[AccessD] .net

I fervently hope that the idea of a personal, albeit powerful, relational
database does not get lost in the rush to "the new greatest thing" such as
.Net. The ability of non IT (and IT) types to drop data down to their
machines and tinker with it is invaluable and  one of the most important
aspects of Access. Many bells and whistles have been added to the product
over the years but at its heart the secret to Access's success  IMHO is the
ability it gives a single user to easily get his arms around his data.
Anything that makes it harder to do this, such as making the programming
language too "techie", would devalue it's usefulness. There has always been
a tradeoff between power and ease of use. My impression and fear is that MS
is tilting dangerously away from the ease of use end of the spectrum. If the
techies have won the design wars power users will be the losers to the
ultimate detriment of the industry as a whole.
Jim Hale

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I would say that coming are many changes to the way we use SQL Server and
MSDE
and Access. I would guess that some of these changes will not be for the
better.

Access has a massive installed user and developer base and will always be
about.

.NET is Microsoft strategic direction in programming applications and the
web.
Up to each programmer if they stick with Access or move to .NET. There will
always be Acess work there.

Theres work with SQL Server and MSDE thats in the nature of the beast just
like Oracle. Big relational systems running the enterprise need work. Nice
and
easy. NO one ever said SQL Server was maintenace free but there are many
developments taking place to relieve the DBA of day to day work fore example
built in dynamic performance monitoring. IBM and DB2 have some interesting
areas.

JET got the job done until you scale up and have 20000 users and terrabytes
of
data.

In my view MSDE was a marketing ploy. Nothing else.

For whats its worth I have expressed similar concerns directly to MS on many
of the issues raised especially the future direction of SQL Server, ADPs and
Access. But you need to be a rela big name int he developer world to get
heard
properly.


Martin


Quoting Francisco H Tapia <my.lists at verizon.net>:

> AFAIK, MS never claimed for Sql Server or MSDE to be 'maintenance-free',
> and
> they 'are' easier to use when compared to Oracle or DB2, and for that
> matter
> even mySQL.  While all engines, are simple and straightforward, (after
> you
> read the documentation) they all have their own level of complexity.
> JET,
> for example crumbles under the load of Memo fields.  There is also 0
> recoverability from a damaged .mdb file, if you MDB gets corrupt and the
> MS
> tools can't fix it, you are generally dead in the water.  Sql Server
> and
> other big brand engines provide for up to the point of failure
> recoverability.  In order to use SqlServer or MSDE it does involve a
> great
> deal of learning the product, but I think it's just the same as when we
> all
> started down the road with JET.
>
> -Francisco
> http://rcm.netfirms.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] .net
>
>
> : Unless common sense rears its ugly head somewhere along the way.
> SQL
> : Server and the desktop engine are not the maintenance free,
> easy-to-use
> : creatures that MS claims.  At least Jet got the job done without
> needing
> : a dba on tap.
> :
> : Charlotte Foust
> :
> : -----Original Message-----
> : From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> : Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:33 AM
> : To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> : Subject: Re: [AccessD] .net
> :
> :
> : I think the true future of Access will not be really known
> : until Access 12 is available. I do know JET and DAO are
> : dead today. No further development of either AFAIK. Could
> : all change but we have to wait and see.
> :
> : Lot of confusion it would appear
> :
> : Martin
> :
> : Martin WP Reid
> : Information Services
> : Queens University Belfast
> :
> : Tel: (02890) 273750
> :
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