From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Nov 14 05:32:47 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:32:47 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?Connect=28=29=3B_//_2015_-_November_18-19_//_D?= =?utf-8?q?eveloper_Virtual_Event?= Message-ID: <1447500767.267239883@f431.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI: http://connect2015.visualstudio.com/ -- ???????????? ?????? From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 12:05:37 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:05:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] Visual Studio and Source control Message-ID: <564777F1.5070604@Gmail.com> I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years. I am about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub. I have VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3). I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an already existing 2010 project. To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there getting connected from inside of Visual Studio. Can anyone point me to a clear and concise instruction for making this work? Any assistance much appreciated. -- John W. Colby From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 12:20:50 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:20:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com> >First question: Why not VS2015? Mostly just that I have 2013 installed from awhile ago. From my reading, the 2013 version now supports github natively. I do not want to put this specific project up into a public place because it is company business. I am going to try this: https://bonobogitserver.com/install/ On 11/14/2015 1:07 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > First question: Why not VS2015? > > You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical. > > Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site). > > GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do: > > http://gitstack.com/ > > They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup? > > I'll give it a look in the near future. > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: AccessD p? vegne af John Colby > Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38 > Til: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com > Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control > > I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years. I am > about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub. I have > VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and > upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3). > > I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM > server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an > already existing 2010 project. > > To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear > instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there > getting connected from inside of Visual Studio. Can anyone point me to > a clear and concise instruction for making this work? > > Any assistance much appreciated. > > -- > John W. Colby -- John W. Colby From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Nov 14 12:26:24 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:26:24 +0000 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> , <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi John OK. Yes, VS2013 does support GitHub. Let us know about your findings with Bonobo Git Server. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-VS p? vegne af John Colby Sendt: 14. november 2015 19:20 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control >First question: Why not VS2015? Mostly just that I have 2013 installed from awhile ago. From my reading, the 2013 version now supports github natively. I do not want to put this specific project up into a public place because it is company business. I am going to try this: https://bonobogitserver.com/install/ On 11/14/2015 1:07 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > First question: Why not VS2015? > > You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical. > > Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site). > > GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do: > > http://gitstack.com/ > > They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup? > > I'll give it a look in the near future. > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: AccessD p? vegne af John Colby > Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38 > Til: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com > Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control > > I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years. I am > about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub. I have > VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and > upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3). > > I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM > server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an > already existing 2010 project. > > To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear > instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there > getting connected from inside of Visual Studio. Can anyone point me to > a clear and concise instruction for making this work? > > Any assistance much appreciated. > > -- > John W. Colby -- John W. Colby From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Nov 14 13:16:45 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 22:16:45 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?=5BAccessD=5D_Visual_Studio_and_source_control?= In-Reply-To: References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1447528605.831967563@f173.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav and John -- What's the use of a local Git server when you are an "alone wolf" or an up to five members team of developers? BitBucket.org is *free* for *private* unlimited quantity of projects for the mentioned above use cases. I'm keeping quite a few on my private commercial projects there using both Git and Mercurial. Her are the stats of one of the biggest sets of projects: - first commit in August 2010 - it's now ?commit# 987, - 6660 .cs files, - 55 solutions (.sln files), - 295 C# projects (.csproj files) Thank you. -- Shamil >Saturday, November 14, 2015 6:26 PM UTC from Gustav Brock : > >Hi John > >OK. Yes, VS2013 does support GitHub. > >Let us know about your findings with Bonobo Git Server. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-VS < dba-vs-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af John Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com > >Sendt: 14. november 2015 19:20 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com >Emne: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control > >?>First question: Why not VS2015? > >Mostly just that I have 2013 installed from awhile ago. From my >reading, the 2013 version now supports github natively. > >I do not want to put this specific project up into a public place >because it is company business. > >I am going to try this: > >https://bonobogitserver.com/install/ > >On 11/14/2015 1:07 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi John >> >> First question: Why not VS2015? >> >> You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical. >> >> Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site). >> >> GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do: >> >> http://gitstack.com/ >> >> They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup? >> >> I'll give it a look in the near future. >> >> /gustav >> >> ________________________________________ >> Fra: AccessD < accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af John Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com > >> Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38 >> Til: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com >> Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control >> >> I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years. I am >> about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub. I have >> VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and >> upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3). >> >> I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM >> server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an >> already existing 2010 project. >> >> To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear >> instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there >> getting connected from inside of Visual Studio. Can anyone point me to >> a clear and concise instruction for making this work? >> >> Any assistance much appreciated. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby > >-- >John W. Colby > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VS mailing list >dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs >http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 13:30:20 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:30:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <1447528605.831967563@f173.i.mail.ru> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com> <1447528605.831967563@f173.