Bruce Bruen
bbruen at bigpond.com
Tue May 20 06:52:21 CDT 2003
Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse yanquies?) - we wired 200+ points in an office building several years ago using a couple of these - without removing the false ceiling. They have a great advantage over nerf balls as you can make them go around things!. Also used one to cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN the ceiling and the upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year. One sparky said "it couldn't be done" without removing the original cast plaster ceilings, another said $4500+ (for running the cable). I said "bullSh*t", and did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the cabling to the house circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and a couple of beers. The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use that plastic strapping they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a length of it - but better still is the plastic jointer strip out of quickclip flooring - you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it UP a 1/2" or less core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip it down the core in approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside on a rainy day. If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try not to kink the cable, otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard speaker cable for anything. Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a connection on cat5 whether its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the whole 4" off and start again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors. Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark, lumpy (with sharp bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport! Bruce From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines Yeah. Those work well for drop ceiling. We used to use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters though, unless you have lots of space. Most houses here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have like 3 feet of clearance or so tops. Makes it a real pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote: > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for > difficult CAT-5 cabling. > I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot > methods. > http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt m=e101-3 > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > >Frank: > > > >Thanks for the heads up. I can get CAT5 to that > room but it will cost > >$500-600 because of where it is. :( > > > >Looks like wireless for me. > > > >Rocky > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone > lines > > > > > > > > > >>I highly recommend against this. Most telephone > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*. In alot of > cases, > >>not even that good. > >> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and > >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if > you > >>get any connection at all. And if you do, it will > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to > electromagenetic > >>interferance from other devices. > >> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living. > I'd go > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring > for > >>my LAN. Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house. But > >>that's because I know how to. For most home users > >>wireless would be a perfect fit. If you're > worried > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" > off > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it > down, > >>simply. Will it stop the determined leech? Nope. > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out > >>there, because most are just looking for free > >>bandwidth. Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee > >> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Dear List(s): > >>> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we > can't > >>>reach it with CAT-5. So I've been ready to go > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the > phone > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire) > >>>instead of wireless. Apparently, there's a > device > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and > you > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for > networking. > >>> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech. Anyone > know > >>>about this? > >>> > >>>MTIA > >>> > >>>Rocky Smolin > >>>Beach Access Software > >>> > >>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>AccessD mailing list > >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>AccessD mailing list > >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >AccessD mailing list > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com