From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 9 03:14:08 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:14:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Message-ID: Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 9 10:30:30 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:30:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AD750ED089E42BF8C7F9166D70785C8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: That looks great. I will have a chance to investigate next weekend. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 16 04:27:05 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:27:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Message-ID: Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 12:38:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:38:54 -0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4999b2c5.06a0100a.432c.fffffd05@mx.google.com> You could try to put the full path in Public_html\myfolder Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 16 February 2009 10:27 To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 20 13:54:58 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:54:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: <278A1782E6FD426A82984651EAE0E1F5@danwaters> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't know yet. Any thoughts? Thanks! Dan From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 21 03:23:33 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:23:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Dan Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to investigate. I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. /gustav >>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> Dan ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a prototype to work. ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil are already there waiting. ...hth William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Waters" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net > FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to > provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't > know yet. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > Dan From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sat Feb 21 16:23:42 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:23:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer > of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you > busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to > investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a > challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in > both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the > rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love > it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays > of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access > does > by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn > which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn > many > of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't > even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a > lot more time getting a prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want > to > charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the > same > app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things > you > could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are > givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out > that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access > if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself > doing > things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot > easier > and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants > ...I > find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it > does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't > look > like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that > .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its > not > vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in > vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, > among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# > is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil > are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and > related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net >> FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to >> provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I >> don't >> know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Johncliviger at aol.com Sun Feb 22 09:31:56 2009 From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:31:56 EST Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi William Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? john cliviger From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sun Feb 22 17:10:15 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:10:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:37:06 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:37:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One big difference between the express and full versions is that express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report > viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can > easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > further items to investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt > that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code > examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and > code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I > love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe > what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code > library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing > and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a > replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a > prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you > want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of > 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there > are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to > figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist > in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure > out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in > than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you > find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client > wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word > ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over > the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over > that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome > by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you > ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a > lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net > code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and > shamil are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic > and related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >> learning this, so I don't know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:38:45 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. The punctuation drives me nuts! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:39:07 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:39:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that express > doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am > bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first > apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would > be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't > used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck > with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can > pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you > don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much > sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but > filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I > started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really > isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the > other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:45:26 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:45:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <3C467A7F77254909AB185B9A35FB2F89@jislaptopdev> ...true ...but when you're an independent like me you run into power user prospects who's eyes light up when you mention c# and cloud over when you mention vb :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:38 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. > The punctuation drives me nuts! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: > AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...these are in my favorites > > codeplex.com > codeproject.com > windowsdevcenter.com > devx.com/dotnet/ > devcity.net > getfreesofts.com > code.msdn.microsoft > vbforums.com > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi William >> >> Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? >> >> john cliviger >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 12:57:21 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:57:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> References: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Feb 24 16:53:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:53:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 17:56:49 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:56:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something Susan and I are working on. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:54 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 9 03:14:08 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:14:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Message-ID: Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 9 10:30:30 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:30:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AD750ED089E42BF8C7F9166D70785C8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: That looks great. I will have a chance to investigate next weekend. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 16 04:27:05 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:27:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Message-ID: Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 12:38:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:38:54 -0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4999b2c5.06a0100a.432c.fffffd05@mx.google.com> You could try to put the full path in Public_html\myfolder Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 16 February 2009 10:27 To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 20 13:54:58 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:54:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: <278A1782E6FD426A82984651EAE0E1F5@danwaters> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't know yet. Any thoughts? Thanks! Dan From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 21 03:23:33 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:23:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Dan Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to investigate. I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. /gustav >>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> Dan ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a prototype to work. ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil are already there waiting. ...hth William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Waters" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net > FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to > provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't > know yet. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > Dan From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sat Feb 21 16:23:42 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:23:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer > of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you > busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to > investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a > challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in > both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the > rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love > it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays > of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access > does > by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn > which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn > many > of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't > even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a > lot more time getting a prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want > to > charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the > same > app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things > you > could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are > givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out > that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access > if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself > doing > things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot > easier > and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants > ...I > find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it > does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't > look > like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that > .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its > not > vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in > vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, > among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# > is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil > are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and > related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net >> FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to >> provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I >> don't >> know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Johncliviger at aol.com Sun Feb 22 09:31:56 2009 From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:31:56 EST Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi William Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? john cliviger From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sun Feb 22 17:10:15 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:10:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:37:06 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:37:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One big difference between the express and full versions is that express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report > viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can > easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > further items to investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt > that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code > examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and > code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I > love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe > what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code > library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing > and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a > replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a > prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you > want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of > 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there > are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to > figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist > in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure > out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in > than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you > find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client > wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word > ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over > the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over > that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome > by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you > ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a > lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net > code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and > shamil are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic > and related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >> learning this, so I don't know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:38:45 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. The punctuation drives me nuts! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:39:07 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:39:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that express > doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am > bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first > apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would > be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't > used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck > with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can > pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you > don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much > sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but > filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I > started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really > isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the > other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:45:26 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:45:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <3C467A7F77254909AB185B9A35FB2F89@jislaptopdev> ...true ...but when you're an independent like me you run into power user prospects who's eyes light up when you mention c# and cloud over when you mention vb :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:38 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. > The punctuation drives me nuts! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: > AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...these are in my favorites > > codeplex.com > codeproject.com > windowsdevcenter.com > devx.com/dotnet/ > devcity.net > getfreesofts.com > code.msdn.microsoft > vbforums.com > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi William >> >> Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? >> >> john cliviger >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 12:57:21 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:57:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> References: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Feb 24 16:53:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:53:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 17:56:49 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:56:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something Susan and I are working on. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:54 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 9 03:14:08 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:14:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Message-ID: Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 9 10:30:30 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:30:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AD750ED089E42BF8C7F9166D70785C8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: That looks great. I will have a chance to investigate next weekend. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 16 04:27:05 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:27:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Message-ID: Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 12:38:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:38:54 -0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4999b2c5.06a0100a.432c.fffffd05@mx.google.com> You could try to put the full path in Public_html\myfolder Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 16 February 2009 10:27 To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 20 13:54:58 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:54:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: <278A1782E6FD426A82984651EAE0E1F5@danwaters> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't know yet. Any thoughts? Thanks! Dan From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 21 03:23:33 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:23:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Dan Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to investigate. I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. /gustav >>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> Dan ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a prototype to work. ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil are already there waiting. ...hth William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Waters" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net > FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to > provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't > know yet. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > Dan From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sat Feb 21 16:23:42 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:23:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer > of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you > busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to > investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a > challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in > both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the > rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love > it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays > of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access > does > by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn > which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn > many > of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't > even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a > lot more time getting a prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want > to > charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the > same > app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things > you > could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are > givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out > that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access > if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself > doing > things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot > easier > and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants > ...I > find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it > does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't > look > like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that > .