[dba-VB] [AccessD] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLogPlanning Game...

John W Colby jwcolby at gmail.com
Wed Mar 18 15:15:00 CDT 2009


Shamil,

I receive "item seems to be missing" from the first link.  I got it off 
the second link.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi SCRUM Team members,
>
> I have got estimations from Doug and I have made combined workbook with all estimatiions, which I have got published here on MS Live dba-VB:
>
> https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Documents/NorthWind.NET/ProductBackLog?uc=1&isFromRichUpload=1
>
> Is it available for everybody? (please get MS Live ID if you still do not have it and make a request to join MS Live dba-VB) 
>
> In the above workbook you can find that there is an AVG value of all estimations and manually corrected AVG value to fit the SCRUM evaluation numbers set: 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ???
>
> The total number of ideal hours we have now is 86, which fits our original plan of 20x5 = 100 hours.
> Please check my arithmetics and correct if there are some mistakes.
>
> If everybody feels OK with that evaluation we can get it as DONE and spend rest of the time during this week to try to get source code control up&running.
>
> If you feel not OK about some positions lets discuss them here - please post your considerations.
>
> Note: in real life product planing discussion/meetings it usually takes several rounds to come to a common set of evaluations but the total number of hours spent on this meeting should be within 4 hours.
>
> Please note also that (most of) the current evaluations (whatever they will finally be) will inevitably change during actual development... 
>
> I have also put combined workbook temporarily here:
>
> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/scrum/nwbl.zip
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:47:36 +0300
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB][AccessD]  SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLogPlanning Game...
>
>   
>> Hi SCRUM team members,
>>
>> Still no e-mail with estimations from Doug.
>> I have asked him today again to make the estimation worksheet and to send it to me for me to make and to publish combined worksheet.
>>
>> Let's wait for today, and if the estimations from Doug will not come we can start discussion based on our estimations and then Doug will join us?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
>>> To: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>, "Discussion concerning
>>> Visual Basic and related programming issues."
>>> <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:23:16 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning
>>> Game...
>>>
>>>       
>>>> That sounds good to me also.
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi SCRUM team at all,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike, Gustav, John
>>>>>           
>>> and myself.
>>>       
>>>>> I'm waiting for estimations to come from Doug. He has just informed
>>>>>           
>>> me he has important private events today, and it may happen he will not
>>> have time to make his estimations.
>>>       
>>>>> What we can do now? I'd propose to wait for Doug's estimations to
>>>>>           
>>> come, and meanwhile start constructive discussion how we can get this
>>> project developed in context when we have different .NET experience but
>>> taking into account that most of the work to do is simple for
>>> experienced developers(whatever modern developmen tools they use) mainly
>>> design and almost no coding work. At least it looks so from here (as
>>> shown in some samples I have posted already on MS Live dba-VB Group's
>>> SkyDrive).
>>>       
>>>>> I'd expect that adding some simple introductory tutorials consisting
>>>>>           
>>> mainly from screenshots we should be able to get the team members
>>> beginning their .NET development practice skilled enough to develop any
>>> NorthWind .NET form or report...
>>>       
>>>>> I suppose we plan develop *not* "industry strong" .NET application
>>>>>           
>>> in this project but a sample .NET Winform desktop application. When that
>>> done we can go further... where? we will decide as we proceed...
>>>       
>>>>> When I will get estimations from Doug I plan to post all of our
>>>>>           
>>> estimations here - is that OK with you? 
>>>       
>>>>> I must say the current estimations do differ considerably therefore
>>>>>           
>>> there is some work to do in coordinating them.
>>>       
>>>>> In SCRUM four hours are usually spent for the ProductBackLog initial
>>>>>           
>>> planning: I'd propose to "spread" these four hours within this week
>>> discussion IOW no still real C# development within this week but
>>> discussing ProductBacklog and planning first SCRUM Sprint and related
>>> issues, and starting real development next Monday - OK?
>>>       
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
>>>>> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming 
>>>>> issues."<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:15:09 +0300
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning
>>>>>           
>>> Game...
>>>       
>>>>>   
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi SCRUM team at all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike.
>>>>>> I have made mine over weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Waiting here for estimations from Gustav, Doug and John to come
>>>>>>             
>>> today then I will immediately post all of them here to start
>>> coordination of our estimations for everybody to get comfortable with
>>> them, and to present them after coordination to ProductOwner (Mark) to
>>> plan implementation/release...
>>>       
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
>>>>>> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:21:13 +0300
>>>>>> Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning
>>>>>>             
>>> Game...
>>>       
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hi SCRUM Team,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please estimate "ideal hours" to develop our first project product
>>>>>>>               
>>> backlog items using "SCRUM planning poker cards" with the following
>>> values:
>>>       
>>>>>>> 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please send your estimations to me (Shamil.Salakhetdinov AT
>>>>>>>               
>>> gmail.com) to make here a common worksheet with all the estimations to
>>> use them on the next estimation round.
>>>       
>>>>>>> Please do not post your estimations here on this first round to 
>>>>>>> make first round estimantions as independent as possible - 
>>>>>>> http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Below is the list of BackLog items with some estimations I made - 
>>>>>>> just as examples. Three question marks estimation means that it's 
>>>>>>> unclear how much time it will take to make that item implemented 
>>>>>>> (Here it's a pivot form, which doesn't have built-in direct 
>>>>>>> correspondence in .NET WinForms hence it's unclear what we will do
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> here and how much time this work will take. If you know the answer
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> - please make your more definitive estimation for this item.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I made my below several estimations assuming we will use built-in
>>>>>>>               
>>> WinForms features as in samples I used previously.
>>>       
>>>>>>> I have made my own estimation of all the items already - it looks
>>>>>>>               
>>> like we should fit well 100 hours (20x5). 
>>>       
>>>>>>> Please ask your questions.
>>>>>>> Please make your estimations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can download workbook with BackLog items here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.D
>>>>>>> ocuments/NorthWind.NET/SCRUM%7C_Planning%7C_Game.xls?ccr=365
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb/pages/5.html 
>>>>>>> (http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=5&file=S
>>>>>>> CRUM_Planning_Game.xls)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FORMS
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1	 Categories	
>>>>>>> 2	 Customer Labels Dialog =>	1
>>>>>>> 3	 Customer Orders	
>>>>>>> 4	 Customer Orders Subform1 => 1
>>>>>>> 5	 Customer Orders Subform2	
>>>>>>> 6	 Customer Phone List	
>>>>>>> 7	 Customers => 2
>>>>>>> 8	 Employees => 5
>>>>>>> 9	 Main Switchboard	
>>>>>>> 10	 Orders	
>>>>>>> 11	 Orders Subform => 1
>>>>>>> 12	 Product List	
>>>>>>> 13	 Products	
>>>>>>> 14	 Quarterly Orders	
>>>>>>> 15	 Quarterly Orders Subform	
>>>>>>> 16	 Sales Analysis =>	???
>>>>>>> 17	 Sales Analysis Subform1 => ???
>>>>>>> 18	 Sales Analysis Subform2 => ???
>>>>>>> 19	 Sales by Year Dialog	
>>>>>>> 20	 Sales Reports Dialog	
>>>>>>> 21	 Startup	
>>>>>>> 22	 Suppliers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> REPORTS
>>>>>>> =======	
>>>>>>> 1	 Alphabetical List of Products	=> 2
>>>>>>> 2	 Catalog	
>>>>>>> 3	 Catalog Subreport	
>>>>>>> 4	 Customer Labels	
>>>>>>> 5	 Employee Sales by Country	
>>>>>>> 6	 Invoice	=> 5
>>>>>>> 7	 Products by Category	
>>>>>>> 8	 Sales by Category	
>>>>>>> 9	 Sales by Category Subreport	
>>>>>>> 10	 Sales by Year	
>>>>>>> 11	 Sales by Year Subreport	
>>>>>>> 12	 Sales Totals by Amount	
>>>>>>> 13	 Summary of Sales by Quarter	
>>>>>>> 14	 Summary of Sales by Year	
>>>>>>>
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