From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug  5 20:36:58 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:36:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
Message-ID: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
Dan






From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 13:50:47 2008
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:50:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
In-Reply-To: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
References: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
Message-ID: <005a01c8f7f5$56a80800$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Hi Dan,

I have found Murach's Visual Basic 2008 to be a good intro.  I was at a Dot
Net Developers Group meeting last night and won a copy of Deborah Kurata's
"Doing Objects in Visual Basic 2005".  I just skimmed through it and I look
like a great resource for someone coming from a VB or VBA background.  I
have Deborah's "Doing Objects in VB6" which was a great book for VB
developers 10 years ago.  Her latest book is one version of Visual Studio
behind but the concepts have not changed.

As a side comment it is interesting to contrast the interest in Dot net
development and Access development.  I attend both user's groups meetings.
There is a lot of energy and interest by head hunters at the Dot net
meetings.  Our Access Users Group hasn't seen a head hunter for quite some
time.

Have fun.

Doug 

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From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
Dan




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  9 11:54:46 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:54:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: Validate e-mail address
Message-ID: <s89de80d.073@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I needed to validate the format of user entered e-mail addresses and couldn't find a good method, except some RegEx at Microsoft.
So I had to run my own, but wonder if anything better exists.

MailAddress is used for first level validation as this later will be used to create the e-mails:

using System.Net.Mail;

        private static bool IsMailAddress(string address, out string cleanedAddress)
        {
            cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            try
            {
                MailAddress mailAddress = new MailAddress(address.Trim());
                // MailAddress validated the address. 
                // However, even one char only for Host will be accepted.
                // Extract user and host for further validation.
                bool isAddress = false;
                string displayName = mailAddress.DisplayName;
                // Strip internal spaces from user and host string.
                string user = mailAddress.User.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                string host = mailAddress.Host.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                // Build basic mail address.
                string baseAddress = (user + "@" + host).ToLower();
                // Check that Host contains a domain too.
                // Expanding on the method described here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308252 
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex mailRegex = 
                    new System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex("(?<user>[^@]+)@(?<host>[^.]+).(?<domain>[^.]+).");
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Match match = mailRegex.Match(baseAddress);
                Console.WriteLine(
                    match.Groups["user"].Value.ToString() + "@" +
                    match.Groups["host"].Value.ToString() + "." +
                    match.Groups["domain"].Value.ToString());
                isAddress = match.Success;
                if (isAddress)
                {
                    // Return formatted email address.
                    if (displayName.Length == 0)
                    {
                        // Basic mail address only.
                        cleanedAddress = baseAddress;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        // Full address including Display Name.
                        cleanedAddress = @"""" + displayName + @""" <" + baseAddress + @">";
                    }
                }
                return isAddress;
            }
            catch
            {
                return false;
            }
        }

The trick is that MailAddress is somewhat flexible regarding accepted strings and will _clean_ these, thus you very easily can return the cleaned string. Of course, you can turn this into a small class if you like.

Here's a basic method to use it with the ErrorProvider when validating a TextBox:

        private void textBoxEmailAddress_Validating(object sender, CancelEventArgs e)
        {
            TextBox textBox = (TextBox)sender;
            string errorDescription = String.Empty;
            string cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            string address = textBox.Text;
            if (textBox.Text.Equals(String.Empty))
            {
                errorDescription = "Please enter an e-mail address";
            }
            else if (!IsMailAddress(address, out cleanedAddress))
            {
                errorDescription = "The format of the address is not correct";
            }
            else
            {
                if (!cleanedAddress.Equals(address))
                {
                    textBox.Text = cleanedAddress;
                }
            }
            errorProvider1.SetError(textBox, errorDescription);
        }

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 04:55:29 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:55:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 05:04:16 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:04:16 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a02ad8.091@cactus.dk>

Oops. From another source:

SP1 does not include ASP.NET MVC Framework but only one basic element for ASP.NET MVC: Routing. 
Routing allows for nice URLs in traditional ASP.NET WebForm applications as well as ASP.NET MVC when this will be released later this year.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-08-2008 11:55 >>>
Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687 

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Aug 11 15:23:05 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:23:05 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
In-Reply-To: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001801c8fbf0$11e19b60$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

I looked at MVC for ASP.NET and I decided for myself to avoid using it. When
I will see/hear that somebody here uses it I might change my current
decision...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:55 PM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller)
pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Aug 16 16:48:44 2008
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:48:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
References: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>

http://www.asp.net/mvc/
...something else for my "to do" list ...current priority is zip :(

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:55 AM
To: <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

> Hi all
>
> Did you notice this:
>
>  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687
>
> and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.
>
> Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) 
> pattern for ASP.NET?
> Does it represent a new steep learning curve?
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 17 10:13:52 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:13:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8a85c68.059@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 03:49:36 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:49:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 12:52:56 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:52:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
	<BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 13:16:05 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:16:05 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 14:52:23 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:52:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <78EB589C8994444E90651EBB9511C449@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ha ha ha.... what can I say... reading fast, writing faster. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 22 11:26:33 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:33 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs - and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object, send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Aug 23 00:38:09 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:38:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF08@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 23 03:25:34 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:25:34 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Thanks. I'll continue to follow those guidelines, indeed as I don't use any unmanaged libraries.

/gustav

>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 23-08-2008 07:38 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sun Aug 24 18:39:42 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:39:42 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
References: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 19:43:16 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:43:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 24 20:06:40 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:06:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 24 20:10:51 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:10:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>,
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Raid 0 is "Striped" - Raid 1 is "Mirrored"

Raid 0 doesn't give you any redundacy, it just improves access times.
Raid 5 requires a minimum of 3 disks
Raid 10 requires a minimum of 4 disks

I agree with Drew - go with Mirrored (ie Raid 1)


You can see the pros/cons of each Raid version and some nice action graphics at
http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html

On 24 Aug 2008 at 19:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
> half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
> drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
> reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
> either drive and the other will pick up live!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Maddison
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))
> 
> I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
> 10.  I've never used raid on
> a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
> I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
> GB now.
> 
> Any opinions?
> 
> cheers
> 
> Michael M
> 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 20:31:04 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:31:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do
add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other
hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 00:38:27 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:38:27 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Thanks,

I must suck...
Need to have a floppy to install drivers with XP!  So I borrowed 1 from
an old box and followed the instructions,
must have done something wrong as I tried 3 time but all I get is a BSOD
during Windows install.  

