MartyConnelly
martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Mon Apr 14 14:44:46 CDT 2003
One other thing to look at is PM Project Management Certifications generally either/or an exam and 4500 - 7500 hours experience. see either http://www.comptia.org or http://www.pmi.org Just read an article on it March 17 issue of eweek mag. Randall Anthony wrote: > Thanks everybody for your input, I've decided to pass on that program > for now, I'm going to be in hot pursuit of the new MSD cert or similar > first, get my tech affairs in order. I think I'll shoot for the MM in > the next couple of years. Thanks again!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hale, Jim [mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:59 PM > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs > > You have a point. If the technology guy really is good he should > never get caught. <vbg> > Jim H > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:24 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs > > On the other hand, which is more likely to wind up in jail, > the manager or the technical guy? <VBG> > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hale, Jim [mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:14 PM > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs > > Exactly! Think of your competitive advantage compared to > other managers if you actually understand the technical > aspect of what you are managing. They don't, you do, you > win. <g> The other part of the equation IMHO is that purely > technical guys salary levels generally cap out below 6 > figures. Good managers have significant growth potential > in both $$ and in terms of career growth. Of course it is > like anything else in life-- you have to enjoy it if you > expect to excel. Few are more miserable than a "manager" > who has risen to his "Peter principle" level. > Jim H > > [Hale, Jim] -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Anthony [mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:56 PM > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs > > Thanks for that tidbit, Charles. I guess I'm just > looking to be identified as a senior technical guy, > but not a manager. I already work for management > types who create my project schedules that couldn't > create a form with one table using the Access wizard! <bg> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:30 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters > Programs > > Randy, > > Now that you state your intention is to work > toward senior management, I can state that an MBA > is almost a prerequisite these days to reach that > goal. Also, experience int the operations side of > an organization always helps. With your 10+ years > on the technical side with an MIS, you should > consider the information intensive industries as > your target organizations since that gives you 10 > years experience in the operational side already. > > > Charles Wortz > Software Development Division > Texas Education Agency > 1701 N. Congress Ave > Austin, TX 78701-1494 > 512-463-9493 > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Anthony [mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com] > Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 14:18 > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters > Programs > Importance: Low > > Thanks Jim, I've been mulling over this for quite > a bit now. That's exactly what my intent was, but > it seems everyone I've spoken/wrote to in the tech > side is saying ROI is nil. The minute someone > sees MBA or MM it's "oh, this guys on the > management track, we want somebody technical". > With my MIS degree, I pretty much do the > translator/referee thing quite a bit. Right now > it's running about 8 to 1, "get some certs and > experience in those cert skills, you don't need > more education". Thanks again for your advice. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hale, Jim [mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:57 PM > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters > Programs > > I certainly agree with Charles "if you want to > stay on the technical side of the business." > However, if you aspire to management and > eventually senior management positions the > combination of business knowledge and > technical expertise is relatively rare and > therefore can give you a decided edge (not to > mention more $$). An MBA, or any degree for > that matter, does not by itself grant business > smarts but can certainly point you in the > right direction. > > For example, the ability to bridge the gap as > "translator" and "referee" between IT and > accounting staffs by possessing in depth > technical and business knowledge of both camps > can make you close to indispensable in some > companies ;-). (Indispensable also=$$). BTW, > Translator/referee/system designer/curmudgeon > is essentially my current job description > although I arrived here bassackwards from your > proposed path. (I earned my MBA/CPA first and > became CFO of a NY stock exchange company > before switching to the database/financial > reporting side because it is definitely more > fun). Good luck! > > Jim Hale > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wortz, Charles > [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:12 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters > Programs > > > Randy, > > As an old professor my opinion is an MBA won't > hurt you, but it probably > will not help you if you want to stay on the > technical side of the > business. With 10+ years experience your > resume and your good > references should get you an interview with > any place worth working. > All your references will say you walk on > water, won't they? <grin> > > Charles Wortz > Software Development Division > Texas Education Agency > 1701 N. Congress Ave > Austin, TX 78701-1494 > 512-463-9493 > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Anthony > [mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com] > Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 12:01 > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters > Programs > > Hi y'all. I'm looking for > opinions/suggestions. I'm looking into an > accelerated Master's degree from Cambridge > College (I'm also looking > into Univ of Phoenix online program). It's an > MBA on tech steroids, so > to speak. Besides proj mgt, etc., I'll learn > Oracle 9i, Java, .net, OOP, > XML, HTML, et al. Has any one gone through > this? Better yet, any of > the mgt types here have an opinion on the > impact it would have on down > the road? I've got 10+ years in da business, > mainly doing > DBA/development in Access, SQL and .ASP. Your > opinions are definitely > wanted. Thanks! > > Randy @ ext. 473 > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >