William Hindman
wdhindman at bellsouth.net
Fri Aug 1 09:49:39 CDT 2003
...negatory Bruce ...imnsho, rants are one of the primary flavors that make AccessD so compelling ...besides which, ime, most rants here, yours included, are loaded with valuable/interesting information that I probably would never have found on my own. :) ...so while I may joke about you taking over JC's rant job, the fact is that I read most of them, enjoy most, and have learned a considerable amount from them ...yours specifically included. :) ...so don't apologize for doing us all what was imnsho, a big favor ...giving us some insight into the latest, greatest technology coming down the pipe at us. :) ...just my two bits ...others may of course differ ...I'll somehow manage to ignore them :) William Hindman "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, The Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance, and Germany doesn't want to go to war." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: RE: .HTA/.HTB/PHP v. DotNet - was RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com (is now an apology) > Scott and List, > > On re-reading the whole of the thread, it is I who should apologise. > > Recently, I have been reviewing technology choices for a friend who is > embarking on a new product development. As it involves a base of > multiple database flavours and internet deployment of the finished app > he was interested in the development "issues" of various languages with > view to understanding his risks if he chose one or more off the newer > offerings. We looked at .net (VB, ASP and C#), php (and pear), ruby, > Kylix, Delphi, Java and python. > > Somehow, I lost the central issue of the AccessD thread and gave vent to > my frustrations with the "bells and whistles" marketing disinformation > that goes with the currently avialable literature on the commercial > languages. In short, I plead "toxic feature overload", m'lud. Or > perhaps, as Lloyd Bridges said in Flying High, "I guess I picked the > wrong week to give up sniffing glue". > > Regarding C#, and given that I have only given it a cursory look as I > will explain, we were singularly unimpressed. > > According to a very technical and ex-M$ acquaintance, C# still retains > the the dangerous features of C++, notably no array bound limiting, > pointer arithmetic and inadequate garbage collection. These, IMHO, are > total no-no's in a business application development language. This was > a point I quite unadmirably did not make in that rave, so I apologise > for losing my own way in that respect. Some may argue that these > "features" are strenghts of C. For a mainstream business application > development, I disgree. They well may have uses in extremely technical > coding situations, like operating systems, DBMS engines, device drivers > and even embedded devices. But not in mainstream business application > development. They are, as far as I'm concerned as a development manager > interested in reducing risk and lowering maintenance costs, the > equivalent of the 1970's GOTO. > > Given those comments from the technical man, and the previous separate > and joint experiences of both my client and myself in C++ development > shops (both of us having experienced never-never delivery schedules and > delivery of code with incredibly expensive maintenance costs), C# was > the first cull. > > Note VB.net and ASP.net are both still in the race. As are the Borland > and non-commercial languages. > > So, again I apologise for hijacking the thread, and also apologise for > the latish apology. I have just landed another gig and took a quick day > off - fishing - before starting work. This time its development of a > RAD methodology - hmmm - should keep me off the rant for a few months at > least, so we'll just have to wait for JC's return (second coming????) > > Bruce > <snip>... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcus, Scott (GEAE, Contractor) [mailto:scott.marcus at ae.ge.com] > Sent: Thursday 2003 Jul 31 07:48 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > > Bruce, > > I reread my post and am offering an apology for sounding rude. The > discussion is interesting, I just wish it had a different subject line. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com