From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 11:27:53 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 12:27:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recycled Software Licences Message-ID: I've been scouting eBay etc. for Windows 10 and keep seeing bargain prices for copies of Windows 10, with the proviso that they are recycled licences. What the hell does that mean? The same sites also offer several versions of Office, with the same proviso. Can someone explain this to me? -- Arthur From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Jul 7 13:42:15 2020 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 11:42:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recycled Software Licences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01d6548e$574bc140$05e343c0$@bassett.net> Strictly a guess - When I worked for Gwen, there was a computer for my use. When she decided to "retire" from doing genealogy and I boxed everything up to send as a manuscript collection, there was also the computer itself and some scanners and other peripherals. There were "bought for that computer" suites, like Adobe and MS Office etc. I effectively wiped the computer of Gwen's data etc, as well as Adobe and MS Office. I still have the install CDs with their licenses (gave the computer to my sister who doesn't use either). My guess is that those would now be "recycled licenses" as they are no longer used on an active computer. For sure, just a guess but it seems logical to me. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Recycled Software Licences I've been scouting eBay etc. for Windows 10 and keep seeing bargain prices for copies of Windows 10, with the proviso that they are recycled licences. What the hell does that mean? The same sites also offer several versions of Office, with the same proviso. Can someone explain this to me? -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 17:38:01 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 18:38:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Way over my head Message-ID: I have three laptops. One runs Linux Mint, another Windows 10, and the third is a Chromebook. I thought it would be a learning experience, but all I seem to be doing is smacking my head against the steering wheels. Chrome is baffling to me, and I thought it was alleged to be the friendly OS. Linux Mint makes everything so difficult. So I think I've had it with experimentation, and plan to reconfigure the first and third laps to Windows 10. I'm way too old for this crap. A few short years ago, there was fire in my belly. Now almost 73, all I have left is embers, and they are cooling quickly. Now I find myself increasingly drawn to Simple, Simple, Simple. On the Chromebook, is it possible to install Windows 10? What is the most effective way to get a Windows 10 installation disk? I'm way over my head in trying to create a network from three different OSs, so I think the best thing to do is turn them all into Windows 10. In that environment, I think I know what I'm doing. Any advice? -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jul 8 01:01:06 2020 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 06:01:06 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Way over my head Message-ID: Hi Arthur You can download the Windows 10 installation media here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10 and with this create a bootable USB-stick. With this, you can install Windows 10 on the Linux laptop. You will also need a product key. The Chromebook is a challenge. Bing/google on "install windows on chromebook" with the addition of the model of yours, as the specific hardware may represent additional challenges. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-Tech P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 8. juli 2020 00:38 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Way over my head I have three laptops. One runs Linux Mint, another Windows 10, and the third is a Chromebook. I thought it would be a learning experience, but all I seem to be doing is smacking my head against the steering wheels. Chrome is baffling to me, and I thought it was alleged to be the friendly OS. Linux Mint makes everything so difficult. So I think I've had it with experimentation, and plan to reconfigure the first and third laps to Windows 10. I'm way too old for this crap. A few short years ago, there was fire in my belly. Now almost 73, all I have left is embers, and they are cooling quickly. Now I find myself increasingly drawn to Simple, Simple, Simple. On the Chromebook, is it possible to install Windows 10? What is the most effective way to get a Windows 10 installation disk? I'm way over my head in trying to create a network from three different OSs, so I think the best thing to do is turn them all into Windows 10. In that environment, I think I know what I'm doing. Any advice? -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 15:08:01 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 16:08:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line Message-ID: The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, but how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 9 15:25:58 2020 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 20:25:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur Yes, apart from the fact, that you would "burn" a USB drive these days. /gustav ________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. juli 2020 22:08 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, but how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? -- Arthur From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Jul 9 15:34:18 2020 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:34:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have seen similar for MS Office as well but seem too cheap and wonder if its legal, the only office I have on my machine is 2000 lol and of course openoffice, but would love to take a look at the latest ones like 2016 and 365 etc just to see how development has changed in them more than anything as I haven't really kept myself up to date with Office. Paul On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 21:08 Arthur Fuller, wrote: > The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these > firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, but > how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the > ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said > disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hkotsch at arcor.de Thu Jul 9 15:42:49 2020 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 22:42:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501d65631$836997d0$8a3cc770$@de> It is my understanding that if you still have a product key from windows 7 or 8 you can still upgrade to win10 for free. In Germany it is legal to buy OEM Versions of win10 pro for about 10 to 15 Euros. Helmut -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Arthur Fuller Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2020 22:08 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, but how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 15:52:11 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 16:52:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a subscription to Office 365 but so far have it installed on only one box so far. I've been too busy binge-watching *Breaking Bad* and *Better Call Sau*l. I've watched both series more than twice, but I love them. Until I looked him up on IMDB, I had no idea that Vince Gilligan was associated with *The X-Files*. One more thing. Recently I purchased a 55-inch Westinghouse HD Smart TV, which once connected, gets me to NetFlix and a bunch more channels. For some re y aging DVD player won't work with it (could be that the DVD player is dead), and anyway Blu-Ray players are really inexpensive these days. Many of them include functionality that's already in my TV, so I wonder what is the point of buying one of these? Any recommendations on brands and models? On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 4:34 PM Paul Hartland via dba-Tech < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > I have seen similar for MS Office as well but seem too cheap and wonder if > its legal, the only office I have on my machine is 2000 lol and of course > openoffice, but would love to take a look at the latest ones like 2016 and > 365 etc just to see how development has changed in them more than anything > as I haven't really kept myself up to date with Office. > > Paul > > On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 21:08 Arthur Fuller, wrote: > > > The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these > > firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, > but > > how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the > > ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said > > disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 9 16:10:14 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:10:14 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would buy this in EBay and only from a Top Rated Seller that's got lots of transactions and accepts returns (although the may not accept returns of a software key ). Shows me it's not just a hobby and they'll stand behind their goods as will EBay. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock via dba-Tech Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 1:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Gustav Brock Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line Hi Arthur Yes, apart from the fact, that you would "burn" a USB drive these days. /gustav ________________________________ Fra: dba-Tech p? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 9. juli 2020 22:08 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, but how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 9 16:13:06 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:13:06 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unless you're going to watch DVDs, there's probably no reason to won one. The medium is becoming obsolete as the market switches to streaming. A better thing might be to buy a Fire stick or a Roku stick - it will give you all the channels you need (and hundreds you don't). r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 1:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line I have a subscription to Office 365 but so far have it installed on only one box so far. I've been too busy binge-watching *Breaking Bad* and *Better Call Sau*l. I've watched both series more than twice, but I love them. Until I looked him up on IMDB, I had no idea that Vince Gilligan was associated with *The X-Files*. One more thing. Recently I purchased a 55-inch Westinghouse HD Smart TV, which once connected, gets me to NetFlix and a bunch more channels. For some re y aging DVD player won't work with it (could be that the DVD player is dead), and anyway Blu-Ray players are really inexpensive these days. Many of them include functionality that's already in my TV, so I wonder what is the point of buying one of these? Any recommendations on brands and models? On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 4:34 PM Paul Hartland via dba-Tech < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > I have seen similar for MS Office as well but seem too cheap and wonder if > its legal, the only office I have on my machine is 2000 lol and of course > openoffice, but would love to take a look at the latest ones like 2016 and > 365 etc just to see how development has changed in them more than anything > as I haven't really kept myself up to date with Office. > > Paul > > On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, 21:08 Arthur Fuller, wrote: > > > The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these > > firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, > but > > how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the > > ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said > > disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 16:21:34 2020 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 16:21:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08F4B03A-A1D0-4708-9D7D-58696593FBEC@gmail.com> If you search for Free Windows 10 Upgrade you can still (sometimes) get Windows 10 installed with no upgrade fee. I have done it two or three times this year. Always worth a try, as long as you are upgrading from Windows 7 or 8! Thanks, Jeff Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > ?The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are these > firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, but > how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the > ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said > disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 17:11:30 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:11:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: <08F4B03A-A1D0-4708-9D7D-58696593FBEC@gmail.com> References: <08F4B03A-A1D0-4708-9D7D-58696593FBEC@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have three laptops On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:21 PM Jeff wrote: > If you search for Free Windows 10 Upgrade you can still (sometimes) get > Windows 10 installed with no upgrade fee. I have done it two or three > times this year. Always worth a try, as long as you are upgrading from > Windows 7 or 8! > > Thanks, > Jeff > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 9, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > > ?The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are > these > > firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, > but > > how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the > > ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said > > disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 9 17:26:15 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 22:26:15 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line In-Reply-To: References: <08F4B03A-A1D0-4708-9D7D-58696593FBEC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just as an aside, if you've never run a box with W10, you're in for a treat. But what RAM and processor do these three bad boys have? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 3:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] buying a windows 10 product key on-line I have three laptops On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:21 PM Jeff wrote: > If you search for Free Windows 10 Upgrade you can still (sometimes) get > Windows 10 installed with no upgrade fee. I have done it two or three > times this year. Always worth a try, as long as you are upgrading from > Windows 7 or 8! > > Thanks, > Jeff > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 9, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > > ?The prices for a Product Key vary wildly in the Toronto market. Are > these > > firms offering scam-products. I'm guessing that it's a 50-50 equation, > but > > how to tell the difference? I guess that it works like this: download the > > ISO version from MS, then burn a CD orr maybe DVD, then boot from said > > disk, then validate using the key. Is that correct? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 14:44:36 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:44:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror Message-ID: In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I did manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. I couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and now I can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but cannot sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. The vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem to have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how can I learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that it's made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that person - obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the reason I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard disk and who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and see what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with it. Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a serious laptop. I got suckered by price. My bad. -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 15:49:30 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:49:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why don't you try to do a total reset of it? https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/183084?hl=en Factory reset your Chromebook Sign out of your Chromebook. Press and hold Ctrl + Alt + Shift + r. Select Restart. In the box that appears, select Powerwash Continue. Follow the steps that appear and sign in with your Google Account. Note: The account you sign in with after you reset your Chromebook will be the owner account. Once you've reset your Chromebook: Follow the onscreen instructions to set up your Chromebook Check if the problem is fixed On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I did > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. I > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and now I > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but cannot > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. The > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem to > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how can I > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that it's > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that person - > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the reason > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard disk and > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and see > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with it. > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a serious > laptop. > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 15:55:36 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:55:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why don't you just add a new user to your chromebook with your google info? Add a person to your Chromebook If you're signed in to your Chromebook, sign out. On the bottom, click Add person. Enter the Google Account email address and password, then click Next. Follow the steps that appear. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I did > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. I > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and now I > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but cannot > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. The > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem to > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how can I > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that it's > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that person - > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the reason > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard disk and > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and see > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with it. > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a serious > laptop. > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 16:01:16 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:01:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How to tell a Chromebook's hardware info..... https://www.howtogeek.com/234454/how-to-view-your-chromebooks-hardware-specifications-and-system-information/ https://www.groovypost.com/howto/find-chromebook-hardware-and-system-specs/ https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-check-chromebook-specs-hardware-4782658 https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/check-specs-chromebook/ On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I did > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. I > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and now I > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but cannot > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. The > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem to > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how can I > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that it's > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that person - > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the reason > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard disk and > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and see > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with it. > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a serious > laptop. > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 18:45:08 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:45:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue Message-ID: My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot of time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather than my eyesight. My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one eye then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of vision, I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know anything about this? I most certainly don't. Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, and in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a week. -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 18:54:12 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:54:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur YOU NEED TO GET YOUR EYES EXAMINED!!!! I would guess you possibly have cataracts or other issues that need to be diagnosed by an EYE DOCTOR. New glasses with the same prescription ain't going to help you. GK On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 6:45 PM Arthur Fuller wrote: > > My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot of > time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather > than my eyesight. > My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another > examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one eye > then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is > substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of vision, > I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure > of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses > would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know anything > about this? I most certainly don't. > Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but > definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, and > in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of > that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within > about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and > basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses > that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want > glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a week. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 10 19:01:42 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 00:01:42 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First - go get an eye exam. I'd say go to Costco but they're not doing them at the moment. But you should probably go to an ophthalmologist - can tell you if you have glaucoma or cataracts or just old man disease. Once you get a scrip you can go to Costco - they got a lot of nice frames. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot of time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather than my eyesight. My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one eye then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of vision, I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know anything about this? I most certainly don't. Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, and in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a week. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 19:23:34 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:23:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Before I had Lasik in 1999 I was used to going to an eye doctor every other year as I needed that to get a new prescription to get new glasses as my old ones would be scratched up and terrible by then. When I had Lasik in 1999 I no longer needed to do that. After the follow up from the surgery I went a LONG TIME before returning for another exam. And the eye doctor LECTURED ME that I still needed exams AT LEAST EVERY OTHER YEAR as BAD THINGS that are treatable can happen with our eyesight. I still went 5 or more years between exams before developing an infection and having no other option as I needed relief. I've since been being treated for "Chronic Dry Eye" mostly in my left eye but really in both. I'm back to wearing glasses. Eye doctor has told me they are watching degradation of my retinal nerve and I have cataracts that will need to be addressed eventually. With the COVID-19 situation I am probably overdue for an exam but I will need to take care of that soon. Don't put off eye exams. GK On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:02 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com wrote: > > First - go get an eye exam. I'd say go to Costco but they're not doing them at the moment. > > But you should probably go to an ophthalmologist - can tell you if you have glaucoma or cataracts or just old man disease. Once you get a scrip you can go to Costco - they got a lot of nice frames. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:45 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue > > My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot of > time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather > than my eyesight. > My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another > examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one eye > then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is > substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of vision, > I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure > of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses > would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know anything > about this? I most certainly don't. > Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but > definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, and > in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of > that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within > about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and > basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses > that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want > glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a week. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 23:49:37 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 00:49:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for your insights. I shall book an exam promptly, and hope they can help. I am pretty much ok on the laptop since I can touch-type, and I've expanded the default font size, so it sort of works. I feel like the world is receding from me, which is certainly better than the experience of Saul's brother in *Better Call Saul*, one truly great Netflix series, from the creators of its ancestor, *Breaking Bad.* On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:24 PM Gary Kjos wrote: > Before I had Lasik in 1999 I was used to going to an eye doctor every > other year as I needed that to get a new prescription to get new > glasses as my old ones would be scratched up and terrible by then. > When I had Lasik in 1999 I no longer needed to do that. After the > follow up from the surgery I went a LONG TIME before returning for > another exam. And the eye doctor LECTURED ME that I still needed > exams AT LEAST EVERY OTHER YEAR as BAD THINGS that are treatable can > happen with our eyesight. > > I still went 5 or more years between exams before developing an > infection and having no other option as I needed relief. I've since > been being treated for "Chronic Dry Eye" mostly in my left eye but > really in both. I'm back to wearing glasses. Eye doctor has told me > they are watching degradation of my retinal nerve and I have cataracts > that will need to be addressed eventually. With the COVID-19 > situation I am probably overdue for an exam but I will need to take > care of that soon. > > Don't put off eye exams. > > GK > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:02 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com > wrote: > > > > First - go get an eye exam. I'd say go to Costco but they're not doing > them at the moment. > > > > But you should probably go to an ophthalmologist - can tell you if you > have glaucoma or cataracts or just old man disease. Once you get a scrip > you can go to Costco - they got a lot of nice frames. > > > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:45 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue > > > > My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot > of > > time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather > > than my eyesight. > > My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another > > examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one > eye > > then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is > > substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of > vision, > > I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure > > of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses > > would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know > anything > > about this? I most certainly don't. > > Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but > > definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, > and > > in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of > > that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within > > about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and > > basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses > > that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want > > glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a > week. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From eptept at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 05:48:04 2020 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 06:48:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Listen to what folks are saying, it's a matter of sight or not. For some years I was missing a bit because of cataracts but also had glaucoma problems. That's corrected now. Go see an ophthalmologist, not an optometrist, opthamologists are trained doctors who have done their extensive residency in eye disease and treatment. Sight is not a thing to waste. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:02 PM rockysmolin bchacc.com < rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > First - go get an eye exam. I'd say go to Costco but they're not doing > them at the moment. > > But you should probably go to an ophthalmologist - can tell you if you > have glaucoma or cataracts or just old man disease. Once you get a scrip > you can go to Costco - they got a lot of nice frames. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:45 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue > > My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot of > time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather > than my eyesight. > My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another > examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one eye > then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is > substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of vision, > I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure > of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses > would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know anything > about this? I most certainly don't. > Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but > definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, and > in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of > that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within > about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and > basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses > that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want > glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a > week. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at outlook.com Sat Jul 11 07:20:17 2020 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:20:17 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur! I get optometrist exams and glasses at Walmart. Good exam and cheap frames - $9.00. My vision is changing too - what were once my computer glasses are now my driving glasses. I am now 64. So - you can only know what's going on with a visit to your eye doctor - preferably an ophthalmologist with all the questions you're having. Per your preferences - you can see your leg doctor later! ? Write back when you find out more. We can all learn from your experience. Good Luck! Dan ________________________________ From: dba-Tech on behalf of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 18:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot of time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather than my eyesight. My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one eye then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of vision, I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know anything about this? I most certainly don't. Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, and in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a week. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 07:01:44 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:01:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, all. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Gary Kjos wrote: > How to tell a Chromebook's hardware info..... > > > https://www.howtogeek.com/234454/how-to-view-your-chromebooks-hardware-specifications-and-system-information/ > > https://www.groovypost.com/howto/find-chromebook-hardware-and-system-specs/ > > https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-check-chromebook-specs-hardware-4782658 > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/check-specs-chromebook/ > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I did > > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. I > > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and > now I > > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but cannot > > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. The > > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem to > > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how can I > > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that it's > > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that person - > > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the > reason > > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard disk > and > > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and see > > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with it. > > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a > serious > > laptop. > > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 07:50:05 2020 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 07:50:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yea, as you've discovered, chromebooks are cheap for a reason. Actually two reasons. No Windows license, and very low end hardware because they don't need much ro run a browser. The "32 gb" is exactly what you suspect, the size of the storage drive. Main memory is probably 2 gb. Rooting for you to get it wrestled into a usable shape. On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 7:02 AM Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks, all. > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Gary Kjos wrote: > > > How to tell a Chromebook's hardware info..... > > > > > > > https://www.howtogeek.com/234454/how-to-view-your-chromebooks-hardware-specifications-and-system-information/ > > > > > https://www.groovypost.com/howto/find-chromebook-hardware-and-system-specs/ > > > > https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-check-chromebook-specs-hardware-4782658 > > > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/check-specs-chromebook/ > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller > > wrote: > > > > > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I did > > > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. I > > > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and > > now I > > > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but > cannot > > > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > > > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. The > > > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem to > > > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how > can I > > > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that it's > > > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that person - > > > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the > > reason > > > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard disk > > and > > > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > > > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > > > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and > see > > > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with > it. > > > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > > > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a > > serious > > > laptop. > > > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 07:50:07 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:50:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OOP is upside-down Message-ID: OOP pretends to model itself on the real world, but in fact does the opposite -- it encourages you to be God-like. Start with a class called Mammal, define some basic properties and methods, then inherit some species (dog, cat, whale). Biology doesn't work like that. It begins with the individual species and then discovers a common parent species, and then another parent. What OOP needs is a way to model ancestry bottom-up. I imagine a tree-like UI akin to the Windows Explorer, but with a new capability. Imagine that you define classes called Giraffe, Chimp and Whale. Then it dawns upon you that all of them share several characteristics; so then you create a new class called Mammal, collect the Giraffe, Chimp and Whale, and drag them into the Inheritance tree. All characteristics shared by all of them migrate to the ancestor class. The class itself contains a method called Speak (for the Whale, it's Click, Click, for the Chimp it's "Ehhhh", and so on). collect those common characteristics, then drag and drop them (in this case, the Speak method) into the ancestor class. That's how biology, chemistry and physics work: bottom-up, not top-down. Admittedly, prepared to what I'm suggesting might run into conflicts such as naming. You might have named the Whale method Click rather than Speak, and the dog method Bark rather than Speak. Certainly that is a problem that my proposed Drag and Drop method cannot resolve easily. But nevertheless, I am no prepared to abandon this notion. instead, I shall give it more thought, and imagine a tree-lik UI that gathers the obvious commonalities and moves the data and methods up to the ancestor, leaving only the differences (both data and methods) in the descendants. This allows you to realize that there is a common method called Speak, but you named it differently in the previous classes: in the Whale you named it ClickClick, in the Cat you named it Meow, in the dog you named it Bark. You're a mortal; we all make mistakes, and fail to recognize common characteristics until way after the fact of creation. What OOP needs is a way to address, and maybe even solve, this problem. -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 11:06:46 2020 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:06:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I shall try, and if I get it Win-compatible, I shall repace it with a real computer. I also have an ancient HP Millenium tower which I haven't powered up for ages. It runs Win7 and has a lot of storage space (a pair of hard disks, totalling ~2TB). What should I do with it? turn it into a server? I'm out of my depth here. I also have three laptops - one running Linux Mint, another Windows 10, and the third ChromeBook. Can you think of anything useful that I might do with the aging tower? On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:50 AM John Colby wrote: > Yea, as you've discovered, chromebooks are cheap for a reason. Actually > two reasons. No Windows license, and very low end hardware because they > don't need much ro run a browser. The "32 gb" is exactly what you suspect, > the size of the storage drive. Main memory is probably 2 gb. > > Rooting for you to get it wrestled into a usable shape. > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 7:02 AM Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Thanks, all. > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > How to tell a Chromebook's hardware info..... > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.howtogeek.com/234454/how-to-view-your-chromebooks-hardware-specifications-and-system-information/ > > > > > > > > > https://www.groovypost.com/howto/find-chromebook-hardware-and-system-specs/ > > > > > > > https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-check-chromebook-specs-hardware-4782658 > > > > > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/check-specs-chromebook/ > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I > did > > > > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. > I > > > > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and > > > now I > > > > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but > > cannot > > > > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > > > > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. > The > > > > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem > to > > > > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how > > can I > > > > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that > it's > > > > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that > person - > > > > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the > > > reason > > > > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard > disk > > > and > > > > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > > > > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > > > > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and > > see > > > > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with > > it. > > > > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > > > > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a > > > serious > > > > laptop. > > > > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Arthur > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kjos > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Jul 12 11:14:42 2020 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:14:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OOP is upside-down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0e4e6c6d-a932-569f-f1b4-e7e3179fc333@earthlink.net> On 7/12/2020 7:50, Arthur Fuller wrote: > OOP pretends to model itself on the real world, but in fact does the > opposite -- it encourages you to be God-like. Start with a class called > Mammal, define some basic properties and methods, then inherit some > species (dog, cat, whale). Biology doesn't work like that. It begins with > the individual species and then discovers a common parent species, and then > another parent. Unlike OOP classes, species have fuzzy, fungible boundaries. Inheritance, encapsulation, polymorphism ... they all fail. PB > > What OOP needs is a way to model ancestry bottom-up. I imagine a tree-like > UI akin to the Windows Explorer, but with a new capability. Imagine that > you define classes called Giraffe, Chimp and Whale. Then it dawns upon you > that all of them share several characteristics; so then you create a new > class called Mammal, collect the Giraffe, Chimp and Whale, and drag them > into the Inheritance tree. All characteristics shared by all of them > migrate to the ancestor class. The class itself contains a method called > Speak (for the Whale, it's Click, Click, for the Chimp it's "Ehhhh", and so > on). collect those common characteristics, then drag and drop them (in this > case, the Speak method) into the ancestor class. > > That's how biology, chemistry and physics work: bottom-up, not top-down. > Admittedly, prepared to what I'm suggesting might run into conflicts such > as naming. You might have named the Whale method Click rather than Speak, > and the dog method Bark rather than Speak. Certainly that is a problem that > my proposed Drag and Drop method cannot resolve easily. But nevertheless, I > am no prepared to abandon this notion. instead, I shall give it more > thought, and imagine a tree-lik UI that gathers the obvious commonalities > and moves the data and methods up to the ancestor, leaving only the > differences (both data and methods) in the descendants. This allows you to > realize that there is a common method called Speak, but you named it > differently in the previous classes: in the Whale you named it ClickClick, > in the Cat you named it Meow, in the dog you named it Bark. You're a > mortal; we all make mistakes, and fail to recognize common characteristics > until way after the fact of creation. > What OOP needs is a way to address, and maybe even solve, this problem. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 12 14:41:38 2020 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:41:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why not upgrade the Millennium to W10 and use it as your main box? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror I shall try, and if I get it Win-compatible, I shall repace it with a real computer. I also have an ancient HP Millenium tower which I haven't powered up for ages. It runs Win7 and has a lot of storage space (a pair of hard disks, totalling ~2TB). What should I do with it? turn it into a server? I'm out of my depth here. I also have three laptops - one running Linux Mint, another Windows 10, and the third ChromeBook. Can you think of anything useful that I might do with the aging tower? On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:50 AM John Colby wrote: > Yea, as you've discovered, chromebooks are cheap for a reason. Actually > two reasons. No Windows license, and very low end hardware because they > don't need much ro run a browser. The "32 gb" is exactly what you suspect, > the size of the storage drive. Main memory is probably 2 gb. > > Rooting for you to get it wrestled into a usable shape. > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 7:02 AM Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Thanks, all. > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > How to tell a Chromebook's hardware info..... > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.howtogeek.com/234454/how-to-view-your-chromebooks-hardware-specifications-and-system-information/ > > > > > > > > > https://www.groovypost.com/howto/find-chromebook-hardware-and-system-specs/ > > > > > > > https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-check-chromebook-specs-hardware-4782658 > > > > > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/check-specs-chromebook/ > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I > did > > > > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors began. > I > > > > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, and > > > now I > > > > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but > > cannot > > > > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > > > > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. > The > > > > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't seem > to > > > > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how > > can I > > > > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that > it's > > > > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that > person - > > > > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the > > > reason > > > > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard > disk > > > and > > > > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > > > > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > > > > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc and > > see > > > > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do with > > it. > > > > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > > > > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a > > > serious > > > > laptop. > > > > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Arthur > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kjos > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 15:42:51 2020 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:42:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chromebook horror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mellinium to unraid. On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:07 Arthur Fuller wrote: > I shall try, and if I get it Win-compatible, I shall repace it with a real > computer. > > I also have an ancient HP Millenium tower which I haven't powered up for > ages. It runs Win7 and has a lot of storage space (a pair of hard disks, > totalling ~2TB). What should I do with it? turn it into a server? I'm out > of my depth here. > I also have three laptops - one running Linux Mint, another Windows 10, > and the third ChromeBook. Can you think of anything useful that I might do > with the aging tower? > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:50 AM John Colby wrote: > > > Yea, as you've discovered, chromebooks are cheap for a reason. Actually > > two reasons. No Windows license, and very low end hardware because they > > don't need much ro run a browser. The "32 gb" is exactly what you > suspect, > > the size of the storage drive. Main memory is probably 2 gb. > > > > Rooting for you to get it wrestled into a usable shape. > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 7:02 AM Arthur Fuller > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks, all. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > > > How to tell a Chromebook's hardware info..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.howtogeek.com/234454/how-to-view-your-chromebooks-hardware-specifications-and-system-information/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.groovypost.com/howto/find-chromebook-hardware-and-system-specs/ > > > > > > > > > > https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-check-chromebook-specs-hardware-4782658 > > > > > > > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/check-specs-chromebook/ > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Arthur Fuller < > fuller.artful at gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In the spirit of experimentation I thought I'd buy a Chromebook. I > > did > > > > > manage to connect it to my wifi, and that's when the horrors > began. > > I > > > > > couldn't remember my Google password and so logged in as a guest, > and > > > > now I > > > > > can't escape that login. (I have recovered my Google password, but > > > cannot > > > > > sign in as me because I've condemned myself to Guest.) > > > > > I watched a video about how to install Windows 10 on a Chromebook. > > The > > > > > vidBelarc works only on Windows and the Settings button doesn't > seem > > to > > > > > have a Windows-like option that will tell you what's inside, so how > > > can I > > > > > learn this? I can't even find the model number. All I know is that > > it's > > > > > made by HP and the salesperson said it's got 32 gigs, but that > > person - > > > > > obviously untrained - claimed it was 32 gigs of RAM, which was the > > > > reason > > > > > I bought it. Idiot me; it must mean that it contains a 32 GB hard > > disk > > > > and > > > > > who knows, maybe 4GB of RAM. No way I can know without figuring out > > > > > Chrome's equivalent of Belarc Advisor or Computer. > > > > > If I can, I will convert this to a Windows 10 machine, run Belarc > and > > > see > > > > > what I've been suckered into buying, and then decide what to do > with > > > it. > > > > > Maybe I'll give it to Nellie's, a shelter for abused women in the > > > > > neighbourhood, to which I donate $10 a month -- and then go buy a > > > > serious > > > > > laptop. > > > > > I got suckered by price. My bad. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Arthur > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Jul 14 11:28:11 2020 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:28:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He's a retired Canadian so he should be able to go to an eye doctor for free. -----Original Message----- From: dba-Tech On Behalf Of Daniel Waters Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 7:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue Hi Arthur! I get optometrist exams and glasses at Walmart. Good exam and cheap frames - $9.00. My vision is changing too - what were once my computer glasses are now my driving glasses. I am now 64. So - you can only know what's going on with a visit to your eye doctor - preferably an ophthalmologist with all the questions you're having. Per your preferences - you can see your leg doctor later! ? Write back when you find out more. We can all learn from your experience. Good Luck! Dan ________________________________ From: dba-Tech on behalf of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 18:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Actually a wetware issue My vision seems to rapidly deteriorating. For a person who spends a lot of time reading, this is a disaster. I think I'd prefer to lose a leg rather than my eyesight. My bifocals are several years old; perhaps it is time for another examination. A side question: I have been experimenting (by closing one eye then the other and comparing views) and have learned that my left eye is substantially worse than my right eye. But when I see estimates of vision, I typically see 20-20 or some variation of what appears to be the measure of a single eye. Should I choose to buy new glasses, the pair of lenses would require different prescriptions, methinks. Does anyone know anything about this? I most certainly don't. Second question. My neighbourhood was formerly, well, not a slum but definitely inhabited by a majority of economically impoverished people, and in the past few years is undergoing Gentrification. As a consequence of that, the stores on Queen Street have all been gentrified as well. Within about 5 blocks of me are an equal number of stores that sell glasses, and basically they sell fashion-glasses. All I'm after is a pair of glasses that work. I'm way too old to consider the fashion aspect; I just want glasses that work, so once again I can read my usual couple of books a week. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com