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its > not > vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in > vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, > among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# > is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil > are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and > related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net >> FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to >> provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I >> don't >> know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Johncliviger at aol.com Sun Feb 22 09:31:56 2009 From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:31:56 EST Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi William Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? john cliviger From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sun Feb 22 17:10:15 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:10:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:37:06 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:37:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One big difference between the express and full versions is that express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report > viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can > easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > further items to investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt > that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code > examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and > code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I > love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe > what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code > library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing > and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a > replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a > prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you > want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of > 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there > are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to > figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist > in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure > out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in > than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you > find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client > wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word > ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over > the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over > that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome > by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you > ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a > lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net > code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and > shamil are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic > and related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >> learning this, so I don't know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:38:45 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. The punctuation drives me nuts! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:39:07 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:39:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that express > doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am > bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first > apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would > be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't > used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck > with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can > pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you > don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much > sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but > filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I > started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really > isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the > other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:45:26 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:45:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <3C467A7F77254909AB185B9A35FB2F89@jislaptopdev> ...true ...but when you're an independent like me you run into power user prospects who's eyes light up when you mention c# and cloud over when you mention vb :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:38 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. > The punctuation drives me nuts! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: > AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...these are in my favorites > > codeplex.com > codeproject.com > windowsdevcenter.com > devx.com/dotnet/ > devcity.net > getfreesofts.com > code.msdn.microsoft > vbforums.com > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi William >> >> Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? >> >> john cliviger >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 12:57:21 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:57:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> References: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Feb 24 16:53:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:53:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 17:56:49 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:56:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something Susan and I are working on. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:54 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 9 03:14:08 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:14:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Message-ID: Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 9 10:30:30 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:30:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AD750ED089E42BF8C7F9166D70785C8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: That looks great. I will have a chance to investigate next weekend. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Web page optimizing Hi all Recently I attended a presentation by Mads Kristensen, a bright young guy, on how to optimize (=minimize) loading time for a web page. Using the YSlow tool for Firebug (an add-in for Firefox) he demonstrated how to obtain a Yahoo score of A on nearly all points. Part of that is a series of tools - The WebOptimzer Class - he now has published for download at his blog: http://blog.madskristensen.dk/post/The-WebOptimizer-class.aspx Later I found out that if you won't bother with plugins and so on for FireFox and just need a graph on the load times for the various components of a page, you can install the Apple Safari out of the box. When you install, be sure to choose custom and mark the Developer option. This adds a menu entry, Developer, which will display all sorts of statistics and info on the current page and even some advice on how to reduce load times. /gustav PS: Also check out his open-source project, BlogEngine.Net, at http://www.dotnetblogengine.net. Very neat. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Feb 16 04:27:05 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:27:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Message-ID: Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 12:38:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:38:54 -0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4999b2c5.06a0100a.432c.fffffd05@mx.google.com> You could try to put the full path in Public_html\myfolder Max -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 16 February 2009 10:27 To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Publish website from VS2008 to specific folder Hi all I published a website from VS2008. First time it asks for the folder on the host to publish to. This I left blank, though it should have been public_html. OK, republish - this time to that folder. But no. Now when I republish the site, the publisher wizard does not ask for the folder. How can I have the wizard "reset" so it once again will prompt for the folder? Later I manually moved the files via FTP and the site runs OK, so no other issues seem to exist. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 20 13:54:58 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:54:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: <278A1782E6FD426A82984651EAE0E1F5@danwaters> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't know yet. Any thoughts? Thanks! Dan From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 21 03:23:33 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:23:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Dan Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to investigate. I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. /gustav >>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> Dan ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a prototype to work. ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil are already there waiting. ...hth William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Waters" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a VB.Net > FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to > provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I don't > know yet. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > Dan From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sat Feb 21 16:23:42 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:23:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report viewer > of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can easily keep you > busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for further items to > investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt that a > challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code examples in > both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and code, C# is the > rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I love > it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays > of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe what Access > does > by its lonesome ...time to build your own code library ...time to learn > which web resources know what they are doing and which don't (too damn > many > of those) ...and looking for a replacement for AccessD which there isn't > even as much as dba-vb tries (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a > lot more time getting a prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you want > to > charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of 2.5 x the > same > app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there are a LOT of things > you > could run into that will take you days to figure out ...things that are > givens in Access or simply don't exist in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure out > that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in than access > if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you find yourself > doing > things you never thought possible ...and your next .net app is a lot > easier > and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client wants > ...I > find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word ...what it does, it > does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over the years so it doesn't > look > like access ...but if you can get over that first hump, you'll find that > .net and visual studio are awesome by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you ...its > not > vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a lot of time in > vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with c#.net because, > among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net code resources in c# > is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and shamil > are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and > related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net >> FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has asked me to >> provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun learning this, so I >> don't >> know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Johncliviger at aol.com Sun Feb 22 09:31:56 2009 From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:31:56 EST Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi William Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? john cliviger