Drew Wutka
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Thu Jul 31 21:22:25 CDT 2003
Sorry, I'm WAY behind on my list posts (It's showing 633 unread right
now....). This is definitely my ball of wax, in fact, Susan and I just
wrote up an article about this.
Okay, here's the deal, there is a MAJOR drawback to using Integrated Windows
Authentication. The drawback is, that you cannot use any resources that are
not directly located on the IIS server. For example, if you have an IIS
server hosting your Intranet, and you have a file server that has company
databases on it, you cannot access the company databases from the Intranet,
through ASP. In fact, I don't even think a link would work either...in fact
I am 98% sure of that, but I'm too swamped to test it. The reason is, the
Integrated method creates a local token, not a domain token, so it's only
valid on the local machine, not anywhere else on the domain.
Now, Anonymous and Plain Text Authentication both create valid network
tokens. So both of those methods are able to access other network
resources. However, with Anonymous, you can't tell who is hitting the site,
because everyone is using the same 'anonymous' account. You can tell the IP
Address though, and I would guess there has got to be a way to get the
logged on user from the current IP address from a domain controller....would
have to think about how to do that. With Plain Text authentication though,
you can tell who's logged in (in fact the login credentials can be in the
URL), but the name and password are sent through the lines in plain text (as
the method is titled). In fact, you can retrieve the password through ASP.
There is a fourth option, but only if the IIS server is a controlling server
on an Active Directory domain. It is called digest authentication, but it
also requires that your domain uses reversible encryption. It works a lot
like Integrated Windows authentication, but it doesn't have the local
resource issue.
Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Retreiving user login name via ASP
No drawbacks at all. In fact its a (very simple) security enhancement, in
that only authorised users of your domain can now access the site.
Don't know your environment, but if your site were to hold sensitive
information and it were hacked from outside somehow, then its an extra step
for the hackers to get around since anonymous access is disabled.
Cheers,
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2003 9:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Retreiving user login name via ASP
Got it. I had to disable Anonymous Access and now I see the user name. Any
thoughts on what effect doing this will have if we disable anonymous access
on our intranet?
Thanks a lot for the help Andrew.
Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Retreiving user login name via ASP
Jim,
In IIS, right click the website in question to bring up its properties.
Under Directory Security you will see options for a number of methods of
authentication. Uncheck everything except integrated and the Users NT login
will then be used to authenticate them to your site.
Their details should also then be passed to those HTTP server variables for
you to access. If that doesn't work then there must be a setting incorrect
somewhere as it does work - we use it in our apps on the intranet at work.
Cheers,
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2003 2:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Retreiving user login name via ASP
Andrew,
This didn't work. How do I know if we're using Integrated Authentication?
Is that Windows or IIS?
Thanks,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Retreiving user login name via ASP
If using Integrated Authentication, the NT user name is passed through the
browser HTTP Server variables.
Try this:
Response.Write (Request.ServerVariables("LOGON_USER"))
This returns a string in the format domain\username
If LOGON_USER doesn't work, try REMOTE_USER
Cheers,
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 6:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Retreiving user login name via ASP
Having a disagreement with the boss that maybe someone here can clear up for
me. He thinks there is a way to return the Win2K user login name from an
ASP page. I'm not 100% certain but I don't know that I've ever seen that
done.
Does anyone know if it's possible? If it is a code sample would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim DeMarco
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