Remove the RAID option from the bios and installation goes fine...
<shrug>

Maybe next time...

cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, 25 August 2008 11:31 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You
do add the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the
other hand is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will
keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb
drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 25 18:15:39 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEAAAF978@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 20:34:01 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:34:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M



From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 25 21:37:37 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:37:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
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	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it will 
run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


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To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 23:14:57 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:14:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


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To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Aug 26 00:35:48 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:35:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <001001c9073d$9977bb10$6401a8c0@nant>

Michael,

I have Vista Ultimate edition on my notebook and I have VS2005 and VS2008
installed on it as well as VB6 and MS Office 2007...

I have done VB6 and VS2005 development on it and it worked well, activeX
dlls get registered etc.

Maybe you have issues you mentioned because of Vista running as a Virtiual
PC?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maddison
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:34 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 26 01:00:06 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:00:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>

I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not qualified to 
say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I didn't know what 
I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64 bit. I haven't written 
any AX's so can't help you there but I have not had any problems installing 
those provided by others.  If it was awhile ago perhaps you were running 
into permission issues. I do every thing run as admin and everything seems 
to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am 
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to run 
fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and perhaps 
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what caused 
your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

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From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


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From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Tue Aug 26 02:30:00 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:00 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF26@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Thanks all,

I'm installing Vista64 now.
If I run into problem I'll either run virtual XP or keep a machine
loaded with my legacy bits.

cheers

Michael M 



I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not
qualified to say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I
didn't know what I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64
bit. I haven't written any AX's so can't help you there but I have not
had any problems installing those provided by others.  If it was awhile
ago perhaps you were running into permission issues. I do every thing
run as admin and everything seems to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to
run fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and
perhaps
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what
caused your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 27 02:41:56 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:41:56 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 28 03:08:00 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:08:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MDI Winforms, no keyboard copy, cut or paste
Message-ID: <s8b67913.088@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It took me some research to figure this out ...

Should you ever wonder why you have "lost" the keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste in your child forms while the popup menu still offer that functionality, the reason is that the standard MDI form has "hijacked" the shortcuts for its own menu line:

http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/csharpgeneral/thread/59a54884-d987-4a39-b9ab-97d3d9f3acf8/

/gustav





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 28 19:03:15 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
References: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEAAAFA32@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 29 04:46:23 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:46:23 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b7e1b1.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

And, as I noticed the other day, if you look up the .designer.cs code for any form created from the VS template, this is found (probably similar for VB.NET) which may tell the form to clean up its components:

        /// <summary>
        /// Clean up any resources being used.
        /// </summary>
        /// <param name="disposing">true if managed resources should be disposed; otherwise, false.</param>
        protected override void Dispose(bool disposing)
        {
            if (disposing && (components != null))
            {
                components.Dispose();
            }
            base.Dispose(disposing);
        }

So no magic, just handcraft.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 29-08-2008 02:03 >>>
That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 30 05:10:04 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:10:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8b938b8.026@cactus.dk>

Hi all

(blush) ... if no decimals exist (number is an integer) that one-liner will fail. So check for zero decimals:

  double number = -1234.56789;
  int mantissa = 0;
  decimal fraction = (decimal)number % 1;
  if (fraction != 0)
  {
      mantissa = Convert.ToInt32(Math.Abs(fraction).ToString().Substring(2));
  }

/gustav  

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 17-08-2008 17:13 >>>
Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug  5 20:36:58 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:36:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
Message-ID: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
Dan






From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 13:50:47 2008
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:50:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
In-Reply-To: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
References: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
Message-ID: <005a01c8f7f5$56a80800$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Hi Dan,

I have found Murach's Visual Basic 2008 to be a good intro.  I was at a Dot
Net Developers Group meeting last night and won a copy of Deborah Kurata's
"Doing Objects in Visual Basic 2005".  I just skimmed through it and I look
like a great resource for someone coming from a VB or VBA background.  I
have Deborah's "Doing Objects in VB6" which was a great book for VB
developers 10 years ago.  Her latest book is one version of Visual Studio
behind but the concepts have not changed.

As a side comment it is interesting to contrast the interest in Dot net
development and Access development.  I attend both user's groups meetings.
There is a lot of energy and interest by head hunters at the Dot net
meetings.  Our Access Users Group hasn't seen a head hunter for quite some
time.

Have fun.

Doug 

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[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  9 11:54:46 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:54:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: Validate e-mail address
Message-ID: <s89de80d.073@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I needed to validate the format of user entered e-mail addresses and couldn't find a good method, except some RegEx at Microsoft.
So I had to run my own, but wonder if anything better exists.

MailAddress is used for first level validation as this later will be used to create the e-mails:

using System.Net.Mail;

        private static bool IsMailAddress(string address, out string cleanedAddress)
        {
            cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            try
            {
                MailAddress mailAddress = new MailAddress(address.Trim());
                // MailAddress validated the address. 
                // However, even one char only for Host will be accepted.
                // Extract user and host for further validation.
                bool isAddress = false;
                string displayName = mailAddress.DisplayName;
                // Strip internal spaces from user and host string.
                string user = mailAddress.User.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                string host = mailAddress.Host.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                // Build basic mail address.
                string baseAddress = (user + "@" + host).ToLower();
                // Check that Host contains a domain too.
                // Expanding on the method described here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308252 
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex mailRegex = 
                    new System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex("(?<user>[^@]+)@(?<host>[^.]+).(?<domain>[^.]+).");
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Match match = mailRegex.Match(baseAddress);
                Console.WriteLine(
                    match.Groups["user"].Value.ToString() + "@" +
                    match.Groups["host"].Value.ToString() + "." +
                    match.Groups["domain"].Value.ToString());
                isAddress = match.Success;
                if (isAddress)
                {
                    // Return formatted email address.
                    if (displayName.Length == 0)
                    {
                        // Basic mail address only.
                        cleanedAddress = baseAddress;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        // Full address including Display Name.
                        cleanedAddress = @"""" + displayName + @""" <" + baseAddress + @">";
                    }
                }
                return isAddress;
            }
            catch
            {
                return false;
            }
        }

The trick is that MailAddress is somewhat flexible regarding accepted strings and will _clean_ these, thus you very easily can return the cleaned string. Of course, you can turn this into a small class if you like.

Here's a basic method to use it with the ErrorProvider when validating a TextBox:

        private void textBoxEmailAddress_Validating(object sender, CancelEventArgs e)
        {
            TextBox textBox = (TextBox)sender;
            string errorDescription = String.Empty;
            string cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            string address = textBox.Text;
            if (textBox.Text.Equals(String.Empty))
            {
                errorDescription = "Please enter an e-mail address";
            }
            else if (!IsMailAddress(address, out cleanedAddress))
            {
                errorDescription = "The format of the address is not correct";
            }
            else
            {
                if (!cleanedAddress.Equals(address))
                {
                    textBox.Text = cleanedAddress;
                }
            }
            errorProvider1.SetError(textBox, errorDescription);
        }

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 04:55:29 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:55:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 05:04:16 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:04:16 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a02ad8.091@cactus.dk>

Oops. From another source:

SP1 does not include ASP.NET MVC Framework but only one basic element for ASP.NET MVC: Routing. 
Routing allows for nice URLs in traditional ASP.NET WebForm applications as well as ASP.NET MVC when this will be released later this year.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-08-2008 11:55 >>>
Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687 

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Aug 11 15:23:05 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:23:05 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
In-Reply-To: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001801c8fbf0$11e19b60$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

I looked at MVC for ASP.NET and I decided for myself to avoid using it. When
I will see/hear that somebody here uses it I might change my current
decision...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:55 PM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller)
pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Aug 16 16:48:44 2008
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:48:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
References: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>

http://www.asp.net/mvc/
...something else for my "to do" list ...current priority is zip :(

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:55 AM
To: <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

> Hi all
>
> Did you notice this:
>
>  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687
>
> and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.
>
> Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) 
> pattern for ASP.NET?
> Does it represent a new steep learning curve?
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 17 10:13:52 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:13:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8a85c68.059@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 03:49:36 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:49:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 12:52:56 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:52:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
	<BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 13:16:05 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:16:05 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 14:52:23 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:52:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <78EB589C8994444E90651EBB9511C449@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ha ha ha.... what can I say... reading fast, writing faster. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 22 11:26:33 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:33 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs - and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object, send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Aug 23 00:38:09 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:38:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF08@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 23 03:25:34 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:25:34 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Thanks. I'll continue to follow those guidelines, indeed as I don't use any unmanaged libraries.

/gustav

>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 23-08-2008 07:38 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sun Aug 24 18:39:42 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:39:42 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
References: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 19:43:16 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:43:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 24 20:06:40 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:06:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 24 20:10:51 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:10:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>,
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <48B2069B.25512.43478540@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Raid 0 is "Striped" - Raid 1 is "Mirrored"

Raid 0 doesn't give you any redundacy, it just improves access times.
Raid 5 requires a minimum of 3 disks
Raid 10 requires a minimum of 4 disks

I agree with Drew - go with Mirrored (ie Raid 1)


You can see the pros/cons of each Raid version and some nice action graphics at
http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html

On 24 Aug 2008 at 19:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
> half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
> drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
> reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
> either drive and the other will pick up live!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Maddison
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))
> 
> I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
> 10.  I've never used raid on
> a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
> I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
> GB now.
> 
> Any opinions?
> 
> cheers
> 
> Michael M
> 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 20:31:04 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:31:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do
add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other
hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 00:38:27 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:38:27 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
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Thanks,

I must suck...
Need to have a floppy to install drivers with XP!  So I borrowed 1 from
an old box and followed the instructions,
must have done something wrong as I tried 3 time but all I get is a BSOD
during Windows install.  

Remove the RAID option from the bios and installation goes fine...
<shrug>

Maybe next time...

cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, 25 August 2008 11:31 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You
do add the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the
other hand is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will
keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

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Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb
drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 25 18:15:39 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEAAAF978@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 20:34:01 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:34:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M



From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 25 21:37:37 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:37:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
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References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it will 
run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


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To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 23:14:57 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:14:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


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From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Aug 26 00:35:48 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:35:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <001001c9073d$9977bb10$6401a8c0@nant>

Michael,

I have Vista Ultimate edition on my notebook and I have VS2005 and VS2008
installed on it as well as VB6 and MS Office 2007...

I have done VB6 and VS2005 development on it and it worked well, activeX
dlls get registered etc.

Maybe you have issues you mentioned because of Vista running as a Virtiual
PC?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maddison
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:34 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 26 01:00:06 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:00:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
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Message-ID: <98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>

I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not qualified to 
say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I didn't know what 
I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64 bit. I haven't written 
any AX's so can't help you there but I have not had any problems installing 
those provided by others.  If it was awhile ago perhaps you were running 
into permission issues. I do every thing run as admin and everything seems 
to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am 
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to run 
fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and perhaps 
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what caused 
your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Tue Aug 26 02:30:00 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:00 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF26@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Thanks all,

I'm installing Vista64 now.
If I run into problem I'll either run virtual XP or keep a machine
loaded with my legacy bits.

cheers

Michael M 



I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not
qualified to say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I
didn't know what I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64
bit. I haven't written any AX's so can't help you there but I have not
had any problems installing those provided by others.  If it was awhile
ago perhaps you were running into permission issues. I do every thing
run as admin and everything seems to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to
run fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and
perhaps
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what
caused your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 27 02:41:56 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:41:56 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 28 03:08:00 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:08:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MDI Winforms, no keyboard copy, cut or paste
Message-ID: <s8b67913.088@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It took me some research to figure this out ...

