[AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...

Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Sat Mar 8 12:59:00 CST 2003


> if you went by the rules
Yes, Eric,

I went by the rules - their rules (this is written in my another message -
answer to Martin)

> and 'them' accepting your 'business' visa application knowing your
> kids were involved makes it their fault IMO.
Yes, they accepted that - in fact as I've written in another message in the
invitation is explicitly written that my visit is a mix of business and
tourism - this isn't possible? And in their Visum application form, pos#29
on the top: Purpose of travel
http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/download/visum/vap02.gif  - there are several
checkboxes and within them "Tourism" and "Business" - as far as I can
remember  I checked both (but I'm not sure now) - but if I checked only
one - what is the problem? - they can just call me/my partner and reask and
check both checkboxes by themselves - they can and DO correct the forms by
themselves when during application they see some problems with these
forms... - and the text of the invitation (quoted in the answer to Martin)
doesn't have any double meaning IMO - it asks for permission to visit
Shengen Zone for business AND tourism purposes...

> You payed for a service
Yes, I paid for their 'service' - about USD90 in total...

> with not so much visa knowledge, right?:-)
Yes, Eric, I don't have visa application process  knowledge - if you know
some rules could you please advise?:

- Is that my right to ask for the meeting with the Consul and ask for his
name?
- I know this is my right to ask them for the official paper where it should
be written what are the formal rules/laws, which I violated - how should I
proceed to get this official paper?
- Is that my right to ask for the names of all who paticipate in this
mockery? If yes, what is the "trick" to get these names without fight with
their guard? :)
- something else important I'm missing?...

> to have them correct their fault asap with no
> extra costs.
I really need that ASAP because I want to go on kids vacations - starting 20
of March and lasting until 1 of April...
And I booked the plane tickets already - in several days their price will
become much higher and will be just unaffordable...

And who knows how ASAP is their ASAP - what they need is to just print three
Visum stickers, which they DO print in St.Petersburg AFAIK...

Please write me privately to close this WAY off-topic thread...

Shamil


----- Original Message -----
From: "StaRKeY" <StaRKeY at wanadoo.nl>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...


> Hi Shamil,
>
> yupz, sometimes not all clercs are equally smart, this and the turmoil we
> still have in our government probably caused all this frustration. On the
> other hand, if you went by the rules, having layed all the cards on the
> table and 'them' accepting your 'business' visa application knowing your
> kids were involved makes it their fault IMO.
> So, if I were you I'd use that to have them correct their fault asap with
no
> extra costs. You payed for a service and from the specialist clercs you
were
> dealing with, one of them should have pointed out that you'd needed a
> tourist visa since your kids are coming along. Their mistake, you are
> innocent russian applyer with not so much visa knowledge, right?:-)
>
>
> Good luck,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: zaterdag 8 maart 2003 00:13
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm sorry I'm writing about that here - I just went very crazy today about
> what they - Western Embassies and Consulates here and their bosses in Den
> Haage (Netherlands) are doing...
>
> Here is a fresh story:
>
> - I applied for business Visum (15 days of staying, one entry) several
days
> ago for me and my two children(15 and 17 years old)  (IMPORTANT NOTE: here
> in Consualate General they ACCEPTED this application for BUSINESS visum
and
> they checked all the docs carefully) - to make that I prepared all the
> needed paperwork, get original invitation from my partner from Netherlands
> (DHL, second day delivery = rather expensive), even changed the passports
to
> make them fresh new (some more bucks) because at first they said that the
> ones I had aren't good, PAID for their "services"(not that much but should
> be enough for a rather good dinner for three I think) and I started to
> wait...
> And BTW I spent quite some time on all that prepations and quite some
> bucks in total...
>
> Do you know what answer I've got today? (in fact my Netherland's partner
was
> called from Den Haage - Ministry of Foreign Affairs) - they said I should
> have applied for TOURISTIC not BUSINESS visum because I plan to go with my
> kids but as I mentioned above here they CHECKED all the docs and ACCEPTED
> them...
>
> Should I fight with them looking for truth with the risk to be written in
> their "black lists" forever?
> Or should I give up and accept the "rules" of their game? - there is a
whole
> business around them here - and one (including any kinds of criminals
etc.)
> can buy for money any kind of Visum and freely enter West Europe or States
> or Canada...
>
> I wanted to make it direct and according to all the laws and I didn't want
> to pay to the "shadow business around them" any extra money - and I've got
> NOTHING - or I'd better say I and my partner in Netherlands got real
> mockery... And they were harsh not only with me - they were that hostile
> with my Netherland's partner too - how it comes?
>
> Shamil
>
> P.S. I know, probably Russian Embassies do something like that there in
West
> Europe - but should it justify what they are doing here these ambassadors
of
> "civilized" free world?
>
> --
> e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>
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