John W. Colby
jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Fri Feb 7 13:25:00 CST 2003
I suppose I shouldn't have used "I agree.." in the very first sentence. Sorry if I embarrassed you! ;-) John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:12 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Yee Haw.... Lest we be seen to agree in public, JC, let me object that MySQL can work on big iron, too. And if you have 120M rows in a table and need to select the top 10 according to some column(s), nothing can do it quicker than MySQL. It lacks a lot, but speed isn't on the list. So the big iron folks unafraid of Linux and having 120M rows in various tables (c.f. Yahoo) use MySQL. The banks and the other suits trust Larry. All the same, a MySQL install is a little like an Austin Healey 3000. Be prepared to tinker, and to have to know stuff that mere mortals cannot fathom :-) OTOH I notice that the Linux guys get more money per hour than us Windoze guys. A. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: February 7, 2003 1:40 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Yee Haw.... I pretty much agree. Databases are not like networks where a packet is a packet is a packet. The problem of running the db on the big iron is one that MS isn't addressing. I suspect that they are just waiting for the micros to become the big iron, but that hasn't happened yet, and probably never will. If you can't run SQL Server on your mainframe, then you WILL find something else to do that job. Oracle is it so far. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 1:20 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Yee Haw.... IME MS is a long way from swallowing Oracle. The big players will stick to Oracle to the end, not least because by now they have invested a large number of dollars in java sprocs, which are portable nowhere else (yet). In addition, the two fastest dbs around are Oracle and MySQL. Both also run on the biggest hardware you have. SQL 2000 doesn't. Maybe some sequel will, but at the moment if you run SQL 2000 it's on a Win server. Besides all this, there is trusted Oracle, the kind of thing that banks buy. They are not going to switch easily. I'm no champion of Oracle or anything, although I do love several of its qualities, but that's beside the point. The culture in Oracle houses will persist for a long time, no matter what MS does, methinks. A. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Adams Sent: February 7, 2003 12:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Yee Haw.... You think price might come into the equation? What's the number one motivation for the growth of *Nix? Say $5,000 per processor for Sql Server vs. $0 for PostGreSql? Don't have the number for Windows 2000 Server vs. *Nix but sure they're comparable. Dare we price the coming .Net server without getting a nosebleed? Tom (We won't even mention security!) Adams Ever see the picture of a little fish, about to be swallowed by a bigger fish, about to be swallowed by an even bigger fish, ... several move layers? In todays *Nix wars it's the reverse ... M$ is about to swallow Oracle in the Sql Databases area, *Nix is about to swallow M$ in the Server operating systems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Barabash" <BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Yee Haw.... > Well actually yes: > http://wwws.sun.com/software/chilisoft/ > (but it ain't cheap!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Adams [mailto:tomadatn at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:01 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Yee Haw.... > > > Oh. So ASP runs on *Nix now? > > Tom (As the operating system goes, so goes the programming language.) 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