From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Feb 1 13:37:28 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 12:37:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] Connecting to a IIS 8 web site programmatically using C# In-Reply-To: <1422526818.266962790@f53.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <882391017.113146655.1422819448146.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Shamil: That is an interesting question. I have no experience along those lines but would welcome information and/or link to a good source. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Thursday, 29 January, 2015 2:20:18 AM Subject: [dba-VB] Connecting to a IIS 8 web site programmatically using C# Hi All -- When using IIS 8 Manager program I can connect to a remote site (IIS: FIle -> Connect to a Site...) specifying: - Server Name (say 134.211.115.7) and ?? - Site Name ? ? ?(say MyTestSite.hosting.web.biz) in the first dialog window "Connect to SIte: Specify Site Connection Details". ?Then clicking [Next] button and providing credentials - User name and - Password in the second dialog window. Question: How to implement a similar IIS 7/8 site connection procedure by using C#/VB.NET code? FYI: while googling for the subject I have found a lot of C# samples on how to Automate IIS management but none of them provided a working code for managing remote web sites. Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Mon Feb 16 08:35:58 2015 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:35:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Add New List for Visual Studio? Message-ID: Everyone: I'd like to suggest adding a new list. This would be named dba-VS, for Visual Studio. A lot of us are now programming using what is MS's primary development tool, and I think this warrants a specific list. Any thoughts? Thanks! Dan From jeff.developer at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 09:10:44 2015 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:10:44 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-Tech] Add New List for Visual Studio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A7896E4-1962-4C47-9FC5-76A8CF186E84@gmail.com> First of all, I want to state that I am not opposed to this idea, but I think we had discussed this before and decided to use the DBA-vb list for visual studio until/unless there was a need for a separate list? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > > Everyone: > > > > I'd like to suggest adding a new list. This would be named dba-VS, for > Visual Studio. > > > > A lot of us are now programming using what is MS's primary development tool, > and I think this warrants a specific list. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 13:12:03 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:12:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition Message-ID: <54EB7B83.1080103@gmail.com> How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's time to move up? I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). Holy smoke batman! I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. -- John W. Colby From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Feb 24 03:27:42 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:27:42 +0300 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_community_edition?= In-Reply-To: <54EB7B83.1080103@gmail.com> References: <54EB7B83.1080103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424770062.321334458@f373.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- I'm using VS 2012, and I'm currently waiting for VS2015 to be released soon. As for SVN, I'd propose to use Git instead of it especially if you're planning to have your version control sever running on Linux :) Thank you. -- Shamil Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" : >How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in >2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's >time to move up? > >I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). >Holy smoke batman! > >I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying >to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to >that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that >I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a >client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. > >BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this >kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. > >-- >John W. Colby > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Feb 24 15:43:40 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:43:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1424770062.321334458@f373.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1080899923.8384307.1424814220210.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> An aside: It seems that the latest version of ASP.Net, even though it is fighting a reputation of being a slow server programming language (PHP and Ruby would also be considered slugs without their compilers), it is being opened to the public and it might be an interesting addition to a skill portfolio: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/introducing-asp-net-5 Its default IDE is VS of course. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:27:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition Hi John -- I'm using VS 2012, and I'm currently waiting for VS2015 to be released soon. As for SVN, I'd propose to use Git instead of it especially if you're planning to have your version control sever running on Linux :) Thank you. -- Shamil Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" : >How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in >2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's >time to move up? > >I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). >Holy smoke batman! > >I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying >to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to >that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that >I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a >client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. > >BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this >kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. > >-- >John W. Colby > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jeff.developer at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 08:15:59 2015 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:15:59 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] ASP.net Website Publishing Message-ID: <916EBB83-854A-426A-85FC-AFFD61C1ACD9@gmail.com> Does anyone know if I can move a published website? I have published the website to my test site on my production server and need to move it to my production site. I would like to just copy and paste it, if I can. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Feb 25 09:01:19 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:01:19 +0300 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?ASP=2Enet_Website_Publishing?= In-Reply-To: <916EBB83-854A-426A-85FC-AFFD61C1ACD9@gmail.com> References: <916EBB83-854A-426A-85FC-AFFD61C1ACD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424876479.194154817@f407.i.mail.ru> Hi Jeff -- Yes, you can "copy & paste" your ASP.NET Web site, but web.config changes could be also needed. -- Shamil Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:15 AM -06:00 from Jeff Barrows : >Does anyone know if I can move a published website? I have published the >website to my test site on my production server and need to move it to my >production site. I would like to just copy and paste it, if I can. > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 16:06:05 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:06:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1424770062.321334458@f373.i.mail.ru> References: <54EB7B83.1080103@gmail.com> <1424770062.321334458@f373.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <54EE474D.8040901@gmail.com> Can Git be integrated into VS? John W. Colby On 2/24/2015 4:27 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > I'm using VS 2012, and I'm currently waiting for VS2015 to be released soon. > > As for SVN, I'd propose to use Git instead of it especially if you're planning to have your version control sever running on Linux :) > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" : >> How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in >> 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's >> time to move up? >> >> I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). >> Holy smoke batman! >> >> I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying >> to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to >> that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that >> I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a >> client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. >> >> BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this >> kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Feb 25 19:38:32 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:38:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] So what is Azure? In-Reply-To: <1424770062.321334458@f373.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <320268090.9633267.1424914712189.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> I have wondered what Microsoft's Azure is designed on and for those interested the following article explains: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/02/19/ubuntu-hortonworks-and-microsoft-big-data-hosted-solution Azure = of course one part Microsoft and one part Ubuntu Linux and one part Apache's Hadoop (big data management structure). The manager and Cloud designer will be from Ubuntu's Juju...a product which may be worth further investigation: https://jujucharms.com Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Feb 26 03:03:22 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:03:22 +0300 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_community_edition?= In-Reply-To: <54EE474D.8040901@gmail.com> References: <54EB7B83.1080103@gmail.com> <1424770062.321334458@f373.i.mail.ru> <54EE474D.8040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424941402.297630086@f400.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- Here they talk about using Git from within VS: http://www.microsoftvirtualacademy.com/training-courses/using-git-with-visual-studio-2013-jump-start -- Shamil Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:06 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" : >Can Git be integrated into VS? > >John W. Colby > >On 2/24/2015 4:27 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> Hi John -- >> >> I'm using VS 2012, and I'm currently waiting for VS2015 to be released soon. >> >> As for SVN, I'd propose to use Git instead of it especially if you're planning to have your version control sever running on Linux :) >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" < jwcolby at gmail.com >: >>> How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in >>> 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's >>> time to move up? >>> >>> I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). >>> Holy smoke batman! >>> >>> I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying >>> to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to >>> that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that >>> I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a >>> client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. >>> >>> BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this >>> kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 26 13:57:33 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:57:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1424941402.297630086@f400.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <674141648.10354884.1424980653762.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> If you are in the computer coder business today, your Github account has replaced your CV or website. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:03:22 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition Hi John -- Here they talk about using Git from within VS: http://www.microsoftvirtualacademy.com/training-courses/using-git-with-visual-studio-2013-jump-start -- Shamil Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:06 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" : >Can Git be integrated into VS? > >John W. Colby > >On 2/24/2015 4:27 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> Hi John -- >> >> I'm using VS 2012, and I'm currently waiting for VS2015 to be released soon. >> >> As for SVN, I'd propose to use Git instead of it especially if you're planning to have your version control sever running on Linux :) >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" < jwcolby at gmail.com >: >>> How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in >>> 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's >>> time to move up? >>> >>> I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). >>> Holy smoke batman! >>> >>> I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying >>> to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to >>> that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that >>> I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a >>> client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. >>> >>> BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this >>> kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 26 15:51:40 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:51:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] ASP.net Website Publishing In-Reply-To: <916EBB83-854A-426A-85FC-AFFD61C1ACD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2034509188.10479410.1424987500077.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> "wget" is a great simple command line option for extracting an entire website, to the current directory, with all the subdirectories intact. Example: wget http://MyWebSite.com/ Of course there are many options and parameters you can use so you can extract just what you want. The following link is for Linux but there is a Windows equivalent. http://www.kossboss.com/linux---wget-full-website Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Barrows" To: "Dba-Vb" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 6:15:59 AM Subject: [dba-VB] ASP.net Website Publishing Does anyone know if I can move a published website? I have published the website to my test site on my production server and need to move it to my production site. I would like to just copy and paste it, if I can. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 15:55:08 2015 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:55:08 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1424941402.297630086@f400.i.mail.ru> References: <54EB7B83.1080103@gmail.com> <1424770062.321334458@f373.i.mail.ru> <54EE474D.8040901@gmail.com> <1424941402.297630086@f400.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hello All just to add that that git is free, running it on your own local server(s) if totally free. On 26 February 2015 at 09:03, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > Here they talk about using Git from within VS: > > > http://www.microsoftvirtualacademy.com/training-courses/using-git-with-visual-studio-2013-jump-start > > -- Shamil > > > Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:06 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" < > jwcolby at gmail.com>: > >Can Git be integrated into VS? > > > >John W. Colby > > > >On 2/24/2015 4:27 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >> Hi John -- > >> > >> I'm using VS 2012, and I'm currently waiting for VS2015 to be released > soon. > >> > >> As for SVN, I'd propose to use Git instead of it especially if you're > planning to have your version control sever running on Linux :) > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> -- Shamil > >> > >> > >> Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" < > jwcolby at gmail.com >: > >>> How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in > >>> 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's > >>> time to move up? > >>> > >>> I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). > >>> Holy smoke batman! > >>> > >>> I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and > trying > >>> to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to > >>> that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that > >>> I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for > a > >>> client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my > office. > >>> > >>> BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this > >>> kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> John W. Colby > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-VB mailing list > >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-VB mailing list > >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Feb 26 16:17:50 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:17:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <54EB7B83.1080103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> It sounds like an excellent rig. It seems straight forward in how to setup a SVN server/Totoise client but I am assuming you want merged functionality running across both platforms...is this correct? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "DBA Tech" , dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:12:03 AM Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's time to move up? I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). Holy smoke batman! I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. -- John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 17:14:28 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:14:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <54EFA8D4.70706@gmail.com> >>It sounds like an excellent rig. I hand built my Linux Mint desktop / server using a hex core AMD with 24 gigs RAM, and am about to bring up an 8 TB raid 5 storage on that machine as well, to provide large redundant storage for all my stuff. I am trying to run MariaDB on that, which is installed and running but I cannot get logged into. Sigh. I also want it to host all of my code repositories, out on the RAID array when that is working. >>...but I am assuming you want merged functionality running across both platforms...is this correct? Uhhh... yes. I think. I got SVN Server running on the Linux box the other day. I will be trying to use it for Visual Studio, running on my laptop, which is ATM my main dev machine. I may also be using it for Eclipse running on the Linux Mint desktop / server which I will use to cross compile to Single Board Computers (SBCs) such as the BeagleBone Black, Odroid-C1 (both of which I have already) and Raspberry Pi 2 B+ (which I am about to order). OTOH I also need to start learning / using GIT as well, so I may host my own GIT on the Linux desktop / server. Depending on how that goes, I may well simply move to GIT. This is all somewhat convoluted as some of my projects are private, and GIT in the wild is free but only for public projects, thus I would need to host my own GIT repository - assuming that is free as well. At the same time, I am starting to work on a public team doing a game (in C++) on the Raspberry PI 2 so I also need to be able to use the web based GIT repository used by that team. It is a reasonably powerful machine and will end up being the center of my Linux SBC development universe. All of those SBCs run Linux exclusively so if I am going to go there (and that is my future focus) then I pretty much have to make a pretty major switch. Learn Linux, C++, tool chains, Eclipse IDE, cross compilation etc. Just a lot to figure out. I thought Visual Studio and C# was pretty major, which coming from Microsoft Access it was. John W. Colby On 2/26/2015 5:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It sounds like an excellent rig. > > It seems straight forward in how to setup a SVN server/Totoise client but I am assuming you want merged functionality running across both platforms...is this correct? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "DBA Tech" , dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:12:03 AM > Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition > > How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in > 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's > time to move up? > > I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). > Holy smoke batman! > > I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying > to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to > that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that > I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a > client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. > > BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this > kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Feb 27 07:58:00 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:58:00 +0300 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_community_edition?= In-Reply-To: <54EFA8D4.70706@gmail.com> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <54EFA8D4.70706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- Just Do it: I mean to start learning/using git you don't need your own local git server - you can just use BitBucket's one for free: As I have noted I'm using BitBucket for more than two years now, and I have 900+ commits to its repository, I have never had any issues. I'm using Mercurial (usage of Mercurial was not quite correct choice of mine, I'm planning to switch to Git) - here is a command line I have been using 900+ times during last two+ years to commit changes in 50+ VS Solutions with thousands of source files: "C:\Program Files\TortoiseHg\hg.exe" push https://{{BitBucketLogin}}:{{BitBucketPassword}}@bitbucket.org/{{BitBucketLogin}}/{{BitBucketRepository}} There should be similar for git. Actual size of my source repository: 52 solutions (.sln); 278 projects (.csproj); 6281 C# files(.cs); 11,174 avg .cs file length; 70,184,924 total .cs files length; Total size: 1.8 GB; 43,433 files; 8, 550 folders; And this repository isn't the only one. HTH, -- Shamil Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:14 PM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" : >>>It sounds like an excellent rig. > >I hand built my Linux Mint desktop / server using a hex core AMD with 24 >gigs RAM, and am about to bring up an 8 TB raid 5 storage on that >machine as well, to provide large redundant storage for all my stuff. I >am trying to run MariaDB on that, which is installed and running but I >cannot get logged into. Sigh. I also want it to host all of my code >repositories, out on the RAID array when that is working. > >?>>...but I am assuming you want merged functionality running across >both platforms...is this correct? > >Uhhh... yes. I think. > >I got SVN Server running on the Linux box the other day. I will be >trying to use it for Visual Studio, running on my laptop, which is ATM >my main dev machine. I may also be using it for Eclipse running on the >Linux Mint desktop / server which I will use to cross compile to Single >Board Computers (SBCs) such as the BeagleBone Black, Odroid-C1 (both of >which I have already) and Raspberry Pi 2 B+ (which I am about to order). > >OTOH I also need to start learning / using GIT as well, so I may host my >own GIT on the Linux desktop / server. Depending on how that goes, I >may well simply move to GIT. This is all somewhat convoluted as some of >my projects are private, and GIT in the wild is free but only for public >projects, thus I would need to host my own GIT repository - assuming >that is free as well. At the same time, I am starting to work on a >public team doing a game (in C++) on the Raspberry PI 2 so I also need >to be able to use the web based GIT repository used by that team. > >??It is a reasonably powerful machine and will end up being the center >of my Linux SBC development universe. All of those SBCs run Linux >exclusively so if I am going to go there (and that is my future focus) >then I pretty much have to make a pretty major switch. > >Learn Linux, C++, tool chains, Eclipse IDE, cross compilation etc. Just >a lot to figure out. > >I thought Visual Studio and C# was pretty major, which coming from >Microsoft Access it was. > >John W. Colby > >On 2/26/2015 5:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> It sounds like an excellent rig. >> >> It seems straight forward in how to setup a SVN server/Totoise client but I am assuming you want merged functionality running across both platforms...is this correct? >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John W. Colby" < jwcolby at gmail.com > >> To: "DBA Tech" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >, dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:12:03 AM >> Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition >> >> How many of you guys / gals are using this? I have been developing in >> 2010 for years (about 5 to be precise) and have decided perhaps it's >> time to move up? >> >> I have to laugh, VS 2013 wants "up to 10 gb" on my local hard drive(s). >> Holy smoke batman! >> >> I am in the process of setting up SVN server on my Linux box, and trying >> to get Tortoise client and VisualSVN running on my laptop talking to >> that Linux VSN server here in my office. I have a virtual machine that >> I have used exclusively for my dev work, but that is really set up for a >> client's development, and I want the same kind of thing here in my office. >> >> BTW I just ordered (3) 4 TB drives to build a Raid 5 array to put this >> kind of stuff on. As well as my photos and other such things. >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 10:09:29 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <54EFA8D4.70706@gmail.com> <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <54F096B9.6020906@gmail.com> I have been using Tortoise / SVN on Visual Studio for about the last 5 years. VS has an integrated VisualSVN toolbar and just works. I have only developed one app but it was a biggie. 24 classes. Not sure how many lines total, not sure how to get that info. My guess would be 10K or more. 134 puts over the years. I use this app to run my business for one client, automating extracting 500 million records a month from SQL Server out into 500K record text files, feeding them off to virtual machines for processing, and then importing only the the changed records back into SQL Server. As you can imagine, doing that by hand would be impossible. SVN has been functioning flawlessly for my purposes, however I am moving to programming in and for Linux so I have to learn some new tricks. John W. Colby On 2/27/2015 8:58 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > Just Do it: I mean to start learning/using git you don't need your own local git server - you can just use BitBucket's one for free: > > As I have noted I'm using BitBucket for more than two years now, and I have 900+ commits to its repository, I have never had any issues. > I'm using Mercurial (usage of Mercurial was not quite correct choice of mine, I'm planning to switch to Git) - here is a command line I have been using 900+ times during last two+ years to commit changes in 50+ VS Solutions with thousands of source files: > > "C:\Program Files\TortoiseHg\hg.exe" push https://{{BitBucketLogin}}:{{BitBucketPassword}}@bitbucket.org/{{BitBucketLogin}}/{{BitBucketRepository}} > > There should be similar for git. > > Actual size of my source repository: > > 52 solutions (.sln); > 278 projects (.csproj); > 6281 C# files(.cs); > 11,174 avg .cs file length; > 70,184,924 total .cs files length; > > Total size: > 1.8 GB; > 43,433 files; > 8, 550 folders; And this repository isn't the only one. > > > HTH, > -- Shamil > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Feb 28 02:14:21 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:14:21 +0300 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Visual_Studio_community_edition?= In-Reply-To: <54F096B9.6020906@gmail.com> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> <54F096B9.6020906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1425111261.729657599@f408.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application development story. Is it up&running? No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? As for Git and VS, look at/try to use GitExt ( https://code.google.com/p/gitextensions/ ). It's used by many VS developers AFAIK. I have used it too for a while while contacting with some of Umbraco ( http://umbraco.com/ ) ?devs. And when I will switch from Mercurial to Git I will probably use it as the main Git UI. I have it (GitExt) currently integrated into VS 2012, and I suppose that its integrated version/add-in should be also available for VS 2013. You know, Git has a different "philosophy"/development workflow than SVN. The core Git idea/feature is branching - if properly applied it allows you to keep all your code versions whatever "experimenting in code" you'll do. Also Git is a distributed source version control system. So you can keep most of your branching/experimenting locally (backing up local repository regularly somewhere for safety) and commit updates to the central Git repository/server by using so called pull-requests,??which aren't applied immediately to the common code base but can be reviewed and only then safely applied?( https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests/ ). It's all a very different story than SVN, and IMO it's much more suitable for the modern software development: it's no coincidence that *even* Microsoft is using and promoting Git nowadays.... Thank you. -- Shamil Friday, February 27, 2015 11:09 AM -05:00 from "John W. Colby" : >I have been using Tortoise / SVN on Visual Studio for about the last 5 >years. VS has an integrated VisualSVN toolbar and just works. I have >only developed one app but it was a biggie. 24 classes. Not sure how >many lines total, not sure how to get that info. My guess would be 10K >or more. 134 puts over the years. > >I use this app to run my business for one client, automating extracting >500 million records a month from SQL Server out into 500K record text >files, feeding them off to virtual machines for processing, and then >importing only the the changed records back into SQL Server. As you can >imagine, doing that by hand would be impossible. > >SVN has been functioning flawlessly for my purposes, however I am moving >to programming in and for Linux so I have to learn some new tricks. > >John W. Colby <<< skipped >>> > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 09:32:46 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:32:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1425111261.729657599@f408.i.mail.ru> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> <54F096B9.6020906@gmail.com> <1425111261.729657599@f408.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <54F1DF9E.4090701@gmail.com> >>Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application development story. Is it up&running? It is up and running. I have been using it for years. >>No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? I would love to migrate it to MariaDB, however the C# code was written to target SQL Server specifically. The bigger problem is that the database is used to pull data sets for sale. I have an entire template database that I copy for each client order, and that template database has defined tables, views and stored procedures that I use to fill the order. Once the order is filled, the order database becomes a history of what was done to fill the order, as well as a history of records not to be sold again should the client order another data set. In the end there is simply no compelling reason to make the move. Yet. The compelling reason long term is that the SQL Server is hosted on Windows 2008, and SQL Server itself is 2008 as well. As we know, MS likes to force us to upgrade by dropping support (including bug / security fixes). I don't know if you have ever looked, but licenses for new versions are EXPENSIVE!!! Particularly for tiny companies. So someday, in the next few years, I will likely be forced to do something. I am in fact trying to get MariaDB running on my Linux Mint server / workstation here at my office. Sadly, doing anything in Linux is a serious exercise in frustration compared to doing the equivalent in Windows. MariaDB is installed. I can't log in. Breaking in as the root user isn't working as the Google search says it should. I have an old Areca RAID controller which has to be firmware updated to work with the modern drives larger than 2 tb size. In Windows, that involves downloading the file and using a program from Areca to find a firmware file and upgrade. Dead simple. The same exact process is required for Linux except... Since I am just bringing this card up for the first time (in Linux) I have to start from scratch installing drivers, installing the software etc. That involves figuring out what version of Linux... downloading the right thing from Areca... Typing in loads of crap in the command window... dealing with the inevitable (and I do mean inevitable) error messages. So a simple (in Windows) 15 minute install turns into an hours long exercise in frustration (all of last night), and this morning the Areca card and three spanking new 3 tb drives are still a useless paperweight hooked up to the Linux machine. For some reason, the Linux crowd seems to think this is supposed to be fun??? I have PILES of work backed up behind "simple" (on Windows) things that just aren't progressing on Linux Mint. Something always goes wrong somewhere. And figuring it out ALWAYS starts with "what version of Linux" and goes downhill from there. Google (And SUDO, and the command window for GOD's sake) is my friend. Except the last two are only very uneasy allies. In my opinion the core of the Linux problem is simply that with so many distros out there, no company selling into the Linux environment can do anything in a consistent manner because nothing works the same on every distro. And so the poor guy (me) trying to get anything done is tasked with sorting it all out for the specific distro chosen. Linux is supposed to be free. The problem is that the Linux cost is in all the stunningly stupid crap that has to be figured out to get anything more than the simplest install done. And all that comes BEFORE, and stands in the way of, actually getting any work done. Boy did that end up off-topic or what? My frustration is showing. On a lighter note, I have come to the conclusion that approximately 50% of ALL the internet content is "how to" articles for getting stuff done in Linux. ;) John W. Colby On 2/28/2015 3:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application development story. Is it up&running? No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 28 09:47:39 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:47:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <54F1DF9E.4090701@gmail.com> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> <54F096B9.6020906@gmail.com> <1425111261.729657599@f408.i.mail.ru>,<54F1DF9E.4090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1425138459041.24805@cactus.dk> Hi John I may have missed something but is potential licensing cost the only reason why you are up to this Linux challenge? /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af John W. Colby Sendt: 28. februar 2015 16:32 Til: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Emne: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition >>Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application development story. Is it up&running? It is up and running. I have been using it for years. >>No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? I would love to migrate it to MariaDB, however the C# code was written to target SQL Server specifically. The bigger problem is that the database is used to pull data sets for sale. I have an entire template database that I copy for each client order, and that template database has defined tables, views and stored procedures that I use to fill the order. Once the order is filled, the order database becomes a history of what was done to fill the order, as well as a history of records not to be sold again should the client order another data set. In the end there is simply no compelling reason to make the move. Yet. The compelling reason long term is that the SQL Server is hosted on Windows 2008, and SQL Server itself is 2008 as well. As we know, MS likes to force us to upgrade by dropping support (including bug / security fixes). I don't know if you have ever looked, but licenses for new versions are EXPENSIVE!!! Particularly for tiny companies. So someday, in the next few years, I will likely be forced to do something. I am in fact trying to get MariaDB running on my Linux Mint server / workstation here at my office. Sadly, doing anything in Linux is a serious exercise in frustration compared to doing the equivalent in Windows. MariaDB is installed. I can't log in. Breaking in as the root user isn't working as the Google search says it should. I have an old Areca RAID controller which has to be firmware updated to work with the modern drives larger than 2 tb size. In Windows, that involves downloading the file and using a program from Areca to find a firmware file and upgrade. Dead simple. The same exact process is required for Linux except... Since I am just bringing this card up for the first time (in Linux) I have to start from scratch installing drivers, installing the software etc. That involves figuring out what version of Linux... downloading the right thing from Areca... Typing in loads of crap in the command window... dealing with the inevitable (and I do mean inevitable) error messages. So a simple (in Windows) 15 minute install turns into an hours long exercise in frustration (all of last night), and this morning the Areca card and three spanking new 3 tb drives are still a useless paperweight hooked up to the Linux machine. For some reason, the Linux crowd seems to think this is supposed to be fun??? I have PILES of work backed up behind "simple" (on Windows) things that just aren't progressing on Linux Mint. Something always goes wrong somewhere. And figuring it out ALWAYS starts with "what version of Linux" and goes downhill from there. Google (And SUDO, and the command window for GOD's sake) is my friend. Except the last two are only very uneasy allies. In my opinion the core of the Linux problem is simply that with so many distros out there, no company selling into the Linux environment can do anything in a consistent manner because nothing works the same on every distro. And so the poor guy (me) trying to get anything done is tasked with sorting it all out for the specific distro chosen. Linux is supposed to be free. The problem is that the Linux cost is in all the stunningly stupid crap that has to be figured out to get anything more than the simplest install done. And all that comes BEFORE, and stands in the way of, actually getting any work done. Boy did that end up off-topic or what? My frustration is showing. On a lighter note, I have come to the conclusion that approximately 50% of ALL the internet content is "how to" articles for getting stuff done in Linux. ;) John W. Colby From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 10:16:00 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:16:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <1425138459041.24805@cactus.dk> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> <54F096B9.6020906@gmail.com> <1425111261.729657599@f408.i.mail.ru>, <54F1DF9E.4090701@gmail.com> <1425138459041.24805@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <54F1E9C0.2050804@gmail.com> >>is potential licensing cost the only reason No. It is major though. This client is a little virtual company. He supports about 6 people total, spread out over the Atlantic NE. As a developer I acquired a bunch of licenses through various channels which I have used to support my business, and thus his business. At some point however he has to stand on his own. So the licensing costs are not trivial to him. As an example, I custom (hand) built a SQL Server back in around 2008. MS SWORE that they would NEVER charge on a per core basis. So I purchased and assembled an AMD based machine with two processors and 16 cores (8 cores per chip), looking at replacing each chip with 12 or 16 core chips as required, to end up with a 24 or 32 core SQL Server. SQL Server likes cores!!! Well guess what, MS changed their tune and now charges PER CORE. So to buy (not upgrade) his own SQL Server license would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 THOUSAND dollars for the current 16 core server. PLUS OS licenses, plus... Ooooops. So while licensing costs are not the only consideration, they are $100 K worth of the considerations. And that is really just the start. For a bank or a car manufacturer, $100K+ is chump change. For a small business, not so chump. John W. Colby On 2/28/2015 10:47 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I may have missed something but is potential licensing cost the only reason why you are up to this Linux challenge? > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af John W. Colby > Sendt: 28. februar 2015 16:32 > Til: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Emne: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition > > >>Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application > development story. Is it up&running? > > It is up and running. I have been using it for years. > > >>No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? > > I would love to migrate it to MariaDB, however the C# code was written > to target SQL Server specifically. The bigger problem is that the > database is used to pull data sets for sale. I have an entire template > database that I copy for each client order, and that template database > has defined tables, views and stored procedures that I use to fill the > order. Once the order is filled, the order database becomes a history > of what was done to fill the order, as well as a history of records not > to be sold again should the client order another data set. > > In the end there is simply no compelling reason to make the move. Yet. > > The compelling reason long term is that the SQL Server is hosted on > Windows 2008, and SQL Server itself is 2008 as well. As we know, MS > likes to force us to upgrade by dropping support (including bug / > security fixes). I don't know if you have ever looked, but licenses for > new versions are EXPENSIVE!!! Particularly for tiny companies. > > So someday, in the next few years, I will likely be forced to do something. > > I am in fact trying to get MariaDB running on my Linux Mint server / > workstation here at my office. Sadly, doing anything in Linux is a > serious exercise in frustration compared to doing the equivalent in > Windows. MariaDB is installed. I can't log in. Breaking in as the > root user isn't working as the Google search says it should. > > I have an old Areca RAID controller which has to be firmware updated to > work with the modern drives larger than 2 tb size. In Windows, that > involves downloading the file and using a program from Areca to find a > firmware file and upgrade. Dead simple. The same exact process is > required for Linux except... > > Since I am just bringing this card up for the first time (in Linux) I > have to start from scratch installing drivers, installing the software > etc. That involves figuring out what version of Linux... downloading > the right thing from Areca... Typing in loads of crap in the command > window... dealing with the inevitable (and I do mean inevitable) error > messages. > > So a simple (in Windows) 15 minute install turns into an hours long > exercise in frustration (all of last night), and this morning the Areca > card and three spanking new 3 tb drives are still a useless paperweight > hooked up to the Linux machine. > > For some reason, the Linux crowd seems to think this is supposed to be > fun??? I have PILES of work backed up behind "simple" (on Windows) > things that just aren't progressing on Linux Mint. Something always goes > wrong somewhere. And figuring it out ALWAYS starts with "what version > of Linux" and goes downhill from there. > > Google (And SUDO, and the command window for GOD's sake) is my friend. > Except the last two are only very uneasy allies. > > In my opinion the core of the Linux problem is simply that with so many > distros out there, no company selling into the Linux environment can do > anything in a consistent manner because nothing works the same on every > distro. And so the poor guy (me) trying to get anything done is tasked > with sorting it all out for the specific distro chosen. > > Linux is supposed to be free. The problem is that the Linux cost is in > all the stunningly stupid crap that has to be figured out to get > anything more than the simplest install done. And all that comes > BEFORE, and stands in the way of, actually getting any work done. > > Boy did that end up off-topic or what? My frustration is showing. > > On a lighter note, I have come to the conclusion that approximately 50% > of ALL the internet content is "how to" articles for getting stuff done > in Linux. > > ;) > > John W. Colby > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 28 10:19:27 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:19:27 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <54F1E9C0.2050804@gmail.com> References: <1715926301.10515434.1424989070235.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> <1425045480.957227447@f116.i.mail.ru> <54F096B9.6020906@gmail.com> <1425111261.729657599@f408.i.mail.ru>, <54F1DF9E.4090701@gmail.com> <1425138459041.24805@cactus.dk>,<54F1E9C0.2050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1425140366831.4574@cactus.dk> Hi John 100K? Ouch. I certainly see the issue. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af John W. Colby Sendt: 28. februar 2015 17:16 Til: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Emne: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition >>is potential licensing cost the only reason No. It is major though. This client is a little virtual company. He supports about 6 people total, spread out over the Atlantic NE. As a developer I acquired a bunch of licenses through various channels which I have used to support my business, and thus his business. At some point however he has to stand on his own. So the licensing costs are not trivial to him. As an example, I custom (hand) built a SQL Server back in around 2008. MS SWORE that they would NEVER charge on a per core basis. So I purchased and assembled an AMD based machine with two processors and 16 cores (8 cores per chip), looking at replacing each chip with 12 or 16 core chips as required, to end up with a 24 or 32 core SQL Server. SQL Server likes cores!!! Well guess what, MS changed their tune and now charges PER CORE. So to buy (not upgrade) his own SQL Server license would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 THOUSAND dollars for the current 16 core server. PLUS OS licenses, plus... Ooooops. So while licensing costs are not the only consideration, they are $100 K worth of the considerations. And that is really just the start. For a bank or a car manufacturer, $100K+ is chump change. For a small business, not so chump. John W. Colby On 2/28/2015 10:47 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I may have missed something but is potential licensing cost the only reason why you are up to this Linux challenge? > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af John W. Colby > Sendt: 28. februar 2015 16:32 > Til: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Emne: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition > > >>Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application > development story. Is it up&running? > > It is up and running. I have been using it for years. > > >>No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? > > I would love to migrate it to MariaDB, however the C# code was written > to target SQL Server specifically. The bigger problem is that the > database is used to pull data sets for sale. I have an entire template > database that I copy for each client order, and that template database > has defined tables, views and stored procedures that I use to fill the > order. Once the order is filled, the order database becomes a history > of what was done to fill the order, as well as a history of records not > to be sold again should the client order another data set. > > In the end there is simply no compelling reason to make the move. Yet. > > The compelling reason long term is that the SQL Server is hosted on > Windows 2008, and SQL Server itself is 2008 as well. As we know, MS > likes to force us to upgrade by dropping support (including bug / > security fixes). I don't know if you have ever looked, but licenses for > new versions are EXPENSIVE!!! Particularly for tiny companies. > > So someday, in the next few years, I will likely be forced to do something. > > I am in fact trying to get MariaDB running on my Linux Mint server / > workstation here at my office. Sadly, doing anything in Linux is a > serious exercise in frustration compared to doing the equivalent in > Windows. MariaDB is installed. I can't log in. Breaking in as the > root user isn't working as the Google search says it should. > > I have an old Areca RAID controller which has to be firmware updated to > work with the modern drives larger than 2 tb size. In Windows, that > involves downloading the file and using a program from Areca to find a > firmware file and upgrade. Dead simple. The same exact process is > required for Linux except... > > Since I am just bringing this card up for the first time (in Linux) I > have to start from scratch installing drivers, installing the software > etc. That involves figuring out what version of Linux... downloading > the right thing from Areca... Typing in loads of crap in the command > window... dealing with the inevitable (and I do mean inevitable) error > messages. > > So a simple (in Windows) 15 minute install turns into an hours long > exercise in frustration (all of last night), and this morning the Areca > card and three spanking new 3 tb drives are still a useless paperweight > hooked up to the Linux machine. > > For some reason, the Linux crowd seems to think this is supposed to be > fun??? I have PILES of work backed up behind "simple" (on Windows) > things that just aren't progressing on Linux Mint. Something always goes > wrong somewhere. And figuring it out ALWAYS starts with "what version > of Linux" and goes downhill from there. > > Google (And SUDO, and the command window for GOD's sake) is my friend. > Except the last two are only very uneasy allies. > > In my opinion the core of the Linux problem is simply that with so many > distros out there, no company selling into the Linux environment can do > anything in a consistent manner because nothing works the same on every > distro. And so the poor guy (me) trying to get anything done is tasked > with sorting it all out for the specific distro chosen. > > Linux is supposed to be free. The problem is that the Linux cost is in > all the stunningly stupid crap that has to be figured out to get > anything more than the simplest install done. And all that comes > BEFORE, and stands in the way of, actually getting any work done. > > Boy did that end up off-topic or what? My frustration is showing. > > On a lighter note, I have come to the conclusion that approximately 50% > of ALL the internet content is "how to" articles for getting stuff done > in Linux. > > ;) > > John W. Colby