Should you ever wonder why you have "lost" the keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste in your child forms while the popup menu still offer that functionality, the reason is that the standard MDI form has "hijacked" the shortcuts for its own menu line:

http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/csharpgeneral/thread/59a54884-d987-4a39-b9ab-97d3d9f3acf8/

/gustav





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 28 19:03:15 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
References: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEAAAFA32@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 29 04:46:23 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:46:23 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b7e1b1.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

And, as I noticed the other day, if you look up the .designer.cs code for any form created from the VS template, this is found (probably similar for VB.NET) which may tell the form to clean up its components:

        /// <summary>
        /// Clean up any resources being used.
        /// </summary>
        /// <param name="disposing">true if managed resources should be disposed; otherwise, false.</param>
        protected override void Dispose(bool disposing)
        {
            if (disposing && (components != null))
            {
                components.Dispose();
            }
            base.Dispose(disposing);
        }

So no magic, just handcraft.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 29-08-2008 02:03 >>>
That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 30 05:10:04 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:10:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8b938b8.026@cactus.dk>

Hi all

(blush) ... if no decimals exist (number is an integer) that one-liner will fail. So check for zero decimals:

  double number = -1234.56789;
  int mantissa = 0;
  decimal fraction = (decimal)number % 1;
  if (fraction != 0)
  {
      mantissa = Convert.ToInt32(Math.Abs(fraction).ToString().Substring(2));
  }

/gustav  

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 17-08-2008 17:13 >>>
Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug  5 20:36:58 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:36:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
Message-ID: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
Dan






From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 13:50:47 2008
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:50:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
In-Reply-To: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
References: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
Message-ID: <005a01c8f7f5$56a80800$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Hi Dan,

I have found Murach's Visual Basic 2008 to be a good intro.  I was at a Dot
Net Developers Group meeting last night and won a copy of Deborah Kurata's
"Doing Objects in Visual Basic 2005".  I just skimmed through it and I look
like a great resource for someone coming from a VB or VBA background.  I
have Deborah's "Doing Objects in VB6" which was a great book for VB
developers 10 years ago.  Her latest book is one version of Visual Studio
behind but the concepts have not changed.

As a side comment it is interesting to contrast the interest in Dot net
development and Access development.  I attend both user's groups meetings.
There is a lot of energy and interest by head hunters at the Dot net
meetings.  Our Access Users Group hasn't seen a head hunter for quite some
time.

Have fun.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
Dan




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  9 11:54:46 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:54:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: Validate e-mail address
Message-ID: <s89de80d.073@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I needed to validate the format of user entered e-mail addresses and couldn't find a good method, except some RegEx at Microsoft.
So I had to run my own, but wonder if anything better exists.

MailAddress is used for first level validation as this later will be used to create the e-mails:

using System.Net.Mail;

        private static bool IsMailAddress(string address, out string cleanedAddress)
        {
            cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            try
            {
                MailAddress mailAddress = new MailAddress(address.Trim());
                // MailAddress validated the address. 
                // However, even one char only for Host will be accepted.
                // Extract user and host for further validation.
                bool isAddress = false;
                string displayName = mailAddress.DisplayName;
                // Strip internal spaces from user and host string.
                string user = mailAddress.User.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                string host = mailAddress.Host.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                // Build basic mail address.
                string baseAddress = (user + "@" + host).ToLower();
                // Check that Host contains a domain too.
                // Expanding on the method described here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308252 
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex mailRegex = 
                    new System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex("(?<user>[^@]+)@(?<host>[^.]+).(?<domain>[^.]+).");
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Match match = mailRegex.Match(baseAddress);
                Console.WriteLine(
                    match.Groups["user"].Value.ToString() + "@" +
                    match.Groups["host"].Value.ToString() + "." +
                    match.Groups["domain"].Value.ToString());
                isAddress = match.Success;
                if (isAddress)
                {
                    // Return formatted email address.
                    if (displayName.Length == 0)
                    {
                        // Basic mail address only.
                        cleanedAddress = baseAddress;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        // Full address including Display Name.
                        cleanedAddress = @"""" + displayName + @""" <" + baseAddress + @">";
                    }
                }
                return isAddress;
            }
            catch
            {
                return false;
            }
        }

The trick is that MailAddress is somewhat flexible regarding accepted strings and will _clean_ these, thus you very easily can return the cleaned string. Of course, you can turn this into a small class if you like.

Here's a basic method to use it with the ErrorProvider when validating a TextBox:

        private void textBoxEmailAddress_Validating(object sender, CancelEventArgs e)
        {
            TextBox textBox = (TextBox)sender;
            string errorDescription = String.Empty;
            string cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            string address = textBox.Text;
            if (textBox.Text.Equals(String.Empty))
            {
                errorDescription = "Please enter an e-mail address";
            }
            else if (!IsMailAddress(address, out cleanedAddress))
            {
                errorDescription = "The format of the address is not correct";
            }
            else
            {
                if (!cleanedAddress.Equals(address))
                {
                    textBox.Text = cleanedAddress;
                }
            }
            errorProvider1.SetError(textBox, errorDescription);
        }

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 04:55:29 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:55:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 05:04:16 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:04:16 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a02ad8.091@cactus.dk>

Oops. From another source:

SP1 does not include ASP.NET MVC Framework but only one basic element for ASP.NET MVC: Routing. 
Routing allows for nice URLs in traditional ASP.NET WebForm applications as well as ASP.NET MVC when this will be released later this year.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-08-2008 11:55 >>>
Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687 

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Aug 11 15:23:05 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:23:05 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
In-Reply-To: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001801c8fbf0$11e19b60$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

I looked at MVC for ASP.NET and I decided for myself to avoid using it. When
I will see/hear that somebody here uses it I might change my current
decision...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:55 PM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller)
pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Aug 16 16:48:44 2008
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:48:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
References: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>

http://www.asp.net/mvc/
...something else for my "to do" list ...current priority is zip :(

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:55 AM
To: <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

> Hi all
>
> Did you notice this:
>
>  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687
>
> and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.
>
> Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) 
> pattern for ASP.NET?
> Does it represent a new steep learning curve?
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 17 10:13:52 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:13:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8a85c68.059@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 03:49:36 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:49:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 12:52:56 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:52:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
	<BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 13:16:05 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:16:05 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 14:52:23 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:52:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <78EB589C8994444E90651EBB9511C449@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ha ha ha.... what can I say... reading fast, writing faster. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 22 11:26:33 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:33 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs - and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object, send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Aug 23 00:38:09 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:38:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF08@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 23 03:25:34 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:25:34 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Thanks. I'll continue to follow those guidelines, indeed as I don't use any unmanaged libraries.

/gustav

>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 23-08-2008 07:38 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sun Aug 24 18:39:42 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:39:42 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
References: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 19:43:16 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:43:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 24 20:06:40 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:06:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 24 20:10:51 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:10:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>,
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <48B2069B.25512.43478540@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Raid 0 is "Striped" - Raid 1 is "Mirrored"

Raid 0 doesn't give you any redundacy, it just improves access times.
Raid 5 requires a minimum of 3 disks
Raid 10 requires a minimum of 4 disks

I agree with Drew - go with Mirrored (ie Raid 1)


You can see the pros/cons of each Raid version and some nice action graphics at
http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html

On 24 Aug 2008 at 19:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
> half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
> drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
> reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
> either drive and the other will pick up live!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Maddison
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))
> 
> I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
> 10.  I've never used raid on
> a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
> I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
> GB now.
> 
> Any opinions?
> 
> cheers
> 
> Michael M
> 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 20:31:04 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:31:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do
add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other
hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 00:38:27 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:38:27 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Thanks,

I must suck...
Need to have a floppy to install drivers with XP!  So I borrowed 1 from
an old box and followed the instructions,
must have done something wrong as I tried 3 time but all I get is a BSOD
during Windows install.  

Remove the RAID option from the bios and installation goes fine...
<shrug>

Maybe next time...

cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, 25 August 2008 11:31 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You
do add the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the
other hand is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will
keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb
drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 25 18:15:39 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEAAAF978@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 20:34:01 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:34:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M



From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 25 21:37:37 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:37:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
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	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it will 
run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


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To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 23:14:57 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:14:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Aug 26 00:35:48 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:35:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <001001c9073d$9977bb10$6401a8c0@nant>

Michael,

I have Vista Ultimate edition on my notebook and I have VS2005 and VS2008
installed on it as well as VB6 and MS Office 2007...

I have done VB6 and VS2005 development on it and it worked well, activeX
dlls get registered etc.

Maybe you have issues you mentioned because of Vista running as a Virtiual
PC?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maddison
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:34 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 26 01:00:06 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:00:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>

I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not qualified to 
say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I didn't know what 
I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64 bit. I haven't written 
any AX's so can't help you there but I have not had any problems installing 
those provided by others.  If it was awhile ago perhaps you were running 
into permission issues. I do every thing run as admin and everything seems 
to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am 
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to run 
fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and perhaps 
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what caused 
your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Tue Aug 26 02:30:00 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:00 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF26@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Thanks all,

I'm installing Vista64 now.
If I run into problem I'll either run virtual XP or keep a machine
loaded with my legacy bits.

cheers

Michael M 



I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not
qualified to say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I
didn't know what I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64
bit. I haven't written any AX's so can't help you there but I have not
had any problems installing those provided by others.  If it was awhile
ago perhaps you were running into permission issues. I do every thing
run as admin and everything seems to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to
run fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and
perhaps
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what
caused your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 27 02:41:56 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:41:56 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 28 03:08:00 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:08:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MDI Winforms, no keyboard copy, cut or paste
Message-ID: <s8b67913.088@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It took me some research to figure this out ...

Should you ever wonder why you have "lost" the keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste in your child forms while the popup menu still offer that functionality, the reason is that the standard MDI form has "hijacked" the shortcuts for its own menu line:

http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/csharpgeneral/thread/59a54884-d987-4a39-b9ab-97d3d9f3acf8/

/gustav





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 28 19:03:15 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
References: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEAAAFA32@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 29 04:46:23 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:46:23 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b7e1b1.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

And, as I noticed the other day, if you look up the .designer.cs code for any form created from the VS template, this is found (probably similar for VB.NET) which may tell the form to clean up its components:

        /// <summary>
        /// Clean up any resources being used.
        /// </summary>
        /// <param name="disposing">true if managed resources should be disposed; otherwise, false.</param>
        protected override void Dispose(bool disposing)
        {
            if (disposing && (components != null))
            {
                components.Dispose();
            }
            base.Dispose(disposing);
        }

So no magic, just handcraft.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 29-08-2008 02:03 >>>
That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 30 05:10:04 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:10:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8b938b8.026@cactus.dk>

Hi all

(blush) ... if no decimals exist (number is an integer) that one-liner will fail. So check for zero decimals:

  double number = -1234.56789;
  int mantissa = 0;
  decimal fraction = (decimal)number % 1;
  if (fraction != 0)
  {
      mantissa = Convert.ToInt32(Math.Abs(fraction).ToString().Substring(2));
  }

/gustav  

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 17-08-2008 17:13 >>>
Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug  5 20:36:58 2008
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:36:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
Message-ID: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
Dan






From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 13:50:47 2008
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:50:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)
In-Reply-To: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
References: <DF7F6131254E475EBD0585A6183DFEDA@danwaters>
Message-ID: <005a01c8f7f5$56a80800$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Hi Dan,

I have found Murach's Visual Basic 2008 to be a good intro.  I was at a Dot
Net Developers Group meeting last night and won a copy of Deborah Kurata's
"Doing Objects in Visual Basic 2005".  I just skimmed through it and I look
like a great resource for someone coming from a VB or VBA background.  I
have Deborah's "Doing Objects in VB6" which was a great book for VB
developers 10 years ago.  Her latest book is one version of Visual Studio
behind but the concepts have not changed.

