Marcus, Scott (GEAE, Contractor)
scott.marcus at ae.ge.com
Fri Aug 1 10:00:52 CDT 2003
Since Bruce specifically mentioned me, I must say that I was in no way upset at the supposed hijacking of a thread (sounds too much like terrorism). I'm trying to better my posts by labeling them in the subject (at others request, not to me specifically) more accurately. We all should. Bruce, No apology needed. Continue ranting... Scott -----Original Message----- From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: .HTA/.HTB/PHP v. DotNet - was RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com (is now an apology) ...negatory Bruce ...imnsho, rants are one of the primary flavors that make AccessD so compelling ...besides which, ime, most rants here, yours included, are loaded with valuable/interesting information that I probably would never have found on my own. :) ...so while I may joke about you taking over JC's rant job, the fact is that I read most of them, enjoy most, and have learned a considerable amount from them ...yours specifically included. :) ...so don't apologize for doing us all what was imnsho, a big favor ...giving us some insight into the latest, greatest technology coming down the pipe at us. :) ...just my two bits ...others may of course differ ...I'll somehow manage to ignore them :) William Hindman "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, The Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance, and Germany doesn't want to go to war." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: RE: .HTA/.HTB/PHP v. DotNet - was RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com (is now an apology) > Scott and List, > > On re-reading the whole of the thread, it is I who should apologise. > > Recently, I have been reviewing technology choices for a friend who is > embarking on a new product development. As it involves a base of > multiple database flavours and internet deployment of the finished app > he was interested in the development "issues" of various languages with > view to understanding his risks if he chose one or more off the newer > offerings. We looked at .net (VB, ASP and C#), php (and pear), ruby, > Kylix, Delphi, Java and python. > > Somehow, I lost the central issue of the AccessD thread and gave vent to > my frustrations with the "bells and whistles" marketing disinformation > that goes with the currently avialable literature on the commercial > languages. In short, I plead "toxic feature overload", m'lud. Or > perhaps, as Lloyd Bridges said in Flying High, "I guess I picked the > wrong week to give up sniffing glue". > > Regarding C#, and given that I have only given it a cursory look as I > will explain, we were singularly unimpressed. > > According to a very technical and ex-M$ acquaintance, C# still retains > the the dangerous features of C++, notably no array bound limiting, > pointer arithmetic and inadequate garbage collection. These, IMHO, are > total no-no's in a business application development language. This was > a point I quite unadmirably did not make in that rave, so I apologise > for losing my own way in that respect. Some may argue that these > "features" are strenghts of C. For a mainstream business application > development, I disgree. They well may have uses in extremely technical > coding situations, like operating systems, DBMS engines, device drivers > and even embedded devices. But not in mainstream business application > development. They are, as far as I'm concerned as a development manager > interested in reducing risk and lowering maintenance costs, the > equivalent of the 1970's GOTO. > > Given those comments from the technical man, and the previous separate > and joint experiences of both my client and myself in C++ development > shops (both of us having experienced never-never delivery schedules and > delivery of code with incredibly expensive maintenance costs), C# was > the first cull. > > Note VB.net and ASP.net are both still in the race. As are the Borland > and non-commercial languages. > > So, again I apologise for hijacking the thread, and also apologise for > the latish apology. I have just landed another gig and took a quick day > off - fishing - before starting work. This time its development of a > RAD methodology - hmmm - should keep me off the rant for a few months at > least, so we'll just have to wait for JC's return (second coming????) > > Bruce > <snip>... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcus, Scott (GEAE, Contractor) [mailto:scott.marcus at ae.ge.com] > Sent: Thursday 2003 Jul 31 07:48 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > > Bruce, > > I reread my post and am offering an apology for sounding rude. The > discussion is interesting, I just wish it had a different subject line. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com