John Colby
jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Tue Jun 10 10:09:17 CDT 2003
Yes, redemption bypasses the entire problem... and creates a whole new set.
Redemption is "programmed to", i.e. you have to change your code to use it.
Once you do that it has to be available on the computer or you will get
runtime (or compile) errors. It also has to be registered (installed) on
each machine. The specific system I am working on is installed on about 30
machines, but only 2 actually send email. I don't particularly want to
install redemption on 30 machines so that 2 can send email. Not to mention
having to (remember to) install it on every machine in the future.
Actually, in this case the client has not installed the SPs that causes the
issue so I don't need Redemption there at all. OTOH, my dev machine now
prompts me for every email I try to send. If I install Redemption on my
machine and program to it, do I then have to install it on the client
machines even though they don't need it?
As you can see, Redemption may be an answer in certain situations. It can
also be a PITA in others.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption Code (was - OK, ya talked into it)
John,
I might have the name a little wrong. In a company that uses Exchange for
email, there is an Outlook Security Administration screen that IT
administrators can use to turn on and off the annoying message. I think the
screen can choose for each user, and for each different application trying
to send a non-displayed email through Outlook (or Express?). If you have a
stand-alone PC you can't turn off the message for Outlook email, as far as I
know. But it sounds like Redemption bypasses the whole problem.
HTH,
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption Code (was - OK, ya talked into it)
what are the Outlook Security Administrator's tools?
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption Code (was - OK, ya talked into it)
Charlotte,
Where could I learn about Redemption code? I expect to hit the 'are you
sure' message problem fairly frequently. I could instruct the IT folks at
my clients on how to the Outlook Security Administrator's tools, but I would
like to avoid it.
Thanks!
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OK, ya talked into it
John,
Redemption code will work whether or not the service packs are there. The
only thing that must be there is the CDO library and you can test for that.
Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OK, ya talked into it
The problem with that is that you have to change your coding. If I do it
for this client, they Don't have the SPs installed and the code would fail.
A gnarly little problem. 8-(
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OK, ya talked into it
Ok,
I just wanted to insure that you were aware that Ken's program was not the
problem. I'm not sure if uninstalling Outlook by itself will remove the
Service Pack. I believe that you may have to completely uninstall Office
and then reinstall it, up thru SP 1A. Of course, you could do as Charlotte
suggested; use the Redemption .dll. And this might be a good time to start
using it so that if you run across a client who has the security features in
their Office products, you will already be familiar with its use.
John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OK, ya talked into it
John,
I understand that. The problem from my perspective is that there are TWO
issues with the SP - attachments disappearing and messages prompting to be
sent. ken's widget fixed one, I didn't think about the other, and now I
have a problem that only uninstalling Outlook and re-installing will solve.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OK, ya talked into it
John,
If the "widget" you're talking about is Ken Slovak's Attachment Options
(http://www.slovaktech.com/attachmentoptions.htm) then his program did not
cause the prompt to appear. The Office service pack you installed caused
it. (Office 2K, SP 2 or later, and Office XP SP 2). Ken Slovak's Attachment
Options permits the Outlook user to move attachments from Level 1 to Level
2. It does not add the prompt you are now getting.
John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498
"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OK, ya talked into it
Forget the widget and use Redemption. It uses Extended MAPI calls and
bypasses the security issues entirely. Of course, you could use SMTP, but
that's a different thing altogether.
Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:46 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OK, ya talked into it
Well, someone on the list sent a link to a widget that allows me to tell
Outlook to NOT disable certain attachments, so without thinking about it
further, I upgraded to the latest service pack. Of course NOW... it is
popping up an obnoxious "your an idiot and some code on your computer is
trying to send an email using outlook automation - are you SURE" message
whenever I try and send email programmatically.
So, is there an equivalent widget that will allow me to turn off Microsoft's
attempts to protect themselves from lawsuits?
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
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