As a side comment it is interesting to contrast the interest in Dot net
development and Access development.  I attend both user's groups meetings.
There is a lot of energy and interest by head hunters at the Dot net
meetings.  Our Access Users Group hasn't seen a head hunter for quite some
time.

Have fun.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] Book Recommendation? (Cross-Posted VB + Access)

I want to get a book on VS 2008 and a book on VB 2008.  I am new to both,
with significant Access experience.

Does anyone have recommendations for or against?  

Thanks!
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  9 11:54:46 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:54:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: Validate e-mail address
Message-ID: <s89de80d.073@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I needed to validate the format of user entered e-mail addresses and couldn't find a good method, except some RegEx at Microsoft.
So I had to run my own, but wonder if anything better exists.

MailAddress is used for first level validation as this later will be used to create the e-mails:

using System.Net.Mail;

        private static bool IsMailAddress(string address, out string cleanedAddress)
        {
            cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            try
            {
                MailAddress mailAddress = new MailAddress(address.Trim());
                // MailAddress validated the address. 
                // However, even one char only for Host will be accepted.
                // Extract user and host for further validation.
                bool isAddress = false;
                string displayName = mailAddress.DisplayName;
                // Strip internal spaces from user and host string.
                string user = mailAddress.User.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                string host = mailAddress.Host.Replace(" ", String.Empty);
                // Build basic mail address.
                string baseAddress = (user + "@" + host).ToLower();
                // Check that Host contains a domain too.
                // Expanding on the method described here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308252 
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex mailRegex = 
                    new System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex("(?<user>[^@]+)@(?<host>[^.]+).(?<domain>[^.]+).");
                System.Text.RegularExpressions.Match match = mailRegex.Match(baseAddress);
                Console.WriteLine(
                    match.Groups["user"].Value.ToString() + "@" +
                    match.Groups["host"].Value.ToString() + "." +
                    match.Groups["domain"].Value.ToString());
                isAddress = match.Success;
                if (isAddress)
                {
                    // Return formatted email address.
                    if (displayName.Length == 0)
                    {
                        // Basic mail address only.
                        cleanedAddress = baseAddress;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        // Full address including Display Name.
                        cleanedAddress = @"""" + displayName + @""" <" + baseAddress + @">";
                    }
                }
                return isAddress;
            }
            catch
            {
                return false;
            }
        }

The trick is that MailAddress is somewhat flexible regarding accepted strings and will _clean_ these, thus you very easily can return the cleaned string. Of course, you can turn this into a small class if you like.

Here's a basic method to use it with the ErrorProvider when validating a TextBox:

        private void textBoxEmailAddress_Validating(object sender, CancelEventArgs e)
        {
            TextBox textBox = (TextBox)sender;
            string errorDescription = String.Empty;
            string cleanedAddress = String.Empty;
            string address = textBox.Text;
            if (textBox.Text.Equals(String.Empty))
            {
                errorDescription = "Please enter an e-mail address";
            }
            else if (!IsMailAddress(address, out cleanedAddress))
            {
                errorDescription = "The format of the address is not correct";
            }
            else
            {
                if (!cleanedAddress.Equals(address))
                {
                    textBox.Text = cleanedAddress;
                }
            }
            errorProvider1.SetError(textBox, errorDescription);
        }

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 04:55:29 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:55:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 11 05:04:16 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:04:16 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
Message-ID: <s8a02ad8.091@cactus.dk>

Oops. From another source:

SP1 does not include ASP.NET MVC Framework but only one basic element for ASP.NET MVC: Routing. 
Routing allows for nice URLs in traditional ASP.NET WebForm applications as well as ASP.NET MVC when this will be released later this year.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 11-08-2008 11:55 >>>
Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687 

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Aug 11 15:23:05 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:23:05 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
In-Reply-To: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001801c8fbf0$11e19b60$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Gustav,

I looked at MVC for ASP.NET and I decided for myself to avoid using it. When
I will see/hear that somebody here uses it I might change my current
decision...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:55 PM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

Hi all

Did you notice this:

  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687

and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.

Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller)
pattern for ASP.NET?
Does it represent a new steep learning curve?

/gustav


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Aug 16 16:48:44 2008
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:48:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?
References: <s8a028d8.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>

http://www.asp.net/mvc/
...something else for my "to do" list ...current priority is zip :(

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:55 AM
To: <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-VB] .NET 3.5 SP1 to ship this summer. MVC?

> Hi all
>
> Did you notice this:
>
>  http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32687
>
> and the link inside (near bottom) to the previous story.
>
> Now, to me the big question is: What is this MVC (Model-View-Controller) 
> pattern for ASP.NET?
> Does it represent a new steep learning curve?
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 17 10:13:52 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:13:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8a85c68.059@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 03:49:36 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:49:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 12:52:56 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:52:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <F8CF7C0FD108436CA7B81494C5FA632E@jislaptopdev>
	<BLU103-DAV1318C2F3FE5CD247F3BF16D26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Aug 18 13:16:05 2008
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:16:05 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 18 14:52:23 2008
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:52:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
References: <CD416F8097E04D18ABE3A4EB4561A722@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BLU103-DAV2B4A72C87A5DF70C22A5DD26E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <78EB589C8994444E90651EBB9511C449@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ha ha ha.... what can I say... reading fast, writing faster. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Thanks, Jim, especially since I posted in the wrong forum.

A nasty zombie of your client's!  But I think in this case it may have been
the 500-year-old flesh-colored cobbles in yesterday's picture...

And FortiGuard have re-categorized the site now.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:53
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?


Hi John:

Some sites have got Black-listed because other sites have been spoofing
their web addresses. There is also some other reasons.

Had a client a few weeks back that had a very sophisticated Zombie embedded
in their site that was used to re-direct, publish and pipeline remote spam
through it. It was not until their ISP started blocking them did they become
aware something was wrong. The program actually erased all related log data
so nothing was alerting them before. We subsequently discovered that this is
a very common practice.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:50 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] FortiGuard?

Do any of you use FortiGuard's web filtering service?  With what results?

I ask because they have classified this web site as Pornography:
http://www.littlemoretonsingers.org.uk/

Go on, take a look, unless the occasional bare ankle offends you!  But be
quick - I've already complained, and they may re-classify it.

John

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 22 11:26:33 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:33 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs - and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object, send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Aug 23 00:38:09 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:38:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF08@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 23 03:25:34 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:25:34 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Thanks. I'll continue to follow those guidelines, indeed as I don't use any unmanaged libraries.

/gustav

>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 23-08-2008 07:38 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I rarely explicitly Dispose.  
I was aware that certain objects do require Disposing such as some
Streams and some database objects.
These days I use Using  'C#' not sure what the VB equivalent is.  

Browsing the article he makes it pretty clear that Dispose is mainly
used for unmanaged objects, so in your example
if you are using an unmanaged library then you should probably Dispose
it.  

If you are writing an API that uses unmanaged objects then as the
developer you should implement the IDispose Interface.

If your app is leaking memory then you may be missing Dispose calls.

cheers

Michael M


Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sun Aug 24 18:39:42 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:39:42 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
References: <s8afe5b2.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 19:43:16 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:43:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 24 20:06:40 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:06:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
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Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 24 20:10:51 2008
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:10:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF09@ddi-01.DDI.local>,
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Raid 0 is "Striped" - Raid 1 is "Mirrored"

Raid 0 doesn't give you any redundacy, it just improves access times.
Raid 5 requires a minimum of 3 disks
Raid 10 requires a minimum of 4 disks

I agree with Drew - go with Mirrored (ie Raid 1)


You can see the pros/cons of each Raid version and some nice action graphics at
http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html

On 24 Aug 2008 at 19:43, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
> half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
> drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
> reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
> either drive and the other will pick up live!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Maddison
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))
> 
> I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
> 10.  I've never used raid on
> a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
> I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
> GB now.
> 
> Any opinions?
> 
> cheers
> 
> Michael M
> 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 24 20:31:04 2008
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:31:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
In-Reply-To: <231A64CBB0AC49BBA9EEA405BE8F8B5F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast 
is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You do
add 
the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the other
hand 
is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on
a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 00:38:27 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:38:27 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Thanks,

I must suck...
Need to have a floppy to install drivers with XP!  So I borrowed 1 from
an old box and followed the instructions,
must have done something wrong as I tried 3 time but all I get is a BSOD
during Windows install.  

Remove the RAID option from the bios and installation goes fine...
<shrug>

Maybe next time...

cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, 25 August 2008 11:31 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Ooops.... you're right, 1 is a mirror, and 0 is a stripe...my bad....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:07 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

I don't think that what Drew said is correct. The reason that raid 0 is
fast is because it stripes on both drives. If either fails your SOL. You
do add the drives together so you would have 1TB of space. Raid 1 on the
other hand is a mirror, is only 500G and if one fails the other will
keep on going.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?


I would recommend going with a raid 0.  It's a mirror, and you will lose
half of your space capacity (essentially you'll only have 1 500 gig
drive, instead of 2), but it'll run just fine, speed wise, in fact,
reading will go twice as fast, and you have the reliability of losing
either drive and the other will pick up live!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:40 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC with Raid?

Hi Guys,

Just got my new bits to build a new dev workstation. :-)))

I ordered 2 x 500 gb sata hdd's, the motherboard comes with raid 0,1,5 +
10.  I've never used raid on a workstation before.  I have a 1TB usb
drive I use for backups already.
I have all my dev stuff including a lot of data fitting into about 200
GB now.

Any opinions?

cheers

Michael M

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 25 18:15:39 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
References: <s8af04f9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEAAAF978@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 20:34:01 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:34:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M



From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 25 21:37:37 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:37:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it will 
run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Aug 25 23:14:57 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:14:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems. 
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Aug 26 00:35:48 2008
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:35:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <001001c9073d$9977bb10$6401a8c0@nant>

Michael,

I have Vista Ultimate edition on my notebook and I have VS2005 and VS2008
installed on it as well as VB6 and MS Office 2007...

I have done VB6 and VS2005 development on it and it worked well, activeX
dlls get registered etc.

Maybe you have issues you mentioned because of Vista running as a Virtiual
PC?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maddison
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:34 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS

Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 26 01:00:06 2008
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:00:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS>
	<59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>

I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not qualified to 
say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I didn't know what 
I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64 bit. I haven't written 
any AX's so can't help you there but I have not had any problems installing 
those provided by others.  If it was awhile ago perhaps you were running 
into permission issues. I do every thing run as admin and everything seems 
to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am 
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to run 
fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and perhaps 
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what caused 
your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Tue Aug 26 02:30:00 2008
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:00 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20187D5F5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF11@ddi-01.DDI.local><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1A@ddi-01.DDI.local><4A8910858CA74E47B3A12A3D58A03F90@BPCS><59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF1F@ddi-01.DDI.local>
	<98E7C22C36F644C1BB94A0C0F65E756F@BPCS>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D013BFF26@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Thanks all,

I'm installing Vista64 now.
If I run into problem I'll either run virtual XP or keep a machine
loaded with my legacy bits.

cheers

Michael M 



I really only have a few projects in each type so certainly not
qualified to say no problem, but so far all the problems were because I
didn't know what I was doing. You do not need special versions for 64
bit. I haven't written any AX's so can't help you there but I have not
had any problems installing those provided by others.  If it was awhile
ago perhaps you were running into permission issues. I do every thing
run as admin and everything seems to install ok.

