. An algorithm makes decisions based on the model it's > using and the data it finds. Such decisions are unpredictable, can > implement intended or unintended biases, and can have serious personal & > social consequences. > > Early in the book they describe a 1990s incident that highlighted > cyberprivacy concerns. Massachusetts released historical medical data on > state employees for medical research purposes. A good progressive move, > right? Individual privacy was protected by removal of individual > identifiers like name, address, social security number. A young graduate > student said wait a minute, if I cross-reference this data with drivers' > licences & voter lists, I can match the anonymised medical data with > names ages & addresses. To make the point she sent the governor of > Massachusetts his medical history. > > Kearns & Roth address algorithmic privacy, fairness, interpretability, > morality, and the possibility of an ultraintelligent machine (an AI > "singularity"). Privacy is the most mature (or if you prefer, the least > immature) domain, but they're all fascinating & worrying. Recommended. > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Fri Jan 3 16:03:38 2020 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 22:03:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm In-Reply-To: References: <680f3d27-3f48-3249-1409-0609a75164b4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Where did those come from? -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com Sent: January 3, 2020 15:51 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm I got a whole slug of Le Carre on mp3s. Agree. His command of the language is awesome. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 10:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] the ethical algorithm I'll make this the next thing to purchase, but I'm just now about 100 pages into Le Carre, so this will have to wait a few days. Le Carre is such a great writer that I am compelled to re-read paragraph after paragraph. Although they have nothing else in common, it recalls memories of Gore Vidal, who had an incomparable ability to save the point of a paragraph until its final word. Le Carre has this ability, and also the ability to skewer his opponents in a single sentence. I stand in awe of his skill. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:51 PM Peter Brawley wrote: > Haven't yet finished "The Ethical Algorithm: The Science of Socially > Aware Algorithm Design" by Michael Kearns & Aaron Roth, but I can say > it's terrific and oh so relevant. > > Wait, how can an algorithm be (un)ethical? Isn't it just a tool, like a > hammer? Not quite. An algorithm makes decisions based on the model it's > using and the data it finds. Such decisions are unpredictable, can > implement intended or unintended biases, and can have serious personal & > social consequences. > > Early in the book they describe a 1990s incident that highlighted > cyberprivacy concerns. Massachusetts released historical medical data on > state employees for medical research purposes. A good progressive move, > right? Individual privacy was protected by removal of individual > identifiers like name, address, social security number. A young graduate > student said wait a minute, if I cross-reference this data with drivers' > licences & voter lists, I can match the anonymised medical data with > names ages & addresses. To make the point she sent the governor of > Massachusetts his medical history. > > Kearns & Roth address algorithmic privacy, fairness, interpretability, > morality, and the possibility of an ultraintelligent machine (an AI > "singularity"). Privacy is the most mature (or if you prefer, the least > immature) domain, but they're all fascinating & worrying. Recommended. > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 12:54:49 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursed be Avast Message-ID: These vicious sons of bitches have even figured out a way to deny Task Manager to stop their tasks, and also to prevent the typical uninstall procedure from working. Before I restore the disk to its original settings, I must be, is there are way to do something less drastic? This company is evil, plain and simple. DO NOT install anything made by this firm! I guarantee that you will regret it. STAY AWAY. Perhaps a class-action suit is the only solution. -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 13:08:44 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:08:44 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursed be Avast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They have an uninstaller called avastclear. https://www.avast.com/en-us/uninstall-utility On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:55 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > These vicious sons of bitches have even figured out a way to deny Task > Manager to stop their tasks, and also to prevent the typical uninstall > procedure from working. > Before I restore the disk to its original settings, I must be, is there are > way to do something less drastic? > This company is evil, plain and simple. DO NOT install anything made by > this firm! I guarantee that you will regret it. STAY AWAY. Perhaps a > class-action suit is the only solution. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Jan 13 13:53:33 2020 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:53:33 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursed be Avast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Although I agree with your sentiments concerning Avast (but for different reasons), pretty much any decent security program won't allow that. Be a pretty simple way to infect a PC. Code Follows: Line 1: "Stop Security Program" Line 2: "Destroy Everything at Will" ? :-D Go into Settings - Apps - find Avast - Click it - Click Uninstall - Enter their silly verification thingie. All done. John Bartow WinHaven IT Consulting -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Cursed be Avast These vicious sons of bitches have even figured out a way to deny Task Manager to stop their tasks, and also to prevent the typical uninstall procedure from working. Before I restore the disk to its original settings, I must be, is there are way to do something less drastic? This company is evil, plain and simple. DO NOT install anything made by this firm! I guarantee that you will regret it. STAY AWAY. Perhaps a class-action suit is the only solution. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 09:48:55 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:48:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer Message-ID: Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years old. probably older. The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, it is working properly. Except that it isn't. Any suggestion -- Arthur From df.waters at outlook.com Thu Jan 16 10:00:24 2020 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:00:24 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps you could try a different CD/DVD drive? Or, now that you've got the machine running, try updating the driver for the CD/DVD drive? Good Luck, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: January 16, 2020 9:49 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years old. probably older. The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, it is working properly. Except that it isn't. Any suggestion -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 16 11:03:56 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 17:03:56 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps the CD you are using is not a bootable CD or has the boot track damaged. Suggest you try another CD. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years old. probably older. The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, it is working properly. Except that it isn't. Any suggestion -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 13:44:50 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:44:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not the CDs that are the problem. It's the drive itself, I think. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:04 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > Perhaps the CD you are using is not a bootable CD or has the boot track > damaged. Suggest you try another CD. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:49 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer > > Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years > old. probably older. > > The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard > drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, it > is working properly. Except that it isn't. > > Any suggestion > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 14:02:29 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:02:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you checked the boot sequence in the BIOS? https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c00364979 On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:45 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > It's not the CDs that are the problem. It's the drive itself, I think. > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:04 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < > rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > > > Perhaps the CD you are using is not a bootable CD or has the boot track > > damaged. Suggest you try another CD. > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:49 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer > > > > Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years > > old. probably older. > > > > The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard > > drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, it > > is working properly. Except that it isn't. > > > > Any suggestion > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 16 14:10:27 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:10:27 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you boot another of your computers with that CD? Is the CD drive you're trying to boot from internal or external? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 11:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer It's not the CDs that are the problem. It's the drive itself, I think. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:04 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > Perhaps the CD you are using is not a bootable CD or has the boot track > damaged. Suggest you try another CD. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:49 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer > > Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years > old. probably older. > > The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard > drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, it > is working properly. Except that it isn't. > > Any suggestion > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:56:18 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:56:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess that I'm terrible at describing ,my situation, So I'll try again. It's a hardware issue, having nothing at all to do with which particular CD or DVD is mounted. None of them actually work. When I investigate the drive itself (via Devices), WIndows reports that it is working properly. The boot sequence is set up to look at the DVD drive first, and then at C:\. The system also has another bay for a second DVD drive, and such drives are cheap, so maybe I should simply install a second DVD drive and set it as the first in the boot sequence, and see what happens. Ultimately, there is the junk alternative. Used PCs are incredibly cheap these days, but there's a nostalgia factor involved, which persists despite all logic. But as with divorced spouses, comes a time to stop looking in the rear-view mirror and move on. Perhaps that time has come. There's a computer museum here in Toronto, so maybe I'll donate her to the cause of History. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:10 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > Can you boot another of your computers with that CD? > > Is the CD drive you're trying to boot from internal or external? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 11:45 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer > > It's not the CDs that are the problem. It's the drive itself, I think. > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:04 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < > rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > > > Perhaps the CD you are using is not a bootable CD or has the boot track > > damaged. Suggest you try another CD. > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:49 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer > > > > Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years > > old. probably older. > > > > The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard > > drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, > it > > is working properly. Except that it isn't. > > > > Any suggestion > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 15:44:37 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:44:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could disconnect the data cable to the hard drive. Does the light on the CD/DVD drive come on at boot time like it's reading the disk? Here are some more ideas https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000217.htm On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:56 AM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > I guess that I'm terrible at describing ,my situation, So I'll try again. > It's a hardware issue, having nothing at all to do with which particular CD > or DVD is mounted. None of them actually work. When I investigate the drive > itself (via Devices), WIndows reports that it is working properly. The boot > sequence is set up to look at the DVD drive first, and then at C:\. > The system also has another bay for a second DVD drive, and such drives are > cheap, so maybe I should simply install a second DVD drive