Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at users.mns.ru
Fri Apr 4 04:59:56 CDT 2008
Hi Gustav, In fact I and my customer(s) sometimes do the "trick" with notepad when some "cosmetic" or minor application web page logic changes are needed: we open such a page or its accompanying code behind in notepad, do the edits and save the page - all on a live running version... Yes, if you download current version of ASP.NET application files from live site then you can open it as a web site in VS or in VS you can have solution including Web site as one of the projects.... No, ASP.NET will not be "smart enough" to not let newer version of files be replaced with the files you upload, but because ASP.NET application release is usually a mere XCOPY of files (after first version is released) then you can use XCOPY "smartness" to not replace newer version of files, or some other files' synchronization tools, which do not overwrite newer by date versions of files, or you can use setup tools with option to not overwrite newer version of files etc. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:15 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ASP.NET, separated programming and visual design Hi Jim, Michael and Shamil First, this will be a simple application, only four tables as in most "ASP Beginner Course": Customer Product Order OrderLine I could probably just copy one of the VS samples! Then, that about Notepad was a joke. Don't know which tool he uses but he would have a look at Programmer's Notepad, that's at least one step forward. But I think I will try to persuade him for VS Express. If he is fluent in ASP, it must be a gift. Finally, as this will be the simple case as Shamil describes, if I upload the application and he does some changes to the .aspx/.ascx files, all I need to do is to download the .aspx/.ascx files and overwrite my local files to have the full application? But if I don't do that and needed to make some changes to the "mechanics", will VS be so clever when uploading the revised application that it will not touch the newer .aspx/.ascx files? That would be perfect. /gustav >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 04-04-2008 01:53 >>> Hi Gustav, "separated programming and visual design" for asp.net application in the most simple case usually means that visual design part of web pages/custom controls is kept in .aspx/.ascx files, and code to process events of these web pages/controls is kept in accompanying .aspx.cs/.ascx.cs (C#) or .aspx.vb/.ascx.vb (VB) code behind files. In more advanced cases part of code is stored in \bin subfolder; in even more advanced cases one can create (visual layer) classlib DLLs etc.... Yes, one can type entire ASP.Net application in Notepad (except graphics of course)... But I'd doubt such a practice - ASP.NET experts AFAIS are usually typing .aspx markup in text view in Visual Studio - when used that way then one can use Intellisence, which is very handy... After release you can replace parts of ASP.NET application or the whole application just by replacing/copying over parts/all the files of the ASP.NET application... You can do such replacing/copying over even for live running ASP.NET application: when separate .aspx pages are replaced then after replacing the new version of .aspx page will be rendered on the new page request, and ASP.NET application *will not be* restarted... If you replace certain files as e.g. ASP.NET app's web.config, master page, code files/classlib .dlls in \bin folder and some others then ASP.NET application gets restarted but assuming that the usual practice is to have most of the pages of ASP.NET app stateless such restarting shouldn't harm (NB: ASP.Net application restarting clears/destroys all session level variables and application cache but preserve live user sessions, which identity is usually kept in cookies...) -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:35 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] ASP.NET, separated programming and visual design Hi all A client asks if we can create a small database application (usual stuff for order registration) for him with only a very basic design and then he will create the visual design. That should be doable with ASP.NET and Visual Studio 2008 Standard for my part but what will he need? I would say Visual Studio Web edition but he claims to be an expert in ASP and prefers Notepad! I could leave the problem to him but I prefer to stay clear of possible disasters. Also, I must be able to pull back the application, make some changes and forward it again. Anyone having experiences with a process like this? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com