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <56478BCC.1080207@Gmail.com> It is a simple matter of keeping it off the internet. I have never EVER seen ANYTHING on the internet not subject to hacking. If it is on my own server then it is behind my firewall. In the 8 years that I have been running VMs on my 2008-R2 VM Server, none of which ever touch the internet, I have never been hacked. If it is not public, why put it in a public place? On 11/14/2015 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Gustav and John -- > > What's the use of a local Git server when you are an "alone wolf" or an up to five members team of developers? > BitBucket.org is *free* for *private* unlimited quantity of projects for the mentioned above use cases. > I'm keeping quite a few on my private commercial projects there using both Git and Mercurial. > Her are the stats of one of the biggest sets of projects: > > - first commit in August 2010 - it's now commit# 987, > - 6660 .cs files, > - 55 solutions (.sln files), > - 295 C# projects (.csproj files) > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > >> Saturday, November 14, 2015 6:26 PM UTC from Gustav Brock : >> >> Hi John >> >> OK. Yes, VS2013 does support GitHub. >> >> Let us know about your findings with Bonobo Git Server. >> >> /gustav >> >> ________________________________________ >> Fra: dba-VS < dba-vs-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af John Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com > >> Sendt: 14. november 2015 19:20 >> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com >> Emne: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control >> >> >First question: Why not VS2015? >> >> Mostly just that I have 2013 installed from awhile ago. From my >> reading, the 2013 version now supports github natively. >> >> I do not want to put this specific project up into a public place >> because it is company business. >> >> I am going to try this: >> >> https://bonobogitserver.com/install/ >> >> On 11/14/2015 1:07 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: >>> Hi John >>> >>> First question: Why not VS2015? >>> >>> You may have your reasons for choosing VS2013, but I believe the GitHub support (the add-in) is better in VS2015. That said, it works, but I think the user interface and way to operate is primitive and clumsy - but it works when you have found out ... it's not difficult but not very logical. >>> >>> Second: I just use a shared network folder for my Git repositories. Then, when I tell so from VS, the current project is synced to GitHub (I only use the public site). >>> >>> GitHub is a Linux thing, so it shouldn't be very offending to you ... but as you seem to be in a hurry, I binged for alternatives (because also I actually would like to have my own server as the public server is, eh, just that: Public) and found GitStack targeted at lazy people like me having other things to do: >>> >>> http://gitstack.com/ >>> >>> They sport a "Basic" full-featured community version limited to two users, but wouldn't that fit your setup? >>> >>> I'll give it a look in the near future. >>> >>> /gustav >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> Fra: AccessD < accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af John Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com > >>> Sendt: 14. november 2015 18:38 >>> Til: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; Access Developers discussion and problem solving; jwcolby at gmail.com >>> Emne: [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control >>> >>> I have been using Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 for many years. I am >>> about to move up to 2013, which has built-in support for GitHub. I have >>> VS 2013 Community edition installed on a new dev virtual machine and >>> upgraded to the latest service pack (pack 3). >>> >>> I would like to run a local GitHub server on my Windows 2008 R2 VM >>> server which hosts my dev virtual machines, then build a project from an >>> already existing 2010 project. >>> >>> To this point I have found all kinds of "it can be done" but no clear >>> instructions to getting the server set up on Windows and from there >>> getting connected from inside of Visual Studio. Can anyone point me to >>> a clear and concise instruction for making this work? >>> >>> Any assistance much appreciated. >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VS mailing list >> dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- John W. Colby From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Nov 14 14:27:13 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 23:27:13 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?=5BAccessD=5D_Visual_Studio_and_source_control?= In-Reply-To: <56478BCC.1080207@Gmail.com> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <1447528605.831967563@f173.i.mail.ru> <56478BCC.1080207@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1447532833.281625153@f164.i.mail.ru> Hi ?John -- I do not know about any bitbucket.org successful hacking attempts - do you? What do you mean by "hacked"? If stolen - do you suppose there are any hackers in this small world who will try to spend any time to find out what your code does to somehow use this knowledge to harm your business? If damaged - here is how you can easily prevent this damage -? https://github.com/Alevsk/Git-Hack-Recovery Thank you. -- Shamil >Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:30 PM -05:00 from John Colby : > >It is a simple matter of keeping it off the internet. > >I have never EVER seen ANYTHING on the internet not subject to hacking. >If it is on my own server then it is behind my firewall. In the 8 years >that I have been running VMs on my 2008-R2 VM Server, none of which ever >touch the internet, I have never been hacked. > >If it is not public, why put it in a public place? > >On 11/14/2015 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> Hi Gustav and John -- >> >> What's the use of a local Git server when you are an "alone wolf" or an up to five members team of developers? >> BitBucket.org is *free* for *private* unlimited quantity of projects for the mentioned above use cases. >> I'm keeping quite a few on my private commercial projects there using both Git and Mercurial. >> Her are the stats of one of the biggest sets of projects: >> >> - first commit in August 2010 - it's now commit# 987, >> - 6660 .cs files, >> - 55 solutions (.sln files), >> - 295 C# projects (.csproj files) >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> <<< skipped >>> > From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 14:36:42 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 15:36:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <1447532833.281625153@f164.i.mail.ru> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <1447528605.831967563@f173.i.mail.ru> <56478BCC.1080207@Gmail.com> <1447532833.281625153@f164.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <56479B5A.6030807@Gmail.com> Just today John posted a ransomware virus locking stuff down and demanding payment to get it back. So yea, not trying to figure it out perhaps but... It is just a simple reduction in exposure to me. On 11/14/2015 3:27 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > I do not know about any bitbucket.org successful hacking attempts - do you? > > What do you mean by "hacked"? > > If stolen - do you suppose there are any hackers in this small world who will try to spend any time to find out what your code does to somehow use this knowledge to harm your business? > > If damaged - here is how you can easily prevent this damage - https://github.com/Alevsk/Git-Hack-Recovery > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > >> Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:30 PM -05:00 from John Colby : >> >> It is a simple matter of keeping it off the internet. >> >> I have never EVER seen ANYTHING on the internet not subject to hacking. >> If it is on my own server then it is behind my firewall. In the 8 years >> that I have been running VMs on my 2008-R2 VM Server, none of which ever >> touch the internet, I have never been hacked. >> >> If it is not public, why put it in a public place? >> >> On 11/14/2015 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>> Hi Gustav and John -- >>> >>> What's the use of a local Git server when you are an "alone wolf" or an up to five members team of developers? >>> BitBucket.org is *free* for *private* unlimited quantity of projects for the mentioned above use cases. >>> I'm keeping quite a few on my private commercial projects there using both Git and Mercurial. >>> Her are the stats of one of the biggest sets of projects: >>> >>> - first commit in August 2010 - it's now commit# 987, >>> - 6660 .cs files, >>> - 55 solutions (.sln files), >>> - 295 C# projects (.csproj files) >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> > <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- John W. Colby From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Nov 14 15:08:44 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 00:08:44 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?