Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Sat Mar 8 12:59:00 CST 2003
> if you went by the rules Yes, Eric, I went by the rules - their rules (this is written in my another message - answer to Martin) > and 'them' accepting your 'business' visa application knowing your > kids were involved makes it their fault IMO. Yes, they accepted that - in fact as I've written in another message in the invitation is explicitly written that my visit is a mix of business and tourism - this isn't possible? And in their Visum application form, pos#29 on the top: Purpose of travel http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/download/visum/vap02.gif - there are several checkboxes and within them "Tourism" and "Business" - as far as I can remember I checked both (but I'm not sure now) - but if I checked only one - what is the problem? - they can just call me/my partner and reask and check both checkboxes by themselves - they can and DO correct the forms by themselves when during application they see some problems with these forms... - and the text of the invitation (quoted in the answer to Martin) doesn't have any double meaning IMO - it asks for permission to visit Shengen Zone for business AND tourism purposes... > You payed for a service Yes, I paid for their 'service' - about USD90 in total... > with not so much visa knowledge, right?:-) Yes, Eric, I don't have visa application process knowledge - if you know some rules could you please advise?: - Is that my right to ask for the meeting with the Consul and ask for his name? - I know this is my right to ask them for the official paper where it should be written what are the formal rules/laws, which I violated - how should I proceed to get this official paper? - Is that my right to ask for the names of all who paticipate in this mockery? If yes, what is the "trick" to get these names without fight with their guard? :) - something else important I'm missing?... > to have them correct their fault asap with no > extra costs. I really need that ASAP because I want to go on kids vacations - starting 20 of March and lasting until 1 of April... And I booked the plane tickets already - in several days their price will become much higher and will be just unaffordable... And who knows how ASAP is their ASAP - what they need is to just print three Visum stickers, which they DO print in St.Petersburg AFAIK... Please write me privately to close this WAY off-topic thread... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "StaRKeY" <StaRKeY at wanadoo.nl> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world... > Hi Shamil, > > yupz, sometimes not all clercs are equally smart, this and the turmoil we > still have in our government probably caused all this frustration. On the > other hand, if you went by the rules, having layed all the cards on the > table and 'them' accepting your 'business' visa application knowing your > kids were involved makes it their fault IMO. > So, if I were you I'd use that to have them correct their fault asap with no > extra costs. You payed for a service and from the specialist clercs you were > dealing with, one of them should have pointed out that you'd needed a > tourist visa since your kids are coming along. Their mistake, you are > innocent russian applyer with not so much visa knowledge, right?:-) > > > Good luck, > Eric Starkenburg > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: zaterdag 8 maart 2003 00:13 > To: AccessD > Subject: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world... > > > Hi All, > > I'm sorry I'm writing about that here - I just went very crazy today about > what they - Western Embassies and Consulates here and their bosses in Den > Haage (Netherlands) are doing... > > Here is a fresh story: > > - I applied for business Visum (15 days of staying, one entry) several days > ago for me and my two children(15 and 17 years old) (IMPORTANT NOTE: here > in Consualate General they ACCEPTED this application for BUSINESS visum and > they checked all the docs carefully) - to make that I prepared all the > needed paperwork, get original invitation from my partner from Netherlands > (DHL, second day delivery = rather expensive), even changed the passports to > make them fresh new (some more bucks) because at first they said that the > ones I had aren't good, PAID for their "services"(not that much but should > be enough for a rather good dinner for three I think) and I started to > wait... > And BTW I spent quite some time on all that prepations and quite some > bucks in total... > > Do you know what answer I've got today? (in fact my Netherland's partner was > called from Den Haage - Ministry of Foreign Affairs) - they said I should > have applied for TOURISTIC not BUSINESS visum because I plan to go with my > kids but as I mentioned above here they CHECKED all the docs and ACCEPTED > them... > > Should I fight with them looking for truth with the risk to be written in > their "black lists" forever? > Or should I give up and accept the "rules" of their game? - there is a whole > business around them here - and one (including any kinds of criminals etc.) > can buy for money any kind of Visum and freely enter West Europe or States > or Canada... > > I wanted to make it direct and according to all the laws and I didn't want > to pay to the "shadow business around them" any extra money - and I've got > NOTHING - or I'd better say I and my partner in Netherlands got real > mockery... And they were harsh not only with me - they were that hostile > with my Netherland's partner too - how it comes? > > Shamil > > P.S. I know, probably Russian Embassies do something like that there in West > Europe - but should it justify what they are doing here these ambassadors of > "civilized" free world? > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > --- > Message is tested virus free > Virus Database (VPS): 7-3-2003 > Tested on: 8-3-2003 9:34:32 > > (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com