From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 09:41:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:41:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
Message-ID: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 09:56:22 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:56:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <o2j4dd71a0c1004020756qe31d1abehfe3c652a731e16e3@mail.gmail.com>

Cool!  But I already have a beard and a moustache :)

Doug

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:41 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Check this out.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
>
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
>


From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Fri Apr  2 10:20:55 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:20:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>

Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.

I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
groups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related


Interactive white board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related


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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 10:49:57 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:49:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
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I'm trying to discover how to process video streams from a usb camera.  There are a TON of programs 
and even things to allow you to automatically post files to YouTube and the like, but I want to 
actually be able to capture the stream from C# - either a single frame or a video clip.

I just don't have enough to keep me busy!  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jack and Pat wrote:
> Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.
> 
> I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
> Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
> groups.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> Interactive white board:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
> 
> Check this out.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
> 
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 12:36:42 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:36:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
Message-ID: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  2 19:43:41 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 06:53:51 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:53:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] How to get MS Word mailmerge to open a query with
	parameters against an linked SQL Table
In-Reply-To: <t2jc7fd28d01004030350kd4f14c29uc25290fcab4e4663@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2jc7fd28d01004030350kd4f14c29uc25290fcab4e4663@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h2yc7fd28d01004030453wa41a83c2t6b45f5f74bfabea2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I think that the following works perfectly as a solution for my problem
posted  below.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183>if you need this, review it
carefully, as I missed out the critical bit in the Word 2007 section where
it refers you to the Options button first.  Incidentally, in my Word 2003, I
also had to go to Options\general to turn on the DDE access.

If tech and sql are seeing this for the first time, it is because I mis
typed the email on the first pass, so  now you get a solution to a problem
you did not have !  :)

Thanks

Mark


On 3 April 2010 11:50, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> First of all, I hope you are not annoyed by my three cross posts.  This
> question involves MS Word mailmerges, MS Access and MS SQL Server.
>
> I have a SQL Server database hosting in a data centre.
> I have an Access 2003 db with ODBC inked tables to the SQL Server
> I have a query with hard coded Criteria -- eg Where CustId = 100
> I have MS Word Version 2003 with a MailMerge doc Set up and connected to
> the Query in MS Access.
> The Mailmerge works well with this setup
>
> When I change the above setup to use parmeters instead of hard coded values
> in the criteria of the query, I can successfully run the query from within
> access.  The params popup and ask for the param value, and then the query
> executes and returns records as expected.
>
> However, the MS Word mailmerge does not work, and the mailmerge doc cannot
> connect to the data source.  If I try to re-establish the data source
> connection, MS Word does not even see the query as a potential data source
> within the db.
>
> If you have any suggestions, I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thank you, as always for your time,
>
> Mark
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr  3 08:13:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:13:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4BB73F17.7050003@colbyconsulting.com>

I also use LogMeIn for some clients (at their insistence).  It has "issues" such as:

1) It costs money for the "good" version
2) It insists on retaining the focus at the wrong times
3) It insists on NOT retaining the focus at the right times

If I am in LogMeIn and I hit Alt-Tab it does NOT switch between the open applications on the remote 
computer but instead moves me back to the next app on my machine.  My brain is trained to use 
alt-tab to move from one app to another on the desktop and I am CONSTANTLY switching back to my 
local computer instead of switching to the next app on the remote computer.  It is TOTALLY annoying 
to have to (remember to and) pick up the mouse to click on the other application that I want to use 
on the remote computer.

OTOH (using dual monitors here at the office) if I click into an application back in my other 
monitor it leaves LogMeIn kinda sorta mostly in control of the main (big) monitor.  If I want to use 
any of the other applications "underneath" LogMeIn on the main monitor I have to intentionally 
minimize LogMeIn so that I can see the tool bar (and thus the other apps) on the main monitor.

Let me just say that I HATE LogMeIn.  Yes, LogMeIn works, and when a gun is held to my head I use it.

However it is NOT remote desktop.  It does not ACT LIKE remote desktop.  Remote desktop acts like 
Windows in every sense, EXACTLY like Windows in every sense, because it IS Windows in every sense, 
not some browser trying to act like Windows.  Given my druthers I will install Hamachi on the remote 
then use RD over that Hamachi VPN.  Works great!

Back to my issue, RD is not SUPPOSE TO require "the remote user to be logged in himself".  In fact 
RD (on Windows 2003) has TWO available remote sessions available and BOTH are usable remotely.  You 
are SUPPOSED to be able to boot the server, NEVER LOG IN LOCALLY and RD in from two different 
clients.  I know this because my client in CT uses one login from her home and I use the other login 
from here in NC.

So it is an issue with my server (or something), not an issue with RD specifically.

I just thought maybe someone else had seen this and figured out how to fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
> 
> I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
> When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
> server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
> switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.
> 
> If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
> IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.
> 
> IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.
> 
> Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
> first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
> and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
> as that other user is still connected).
> 
> So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
> work first time / every time, regardless of anything?
> 


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 03:05:27 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:05:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
In-Reply-To: <000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <sba3b7b6.052@cactus.dk> <000001cac784$9ecac5e0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<4BACA8AA.80106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001501cacd19$0e80d0c0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<c7fd28d01003270417y3ddb6dd2sff8da5145e782014@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr  5 03:20:10 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:20:10 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
In-Reply-To: <l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sba3b7b6.052@cactus.dk>
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	<l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cad498$d0750d50$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hello Mark --

As I noted already whenever you'll make it that would we very useful info
for many developers...

Thank you.

--Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:05 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial

Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov
<shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for
Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while
ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 09:41:04 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:41:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D887@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Never seen this before JC.  Our Remote Desktop server doesn't have this
problem at all, and I've setup several client machines that the owners
can hit remotely using RD, and haven't seen this problem.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 10:00:22 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:00:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D88B@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Whoops, forgot to mention two things that might help.

First, for remote access to servers I use Remote Administrator
http://famatech.com it's a great tool.

Second, if your server requires a login, why not just have your server
automatically login.  It's just a registry setting to get an NT based
machine to auto login.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  5 22:27:05 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:27:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  6 04:48:47 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:48:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
In-Reply-To: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6EB93EA2E6274DC0905D3CFE0975AFC7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.
aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-p
etabyte-server-lessons-learned

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  6 05:15:49 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:15:49 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <sbbb2616.023@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

(cross posted to dba-tech)

Yes, that was "old news" but still an interesting project!

Last week I studied the offerings of large drives and noticed that 2 TB drives now are priced per GB equal to or lower than 1 TB drives. This may not be so important for normal small businesses not operating in the PB storage segment - what is important, however, is that such a drive uses no more power than a 0.5 or 1 TB drive. At least in Europe power cost is a major part of the total cost for flying such drives, thus consolidating storage may lead to important power and cost savings.

It's an interesting project of yours. Are you building one unit to share via a WAN among the participants, or are you building a unit for each?

Also, how do you plan to approach this shared storage? By FTP, iSCSI, or something else? I noticed that the unit ("pod") in the article uses HTTPs which may be nice for many purposes but useless for, say, a shared Access database. And by which media if the unit is local? Are 1 GB NICs fine? The 10 GB gear I can locate seems quite expensive.

Wouldn't it be easier (=no custom software) just to build a simple server offering iSCSI like Openfiler SAN as I mentioned a week ago:

  http://www.openfiler.com/ 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 06-04-2010 11:48 >>>
Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr  6 09:23:18 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:23:18 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Links to LINQ
Message-ID: <000001cad594$b5475ef0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All,

FYI: Links to LINQ
http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/2006/10/05/Links-to-LINQ.aspx

--Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 10:29:28 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:29:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <4BBDF658.9000708@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  8 11:01:00 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:01:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <sbbe19f0.079@cactus.dk>

Hi John

By default both servers listen to port 80. So either disable IIS or let on of them listen to, say, port 8080 (your choice) and adjust clients' call accordingly.
Or you can install another NIC and use this for Apache. Or perhaps you can assign two IP adresses to your current NIC (though I have never played with that option).

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 17:29 >>>
I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 15:44:13 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:44:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored procedure
Message-ID: <4BBE401D.3050308@colbyconsulting.com>

I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 01:59:25 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:59:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 07:29:30 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:29:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a stored
 procedure
In-Reply-To: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>

I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 07:49:46 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:49:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a	stored
	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbf3ea9.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you need to use Convert in place of Cast - and use style 120:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187928.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 14:29 >>>
I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 08:09:33 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:09:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to
	a stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>, <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBF270D.24554.75EE9A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Are PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd  set up as DateTime or SmallDateTime fields.  If the 
latter, they can only store times to the nearest minute.

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 8:29, jwcolby wrote:

> I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
> order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
> back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
> is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
> stored procedure).
> 
> The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
> seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
> information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.
> 
> This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> 
> This is the SP side:
> 
> ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
> 	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
> 	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
> 	@SPName varchar(50),
> 	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
> 	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
> 	@RecsAffected int,
> 	@DteTimeStart datetime,
> 	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
> 	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
> 	@ErrorNo int output,
> 	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output
> 
> The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.
> 
> The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:
> 
> 		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
>             ([PL_DBName]
>             ,[PL_TblName]
>             ,[PL_StoredProcName]
>             ,[PL_Process]
>             ,[PL_Memo]
>             ,[PL_ErrInt]
>             ,[PL_ErrStr]
>             ,[PL_DteProc]
>             ,[PL_RecsAffected]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
> 			SELECT '''
> 			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
> 			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
> 			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
> 			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
> 			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
> 			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
> 			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
> 			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
> 			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'
> 
> 
> 
> The following is the record stored by the process:
> 
> 
> PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
> PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
> 553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
> _aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000
> 
> I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
> time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
> looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
>   IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!
> 
> I am baffled.
> 
> I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
> / end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
> process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Gustav Brock wrote:
> > Hi John
> > 
> > Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> > I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> > looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> > string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> > Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> > appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> > me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> > 
> > I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> > strips off the seconds.
> > 
> > What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> > 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 12:02:11 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:02:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>

I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 18:25:01 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:25:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
> peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
> tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
> takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
> that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
> the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
> that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
> triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
> one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
> wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
> were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
> system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
> really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 00:10:11 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:10:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>


Hi Stuart,
I don't understand your posting.
YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
And it is free.
 
Unless I misunderstood John requirements.

I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

--
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each 
> shipped to my door.  What peaked my interest is that they are an 
> actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is tough and
usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I 
> say eventually because it takes a good minute before the message pops 
> up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application that needs a 
> camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For
example, once the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at
max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read
them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" 
> software that isn't too expensive that would allow me to connect these 
> to machines around the house and record video?  Movement triggered 
> etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I 
> would like to put one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a
few seconds when it senses movement.  Then wait for no movement before
resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages 
> last night.  Some worked, all were klunky if they worked.  There are a 
> bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web system so that I 
> could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel
so I really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when
there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 08:38:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:38:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
Message-ID: <4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 11:42:47 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:42:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# - Report server databases
Message-ID: <4BC0AA87.2000006@colbyconsulting.com>

I am using SMO to get lists of databases, tables in databases etc.  I never operate on the system 
databases so I filter out the system databases using the Database.IsSystemObject property.  That 
brought into focus the ReportServer and ReportServerTempDB databases, which oddly are not inside of 
the system folder and apparently are not system objects.

Other than filtering them out by their name, is there a way to know that they are not user defined 
databases?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 10 16:36:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:36:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <sbc10b7b.021@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You could use DirectX:

  http://www.codeproject.com/KB/graphics/zMoviePlayer.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 19:02 >>>
I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R 
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486 

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Apr 10 21:28:23 2010
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:28:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
	<4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01582EDA@ddi-01.DDI.local>

YAWCAM looks great.
Another option if you want to do more programming yourself is MS
Encoder.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.ms
px

I used this a few years ago with some success. IIRC it comes with an API
and sample code.
Not sure if movement detection would be straightforward or not.

Cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2010 11:39 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: c# interface to webcam

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if
you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand
in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done
here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced
response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds.

> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr 12 05:05:20 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:05:20 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] VS2010 Launch Event
Message-ID: <002101cada27$aa0f7580$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I'm watching online some of the presentations from VS2010 Launch Event from
Moscow - it looks good so far - VS2010 have got many new useful in real life
development features - no, I'm not going to announce/discuss them here now
to let you get your own fresh view on them :) - let's discuss them later
this week...

Just wanted to share this link about real life VS2010 usage in MS:

"Dogfooding" VS 2010 and .NET 4 
http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2010/04/08/dogfooding-vs-2010-and-ne
t-4.aspx 

It's mainly about Team Foundation Server 2010 (TFS2010) deployment there at
MS, and TFS2010 is first of all a SCRUM development tool you know :)

Not sure I will use TFS2010 real soon as it is costly - just wanted to note
that SCRUM we tried here last spring "rules the agile development world" -
now at MS :) (They say they will make an MS Project 2010/Microfost Solutions
Framework 2010 add-on for TFS2010 to support more formal and much more
bureaucratic "waterfall" development approaches but that will probably
happen for VS2010 SP1 only...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 12 09:51:14 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:51:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Murcurial Version Control
Message-ID: <4BC33362.1090202@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to set this up on my machines.  I downloaded and installed TortoiseHG, then installed 
HGSCC as an integration package to Visual Studio.  I am trying to follow the instructions found at:

http://blog.dynamicprogrammer.com/2010/02/20/MercurialIntegrationWithVisualStudio.aspx

but it doesn't seem to work.  As an example the "add to source code" option is grayed out, but there 
are no "check boxes".  I was using VisualSVN which is still "integrated" into Visual Studio, but I 
am a little hesitant to uninstall that until I get Murcurial functioning since I do have several 
projects already checked in to VisualSVN.

Is there any other tutorial that you guys have found useful for Murcurial and HGSCC?  Any ideas on 
how to get going with this.  I need to either get Murcurial going or pay the per seat for VisualSVN.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 09:31:21 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 09:54:32 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:54:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <sbc4a1f0.060@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could it be those image files found here:

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\VS2008ImageLibrary\1033\VS2008ImageLibrary.zip

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-04-2010 16:31 >>>
Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 10:04:06 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:04:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <676881D432A6461D860EFCB774A1BA4E@danwaters>

MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
up, so sign up soon!

Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
then they want you there.

http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/

Have Fun!
Dan

PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 13 10:28:31 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:28:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 10:39:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:39:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4BC49033.2000903@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow, that sounds cool!  Thanks for the tip.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
> 
> Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
> projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
> has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
> images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 11:05:35 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:05:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:53:44 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:53:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <t2wb874372a1004130953o7ca69c6ar867d9a9b64ac8d57@mail.gmail.com>

I've gone to some of these events in the past, if you have an evaluation
copy it will say so on the the product cover, I've picked up non-evaluation
versions of sql server 2005, Visual Studio 2005/2008 and even Windows 2003
R2, just to name a few.

--
Francisco

-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
> but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
> Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
> were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At
> one
> (paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
> development tools, raffled off by ticket number.
>
> Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
> seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
> now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
> subscription.  Yikes!
>
> In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real
> bargain
> as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.
>
> Doug Steele
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> > over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> > expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> > Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
> are
> > the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> > up, so sign up soon!
> >
> > Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
> to
> > request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
> they
> > don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
> that
> > invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
> anyway
> > then they want you there.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/
> >
> > Have Fun!
> > Dan
> >
> > PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> > world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 12:46:58 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:46:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr 13 13:58:40 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:58:40 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
	<DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 15:25:37 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:25:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk><DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
	<000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <27CCBD4152FF454F8DA1D41A46131E4D@danwaters>

Hi Shamil,

I've found the price for a full version of VS2010 (w/o MSDN) to be $799
retail, discounted to $705
(http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).  

And the upgrade version retail price of $549 (w/o MSDN) retail, discounted
to $480 (http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).

Looking at the Programmer's Paradise website, I think you can get the same
products you listed for quite a bit less money.  There are numerous options
and I'm not familiar with MSDN.

Unfortunately, the Minneapolis launch event isn't until May 27th (2nd to
last), so I won't be able to let anyone know what 'freebies' they do hand
out till then!

At previous launch events they wait until the afternoon until they passed
out the software.  But they told everyone what time that was when we first
got there.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:59 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 09:44:57 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:44:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
Message-ID: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Apr 14 14:25:21 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:25:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 14:54:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:54:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <21F4F7223F0F42C2A5F74862DDD91ADA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

This might be interesting in this thread:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1446&tag=nl.e101

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:25 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 14 16:44:54 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:44:54 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 17:32:35 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:32:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <35EB5F0549A442A1AB2582B152139AA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I understand anyone can use a iPad: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40

I end up throwing Apache on a lot of computers... it is just so easy run and
use and so many apps use it by default.
 
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:45 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on
an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder
tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further
work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server
such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to
make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email
and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets
one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some
sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the
boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and
php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Apr 15 03:58:16 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:58:16 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Microsoft embracing REST,
	ATOM and JSON by Open Data Protocol (OData)
Message-ID: <003d01cadc79$cae613f0$6a01a8c0@nant>


Hi All,

I have just recently got the following site URL - is it well known there/was
mentioned already here?:

Open Data Protocol FAQ
http://www.odata.org/faq


Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:06:33 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:06:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
Message-ID: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and really love it.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr 15 09:20:38 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:20:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>

I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.

There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
normal property in a class with just one line of code!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
really love it.

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:42:15 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
	<26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4BC725C7.6030001@colbyconsulting.com>

 >>In particular I like that you can write a normal property in a class with just one line of code!

I think that is in 2008.  They are called something like "automatic properties" and create a hidden 
variable to contain the data passed in and out.  At least in 2008 they are only really useful if you 
do not need to do computations in the property code since you cannot get at the property stubs in 
the normal fashion.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
> of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
> going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.
> 
> There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
> normal property in a class with just one line of code!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
> To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
> 
> Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
> downloading now) but I 
> always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.
> 
> Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
> really love it.
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 16 08:57:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:57:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] This is why i love C#
Message-ID: <4BC86CE7.8040402@colbyconsulting.com>

I use virtual machines to do some processing.  When not using the VMs I turn off the entire physical 
machine that hosts the VMs.  I have code that needs to move files to / from the VMs, but I need to 
check that they exist before I try to do so.

The .Net framework has an entire namespace for the Net and it specifically has a PING class which 
allows me to ping an IP to see if it responds.  Voila, instant "is the machine turned on" code.


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 04:02:12 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:02:12 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
Message-ID: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 06:28:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:28:37 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx 
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/ 

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 10:03:15 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <48EA15EE047E4544B4B436D12D45456D@BPCS>

Shamil,

If I can do it you surely will not have any problems.  I have 2 applications 
working on my TouchPro 2 Smartphone.  One I started in VS 2003, moved to 
2005 and now have working in 2008. It is my personal PIM, a calendar, 
Tech-tips , and a list of books, authors I have read. ( I got tired of 
buying books I had already read. )

Last year I created a 2nd app (Just for Fun) that lists all the cars and 
motorcycles I have owned. (34 so far that I remember.)  It contains 2 
pictures for each car, and the data including photo's are stored in Windows 
Mobile SQL or SQLCE or what ever MS calls it now.

Both apps sync through IIS to my Server and SQLServer 2008. The PIM has been 
working fine for five or six years through various versions of VS and BPCars 
is still being worked on but has worked for 6 months or so.

I don't know that it matters, but the PIM for my PC's is in VB6 and BPCars 
for the PC is in VB.NET 2008

I doubt that I could help you very much as your programming skill are about 
100 times better than mine, but your question was "How well does it work?" 
and for simple database frontend backend it works great. There are lots of 
samples etc using pinvoke and other stuff I don't understand on the net, 
should you desire to directly connect to some of the phone features. 
Microsoft.public.dotnet.compactframework has some very talented people on 
there that share their expertise.

HTH

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:28 AM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:24:45 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:24:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<j2k8786a4c01004171009t176630dbobe65687f0c98ff3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2l8786a4c01004171014r7f5df36cm453b3a43cfa4f90f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <z2j8786a4c01004171024rc2e3c224jf88df99a76e91c35@mail.gmail.com>

Shamil, as already mentioned, you shouldn't have any problems. I have an app
that was originally developed using  evb/cdb and converted to .Net/SDF
(SQLCE).

We developed in VS2003,5 & 8 for WM2003, WM5 and WM6.

The only issues we ever have are when MS deprecates something and we have to
scramble to redesign something that currently works.



Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 2:03 AM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:29:19 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 15:01:06 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:01:06 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at 

Acer neoTouch S200 
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 16:24:04 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:24:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant><i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <7AA0E2360B0642598864AAA8DC1A554C@BPCS>

Shamil,

I don't know from experience but the HTC HD2 has a 4.3 inch capacitive touch 
screen which I am told is better then the resistive one of the newTouch and 
is also larger.  Rumor has it that the HD2 will not be upgradable to Windows 
Mobile 7 but other rumors say it will. There is apparently a third party 
upgrade announced by XDA if Win Mobile 7 is important to you.

 You might want to compare specs on the neotouch and HD2 before jumping in.

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 PM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 20:52:26 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:52:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <g2g8786a4c01004171852l661bf917u328d203aac2809e3@mail.gmail.com>

I'd say that it all depends on what your target customer base will be. We
use HP iPaqs. You can buy older used units on eBay pretty cheap.

Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 1:02 PM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?


Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010...

Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ag...


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 19 15:04:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>

I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 19 16:10:29 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:10:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <sbcce2f3.090@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I use ClickOnce at a client and it works great. Look up the thread ClickOnce from 2008-10-10.

You are right, it asks only one question - that is if you (the user) want to install this software (update). That's the one click. Yes or No.
That said, at the first install more clicks may be requested if the local .Net isn't up to the level you (the developer) has programmed for.

It's installed in the user's private folder and the system folders and creates a shortcut to launch the app. Nothing to adjust, nothing to fail.
What it does, however, is to install a shortcut which first checks for a new version, then launch the app.

The easy method is to install IIS somewhere with a Publish folder that the shortcut checks, and for which initially a URL is forwarded to the potential users.
Whenever a new version of the app is ready, you ask VS to publish it. Then VS packs the app and its dependencies and rewrite the publish folder - most likely via FTP but that's your choice.
The next time the user fires the shortcut and click Yes, your update will be installed. It has never failed for me.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-04-2010 22:04 >>>
I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 16:10:34 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:10:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
In-Reply-To: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <y2k8786a4c01004191410k11edd57pd47f3100b968c050@mail.gmail.com>

OnceClick was the older version in, I believe VS2003, that was
superseded by ClickOnce.

By itself, ClickOnce is very Basic. But you can do so much with it.

It installs the app to the users profile, so it doesn't require admin
rights (doesn't write to C:\program files\).

I've got pretty good at making custom bootstrappers for ClickOnce, let
me know if you need help with those.

I didn't like the situation when releasing an update, if the user
selects "no" to the prompt,
he does not get prompted again the next time he runs the app, so we
now force our updates on our users.

The other thing I didn't like was that it only checks for your chosen
prerequisites the first time, so if you
checked off a prereq for some component and it later gets uninstalled,
it doesnt automatically reload it.

The Shortcut issue has been resolved too with VS2008 SP1. You can now
create a shortcut to your app.

I ended up making a "launcher" app which checks for any missing
prerequisites at install then checks for
various other things and automatically downloads updates on the fly.
If everything is fine, it simply starts our
main application.

Doing it this way, via a ClickOnce-Launcher, you can create a seperate
msi for your main app
which can be installed where ever you want.

D





On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements. ?The
> OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on using this? ?How does it work? ?Can it ask the user where to
> install? ?Stuff like that.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
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>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 18:32:56 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:32:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Hyper-V vs VMWare
Message-ID: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 21:21:06 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:21:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] For the rest of us
Message-ID: <4BD3A712.4080006@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.coolcomputing.com/article.php?sid=3861
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267

24 cores for $2K plus memory.

This might make my SQL Server a tad faster eh?

Not that I have $2K laying around.

Throw in 64 gigs of ram for around $3K and a Raid 0 Array of SSds to house my read-only databases 
(another $2K or so) and for the neighborhood of $8K I could get some serious computing done.

Not that I have 8K laying around.

This is some pretty serious hardware though, and not costing 50K either.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 06:07:39 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:07:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] Hyper-V vs VMWare
In-Reply-To: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <u2ic7fd28d01004250407rdcd66e10q539f8411fa7f9858@mail.gmail.com>

Hello john,

Using HyperV for a year now and not a single complaint,

I have to say that trying to run Win7 and run VS2008 does not get a bare
metal experience, but it is absolutely for running servers, and I even use
it running Win7 and with PhotoShop.

Never managed to get VM ware installed or running, but they only say good
things about it

HTH

Mark



On 25 April 2010 00:32, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 25 21:59:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:59:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Who needs a Cray
Message-ID: <4BD50193.9090603@colbyconsulting.com>

48 cores, 128 gigs ram...

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TYAN-AMD-OPTERON-6174-G34-48-CORE-MAGNY-COURS-/270529337772


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 28 08:39:38 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:39:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:38:27 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:38:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>

Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.

Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
possibility that your IP will change from time to time.

You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.

Doug

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:39 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:40:13 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:40:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6C3CFD17FC14416DA83DEEA60715F854@Server>


I have been doing this  for my work admin site for years.  I use abbyss web
server (free + paid option) with filezilla.

Never had any problems.  I use access to parse the info of the cretins who
try to break in. Some of their attempts at guessing the password is
laughable.  They get logged and their ips rejected  for a pre-determined
period after x attempts.

No problems. Not heavy traffic.  Server is bog standard low grade cheap PC
(about 5 years old now) with 2 cards, one for the network, one for the
router.  Contents get rebuild overnight for freshness the next day.

Easy, cheap and does the job.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 29 10:47:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:47:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no need to fit into some standard package.

Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power consumption.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From ha at phulse.com  Thu Apr 29 12:19:15 2010
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:19:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
References: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <l2u4439d9ec1004291019j5ab5ff76lf516d46d1243dea5@mail.gmail.com>

>From a pure technical point of view, you only have 3 main problems to be
concerned about when running a site from home.

1. A typical internet connection for personal or small business use has poor
upload bandwidth and a higher latency. Run a speed test and you'll probably
see that your download speeds are up in the megabits, while upload is a
paltry 128-256 kbps. If this is just for small sites, that is fine. Just
don't expect it to handle high traffic loads and bear in mind that this will
start to eat into the bandwidth for your own internet usage.

2. Your internet connection probably changes IP addresses periodically. This
isn't a huge issue. Using a service like dnsomatic.com, you could configure
your router (if it supports that) or use dhclient or similar daemon/client
application to update your DNS when your IP address changes. dnsomatic works
with dyndns and zoneedit and more, so that's quite neat. Typically your ip
adderss only changes once every few months and you may have a few minutes or
less of downtime while the new IP address propogates.

3. Security. I think the first line of defense and most important thing to
do is to put your server in a walled garden. So, put the server behind it's
own router on a separate network. This way, if you do suffer a security
breach, those hackers don't have access to the rest of the machines in your
LAN. Secondly, it can be a hassle having to maintain yet another server
against the nasty background internet traffic on your own, but this need not
be a big issue, if you just make sure to configure things right the first
time around. I assume you will probably use Windows, but in my case, I have
an Ubuntu server deployed even without a hardware firewall in front of it. I
keep software patches up-to-date and have a daemon (fail2ban) that routinely
checks various logs for repeated brute force logins and other nasty things
and bans that IP address for an hour. This has been pretty effective at
stopping hackers, script kiddies and scripted attacks from mindless zombies.
Make sure you restrict any services that don't need to be exposed to only
your IP address. Use a VPN if you want a way of accessing it from outside
your green zone.

All in all, I've been doing this myself and it's definitely doable - not
insane. But make sure you have a plan B, in case you suddenly find yourself
in a situation where you quickly need to move it somewhere with a fatter
pipe.


Hans-Christian
Software Developer, UK

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On 29 April 2010 16:47, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no
> need to fit into some standard package.
>
> Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several
> including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power
> consumption.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:13:40 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:13:40 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:17:18 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:17:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA056E.24476.524C961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do-able but insane. 

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart
On 28 Apr 2010 at 9:39, jwcolby wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
> 
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
> 
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
> issue.
> 
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
> make sense.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Apr 29 17:18:06 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:18:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2ED9847F9482473AB0FCB38566CC6E0C@murphy3234aaf1>

My point exactly. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:14 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against
(roughly in order of
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to
keep them fully patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website
hits, but from the continuous probes you will be getting on your web and
mail servers).  At the moment, your mail provider is probably blocking a lot
of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are runnning your own mail
server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you
may think it negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood
:-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com
:-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed
to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running
a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 09:41:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:41:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
Message-ID: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 09:56:22 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:56:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <o2j4dd71a0c1004020756qe31d1abehfe3c652a731e16e3@mail.gmail.com>

Cool!  But I already have a beard and a moustache :)

Doug

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:41 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Check this out.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
>
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
>


From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Fri Apr  2 10:20:55 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:20:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>

Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.

I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
groups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related


Interactive white board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 10:49:57 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:49:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4BB61225.2090208@colbyconsulting.com>

I'm trying to discover how to process video streams from a usb camera.  There are a TON of programs 
and even things to allow you to automatically post files to YouTube and the like, but I want to 
actually be able to capture the stream from C# - either a single frame or a video clip.

I just don't have enough to keep me busy!  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jack and Pat wrote:
> Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.
> 
> I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
> Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
> groups.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> Interactive white board:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
> 
> Check this out.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
> 
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 12:36:42 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:36:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
Message-ID: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  2 19:43:41 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
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We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 06:53:51 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:53:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] How to get MS Word mailmerge to open a query with
	parameters against an linked SQL Table
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Hello All,

I think that the following works perfectly as a solution for my problem
posted  below.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183>if you need this, review it
carefully, as I missed out the critical bit in the Word 2007 section where
it refers you to the Options button first.  Incidentally, in my Word 2003, I
also had to go to Options\general to turn on the DDE access.

If tech and sql are seeing this for the first time, it is because I mis
typed the email on the first pass, so  now you get a solution to a problem
you did not have !  :)

Thanks

Mark


On 3 April 2010 11:50, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> First of all, I hope you are not annoyed by my three cross posts.  This
> question involves MS Word mailmerges, MS Access and MS SQL Server.
>
> I have a SQL Server database hosting in a data centre.
> I have an Access 2003 db with ODBC inked tables to the SQL Server
> I have a query with hard coded Criteria -- eg Where CustId = 100
> I have MS Word Version 2003 with a MailMerge doc Set up and connected to
> the Query in MS Access.
> The Mailmerge works well with this setup
>
> When I change the above setup to use parmeters instead of hard coded values
> in the criteria of the query, I can successfully run the query from within
> access.  The params popup and ask for the param value, and then the query
> executes and returns records as expected.
>
> However, the MS Word mailmerge does not work, and the mailmerge doc cannot
> connect to the data source.  If I try to re-establish the data source
> connection, MS Word does not even see the query as a potential data source
> within the db.
>
> If you have any suggestions, I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thank you, as always for your time,
>
> Mark
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr  3 08:13:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:13:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
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I also use LogMeIn for some clients (at their insistence).  It has "issues" such as:

1) It costs money for the "good" version
2) It insists on retaining the focus at the wrong times
3) It insists on NOT retaining the focus at the right times

If I am in LogMeIn and I hit Alt-Tab it does NOT switch between the open applications on the remote 
computer but instead moves me back to the next app on my machine.  My brain is trained to use 
alt-tab to move from one app to another on the desktop and I am CONSTANTLY switching back to my 
local computer instead of switching to the next app on the remote computer.  It is TOTALLY annoying 
to have to (remember to and) pick up the mouse to click on the other application that I want to use 
on the remote computer.

OTOH (using dual monitors here at the office) if I click into an application back in my other 
monitor it leaves LogMeIn kinda sorta mostly in control of the main (big) monitor.  If I want to use 
any of the other applications "underneath" LogMeIn on the main monitor I have to intentionally 
minimize LogMeIn so that I can see the tool bar (and thus the other apps) on the main monitor.

Let me just say that I HATE LogMeIn.  Yes, LogMeIn works, and when a gun is held to my head I use it.

However it is NOT remote desktop.  It does not ACT LIKE remote desktop.  Remote desktop acts like 
Windows in every sense, EXACTLY like Windows in every sense, because it IS Windows in every sense, 
not some browser trying to act like Windows.  Given my druthers I will install Hamachi on the remote 
then use RD over that Hamachi VPN.  Works great!

Back to my issue, RD is not SUPPOSE TO require "the remote user to be logged in himself".  In fact 
RD (on Windows 2003) has TWO available remote sessions available and BOTH are usable remotely.  You 
are SUPPOSED to be able to boot the server, NEVER LOG IN LOCALLY and RD in from two different 
clients.  I know this because my client in CT uses one login from her home and I use the other login 
from here in NC.

So it is an issue with my server (or something), not an issue with RD specifically.

I just thought maybe someone else had seen this and figured out how to fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
> 
> I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
> When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
> server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
> switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.
> 
> If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
> IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.
> 
> IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.
> 
> Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
> first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
> and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
> as that other user is still connected).
> 
> So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
> work first time / every time, regardless of anything?
> 


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 03:05:27 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:05:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
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Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr  5 03:20:10 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:20:10 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
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Hello Mark --

As I noted already whenever you'll make it that would we very useful info
for many developers...

Thank you.

--Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:05 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial

Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov
<shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for
Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while
ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 09:41:04 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:41:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
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Never seen this before JC.  Our Remote Desktop server doesn't have this
problem at all, and I've setup several client machines that the owners
can hit remotely using RD, and haven't seen this problem.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 10:00:22 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:00:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D88B@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Whoops, forgot to mention two things that might help.

First, for remote access to servers I use Remote Administrator
http://famatech.com it's a great tool.

Second, if your server requires a login, why not just have your server
automatically login.  It's just a registry setting to get an NT based
machine to auto login.

Drew

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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
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Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  5 22:27:05 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:27:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  6 04:48:47 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:48:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
In-Reply-To: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6EB93EA2E6274DC0905D3CFE0975AFC7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.
aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


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Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-p
etabyte-server-lessons-learned

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  6 05:15:49 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:15:49 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <sbbb2616.023@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

(cross posted to dba-tech)

Yes, that was "old news" but still an interesting project!

Last week I studied the offerings of large drives and noticed that 2 TB drives now are priced per GB equal to or lower than 1 TB drives. This may not be so important for normal small businesses not operating in the PB storage segment - what is important, however, is that such a drive uses no more power than a 0.5 or 1 TB drive. At least in Europe power cost is a major part of the total cost for flying such drives, thus consolidating storage may lead to important power and cost savings.

It's an interesting project of yours. Are you building one unit to share via a WAN among the participants, or are you building a unit for each?

Also, how do you plan to approach this shared storage? By FTP, iSCSI, or something else? I noticed that the unit ("pod") in the article uses HTTPs which may be nice for many purposes but useless for, say, a shared Access database. And by which media if the unit is local? Are 1 GB NICs fine? The 10 GB gear I can locate seems quite expensive.

Wouldn't it be easier (=no custom software) just to build a simple server offering iSCSI like Openfiler SAN as I mentioned a week ago:

  http://www.openfiler.com/ 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 06-04-2010 11:48 >>>
Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr  6 09:23:18 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:23:18 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Links to LINQ
Message-ID: <000001cad594$b5475ef0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All,

FYI: Links to LINQ
http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/2006/10/05/Links-to-LINQ.aspx

--Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 10:29:28 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:29:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <4BBDF658.9000708@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  8 11:01:00 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:01:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <sbbe19f0.079@cactus.dk>

Hi John

By default both servers listen to port 80. So either disable IIS or let on of them listen to, say, port 8080 (your choice) and adjust clients' call accordingly.
Or you can install another NIC and use this for Apache. Or perhaps you can assign two IP adresses to your current NIC (though I have never played with that option).