From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sun Feb 22 17:10:15 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:10:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:37:06 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:37:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One big difference between the express and full versions is that express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: ; " Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report > viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can > easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > further items to investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt > that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code > examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and > code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I > love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe > what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code > library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing > and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a > replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a > prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you > want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of > 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there > are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to > figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist > in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure > out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in > than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you > find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client > wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word > ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over > the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over > that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome > by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you > ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a > lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net > code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and > shamil are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic > and related programming issues.'" > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >> learning this, so I don't know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 23 14:38:45 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:38:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. The punctuation drives me nuts! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...these are in my favorites codeplex.com codeproject.com windowsdevcenter.com devx.com/dotnet/ devcity.net getfreesofts.com code.msdn.microsoft vbforums.com William -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM To: Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi William > > Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? > > john cliviger > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:39:07 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:39:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: Message-ID: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that express > doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am > bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first > apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would > be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't > used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck > with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can > pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you > don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much > sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but > filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I > started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really > isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the > other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 23 21:45:26 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:45:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) References: <13139E5F8B4D4612AEB7B179966FC225@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <3C467A7F77254909AB185B9A35FB2F89@jislaptopdev> ...true ...but when you're an independent like me you run into power user prospects who's eyes light up when you mention c# and cloud over when you mention vb :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:38 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > That looks about the same as my list. I'm not in a hurry to jump to C#. > The punctuation drives me nuts! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:10 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: > AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...these are in my favorites > > codeplex.com > codeproject.com > windowsdevcenter.com > devx.com/dotnet/ > devcity.net > getfreesofts.com > code.msdn.microsoft > vbforums.com > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:31 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi William >> >> Would you care to share the vb.net code sites you have found useful? >> >> john cliviger >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 12:57:21 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:57:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> References: <751C1FA78F0E46DFAC50548BE7E0142C@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for > >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Feb 24 16:53:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:53:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Message-ID: Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for >> further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 24 17:56:49 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:56:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something Susan and I are working on. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:54 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) Hi Charlotte What article? Post a link please, when ready. /gustav >>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 24-02-2009 19:57 >>> I do use it in VB.Net at work and on my old laptop with VS 2005 Pro. It's my only add-in for VS. But I'm intentionally working in express for this article, so I'm putting up with it for a while. I may have to break down and buy the upgrade, though, if for no other reason than that I keep forgetting I have to open VB.Net, not VS, in order to run a solution! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:39 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) ...the precise reason I finally coughed up the money for vs pro ...you know of course that the ONLY reason you can't use add-ins in express is the EULA ...one simple switch turned on from ms's public apis will enable add-ins in express ...but because MS has threatened legal action against anyone supporting add-ins in express, almost all of the add-ins check the version regardless of the switch just to be sure they don't piss off MS :( ...btw, if you think MZ-Tools is sweet in Access, you really need to use it in VS ...my #1 add-in :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: AccesstoVB.Net(cross-posted) > One big difference between the express and full versions is that > express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using > express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access > toVB.Net(cross-posted) > > ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express > versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high > quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up > for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your > first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools > they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that > talent wasn't used on Ak27. > > ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms > gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're > stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, > you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy > and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is > soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not > finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff > > ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# > ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was > available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web > sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even > though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're > like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code > really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write > and use the other. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM > To: ; " > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to > VB.Net(cross-posted) > >> Hi Dan >> >> Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither >> tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report >> viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can >> easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need >> for further items to investigate. >> >> I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt >> that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code >> examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and >> code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. >> >> It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I >> love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> >> Dan >> >> ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus >> outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe >> what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code >> library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing >> and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a >> replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb >> tries > >> (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a >> prototype to work. >> >> ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you >> want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of >> 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there >> are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to >> figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist >> in the .net world. >> >> ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure >> out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in >> than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you >> find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your >> next > >> .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. >> >> ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client >> wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word >> ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over >> the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over >> that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome >> by comparison. >> >> ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you >> ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a >> lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing >> with > >> c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net >> code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb >> >> ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and >> shamil are already there waiting. >> >> ...hth >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dan Waters" >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> ; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic >> and related programming issues.'" >> Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) >> >>> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >>> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >>> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >>> learning this, so I don't know yet. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com