Charlotte Foust
cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Wed Nov 19 12:01:18 CST 2003
It's certainly OK with me. It would be nice to know whether I need to get into a new line of work! <G> Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote True Here a code from someone at Microsoft when I asked about this stuff "We have bet the farm on XML" To be honest I hardly touched Infopath and OneNote during the entire beta process. I have noticed that all big RDBMS are now including some form of XML functionality (Oracle and DB2) and the new version of SQL Server has a lot of features. Lot of arguments on database debunkings re this sort of stuff and the move away from simple relational data tp XML. Video etc all stored within the database. Just out of interest I am goign to copy this thread to Bill Ramos see if he is willing to make a comment for the lsit on this. Is that OK with you both? Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote > I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and > think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational > about XML. So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data > model, or what? "Design a form and don't worry about the data > structure" ... Until later? I think of the nightmare designs I've > seen in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this. Just > because ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't > mean the data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote > > > Yeah XML but inside a relational database. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote > > > > Am I the only one who thinks Access is history? Heaven knows what > > they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with > > InfoPath. > > > I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much > > experience > > > trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except > > for the XML) in FileMaker! Yuck!! Relational design is apparently > > too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote > > > > > > Hi All > > > > Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager, > > Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people > > like > > us: > > > > http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108 > > > > and about the toolkit: > > > > http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297 > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate > > > to Access? > > > > > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it > > > is > > > > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy > > > toys > > > > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful > > > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications. > > > > > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build > > > apps? I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath: > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616- > > > 93 > > > aa > > > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en > > > > > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a > > > weekend set aside. > > > > > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software > > > like SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 > > > only? If > > > > > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of > > > systems. > > > > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com