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 17:29 >>>
I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 15:44:13 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:44:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored procedure
Message-ID: <4BBE401D.3050308@colbyconsulting.com>

I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 01:59:25 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:59:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 07:29:30 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:29:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a stored
 procedure
In-Reply-To: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>

I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 07:49:46 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:49:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a	stored
	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbf3ea9.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you need to use Convert in place of Cast - and use style 120:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187928.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 14:29 >>>
I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 08:09:33 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:09:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to
	a stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>, <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBF270D.24554.75EE9A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Are PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd  set up as DateTime or SmallDateTime fields.  If the 
latter, they can only store times to the nearest minute.

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 8:29, jwcolby wrote:

> I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
> order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
> back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
> is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
> stored procedure).
> 
> The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
> seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
> information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.
> 
> This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> 
> This is the SP side:
> 
> ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
> 	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
> 	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
> 	@SPName varchar(50),
> 	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
> 	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
> 	@RecsAffected int,
> 	@DteTimeStart datetime,
> 	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
> 	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
> 	@ErrorNo int output,
> 	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output
> 
> The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.
> 
> The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:
> 
> 		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
>             ([PL_DBName]
>             ,[PL_TblName]
>             ,[PL_StoredProcName]
>             ,[PL_Process]
>             ,[PL_Memo]
>             ,[PL_ErrInt]
>             ,[PL_ErrStr]
>             ,[PL_DteProc]
>             ,[PL_RecsAffected]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
> 			SELECT '''
> 			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
> 			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
> 			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
> 			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
> 			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
> 			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
> 			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
> 			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
> 			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'
> 
> 
> 
> The following is the record stored by the process:
> 
> 
> PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
> PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
> 553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
> _aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000
> 
> I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
> time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
> looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
>   IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!
> 
> I am baffled.
> 
> I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
> / end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
> process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Gustav Brock wrote:
> > Hi John
> > 
> > Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> > I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> > looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> > string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> > Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> > appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> > me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> > 
> > I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> > strips off the seconds.
> > 
> > What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> > 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 12:02:11 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:02:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>

I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 18:25:01 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:25:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
> peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
> tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
> takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
> that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
> the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
> that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
> triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
> one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
> wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
> were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
> system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
> really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 00:10:11 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:10:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>


Hi Stuart,
I don't understand your posting.
YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
And it is free.
 
Unless I misunderstood John requirements.

I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

--
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each 
> shipped to my door.  What peaked my interest is that they are an 
> actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is tough and
usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I 
> say eventually because it takes a good minute before the message pops 
> up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application that needs a 
> camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For
example, once the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at
max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read
them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" 
> software that isn't too expensive that would allow me to connect these 
> to machines around the house and record video?  Movement triggered 
> etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I 
> would like to put one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a
few seconds when it senses movement.  Then wait for no movement before
resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages 
> last night.  Some worked, all were klunky if they worked.  There are a 
> bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web system so that I 
> could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel
so I really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when
there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 08:38:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:38:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
Message-ID: <4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 11:42:47 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:42:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# - Report server databases
Message-ID: <4BC0AA87.2000006@colbyconsulting.com>

I am using SMO to get lists of databases, tables in databases etc.  I never operate on the system 
databases so I filter out the system databases using the Database.IsSystemObject property.  That 
brought into focus the ReportServer and ReportServerTempDB databases, which oddly are not inside of 
the system folder and apparently are not system objects.

Other than filtering them out by their name, is there a way to know that they are not user defined 
databases?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 10 16:36:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:36:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <sbc10b7b.021@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You could use DirectX:

  http://www.codeproject.com/KB/graphics/zMoviePlayer.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 19:02 >>>
I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R 
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486 

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Apr 10 21:28:23 2010
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:28:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
	<4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01582EDA@ddi-01.DDI.local>

YAWCAM looks great.
Another option if you want to do more programming yourself is MS
Encoder.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.ms
px

I used this a few years ago with some success. IIRC it comes with an API
and sample code.
Not sure if movement detection would be straightforward or not.

Cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2010 11:39 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: c# interface to webcam

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if
you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand
in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done
here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced
response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds.

> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr 12 05:05:20 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:05:20 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] VS2010 Launch Event
Message-ID: <002101cada27$aa0f7580$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I'm watching online some of the presentations from VS2010 Launch Event from
Moscow - it looks good so far - VS2010 have got many new useful in real life
development features - no, I'm not going to announce/discuss them here now
to let you get your own fresh view on them :) - let's discuss them later
this week...

Just wanted to share this link about real life VS2010 usage in MS:

"Dogfooding" VS 2010 and .NET 4 
http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2010/04/08/dogfooding-vs-2010-and-ne
t-4.aspx 

It's mainly about Team Foundation Server 2010 (TFS2010) deployment there at
MS, and TFS2010 is first of all a SCRUM development tool you know :)

Not sure I will use TFS2010 real soon as it is costly - just wanted to note
that SCRUM we tried here last spring "rules the agile development world" -
now at MS :) (They say they will make an MS Project 2010/Microfost Solutions
Framework 2010 add-on for TFS2010 to support more formal and much more
bureaucratic "waterfall" development approaches but that will probably
happen for VS2010 SP1 only...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 12 09:51:14 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:51:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Murcurial Version Control
Message-ID: <4BC33362.1090202@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to set this up on my machines.  I downloaded and installed TortoiseHG, then installed 
HGSCC as an integration package to Visual Studio.  I am trying to follow the instructions found at:

http://blog.dynamicprogrammer.com/2010/02/20/MercurialIntegrationWithVisualStudio.aspx

but it doesn't seem to work.  As an example the "add to source code" option is grayed out, but there 
are no "check boxes".  I was using VisualSVN which is still "integrated" into Visual Studio, but I 
am a little hesitant to uninstall that until I get Murcurial functioning since I do have several 
projects already checked in to VisualSVN.

Is there any other tutorial that you guys have found useful for Murcurial and HGSCC?  Any ideas on 
how to get going with this.  I need to either get Murcurial going or pay the per seat for VisualSVN.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 09:31:21 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 09:54:32 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:54:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <sbc4a1f0.060@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could it be those image files found here:

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\VS2008ImageLibrary\1033\VS2008ImageLibrary.zip

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-04-2010 16:31 >>>
Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 10:04:06 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:04:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <676881D432A6461D860EFCB774A1BA4E@danwaters>

MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
up, so sign up soon!

Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
then they want you there.

http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/

Have Fun!
Dan

PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 13 10:28:31 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:28:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 10:39:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:39:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4BC49033.2000903@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow, that sounds cool!  Thanks for the tip.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
> 
> Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
> projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
> has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
> images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 11:05:35 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:05:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:53:44 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:53:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <t2wb874372a1004130953o7ca69c6ar867d9a9b64ac8d57@mail.gmail.com>

I've gone to some of these events in the past, if you have an evaluation
copy it will say so on the the product cover, I've picked up non-evaluation
versions of sql server 2005, Visual Studio 2005/2008 and even Windows 2003
R2, just to name a few.

--
Francisco

-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
> but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
> Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
> were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At
> one
> (paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
> development tools, raffled off by ticket number.
>
> Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
> seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
> now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
> subscription.  Yikes!
>
> In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real
> bargain
> as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.
>
> Doug Steele
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> > over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> > expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> > Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
> are
> > the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> > up, so sign up soon!
> >
> > Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
> to
> > request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
> they
> > don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
> that
> > invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
> anyway
> > then they want you there.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/
> >
> > Have Fun!
> > Dan
> >
> > PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> > world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 12:46:58 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:46:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr 13 13:58:40 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:58:40 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
	<DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 15:25:37 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:25:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk><DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
	<000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <27CCBD4152FF454F8DA1D41A46131E4D@danwaters>

Hi Shamil,

I've found the price for a full version of VS2010 (w/o MSDN) to be $799
retail, discounted to $705
(http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).  

And the upgrade version retail price of $549 (w/o MSDN) retail, discounted
to $480 (http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).

Looking at the Programmer's Paradise website, I think you can get the same
products you listed for quite a bit less money.  There are numerous options
and I'm not familiar with MSDN.

Unfortunately, the Minneapolis launch event isn't until May 27th (2nd to
last), so I won't be able to let anyone know what 'freebies' they do hand
out till then!

At previous launch events they wait until the afternoon until they passed
out the software.  But they told everyone what time that was when we first
got there.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:59 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 09:44:57 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:44:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
Message-ID: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Apr 14 14:25:21 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:25:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 14:54:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:54:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <21F4F7223F0F42C2A5F74862DDD91ADA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

This might be interesting in this thread:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1446&tag=nl.e101

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:25 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 14 16:44:54 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:44:54 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 17:32:35 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:32:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <35EB5F0549A442A1AB2582B152139AA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I understand anyone can use a iPad: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40

I end up throwing Apache on a lot of computers... it is just so easy run and
use and so many apps use it by default.
 
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:45 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on
an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder
tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further
work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server
such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to
make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email
and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets
one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some
sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the
boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and
php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Apr 15 03:58:16 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:58:16 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Microsoft embracing REST,
	ATOM and JSON by Open Data Protocol (OData)
Message-ID: <003d01cadc79$cae613f0$6a01a8c0@nant>


Hi All,

I have just recently got the following site URL - is it well known there/was
mentioned already here?:

Open Data Protocol FAQ
http://www.odata.org/faq


Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:06:33 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:06:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
Message-ID: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and really love it.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr 15 09:20:38 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:20:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>

I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.

There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
normal property in a class with just one line of code!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
really love it.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:42:15 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
	<26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4BC725C7.6030001@colbyconsulting.com>

 >>In particular I like that you can write a normal property in a class with just one line of code!

I think that is in 2008.  They are called something like "automatic properties" and create a hidden 
variable to contain the data passed in and out.  At least in 2008 they are only really useful if you 
do not need to do computations in the property code since you cannot get at the property stubs in 
the normal fashion.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
> of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
> going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.
> 
> There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
> normal property in a class with just one line of code!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
> To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
> 
> Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
> downloading now) but I 
> always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.
> 
> Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
> really love it.
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 16 08:57:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:57:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] This is why i love C#
Message-ID: <4BC86CE7.8040402@colbyconsulting.com>

I use virtual machines to do some processing.  When not using the VMs I turn off the entire physical 
machine that hosts the VMs.  I have code that needs to move files to / from the VMs, but I need to 
check that they exist before I try to do so.

The .Net framework has an entire namespace for the Net and it specifically has a PING class which 
allows me to ping an IP to see if it responds.  Voila, instant "is the machine turned on" code.


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 04:02:12 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:02:12 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
Message-ID: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 06:28:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:28:37 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx 
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/ 

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 10:03:15 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <48EA15EE047E4544B4B436D12D45456D@BPCS>

Shamil,

If I can do it you surely will not have any problems.  I have 2 applications 
working on my TouchPro 2 Smartphone.  One I started in VS 2003, moved to 
2005 and now have working in 2008. It is my personal PIM, a calendar, 
Tech-tips , and a list of books, authors I have read. ( I got tired of 
buying books I had already read. )

Last year I created a 2nd app (Just for Fun) that lists all the cars and 
motorcycles I have owned. (34 so far that I remember.)  It contains 2 
pictures for each car, and the data including photo's are stored in Windows 
Mobile SQL or SQLCE or what ever MS calls it now.

Both apps sync through IIS to my Server and SQLServer 2008. The PIM has been 
working fine for five or six years through various versions of VS and BPCars 
is still being worked on but has worked for 6 months or so.

I don't know that it matters, but the PIM for my PC's is in VB6 and BPCars 
for the PC is in VB.NET 2008

I doubt that I could help you very much as your programming skill are about 
100 times better than mine, but your question was "How well does it work?" 
and for simple database frontend backend it works great. There are lots of 
samples etc using pinvoke and other stuff I don't understand on the net, 
should you desire to directly connect to some of the phone features. 
Microsoft.public.dotnet.compactframework has some very talented people on 
there that share their expertise.

HTH

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:28 AM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:24:45 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:24:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<j2k8786a4c01004171009t176630dbobe65687f0c98ff3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2l8786a4c01004171014r7f5df36cm453b3a43cfa4f90f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <z2j8786a4c01004171024rc2e3c224jf88df99a76e91c35@mail.gmail.com>

Shamil, as already mentioned, you shouldn't have any problems. I have an app
that was originally developed using  evb/cdb and converted to .Net/SDF
(SQLCE).

We developed in VS2003,5 & 8 for WM2003, WM5 and WM6.

The only issues we ever have are when MS deprecates something and we have to
scramble to redesign something that currently works.



Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 2:03 AM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:29:19 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 15:01:06 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:01:06 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at 

Acer neoTouch S200 
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 16:24:04 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:24:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant><i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <7AA0E2360B0642598864AAA8DC1A554C@BPCS>

Shamil,

I don't know from experience but the HTC HD2 has a 4.3 inch capacitive touch 
screen which I am told is better then the resistive one of the newTouch and 
is also larger.  Rumor has it that the HD2 will not be upgradable to Windows 
Mobile 7 but other rumors say it will. There is apparently a third party 
upgrade announced by XDA if Win Mobile 7 is important to you.

 You might want to compare specs on the neotouch and HD2 before jumping in.

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 PM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 20:52:26 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:52:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <g2g8786a4c01004171852l661bf917u328d203aac2809e3@mail.gmail.com>

I'd say that it all depends on what your target customer base will be. We
use HP iPaqs. You can buy older used units on eBay pretty cheap.

Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 1:02 PM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?


Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010...

Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ag...


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 19 15:04:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>

I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 19 16:10:29 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:10:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <sbcce2f3.090@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I use ClickOnce at a client and it works great. Look up the thread ClickOnce from 2008-10-10.

You are right, it asks only one question - that is if you (the user) want to install this software (update). That's the one click. Yes or No.
That said, at the first install more clicks may be requested if the local .Net isn't up to the level you (the developer) has programmed for.

It's installed in the user's private folder and the system folders and creates a shortcut to launch the app. Nothing to adjust, nothing to fail.
What it does, however, is to install a shortcut which first checks for a new version, then launch the app.

The easy method is to install IIS somewhere with a Publish folder that the shortcut checks, and for which initially a URL is forwarded to the potential users.
Whenever a new version of the app is ready, you ask VS to publish it. Then VS packs the app and its dependencies and rewrite the publish folder - most likely via FTP but that's your choice.
The next time the user fires the shortcut and click Yes, your update will be installed. It has never failed for me.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-04-2010 22:04 >>>
I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 16:10:34 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:10:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
In-Reply-To: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <y2k8786a4c01004191410k11edd57pd47f3100b968c050@mail.gmail.com>

OnceClick was the older version in, I believe VS2003, that was
superseded by ClickOnce.

By itself, ClickOnce is very Basic. But you can do so much with it.

It installs the app to the users profile, so it doesn't require admin
rights (doesn't write to C:\program files\).

I've got pretty good at making custom bootstrappers for ClickOnce, let
me know if you need help with those.

I didn't like the situation when releasing an update, if the user
selects "no" to the prompt,
he does not get prompted again the next time he runs the app, so we
now force our updates on our users.

The other thing I didn't like was that it only checks for your chosen
prerequisites the first time, so if you
checked off a prereq for some component and it later gets uninstalled,
it doesnt automatically reload it.

The Shortcut issue has been resolved too with VS2008 SP1. You can now
create a shortcut to your app.

I ended up making a "launcher" app which checks for any missing
prerequisites at install then checks for
various other things and automatically downloads updates on the fly.
If everything is fine, it simply starts our
main application.

Doing it this way, via a ClickOnce-Launcher, you can create a seperate
msi for your main app
which can be installed where ever you want.

D





On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements. ?The
> OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on using this? ?How does it work? ?Can it ask the user where to
> install? ?Stuff like that.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 18:32:56 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:32:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Hyper-V vs VMWare
Message-ID: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 21:21:06 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:21:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] For the rest of us
Message-ID: <4BD3A712.4080006@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.coolcomputing.com/article.php?sid=3861
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267

24 cores for $2K plus memory.

This might make my SQL Server a tad faster eh?

Not that I have $2K laying around.

Throw in 64 gigs of ram for around $3K and a Raid 0 Array of SSds to house my read-only databases 
(another $2K or so) and for the neighborhood of $8K I could get some serious computing done.

Not that I have 8K laying around.

This is some pretty serious hardware though, and not costing 50K either.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 06:07:39 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:07:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] Hyper-V vs VMWare
In-Reply-To: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <u2ic7fd28d01004250407rdcd66e10q539f8411fa7f9858@mail.gmail.com>

Hello john,

Using HyperV for a year now and not a single complaint,

I have to say that trying to run Win7 and run VS2008 does not get a bare
metal experience, but it is absolutely for running servers, and I even use
it running Win7 and with PhotoShop.

Never managed to get VM ware installed or running, but they only say good
things about it

HTH

Mark



On 25 April 2010 00:32, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
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>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 25 21:59:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:59:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Who needs a Cray
Message-ID: <4BD50193.9090603@colbyconsulting.com>

48 cores, 128 gigs ram...

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TYAN-AMD-OPTERON-6174-G34-48-CORE-MAGNY-COURS-/270529337772


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 28 08:39:38 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:39:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:38:27 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:38:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>

Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.

Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
possibility that your IP will change from time to time.

You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.

Doug

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:39 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:40:13 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:40:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6C3CFD17FC14416DA83DEEA60715F854@Server>


I have been doing this  for my work admin site for years.  I use abbyss web
server (free + paid option) with filezilla.

Never had any problems.  I use access to parse the info of the cretins who
try to break in. Some of their attempts at guessing the password is
laughable.  They get logged and their ips rejected  for a pre-determined
period after x attempts.

No problems. Not heavy traffic.  Server is bog standard low grade cheap PC
(about 5 years old now) with 2 cards, one for the network, one for the
router.  Contents get rebuild overnight for freshness the next day.

Easy, cheap and does the job.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
_______________________________________________
dba-VB mailing list
dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 29 10:47:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:47:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no need to fit into some standard package.

Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power consumption.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From ha at phulse.com  Thu Apr 29 12:19:15 2010
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:19:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
References: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <l2u4439d9ec1004291019j5ab5ff76lf516d46d1243dea5@mail.gmail.com>

>From a pure technical point of view, you only have 3 main problems to be
concerned about when running a site from home.

1. A typical internet connection for personal or small business use has poor
upload bandwidth and a higher latency. Run a speed test and you'll probably
see that your download speeds are up in the megabits, while upload is a
paltry 128-256 kbps. If this is just for small sites, that is fine. Just
don't expect it to handle high traffic loads and bear in mind that this will
start to eat into the bandwidth for your own internet usage.

2. Your internet connection probably changes IP addresses periodically. This
isn't a huge issue. Using a service like dnsomatic.com, you could configure
your router (if it supports that) or use dhclient or similar daemon/client
application to update your DNS when your IP address changes. dnsomatic works
with dyndns and zoneedit and more, so that's quite neat. Typically your ip
adderss only changes once every few months and you may have a few minutes or
less of downtime while the new IP address propogates.

3. Security. I think the first line of defense and most important thing to
do is to put your server in a walled garden. So, put the server behind it's
own router on a separate network. This way, if you do suffer a security
breach, those hackers don't have access to the rest of the machines in your
LAN. Secondly, it can be a hassle having to maintain yet another server
against the nasty background internet traffic on your own, but this need not
be a big issue, if you just make sure to configure things right the first
time around. I assume you will probably use Windows, but in my case, I have
an Ubuntu server deployed even without a hardware firewall in front of it. I
keep software patches up-to-date and have a daemon (fail2ban) that routinely
checks various logs for repeated brute force logins and other nasty things
and bans that IP address for an hour. This has been pretty effective at
stopping hackers, script kiddies and scripted attacks from mindless zombies.
Make sure you restrict any services that don't need to be exposed to only
your IP address. Use a VPN if you want a way of accessing it from outside
your green zone.

All in all, I've been doing this myself and it's definitely doable - not
insane. But make sure you have a plan B, in case you suddenly find yourself
in a situation where you quickly need to move it somewhere with a fatter
pipe.


Hans-Christian
Software Developer, UK

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On 29 April 2010 16:47, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no
> need to fit into some standard package.
>
> Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several
> including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power
> consumption.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:13:40 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:13:40 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:17:18 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:17:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA056E.24476.524C961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do-able but insane. 

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart
On 28 Apr 2010 at 9:39, jwcolby wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
> 
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
> 
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
> issue.
> 
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
> make sense.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Apr 29 17:18:06 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:18:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2ED9847F9482473AB0FCB38566CC6E0C@murphy3234aaf1>

My point exactly. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:14 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against
(roughly in order of
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to
keep them fully patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website
hits, but from the continuous probes you will be getting on your web and
mail servers).  At the moment, your mail provider is probably blocking a lot
of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are runnning your own mail
server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you
may think it negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood
:-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com
:-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed
to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running
a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 09:41:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:41:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
Message-ID: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 09:56:22 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:56:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <o2j4dd71a0c1004020756qe31d1abehfe3c652a731e16e3@mail.gmail.com>

Cool!  But I already have a beard and a moustache :)

Doug

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:41 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Check this out.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
>
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
>


From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Fri Apr  2 10:20:55 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:20:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>

Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.

I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
groups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related


Interactive white board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 10:49:57 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:49:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4BB61225.2090208@colbyconsulting.com>

I'm trying to discover how to process video streams from a usb camera.  There are a TON of programs 
and even things to allow you to automatically post files to YouTube and the like, but I want to 
actually be able to capture the stream from C# - either a single frame or a video clip.

I just don't have enough to keep me busy!  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jack and Pat wrote:
> Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.
> 
> I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
> Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
> groups.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> Interactive white board:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
> 
> Check this out.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
> 
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 12:36:42 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:36:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
Message-ID: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  2 19:43:41 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 06:53:51 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:53:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] How to get MS Word mailmerge to open a query with
	parameters against an linked SQL Table
In-Reply-To: <t2jc7fd28d01004030350kd4f14c29uc25290fcab4e4663@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2jc7fd28d01004030350kd4f14c29uc25290fcab4e4663@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h2yc7fd28d01004030453wa41a83c2t6b45f5f74bfabea2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I think that the following works perfectly as a solution for my problem
posted  below.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183>if you need this, review it
carefully, as I missed out the critical bit in the Word 2007 section where
it refers you to the Options button first.  Incidentally, in my Word 2003, I
also had to go to Options\general to turn on the DDE access.

If tech and sql are seeing this for the first time, it is because I mis
typed the email on the first pass, so  now you get a solution to a problem
you did not have !  :)

Thanks

Mark


On 3 April 2010 11:50, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> First of all, I hope you are not annoyed by my three cross posts.  This
> question involves MS Word mailmerges, MS Access and MS SQL Server.
>
> I have a SQL Server database hosting in a data centre.
> I have an Access 2003 db with ODBC inked tables to the SQL Server
> I have a query with hard coded Criteria -- eg Where CustId = 100
> I have MS Word Version 2003 with a MailMerge doc Set up and connected to
> the Query in MS Access.
> The Mailmerge works well with this setup
>
> When I change the above setup to use parmeters instead of hard coded values
> in the criteria of the query, I can successfully run the query from within
> access.  The params popup and ask for the param value, and then the query
> executes and returns records as expected.
>
> However, the MS Word mailmerge does not work, and the mailmerge doc cannot
> connect to the data source.  If I try to re-establish the data source
> connection, MS Word does not even see the query as a potential data source
> within the db.
>
> If you have any suggestions, I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thank you, as always for your time,
>
> Mark
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr  3 08:13:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:13:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4BB73F17.7050003@colbyconsulting.com>

I also use LogMeIn for some clients (at their insistence).  It has "issues" such as:

1) It costs money for the "good" version
2) It insists on retaining the focus at the wrong times
3) It insists on NOT retaining the focus at the right times

If I am in LogMeIn and I hit Alt-Tab it does NOT switch between the open applications on the remote 
computer but instead moves me back to the next app on my machine.  My brain is trained to use 
alt-tab to move from one app to another on the desktop and I am CONSTANTLY switching back to my 
local computer instead of switching to the next app on the remote computer.  It is TOTALLY annoying 
to have to (remember to and) pick up the mouse to click on the other application that I want to use 
on the remote computer.

OTOH (using dual monitors here at the office) if I click into an application back in my other 
monitor it leaves LogMeIn kinda sorta mostly in control of the main (big) monitor.  If I want to use 
any of the other applications "underneath" LogMeIn on the main monitor I have to intentionally 
minimize LogMeIn so that I can see the tool bar (and thus the other apps) on the main monitor.

Let me just say that I HATE LogMeIn.  Yes, LogMeIn works, and when a gun is held to my head I use it.

However it is NOT remote desktop.  It does not ACT LIKE remote desktop.  Remote desktop acts like 
Windows in every sense, EXACTLY like Windows in every sense, because it IS Windows in every sense, 
not some browser trying to act like Windows.  Given my druthers I will install Hamachi on the remote 
then use RD over that Hamachi VPN.  Works great!

Back to my issue, RD is not SUPPOSE TO require "the remote user to be logged in himself".  In fact 
RD (on Windows 2003) has TWO available remote sessions available and BOTH are usable remotely.  You 
are SUPPOSED to be able to boot the server, NEVER LOG IN LOCALLY and RD in from two different 
clients.  I know this because my client in CT uses one login from her home and I use the other login 
from here in NC.

So it is an issue with my server (or something), not an issue with RD specifically.

I just thought maybe someone else had seen this and figured out how to fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
> 
> I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
> When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
> server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
> switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.
> 
> If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
> IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.
> 
> IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.
> 
> Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
> first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
> and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
> as that other user is still connected).
> 
> So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
> work first time / every time, regardless of anything?
> 


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 03:05:27 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:05:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
In-Reply-To: <000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <sba3b7b6.052@cactus.dk> <000001cac784$9ecac5e0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<4BACA8AA.80106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001501cacd19$0e80d0c0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<c7fd28d01003270417y3ddb6dd2sff8da5145e782014@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr  5 03:20:10 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:20:10 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
In-Reply-To: <l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sba3b7b6.052@cactus.dk>
	<000001cac784$9ecac5e0$6a01a8c0@nant><4BACA8AA.80106@colbyconsulting.com><001501cacd19$0e80d0c0$6a01a8c0@nant><c7fd28d01003270417y3ddb6dd2sff8da5145e782014@mail.gmail.com><000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cad498$d0750d50$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hello Mark --

As I noted already whenever you'll make it that would we very useful info
for many developers...

Thank you.

--Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:05 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial

Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov
<shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for
Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while
ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 09:41:04 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:41:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D887@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Never seen this before JC.  Our Remote Desktop server doesn't have this
problem at all, and I've setup several client machines that the owners
can hit remotely using RD, and haven't seen this problem.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 10:00:22 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:00:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D88B@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Whoops, forgot to mention two things that might help.

First, for remote access to servers I use Remote Administrator
http://famatech.com it's a great tool.

Second, if your server requires a login, why not just have your server
automatically login.  It's just a registry setting to get an NT based
machine to auto login.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  5 22:27:05 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:27:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  6 04:48:47 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:48:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
In-Reply-To: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6EB93EA2E6274DC0905D3CFE0975AFC7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.
aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-p
etabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
John W. Colby
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  6 05:15:49 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:15:49 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <sbbb2616.023@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

(cross posted to dba-tech)

Yes, that was "old news" but still an interesting project!

Last week I studied the offerings of large drives and noticed that 2 TB drives now are priced per GB equal to or lower than 1 TB drives. This may not be so important for normal small businesses not operating in the PB storage segment - what is important, however, is that such a drive uses no more power than a 0.5 or 1 TB drive. At least in Europe power cost is a major part of the total cost for flying such drives, thus consolidating storage may lead to important power and cost savings.

It's an interesting project of yours. Are you building one unit to share via a WAN among the participants, or are you building a unit for each?

Also, how do you plan to approach this shared storage? By FTP, iSCSI, or something else? I noticed that the unit ("pod") in the article uses HTTPs which may be nice for many purposes but useless for, say, a shared Access database. And by which media if the unit is local? Are 1 GB NICs fine? The 10 GB gear I can locate seems quite expensive.

Wouldn't it be easier (=no custom software) just to build a simple server offering iSCSI like Openfiler SAN as I mentioned a week ago:

  http://www.openfiler.com/ 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 06-04-2010 11:48 >>>
Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


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http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr  6 09:23:18 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:23:18 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Links to LINQ
Message-ID: <000001cad594$b5475ef0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All,

FYI: Links to LINQ
http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/2006/10/05/Links-to-LINQ.aspx

--Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 10:29:28 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:29:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <4BBDF658.9000708@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  8 11:01:00 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:01:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <sbbe19f0.079@cactus.dk>

Hi John

By default both servers listen to port 80. So either disable IIS or let on of them listen to, say, port 8080 (your choice) and adjust clients' call accordingly.
Or you can install another NIC and use this for Apache. Or perhaps you can assign two IP adresses to your current NIC (though I have never played with that option).

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 17:29 >>>
I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 15:44:13 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:44:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored procedure
Message-ID: <4BBE401D.3050308@colbyconsulting.com>

I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 01:59:25 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:59:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 07:29:30 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:29:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a stored
 procedure
In-Reply-To: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>

I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 07:49:46 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:49:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a	stored
	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbf3ea9.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you need to use Convert in place of Cast - and use style 120:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187928.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 14:29 >>>
I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 08:09:33 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:09:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to
	a stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>, <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBF270D.24554.75EE9A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Are PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd  set up as DateTime or SmallDateTime fields.  If the 
latter, they can only store times to the nearest minute.

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 8:29, jwcolby wrote:

> I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
> order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
> back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
> is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
> stored procedure).
> 
> The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
> seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
> information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.
> 
> This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> 
> This is the SP side:
> 
> ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
> 	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
> 	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
> 	@SPName varchar(50),
> 	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
> 	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
> 	@RecsAffected int,
> 	@DteTimeStart datetime,
> 	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
> 	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
> 	@ErrorNo int output,
> 	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output
> 
> The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.
> 
> The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:
> 
> 		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
>             ([PL_DBName]
>             ,[PL_TblName]
>             ,[PL_StoredProcName]
>             ,[PL_Process]
>             ,[PL_Memo]
>             ,[PL_ErrInt]
>             ,[PL_ErrStr]
>             ,[PL_DteProc]
>             ,[PL_RecsAffected]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
> 			SELECT '''
> 			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
> 			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
> 			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
> 			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
> 			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
> 			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
> 			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
> 			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
> 			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'
> 
> 
> 
> The following is the record stored by the process:
> 
> 
> PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
> PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
> 553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
> _aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000
> 
> I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
> time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
> looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
>   IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!
> 
> I am baffled.
> 
> I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
> / end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
> process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Gustav Brock wrote:
> > Hi John
> > 
> > Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> > I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> > looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> > string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> > Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> > appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> > me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> > 
> > I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> > strips off the seconds.
> > 
> > What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> > 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 12:02:11 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:02:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>

I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 18:25:01 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:25:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
> peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
> tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
> takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
> that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
> the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
> that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
> triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
> one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
> wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
> were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
> system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
> really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 00:10:11 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:10:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>


Hi Stuart,
I don't understand your posting.
YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
And it is free.
 
Unless I misunderstood John requirements.

I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

--
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each 
> shipped to my door.  What peaked my interest is that they are an 
> actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is tough and
usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I 
> say eventually because it takes a good minute before the message pops 
> up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application that needs a 
> camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For
example, once the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at
max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read
them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" 
> software that isn't too expensive that would allow me to connect these 
> to machines around the house and record video?  Movement triggered 
> etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I 
> would like to put one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a
few seconds when it senses movement.  Then wait for no movement before
resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages 
> last night.  Some worked, all were klunky if they worked.  There are a 
> bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web system so that I 
> could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel
so I really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when
there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 08:38:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:38:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
Message-ID: <4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 11:42:47 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:42:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# - Report server databases
Message-ID: <4BC0AA87.2000006@colbyconsulting.com>

I am using SMO to get lists of databases, tables in databases etc.  I never operate on the system 
databases so I filter out the system databases using the Database.IsSystemObject property.  That 
brought into focus the ReportServer and ReportServerTempDB databases, which oddly are not inside of 
the system folder and apparently are not system objects.

Other than filtering them out by their name, is there a way to know that they are not user defined 
databases?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 10 16:36:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:36:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <sbc10b7b.021@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You could use DirectX:

  http://www.codeproject.com/KB/graphics/zMoviePlayer.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 19:02 >>>
I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R 
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486 

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Apr 10 21:28:23 2010
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:28:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
	<4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01582EDA@ddi-01.DDI.local>

YAWCAM looks great.
Another option if you want to do more programming yourself is MS
Encoder.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.ms
px

I used this a few years ago with some success. IIRC it comes with an API
and sample code.
Not sure if movement detection would be straightforward or not.

Cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2010 11:39 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: c# interface to webcam

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if
you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand
in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done
here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced
response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds.

> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr 12 05:05:20 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:05:20 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] VS2010 Launch Event
Message-ID: <002101cada27$aa0f7580$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I'm watching online some of the presentations from VS2010 Launch Event from
Moscow - it looks good so far - VS2010 have got many new useful in real life
development features - no, I'm not going to announce/discuss them here now
to let you get your own fresh view on them :) - let's discuss them later
this week...

Just wanted to share this link about real life VS2010 usage in MS:

"Dogfooding" VS 2010 and .NET 4 
http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2010/04/08/dogfooding-vs-2010-and-ne
t-4.aspx 

It's mainly about Team Foundation Server 2010 (TFS2010) deployment there at
MS, and TFS2010 is first of all a SCRUM development tool you know :)

Not sure I will use TFS2010 real soon as it is costly - just wanted to note
that SCRUM we tried here last spring "rules the agile development world" -
now at MS :) (They say they will make an MS Project 2010/Microfost Solutions
Framework 2010 add-on for TFS2010 to support more formal and much more
bureaucratic "waterfall" development approaches but that will probably
happen for VS2010 SP1 only...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 12 09:51:14 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:51:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Murcurial Version Control
Message-ID: <4BC33362.1090202@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to set this up on my machines.  I downloaded and installed TortoiseHG, then installed 
HGSCC as an integration package to Visual Studio.  I am trying to follow the instructions found at:

http://blog.dynamicprogrammer.com/2010/02/20/MercurialIntegrationWithVisualStudio.aspx

but it doesn't seem to work.  As an example the "add to source code" option is grayed out, but there 
are no "check boxes".  I was using VisualSVN which is still "integrated" into Visual Studio, but I 
am a little hesitant to uninstall that until I get Murcurial functioning since I do have several 
projects already checked in to VisualSVN.

Is there any other tutorial that you guys have found useful for Murcurial and HGSCC?  Any ideas on 
how to get going with this.  I need to either get Murcurial going or pay the per seat for VisualSVN.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 09:31:21 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 09:54:32 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:54:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <sbc4a1f0.060@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could it be those image files found here:

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\VS2008ImageLibrary\1033\VS2008ImageLibrary.zip

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-04-2010 16:31 >>>
Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 10:04:06 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:04:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <676881D432A6461D860EFCB774A1BA4E@danwaters>

MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
up, so sign up soon!

Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
then they want you there.

http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/

Have Fun!
Dan

PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 13 10:28:31 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:28:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 10:39:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:39:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4BC49033.2000903@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow, that sounds cool!  Thanks for the tip.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
> 
> Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
> projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
> has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
> images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 11:05:35 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:05:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:53:44 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:53:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <t2wb874372a1004130953o7ca69c6ar867d9a9b64ac8d57@mail.gmail.com>

I've gone to some of these events in the past, if you have an evaluation
copy it will say so on the the product cover, I've picked up non-evaluation
versions of sql server 2005, Visual Studio 2005/2008 and even Windows 2003
R2, just to name a few.

--
Francisco

-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
> but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
> Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
> were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At
> one
> (paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
> development tools, raffled off by ticket number.
>
> Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
> seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
> now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
> subscription.  Yikes!
>
> In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real
> bargain
> as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.
>
> Doug Steele
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> > over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> > expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> > Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
> are
> > the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> > up, so sign up soon!
> >
> > Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
> to
> > request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
> they
> > don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
> that
> > invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
> anyway
> > then they want you there.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/
> >
> > Have Fun!
> > Dan
> >
> > PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> > world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 12:46:58 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:46:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr 13 13:58:40 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:58:40 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
	<DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 15:25:37 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:25:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk><DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
	<000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <27CCBD4152FF454F8DA1D41A46131E4D@danwaters>

Hi Shamil,

I've found the price for a full version of VS2010 (w/o MSDN) to be $799
retail, discounted to $705
(http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).  

And the upgrade version retail price of $549 (w/o MSDN) retail, discounted
to $480 (http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).

Looking at the Programmer's Paradise website, I think you can get the same
products you listed for quite a bit less money.  There are numerous options
and I'm not familiar with MSDN.

Unfortunately, the Minneapolis launch event isn't until May 27th (2nd to
last), so I won't be able to let anyone know what 'freebies' they do hand
out till then!

At previous launch events they wait until the afternoon until they passed
out the software.  But they told everyone what time that was when we first
got there.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:59 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 09:44:57 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:44:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
Message-ID: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Apr 14 14:25:21 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:25:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 14:54:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:54:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <21F4F7223F0F42C2A5F74862DDD91ADA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

This might be interesting in this thread:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1446&tag=nl.e101

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:25 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 14 16:44:54 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:44:54 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 17:32:35 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:32:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <35EB5F0549A442A1AB2582B152139AA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I understand anyone can use a iPad: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40

I end up throwing Apache on a lot of computers... it is just so easy run and
use and so many apps use it by default.
 
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:45 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on
an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder
tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further
work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server
such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to
make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email
and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets
one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some
sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the
boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and
php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Apr 15 03:58:16 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:58:16 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Microsoft embracing REST,
	ATOM and JSON by Open Data Protocol (OData)
Message-ID: <003d01cadc79$cae613f0$6a01a8c0@nant>


Hi All,

I have just recently got the following site URL - is it well known there/was
mentioned already here?:

Open Data Protocol FAQ
http://www.odata.org/faq


Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:06:33 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:06:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
Message-ID: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and really love it.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr 15 09:20:38 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:20:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>

I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.

There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
normal property in a class with just one line of code!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
really love it.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:42:15 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
	<26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4BC725C7.6030001@colbyconsulting.com>

 >>In particular I like that you can write a normal property in a class with just one line of code!

I think that is in 2008.  They are called something like "automatic properties" and create a hidden 
variable to contain the data passed in and out.  At least in 2008 they are only really useful if you 
do not need to do computations in the property code since you cannot get at the property stubs in 
the normal fashion.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
> of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
> going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.
> 
> There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
> normal property in a class with just one line of code!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
> To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
> 
> Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
> downloading now) but I 
> always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.
> 
> Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
> really love it.
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 16 08:57:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:57:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] This is why i love C#
Message-ID: <4BC86CE7.8040402@colbyconsulting.com>

I use virtual machines to do some processing.  When not using the VMs I turn off the entire physical 
machine that hosts the VMs.  I have code that needs to move files to / from the VMs, but I need to 
check that they exist before I try to do so.

The .Net framework has an entire namespace for the Net and it specifically has a PING class which 
allows me to ping an IP to see if it responds.  Voila, instant "is the machine turned on" code.


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 04:02:12 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:02:12 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
Message-ID: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 06:28:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:28:37 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx 
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/ 

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 10:03:15 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <48EA15EE047E4544B4B436D12D45456D@BPCS>

Shamil,

If I can do it you surely will not have any problems.  I have 2 applications 
working on my TouchPro 2 Smartphone.  One I started in VS 2003, moved to 
2005 and now have working in 2008. It is my personal PIM, a calendar, 
Tech-tips , and a list of books, authors I have read. ( I got tired of 
buying books I had already read. )

Last year I created a 2nd app (Just for Fun) that lists all the cars and 
motorcycles I have owned. (34 so far that I remember.)  It contains 2 
pictures for each car, and the data including photo's are stored in Windows 
Mobile SQL or SQLCE or what ever MS calls it now.

Both apps sync through IIS to my Server and SQLServer 2008. The PIM has been 
working fine for five or six years through various versions of VS and BPCars 
is still being worked on but has worked for 6 months or so.

I don't know that it matters, but the PIM for my PC's is in VB6 and BPCars 
for the PC is in VB.NET 2008

I doubt that I could help you very much as your programming skill are about 
100 times better than mine, but your question was "How well does it work?" 
and for simple database frontend backend it works great. There are lots of 
samples etc using pinvoke and other stuff I don't understand on the net, 
should you desire to directly connect to some of the phone features. 
Microsoft.public.dotnet.compactframework has some very talented people on 
there that share their expertise.

HTH

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:28 AM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:24:45 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:24:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<j2k8786a4c01004171009t176630dbobe65687f0c98ff3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2l8786a4c01004171014r7f5df36cm453b3a43cfa4f90f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <z2j8786a4c01004171024rc2e3c224jf88df99a76e91c35@mail.gmail.com>

Shamil, as already mentioned, you shouldn't have any problems. I have an app
that was originally developed using  evb/cdb and converted to .Net/SDF
(SQLCE).

We developed in VS2003,5 & 8 for WM2003, WM5 and WM6.

The only issues we ever have are when MS deprecates something and we have to
scramble to redesign something that currently works.



Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 2:03 AM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:29:19 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 15:01:06 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:01:06 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at 

Acer neoTouch S200 
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 16:24:04 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:24:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant><i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <7AA0E2360B0642598864AAA8DC1A554C@BPCS>

Shamil,

I don't know from experience but the HTC HD2 has a 4.3 inch capacitive touch 
screen which I am told is better then the resistive one of the newTouch and 
is also larger.  Rumor has it that the HD2 will not be upgradable to Windows 
Mobile 7 but other rumors say it will. There is apparently a third party 
upgrade announced by XDA if Win Mobile 7 is important to you.

 You might want to compare specs on the neotouch and HD2 before jumping in.

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 PM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 20:52:26 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:52:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <g2g8786a4c01004171852l661bf917u328d203aac2809e3@mail.gmail.com>

I'd say that it all depends on what your target customer base will be. We
use HP iPaqs. You can buy older used units on eBay pretty cheap.

Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 1:02 PM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?


Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010...

Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ag...


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 19 15:04:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>

I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 19 16:10:29 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:10:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <sbcce2f3.090@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I use ClickOnce at a client and it works great. Look up the thread ClickOnce from 2008-10-10.

You are right, it asks only one question - that is if you (the user) want to install this software (update). That's the one click. Yes or No.
That said, at the first install more clicks may be requested if the local .Net isn't up to the level you (the developer) has programmed for.

It's installed in the user's private folder and the system folders and creates a shortcut to launch the app. Nothing to adjust, nothing to fail.
What it does, however, is to install a shortcut which first checks for a new version, then launch the app.

The easy method is to install IIS somewhere with a Publish folder that the shortcut checks, and for which initially a URL is forwarded to the potential users.
Whenever a new version of the app is ready, you ask VS to publish it. Then VS packs the app and its dependencies and rewrite the publish folder - most likely via FTP but that's your choice.
The next time the user fires the shortcut and click Yes, your update will be installed. It has never failed for me.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-04-2010 22:04 >>>
I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 16:10:34 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:10:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
In-Reply-To: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <y2k8786a4c01004191410k11edd57pd47f3100b968c050@mail.gmail.com>

OnceClick was the older version in, I believe VS2003, that was
superseded by ClickOnce.

By itself, ClickOnce is very Basic. But you can do so much with it.

It installs the app to the users profile, so it doesn't require admin
rights (doesn't write to C:\program files\).

I've got pretty good at making custom bootstrappers for ClickOnce, let
me know if you need help with those.

I didn't like the situation when releasing an update, if the user
selects "no" to the prompt,
he does not get prompted again the next time he runs the app, so we
now force our updates on our users.

The other thing I didn't like was that it only checks for your chosen
prerequisites the first time, so if you
checked off a prereq for some component and it later gets uninstalled,
it doesnt automatically reload it.

The Shortcut issue has been resolved too with VS2008 SP1. You can now
create a shortcut to your app.

I ended up making a "launcher" app which checks for any missing
prerequisites at install then checks for
various other things and automatically downloads updates on the fly.
If everything is fine, it simply starts our
main application.

Doing it this way, via a ClickOnce-Launcher, you can create a seperate
msi for your main app
which can be installed where ever you want.

D





On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements. ?The
> OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on using this? ?How does it work? ?Can it ask the user where to
> install? ?Stuff like that.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 18:32:56 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:32:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Hyper-V vs VMWare
Message-ID: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 21:21:06 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:21:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] For the rest of us
Message-ID: <4BD3A712.4080006@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.coolcomputing.com/article.php?sid=3861
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267

24 cores for $2K plus memory.

This might make my SQL Server a tad faster eh?

Not that I have $2K laying around.

Throw in 64 gigs of ram for around $3K and a Raid 0 Array of SSds to house my read-only databases 
(another $2K or so) and for the neighborhood of $8K I could get some serious computing done.

Not that I have 8K laying around.

This is some pretty serious hardware though, and not costing 50K either.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 06:07:39 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:07:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] Hyper-V vs VMWare
In-Reply-To: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <u2ic7fd28d01004250407rdcd66e10q539f8411fa7f9858@mail.gmail.com>

Hello john,

Using HyperV for a year now and not a single complaint,

I have to say that trying to run Win7 and run VS2008 does not get a bare
metal experience, but it is absolutely for running servers, and I even use
it running Win7 and with PhotoShop.

Never managed to get VM ware installed or running, but they only say good
things about it

HTH

Mark



On 25 April 2010 00:32, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 25 21:59:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:59:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Who needs a Cray
Message-ID: <4BD50193.9090603@colbyconsulting.com>

48 cores, 128 gigs ram...

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TYAN-AMD-OPTERON-6174-G34-48-CORE-MAGNY-COURS-/270529337772


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 28 08:39:38 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:39:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:38:27 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:38:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>

Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.

Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
possibility that your IP will change from time to time.

You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.

Doug

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:39 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
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>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:40:13 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:40:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6C3CFD17FC14416DA83DEEA60715F854@Server>


I have been doing this  for my work admin site for years.  I use abbyss web
server (free + paid option) with filezilla.

Never had any problems.  I use access to parse the info of the cretins who
try to break in. Some of their attempts at guessing the password is
laughable.  They get logged and their ips rejected  for a pre-determined
period after x attempts.

No problems. Not heavy traffic.  Server is bog standard low grade cheap PC
(about 5 years old now) with 2 cards, one for the network, one for the
router.  Contents get rebuild overnight for freshness the next day.

Easy, cheap and does the job.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 29 10:47:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:47:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no need to fit into some standard package.

Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power consumption.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From ha at phulse.com  Thu Apr 29 12:19:15 2010
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:19:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
References: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <l2u4439d9ec1004291019j5ab5ff76lf516d46d1243dea5@mail.gmail.com>

>From a pure technical point of view, you only have 3 main problems to be
concerned about when running a site from home.

1. A typical internet connection for personal or small business use has poor
upload bandwidth and a higher latency. Run a speed test and you'll probably
see that your download speeds are up in the megabits, while upload is a
paltry 128-256 kbps. If this is just for small sites, that is fine. Just
don't expect it to handle high traffic loads and bear in mind that this will
start to eat into the bandwidth for your own internet usage.

2. Your internet connection probably changes IP addresses periodically. This
isn't a huge issue. Using a service like dnsomatic.com, you could configure
your router (if it supports that) or use dhclient or similar daemon/client
application to update your DNS when your IP address changes. dnsomatic works
with dyndns and zoneedit and more, so that's quite neat. Typically your ip
adderss only changes once every few months and you may have a few minutes or
less of downtime while the new IP address propogates.

3. Security. I think the first line of defense and most important thing to
do is to put your server in a walled garden. So, put the server behind it's
own router on a separate network. This way, if you do suffer a security
breach, those hackers don't have access to the rest of the machines in your
LAN. Secondly, it can be a hassle having to maintain yet another server
against the nasty background internet traffic on your own, but this need not
be a big issue, if you just make sure to configure things right the first
time around. I assume you will probably use Windows, but in my case, I have
an Ubuntu server deployed even without a hardware firewall in front of it. I
keep software patches up-to-date and have a daemon (fail2ban) that routinely
checks various logs for repeated brute force logins and other nasty things
and bans that IP address for an hour. This has been pretty effective at
stopping hackers, script kiddies and scripted attacks from mindless zombies.
Make sure you restrict any services that don't need to be exposed to only
your IP address. Use a VPN if you want a way of accessing it from outside
your green zone.

All in all, I've been doing this myself and it's definitely doable - not
insane. But make sure you have a plan B, in case you suddenly find yourself
in a situation where you quickly need to move it somewhere with a fatter
pipe.


Hans-Christian
Software Developer, UK

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On 29 April 2010 16:47, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no
> need to fit into some standard package.
>
> Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several
> including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power
> consumption.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:13:40 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:13:40 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:17:18 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:17:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA056E.24476.524C961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do-able but insane. 

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart
On 28 Apr 2010 at 9:39, jwcolby wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
> 
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
> 
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
> issue.
> 
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
> make sense.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Apr 29 17:18:06 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:18:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2ED9847F9482473AB0FCB38566CC6E0C@murphy3234aaf1>

My point exactly. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:14 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against
(roughly in order of
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to
keep them fully patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website
hits, but from the continuous probes you will be getting on your web and
mail servers).  At the moment, your mail provider is probably blocking a lot
of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are runnning your own mail
server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you
may think it negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood
:-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com
:-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed
to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running
a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 09:41:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:41:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
Message-ID: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 09:56:22 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:56:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <o2j4dd71a0c1004020756qe31d1abehfe3c652a731e16e3@mail.gmail.com>

Cool!  But I already have a beard and a moustache :)

Doug

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:41 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Check this out.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
>
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
>


From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Fri Apr  2 10:20:55 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:20:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>

Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.

I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
groups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related


Interactive white board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc

I haven't downloaded (yet!)

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 10:49:57 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:49:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>
References: <4BB6021B.3040103@colbyconsulting.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP22A94D9705F6539D8C9FC6C41C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4BB61225.2090208@colbyconsulting.com>

I'm trying to discover how to process video streams from a usb camera.  There are a TON of programs 
and even things to allow you to automatically post files to YouTube and the like, but I want to 
actually be able to capture the stream from C# - either a single frame or a video clip.

I just don't have enough to keep me busy!  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jack and Pat wrote:
> Very interesting, but I too already have a beard like Doug.
> 
> I haven't seen any of this before. Just watched a couple of  youtube demos.
> Here's extremely basic intro, that does reference .net library and some
> groups.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLPww04QaQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> Interactive white board:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=related
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] Touchless API
> 
> Check this out.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJuJJOK7MMc
> 
> I haven't downloaded (yet!)
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  2 12:36:42 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:36:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
Message-ID: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Apr  2 19:43:41 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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dba-VB mailing list
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 06:53:51 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:53:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] How to get MS Word mailmerge to open a query with
	parameters against an linked SQL Table
In-Reply-To: <t2jc7fd28d01004030350kd4f14c29uc25290fcab4e4663@mail.gmail.com>
References: <t2jc7fd28d01004030350kd4f14c29uc25290fcab4e4663@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h2yc7fd28d01004030453wa41a83c2t6b45f5f74bfabea2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I think that the following works perfectly as a solution for my problem
posted  below.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214183>if you need this, review it
carefully, as I missed out the critical bit in the Word 2007 section where
it refers you to the Options button first.  Incidentally, in my Word 2003, I
also had to go to Options\general to turn on the DDE access.

If tech and sql are seeing this for the first time, it is because I mis
typed the email on the first pass, so  now you get a solution to a problem
you did not have !  :)

Thanks

Mark


On 3 April 2010 11:50, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> First of all, I hope you are not annoyed by my three cross posts.  This
> question involves MS Word mailmerges, MS Access and MS SQL Server.
>
> I have a SQL Server database hosting in a data centre.
> I have an Access 2003 db with ODBC inked tables to the SQL Server
> I have a query with hard coded Criteria -- eg Where CustId = 100
> I have MS Word Version 2003 with a MailMerge doc Set up and connected to
> the Query in MS Access.
> The Mailmerge works well with this setup
>
> When I change the above setup to use parmeters instead of hard coded values
> in the criteria of the query, I can successfully run the query from within
> access.  The params popup and ask for the param value, and then the query
> executes and returns records as expected.
>
> However, the MS Word mailmerge does not work, and the mailmerge doc cannot
> connect to the data source.  If I try to re-establish the data source
> connection, MS Word does not even see the query as a potential data source
> within the db.
>
> If you have any suggestions, I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thank you, as always for your time,
>
> Mark
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr  3 08:13:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:13:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E41E9C6C8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4BB73F17.7050003@colbyconsulting.com>

I also use LogMeIn for some clients (at their insistence).  It has "issues" such as:

1) It costs money for the "good" version
2) It insists on retaining the focus at the wrong times
3) It insists on NOT retaining the focus at the right times

If I am in LogMeIn and I hit Alt-Tab it does NOT switch between the open applications on the remote 
computer but instead moves me back to the next app on my machine.  My brain is trained to use 
alt-tab to move from one app to another on the desktop and I am CONSTANTLY switching back to my 
local computer instead of switching to the next app on the remote computer.  It is TOTALLY annoying 
to have to (remember to and) pick up the mouse to click on the other application that I want to use 
on the remote computer.

OTOH (using dual monitors here at the office) if I click into an application back in my other 
monitor it leaves LogMeIn kinda sorta mostly in control of the main (big) monitor.  If I want to use 
any of the other applications "underneath" LogMeIn on the main monitor I have to intentionally 
minimize LogMeIn so that I can see the tool bar (and thus the other apps) on the main monitor.

Let me just say that I HATE LogMeIn.  Yes, LogMeIn works, and when a gun is held to my head I use it.

However it is NOT remote desktop.  It does not ACT LIKE remote desktop.  Remote desktop acts like 
Windows in every sense, EXACTLY like Windows in every sense, because it IS Windows in every sense, 
not some browser trying to act like Windows.  Given my druthers I will install Hamachi on the remote 
then use RD over that Hamachi VPN.  Works great!

Back to my issue, RD is not SUPPOSE TO require "the remote user to be logged in himself".  In fact 
RD (on Windows 2003) has TWO available remote sessions available and BOTH are usable remotely.  You 
are SUPPOSED to be able to boot the server, NEVER LOG IN LOCALLY and RD in from two different 
clients.  I know this because my client in CT uses one login from her home and I use the other login 
from here in NC.

So it is an issue with my server (or something), not an issue with RD specifically.

I just thought maybe someone else had seen this and figured out how to fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We've taken to using LogMeIn with our clients because it offers remote features as well as other modes, including one that doesn't require the client to be logged in himself.  I don't use it personally, but our support analyst uses it all the time so he can see what the client is actually doing or try to reproduce a problem on their machines.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
> 
> I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office (entirely within my LAN). 
> When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have not first logged in to the 
> server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.  IOW I have to use my KVM 
> switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from my laptop.
> 
> If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the laptop will continue to work 
> IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to RD back in.
> 
> IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.
> 
> Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the physical machine, RD will fail the 
> first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that attempt, then try it again 
> and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it again, no problem (as long 
> as that other user is still connected).
> 
> So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that problem such that RD will 
> work first time / every time, regardless of anything?
> 


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 03:05:27 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:05:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
In-Reply-To: <000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <sba3b7b6.052@cactus.dk> <000001cac784$9ecac5e0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<4BACA8AA.80106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001501cacd19$0e80d0c0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<c7fd28d01003270417y3ddb6dd2sff8da5145e782014@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr  5 03:20:10 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 12:20:10 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
In-Reply-To: <l2gc7fd28d01004040105r2a0d4e05l6e6095ab9f3d945f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sba3b7b6.052@cactus.dk>
	<000001cac784$9ecac5e0$6a01a8c0@nant><4BACA8AA.80106@colbyconsulting.com><001501cacd19$0e80d0c0$6a01a8c0@nant><c7fd28d01003270417y3ddb6dd2sff8da5145e782014@mail.gmail.com><000701cacde8$3e94db10$6a01a8c0@nant>
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Message-ID: <000f01cad498$d0750d50$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hello Mark --

As I noted already whenever you'll make it that would we very useful info
for many developers...

Thank you.

--Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:05 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial

Hello Shamil,

On my list of interesting things to do, is to switch from Subversion to
Mercurial, when I do, and when I have played with it for a little while, I
will try to get a server up.  If / when I ever get around to this, I will
post details, but it might be a while.  I would like to play with Mecurial,
but it is low down the priority list.

thanks

Mark


On 27 March 2010 20:01, Shamil Salakhetdinov
<shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:

> Hi Mark --
>
> As I noted in my reply to JC in this thread Mercurial tools (including
> Visual Studio plug-in and web server) are free.
>
> If you can set Central Mercurial Server (to play with) on your publicly
> available IIS web server and post reproducible setup steps that would be
> very useful for many developers AFAICS:
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2484151/how-to-setup-mercurial-central-re
> pository-on-shared-hosting
>
>
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818571/how-to-setup-mercurial-and-hgwebdi
> r-on-iis
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
>
> Hello All,
>
> I see that Joel has launched Kiln 1.0 which looks to be a GUI for
Mecurial.
>  It seems that he is commited to it as a technology.
>
> IMO Kiln is pretty expensive for what it seems to be offering - a GUI for
> Mecurial - or did I not get it right?
>
> I have to say that I also found his tutorial facinating and I am
> considering
> downloading and installing it here.
>
> What do you all think, do we need a Central Mecurial Server also?  I could
> set one up for use all to use if we want / need, but I think we do not
> really need one unless we were working on a centralised project.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 19:18, Shamil Salakhetdinov
> <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>wrote:
>
> > Hi John --
> >
> > I do use it here:
> >
> > http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/SourceControl/list/changesets
> >
> > But I'm just a beginner with subject SCC toolset...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --Shamil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:30 PM
> > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> >
> > So is anyone (of us) actually using this?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > > Hi Gustav --
> > >
> > > That seems to be a VS tool for Mercurial:
> > >
> > > http://visualhg.codeplex.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
http://jat45.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/using-mercurial-visualhg-and-visual-st
> > > udio-2008-together/
> > >
> > > I must note I haven't used it yet.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --Shamii
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:43 PM
> > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi Shamil and Michael
> > >
> > > But how about the integration with VS? I would miss my small "traffic
> > light"
> > > sub-icons.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have always tried to avoid branching. It's the root of all
> > evil
> > > to maintain.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> michael at ddisolutions.com.au 18-03-2010 23:36 >>>
> > > Hi Shamil,
> > >
> > > Beat me to it..lol
> > > Heres Joels explanation for the tutorial
> > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk about timing :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Michael M
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > > Salakhetdinov
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 6:33 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
> issues.'
> > > Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: a Mercurial tutorial
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky: "You're a brain damaged
> > (:))
> > > if you used Subversion", - he writes in this tutorial (trying to be
> > polite):
> > >
> > > http://hginit.com/
> > >
> > > I did use Subversion but occasionally switched to Mercurial a while
ago
> > > (before I did find this article/tutorial).
> > >
> > > Enjoy! ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 09:41:04 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:41:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D887@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Never seen this before JC.  Our Remote Desktop server doesn't have this
problem at all, and I've setup several client machines that the owners
can hit remotely using RD, and haven't seen this problem.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Apr  5 10:00:22 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:00:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003
In-Reply-To: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BB62B2A.4090805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D88B@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Whoops, forgot to mention two things that might help.

First, for remote access to servers I use Remote Administrator
http://famatech.com it's a great tool.

Second, if your server requires a login, why not just have your server
automatically login.  It's just a registry setting to get an NT based
machine to auto login.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Initial start of remote desktop fails - Windows 2003

I use RD to work on the servers in my office from my laptop in my office
(entirely within my LAN). 
When I attempt to connect RD, it fails completely and always if I have
not first logged in to the 
server manually, through the keyboard / mouse connected to that machine.
IOW I have to use my KVM 
switch to physically see the machine, AND log in, THEN RD will work from
my laptop.

If I use the KVM to go to the physical machine and log out, RD from the
laptop will continue to work 
IF ALREADY CONNECTED, but will fail if I close the RD session and try to
RD back in.

IOW RD simply cannot connect if there is not already a user logged in.

Additionally, once I have done that manual / initial login to the
physical machine, RD will fail the 
first time I try it.  I have to try to connect, immediately cancel that
attempt, then try it again 
and then it connects right in.  I can close the RD session and start it
again, no problem (as long 
as that other user is still connected).

So... has anyone seen this behavior?  Has anyone seen a solution to that
problem such that RD will 
work first time / every time, regardless of anything?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr  5 22:27:05 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:27:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  6 04:48:47 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:48:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
In-Reply-To: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBAAA09.4000606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6EB93EA2E6274DC0905D3CFE0975AFC7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.
aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-p
etabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  6 05:15:49 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:15:49 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?
Message-ID: <sbbb2616.023@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

(cross posted to dba-tech)

Yes, that was "old news" but still an interesting project!

Last week I studied the offerings of large drives and noticed that 2 TB drives now are priced per GB equal to or lower than 1 TB drives. This may not be so important for normal small businesses not operating in the PB storage segment - what is important, however, is that such a drive uses no more power than a 0.5 or 1 TB drive. At least in Europe power cost is a major part of the total cost for flying such drives, thus consolidating storage may lead to important power and cost savings.

It's an interesting project of yours. Are you building one unit to share via a WAN among the participants, or are you building a unit for each?

Also, how do you plan to approach this shared storage? By FTP, iSCSI, or something else? I noticed that the unit ("pod") in the article uses HTTPs which may be nice for many purposes but useless for, say, a shared Access database. And by which media if the unit is local? Are 1 GB NICs fine? The 10 GB gear I can locate seems quite expensive.

Wouldn't it be easier (=no custom software) just to build a simple server offering iSCSI like Openfiler SAN as I mentioned a week ago:

  http://www.openfiler.com/ 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 06-04-2010 11:48 >>>
Hi John:

I posted that link on the DBA Tech list about a year ago (I know it is about
a year ago as Outlooks archive system had lost the post ;-))

Right now we are working on building just such a drive. There is a team of
us small entrepreneurs, all have small businesses and have seen this as
inexpensive way offset much of our overhead. My workshop is filled with
various parts and pieces and my boss is saying "Get to it."

The controllers will be Linux based which will and can show the entire drive
as a single unit which can allow certain operations to expand and shrink as
necessary. (My son-in-law is putting the software components together and
has been working on the design for close to a year.) Virtual drives will
handle various OS requirements. It will of course need the proper
controllers, LAN connections, fat pipes, fail-over systems (maybe a number
of these units in various locations) and power supplys but I am sure we will
be able to work out the details.

Probably as difficult as building the box will be setting up how each
participant will be appropriately compensated. It will have to be some rate
built on space used, hits level, compensation for hosting it and the amount
of data being transferred.

As far as I can see the design is brilliant.

My long range plans are to work with such super databases as 'Cassandra'
where a billion records can be processed at the same rate as a RDBMS can
process a million. 

If you haven't checked out my post(s) on the DBA tech list at least check
the following links: http://cassandra.apache.org and
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Announcing-APDB-The-Worlds-Fastest-Database.aspx (This might be something you should be looking at; maybe in the future.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] Anyone need a little storage?


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/30922-how-to-build-a-cheap-petabyte-server-lessons-learned

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr  6 09:23:18 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:23:18 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Links to LINQ
Message-ID: <000001cad594$b5475ef0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All,

FYI: Links to LINQ
http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/2006/10/05/Links-to-LINQ.aspx

--Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 10:29:28 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:29:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <4BBDF658.9000708@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr  8 11:01:00 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:01:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MySQL questions
Message-ID: <sbbe19f0.079@cactus.dk>

Hi John

By default both servers listen to port 80. So either disable IIS or let on of them listen to, say, port 8080 (your choice) and adjust clients' call accordingly.
Or you can install another NIC and use this for Apache. Or perhaps you can assign two IP adresses to your current NIC (though I have never played with that option).

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 17:29 >>>
I am trying to get MySQL installed and working and a C# project talking to it.  I am moving my 
billing database to C# as a class project and also because it is VERY long in the tooth and time for 
an upgrade.  Because it is a class project I am trying to get it to play with MySQL because I can 
carry a small server around on my flash drive and work on it at school as well as anywhere else I 
have Visual Studio installed.

So, I get a copy of XAMPLite which other people in the class are using.  It fires up and runs from 
the thumb drive but...

On my dev laptop when I run it and then try to go to localhost, I get Microsoft's IIS default web 
page, not the XAMPLite server control page like I am supposed to.  Obviously XAMPLite expects that 
its server will be the only one running.

So how do I deal with this?  Does anyone know how to get the apache server instance that XAMPLite 
loads to point to something other than localhost?

TIA,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr  8 15:44:13 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:44:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored procedure
Message-ID: <4BBE401D.3050308@colbyconsulting.com>

I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 01:59:25 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:59:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C#  Date conversion going in to a stored	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
me, stripping the seconds in the process.

I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
strips off the seconds.

What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 07:29:30 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:29:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a stored
 procedure
In-Reply-To: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>

I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr  9 07:49:46 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:49:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to a	stored
	procedure
Message-ID: <sbbf3ea9.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you need to use Convert in place of Cast - and use style 120:

  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187928.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 14:29 >>>
I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
stored procedure).

The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.

This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");

sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");


This is the SP side:

ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
	@SPName varchar(50),
	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
	@RecsAffected int,
	@DteTimeStart datetime,
	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
	@ErrorNo int output,
	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output

The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.

The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:

		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
            ([PL_DBName]
            ,[PL_TblName]
            ,[PL_StoredProcName]
            ,[PL_Process]
            ,[PL_Memo]
            ,[PL_ErrInt]
            ,[PL_ErrStr]
            ,[PL_DteProc]
            ,[PL_RecsAffected]
            ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
            ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
			SELECT '''
			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'



The following is the record stored by the process:


PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
_aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000

I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
  IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!

I am baffled.

I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
/ end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> 
> I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> strips off the seconds.
> 
> What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 08:09:33 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:09:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: C# Date conversion going in to
	a stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sbbeec8a.088@cactus.dk>, <4BBF1DAA.80806@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBF270D.24554.75EE9A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Are PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd  set up as DateTime or SmallDateTime fields.  If the 
latter, they can only store times to the nearest minute.

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 8:29, jwcolby wrote:

> I have sent it in as a string (varchar(100), and I have sent it in as a date time.  Basically in 
> order to check on the format, I immediately send it right back out as an output parameter coming 
> back from the SP.  AFAICT it is converted somewhere in the interface between C# and SQL Server.  It 
> is a date in the format MMM DD YYYY hh mm AM/PM as soon as I examine it inside of SQl Server (in the 
> stored procedure).
> 
> The seconds are gone!  Nothing that I have tried inside of the stored procedure allows me to see the 
> seconds, or rather I can format it to display seconds but they are always 00.  The second 
> information is lost in the trip over to the stored procedure.
> 
> This is the C# side where I set up the parameters:
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeStart", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeStart"].Value = pSPStart;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> sCmdLog.Parameters.Add(new SqlParameter("@DteTimeEnd", SqlDbType.DateTime));
> sCmdLog.Parameters["@DteTimeEnd"].Value = pSPEnd;//.ToString("MM/dd/yyyy HH:mm:ss");
> 
> 
> This is the SP side:
> 
> ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[_sp_LogProcess]
> 	-- Add the parameters for the stored procedure here
> 	@DBName varchar(50), @TblName varchar(50),
> 	@SPName varchar(50),
> 	@Process varchar(50), @Memo varchar(4000),
> 	@ErrIntOut int, @ErrStrOut varchar(4000),
> 	@RecsAffected int,
> 	@DteTimeStart datetime,
> 	@DteTimeEnd datetime,
> 	@ErrorDesc varchar(4000) output,
> 	@ErrorNo int output,
> 	@SQLStatement varchar(4000) output
> 
> The @DteTimeStart and @DteTimeEnd are the variables of interest.
> 
> The following is what I am using to generate the SQL statement that appends a record into the log table:
> 
> 		SELECT @SQL = 'INSERT INTO [_aDataMaster].[dbo].[tblProcessLog]
>             ([PL_DBName]
>             ,[PL_TblName]
>             ,[PL_StoredProcName]
>             ,[PL_Process]
>             ,[PL_Memo]
>             ,[PL_ErrInt]
>             ,[PL_ErrStr]
>             ,[PL_DteProc]
>             ,[PL_RecsAffected]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeStart]
>             ,[PL_DteTimeEnd])
> 			SELECT '''
> 			 + @DBName + ''' as PL_DBName, '''
> 			 + @TblName + ''' as PL_TblName, '''
> 			 + @SPName + ''' AS PL_StoredProcName, '''
> 			 + @Process + ''' as PL_Process, '''
> 			 + @Memo + ''' as PL_Memo, '
> 			 + cast(@ErrIntOut as varchar) + ' as PL_ErrInt, '''
> 			 + @ErrStrOut + ''' as PL_ErrStr, '''
> 			 + cast(getdate() as varchar) + ''' as PL_DteProc, '''
> 			 + CAST(@RecsAffected as varchar) + ''' AS PL_RecsAddected, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeStart as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeStart, '''
> 			 + cast(@DteTimeEnd as varchar) + ''' AS PL_DteTimeEnd'
> 
> 
> 
> The following is the record stored by the process:
> 
> 
> PL_ID	PL_DBName	PL_TblName	PL_Process	PL_Memo	PL_ErrInt	PL_ErrStr	PL_DteProc	PL_MS2Process 
> PL_RecsAffected	PL_StoredProcName	PL_DteTimeStart	PL_DteTimeEnd
> 553	PSM11211_test	No TblName specified	Accuzip Export		0	Success	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	NULL	0 
> _aDataMaster.dbo.sp_AZOut_BCPOutOneFile	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000	2010-04-08 17:24:00.000
> 
> I have tried every combination I could think of and it is just stripping the seconds each and every 
> time.  I have passed in pure varchar at both ends.  I have passed in DateTime at both ends.  I have 
> looked at the data in the param.value back in C# and it shows the seconds portion.  I look in the SP 
>   IMMEDIATELY below the function declaration line and the seconds are gone!
> 
> I am baffled.
> 
> I NEED the seconds part.  I am trying to time how long my other SPs takes to execute, and the start 
> / end times are what is being passed in to this SP to be logged in the table.  The whole logging 
> process is ALMOST useless if I cannot capture the timing data.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Gustav Brock wrote:
> > Hi John
> > 
> > Why not declare the parameter as Date? That will accept values with seconds and milliseconds.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08-04-2010 22:44 >>>
> > I have an issue where I am sending in a date from C# to a stored procedure in SQL Server.  I am 
> > looking at the data on the C# side, clear down into the parameter object.value and the data is a 
> > string which looks like: "12/22/2010 14:23:01".  When it gets into the Varchar(100) on the SQL 
> > Server side (in the stored procedure) the seconds have been stripped off.  I NEED the seconds.  It 
> > appears that SQL Server is "helpfully" noticing that the string is a date and doing a conversion for 
> > me, stripping the seconds in the process.
> > 
> > I have passed the date in as a string, as an actual date and so forth and in all cases, SQL Server 
> > strips off the seconds.
> > 
> > What do I need to do to cause SQL Server to stop "being helpful" and leave my seconds alone?
> > 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr  9 12:02:11 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:02:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>

I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Apr  9 18:25:01 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:25:01 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
> peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
> tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
> takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
> that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
> the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
> that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
> triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
> one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
> wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
> were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
> system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
> really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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> 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 00:10:11 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:10:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>


Hi Stuart,
I don't understand your posting.
YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
And it is free.
 
Unless I misunderstood John requirements.

I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam

Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
this.
Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"

http://www.yawcam.com/


On the help page, I noticed this google ad:

Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html

("free for non-commercial purpose"!)

Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".

--
Stuart

On 9 Apr 2010 at 13:02, jwcolby wrote:

> I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R
> http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486
> 
> I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each 
> shipped to my door.  What peaked my interest is that they are an 
> actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is tough and
usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!
> 
> Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I 
> say eventually because it takes a good minute before the message pops 
> up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application that needs a 
> camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For
example, once the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at
max resolution.  GREAT picture!.
> 
> So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read
them and display them.
> 
> Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" 
> software that isn't too expensive that would allow me to connect these 
> to machines around the house and record video?  Movement triggered 
> etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I 
> would like to put one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a
few seconds when it senses movement.  Then wait for no movement before
resetting to record another burst.
> 
> Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.
> 
> I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages 
> last night.  Some worked, all were klunky if they worked.  There are a 
> bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web system so that I 
> could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel
so I really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when
there is movement.
> 
> And someday play with them in C#.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 08:38:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:38:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
In-Reply-To: <10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
Message-ID: <4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds. 
> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 10 11:42:47 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:42:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] c# - Report server databases
Message-ID: <4BC0AA87.2000006@colbyconsulting.com>

I am using SMO to get lists of databases, tables in databases etc.  I never operate on the system 
databases so I filter out the system databases using the Database.IsSystemObject property.  That 
brought into focus the ReportServer and ReportServerTempDB databases, which oddly are not inside of 
the system folder and apparently are not system objects.

Other than filtering them out by their name, is there a way to know that they are not user defined 
databases?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 10 16:36:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:36:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
Message-ID: <sbc10b7b.021@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You could use DirectX:

  http://www.codeproject.com/KB/graphics/zMoviePlayer.aspx 

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-04-2010 19:02 >>>
I bought four little USB no name webcams from Newegg the other day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826717012R 
http://www.imcorpusa.com/products.asp?id=486 

I took a chance just because of the price, I ended up paying $10 each shipped to my door.  What 
peaked my interest is that they are an actual 1280 x 1024 sensor.  Getting more than 640 x 480 is 
tough and usually very expensive.  Thus I figure if they worked I win.  They work!

Windows Vista eventually figures out how to load a driver for them.  I say eventually because it 
takes a good minute before the message pops up.  Once that happens I can use them in any application 
that needs a camera, and the resolution and picture quality is just outstanding!  For example, once 
the driver loads, Skype picks them right up and uses them at max resolution.  GREAT picture!.

So what I really want to do is experiment with them and use C# to read them and display them.

Between now and then, does anyone have a favorite "surveillance" software that isn't too expensive 
that would allow me to connect these to machines around the house and record video?  Movement 
triggered etc.  I have a system in the living room that sits under the TV that I would like to put 
one of these on just to be able to record a burst of a few seconds when it senses movement.  Then 
wait for no movement before resetting to record another burst.

Kind of a poor man's (that would be me) surveillance camera.

I actually went looking, found and downloaded a half dozen packages last night.  Some worked, all 
were klunky if they worked.  There are a bunch that are designed to publish the video to a web 
system so that I could see them from outside the house "when I travel", but I don't travel so I 
really just need them to snap a few seconds every once in a while when there is movement.

And someday play with them in C#.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sat Apr 10 21:28:23 2010
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:28:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  c# interface to webcam
References: <4BBF5D93.8070606@colbyconsulting.com>	<4BBFB74D.4826.9926337@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><10B3C60638A243C4BDD920EF1380AA85@Server>
	<4BC07F73.3020900@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01582EDA@ddi-01.DDI.local>

YAWCAM looks great.
Another option if you want to do more programming yourself is MS
Encoder.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.ms
px

I used this a few years ago with some success. IIRC it comes with an API
and sample code.
Not sure if movement detection would be straightforward or not.

Cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2010 11:39 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW: Re: c# interface to webcam

Yep Max, it does meet the immediate requirements.

Thanks,

BTW I looked at video lab and while it does provide a free version, if
you ever decided to actually 
publish a product it starts at $1500.

Not that that is unreasonable for what it does, but it sure would stand
in my way.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> I don't understand your posting.
> YAWCAM does what  John was asking for.
> It provides HTTP,  Streaming Cam , Motion Detection etc.
> And it is free.
>  
> Unless I misunderstood John requirements.
> 
> I posted to the same address I received the email from as I have done
here.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] c# interface to webcam
> 
> Max just posted "YAWCAM"   on dba_Tech,  I think in a misplaced
response to
> this.
> Yawcam = Yet Another WebCAM software"
> 
> http://www.yawcam.com/
> 
> 
> On the help page, I noticed this google ad:
> 
> Add Video Capture and processing to your .NET applications in seconds.

> http://www.mitov.com/html/videolab.html
> 
> ("free for non-commercial purpose"!)
> 
> Might be just what you are looking for for that "someday".
> 
> --
> Stuart

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Apr 12 05:05:20 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:05:20 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] VS2010 Launch Event
Message-ID: <002101cada27$aa0f7580$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I'm watching online some of the presentations from VS2010 Launch Event from
Moscow - it looks good so far - VS2010 have got many new useful in real life
development features - no, I'm not going to announce/discuss them here now
to let you get your own fresh view on them :) - let's discuss them later
this week...

Just wanted to share this link about real life VS2010 usage in MS:

"Dogfooding" VS 2010 and .NET 4 
http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2010/04/08/dogfooding-vs-2010-and-ne
t-4.aspx 

It's mainly about Team Foundation Server 2010 (TFS2010) deployment there at
MS, and TFS2010 is first of all a SCRUM development tool you know :)

Not sure I will use TFS2010 real soon as it is costly - just wanted to note
that SCRUM we tried here last spring "rules the agile development world" -
now at MS :) (They say they will make an MS Project 2010/Microfost Solutions
Framework 2010 add-on for TFS2010 to support more formal and much more
bureaucratic "waterfall" development approaches but that will probably
happen for VS2010 SP1 only...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 12 09:51:14 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:51:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Murcurial Version Control
Message-ID: <4BC33362.1090202@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to set this up on my machines.  I downloaded and installed TortoiseHG, then installed 
HGSCC as an integration package to Visual Studio.  I am trying to follow the instructions found at:

http://blog.dynamicprogrammer.com/2010/02/20/MercurialIntegrationWithVisualStudio.aspx

but it doesn't seem to work.  As an example the "add to source code" option is grayed out, but there 
are no "check boxes".  I was using VisualSVN which is still "integrated" into Visual Studio, but I 
am a little hesitant to uninstall that until I get Murcurial functioning since I do have several 
projects already checked in to VisualSVN.

Is there any other tutorial that you guys have found useful for Murcurial and HGSCC?  Any ideas on 
how to get going with this.  I need to either get Murcurial going or pay the per seat for VisualSVN.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 09:31:21 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:31:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 09:54:32 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:54:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
Message-ID: <sbc4a1f0.060@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could it be those image files found here:

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\VS2008ImageLibrary\1033\VS2008ImageLibrary.zip

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-04-2010 16:31 >>>
Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 10:04:06 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:04:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <676881D432A6461D860EFCB774A1BA4E@danwaters>

MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
up, so sign up soon!

Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
then they want you there.

http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/

Have Fun!
Dan

PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Apr 13 10:28:31 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:28:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
To: VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources

Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Apr 13 10:39:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:39:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <4BC48039.3000209@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E4503D904@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4BC49033.2000903@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow, that sounds cool!  Thanks for the tip.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> We use imagelist controls to handle those "borrowed" images/icons.  Add the images you want to an imagelist and you can drop it on your form, where you select the particular image you need for whatever purpose.  It gets compiled into the dll, so there's no worry about not being able to find the image file later.  Plus you can copy the imagelist control from one form to another, even if you no longer have access to the original images stored in it.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:31 AM
> To: VBA
> Subject: [dba-VB] C# button image resources
> 
> Does Visual Studio allow us to use the existing button images as images / resources for our own 
> projects.  IOW I want to create a button with a "delete" symbol.  I know that Visual Studio already 
> has such an image, I believe it is a little red X very artsy / swishy.  Is that and other such 
> images available for us to use in our own projects?  If so how do I get my hands on it?
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr 13 11:05:35 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:05:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
Message-ID: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:53:44 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:53:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <t2wb874372a1004130953o7ca69c6ar867d9a9b64ac8d57@mail.gmail.com>

I've gone to some of these events in the past, if you have an evaluation
copy it will say so on the the product cover, I've picked up non-evaluation
versions of sql server 2005, Visual Studio 2005/2008 and even Windows 2003
R2, just to name a few.

--
Francisco

-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
> but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
> Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
> were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At
> one
> (paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
> development tools, raffled off by ticket number.
>
> Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
> seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
> now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
> subscription.  Yikes!
>
> In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real
> bargain
> as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.
>
> Doug Steele
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> > over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> > expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> > Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
> are
> > the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> > up, so sign up soon!
> >
> > Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
> to
> > request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
> they
> > don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
> that
> > invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
> anyway
> > then they want you there.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/
> >
> > Have Fun!
> > Dan
> >
> > PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> > world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 12:46:58 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:46:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Apr 13 13:58:40 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:58:40 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk>
	<DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Apr 13 15:25:37 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:25:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events
In-Reply-To: <000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <sbc4b27e.063@cactus.dk><DBB222D72D1F4E82B84D4DA11A940D7C@danwaters>
	<000001cadb3b$56080500$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <27CCBD4152FF454F8DA1D41A46131E4D@danwaters>

Hi Shamil,

I've found the price for a full version of VS2010 (w/o MSDN) to be $799
retail, discounted to $705
(http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).  

And the upgrade version retail price of $549 (w/o MSDN) retail, discounted
to $480 (http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?skupart=M47%2040).

Looking at the Programmer's Paradise website, I think you can get the same
products you listed for quite a bit less money.  There are numerous options
and I'm not familiar with MSDN.

Unfortunately, the Minneapolis launch event isn't until May 27th (2nd to
last), so I won't be able to let anyone know what 'freebies' they do hand
out till then!

At previous launch events they wait until the afternoon until they passed
out the software.  But they told everyone what time that was when we first
got there.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:59 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan,

I watched some presentations from VS 2010 Launch event from Moscow and Las
Vegas' VS 2010 Launch coverage yesterday - they (MS) didn't mention
completely "free lunch at that Launch" (pun intended) :) - they do propose
special promotional prices for VS2010 with MSDN subscriptions - if you get
one then they will give you "one level upper" subscription and you'll keep
that right to use that promotion for three years in the row - till then next
VS version I guess...

If I'm not mistaken then for the price of VS2010 Professional (USD1199
(USD799 upgrade)) with MSDN subscription you can get VS2010 Premium with
MSDN subscription (USD5469 (USD2299 upgrade)) etc.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

till 30th of April 2010 as far as I have got it...

Please correct me if I've got it incorrectly...

I plan to attend first several hours of VS2010 Launch event here in
St.Petersburg, Russia, tomorrow, April 14, 2010 - I will try to get some
more info if I'll be there...

Right now you can:

"...watch the keynotes and Channel 9 Live coverage head to
http://live.ch9.ms

To be a part of the conversation tweet your questions and comments with
@ch9live anywhere in the message and we'll see it..."

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Channel-9-Live-at-Visual-Studio-2010-
and-Silverlight-4-Launch/

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

They don't do that.  Their audience here is mostly developers - and those
are the folks that MS wants to treat well.

I went to the 2003 Office launch and got duplicate disks of just about every
2003 version of software that MS had.

I went to the 2008 Launch and got VS 2008 and (eventually) SQL Server 2008.

In fact, from what I can see, this software is the main reason that many
(most?) people go to these events.  

What I've been going to is the events specifically named Launch events, and
those have had the free software. 

I can't guarantee that they will hand out free software, but at every Launch
event I've been to so far, that's what they did!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:06 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] MS 2010 Launch Events

Hi Dan

Freebies may very well be timebombed evaluation copies only. Not crippled
but still no cigar - or perhaps exactly so, as a cigar eventually burns out.

/gustav


>>> dbdoug at gmail.com 13-04-2010 17:55 >>>
Interesting - the last couple of MS events I went to in Vancouver, Canada,
were notable for the lack of freebies (coffee and muffins excepted).  At one
(paid) event, the only item given out was a SINGLE copy of the web
development tools, raffled off by ticket number.

Looking at the pricing of VS2010 I am also surprised at how expensive it
seems to be.  To upgrade VS2008 Pro, for which I believe I paid about $150,
now appears to cost $550 including a compulsory 'MSDN Essentials'
subscription.  Yikes!

In contrast, the MS Technet subscription (about $250/year) is a real bargain
as it gives me all MS Office, SQL Server, and Windows versions.

Doug Steele

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:

> MS has released its schedule of launch events in cities throughout the US
> over the next two months.  I go because they hand out free software.  I'm
> expecting to get a copy of VS 2010, Access 2010, Sharepoint 2010, and SQL
> Server 2008 R2.  They don't say that this is what you'll get, but those
are
> the products they are advertising in the launch event.  These events fill
> up, so sign up soon!
>
> Click this link and follow the track you want.  When you get to the page
to
> request a seat, it will say that you need an invitation code - but then
they
> don't ask for a code.  I requested a seat and am now confirmed without
that
> invitation code.  Perhaps they figure that if you're looking for this
anyway
> then they want you there.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/business/2010events/ 
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - they are also having launch events in major cities elsewhere in the
> world, but you'll need to find that information somewhere.



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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 09:44:57 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:44:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
Message-ID: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Apr 14 14:25:21 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:25:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 14:54:40 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:54:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5E22622D40E4F00B7987FE73E5C104A@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <21F4F7223F0F42C2A5F74862DDD91ADA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

This might be interesting in this thread:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1446&tag=nl.e101

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:25 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

A simple, no development cost way of doing this would be to use Google Docs
or the MS equivalent. I am not sure the current version of IIS will allow
you to get a directory listing the way you used to be able to do with the
url of the directory. Shouldn't be to hard to build an asp.net page that
reads the directory and gives you the url of each file to download.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:45 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
can surf these directories and read them as he needs.

but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?

thanks,
-Francisco
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 14 16:44:54 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:44:54 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 17:32:35 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:32:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...
In-Reply-To: <4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <h2vb874372a1004140744u58680540q8421c58d66222ac6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC63756.10695.1FACC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <35EB5F0549A442A1AB2582B152139AA6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I understand anyone can use a iPad: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40

I end up throwing Apache on a lot of computers... it is just so easy run and
use and so many apps use it by default.
 
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:45 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] serving up a directory as a web page...

Personally,I prefer Apache as a webserver.  I find it simpler to configure.

Is this web interface for WWW or intranet use?  If you are just working on
an intranet and 
aren't too worried about security, all you have to do is make the folder
tree the "document 
root" of a "virtual host" and he can browse the folders without any further
work - no need tor 
.net, php or anything.   If it is WWW, I'd probably set up an FTP server
such as filezilla for 
him to access the folders through an easy to use FTP client.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Apr 2010 at 7:44, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> so with all these news on iPad,  our team ended up getting one, but to
make
> it really useful, we are being asked on how can we make it search our
> network drives so that content is served up on it easily, currently our
> manager who has been testing it sends the files he wants to it via email
and
> then just opens them this way during his meeting, however if he forgets
one,
> he sends us an email so that we can send it his way.  My question, since
> this thing will open up pdf's served up from the web, and convert docs to
> pages files on the fly, why not have it really be useful and setup some
sort
> of web interface to 2 or 3 of our folders and just serve them up so the
boss
> can surf these directories and read them as he needs.
> 
> but of course how would you approach this?  with iis/.net or apache and
php?
> 
> thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Apr 15 03:58:16 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:58:16 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: Microsoft embracing REST,
	ATOM and JSON by Open Data Protocol (OData)
Message-ID: <003d01cadc79$cae613f0$6a01a8c0@nant>


Hi All,

I have just recently got the following site URL - is it well known there/was
mentioned already here?:

Open Data Protocol FAQ
http://www.odata.org/faq


Thank you.

--
Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:06:33 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:06:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
Message-ID: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and really love it.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Apr 15 09:20:38 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:20:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>

I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.

There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
normal property in a class with just one line of code!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010

Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
downloading now) but I 
always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.

Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
really love it.

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Apr 15 09:42:15 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Visual Studio 2010
In-Reply-To: <26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
References: <4BC71D69.9020708@colbyconsulting.com>
	<26DE961962314AE7A932DDE563D32669@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4BC725C7.6030001@colbyconsulting.com>

 >>In particular I like that you can write a normal property in a class with just one line of code!

I think that is in 2008.  They are called something like "automatic properties" and create a hidden 
variable to contain the data passed in and out.  At least in 2008 they are only really useful if you 
do not need to do computations in the property code since you cannot get at the property stubs in 
the normal fashion.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> I've been using the RC version now, but not extensively.  Since about March
> of last year, it's been through 2 Betas and one Release Candidate.  So I'm
> going to guess that it may be better than the average Rev 1 release.
> 
> There are some nice new features!  In particular I like that you can write a
> normal property in a class with just one line of code!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:07 AM
> To: VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio 2010
> 
> Is VS 2010 ready for prime time?  As a student I can get a free copy (it is
> downloading now) but I 
> always hesitate to embrace rev 1 software of any kind.
> 
> Are you guys using it yet?  I am using 2008 in production right now and
> really love it.
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Apr 16 08:57:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:57:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] This is why i love C#
Message-ID: <4BC86CE7.8040402@colbyconsulting.com>

I use virtual machines to do some processing.  When not using the VMs I turn off the entire physical 
machine that hosts the VMs.  I have code that needs to move files to / from the VMs, but I need to 
check that they exist before I try to do so.

The .Net framework has an entire namespace for the Net and it specifically has a PING class which 
allows me to ping an IP to see if it responds.  Voila, instant "is the machine turned on" code.


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 04:02:12 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:02:12 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
Message-ID: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 06:28:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:28:37 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx 
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/ 

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 10:03:15 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:03:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<001501cade21$2068b320$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <48EA15EE047E4544B4B436D12D45456D@BPCS>

Shamil,

If I can do it you surely will not have any problems.  I have 2 applications 
working on my TouchPro 2 Smartphone.  One I started in VS 2003, moved to 
2005 and now have working in 2008. It is my personal PIM, a calendar, 
Tech-tips , and a list of books, authors I have read. ( I got tired of 
buying books I had already read. )

Last year I created a 2nd app (Just for Fun) that lists all the cars and 
motorcycles I have owned. (34 so far that I remember.)  It contains 2 
pictures for each car, and the data including photo's are stored in Windows 
Mobile SQL or SQLCE or what ever MS calls it now.

Both apps sync through IIS to my Server and SQLServer 2008. The PIM has been 
working fine for five or six years through various versions of VS and BPCars 
is still being worked on but has worked for 6 months or so.

I don't know that it matters, but the PIM for my PC's is in VB6 and BPCars 
for the PC is in VB.NET 2008

I doubt that I could help you very much as your programming skill are about 
100 times better than mine, but your question was "How well does it work?" 
and for simple database frontend backend it works great. There are lots of 
samples etc using pinvoke and other stuff I don't understand on the net, 
should you desire to directly connect to some of the phone features. 
Microsoft.public.dotnet.compactframework has some very talented people on 
there that share their expertise.

HTH

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:28 AM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

I have got information on the subject starting this page:

http://www.techdays.ru/videos/1074.html (in Russian)

and then getting here (in English):

http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/msdnmobility.aspx
http://www.dotnetfordevices.com/

That seems to be it.

Does anybody here use SmartPhones/PDAs with Windows Mobile 6.x? How well
they are working for you (MS Windows systems and its applications I mean)?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:02 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:24:45 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:24:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<j2k8786a4c01004171009t176630dbobe65687f0c98ff3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2l8786a4c01004171014r7f5df36cm453b3a43cfa4f90f@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2w8786a4c01004171017l6a943ecbgec8c2a533f7ab721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <z2j8786a4c01004171024rc2e3c224jf88df99a76e91c35@mail.gmail.com>

Shamil, as already mentioned, you shouldn't have any problems. I have an app
that was originally developed using  evb/cdb and converted to .Net/SDF
(SQLCE).

We developed in VS2003,5 & 8 for WM2003, WM5 and WM6.

The only issues we ever have are when MS deprecates something and we have to
scramble to redesign something that currently works.



Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 2:03 AM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi All --

Do you have any experience for subject?
Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
subject?

The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
"jump start" information.

Also, do you know what is the best/average mobile phone on the market now to
smoothly run WM6?

All and any links, hints and tips for the subject would be greatly
appreciated here.

Thank you.

--Shamil

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 12:29:19 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using .NET
	Framework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Apr 17 15:01:06 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:01:06 +0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at 

Acer neoTouch S200 
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 17 16:24:04 2010
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:24:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x)
	using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant><i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <7AA0E2360B0642598864AAA8DC1A554C@BPCS>

Shamil,

I don't know from experience but the HTC HD2 has a 4.3 inch capacitive touch 
screen which I am told is better then the resistive one of the newTouch and 
is also larger.  Rumor has it that the HD2 will not be upgradable to Windows 
Mobile 7 but other rumors say it will. There is apparently a third party 
upgrade announced by XDA if Win Mobile 7 is important to you.

 You might want to compare specs on the neotouch and HD2 before jumping in.

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 PM
To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) 
using.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ago was a barcode scanner app
which used SQL Server CE to display and collect inventory information.  The
main programming problem I had was the limited set of properties and methods
which the VS compact edition exposed - even compared to MS Access VBA!   If
I remember correctly, using the windows mobile emulators worked well.

Again, if you've use SQL server, SS CE won't be a problem.  Here is the one
link I can find that may be useful, a good blog and a gateway to the SS CE
world:

http://erikej.blogspot.com/

Finding a good 'generic' phone might be a problem.  I tried to get a
recommendation from a Microsoft Windows Mobile expert at a seminar once, and
he basically shrugged and said that there was no such thing.  I guess you
have to be prepared to start building a collection....

Doug



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> Do you have any experience for subject?
> Do you have any ready to use links for samples and other resources for the
> subject?
>
> The subject shouldn't be a "rocket science" I expect - I just need some
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 20:52:26 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:52:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
	.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010
In-Reply-To: <002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <001301cade0c$ac8101b0$6a01a8c0@nant>
	<i2o4dd71a0c1004171029h85a60501j340dc7431c61ecc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01cade68$b8662f30$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <g2g8786a4c01004171852l661bf917u328d203aac2809e3@mail.gmail.com>

I'd say that it all depends on what your target customer base will be. We
use HP iPaqs. You can buy older used units on eBay pretty cheap.

Sent from my Droid phone.

On Apr 17, 2010 1:02 PM, "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
wrote:

Hi Bill, David, and Doug --

Thank you for your answers/opinions.

Yes, I'd not expect to have big troubles with development for
SmartPhones/Personal Communicators running under Windows Mobile 6.x - I just
wanted to know what time it could take to start this development: as far as
I see now I have everything except a real physical device - for the latter
one I'm looking at

Acer neoTouch S200
(http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Acer-neoTouch-S200-Review-review-r_2287.htm
l )

That one seems to be good and modern and runs on Windows Mobile 6.5, and
should be upgradable to Windows Mobile 7 but it have a few issues as far as
I have got found:

- 1) display screen isn't bright enough,
- 2) photocamera glass isn't protected when off,
- 3) (!) if you put stylus into microphone node then you'll get sound off.

Well, the 3rd issue is too exotic to take into account, the 2nd one isn't
that important for me as I do not plan top use this device as a photo/video
camera but the 1st one looks important...

Still thinking here/waiting for better (and cheaper?) devices to come
released to market...

Any opinions/proposals for devices of Acer neoTouch S200 class or a bit
higher class?


Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010...

Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Programming for Windows Mobile 6.x (WM6.x) using
.NETFramework/VS 2008-2010

As Bill said, you're unlikely to have much trouble.

My first real .Net project a couple of years ag...


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Apr 19 15:04:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>

I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 19 16:10:29 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:10:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
Message-ID: <sbcce2f3.090@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I use ClickOnce at a client and it works great. Look up the thread ClickOnce from 2008-10-10.

You are right, it asks only one question - that is if you (the user) want to install this software (update). That's the one click. Yes or No.
That said, at the first install more clicks may be requested if the local .Net isn't up to the level you (the developer) has programmed for.

It's installed in the user's private folder and the system folders and creates a shortcut to launch the app. Nothing to adjust, nothing to fail.
What it does, however, is to install a shortcut which first checks for a new version, then launch the app.

The easy method is to install IIS somewhere with a Publish folder that the shortcut checks, and for which initially a URL is forwarded to the potential users.
Whenever a new version of the app is ready, you ask VS to publish it. Then VS packs the app and its dependencies and rewrite the publish folder - most likely via FTP but that's your choice.
The next time the user fires the shortcut and click Yes, your update will be installed. It has never failed for me.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-04-2010 22:04 >>>
I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements.  The 
OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.

Does anyone have any thoughts on using this?  How does it work?  Can it ask the user where to 
install?  Stuff like that.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 16:10:34 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:10:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] C# publish project
In-Reply-To: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BCCB76B.2000101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <y2k8786a4c01004191410k11edd57pd47f3100b968c050@mail.gmail.com>

OnceClick was the older version in, I believe VS2003, that was
superseded by ClickOnce.

By itself, ClickOnce is very Basic. But you can do so much with it.

It installs the app to the users profile, so it doesn't require admin
rights (doesn't write to C:\program files\).

I've got pretty good at making custom bootstrappers for ClickOnce, let
me know if you need help with those.

I didn't like the situation when releasing an update, if the user
selects "no" to the prompt,
he does not get prompted again the next time he runs the app, so we
now force our updates on our users.

The other thing I didn't like was that it only checks for your chosen
prerequisites the first time, so if you
checked off a prereq for some component and it later gets uninstalled,
it doesnt automatically reload it.

The Shortcut issue has been resolved too with VS2008 SP1. You can now
create a shortcut to your app.

I ended up making a "launcher" app which checks for any missing
prerequisites at install then checks for
various other things and automatically downloads updates on the fly.
If everything is fine, it simply starts our
main application.

Doing it this way, via a ClickOnce-Launcher, you can create a seperate
msi for your main app
which can be installed where ever you want.

D





On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I am going to have to publish my C# project for school, that is one of the requirements. ?The
> OneClick looks very basic, it doesn't appear to even ask where to install.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on using this? ?How does it work? ?Can it ask the user where to
> install? ?Stuff like that.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 18:32:56 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:32:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Hyper-V vs VMWare
Message-ID: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>

Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Apr 24 21:21:06 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:21:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] For the rest of us
Message-ID: <4BD3A712.4080006@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.coolcomputing.com/article.php?sid=3861
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267

24 cores for $2K plus memory.

This might make my SQL Server a tad faster eh?

Not that I have $2K laying around.

Throw in 64 gigs of ram for around $3K and a Raid 0 Array of SSds to house my read-only databases 
(another $2K or so) and for the neighborhood of $8K I could get some serious computing done.

Not that I have 8K laying around.

This is some pretty serious hardware though, and not costing 50K either.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 06:07:39 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:07:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] Hyper-V vs VMWare
In-Reply-To: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD37FA8.8040708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <u2ic7fd28d01004250407rdcd66e10q539f8411fa7f9858@mail.gmail.com>

Hello john,

Using HyperV for a year now and not a single complaint,

I have to say that trying to run Win7 and run VS2008 does not get a bare
metal experience, but it is absolutely for running servers, and I even use
it running Win7 and with PhotoShop.

Never managed to get VM ware installed or running, but they only say good
things about it

HTH

Mark



On 25 April 2010 00:32, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Is anyone using Hyper-V?  Comments, performance, comparisons?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Apr 25 21:59:31 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:59:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] Who needs a Cray
Message-ID: <4BD50193.9090603@colbyconsulting.com>

48 cores, 128 gigs ram...

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TYAN-AMD-OPTERON-6174-G34-48-CORE-MAGNY-COURS-/270529337772


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Apr 28 08:39:38 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:39:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:38:27 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:38:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>

Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.

Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
possibility that your IP will change from time to time.

You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.

Doug

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:39 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 10:40:13 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:40:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6C3CFD17FC14416DA83DEEA60715F854@Server>


I have been doing this  for my work admin site for years.  I use abbyss web
server (free + paid option) with filezilla.

Never had any problems.  I use access to parse the info of the cretins who
try to break in. Some of their attempts at guessing the password is
laughable.  They get logged and their ips rejected  for a pre-determined
period after x attempts.

No problems. Not heavy traffic.  Server is bog standard low grade cheap PC
(about 5 years old now) with 2 cards, one for the network, one for the
router.  Contents get rebuild overnight for freshness the next day.

Easy, cheap and does the job.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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dba-VB mailing list
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 29 10:47:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:47:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
Message-ID: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no need to fit into some standard package.

Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power consumption.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.

I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
outage (11 hours, due to weather).

I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
issue.

I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
make sense.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From ha at phulse.com  Thu Apr 29 12:19:15 2010
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:19:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
References: <sbd9c63d.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <l2u4439d9ec1004291019j5ab5ff76lf516d46d1243dea5@mail.gmail.com>

>From a pure technical point of view, you only have 3 main problems to be
concerned about when running a site from home.

1. A typical internet connection for personal or small business use has poor
upload bandwidth and a higher latency. Run a speed test and you'll probably
see that your download speeds are up in the megabits, while upload is a
paltry 128-256 kbps. If this is just for small sites, that is fine. Just
don't expect it to handle high traffic loads and bear in mind that this will
start to eat into the bandwidth for your own internet usage.

2. Your internet connection probably changes IP addresses periodically. This
isn't a huge issue. Using a service like dnsomatic.com, you could configure
your router (if it supports that) or use dhclient or similar daemon/client
application to update your DNS when your IP address changes. dnsomatic works
with dyndns and zoneedit and more, so that's quite neat. Typically your ip
adderss only changes once every few months and you may have a few minutes or
less of downtime while the new IP address propogates.

3. Security. I think the first line of defense and most important thing to
do is to put your server in a walled garden. So, put the server behind it's
own router on a separate network. This way, if you do suffer a security
breach, those hackers don't have access to the rest of the machines in your
LAN. Secondly, it can be a hassle having to maintain yet another server
against the nasty background internet traffic on your own, but this need not
be a big issue, if you just make sure to configure things right the first
time around. I assume you will probably use Windows, but in my case, I have
an Ubuntu server deployed even without a hardware firewall in front of it. I
keep software patches up-to-date and have a daemon (fail2ban) that routinely
checks various logs for repeated brute force logins and other nasty things
and bans that IP address for an hour. This has been pretty effective at
stopping hackers, script kiddies and scripted attacks from mindless zombies.
Make sure you restrict any services that don't need to be exposed to only
your IP address. Use a VPN if you want a way of accessing it from outside
your green zone.

All in all, I've been doing this myself and it's definitely doable - not
insane. But make sure you have a plan B, in case you suddenly find yourself
in a situation where you quickly need to move it somewhere with a fatter
pipe.


Hans-Christian
Software Developer, UK

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On 29 April 2010 16:47, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Main advantage for an in-house server is that you are in full control, no
> need to fit into some standard package.
>
> Disadvantages - in addition to those already mentioned - are several
> including usage of your limited upload bandwidth and added cost for power
> consumption.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 28-04-2010 15:39 >>>
> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house
> is insane, doable, easy,
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low
> traffic), and would need to
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the
> local cable) then
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
>
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only
> one single extended
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
>
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs
> and it seems like I
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another
> machine if I had a machine
> issue.
>
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because
> it would be a big boost
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM
> running my web site might
> make sense.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:13:40 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:13:40 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 29 17:17:18 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:17:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4BDA056E.24476.524C961@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do-able but insane. 

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against (roughly in order of 
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to keep them fully 
patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website hits, but from the 
continuous probes you will be getting on your web and mail servers).  At the moment, your 
mail provider is probably blocking a lot of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are 
runnning your own mail server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you may think it 
negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood :-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com  :-)


-- 
Stuart
On 28 Apr 2010 at 9:39, jwcolby wrote:

> I just need a reality check as to whether trying to host a website in-house is insane, doable, easy, 
> difficult?  If I did this it would be for my own web site (very low traffic), and would need to 
> include email (also low traffic).  If I lost internet (which I get over the local cable) then 
> obviously I would be out of commission for the duration of that outage.
> 
> I have been in this home / office for close to four years and have had only one single extended 
> outage (11 hours, due to weather).
> 
> I have a server that I keep up 24/7.  I have battery backup etc.  I run VMs and it seems like I 
> could put something like this in a VM so that I could move it to another machine if I had a machine 
> issue.
> 
> I am actively considering building a new server with 16 or 24 cores because it would be a big boost 
> for my SQL Server work and with so many cores it seems like having a VM running my web site might 
> make sense.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-VB mailing list
> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Apr 29 17:18:06 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:18:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house
In-Reply-To: <4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4BD83A9A.8050401@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<t2m4dd71a0c1004290838h95195e56n1f2ab62302452e8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BDA0494.23952.52178B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2ED9847F9482473AB0FCB38566CC6E0C@murphy3234aaf1>

My point exactly. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:14 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] hosting a website in-house

I agree wholeheartedly  

But look at the cost of basic hosting packages and trade that off against
(roughly in order of
priority):

1. your additional time to administer web and mail servers and especially to
keep them fully patched and up to date.

2. the additional security risks in exposing your systems to the public

3. the additional demand on your limited bandwidth ( not just from website
hits, but from the continuous probes you will be getting on your web and
mail servers).  At the moment, your mail provider is probably blocking a lot
of spam from ever getting to colby.com - once you are runnning your own mail
server, you will have to deal with it all.

4.  the cost of using your resources (power, disk space, cpu cycles) - you
may think it negligible, but wait until your domain gets hit by a spam flood
:-(


It just doesn't make sense!!


OK maybe I'm biased since we have recently set up http://www.pngconnect.com
:-)


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Apr 2010 at 8:38, Doug Steele wrote:

> Basically the answer is 'Easy', but possibly 'Insane' as well :)  There's
> the usual learning curve.  I've only used IIS as my sites have been .NET.
> 
> Do you have a fixed IP address?  If not, you'll have to deal with the
> possibility that your IP will change from time to time.
> 
> You will also have to think about security - I'd be leery of running a
> website on my main development machine...  Once you've got a site exposed
to
> the wild, naughty people will be interested.  That said, I've been running
a
> site using .NET login security for a year or so with no problems.
> 

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