Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at users.mns.ru
Thu Oct 25 13:48:39 CDT 2007
Hi Jim, Yes, Eiffel looks like a very advanced programming language but going freelance "armored" with Eiffel doesn't this sound very ambitious?... I mean risky... Or your friend has a good customer base who will for sure supply him and you with Eiffel based software development for many years ahead? Then you should be safe... I remember quite some time ago I did develop software using truly 4G OO DataFlex programming language: that was a real fun to program but then I had found that MS Access 1.1 allows me to achieve better results in shorter time but using "ugly" VBA coding - and I switched to MS Access 1.1 VBA to make money for living, better money than truly 4G OO DataFlex allowed me to make before... I mean C# and VB.NET with every new version are obviously acquiring the best features of the other modern state-of-the-art programming languages as e.g. Eiffel is: in 5(?) years it will be not easy to distinguish C# from Eiffel and VB.Net from Ruby (not by their syntax but by their expressive power)... And I wonder what currently Eiffel can give for real business applications software development, which can't be done using C#/VB.NET maybe a little bit less effective but just a little bit?... Yes, as Gustav, I'd be also very interested to hear your friend's opinion why he is going to "bet on Eiffel"?... Thanks. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:18 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB Shamil... you are correct in all that. This friend who is strongly recommending Eiffel is planning on leaving his current job soon and as his wife now has an excellent job at the college and he has decided to go freelance. He wants to work with me on projects and is planning on buying a full licensed version.... To make a short story long I may be becoming an Eiffel guru whether I want to or not. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:48 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB <<< I was unaware of the product cost.... >>> Hi Jim. Yes, I have just checked the price - it looks unaffordable for small-/middle-size businesses. Yes, there is evaluation version but... I'd currently think that ASP.NET and C#/VB.NET(VS Express) + MS SQL 2005 Express/Access backend DB is the best ever available toolset for Web (and whatever else) real life business applications development... And they are free for download and use, aren't they?... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:46 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB I do not usually answer my own emails but... I must qualify my last comments as I was unaware of the product cost which had me fumbling for my oxygen mask as soon as I saw it. Fortunately there are evaluation copies available. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:12 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB I offer wonder why Ruby-on-rails is such a popular program considering that its performance is rated at one thirtieth of that of C and far below the speed of any .Net flavour. A friend has recently been required to work with ROR and was not impressed with performance and that it could be written so cryptic that he was required to write extensive notes in the code. His recommendation for the finest .Net programming language is Eiffel: http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/dotnet/eiffelsharp/ Jim <<< tail of the message trimmed to preserve some cyberspace >>> _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com