I have done some testing in a  Vista 32 in a Virtual PC , mostly so I am
able to see what my friends an clients see with threes and that seems to
run fine as well, though It does not allow USB (except for the mouse and
perhaps
keyboard.)

Sorry I can't be of more help, but in my opinion Vista is not what
caused your problem, excluding the permissions thing.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Maddison" <michael at ddisolutions.com.au>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."

<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Hi Bill,

Did you have any issues registering ax ddl's and ax controls?
IIRC When I tried loading VB projects it would have missing refs and I
couldn't work out how to
register them.  Maybe I was mistaken, it was a while ago!  Most were
files I'd created and maybe recompiling would
have solved the issue, but I didn't take it any further.  Didn't want to
load and compile 10 projects just to get another project
up and running when it all worked fine in XP.

Are there any issues I need to be aware of with 64bit Vista?  Do I need
64bit versions of VS or SQL tools etc?
Any issues compiling for 32 bit?  Problems with drivers?

cheers

Michael

Michael,

I am using vb6, VS 2005 and 2008 on a Vista 64 bit machine with no
problems.
I also have installed vb6 apps and they run fine as well.

You might try  uninstalling VB 6 and reinstalling, but generally if it
will run on Vista 64 it will run on any Vista.

Bill


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Subject: [dba-VB] Dev PC OS


Me again...

I have a Virtual PC with Vista installed on my old pc and found
developing on it pretty annoying
with VS2005.  I also ran into big problems with my legacy VB6 apps that
I still support.
IIRC I could not find a way to regsvr32 controls and dll's which made
VB6 dev impossible and I gave up.
Has anything changed?
Is Vista an option for Dev work or should I just stick with XP?

Sorry if this is OT.

cheers

Michael M

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 27 02:41:56 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:41:56 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 28 03:08:00 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:08:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MDI Winforms, no keyboard copy, cut or paste
Message-ID: <s8b67913.088@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It took me some research to figure this out ...

Should you ever wonder why you have "lost" the keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste in your child forms while the popup menu still offer that functionality, the reason is that the standard MDI form has "hijacked" the shortcuts for its own menu line:

http://forums.msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/csharpgeneral/thread/59a54884-d987-4a39-b9ab-97d3d9f3acf8/

/gustav





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 28 19:03:15 2008
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
In-Reply-To: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
References: <s8b52176.056@cactus.dk>
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That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 29 04:46:23 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:46:23 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose
Message-ID: <s8b7e1b1.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

And, as I noticed the other day, if you look up the .designer.cs code for any form created from the VS template, this is found (probably similar for VB.NET) which may tell the form to clean up its components:

        /// <summary>
        /// Clean up any resources being used.
        /// </summary>
        /// <param name="disposing">true if managed resources should be disposed; otherwise, false.</param>
        protected override void Dispose(bool disposing)
        {
            if (disposing && (components != null))
            {
                components.Dispose();
            }
            base.Dispose(disposing);
        }

So no magic, just handcraft.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 29-08-2008 02:03 >>>
That's the way I understand it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi Charlotte

That makes sense. So, for example, all the common stuff used by a form
is disposed automatically when the form is closed. And when I use the
e-mail components I can manually dispose those when done to free VS to
keep track of that.

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2008 01:15 >>>
It was more important in earlier version of VS because the garbage
collection wasn't as good as the current versions.  If you do dispose an
object, make sure you aren't going to need it again in a minute, because
it's gone!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:27 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [dba-VB] C#: When to Dispose

Hi all

Came across this article on the subject:

  http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/33167 

and realise that I don't dispose objects that much and yet the code runs
- and most of the coding examples I see don't tell much about it.

Right now I'm writing some code to send a series of e-mails and the code
I found calls Dispose. That makes sense: Create the MailMessage object,
send the message, dispose object.

But what experience do you have? How keen are you about disposing
objects?

/gustav





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 30 05:10:04 2008
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:10:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#, mantissa, math fun
Message-ID: <s8b938b8.026@cactus.dk>

Hi all

(blush) ... if no decimals exist (number is an integer) that one-liner will fail. So check for zero decimals:

  double number = -1234.56789;
  int mantissa = 0;
  decimal fraction = (decimal)number % 1;
  if (fraction != 0)
  {
      mantissa = Convert.ToInt32(Math.Abs(fraction).ToString().Substring(2));
  }

/gustav  

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 17-08-2008 17:13 >>>
Hi all

Delphi people know this as Fract, the decimal part of a decimal number.

C# does not contain a direct method to extract that, so I thought of some smart math way to do so as I try too to avoid number handling by string conversion as it often turns into some "dirty" operation.
By second thought you - as a human - easily can extract the mantissa but you do that by looking at the full number as a string. So why not ask the machine to do the same - and simple string handling is actually extremely fast for small strings like here, while raising a number to the power of something (which is a math method) is slower.

So, inspired by this link:

  http://bytes.com/forum/thread563673.html 

I found this simple one-liner which handles both negative and positive numbers:

double number = -1234.56789;
int mantissa = Convert.ToInt32((Math.Abs((decimal)number) % 1).ToString().Substring(2));

mantissa -> 56789

Of course, if you expect to use it a lot, wrap it into a utility class.

Still, I wonder if some clever byte manipulation method would exist.

/gustav