Porter, Mark
MPorter at acsalaska.com
Wed Jun 11 13:31:06 CDT 2003
No, I did not get that impression at all. You seem to have a reputation which preceeds you, and allows you to work where you want. You do not need to bring the 'heat' of certs or degrees to get in the door. We also seem to agree that these qualifications are only valuable in obtaining a job. I also agree that the knowledge I gain (other than fundamental) will be worthless in 10 years - as will many certifications. The degree will not expire though. To me, most higher education (collegiate) is an exercise in BS. How much of it goes out the window on contact with your first real job? But it's an exercise you stuck with and completed, regardless of bureaucratic nonsense or professors. So in 10 years I will still have a Masters Degree, regardless of wether or not the knoweledge is still valid. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:37 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification Mark, I hope I didn't give you the impression that I thought a Masters degree was worthless. A good theoretical underpinning is always helpful, but not enough to solve practical problems. As to your comment that your degree will not expire; what you learn at the Masters level today will probably be expected to be the minimum for a Bachelors degree in ten years time. So you still have the degree, but your level of theoretical knowledge has shifted downward. What I did my dissertation research on is now taught in undergraduate courses! Charles Wortz Software Development Division Texas Education Agency 1701 N. Congress Ave Austin, TX 78701-1494 512-463-9493 CWortz at tea.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Wednesday 2003 Jun 11 11:08 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification I agree with your statement completely. Personally, I not hold much weight in either higher education or certifications. Once you are in the door they are effectively toilet paper. However, with your degrees and certifications you have the option of presenting them if it is convenient for you to do so. My route was a judgement call for going for higher education rather than certifications. I always seem to be put in charge after a time and figured it to be the best choice. We'll see how it pans out. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:47 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification As one that has acquired many degrees and many certifications over the years, I have found they are only good for getting hired at the types of organization that I don't want to work for. I prefer working where I enjoy the work and they value my performance, not my degrees and certificates. I no longer even list any of my degrees and certificates on my business card. Charles Wortz -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Tuesday 2003 Jun 10 12:14 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification I got tired of the certification and recertification mess before I even passed my first one. New ones came out (or were comming out) before I could complete my current ones. I'm pursuing a Masters in IT instead. At least they don't expire. _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you.