[AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com

Haslett, Andrew andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au
Tue Jul 29 22:07:27 CDT 2003


At the product I attended they were launching both together (VS.Net and
Windows 2003). I've received heaps of advertising in both areas.. It depends
on what you subscribe to.

They are pushing them in different areas too.  They're targetting windows
2003 more at existing NT4 networks as the reasons to upgrade from 2000 are
relatively minimal. .Net is being targetted at existing ASP, VB developers
as well as trying to grab a small share of the Java community with C#.  Its
a well known fact that there are more VB developers in the world than any
other, and with the porting of stand-alone apps to a web interface becoming
ever more predominant, it offers an extra piece of the pie that .NET is
hoping to get.

I disagree with the 'Too Late into the market' statement - if it were a
static or shrinking market then yes - perhaps, however the number of
required web sites is obviously still growing at a reasonable rate, and will
more than likely continue long into the future. Long enough for it to
establish itself which it has done reasonably well IMO, in the short time it
has been out.  You can go to different web sites, read different articles,
etc and get different views on how popular it is - most of the time it
depends on the personal preferences of the author.

.NET won't and doesn't need to, completely wipe out any other opposition.
Other languages will retain their place as there will always be percentages
of coders who wish to stick to their preferred language, as long as it can
do what the others can in a similar time frame.  The push that VS.Net is
giving (and one that I agree with) is that once you become competent with
the tools, you are able to develop the same application in less time.  The
Java community are still lacking and genuine IDE that can do this.

I don't see myself as biassed in any particular direction, even though we
are predominantly a MS dominated corporation. I've dabbled with numerous
languages such as Cold Fusion, ASP, C, Java, Perl, PHP - but can still see
the advantages that .Net offers.

Cheers,
Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 4:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com


Well, I supose we have different marketing profile at ms :-)

I usealy register as solution provider if have a choice and not a
developer...

I really do believe they are more focussing on Server 2003.
They have a serious problem with that. 60% of all (Windows) servers in
the world are still running NT4. There is a huge market for them. If
those servers are not upgraded no .Net will ever run... Apparently the
invested a lot of effort in the upgrade wizard from NT4 to 2003.
Upgrading from NT4 to W2K is a real pain in the a*s


Erwin



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Marcus, Scott (GEAE, Contractor) [mailto:scott.marcus at ae.ge.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 29 juli 2003 21:07
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com


Erwin,

Weird since my situation was completely the reverse of yours.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com


Well I just checked (I keep all my mails)

I got two mails (21/3 and 25/4) saying Visual Studio 2003 is gooing to
be launched togheter with Server 2003 and thats it. And I got lots of
mails for Server 2003. I'm sure they are puttig much more effort in
launching Server 2003 than launching VS 2003.
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