and set it as > the first in the boot sequence, and see what happens. > Ultimately, there is the junk alternative. Used PCs are incredibly cheap > these days, but there's a nostalgia factor involved, which persists despite > all logic. But as with divorced spouses, comes a time to stop looking in > the rear-view mirror and move on. Perhaps that time has come. There's a > computer museum here in Toronto, so maybe I'll donate her to the cause of > History. > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:10 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < > rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > > > Can you boot another of your computers with that CD? > > > > Is the CD drive you're trying to boot from internal or external? > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 11:45 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer > > > > It's not the CDs that are the problem. It's the drive itself, I think. > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:04 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < > > rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps the CD you are using is not a bootable CD or has the boot track > > > damaged. Suggest you try another CD. > > > > > > r > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > > Of Arthur Fuller > > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:49 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer > > > > > > Said box runs WIndows 7. It's an HP Millenium, must be more than 10 years > > > old. probably older. > > > > > > The system will not boot from the CD/DVD drive. When booted from the hard > > > drive and then I check devices and select the CD/DVD drive in question, > > it > > > is working properly. Except that it isn't. > > > > > > Any suggestion > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 13:01:08 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:01:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] DVD drive in ancient computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a sad day, but there comes a time when one must bite the bullet and move on from the former main squeeze and accept the reality that the younger boxes are smarter, smaller, faster and prettier. Reluctantly, with remorse and regret, I have decided to retire the ancient HP Millenium to the pasture (meaning my bedroom), and to replace her with another laptop. That will make three laptops side by side on my desk. Fortunately the desk is large and my chair has wheels, so it's easy to slide a meter hither or yon to visit any of them. The one I most frequently use is an 8GB HP running Linux Mint. The other laptop runs Win10. The retired box ran Win7 but who cares? Whenever possible, I buy refurbished, and have been scouting my favourite local merchant. I can replace the old squeeze for about $100. So maybe it's time to put the old girl out to pasture. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 18 14:33:15 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:33:15 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free upgrade to Windows 10 Message-ID: I found this site talking about the end of Windows 7 support and instructions for upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10 at no charge: https://www.hellotech.com/blog/windows-7-end-of-life-support-how-to-upgrade?rs_oid_rd=866634206432597&utm_source=ReSci-Smart+blast&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Copy+of++Newsletter+Jan+10%252C+2020&utm_content=blog_featured_article-microsoft_ends_support_windows7 https://tinyurl.com/vvdncxw I have an older laptop running Win 7 and when W10 came out the upgrade tool told me I couldn't install W10 on this laptop. But not averse to trying the same thing again and expecting a different result, I followed the directions and Walla! W10 on the laptop activated with a digital key. Rocky From fhtapia at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 17:31:58 2020 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Fhtapia) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:31:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free upgrade to Windows 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98a4f165-7140-4cf9-b6fb-a72ec40a34a4@Franciscos-iPhone> Thanks for sharing! > > On Jan 18, 2020 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > > > > I found this site talking about the end of Windows 7 support and instructions for upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10 at no charge: > > https://www.hellotech.com/blog/windows-7-end-of-life-support-how-to-upgrade?rs_oid_rd=866634206432597&utm_source=ReSci-Smart+blast&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Copy+of++Newsletter+Jan+10%252C+2020&utm_content=blog_featured_article-microsoft_ends_support_windows7 > > https://tinyurl.com/vvdncxw > > I have an older laptop running Win 7 and when W10 came out the upgrade tool told me I couldn't install W10 on this laptop. > > But not averse to trying the same thing again and expecting a different result, I followed the directions and Walla! W10 on the laptop activated with a digital key. > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 10:19:50 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:19:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome question: Turn notifications off Message-ID: I get about a dozen notifications per day and cannot figure out how to turn them off. Browser is Chrome, OS if it matters is Minux Mint. -- Arthur From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 10:23:08 2020 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Fhtapia) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 08:23:08 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome question: Turn notifications off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <093ed018-660e-4cde-aa0f-e9bfbdab15f2@Franciscos-iPhone> Settings > advance and there should be a notification section https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en > > On Jan 23, 2020 at 8:20 AM, wrote: > > > > I get about a dozen notifications per day and cannot figure out how to turn > them off. Browser is Chrome, OS if it matters is Minux Mint. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 10:50:57 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:50:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome question: Turn notifications off In-Reply-To: <093ed018-660e-4cde-aa0f-e9bfbdab15f2@Franciscos-iPhone> References: <093ed018-660e-4cde-aa0f-e9bfbdab15f2@Franciscos-iPhone> Message-ID: Thanks. I visited that place this morning and couldn't find the right setting, but shall look again. On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Fhtapia wrote: > > > > Settings > advance and there should be a notification section > > > > > https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2020 at 8:20 AM, fuller.artful at gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > > I get about a dozen notifications per day and cannot figure out how to > turn > > them off. Browser is Chrome, OS if it matters is Minux Mint. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur