[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs

MartyConnelly martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Mon Apr 14 14:44:46 CDT 2003


One other thing to look at is PM Project Management Certifications
generally either/or an exam and 4500 - 7500 hours experience.
 see either
http://www.comptia.org
or
http://www.pmi.org
 Just read an article on it March 17 issue of eweek mag.

Randall Anthony wrote:

> Thanks everybody for your input, I've decided to pass on that program 
> for now, I'm going to be in hot pursuit of the new MSD cert or similar 
> first, get my tech affairs in order.  I think I'll shoot for the MM in 
> the next couple of years.  Thanks again!!
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Hale, Jim [mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com]
>     Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:59 PM
>     To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>     Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs
>
>     You have a point. If the technology guy really is good he should
>     never get caught. <vbg>
>     Jim H
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
>         Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:24 PM
>         To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs
>
>         On the other hand, which is more likely to wind up in jail,
>         the manager or the technical guy? <VBG>
>          
>         Charlotte Foust
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Hale, Jim [mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com]
>             Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:14 PM
>             To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>             Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs
>
>             Exactly! Think of your competitive advantage compared to
>             other managers if you actually understand the technical
>             aspect of what you are managing. They don't, you do, you
>             win. <g> The other part of the equation IMHO is that purely
>             technical guys salary levels generally cap out below 6
>             figures. Good managers have significant growth potential
>             in both $$ and in terms of career growth. Of course it is
>             like anything else in life-- you have to enjoy it if you
>             expect to excel. Few are more miserable than a "manager"
>             who has risen to his "Peter principle" level.
>             Jim H
>
>             [Hale, Jim]  -----Original Message-----
>             From: Randall Anthony [mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com]
>             Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:56 PM
>             To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>             Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs
>
>                 Thanks for that tidbit, Charles.  I guess I'm just
>                 looking to be identified as a senior technical guy,
>                 but not a manager.  I already work for management
>                 types who create my project schedules that couldn't
>                 create a form with one table using the Access wizard! <bg> 
>
>                     -----Original Message-----
>                     From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
>                     Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:30 PM
>                     To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>                     Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
>                     Programs
>
>                     Randy,
>                      
>                     Now that you state your intention is to work
>                     toward senior management, I can state that an MBA
>                     is almost a prerequisite these days to reach that
>                     goal.  Also, experience int the operations side of
>                     an organization always helps.  With your 10+ years
>                     on the technical side with an MIS, you should
>                     consider the information intensive industries as
>                     your target organizations since that gives you 10
>                     years experience in the operational side already.
>                      
>
>                     Charles Wortz
>                     Software Development Division
>                     Texas Education Agency
>                     1701 N. Congress Ave
>                     Austin, TX 78701-1494
>                     512-463-9493
>                     CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>                     -----Original Message-----
>                     From: Randall Anthony [mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com]
>                     Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 14:18
>                     To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                     Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
>                     Programs
>                     Importance: Low
>
>                     Thanks Jim, I've been mulling over this for quite
>                     a bit now.  That's exactly what my intent was, but
>                     it seems everyone I've spoken/wrote to in the tech
>                     side is saying ROI is nil.  The minute someone
>                     sees MBA or MM it's "oh, this guys on the
>                     management track, we want somebody technical". 
>                     With my MIS degree, I pretty much do the
>                     translator/referee thing quite a bit.  Right now
>                     it's running about 8 to 1, "get some certs and
>                     experience in those cert skills, you don't need
>                     more education".  Thanks again for your advice.
>
>                         -----Original Message-----
>                         From: Hale, Jim [mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com]
>                         Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:57 PM
>                         To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                         Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
>                         Programs
>
>                         I certainly agree with Charles "if you want to
>                         stay on the technical side of the business."
>                         However, if you aspire to management and
>                         eventually senior management positions the
>                         combination of business knowledge and
>                         technical expertise is relatively rare and
>                         therefore can give you a decided edge (not to
>                         mention more $$). An MBA, or any degree for
>                         that matter, does not by itself grant business
>                         smarts but can certainly point you in the
>                         right direction.
>
>                         For example, the ability to bridge the gap as
>                         "translator" and "referee" between IT and
>                         accounting staffs by possessing in depth
>                         technical and business knowledge of both camps
>                         can make you close to indispensable in some
>                         companies ;-). (Indispensable also=$$). BTW, 
>                         Translator/referee/system designer/curmudgeon
>                         is essentially my current job description
>                         although I arrived here bassackwards from your
>                         proposed path. (I earned my MBA/CPA first and
>                         became CFO of a NY stock exchange company
>                         before switching to the database/financial
>                         reporting side because it is definitely more
>                         fun). Good luck!
>
>                         Jim Hale
>
>                         -----Original Message-----
>                         From: Wortz, Charles
>                         [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
>                         Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:12 PM
>                         To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>                         Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
>                         Programs
>
>
>                         Randy,
>
>                         As an old professor my opinion is an MBA won't
>                         hurt you, but it probably
>                         will not help you if you want to stay on the
>                         technical side of the
>                         business.  With 10+ years experience your
>                         resume and your good
>                         references should get you an interview with
>                         any place worth working.
>                         All your references will say you walk on
>                         water, won't they? <grin>
>
>                         Charles Wortz
>                         Software Development Division
>                         Texas Education Agency
>                         1701 N. Congress Ave
>                         Austin, TX 78701-1494
>                         512-463-9493
>                         CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
>                         -----Original Message-----
>                         From: Randall Anthony
>                         [mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com]
>                         Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 12:01
>                         To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>                         Subject: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
>                         Programs
>
>                         Hi y'all.  I'm looking for
>                         opinions/suggestions.  I'm looking into an
>                         accelerated Master's degree from Cambridge
>                         College (I'm also looking
>                         into Univ of Phoenix online program).  It's an
>                         MBA on tech steroids, so
>                         to speak. Besides proj mgt, etc., I'll learn
>                         Oracle 9i, Java, .net, OOP,
>                         XML, HTML, et al.  Has any one gone through
>                         this?  Better yet, any of
>                         the mgt types here have an opinion on the
>                         impact it would have on down
>                         the road?  I've got 10+ years in da business,
>                         mainly doing
>                         DBA/development in Access, SQL and .ASP. Your
>                         opinions are definitely
>                         wanted.  Thanks!
>
>                         Randy @ ext. 473
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