Charlotte Foust
cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Wed Jun 11 16:10:08 CDT 2003
Certainly there are books, Martin. I often used Dr. Spock to whack my youngster across his fundament when he was a sprout. I didn't say the books were for reading, after all! <g> Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:26 AM To: accessd Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system There are books on being a parent and heres me thinking you made it up as you went along (<: Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > Well, after we shoot all the lawyers ... <VBG> > > Actually, poor parenting may not always be the cause, but it certainly > can be and probably often is. The trouble is that the users manuals > for children were created by the same wonderful folks that brought us > HTML help, and there are no licensing requirements to make sure > prospective parents know what they're doing. Hmmn, that sounds a lot > like some of the so-called Access "developers" I've cleaned up after! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:35 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > The sad part is not that they continue on, but that there is nothing > outside the mainstream regular classroom to address their needs. > > Not to mention the fact that all too often these children fail not > because of a lack of ability, but a lack of motivation. At an early > age that can only be provided by the parent. How do you fix poor > parenting? > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:20 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > >>I suppose if we ignore the problem long enough, it will eventually > >>go > away > > No, it will eventually graduate a bunch of functional illiterates who > won't be able to support themselves or function effectively in a high > tech society except to play video games. The cult of self-esteeem has > a great deal to answer for, but they will never be called to account > ... Unlike the taxpayers who wind up supporting those who are > unemployable. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:36 AM > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > As an aside... I was told this morning from a spouse of a local > elementary school teacher that the principal of said school has > decided NOT to hold back a single student this year. Students with > unsatisfactory (we can't say "failing", can we?) grades across the > board are being sent on regardless of teacher recommendations. Of > course the principal is only part of the problem. The teacher is also > aware of parents (most?, some?, all?) who were advised to hold back > their child have chosen instead to let their child continue on. > > > ...I suppose if we ignore the problem long enough, it will eventually > go away. :( > > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:09 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > I read something long ago that would indicate why this is so. > According to this article, the university system as we know it got > it's start in the middle ages. The average Joe did not go to school, > did not know how to read or write. Universities were originally > designed to "educate" the sons and daughters of the ruling class. The > intended subjects of the system did not work, they ruled. They had no > need to "go get a job". They needed skills distinctly different from > those needed today. > > Unfortunately those in power in the university system do it "the way > it has always been done". A classic example of this is the ludicrous > practice of forcing medical interns to stay on duty 48 hours at a time > with only a couple of hours sleep. Everyone acknowledges that this is > dangerous, to the interns and even more so to the poor slob being seen > by these sleep deprived interns. But... "that's the way it has always > been done". > > And so we live in a world where the college graduate has been forced > to do the "choose two from basket weaving, choose two from music, > choose two from science". Yep, been there, done that. What a waste. > > And of course the defenders of the system CLAIM that the purpose is > not to train them to do a particular job (which is actually a good > thing) but to learn how to think. If only that were true! > > Try disputing anything the professor says and see how fast you are > taught NOT to think! > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, > Charles > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:48 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification > > > Vlad, > > As a former college professor, I also notice that many of these "so > called Highly Qualified Graduates" are not only "regurgitators of > info" with "no people skills whatsoever" but also have no analytical > skills. > > At most of the colleges and universities that I taught at I was the > only Computer Science faculty member that had any real-world > experience as a programmer/analyst. And I was the only one that > designed my tests as problems to solve, not multiple-guess or > fill-in-the-blank type tests. I wanted my students to learn how to > analyze and solve problems, not regurgitate data, which a trained > monkey can do. > > One of the reasons I quit teaching is I got tired of butting heads > with departmental chairs and school deans that didn't understand there > was a difference between theoretical knowledge and practical knowledge > and that the graduate from a bachelor level program needs to have some > practical knowledge if he/she is to expect to find a job in the real > world. Only about 1% of the students could hope to become clones of > their professors, they rest needed to be able to survive in the real > world. > > Charles Wortz > Software Development Division > Texas Education Agency > 1701 N. 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