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Me to. To be honest its like pi**ing in the wind speaking to them.

Martin


Quoting Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>:

> Well, that certainly lets me out! <vbg>  I'm just a working developer,
> not a star.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:18 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] .net
> 
> 
> I would say that coming are many changes to the way we use SQL Server
> and MSDE 
> and Access. I would guess that some of these changes will not be for
> the
> 
> better.
> 
> Access has a massive installed user and developer base and will always
> be 
> about. 
> 
> .NET is Microsoft strategic direction in programming applications and
> the web. 
> Up to each programmer if they stick with Access or move to .NET. There
> will 
> always be Acess work there.
> 
> Theres work with SQL Server and MSDE thats in the nature of the beast
> just 
> like Oracle. Big relational systems running the enterprise need work.
> Nice and 
> easy. NO one ever said SQL Server was maintenace free but there are
> many
> 
> developments taking place to relieve the DBA of day to day work fore
> example 
> built in dynamic performance monitoring. IBM and DB2 have some
> interesting 
> areas.
> 
> JET got the job done until you scale up and have 20000 users and
> terrabytes of 
> data. 
> 
> In my view MSDE was a marketing ploy. Nothing else.
> 
> For whats its worth I have expressed similar concerns directly to MS
> on
> many 
> of the issues raised especially the future direction of SQL Server,
> ADPs
> and 
> Access. But you need to be a rela big name int he developer world to
> get
> heard 
> properly.
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> Quoting Francisco H Tapia <my.lists at verizon.net>:
> 
> > AFAIK, MS never claimed for Sql Server or MSDE to be 
> > 'maintenance-free', and they 'are' easier to use when compared to 
> > Oracle or DB2, and for that matter
> > even mySQL.  While all engines, are simple and straightforward,
> (after
> > you
> > read the documentation) they all have their own level of complexity.
> 
> > JET,
> > for example crumbles under the load of Memo fields.  There is also 0
> > recoverability from a damaged .mdb file, if you MDB gets corrupt and
> the
> > MS
> > tools can't fix it, you are generally dead in the water.  Sql Server
> > and
> > other big brand engines provide for up to the point of failure
> > recoverability.  In order to use SqlServer or MSDE it does involve a
> > great
> > deal of learning the product, but I think it's just the same as when
> we
> > all
> > started down the road with JET.
> > 
> > -Francisco
> > http://rcm.netfirms.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:27 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] .net
> > 
> > 
> > : Unless common sense rears its ugly head somewhere along the way.
> > SQL
> > : Server and the desktop engine are not the maintenance free,
> > easy-to-use
> > : creatures that MS claims.  At least Jet got the job done without
> > needing
> > : a dba on tap.
> > :
> > : Charlotte Foust
> > :
> > : -----Original Message-----
> > : From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > : Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:33 AM
> > : To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > : Subject: Re: [AccessD] .net
> > :
> > :
> > : I think the true future of Access will not be really known
> > : until Access 12 is available. I do know JET and DAO are
> > : dead today. No further development of either AFAIK. Could
> > : all change but we have to wait and see.
> > :
> > : Lot of confusion it would appear
> > :
> > : Martin
> > :
> > : Martin WP Reid
> > : Information Services
> > : Queens University Belfast
> > :
> > : Tel: (02890) 273750
> > :
> > :
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