=5BAccessD=5D_Visual_Studio_and_source_control?= In-Reply-To: <56479B5A.6030807@Gmail.com> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <1447532833.281625153@f164.i.mail.ru> <56479B5A.6030807@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1447535324.567741814@f419.i.mail.ru> John -- Even if your private bitbucket.org account will be hacked and locked down you'll still have a copy of your sources on your local system disks and in your local system backups, - if that is not safe enough IYO then you could also have backups on a few "cloud" ?sites. -- Shamil >Saturday, November 14, 2015 3:36 PM -05:00 from John Colby : > >Just today John posted a ransomware virus locking stuff down and >demanding payment to get it back. So yea, not trying to figure it out >perhaps but... > >It is just a simple reduction in exposure to me. > >On 11/14/2015 3:27 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> Hi John -- >> >> I do not know about any bitbucket.org successful hacking attempts - do you? >> >> What do you mean by "hacked"? >> >> If stolen - do you suppose there are any hackers in this small world who will try to spend any time to find out what your code does to somehow use this knowledge to harm your business? >> >> If damaged - here is how you can easily prevent this damage - https://github.com/Alevsk/Git-Hack-Recovery >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >>> Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:30 PM -05:00 from John Colby < jwcolby at gmail.com >: >>> >>> It is a simple matter of keeping it off the internet. >>> >>> I have never EVER seen ANYTHING on the internet not subject to hacking. >>> If it is on my own server then it is behind my firewall. In the 8 years >>> that I have been running VMs on my 2008-R2 VM Server, none of which ever >>> touch the internet, I have never been hacked. >>> >>> If it is not public, why put it in a public place? >>> >>> On 11/14/2015 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>>> Hi Gustav and John -- >>>> >>>> What's the use of a local Git server when you are an "alone wolf" or an up to five members team of developers? >>>> BitBucket.org is *free* for *private* unlimited quantity of projects for the mentioned above use cases. >>>> I'm keeping quite a few on my private commercial projects there using both Git and Mercurial. >>>> Her are the stats of one of the biggest sets of projects: >>>> >>>> - first commit in August 2010 - it's now commit# 987, >>>> - 6660 .cs files, >>>> - 55 solutions (.sln files), >>>> - 295 C# projects (.csproj files) >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> -- Shamil >>>> >> <<< skipped >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VS mailing list >> dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >John W. Colby > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VS mailing list >dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs >http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 15:31:49 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 16:31:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <1447535324.567741814@f419.i.mail.ru> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <1447532833.281625153@f164.i.mail.ru> <56479B5A.6030807@Gmail.com> <1447535324.567741814@f419.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <5647A845.3010508@Gmail.com> I suppose I just don't see the allure of doing my business development on the cloud. I have had my private source control since I began using C# many years ago. It has run like clockwork. It is completely inside of my servers. Why would I go do it out on a public server all of a sudden? This is not a public development effort. All I am really doing is looking at moving from SVN to GitHub, and that only because VS now has a GitHub connector. I have two largish servers that "belong" to the client that this code is for. Everything else of the client's is on those servers. There is simply no point in not keeping his stuff on his servers. At this point all of my development is on my own VMs running on these servers (that I hand built ages ago) and the source control is on them as well. You have spent a great deal of effort questioning why I do this but no effort explaining why I should not. On 11/14/2015 4:08 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > John -- > > Even if your private bitbucket.org account will be hacked and locked down you'll still have a copy of your sources on your local system disks and in your local system backups, - if that is not safe enough IYO then you could also have backups on a few "cloud" sites. > > -- Shamil > -- John W. Colby From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Nov 14 15:44:11 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:44:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <1447528605.831967563@f173.i.mail.ru> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <56477B82.1050702@Gmail.com> , <1447528605.831967563@f173.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hi Shamil I also use Team Foundation Server (Visual Studio Online) because it comes included with MAPS. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-VS p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 14. november 2015 20:16 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Hi Gustav and John -- What's the use of a local Git server when you are an "alone wolf" or an up to five members team of developers? BitBucket.org is *free* for *private* unlimited quantity of projects for the mentioned above use cases. I'm keeping quite a few on my private commercial projects there using both Git and Mercurial. Her are the stats of one of the biggest sets of projects: - first commit in August 2010 - it's now commit# 987, - 6660 .cs files, - 55 solutions (.sln files), - 295 C# projects (.csproj files) Thank you. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Nov 14 16:12:57 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 01:12:57 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?=5BAccessD=5D_Visual_Studio_and_source_control?= In-Reply-To: <5647A845.3010508@Gmail.com> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <1447535324.567741814@f419.i.mail.ru> <5647A845.3010508@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1447539177.41578346@f306.i.mail.ru> OK, John -- That promise to be endless pro-/contra- ping-pong - here is what ?local resources ( http://habrahabr.ru/post/199144/ ) tell about the way you selected: - there are two recommended solutions - the one you mentioned - Bonobo - and gitwin -?https://www.itefix.net/gitwin HTH And I'm out of this thread. Thank you. -- Shamil Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:31 PM -05:00 from John Colby : > >I suppose I just don't see the allure of doing my business development >on the cloud. I have had my private source control since I began using >C# many years ago. It has run like clockwork. It is completely inside >of my servers. Why would I go do it out on a public server all of a >sudden? This is not a public development effort. All I am really doing >is looking at moving from SVN to GitHub, and that only because VS now >has a GitHub connector. I have two largish servers that "belong" to the >client that this code is for. Everything else of the client's is on >those servers. There is simply no point in not keeping his stuff on his >servers. > >At this point all of my development is on my own VMs running on these >servers (that I hand built ages ago) and the source control is on them >as well. > >You have spent a great deal of effort questioning why I do this but no >effort explaining why I should not. > >On 11/14/2015 4:08 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> John -- >> >> Even if your private bitbucket.org account will be hacked and locked down you'll still have a copy of your sources on your local system disks and in your local system backups, - if that is not safe enough IYO then you could also have backups on a few "cloud" sites. >> >> -- Shamil >> > >-- >John W. Colby > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VS mailing list >dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs >http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 23:14:06 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 00:14:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <1447539177.41578346@f306.i.mail.ru> References: <564771AA.4010403@Gmail.com> <1447535324.567741814@f419.i.mail.ru> <5647A845.3010508@Gmail.com> <1447539177.41578346@f306.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <5648149E.4020209@Gmail.com> lol, ok. I spent a few hours setting up a repository on a server of mine about 8 years ago. I have spent zero time on it since. It just works. It is mine, completely private. I do not use it from home. Ever. I RD into my dev VM on the server and do my dev from there. I don't share it with other developers. It is mine, completely private. I did have an assistant in the beginning years, We both remoted in and used a shared (SVN) repository. It all worked flawlessly. So there ya go. If you are saying that local GitHub is not so easy then just say that. I can just stick with (local) SVN in that case. Trying to translate a Russian site and then slog through the translation is not something I desire to do. On 11/14/2015 5:12 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > OK, John -- > > That promise to be endless pro-/contra- ping-pong - here is what local resources ( http://habrahabr.ru/post/199144/ ) tell about the way you selected: > - there are two recommended solutions - the one you mentioned - Bonobo - and gitwin - https://www.itefix.net/gitwin > > HTH > > And I'm out of this thread. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:31 PM -05:00 from John Colby : >> I suppose I just don't see the allure of doing my business development >> on the cloud. I have had my private source control since I began using >> C# many years ago. It has run like clockwork. It is completely inside >> of my servers. Why would I go do it out on a public server all of a >> sudden? This is not a public development effort. All I am really doing >> is looking at moving from SVN to GitHub, and that only because VS now >> has a GitHub connector. I have two largish servers that "belong" to the >> client that this code is for. Everything else of the client's is on >> those servers. There is simply no point in not keeping his stuff on his >> servers. >> >> At this point all of my development is on my own VMs running on these >> servers (that I hand built ages ago) and the source control is on them >> as well. >> >> You have spent a great deal of effort questioning why I do this but no >> effort explaining why I should not. >> >> On 11/14/2015 4:08 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>> John -- >>> >>> Even if your private bitbucket.org account will be hacked and locked down you'll still have a copy of your sources on your local system disks and in your local system backups, - if that is not safe enough IYO then you could also have backups on a few "cloud" sites. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VS mailing list >> dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- John W. Colby From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 07:29:29 2015 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 08:29:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] List Bounces Message-ID: It took some doing, but I think I've put the person that forward email to : That email address is not subscribed to the list, but it bounces around a bit to get to that address. If you have any more issues, let me know. Your friendly neighbourhood listmaster -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 10:03:42 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:03:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] Visual Studio 2013 and Version Control Message-ID: <5649FE5E.8090309@Gmail.com> On the (apparent) advice of Shamil I decided to forget GitHub and simply downloaded and installed the pieces required to run SVN with VS 2013. I have run SVN since I started my projects somewhere around 2007 and it has run flawlessly ever since. I checked the current 2010 project out and it was placed into the 2013 directory chain, but failed to compile due to missing references to DLLs. I zipped the dlls referenced under VS2010, created a References directory under the 2013 dir chain, and placed those DLLS into that location on the new DEV machine. Opened the solution, clicked on the references and they magically fixed themselves to point to the 2013 references location. The project now compiles and runs under 2013. Source control is magic and sure does make things simpler. BTW my old dev machine was a VM running Server 2003 X32, and had VS2005, VS2008 and VS2010 installed. Shows you how long ago I started this. My "new" VM is running Server 2008 R2 X64 and VS2013. -- John W. Colby From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 20 07:52:21 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:52:21 +0000 Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server Message-ID: Hi all On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server or just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 page wrap up in C# on the topic: https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers It is free for the sign-up. Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from Syncfusion: https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks in case you have some spare hours or days. In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, because I will never find the time to read them, while many short articles found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny fraction of the subject. /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 20 18:01:34 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:01:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1652243059.8982281.1448064094107.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Thank you Gustav. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:52:21 AM Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server Hi all On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server or just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 page wrap up in C# on the topic: https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers It is free for the sign-up. Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from Syncfusion: https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks in case you have some spare hours or days. In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, because I will never find the time to read them, while many short articles found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny fraction of the subject. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 04:42:51 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 05:42:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server In-Reply-To: <1652243059.8982281.1448064094107.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1652243059.8982281.1448064094107.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Gustav, Your second link gives error 404. Arthur On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Thank you Gustav. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:52:21 AM > Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > Hi all > > On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server or > just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 page > wrap up in C# on the topic: > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers > > It is free for the sign-up. > > Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from Syncfusion: > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks > > in case you have some spare hours or days. > > In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, > because I will never find the time to read them, while many short articles > found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny fraction of > the subject. > > /gustav > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Nov 21 04:55:09 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 10:55:09 +0000 Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server In-Reply-To: References: <1652243059.8982281.1448064094107.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>, Message-ID: Hi Arthur Sorry, it's here: https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks It routes to the other link. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-VS p? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 21. november 2015 11:42 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: Re: [dba-VS] Your own web server Gustav, Your second link gives error 404. Arthur On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Thank you Gustav. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:52:21 AM > Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > Hi all > > On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server or > just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 page > wrap up in C# on the topic: > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers > > It is free for the sign-up. > > Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from Syncfusion: > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks > > in case you have some spare hours or days. > > In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, > because I will never find the time to read them, while many short articles > found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny fraction of > the subject. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 05:47:26 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 06:47:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server In-Reply-To: References: <1652243059.8982281.1448064094107.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Thanks, Gustav. Quite the little library! Arthur On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Sorry, it's here: > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks > > It routes to the other link. > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-VS p? vegne af Arthur > Fuller > Sendt: 21. november 2015 11:42 > Til: Development in Visual Studio > Emne: Re: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > Gustav, > > Your second link gives error 404. > > Arthur > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Thank you Gustav. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:52:21 AM > > Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > > > Hi all > > > > On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server or > > just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 > page > > wrap up in C# on the topic: > > > > > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers > > > > It is free for the sign-up. > > > > Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from Syncfusion: > > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks > > > > in case you have some spare hours or days. > > > > In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, > > because I will never find the time to read them, while many short > articles > > found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny fraction > of > > the subject. > > > > /gustav > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 11:13:21 2015 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:13:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server In-Reply-To: References: <1652243059.8982281.1448064094107.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I got there but I couldn't download an ebook. It wanted me to log in. I logged in and went around in circles (I seem to be doing that a lot. Is it me??). Whenever I tried to download it insisted I log in even though I was already logged in. Charlotte Charlotte Foust (916) 206-4336 On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Sorry, it's here: > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks > > It routes to the other link. > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-VS p? vegne af Arthur > Fuller > Sendt: 21. november 2015 11:42 > Til: Development in Visual Studio > Emne: Re: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > Gustav, > > Your second link gives error 404. > > Arthur > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Thank you Gustav. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:52:21 AM > > Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > > > Hi all > > > > On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server or > > just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 > page > > wrap up in C# on the topic: > > > > > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers > > > > It is free for the sign-up. > > > > Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from Syncfusion: > > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks > > > > in case you have some spare hours or days. > > > > In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, > > because I will never find the time to read them, while many short > articles > > found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny fraction > of > > the subject. > > > > /gustav > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 11:27:14 2015 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:27:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server In-Reply-To: References: <1652243059.8982281.1448064094107.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Message-ID: I had similar experience --seemed I was going in circles. They will send you link for your account confirmation, use it to sin on,then you can download the ebook. At least that is how I was able to download the ebook. On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote: > I got there but I couldn't download an ebook. It wanted me to log in. I > logged in and went around in circles (I seem to be doing that a lot. Is it > me??). Whenever I tried to download it insisted I log in even though I was > already logged in. > > Charlotte > > Charlotte Foust > (916) 206-4336 > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Arthur > > > > Sorry, it's here: > > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks > > > > It routes to the other link. > > > > /gustav > > > > ________________________________________ > > Fra: dba-VS p? vegne af Arthur > > Fuller > > Sendt: 21. november 2015 11:42 > > Til: Development in Visual Studio > > Emne: Re: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > > > Gustav, > > > > Your second link gives error 404. > > > > Arthur > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > > > Thank you Gustav. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:52:21 AM > > > Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server > or > > > just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 > > page > > > wrap up in C# on the topic: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers > > > > > > It is free for the sign-up. > > > > > > Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from > Syncfusion: > > > > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks > > > > > > in case you have some spare hours or days. > > > > > > In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, > > > because I will never find the time to read them, while many short > > articles > > > found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny > fraction > > of > > > the subject. > > > > > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VS mailing list > > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 21 21:56:33 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:56:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <573206521.9767769.1448164593059.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Gustav: Now that is a great list. I will be downloading a few for reading while of-line. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:55:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] Your own web server Hi Arthur Sorry, it's here: https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/ebooks It routes to the other link. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-VS p? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 21. november 2015 11:42 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: Re: [dba-VS] Your own web server Gustav, Your second link gives error 404. Arthur On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Thank you Gustav. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:52:21 AM > Subject: [dba-VS] Your own web server > > Hi all > > On this quiet Friday, should you consider writing your own web server or > just wish to study the ins and outs of such a "machine", here is a 100 page > wrap up in C# on the topic: > > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks/webservers > > It is free for the sign-up. > > Note a bunch of other high-quality titles in the series from Syncfusion: > > https://www.syncfusion.com/resources/techportal/details/ebooks > > in case you have some spare hours or days. > > In fact, this format fits me well. Those 1000 pages books I never buy, > because I will never find the time to read them, while many short articles > found around on the web are just too short or only cover a tiny fraction of > the subject. > > /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 29 19:27:54 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:27:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <5647A845.3010508@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <576834731.16583220.1448846874415.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> As for the Cloud there are some things that just can not be done any other way. Huge files and incredible high processing speed come to mind. One article, that discussed this comes to mind. In the old days a movie would easily fit on one of two rolls of "Nitrocellulose"...yes, it is as explosive as it sounds. Today that technology is all but gone. Movies are now digitized, are super high resolution, up to 64 frames a second but they take up a lot of drive space...and the media must be absolutely perfect...no data drops, not even a single pixel. Where else would anyone store the complete movie like "Gravity", that is 26 Pentabytes? Then the new super computers. They use to be something like a single Cray but today a Cloud farm of thousands of interconnected CPUs running as a single computer, running at over 33.86 petaFLOPS (per second). There is nothing that the Cloud couldn't do when it comes to bigger, faster and more reliable. This technology is not just limited to big players at extraordinary costs. The prices are continuing coming down, if someone wants to go commercial and any enthusiast (Geek) can set up a small Cloud system in their basement, using off the shelf computers and software. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:31:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control I suppose I just don't see the allure of doing my business development on the cloud. I have had my private source control since I began using C# many years ago. It has run like clockwork. It is completely inside of my servers. Why would I go do it out on a public server all of a sudden? This is not a public development effort. All I am really doing is looking at moving from SVN to GitHub, and that only because VS now has a GitHub connector. I have two largish servers that "belong" to the client that this code is for. Everything else of the client's is on those servers. There is simply no point in not keeping his stuff on his servers. At this point all of my development is on my own VMs running on these servers (that I hand built ages ago) and the source control is on them as well. You have spent a great deal of effort questioning why I do this but no effort explaining why I should not. On 11/14/2015 4:08 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > John -- > > Even if your private bitbucket.org account will be hacked and locked down you'll still have a copy of your sources on your local system disks and in your local system backups, - if that is not safe enough IYO then you could also have backups on a few "cloud" sites. > > -- Shamil > -- John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 00:51:47 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 01:51:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <576834731.16583220.1448846874415.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <576834731.16583220.1448846874415.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <565BF203.6040702@Gmail.com> Lol and I'm going to download a 26 petabyte movie over my 60 mb/s phone link with a 30 gb data cap.... Should take me oh... a few thousand years and a few billion dollars in data. In the meantime I built a 16 core server with 96 gb of ram and 12 tb raid 12 and run a full on business from it. 6 VMs on a second little hex core server with a mere 32 gb of ram. The fact that something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. Or that it makes any damned sense for that matter. There's not a day goes by that new hacks don't surface exposing millions, even billions of personal records. We now have systems in place where every dollar in your bank account can be drained from Russia or China, and you will never get it back. >As for the Cloud there are some things that just can not be done any other way. You got that right. Ain't technology wonderful? On 11/29/2015 8:27 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > As for the Cloud there are some things that just can not be done any other way. > > Huge files and incredible high processing speed come to mind. > > One article, that discussed this comes to mind. In the old days a movie would easily fit on one of two rolls of "Nitrocellulose"...yes, it is as explosive as it sounds. Today that technology is all but gone. Movies are now digitized, are super high resolution, up to 64 frames a second but they take up a lot of drive space...and the media must be absolutely perfect...no data drops, not even a single pixel. Where else would anyone store the complete movie like "Gravity", that is 26 Pentabytes? > > Then the new super computers. They use to be something like a single Cray but today a Cloud farm of thousands of interconnected CPUs running as a single computer, running at over 33.86 petaFLOPS (per second). > > There is nothing that the Cloud couldn't do when it comes to bigger, faster and more reliable. > > This technology is not just limited to big players at extraordinary costs. The prices are continuing coming down, if someone wants to go commercial and any enthusiast (Geek) can set up a small Cloud system in their basement, using off the shelf computers and software. > > Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 05:40:19 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 06:40:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <576834731.16583220.1448846874415.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <5647A845.3010508@Gmail.com> <576834731.16583220.1448846874415.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Yeah well you've got all your fany hardware, but some of us are impoverished have only three computers, including the tablet. It all adds up to a couple of gigs. Poor me ? On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > As for the Cloud there are some things that just can not be done any other > way. > > Huge files and incredible high processing speed come to mind. > > One article, that discussed this comes to mind. In the old days a movie > would easily fit on one of two rolls of "Nitrocellulose"...yes, it is as > explosive as it sounds. Today that technology is all but gone. Movies are > now digitized, are super high resolution, up to 64 frames a second but they > take up a lot of drive space...and the media must be absolutely > perfect...no data drops, not even a single pixel. Where else would anyone > store the complete movie like "Gravity", that is 26 Pentabytes? > > Then the new super computers. They use to be something like a single Cray > but today a Cloud farm of thousands of interconnected CPUs running as a > single computer, running at over 33.86 petaFLOPS (per second). > > There is nothing that the Cloud couldn't do when it comes to bigger, > faster and more reliable. > > This technology is not just limited to big players at extraordinary costs. > The prices are continuing coming down, if someone wants to go commercial > and any enthusiast (Geek) can set up a small Cloud system in their > basement, using off the shelf computers and software. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:31:49 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control > > I suppose I just don't see the allure of doing my business development > on the cloud. I have had my private source control since I began using > C# many years ago. It has run like clockwork. It is completely inside > of my servers. Why would I go do it out on a public server all of a > sudden? This is not a public development effort. All I am really doing > is looking at moving from SVN to GitHub, and that only because VS now > has a GitHub connector. I have two largish servers that "belong" to the > client that this code is for. Everything else of the client's is on > those servers. There is simply no point in not keeping his stuff on his > servers. > > At this point all of my development is on my own VMs running on these > servers (that I hand built ages ago) and the source control is on them > as well. > > You have spent a great deal of effort questioning why I do this but no > effort explaining why I should not. > > On 11/14/2015 4:08 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > John -- > > > > Even if your private bitbucket.org account will be hacked and locked > down you'll still have a copy of your sources on your local system disks > and in your local system backups, - if that is not safe enough IYO then you > could also have backups on a few "cloud" sites. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > -- > John W. Colby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 05:58:07 2015 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 06:58:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: References: <5647A845.3010508@Gmail.com> <576834731.16583220.1448846874415.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: And anyway, the movie sucked, so you could spare yourself the wait and the watch. Old fart that I am, I actually went to a cinema to watch it. If you want a better movie, check out Ex Machina. That is a movie worth seeing a couple of times. ? From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 30 17:35:30 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:35:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <565BF203.6040702@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <119908863.17527098.1448926530526.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi John: Well of course you are not downloading the entire core with all the rigs and every version that will run on you smartphone up to a 3D Imax, of the movie just you can rip and view it on your TV but all that detail is saved. What you have is an excellent application along with the biggest and baddest home computer anyone could assemble. That said, today, few individuals would ever consider that as an option for resolving their big data problems. Most system admins would move their needs off to the web (Cloud). It is basically cheaper, faster and easier...how much would you calculate all your hours times say $65 per hour... Add the price of components, assemble, shipping, self-training, ongoing maintenance and so on. What you database server look like to me is a beautiful, hand-built, high performance sports-car...a real thing of beauty. If you were starting from scratch today would you follow the same route? You wouldn't necessarily have to move everything to a public Cloud. I would bet that with maybe ten beater boxes, not particularly tricked-out, connected in a single network, a single file-system, where all the systems work as a single entity, the same functionality (or far greater) could be obtained along with superior performance, far greater reliability and probably for a lot cheaper...right in your basement. I have used this video before but it does lend its self towards the new way data is managed. It shows a IBM system but really what we are seeing is a system with a number motherboards, cores and memory all connected into a single entity. With all those cores, memory and access to a group of OSS programs (services) all abstracted and assembled through an application like Juju (https://jujucharms.com/ ...which is actually what Microsoft Azure uses.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWBNoIwGEjo Aside: I have been playing at this for a while with this tech with some success but given a combination of, my life is not my own and laziness, the progress has been slow. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 10:51:47 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Lol and I'm going to download a 26 petabyte movie over my 60 mb/s phone link with a 30 gb data cap.... Should take me oh... a few thousand years and a few billion dollars in data. In the meantime I built a 16 core server with 96 gb of ram and 12 tb raid 12 and run a full on business from it. 6 VMs on a second little hex core server with a mere 32 gb of ram. The fact that something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. Or that it makes any damned sense for that matter. There's not a day goes by that new hacks don't surface exposing millions, even billions of personal records. We now have systems in place where every dollar in your bank account can be drained from Russia or China, and you will never get it back. >As for the Cloud there are some things that just can not be done any other way. You got that right. Ain't technology wonderful? On 11/29/2015 8:27 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > As for the Cloud there are some things that just can not be done any other way. > > Huge files and incredible high processing speed come to mind. > > One article, that discussed this comes to mind. In the old days a movie would easily fit on one of two rolls of "Nitrocellulose"...yes, it is as explosive as it sounds. Today that technology is all but gone. Movies are now digitized, are super high resolution, up to 64 frames a second but they take up a lot of drive space...and the media must be absolutely perfect...no data drops, not even a single pixel. Where else would anyone store the complete movie like "Gravity", that is 26 Pentabytes? > > Then the new super computers. They use to be something like a single Cray but today a Cloud farm of thousands of interconnected CPUs running as a single computer, running at over 33.86 petaFLOPS (per second). > > There is nothing that the Cloud couldn't do when it comes to bigger, faster and more reliable. > > This technology is not just limited to big players at extraordinary costs. The prices are continuing coming down, if someone wants to go commercial and any enthusiast (Geek) can set up a small Cloud system in their basement, using off the shelf computers and software. > > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 18:15:21 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:15:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <119908863.17527098.1448926530526.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <119908863.17527098.1448926530526.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <565CE699.3020200@Gmail.com> Jim, Would I use the cloud if I started today? Maybe but probably not. One issue is that every month I have to export 500 million names and addresses into csv text files, 500K records at a clip, push them to disk, then push those files to VMs where 3rd party software processes those csv files. The results are pushed over the internet to California for further processing on a server at Accuzip, and results brought back to my VMs, whereupon the reassembled text files, with many extra fields, are re-imported into SQL Server. I have a SQL Server doing what it does best, 4 (and potentially more) VMs doing what only they can do, Accuzip's server doing what only it can do, a development VM running my custom written (and pretty complex) control process which automates this whole process. There are just some things that don't match the cloud very well. Today the cloud wants to charge on some "per something" basis. Per I/O, Per transaction, Per core, per etc. I have two physical boxes which does this entire thing and, once built and programmed, essentially costs me nothing more than hosting fees. Yep, it cost me a lot of time and effort, but it gained me 11 years of significant income (so far). Understand that I started out doing all this stuff "manually", and piece by piece automated it. Today these files export out, process and import back in with perhaps a couple of hours of my time. And yet I am still paid, even more than I was when I did it all manually. When I started I processed a single database, 65 million records and put in perhaps 50 hours a week doing all of this processing manually. Today I process 500 million records for perhaps 5 - 10 hours a month. That is the power of automation and that is what I have done over those 11 years. On 11/30/2015 6:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Well of course you are not downloading the entire core with all the rigs and every version that will run on you smartphone up to a 3D Imax, of the movie just you can rip and view it on your TV but all that detail is saved. > > What you have is an excellent application along with the biggest and baddest home computer anyone could assemble. That said, today, few individuals would ever consider that as an option for resolving their big data problems. Most system admins would move their needs off to the web (Cloud). It is basically cheaper, faster and easier...how much would you calculate all your hours times say $65 per hour... Add the price of components, assemble, shipping, self-training, ongoing maintenance and so on. What you database server look like to me is a beautiful, hand-built, high performance sports-car...a real thing of beauty. > > If you were starting from scratch today would you follow the same route? You wouldn't necessarily have to move everything to a public Cloud. > > I would bet that with maybe ten beater boxes, not particularly tricked-out, connected in a single network, a single file-system, where all the systems work as a single entity, the same functionality (or far greater) could be obtained along with superior performance, far greater reliability and probably for a lot cheaper...right in your basement. > > I have used this video before but it does lend its self towards the new way data is managed. It shows a IBM system but really what we are seeing is a system with a number motherboards, cores and memory all connected into a single entity. With all those cores, memory and access to a group of OSS programs (services) all abstracted and assembled through an application like Juju (https://jujucharms.com/ ...which is actually what Microsoft Azure uses.) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWBNoIwGEjo > > Aside: I have been playing at this for a while with this tech with some success but given a combination of, my life is not my own and laziness, the progress has been slow. ;-) > > Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 30 20:23:20 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:23:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <499236429.17677493.1448936600357.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Arthur: My hardware is hardly fancy. Most of it has been built from parts and pieces acquired everywhere. I have traded for jobs...client's old servers...just upgrade the systems boot drive to SSDs, get some older RAM SIMMs (everyone wants DDR4 and 5) and the OS to Linux. If you want to go this route just hang around a "gamer" computer store as the serious gamers are always trading up. Governments and businesses are always flipping their desktops as soon as the lease expires and can be good buys. One small local company buys a lot or two of surplus equipment and then flogs them off for cheap...I just try to get there first and get the pick of the litter. One fellow just brought around his older (two year old) motherboard, fully loaded (power supply, memory, video card and a couple of small 500GB HDs) My one big advantage is space. I have a full size basement. If I did not, I would trade to some friend who did have the appropriate space...maybe run the family up a Mine-Craft server or add someone to the ownCloud server? ;-) I only have one super server and the rest are in progress rebuilds. Aside: If you go this route it might be worth considering an investment in an UPS or two. Note that power usage can get expensive but the newer computer motherboards will virtually go to sleep when not under load. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 3:40:19 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Yeah well you've got all your fany hardware, but some of us are impoverished have only three computers, including the tablet. It all adds up to a couple of gigs. Poor me ? On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > As for the Cloud there are some things that just can not be done any other > way. > > Huge files and incredible high processing speed come to mind. > > One article, that discussed this comes to mind. In the old days a movie > would easily fit on one of two rolls of "Nitrocellulose"...yes, it is as > explosive as it sounds. Today that technology is all but gone. Movies are > now digitized, are super high resolution, up to 64 frames a second but they > take up a lot of drive space...and the media must be absolutely > perfect...no data drops, not even a single pixel. Where else would anyone > store the complete movie like "Gravity", that is 26 Pentabytes? > > Then the new super computers. They use to be something like a single Cray > but today a Cloud farm of thousands of interconnected CPUs running as a > single computer, running at over 33.86 petaFLOPS (per second). > > There is nothing that the Cloud couldn't do when it comes to bigger, > faster and more reliable. > > This technology is not just limited to big players at extraordinary costs. > The prices are continuing coming down, if someone wants to go commercial > and any enthusiast (Geek) can set up a small Cloud system in their > basement, using off the shelf computers and software. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Development in Visual Studio" > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:31:49 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control > > I suppose I just don't see the allure of doing my business development > on the cloud. I have had my private source control since I began using > C# many years ago. It has run like clockwork. It is completely inside > of my servers. Why would I go do it out on a public server all of a > sudden? This is not a public development effort. All I am really doing > is looking at moving from SVN to GitHub, and that only because VS now > has a GitHub connector. I have two largish servers that "belong" to the > client that this code is for. Everything else of the client's is on > those servers. There is simply no point in not keeping his stuff on his > servers. > > At this point all of my development is on my own VMs running on these > servers (that I hand built ages ago) and the source control is on them > as well. > > You have spent a great deal of effort questioning why I do this but no > effort explaining why I should not. > > On 11/14/2015 4:08 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > John -- > > > > Even if your private bitbucket.org account will be hacked and locked > down you'll still have a copy of your sources on your local system disks > and in your local system backups, - if that is not safe enough IYO then you > could also have backups on a few "cloud" sites. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > -- > John W. Colby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 30 21:20:56 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:20:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <244953808.17722449.1448940056015.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> ? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 3:58:07 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control And anyway, the movie sucked, so you could spare yourself the wait and the watch. Old fart that I am, I actually went to a cinema to watch it. If you want a better movie, check out Ex Machina. That is a movie worth seeing a couple of times. ? _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 30 22:34:21 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:34:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: <565CE699.3020200@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <1440863126.17766569.1448944461575.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> No way anyone could fault that. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 4:15:21 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Jim, Would I use the cloud if I started today? Maybe but probably not. One issue is that every month I have to export 500 million names and addresses into csv text files, 500K records at a clip, push them to disk, then push those files to VMs where 3rd party software processes those csv files. The results are pushed over the internet to California for further processing on a server at Accuzip, and results brought back to my VMs, whereupon the reassembled text files, with many extra fields, are re-imported into SQL Server. I have a SQL Server doing what it does best, 4 (and potentially more) VMs doing what only they can do, Accuzip's server doing what only it can do, a development VM running my custom written (and pretty complex) control process which automates this whole process. There are just some things that don't match the cloud very well. Today the cloud wants to charge on some "per something" basis. Per I/O, Per transaction, Per core, per etc. I have two physical boxes which does this entire thing and, once built and programmed, essentially costs me nothing more than hosting fees. Yep, it cost me a lot of time and effort, but it gained me 11 years of significant income (so far). Understand that I started out doing all this stuff "manually", and piece by piece automated it. Today these files export out, process and import back in with perhaps a couple of hours of my time. And yet I am still paid, even more than I was when I did it all manually. When I started I processed a single database, 65 million records and put in perhaps 50 hours a week doing all of this processing manually. Today I process 500 million records for perhaps 5 - 10 hours a month. That is the power of automation and that is what I have done over those 11 years. On 11/30/2015 6:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Well of course you are not downloading the entire core with all the rigs and every version that will run on you smartphone up to a 3D Imax, of the movie just you can rip and view it on your TV but all that detail is saved. > > What you have is an excellent application along with the biggest and baddest home computer anyone could assemble. That said, today, few individuals would ever consider that as an option for resolving their big data problems. Most system admins would move their needs off to the web (Cloud). It is basically cheaper, faster and easier...how much would you calculate all your hours times say $65 per hour... Add the price of components, assemble, shipping, self-training, ongoing maintenance and so on. What you database server look like to me is a beautiful, hand-built, high performance sports-car...a real thing of beauty. > > If you were starting from scratch today would you follow the same route? You wouldn't necessarily have to move everything to a public Cloud. > > I would bet that with maybe ten beater boxes, not particularly tricked-out, connected in a single network, a single file-system, where all the systems work as a single entity, the same functionality (or far greater) could be obtained along with superior performance, far greater reliability and probably for a lot cheaper...right in your basement. > > I have used this video before but it does lend its self towards the new way data is managed. It shows a IBM system but really what we are seeing is a system with a number motherboards, cores and memory all connected into a single entity. With all those cores, memory and access to a group of OSS programs (services) all abstracted and assembled through an application like Juju (https://jujucharms.com/ ...which is actually what Microsoft Azure uses.) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWBNoIwGEjo > > Aside: I have been playing at this for a while with this tech with some success but given a combination of, my life is not my own and laziness, the progress has been slow. ;-) > > Jim _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com