Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
bchacc at san.rr.com
Wed Jun 11 16:05:38 CDT 2003
Fine. Less competition for my kids. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > >>I suppose if we ignore the problem long enough, it will eventually go > away > > No, it will eventually graduate a bunch of functional illiterates who > won't be able to support themselves or function effectively in a high > tech society except to play video games. The cult of self-esteeem has a > great deal to answer for, but they will never be called to account ... > Unlike the taxpayers who wind up supporting those who are unemployable. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:36 AM > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > As an aside... I was told this morning from a spouse of a local > elementary school teacher that the principal of said school has decided > NOT to hold back a single student this year. Students with > unsatisfactory (we can't say "failing", can we?) grades across the board > are being sent on regardless of teacher recommendations. Of course the > principal is only part of the problem. The teacher is also aware of > parents (most?, some?, all?) who were advised to hold back their child > have chosen instead to let their child continue on. > > > ...I suppose if we ignore the problem long enough, it will eventually go > away. :( > > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:09 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > I read something long ago that would indicate why this is so. According > to this article, the university system as we know it got it's start in > the middle ages. The average Joe did not go to school, did not know how > to read or write. Universities were originally designed to "educate" > the sons and daughters of the ruling class. The intended subjects of > the system did not work, they ruled. They had no need to "go get a > job". They needed skills distinctly different from those needed today. > > Unfortunately those in power in the university system do it "the way it > has always been done". A classic example of this is the ludicrous > practice of forcing medical interns to stay on duty 48 hours at a time > with only a couple of hours sleep. Everyone acknowledges that this is > dangerous, to the interns and even more so to the poor slob being seen > by these sleep deprived interns. But... "that's the way it has always > been done". > > And so we live in a world where the college graduate has been forced to > do the "choose two from basket weaving, choose two from music, choose > two from science". Yep, been there, done that. What a waste. > > And of course the defenders of the system CLAIM that the purpose is not > to train them to do a particular job (which is actually a good thing) > but to learn how to think. If only that were true! > > Try disputing anything the professor says and see how fast you are > taught NOT to think! > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:48 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification > > > Vlad, > > As a former college professor, I also notice that many of these "so > called Highly Qualified Graduates" are not only "regurgitators of info" > with "no people skills whatsoever" but also have no analytical skills. > > At most of the colleges and universities that I taught at I was the only > Computer Science faculty member that had any real-world experience as a > programmer/analyst. And I was the only one that designed my tests as > problems to solve, not multiple-guess or fill-in-the-blank type tests. I > wanted my students to learn how to analyze and solve problems, not > regurgitate data, which a trained monkey can do. > > One of the reasons I quit teaching is I got tired of butting heads with > departmental chairs and school deans that didn't understand there was a > difference between theoretical knowledge and practical knowledge and > that the graduate from a bachelor level program needs to have some > practical knowledge if he/she is to expect to find a job in the real > world. Only about 1% of the students could hope to become clones of > their professors, they rest needed to be able to survive in the real > world. > > Charles Wortz > Software Development Division > Texas Education Agency > 1701 N. Congress Ave > Austin, TX 78701-1494 > 512-463-9493 > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com