Drew Wutka
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Thu Feb 13 15:45:01 CST 2003
My personal favorite saying is: He who learns but does not think is lost. He who thinks but does not learn is in grave danger. -- Confuscious (Supposedly) Drew -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:48 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Just curious > A Quote from your site Shamil...oh so true! Yes, and I like this too: "Creativity is the process of bringing something new into being...creativity requires passion and commitment. Out of the creative act is born symbols and myths. It brings to our awareness what was previously hidden and points to new life. The experience is one of heightened consciousness-ecstasy." Rollo May Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: RE: [AccessD] Just curious > There are those who will tell you that programming is simply a matter of > combining various elements so that they work together correctly to produce a > desired result. This description is accurate, but it is cut-and-dried > explanation of what is really an art. Programming is more a matter of > artistry than anything else. Whether you're a painter, sculptor, writer, or > programmer, a creative, careful approach and good intuition are necessary to > ensure a successful outcome. > > > Susanne Marie Rodriguez. Ashton-Tate & Framework > > > > A Quote from your site Shamil...oh so true! > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:43 PM > To: AccessD > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Just curious > > > <<< > I started seeing the occasional cryptic message > about WithEvents... > >>> > John, > > JFY and others - here are never published before draft working docs from > DARTS Ltd. back to October 1998 (these docs show that the WithEvents-based > DEEP-Object Concept may give ~92% gain in source code lines when used within > an application framework): > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/deep/deepstats.htm > > Here are also working docs comparing old and new styles of programming of > what was called DAISY-framework (they are a kind of naive from my current > point of view but still valid): > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/deep/oldstyle.htm > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/deep/deepstyle.htm > > And here is the cryptic(?) doc announcing DEEP-Object Concept, which was > published on WWDN in September 1998: > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/deepcnpt.htm > > > Looking back, I don't really understand why. > > It's really easy stuff but I did > I think this isn't easy stuff, John. > And it's natural that it needs some time to "have one's mind properly > shifted/adapted" to it - then it starts looking easy but only for you and > for some others, who have reached a certain level or understanding of how it > works and how it can be naturally (and easily) applied for real-life > tasks... > > > from this Russian Guy (Shamil) > John, but why Shamil in round brackets? Why this Russian Guy? > Why not "Shamil Salakhetdinov from St.Petersburg, Russia, my e-mail fellow > and an age-old AccessD member, who helped me to get into DEEP-Object Concept > and to make the first trial port/test/POC of small part of my ADFramework > back in June '99"? > > Just wondering what brackets around my first name mean, > Shamil :) > > P.S. BTW, just out of curiosity - have a look at VB.NET(C#) code for > WinForms and then compare it with some code samples from this article: > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/deep4sa.htm written in autumn > 1998... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:26 AM > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Just curious > > > > LOL. It definitely isn't "my book". I was hired to help update the book > to > > the next rev of Access (XP). However I am now working on the NEXT rev > (for > > the office version in Beta) and that is going to be a complete rewrite. > > Myself, one of the original authors, and one of the other 5 guys working > on > > the last book. IOW three of us, rewriting it pretty much from scratch. > > Moving to ADO etc. So that will be "my book" (kinda). > > > > And BTW, Martin is a tech editor on this new one. > > > > Anyway, no, all of my class experience is NOT in (or related to) the book, > > nor will it be in the next one. The title kinda locks us in to what we > can > > put in it... BEGINNING Access XXX VBA. But I also wrote a series of > > articles on classes, discussing a lot of what we are talking about here. > > Those are on our web site. > > > > I started using classes hmmm... about 3 or 4 years ago now. I started > > seeing the occasional cryptic message about WithEvents from this Russian > Guy > > (Shamil) which caught my attention. I went to his site and downloaded all > > of his demos, but had a bit of a rough time understanding the concept. > > Looking back, I don't really understand why. It's really easy stuff but I > > did. Tried it, went away, tried it, went away. Finally one time it just > > clicked. It clicked so well that I decided to completely rewrite my > > framework to be class / withevents driven. Which I did. > > > > Now I use classes and withevents everywhere. But to get here I have > written > > an entire framework with probably 39 classes, of which 19 are WithEvents > > based. My framework is now a really cool thing (in my eyes anyway) that > can > > be initialized by initializing a class. It reads parameters out of a > table > > in the framework MDA to set up it's operation, reads parameters out of an > > additional SysVar table in the FE to set up the framework for this > specific > > front end, and finally reads SysVars out of a table to set up the > > application itself. > > > > I have classes for zipping and unzipping files (uses Raisevents even!), > > classes for encrypting and decrypting stuff (from a thread awhile back), > > classes to upload and download files from the web, etc. Once you get a > > framework like this set up, it can dramatically lower your development > costs > > for front ends. > > > > Anyway, enough on that. Classes and Withevents, great stuff. > > > > John W. 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