Dan Waters
dwaters at usinternet.com
Fri Nov 21 16:13:27 CST 2003
Thanks Drew! I'll take a look . . . Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:10 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions... persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail. You can use it with VBA too. Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running. It has both a free and 'pro' versions. The free is pretty decent, does all of the basic email functions. Drew -----Original Message----- From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions... Charlotte, You said, 'Feel free to write your own." I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive, all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access without the 'are you sure' dialog. Do you know where I could learn enough about Extended MAPI to do just this? Thanks, Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions... This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but let me clarify something. The Redemption dll is NOT a control. It is a library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use SMTP instead. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions... The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time a big press issue. With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if it helped lessen the problem all the better. This was quick and dirty and since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could uncripple outlook for certain things. Why is it half assed? 1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used applications that hooked into outlook. Remember that Office and vba is supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions. They broke that big time. 2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites. MS has had plenty of security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale surgery on applications. The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which most successful trojans have had for years. By and large viruses/trojan in this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means of infection. 3. And this is the kicker for me. If redemption bypasses security by using extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer uses extended mapi to access the address book. Remember the majority of viruses these days are trojans not scripts. They don't use security vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick people into thinking they are from people they know. So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again. If they are going to close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading viruses? It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security? If I can bypass it with a simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the same into his newest attack. Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions... > > > On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote: > > > > > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that > turns it on. (A2K) > > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious > VBScript code from > > propogating viruses IS a big deal. Are you advising your > clients not to > > install security patches so your email code will work? > > > > > I'm with JC 100% on this one. > > The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting > machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's > not about stopiing viruses from doing anything. > > It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess > communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite > paradigm. It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has > the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing > applications. > > Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it. > (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email > programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about > it at all <VBG>) > > > > > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com