[AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software bchacc at san.rr.com
Tue May 20 09:26:16 CDT 2003


Bruce:

You've convinced me.  Wireless it is! :)

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year. One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and a couple of beers.
> 
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside on a rainy day.  
> 
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
> 
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark, lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> > difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> > I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> > 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> > 
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>      
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