Henry Simpson
hsimpson88 at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 4 22:17:00 CST 2003
Quoting from 2 of Drew's messages: -------- Now with wonderful, beautiful VBScript, it could careless what kind of spacing or capitalization you use! To me it is just intuitive. 'Seperating' your variables by case is a bad methodology. -------- A sign of carelessness is substituting 'careless' for 'care less' and spelling a variable like 'Separating' as 'Seperating' which is not merely a case issue. Attention to detail is a good thing for programmers to pursue. JavaScript is not Java and you'll find that VB will not tolerate a difference in case between multiple instances of the same variable. The editor enforces this. I think that VBScript is the peculiar language. If you ask VB whether "jack" = "Jack", it will return false as there is no 'Option Compare Database'. What 'lazy - productive' programmers need is an editor that does the case enforcement for them. I haven't used JavaScript but have written some applets in Java (on a Windows machine) using the swing libraries and they run just fine in IE 5.5 and 6. What's nice is that Java will run on a wide variety of platforms. If Microsoft will be distributing the necessary libraries with their OS's, I will be able to target a much wider variety of platforms and gain a wider potential market for my software. I find it very compelling that an application I write in Java can be used on Mac, Unix, Linux and MS boxes. Historically, Microsoft has deliberately added incompatible 'extensions' to their implementations of languages in order to promote their OS's and I doubt that this is about to change. Besides all that, you can download the language and some quite nice editors at no cost. The help is extensive and there is a great deal of source code. Universities and colleges are relying more and more on this language as a teaching instrument because it is a true object oriented language that fits well with teaching the current flavour of programming and there are no licensing issues. Where I live, Java is taught at the college level for computing science in preference to C++ and .Net isn't even on the radar. The immediate upshot is that we will likely see an increasing number of Java applications for the forseeable future. All that said, I like COM and DCOM and would love to see further development in that area. Very few businesses even began to leverage the capabilities that existed in Office 97. For standalone and workstation systems as well as small local high speed LANs running a single OS, Microsoft could continue to dominate in the business world. It would be sad to see them abandon the advantage they've built here and permit competitors like Star Office take a lead. I'd far rather see them build more capability here than to immitate Java. Unfortunately, they often don't see things the way I do. I expect they know what they are doing and their marketing and research has been successful in the past so there's little point in second guessing or whining. Time will tell. Hen >From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] .net >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:45:58 -0600 > ><rant> >Personally I wish JavaScript (similar to Java...sorta...) would be wiped >from the face of the planet! <VBG> > >I've used both JavaScript and VBScript on some of our intranet sites (I try >desperately not to use scripting on Internet sites....). I'll tell you, my >biggest pet peeve with JScript is that a and A are different variables. >And >Function, or fUnction won't work. Now with wonderful, beautiful VBScript, >it could careless what kind of spacing or capitalization you use! ></rant> > ><VBG> > >Drew > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:58 PM >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: Re: [AccessD] .net > > >Given that Sun won a chunk of its lawsuit against Microsoft and Microsoft >has been ordered to to distribute the Java core libraries with their >operating systems, you may want to think about Java. In many ways it >appears that .Net is an attempt to reinvent Java. Microsoft software >engineers have the advantage of having a more mature product to model and >won't be repeating some of the earlier miscues taken by early Java. >However, it still seems like they are bringing in old baggage. With the >ongoing business object standardization since the original roll out of >Java, > >Microsoft has the opportunity to start with a cleaner slate. Although >Microsoft certainly has an opportunity with .net, my money is on Java and >I've spent several months working with and learning about Java. There are >some nice free RAD GUI tools. As yet I am not competent to comment about >the database capabilities that are of prime interest to list members. It >appears that Java has class wrappers for ADO or that there are COM objects >that operate as an interface. Although I am most comfortable with Access >and it is certainly much faster to develop database applications with it at >this time, I wonder if Microsoft is inventing Betamax with .Net and how far >off a "bound" version of Access.Net is. > >Hen > > > > >From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com> > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] .net > >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:35:48 -0500 > > > >.Net is several things: first and lowest, it's the .Net framework, a huge > >collection of classes that form a language-independent framework atop >which > >the various .Net languages sit. Once you have installed the framework and > >its SDK, technically all you need is an editor to begin writing .Net >apps. > >Notepad will do. However, more realistically, you'd want some fancy GUI > >editor that lets you drag and drop and writes code from your actions. >Such > >editors include Visual Basic.Net, Visual C#.Net, ASP.Net and Dreamweaver, > >with others > >on the way from Borland. Visual Studio.Net includes both ASP.Net, VB.Net > >and > >C#.Net -- the latter two are available separately and are quite cheap. > > > >Personally, I disagree with Susan. I think that you should begin learning > >.Net as soon as you can. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:15 PM > >Subject: [AccessD] .net > > > > > > > Martin, > > > > > > You recommended learning .net programming I think. What is it and how > >do > >I > > > get whatever it is. Is it a new VB language? An environment? > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > Colby Consulting > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail