From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Tue Dec  9 08:15:46 2014
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:15:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic?
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"?? ????? ????!" ?????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellerism

Michael R Mattys
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 3:28 PM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic?

Hi Gustav,

well it is a matter of opinion and taste,

it is a subtle word with subtle meanings, if you found out that the author first language was not english, I would not be surprised, and if you told me he went to Cambridge and is an english expert, I would also not be surprised.

If I wanted to write plain ol' english to explain a point, I would consider other words such as

built-in
automatic
immediate
direct
inherent
implicit

my wife always says:
"its not the one way we all go, says the woman as she kissed her cow"

:)

Mark




On 16 July 2014 08:44, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> Thanks, it makes much more sense now.
> However, given that explanation, my quote now makes less sense:
>
> >    Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 
> > and
> uint64.
>
> as the morphing is rather a built-in feature of the library, I guess.
> Without that feature the library would still be useful, you would just 
> have to handle the morphing otherwise.
> Except, of course, if the author himself find this feature essential 
> and would regard the library as crippled without the feature. Perhaps 
> that is what he means. I could ask.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen
> Sendt: 15. juli 2014 21:31
> Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
> Emne: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic?
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am struggling to say why I would not use that word to describe the 
> variables in a system.
>
> I like the description here
> <http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/intrinsic>
> including the additional example sentences.
>
> Religion might be used with that word.
> Culture might be.
> Deep emotional things may be intrinsic.
>
> Making money is intrinsic to MS
> Helping others might be intrinsic to open source communities.
>
> I would not say "atomic transactions are intrinsic to MS SQL Server".
>
> Why not??  Somehow, it is not the right meaning, sql server does not 
> believe it its heart that atomic transactions are important, they are 
> just how it is built.
>
> Safety is not intrinsic in the bridge, Safety is intrinsic to the city 
> that is building the new bridge.
>
>
> Any help ?
>
> Intrinsic means built in at a deep, almost emotional level.
>
> There seems to be some intrinsically built into me that loves motorcycles.
>
> Debate is intrinsically built into John Colby!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 15 July 2014 09:43, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > When you write, say about a code library:
> >
> >    Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 
> > and
> uint64.
> >
> > does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple?
> > And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external?
> >
> > /gustav
>
>
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"???-?? ??????? ?????????, ??? ?????? ????? ???????? ??????, ????? ??? ???????? ??????." ;)

-- Shamil


Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:15:46 -0500 from "Michael Mattys" <michael at mattysconsulting.com>:
>"?? ????? ????!" ?????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????.
>
>-  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellerism
>
>Michael R Mattys
>Mattys Consulting, LLC
>www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 3:28 PM
>To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
>Subject: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic?
>
>Hi Gustav,
>
>well it is a matter of opinion and taste,
>
>it is a subtle word with subtle meanings, if you found out that the author first language was not english, I would not be surprised, and if you told me he went to Cambridge and is an english expert, I would also not be surprised.
>
>If I wanted to write plain ol' english to explain a point, I would consider other words such as
>
>built-in
>automatic
>immediate
>direct
>inherent
>implicit
>
>my wife always says:
>"its not the one way we all go, says the woman as she kissed her cow"
>
>:)
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
>On 16 July 2014 08:44, Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk > wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> Thanks, it makes much more sense now.
>> However, given that explanation, my quote now makes less sense:
>>
>> >    Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 
>> > and
>> uint64.
>>
>> as the morphing is rather a built-in feature of the library, I guess.
>> Without that feature the library would still be useful, you would just 
>> have to handle the morphing otherwise.
>> Except, of course, if the author himself find this feature essential 
>> and would regard the library as crippled without the feature. Perhaps 
>> that is what he means. I could ask.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra:  dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen
>> Sendt: 15. juli 2014 21:31
>> Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
>> Emne: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic?
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am struggling to say why I would not use that word to describe the 
>> variables in a system.
>>
>> I like the description here
>> < http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/intrinsic >
>> including the additional example sentences.
>>
>> Religion might be used with that word.
>> Culture might be.
>> Deep emotional things may be intrinsic.
>>
>> Making money is intrinsic to MS
>> Helping others might be intrinsic to open source communities.
>>
>> I would not say "atomic transactions are intrinsic to MS SQL Server".
>>
>> Why not??  Somehow, it is not the right meaning, sql server does not 
>> believe it its heart that atomic transactions are important, they are 
>> just how it is built.
>>
>> Safety is not intrinsic in the bridge, Safety is intrinsic to the city 
>> that is building the new bridge.
>>
>>
>> Any help ?
>>
>> Intrinsic means built in at a deep, almost emotional level.
>>
>> There seems to be some intrinsically built into me that loves motorcycles.
>>
>> Debate is intrinsically built into John Colby!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 July 2014 09:43, Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk > wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > When you write, say about a code library:
>> >
>> >    Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 
>> > and
>> uint64.
>> >
>> > does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple?
>> > And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external?
>> >
>> > /gustav
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-VB mailing list
>>  dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb
>>  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Dec 15 12:29:48 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:29:48 +0000
Subject: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice
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Hi all

What is the preferred syntax for this? A trailing slash or not after the path?
For example:

    http://someapi.org/api/?key=122696&country=dk

or:

    http://someapi.org/api?key=122696&country=dk

I think the first, but in various examples I've seen the last.

/gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 16 05:41:26 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:41:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice
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Hi all

I found out to search for "URL" and  "syntax" and that quickly revealed that the last is correct.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 15. december 2014 19:30
Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. (dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com)
Emne: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice

Hi all

What is the preferred syntax for this? A trailing slash or not after the path?
For example:

    http://someapi.org/api/?key=122696&country=dk

or:

    http://someapi.org/api?key=122696&country=dk

I think the first, but in various examples I've seen the last.

/gustav 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 16 10:57:03 2014
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:57:03 +0300
Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?URL_syntax_for_a_webservice?=
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 Hi Gustav --

Yes, I personally prefer to use the last format but here is a real life example where Microsoft uses the first format on web page:

http://aspnet.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/latest#Samples/WebApi/CustomActionSelector/ReadMe.txt ?

" This sample is provided as part of the ASP.NET Web Stack sample repository at
http://aspnet.codeplex.com/

For more information about the samples, please see
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=261487 "


But the last format? http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?LinkId=261487 ? would also work.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:41:26 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi all
>
>I found out to search for "URL" and  "syntax" and that quickly revealed that the last is correct.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
>Sendt: 15. december 2014 19:30
>Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. (dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com)
>Emne: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice
>
>Hi all
>
>What is the preferred syntax for this? A trailing slash or not after the path?
>For example:
>
>???? http://someapi.org/api/?key=122696&country=dk
>
>or:
>
>???? http://someapi.org/api?key=122696&country=dk
>
>I think the first, but in various examples I've seen the last.
>
>/gustav 
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 16 20:21:43 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:21:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice
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or not...

The first part is the actual address:

ie.  http://someapi.org/api 

...and the second part, preceded with a "?" are the list of parameters, each parced by a "&" being passed to the following page:

ie. ?key=122696&country=dk

Note: some say the the trailing slash "/" should be added address, for security purposed but there is no agreement on this.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. (dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com)" <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:29:48 AM
Subject: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice

Hi all

What is the preferred syntax for this? A trailing slash or not after the path?
For example:

    http://someapi.org/api/?key=122696&country=dk

or:

    http://someapi.org/api?key=122696&country=dk

I think the first, but in various examples I've seen the last.

/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 17 02:33:25 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:33:25 +0000
Subject: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice
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Hi Shamil and Jim

I tested a few places, and it seems like most web servers are quite relaxed regarding this - both formats seem to be accepted.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 16. december 2014 17:57
Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Emne: Re: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, I personally prefer to use the last format but here is a real life example where Microsoft uses the first format on web page:

http://aspnet.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/latest#Samples/WebApi/CustomActionSelector/ReadMe.txt ?

" This sample is provided as part of the ASP.NET Web Stack sample repository at http://aspnet.codeplex.com/

For more information about the samples, please see
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=261487 "


But the last format? http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?LinkId=261487 ? would also work.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:41:26 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi all
>
>I found out to search for "URL" and  "syntax" and that quickly revealed that the last is correct.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P  vegne af Gustav Brock
>Sendt: 15. december 2014 19:30
>Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. 
>(dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com)
>Emne: [dba-VB] URL syntax for a webservice
>
>Hi all
>
>What is the preferred syntax for this? A trailing slash or not after the path?
>For example:
>
>???? http://someapi.org/api/?key=122696&country=dk
>
>or:
>
>???? http://someapi.org/api?key=122696&country=dk
>
>I think the first, but in various examples I've seen the last.
>
>/gustav