[AccessD] Project Official Start

I would also run away from this situation, if I could, but offered some
advice assuming that if the developer/s in question were gonna walk,
they already would have done so.  It already seems that they are going
to work with this client, so they should protect themselves as much as
possible.  The client's attitude must be taken into account in a
risk/reward analysis, but who has so much work right now that they can
turn down contracts?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start


You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
damned.  

IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. 
This is a HUGE red flag.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: Developer at ultradnt.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400

>Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away
>from a
>client like this?
>
>BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list.  (NYC-based independent
>contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get 
>out of it, a little networking)
>
>Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin
>date.  
>
>As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I 
>have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
>because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date 
>and
>they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system 
>...
>This is going on like this for six months,  It's boring as hell and
>keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but 
>... As
>long as they are paying, it doesn't matter.  In your case, though, 
>since
>they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock 
>stops"
>when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or 
>whatever.
>Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since 
>you
>could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
>the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of 
>this
>contract", for example).  
>
>Hth,
>Steve
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn
>Morgan
>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
>
>
>When do you say a project has started?  I have a client that has said 
>'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
>now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
>deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
>project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
>late).  I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and 
>have
>suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be 
>allowed
>to charge them for the extra time.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kind regards
>Hadyn
>
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