Mike Mattys
mmattys at rochester.rr.com
Tue Mar 17 12:57:12 CDT 2009
I agree also - and thanks for thinking it through. I was beginning to think the only place cannonballers would see me would be at the bottom of the pool! - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game... > > Hi SCRUM team at all, > > I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike, Gustav, John and > myself. > > I'm waiting for estimations to come from Doug. He has just informed me he > has important private events today, and it may happen he will not have > time to make his estimations. > > What we can do now? I'd propose to wait for Doug's estimations to come, > and meanwhile start constructive discussion how we can get this project > developed in context when we have different .NET experience but taking > into account that most of the work to do is simple for experienced > developers(whatever modern developmen tools they use) mainly design and > almost no coding work. At least it looks so from here (as shown in some > samples I have posted already on MS Live dba-VB Group's SkyDrive). > > I'd expect that adding some simple introductory tutorials consisting > mainly from screenshots we should be able to get the team members > beginning their .NET development practice skilled enough to develop any > NorthWind .NET form or report... > > I suppose we plan develop *not* "industry strong" .NET application in this > project but a sample .NET Winform desktop application. When that done we > can go further... where? we will decide as we proceed... > > When I will get estimations from Doug I plan to post all of our > estimations here - is that OK with you? > I must say the current estimations do differ considerably therefore there > is some work to do in coordinating them. > In SCRUM four hours are usually spent for the ProductBackLog initial > planning: I'd propose to "spread" these four hours within this week > discussion IOW no still real C# development within this week but > discussing ProductBacklog and planning first SCRUM Sprint and related > issues, and starting real development next Monday - OK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues."<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:15:09 +0300 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning > Game... > >> >> Hi SCRUM team at all, >> >> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike. >> I have made mine over weekend. >> >> Waiting here for estimations from Gustav, Doug and John to come today >> then I will immediately post all of them here to start coordination of >> our estimations for everybody to get comfortable with them, and to >> present them after coordination to ProductOwner (Mark) to plan >> implementation/release... >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:21:13 +0300 >> Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game... >> >> > Hi SCRUM Team, >> > >> > Please estimate "ideal hours" to develop our first project product >> > backlog items using "SCRUM planning poker cards" with the following >> > values: >> > >> > 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ??? >> > >> > Please send your estimations to me (Shamil.Salakhetdinov AT gmail.com) >> > to make here a common worksheet with all the estimations to use them on >> > the next estimation round. >> > >> > Please do not post your estimations here on this first round to make >> > first round estimantions as independent as possible - >> > http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker/ >> > >> > Below is the list of BackLog items with some estimations I made - just >> > as examples. Three question marks estimation means that it's unclear >> > how much time it will take to make that item implemented (Here it's a >> > pivot form, which doesn't have built-in direct correspondence in .NET >> > WinForms hence it's unclear what we will do here and how much time this >> > work will take. If you know the answer - please make your more >> > definitive estimation for this item.) >> > >> > I made my below several estimations assuming we will use built-in >> > WinForms features as in samples I used previously. >> > >> > I have made my own estimation of all the items already - it looks like >> > we should fit well 100 hours (20x5). >> > >> > Please ask your questions. >> > Please make your estimations. >> > >> > You can download workbook with BackLog items here: >> > >> > https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Documents/NorthWind.NET/SCRUM%7C_Planning%7C_Game.xls?ccr=365 >> > >> > or here: >> > >> > http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb/pages/5.html >> > (http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=5&file=SCRUM_Planning_Game.xls) >> > >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > -- >> > Shamil >> > >> > P.S. >> > >> > >> > FORMS >> > ===== >> > >> > 1 Categories >> > 2 Customer Labels Dialog => 1 >> > 3 Customer Orders >> > 4 Customer Orders Subform1 => 1 >> > 5 Customer Orders Subform2 >> > 6 Customer Phone List >> > 7 Customers => 2 >> > 8 Employees => 5 >> > 9 Main Switchboard >> > 10 Orders >> > 11 Orders Subform => 1 >> > 12 Product List >> > 13 Products >> > 14 Quarterly Orders >> > 15 Quarterly Orders Subform >> > 16 Sales Analysis => ??? >> > 17 Sales Analysis Subform1 => ??? >> > 18 Sales Analysis Subform2 => ??? >> > 19 Sales by Year Dialog >> > 20 Sales Reports Dialog >> > 21 Startup >> > 22 Suppliers >> > >> > REPORTS >> > ======= >> > 1 Alphabetical List of Products => 2 >> > 2 Catalog >> > 3 Catalog Subreport >> > 4 Customer Labels >> > 5 Employee Sales by Country >> > 6 Invoice => 5 >> > 7 Products by Category >> > 8 Sales by Category >> > 9 Sales by Category Subreport >> > 10 Sales by Year >> > 11 Sales by Year Subreport >> > 12 Sales Totals by Amount >> > 13 Summary of Sales by Quarter >> > 14 Summary of Sales by Year >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-VB mailing list >> > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com >