From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jul 15 03:43:55 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:43:55 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? Message-ID: <224c3e96b3cb4021a2075e7b1c2e3636@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Hi all When you write, say about a code library: Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and uint64. does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple? And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external? /gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jul 15 12:25:14 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:25:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?English_understanding=3A_Intrinsic=3F?= In-Reply-To: <224c3e96b3cb4021a2075e7b1c2e3636@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: <224c3e96b3cb4021a2075e7b1c2e3636@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1405445114.526008690@f314.i.mail.ru> HI Gustav -- The opposite would be called "explicit" in my English :) -- Shamail Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:43:55 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi all > >When you write, say about a code library: > >???Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and uint64. > >does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple? >And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external? > >/gustav >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jul 15 12:49:19 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 17:49:19 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? In-Reply-To: <1405445114.526008690@f314.i.mail.ru> References: <224c3e96b3cb4021a2075e7b1c2e3636@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>, <1405445114.526008690@f314.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1405446554545.4280@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Ha ha, but the opposite of that - in my English - would be "implicit" which is quite different. I think we need some native guidance here ... /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 15. juli 2014 19:25 Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Emne: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? HI Gustav -- The opposite would be called "explicit" in my English :) -- Shamail Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:43:55 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi all > >When you write, say about a code library: > >???Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and uint64. > >does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple? >And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external? > >/gustav >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 14:31:20 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:31:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? In-Reply-To: <224c3e96b3cb4021a2075e7b1c2e3636@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: <224c3e96b3cb4021a2075e7b1c2e3636@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I am struggling to say why I would not use that word to describe the variables in a system. I like the description here including the additional example sentences. Religion might be used with that word. Culture might be. Deep emotional things may be intrinsic. Making money is intrinsic to MS Helping others might be intrinsic to open source communities. I would not say "atomic transactions are intrinsic to MS SQL Server". Why not?? Somehow, it is not the right meaning, sql server does not believe it its heart that atomic transactions are important, they are just how it is built. Safety is not intrinsic in the bridge, Safety is intrinsic to the city that is building the new bridge. Any help ? Intrinsic means built in at a deep, almost emotional level. There seems to be some intrinsically built into me that loves motorcycles. Debate is intrinsically built into John Colby! Mark On 15 July 2014 09:43, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > When you write, say about a code library: > > Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and > uint64. > > does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple? > And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external? > > /gustav > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jul 16 02:44:21 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 07:44:21 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? Message-ID: <6986bb8bc9e6442bb7a9584637146d5a@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Hi Mark Thanks, it makes much more sense now. However, given that explanation, my quote now makes less sense: > Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and uint64. as the morphing is rather a built-in feature of the library, I guess. Without that feature the library would still be useful, you would just have to handle the morphing otherwise. Except, of course, if the author himself find this feature essential and would regard the library as crippled without the feature. Perhaps that is what he means. I could ask. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen Sendt: 15. juli 2014 21:31 Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Emne: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? Hello All, I am struggling to say why I would not use that word to describe the variables in a system. I like the description here including the additional example sentences. Religion might be used with that word. Culture might be. Deep emotional things may be intrinsic. Making money is intrinsic to MS Helping others might be intrinsic to open source communities. I would not say "atomic transactions are intrinsic to MS SQL Server". Why not?? Somehow, it is not the right meaning, sql server does not believe it its heart that atomic transactions are important, they are just how it is built. Safety is not intrinsic in the bridge, Safety is intrinsic to the city that is building the new bridge. Any help ? Intrinsic means built in at a deep, almost emotional level. There seems to be some intrinsically built into me that loves motorcycles. Debate is intrinsically built into John Colby! Mark On 15 July 2014 09:43, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > When you write, say about a code library: > > Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and uint64. > > does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple? > And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external? > > /gustav From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 14:27:36 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:27:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? In-Reply-To: <6986bb8bc9e6442bb7a9584637146d5a@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: <6986bb8bc9e6442bb7a9584637146d5a@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hi Gustav, well it is a matter of opinion and taste, it is a subtle word with subtle meanings, if you found out that the author first language was not english, I would not be surprised, and if you told me he went to Cambridge and is an english expert, I would also not be surprised. If I wanted to write plain ol' english to explain a point, I would consider other words such as built-in automatic immediate direct inherent implicit my wife always says: "its not the one way we all go, says the woman as she kissed her cow" :) Mark On 16 July 2014 08:44, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > Thanks, it makes much more sense now. > However, given that explanation, my quote now makes less sense: > > > Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and > uint64. > > as the morphing is rather a built-in feature of the library, I guess. > Without that feature the library would still be useful, you would just have > to handle the morphing otherwise. > Except, of course, if the author himself find this feature essential and > would regard the library as crippled without the feature. Perhaps that is > what he means. I could ask. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen > Sendt: 15. juli 2014 21:31 > Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Emne: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? > > Hello All, > > I am struggling to say why I would not use that word to describe the > variables in a system. > > I like the description here > > including the additional example sentences. > > Religion might be used with that word. > Culture might be. > Deep emotional things may be intrinsic. > > Making money is intrinsic to MS > Helping others might be intrinsic to open source communities. > > I would not say "atomic transactions are intrinsic to MS SQL Server". > > Why not?? Somehow, it is not the right meaning, sql server does not > believe it its heart that atomic transactions are important, they are just > how it is built. > > Safety is not intrinsic in the bridge, > Safety is intrinsic to the city that is building the new bridge. > > > Any help ? > > Intrinsic means built in at a deep, almost emotional level. > > There seems to be some intrinsically built into me that loves motorcycles. > > Debate is intrinsically built into John Colby! > > Mark > > > > On 15 July 2014 09:43, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > When you write, say about a code library: > > > > Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and > uint64. > > > > does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple? > > And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external? > > > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 18 15:34:31 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:34:31 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? In-Reply-To: References: <6986bb8bc9e6442bb7a9584637146d5a@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>, Message-ID: Thanks Mark, you have a wise wife! /gustav Sendt fra min Nokia Lumia ________________________________ Fra: Mark Breen Sendt: ?18-?07-?2014 21:28 Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Emne: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? Hi Gustav, well it is a matter of opinion and taste, it is a subtle word with subtle meanings, if you found out that the author first language was not english, I would not be surprised, and if you told me he went to Cambridge and is an english expert, I would also not be surprised. If I wanted to write plain ol' english to explain a point, I would consider other words such as built-in automatic immediate direct inherent implicit my wife always says: "its not the one way we all go, says the woman as she kissed her cow" :) Mark On 16 July 2014 08:44, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > Thanks, it makes much more sense now. > However, given that explanation, my quote now makes less sense: > > > Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and > uint64. > > as the morphing is rather a built-in feature of the library, I guess. > Without that feature the library would still be useful, you would just have > to handle the morphing otherwise. > Except, of course, if the author himself find this feature essential and > would regard the library as crippled without the feature. Perhaps that is > what he means. I could ask. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen > Sendt: 15. juli 2014 21:31 > Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Emne: Re: [dba-VB] English understanding: Intrinsic? > > Hello All, > > I am struggling to say why I would not use that word to describe the > variables in a system. > > I like the description here > > including the additional example sentences. > > Religion might be used with that word. > Culture might be. > Deep emotional things may be intrinsic. > > Making money is intrinsic to MS > Helping others might be intrinsic to open source communities. > > I would not say "atomic transactions are intrinsic to MS SQL Server". > > Why not?? Somehow, it is not the right meaning, sql server does not > believe it its heart that atomic transactions are important, they are just > how it is built. > > Safety is not intrinsic in the bridge, > Safety is intrinsic to the city that is building the new bridge. > > > Any help ? > > Intrinsic means built in at a deep, almost emotional level. > > There seems to be some intrinsically built into me that loves motorcycles. > > Debate is intrinsically built into John Colby! > > Mark > > > > On 15 July 2014 09:43, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > When you write, say about a code library: > > > > Intrinsic morphing for byte, sbyte, char, int16, uint16, uint32 and > uint64. > > > > does intrinsic here just mean built-in or internal or is that too simple? > > And what is the opposite? Extrinsic or external? > > > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com